Ultimate Warrior Dead

[OGC]

I wonder what they'll be talking about on the show today ? (http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/pro-wrestling-legend-ultimate-warrior-dead-54/story?id=23250160)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I recall seeing him on the old World Class TV tapings when they were on ESPN when he was known as the Dingo Warrior and at one time he tagged with Sting as the Blade Runners


R.I.P. Warrior

[styckx]

Another victim of steroids. Shame but ultimately his choice despite the dangers.

Scary thing is steroids are used more now than ever. Baseball, NBA, Wrestling, Cycling, MMA, NFL. Few use it to bulk up anymore but many use it to recover faster and boost performance. This is why you have guys in MMA on TRT. Which the NSAC finally just banned. All the testing in these sports is a joke and all the guys know how to beat it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There is basically on offseason in wrestling. Back when Warrior was in his prime, the pay wasn't that good unless you were top talent, many wrestlers also turned to coke, pain killers etc.

Today there's a wellness policy and even mid card talent can make 6 figures in the WWE. I remember reading that even though they have contracts, they are still independent contractors and many still have to make their own travel etc.

There was a website, forgot which one but it broke down the salary, perks etc for some of the wrestlers. For example Cena gets 1st class travel hotel stay etc.

[sailor]

I don't know that you can necessarily attribute the death of a 54 year old to steroids. Especially after beating his body up for years.

[spoon]

It's called playing the odds.

[cougarjake13]

I don't know that you can necessarily attribute the death of a 54 year old to steroids. Especially after beating his body up for years.



If he used for years it could have done serious internal damage that took this long for him to succumb to

[sailor]

If he used for years it could have done serious internal damage that took this long for him to succumb to

Not saying it's not possible, but 54 year olds die everyday. He also retired like 16 years ago. Hardly a lock is all I'm saying.

[newport king]

Im sure once the autopsy is done his heart will be abnormally large

[Melk]

I remember Warrior running down Davey Boy Smith shortly after his death because he lived an unhealthy lifestyle. I figured Warrior was going to outlive all of us with his considerably healthier lifestyle.

[Kevin]

Not saying it's not possible, but 54 year olds die everyday. He also retired like 16 years ago. Hardly a lock is all I'm saying.
You can say it when it's an alarming trend amongst wrestlers.

[cougarjake13]

Not saying it's not possible, but 54 year olds die everyday. He also retired like 16 years ago. Hardly a lock is all I'm saying.



While thats true for most normal people in normal jobs

But if he did use steroids, I say that bc I dont know if he ever did or not but hes from that 80s hogan era where vince almost went to jail and his size then and even when we saw him mania weekend he def had the signs of a guy who used

Anyway my point is the steroids he may have used def could have lead to his heart attack

Its not like he was some 54 yr old cubicle office worker who had a heart attack through poor diet and lack of exercise or hereditary reasons

We both could be right
we both could be wrong

but theres a lil more evidence on steroid side

[cougarjake13]

Im sure once the autopsy is done his heart will be abnormally large

And that coulda been from birth or due to steroids or other drugs use

[Snoogans]

Cause of death has been released:

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[newport king]

I liked him when i was a kid. But he was a bodybuilder. Look at him from the 80s he was ripped to shit. You dont get like that naturally. He had muscles on top of muscles.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I liked him when i was a kid. But he was a bodybuilder. Look at him from the 80s he was ripped to shit. You dont get like that naturally. He had muscles on top of muscles.

What's next you gonna tell Scott steiner was a juice head too?

[spoon]

Nah, more like koko b ware is black. His macaw was also colored.

[styckx]

Warrior admitted during the Chris Benoit death he used steroids throughout his career. Nash also admitted he used them also.

[spoon]

They really didn't need to admit the obvious.

[sailor]

They really didn't need to admit the obvious.

Especially when no one was disputing he used steroids.

[styckx]

Cougarjake said he wasn't sure if Warrior ever admitted to it. Just clarifying that he did

[newport king]

What's next you gonna tell Scott steiner was a juice head too?


Big Poppa Pump is your hookup. Holla if ya hear me.

[spoon]

Holla?

[Kevin]

It will be interesting to see if the heavy roid baseball guys of the 90s and 2000s will start to suffer the same effects of roids as the WWE guys have, as they have gotten older.

[newport king]

It will be interesting to see if the heavy roid baseball guys of the 90s and 2000s will start to suffer the same effects of roids as the WWE guys have, as they have gotten older.


The wrestlers mixed in a bunch of coke and pills too

[newport king]

Holla?


Challah?

[cougarjake13]

The wrestlers mixed in a bunch of coke and pills too



Yeh its more the recreational drug use or abuse that did em in then steroids

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How about people like Foley. Didn't take steroids but I'm sure he took a ton of pain killers

[Kevin]

I'm pretty sure some coke was involved with baseball players

[newport king]

I'm pretty sure some coke was involved with baseball players


That was 70s and 80s. Steroids kicked in in the 90s

[cougarjake13]

That was 70s and 80s. Steroids kicked in in the 90s


Id say 80s esp with bash brothers in oakland

[spoon]

Yes, steroids were around a lot longer then the 90s, awareness of the public came in the 90s but they were used, a lot less for decades.

[Kevin]

Yes, steroids were around a lot longer then the 90s, awareness of the public came in the 90s but they were used, a lot less for decades.


Also, I'm sure that the 90s steroids were much for lack of a better word, safer. The 70 80s version was far less engineered and tweaked.

[sailor]

Yes, steroids were around a lot longer then the 90s, awareness of the public came in the 90s but they were used, a lot less for decades.

Yeah, rumors go at least as far back as hank Aaron.

[spoon]

Not really. They were engineered to be more effective and potentially could be worse.

[Kevin]

Yeah, rumors go at least as far back as hank Aaron.


Well, I would not be surprised if it goes as far as Mantle.

[sailor]

Well, I would not be surprised if it goes as far as Mantle.

Wouldn't be surprised at all. Just saying there are specific rumors about Aaron and his late-career power spike.

[spoon]

yah, that was something snoogans used to touch on a lot back in the day

[sailor]

Yeah, first place I read it was on here (mojo I think) and after looking it up, it does make some sense.

[spe5150]

Yeah, rumors go at least as far back as hank Aaron.
yah, that was something snoogans used to touch on a lot back in the day

According to him, they go back to Ruth. No one was clean in the history of sport.

[spoon]

Rub took his roiddogs with mustard and beer.

Sup crip!?

[Snoogans]

According to him, they go back to Ruth. No one was clean in the history of sport.

I didnt say Ruth used juice. I just said if there was something back then that someone told him woulda helped, he woulda ate it. And you all fuckin know it. So probably he did. Remember, also, that I dont give a shit about people using steroids. So its not that big a deal.
What was alot sadder for the Bambino was that he was the least clutch player in MLB history. If you hit a HR before 1927 that won the game, it only counted as far as the runs that needed to win the game. So if you were down 1 with runners on first and second and you homer, you got credited with the 2 RBI that won the game and a triple, not a home run. After they changed the rule, they retroactively added back all the HRs and Babe Ruth only got 1 homer added on. 1 walk off. WHAT A BUM.

On a serious note, though, here is the Hank Aaron (http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/02/hammerin_hank_a.html) steroids rumor and statistical analysis.
Also, there is proven use of steroids in the NFL as early as the late 50's. Thats how I know Mickey Mantle took them. They even showed it in the movie 61* when he got that shot that gave him an abscess.
And it is documented that the first uses of drugs as a performance enhancer for sport was in 100 AD when the Roman gladiators would take drugs that would help them be faster and be able to deal with more pain.

In fact, the only person who never, FOR A FACT, used PEDs was Tiger Woods, obviously. Jesus, as more time passes, it just becomes fuckin blatant. That drug testing came in and man, his game went south

[Kevin]

HOW DARE YOU SULLY THE NAME OF THE FIRST TRUE YANKEE!

It was all hot dogs, booze and whores.

[Lenny]

Big Poppa Pump is your hookup. Holla if ya hear me.

Holler!

[Kevin]

Nancy Grace said Owen died from Steroids, what a dumb, uninformed bitch

[cougarjake13]

Nancy Grace said Owen died from Steroids, what a dumb, uninformed bitch





I hate that cunt

[spoon]

I hate that cunt

who doesn't?

[spoon]

In fact, the only person who never, FOR A FACT, used PEDs was Tiger Woods, obviously. Jesus, as more time passes, it just becomes fuckin blatant. That drug testing came in and man, his game went south

confused, you think he did right?

[Kevin]

confused, you think he did right?

Yea, its obvious.

[spoon]

well if you ask me, sure

yet I was confused as Shaun's post seemed to say both as context/tone was lost in it for me

[Kevin]

Apparently Iron Sheik does not like that cunt either..

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[cougarjake13]

well if you ask me, sure

yet I was confused as Shaun's post seemed to say both as context/tone was lost in it for me



Yeh it starts off like hes saying no but the ending shows he was being sarcastic

[spe5150]

Ruth took his roiddogs with mustard and beer.
Sup crip!?

'Sup, budday?! :bye:

Nancy Grace said Owen died from Steroids, what a dumb, uninformed bitch

Here is roughly half of her list (followed by their actual causes of death):

Owen Hart - gravity
Mike Von Erich - suicide
DJ Peterson - motorcycle accident
Gary Albright - heart attack due to coronary artery blockage & complication of diabetes
Big Dick Dudley - kidney failure
Mark Curtis (referee Brian Hildebrand)- stomach & bowel cancer
Brady Boone - auto accident
Joey Marella - auto accident
Crash Holly - suicide
Chris Candido - complications of surgery to repair his broken leg, blood clot, pneumonia
Brian Pillman - undiagnosed atherosclerosis (which had also killed his father)

Now, I'm not going to pretend like Candido & Pillman never did steroids. And I won't pretend that Von Erich & Crash Holly's suicides weren't by prescription overdoses. For the love of god, though, if your staff did just a little work they cold have easily come up with a frighteningly long list of names that actually backed up your position/point.

This list is a fucking embarrassment to journalism. Then again, I guess in very wrestling kind of way, that's this clueless cunt's "gimmick."

[spoon]

Gravity...ouch.

[Kevin]

well if you ask me, sure

yet I was confused as Shaun's post seemed to say both as context/tone was lost in it for me


Asians can be hard to understand.

[jennysmurf]

Asians can be hard to understand.

:lol:

[Snoogans]

confused, you think he did right?

yes. I now think he did. Its weird cause he still pretty much looks the same, but all the injuries and all this other shit, but mostly, the confidence. The swagger is gone. Alot of the MLB guys who used said the biggest thing about it wasnt even the strength or energy, it was just the overwhelming belief you had that you were gonna do it cause you had the roids helping.

Tiger doesnt look like he believes anymore, especially in the biggest times, and that seemed to start, lookin back, right when the testing came in

[spoon]

think he'll ever admit to it?

[Snoogans]

think he'll ever admit to it?

no, he better not. He would be better off doing it again and just acting like it was the swing changes or whatever BS.
I cant imagine that the PGA is the one entity in the fuckin world that figured out how to test for shit and there is no way to beat it. Stop it.

[A.J.]

According to him, they go back to Ruth. No one was clean in the history of sport.

I didnt say Ruth used juice. I just said if there was something back then that someone told him woulda helped, he woulda ate it. And you all fuckin know it. So probably he did. Remember, also, that I dont give a shit about people using steroids. So its not that big a deal.
What was alot sadder for the Bambino was that he was the least clutch player in MLB history. If you hit a HR before 1927 that won the game, it only counted as far as the runs that needed to win the game. So if you were down 1 with runners on first and second and you homer, you got credited with the 2 RBI that won the game and a triple, not a home run. After they changed the rule, they retroactively added back all the HRs and Babe Ruth only got 1 homer added on. 1 walk off. WHAT A BUM.

On a serious note, though, here is the Hank Aaron (http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/02/hammerin_hank_a.html) steroids rumor and statistical analysis.
Also, there is proven use of steroids in the NFL as early as the late 50's. Thats how I know Mickey Mantle took them. They even showed it in the movie 61* when he got that shot that gave him an abscess.
And it is documented that the first uses of drugs as a performance enhancer for sport was in 100 AD when the Roman gladiators would take drugs that would help them be faster and be able to deal with more pain.

In fact, the only person who never, FOR A FACT, used PEDs was Tiger Woods, obviously. Jesus, as more time passes, it just becomes fuckin blatant. That drug testing came in and man, his game went south

HOW DARE YOU SULLY THE NAME OF THE FIRST TRUE YANKEE!

It was all hot dogs, booze and whores.

The only thing Ruth injected into his body was probably penicillin to ward off the clap.

[spoon]

no, he better not. He would be better off doing it again and just acting like it was the swing changes or whatever BS.
I cant imagine that the PGA is the one entity in the fuckin world that figured out how to test for shit and there is no way to beat it. Stop it.

stop what?

[A.J.]

yes. I now think he did. Its weird cause he still pretty much looks the same, but all the injuries and all this other shit, but mostly, the confidence. The swagger is gone. Alot of the MLB guys who used said the biggest thing about it wasnt even the strength or energy, it was just the overwhelming belief you had that you were gonna do it cause you had the roids helping.

Tiger doesnt look like he believes anymore, especially in the biggest times, and that seemed to start, lookin back, right when the testing came in

His "body breakdown" looks suspiciously like Nomar's toward the end of his career.

I remember when Tiger first came on the scene all the media noted how he was the fittest, strongest golfer we had seen and that he worked out like a maniac which was why he drove the ball with such power.

Guess John Daly was Babe Ruth-like after all in his approach to golf.

[Snoogans]

stop what?

like to the thought that he had to actually stop taking them cause of the mighty PGA

[spoon]

i worked out once in 1999

[Snoogans]

His "body breakdown" looks suspiciously like Nomar's toward the end of his career.

I remember when Tiger first came on the scene all the media noted how he was the fittest, strongest golfer we had seen and that he worked out like a maniac which was why he drove the ball with such power.

Guess John Daly was Babe Ruth-like after all in his approach to golf.

and his complete lack of clutch ability

the thing is, i noticed alot of the body breakdowns come when guys stop talking the shit, either after they made it or testing came in or for whatever reason they just didnt think it worth it anymore. He should just keep doing them. Then his body should be ok. I think he is doing them now though.
I cant see any other reason that he wouldnt wait a week and at least try to see if he can get through the masters. He was hittin alright last tourney before he pulled a muscle. Instead he blows it off to have back surgery for a pinched nerve? I have had pinched nerves in my neck and back. If they were bad enough to last more than a day or 2, then you wouldnt be able to swing a golf club at all. So it cant have been that crazy bad. I think he is taking the time off to rejuice when he cant be tested (maybe? Do they do out of comp testing? I have no idea what PGA drug policies are)

[spoon]

no way does he willingly miss a major without it being absolutely needed

[LeedsJr]

stop what?

STOP! HAMMER TIME!

[jennysmurf]

STOP! HAMMER TIME!

Go home, Leeds, you're drunk.

[spoon]

Go home, Leeds, you're drunk.

as if THAT would help!!

and a drunk leeds means the world is in a good place

[LeedsJr]

Go home, Leeds, you're drunk.

Don't make me a bad person.

[jennysmurf]

Don't make me a bad person.

Give me your keys, I'm calling you a cab.

[spoon]

Give me your keys, I'm calling you a cab.

nahhhhhh

he can handle it, he's a pro :drunk:

[jennysmurf]

nahhhhhh

he can handle it, he's a pro :drunk:

But can he maintain? I'm not sure, he's being very silly.

[spoon]

he's already asleep at a traffic light in true Tony LaRussa fashion

[Kevin]

Speaking of Steroids..

Guess who just signed with the WWE to become a wrestler!

http://media.philly.com/images/040914_shawne-merriman_600.jpg

LIGHTS OUT!

[spoon]

Yuck

[cougarjake13]

Speaking of Steroids..

Guess who just signed with the WWE to become a wrestler!

http://media.philly.com/images/040914_shawne-merriman_600.jpg

LIGHTS OUT!



Only if his gimmick is to come out dressed like the chargers lightning bolt mascot

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Quoting Ari Gold


"The More the Merriman"