Your current top 15 QB's in the NFL?

[Snacks]

What is your current list of the top 15 QB's in the NFL? Not fantasy QB, not SB winning or HoF worthy etc but list in order based on current talent, age, what you think they will do this year etc.

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Peyton Manning
3. Tom Brady
4. Phillip Rivers
5. Drew Brees
6. Michael Vick
7. Tony Romo
8. Ben Roethislberger
9. Matt Schaub
10. Matt Ryan
11. Joe Flacco
12. Josh Freeman
13. Matt Cassel
14. Sam Bradford
15. Eli Manning


I was deciding between Cutler and Eli at 15. I actually like Cutler better and they both have lead the league in ints at 1 time but I decided to keep Eli on the list based on yards and talent around him. Even if he throws a ton pf picks again he should have 4000 yards and 25 tds at least. Freeman, Cassel and Bradford all should have better years this year which will only raise their ranking!

[Sue_Bender]

What is your current list of the top 15 QB's in the NFL? Not fantasy QB, not SB winning or HoF worthy etc but list in order based on current talent, age, what you think they will do this year etc.

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Peyton Manning
3. Tom Brady
4. Phillip Rivers
5. Drew Brees
6. Michael Vick
7. Tony Romo
8. Ben Roethislberger
9. Matt Schaub
10. Matt Ryan
11. Joe Flacco
12. Josh Freeman
13. Matt Cassel
14. Sam Bradford
15. Eli Manning


I was deciding between Cutler and Eli at 15. I actually like Cutler better and they both have lead the league in ints at 1 time but I decided to keep Eli on the list based on yards and talent around him. Even if he throws a ton pf picks again he should have 4000 yards and 25 tds at least. Freeman, Cassel and Bradford all should have better years this year which will only raise their ranking!

Yes!

[A.J.]

Rex Grossman. He promised the NFC East!

[Snoogans]

What is your current list of the top 15 QB's in the NFL? Not fantasy QB, not SB winning or HoF worthy etc but list in order based on current talent, age, what you think they will do this year etc.

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Peyton Manning
3. Tom Brady
4. Phillip Rivers
5. Drew Brees
6. Michael Vick
7. Tony Romo
8. Ben Roethislberger
9. Matt Schaub
10. Matt Ryan
11. Joe Flacco
12. Josh Freeman
13. Matt Cassel
14. Sam Bradford
15. Eli Manning


I was deciding between Cutler and Eli at 15. I actually like Cutler better and they both have lead the league in ints at 1 time but I decided to keep Eli on the list based on yards and talent around him. Even if he throws a ton pf picks again he should have 4000 yards and 25 tds at least. Freeman, Cassel and Bradford all should have better years this year which will only raise their ranking!
dude, whether you hate Eli or not, you are FUCKIN INSANE. Eli led the league in yards and almost did in TDs, and has won a SB and led quite the many 4th quarter comebacks and 2 minute drills.

Im not sittin here sayin he is top fuckin 5, but he aint fuckin 15th. You are fuckin stupid, honestly, if you think matt cassel, bradford already, freeman already, and TONY ROMO who cant win a fuckin big game to save his goddamn life. Let me fix that top 15 for you:
1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Michael Vick
7. Phillip Rivers
8. Eli Manning
9. Matt Schaub
10. Matt Ryan
11. Joe Flacco
12. Josh Freeman
13. Kyle Orton
14. David Garrard
15. and only cause the rest are such shit, im at a loss whether to put Bradford or Sanchez at 15. Regardless thats alot closer to what it should be

And before you wanna bitch that eli had more INTs or a worse rating than some of the guys behind him last year, so did fuckin drew brees. Brees threw 22 picks last year, and no one will argue him in the top 5.

And bradford wasnt that good last year.

[TripleSkeet]

dude, whether you hate Eli or not, you are FUCKIN INSANE. Eli led the league in yards and almost did in TDs, and has won a SB and led quite the many 4th quarter comebacks and 2 minute drills.

Im not sittin here sayin he is top fuckin 5, but he aint fuckin 15th. You are fuckin stupid, honestly, if you think matt cassel, bradford already, freeman already, and TONY ROMO who cant win a fuckin big game to save his goddamn life. Let me fix that top 15 for you:
1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Michael Vick
7. Phillip Rivers
8. Eli Manning
9. Matt Schaub
10. Matt Ryan
11. Joe Flacco
12. Josh Freeman
13. Kyle Orton
14. David Garrard
15. and only cause the rest are such shit, im at a loss whether to put Bradford or Sanchez at 15. Regardless thats alot closer to what it should be

And before you wanna bitch that eli had more INTs or a worse rating than some of the guys behind him last year, so did fuckin drew brees. Brees threw 22 picks last year, and no one will argue him in the top 5.

And bradford wasnt that good last year.

I think he was talking about rating how they would do this year. Personally I would rank Peyton lower as he doesnt have the talent hes used to around him and last year didnt have too great a season. (By lower I mean 3 or 4, not 10)

[Snoogans]

I think he was talking about rating how they would do this year. Personally I would rank Peyton lower as he doesnt have the talent hes used to around him and last year didnt have too great a season. (By lower I mean 3 or 4, not 10)

i disagree. he will have clark back, he will have wayne there. All the guys who got hurt last year will be back. Remember he was down to fuckin scraps by like week 7 last year. Now he has his weapons back and has made a couple new weapons. I look for him to bounce back big if his neck isnt too fucked up.

[TripleSkeet]

i disagree. he will have clark back, he will have wayne there. All the guys who got hurt last year will be back. Remember he was down to fuckin scraps by like week 7 last year. Now he has his weapons back and has made a couple new weapons. I look for him to bounce back big if his neck isnt too fucked up.

Those guys are getting old. And he hasnt had alot of time to work on timing with his new guys. Im not sure.

[Snoogans]

Those guys are getting old. And he hasnt had alot of time to work on timing with his new guys. Im not sure.

he worked on timing for like 10 games with collie and that french sissy and all his backup TEs. After week 8, they didnt have any old guys left who werent injured. I think you are completely off on this. Go back and check the stats from last year and look at just how much he threw to the young guys

[CountryBob]

I didnt see Donovan McNabb on anyones list :nono:

haha - kidding!

[foodcourtdruide]

dude, whether you hate Eli or not, you are FUCKIN INSANE. Eli led the league in yards and almost did in TDs, and has won a SB and led quite the many 4th quarter comebacks and 2 minute drills.

Im not sittin here sayin he is top fuckin 5, but he aint fuckin 15th. You are fuckin stupid, honestly, if you think matt cassel, bradford already, freeman already, and TONY ROMO who cant win a fuckin big game to save his goddamn life. Let me fix that top 15 for you:
1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Michael Vick
7. Phillip Rivers
8. Eli Manning
9. Matt Schaub
10. Matt Ryan
11. Joe Flacco
12. Josh Freeman
13. Kyle Orton
14. David Garrard
15. and only cause the rest are such shit, im at a loss whether to put Bradford or Sanchez at 15. Regardless thats alot closer to what it should be

And before you wanna bitch that eli had more INTs or a worse rating than some of the guys behind him last year, so did fuckin drew brees. Brees threw 22 picks last year, and no one will argue him in the top 5.

And bradford wasnt that good last year.

I agree, Snacks had Eli way too low. My list would look like this:

1. Peyton Manning / I'm a Manning mark so I'll put him above Brady, but I think they are the clear 1 and 2, either order is fine with me. What Manning did last year with the Colts was absolutely amazing. That was a 5 win team after all their injuries. They literally had no running back for most of the season. I think Rodgers is really great, but he needs to do it a little longer to claim the #1 position for me.
2. Tom Brady
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Phillip Rivers
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Michael Vick / Vick below Rivers because of his injury history, which I think should factor in to lists like these.
8. Eli Manning / actually Schaub/Eli/Ryan are pretty much tied with me, but if I had to choose this is the order I'd put them in.
9. Matt Schaub
10. Matt Ryan
11. Tony Romo
12. Kyle Orton
13. Joe Flacco / If Flacco was the QB for the 2010 Indianapolis Colts they would have gone 3 - 13. He needs great offensive players around him, he's not a great QB, but is good enough to be part of a great team.
14. Josh Freeman
15. David Garrard/Bradford/Sanchez/Cassel, I agree this is really where everyone is pretty interchangable or too young to judge. Sanchez has been OK overall, with some pretty good moments (also some dreadful one). He's still young though and has honestly been better than I ever thought he would.

[CountryBob]

Who's the worst?

[Rhah]

Who's the worst?

Tebow?

[Earlshog]

Tebow?

hes not a starter...

Tavris Jackson has to be up there... or down there...

[Snoogans]

worst is tough cause when i think worst QB, it has to be a guy who starts. So in my opinion right now, the worst guy who looks like he will start this year is probably Chad Henne. Incase he doesnt win the job, i guess ill go with Hasselback cause he never stays on the fuckin field and is old and finished

[CountryBob]

John Beck or Rex Grossman - who ever will be starting for my Skins has my vote for worst!

[Earlshog]

worst is tough cause when i think worst QB, it has to be a guy who starts. So in my opinion right now, the worst guy who looks like he will start this year is probably Chad Henne. Incase he doesnt win the job, i guess ill go with Hasselback cause he never stays on the fuckin field and is old and finished

Henne has a least shown a few flashes and is young.

How about Alex Smith or Dante Culpeper.

[Earlshog]

John Beck or Rex Grossman - who ever will be starting for my Skins has my vote for worst!

strong contenders

[Snoogans]

Henne has a least shown a few flashes and is young.

How about Alex Smith or Dante Culpeper.

yea alex smith i cant believe i forgot him. by week 10 Kapernick will be starting

does culpepper start? is he even signed

[razorboy]

yea alex smith i cant believe i forgot him. by week 10 Kapernick will be starting

does culpepper start? is he even signed

Not yet, but the 49ers did bring him in for a workout.

[Earlshog]

Not yet, but the 49ers did bring him in for a workout.

Yeah we will see. He threw 10 touchdowns and 12 interceptions in the United Football League last year.

[TripleSkeet]

I love that McNabbs not on any lists. It seems like just last year people were saying how crazy the Eagles were to trade him to an in division opponent. How he was gonna help the Skins win the division....oh....wait...

[Snacks]

dude, whether you hate Eli or not, you are FUCKIN INSANE. Eli led the league in yards and almost did in TDs, and has won a SB and led quite the many 4th quarter comebacks and 2 minute drills.

Im not sittin here sayin he is top fuckin 5, but he aint fuckin 15th. You are fuckin stupid, honestly, if you think matt cassel, bradford already, freeman already, and TONY ROMO who cant win a fuckin big game to save his goddamn life. Let me fix that top 15 for you:
1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Michael Vick
7. Phillip Rivers
8. Eli Manning
9. Matt Schaub
10. Matt Ryan
11. Joe Flacco
12. Josh Freeman
13. Kyle Orton
14. David Garrard
15. and only cause the rest are such shit, im at a loss whether to put Bradford or Sanchez at 15. Regardless thats alot closer to what it should be

And before you wanna bitch that eli had more INTs or a worse rating than some of the guys behind him last year, so did fuckin drew brees. Brees threw 22 picks last year, and no one will argue him in the top 5.

And bradford wasnt that good last year.

Im fucking stupid but you have Eli ahead of Schaub and Ryan and you have Garrard in the top 15 and put Sanchez at 15 with his 55% completion, 3200 yards 17 tds and 75 qb rating? lol thats funny. Now Orton I agree with should have put him at 12 or 13 and moved everyone down 1! Oh and your hate for Romo leaves him off the list!

[JiggleEye Jooh]

2 words - JON BECK:smoke:

[Snacks]

I love that McNabbs not on any lists. It seems like just last year people were saying how crazy the Eagles were to trade him to an in division opponent. How he was gonna help the Skins win the division....oh....wait...

he had such a terrible year last year and is on a team that lost a lot of its talent you have to think he wont do much. But I wouldnt be surprised if Mcnabb shocked everyone and had a great year. If he goes 3200 yards passing 24 tds 12 ints with 4 rushing tds it would be a really good come back year.

[foodcourtdruide]

Im fucking stupid but you have Eli ahead of Schaub and Ryan and you have Garrard in the top 15 and put Sanchez at 15 with his 55% completion, 3200 yards 17 tds and 75 qb rating? lol thats funny. Now Orton I agree with should have put him at 12 or 13 and moved everyone down 1! Oh and your hate for Romo leaves him off the list!

I think Ryan/Schaub/E. Manning have similar value. Of all 3, last season Manning had the worst year, but he clearly had the worst supporting cast.

I agree, Romo needs to be on that list. 7 may be too high, but if you're starting a team and you take David Garrard over Tony Romo, you're insane.

[disneyspy]

I love that McNabbs not on any lists. It seems like just last year people were saying how crazy the Eagles were to trade him to an in division opponent. How he was gonna help the Skins win the division....oh....wait...

i never said the skins would win the division just that they'd be better than kolb's eagles

it turned out so retarded that i aint sayin shit this year

mother fuckin micheal vick

[foodcourtdruide]

Henne has a least shown a few flashes and is young.

How about Alex Smith or Dante Culpeper.

I didn't even realize Dante Culpepper was still in the league!

[foodcourtdruide]

he had such a terrible year last year and is on a team that lost a lot of its talent you have to think he wont do much. But I wouldnt be surprised if Mcnabb shocked everyone and had a great year. If he goes 3200 yards passing 24 tds 12 ints with 4 rushing tds it would be a really good come back year.

I would be completely shocked if that happened. McNabb looked half dead last year. I'm actually kind of shocked he didn't retire.

[brettmojo]

What is your current list of the top 15 QB's in the NFL? Not fantasy QB, not SB winning or HoF worthy etc but list in order based on current talent, age, what you think they will do this year etc.

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Peyton Manning
3. Tom Brady
4. Phillip Rivers
5. Drew Brees
6. Michael Vick
7. Tony Romo
8. Ben Roethislberger
9. Matt Schaub
10. Matt Ryan
11. Joe Flacco
12. Josh Freeman
13. Matt Cassel
14. Sam Bradford
15. Eli Manning


I was deciding between Cutler and Eli at 15. I actually like Cutler better and they both have lead the league in ints at 1 time but I decided to keep Eli on the list based on yards and talent around him. Even if he throws a ton pf picks again he should have 4000 yards and 25 tds at least. Freeman, Cassel and Bradford all should have better years this year which will only raise their ranking!
Eli in the top 10. 8 or 9. Romo right at 15.

[Earlshog]

I didn't even realize Dante Culpepper was still in the league!

hes not as of now... The 9ers had him for a tryout Monday....

[Snacks]

You all do know that when Romo got hurt last year he was close to the top in every QB. He was 69% completion, on pace for 4000 + yards and 28 tds!

His #s are better then Eli's all around.

in 61 starts Romo has a record of 39-22, 64% comp, 16,650 yards, 118 tds and 62 ints.
in 103 starts Eli has a record of 60-43, 58% comp, 22,646 yards, 156 tds, and 113 ints

Romo's #s kill Eli is every category with less games. The only thing Eli has over Romo is he is a year younger and started in his career younger so overall career he should have overall better #s. But then again you never know Romo seems to be catching him while playing in less games!

1 was drafter #1 overall and 1 was a free agent unsigned pick up! Who would you rather have? And the question was, ranking for this year going forward? So take into account past but also future.

[foodcourtdruide]

You all do know that when Romo got hurt last year he was close to the top in every QB. He was 69% completion, on pace for 4000 + yards and 28 tds!

His #s are better then Eli's all around.

in 61 starts Romo has a record of 39-22, 64% comp, 16,650 yards, 118 tds and 62 ints.
in 103 starts Eli has a record of 60-43, 58% comp, 22,646 yards, 156 tds, and 113 ints

Romo's #s kill Eli is every category with less games. The only thing Eli has over Romo is he is a year younger and started in his career younger so overall career he should have overall better #s. But then again you never know Romo seems to be catching him while playing in less games!

1 was drafter #1 overall and 1 was a free agent unsigned pick up! Who would you rather have? And the question was, ranking for this year going forward? So take into account past but also future.

Romo just came off an injury where he missed almost an entire season. There's no guarentee that he'll return at the level he was before his injury, which makes him slip down the list.

If for example, Albert Pujols missed 65% of next season, don't you think he'd be ranked lower at the beginning of 2013, regardless of his 2012 stats?

[brettmojo]

You all do know that when Romo got hurt last year he was close to the top in every QB. He was 69% completion, on pace for 4000 + yards and 28 tds!

His #s are better then Eli's all around.

in 61 starts Romo has a record of 39-22, 64% comp, 16,650 yards, 118 tds and 62 ints.
in 103 starts Eli has a record of 60-43, 58% comp, 22,646 yards, 156 tds, and 113 ints

Romo's #s kill Eli is every category with less games. The only thing Eli has over Romo is he is a year younger and started in his career younger so overall career he should have overall better #s. But then again you never know Romo seems to be catching him while playing in less games!

1 was drafter #1 overall and 1 was a free agent unsigned pick up! Who would you rather have? And the question was, ranking for this year going forward? So take into account past but also future.
Eli beat the undefeated Patriots in a Superbowl.

Romo has won ONE playoff game.

Now I'd still have Romo with Jason Garrett in charge now especially. But at this moment Eli Pile has showed championship chops while Romo has not... And this is from a Cowboy's fan.

[foodcourtdruide]

Eli beat the undefeated Patriots in a Superbowl.

Romo has won ONE playoff game.

Now I'd still have Romo with Jason Garrett in charge now especially. But at this moment Eli Pile has showed championship chops while Romo has not... And this is from a Cowboy's fan.

Eh, I think this argument is like basing a pitchers performance on their number of wins. Romo didn't play those games alone, and neither did Eli.

Is Vince Young a good QB because of his record? Is Roethlisburger a better QB than P. Manning because of # of rings?

[brettmojo]

Eh, I think this argument is like basing a pitchers performance on their number of wins...

It's not.

[Snacks]

Eli beat the undefeated Patriots in a Superbowl.

Romo has won ONE playoff game.

Now I'd still have Romo with Jason Garrett in charge now especially. But at this moment Eli Pile has showed championship chops while Romo has not... And this is from a Cowboy's fan.

Eli didnt beat anyone the team won the Super Bowl and if you really want to give the win to someone give it to their Def. The Def stopped the #1 offensive team ever in that game and held them to 14 points after avg almost 40 points per game!

[Judge Smails]

Eli is just as good as Brady.


He said so himself.

[cougarjake13]

Eli didnt beat anyone the team won the Super Bowl and if you really want to give the win to someone give it to their Def. The Def stopped the #1 offensive team ever in that game and held them to 14 points after avg almost 40 points per game!

are you fucking crazy ? well of course you are


yes the defense deserves tons of credit for keeping them in the game but eli most certainly won the fucking game on that final drive

to say otherwise is stupid

[Snacks]

are you fucking crazy ? well of course you are


yes the defense deserves tons of credit for keeping them in the game but eli most certainly won the fucking game on that final drive

to say otherwise is stupid

to say eli won the game is fucking stupid. he had his moments but without an unbelievable catch the game is over. That was a great play all around from Eli getting away from the sack to just throwing it up and hoping someone catches it to Tyre actually making the play of the game! The defense played 4 great quarters and deserves the majority of credit for that win. They held the best offense ever in the history of the NFL to 14 points, thats 2 scores. Did Eli have anything to do with that?

[Snoogans]

Im fucking stupid but you have Eli ahead of Schaub and Ryan and you have Garrard in the top 15 and put Sanchez at 15 with his 55% completion, 3200 yards 17 tds and 75 qb rating? lol thats funny. Now Orton I agree with should have put him at 12 or 13 and moved everyone down 1! Oh and your hate for Romo leaves him off the list!

i put guys in there who have proven they can win games as opposed to guys who are too young.

And i dont hate romo. i actually love romo cause as long as he is in dallas, he will CHOKE in big games. And everyone knows he does it, so dont try to spin that shit.

Also, Schaub should be behind eli. What the fuck has schaub ever done except put up good stats for 3 quarters and then shit the bed in the 4th against ANY team thats as good as his? You cant look at stats completely, you have to also look at a guys ability to win games. And Schaub has done nothing but prove he cant consistantly win games. Ryan is in his like 3rd or 4th year. You would be an asshole to put him ahead of Eli with the fact that eli has accomplished quite a bit more and has put up better stats.

[Snoogans]

Eli beat the undefeated Patriots in a Superbowl.

Romo has won ONE playoff game.

Now I'd still have Romo with Jason Garrett in charge now especially. But at this moment Eli Pile has showed championship chops while Romo has not... And this is from a Cowboy's fan.

lets also remember that 07 was romos BEST statistical season. How did 07 end for romo? OH HE LOST AT HOME IN THE FIRST PLAYOFF GAME VS ELI FUCKIN MANNING. So just stop it snacks. Romo is a fuckin BUM when it matters

the only reason you love romo so much is he puts up great numbers without winning, just like Schaub. You see a little marino in those guys and thats why you over rate them. Romo isnt a winner. Never has shown he is. Same with schaub.

[Snoogans]

Eh, I think this argument is like basing a pitchers performance on their number of wins. Romo didn't play those games alone, and neither did Eli.

Is Vince Young a good QB because of his record? Is Roethlisburger a better QB than P. Manning because of # of rings?

terrible comparison. You go back and watch romo in those big games in december and the playoffs. Does everyone forget the guy has been universally killed for failing in important games? Dont you remember all the big times where romo throws the ball right to defenders? You can blame the team for some stuff, but you also gotta look at what romo does in those spots, and it has not been good

[Snoogans]

Eli didnt beat anyone the team won the Super Bowl and if you really want to give the win to someone give it to their Def. The Def stopped the #1 offensive team ever in that game and held them to 14 points after avg almost 40 points per game!

yea ok. how bout how eli went up to Green bay in the NFC champ game and pissed on teh packers. He had a fuckin great game and out dueled favre. He also went INTO DALLAS and outplayed tony romo. You are aware the giants played 3 fuckin games before that SB, and the goddamn defense didnt do everything?

[epo]

to say eli won the game is fucking stupid. he had his moments but without an unbelievable catch the game is over. That was a great play all around from Eli getting away from the sack to just throwing it up and hoping someone catches it to Tyre actually making the play of the game! The defense played 4 great quarters and deserves the majority of credit for that win. They held the best offense ever in the history of the NFL to 14 points, thats 2 scores. Did Eli have anything to do with that?

I've gotta admit that I don't like Eli at all, but I'll take him everyday of the week before I take Tony Romo.

[Snoogans]

I've gotta admit that I don't like Eli at all, but I'll take him everyday of the week before I take Tony Romo.

and as a packers fan epo, enlighten snacks to the fact that the giants and pats didnt go right from week 17 to the SB. explain to him that there was other games in which eli played exceptional football

[epo]

and as a packers fan epo, enlighten snacks to the fact that the giants and pats didnt go right from week 17 to the SB. explain to him that there was other games in which eli played exceptional football

Yea...there was this game on the frozen tundra. Eli looked like a young buck, Favre looked like an old doofus who didn't wanna send photos of his junk because he was too cold.

[Snacks]

i put guys in there who have proven they can win games as opposed to guys who are too young.

And i dont hate romo. i actually love romo cause as long as he is in dallas, he will CHOKE in big games. And everyone knows he does it, so dont try to spin that shit.

Also, Schaub should be behind eli. What the fuck has schaub ever done except put up good stats for 3 quarters and then shit the bed in the 4th against ANY team thats as good as his? You cant look at stats completely, you have to also look at a guys ability to win games. And Schaub has done nothing but prove he cant consistantly win games. Ryan is in his like 3rd or 4th year. You would be an asshole to put him ahead of Eli with the fact that eli has accomplished quite a bit more and has put up better stats.

who had the biggest choke ever? Eli and the NYG last year against the eagles.

And Once again this isnt about who has won shit or the past this is about who do you think is the best QB NOW!

I hate to use ESPN for my argument but all day he has been discussed behind all of them and they have him ranked 12th.

[Snoogans]

who had the biggest choke ever? Eli and the NYG last year against the eagles.

And Once again this isnt about who has won shit or the past this is about who do you think is the best QB NOW!

I hate to use ESPN for my argument but all day he has been discussed behind all of them and they have him ranked 12th.

actually dickhead im gonna say warren moon and the oilers in like 93 had the biggest choke ever. Im starting to believe you dont even watch football. And eli put up 30+ points in that game vs philly. What the fuck is he supposed to do score fuckin 55 points? You can give the defense ALL the credit for the SB (depsite eli being 19-34 for 252 yards and 2 TDs) but you give them NONE of the blame for blowing a 17 point lead?

Are you fuckin serious?

[Snacks]

lets also remember that 07 was romos BEST statistical season. How did 07 end for romo? OH HE LOST AT HOME IN THE FIRST PLAYOFF GAME VS ELI FUCKIN MANNING. So just stop it snacks. Romo is a fuckin BUM when it matters

the only reason you love romo so much is he puts up great numbers without winning, just like Schaub. You see a little marino in those guys and thats why you over rate them. Romo isnt a winner. Never has shown he is. Same with schaub.

Actaully Marino did win he is 1 of the winning-est QBs ever. He just didnt win the big game even though he took his team to the SB 1 time. Winning a SB isnt just about the QB its about the team and coaching. Fuck the Giants are proof of that. Hos won a ring Im guessing he was a good no great qb now? Please there is so much proof that its more about Teams then just QB winning a SB. Look at all the great who never won and look at shit bags like Eli, Hos, Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Mark Rypen, Doug Williams of the world.

Snoogans just fucking stop you are such a homer. Unless people agree with you they are fucking idiots. Maybe you need to calm down a bit and stop looking though big blue glasses. The guy has lead the league in ints twice already. Is he good yes, is he a HoF? Fuck no not even close. Will he be? Maybe if he plays 10 more years and it doesnt hurt to have the manning last name!

[Snacks]

yea ok. how bout how eli went up to Green bay in the NFC champ game and pissed on teh packers. He had a fuckin great game and out dueled favre. He also went INTO DALLAS and outplayed tony romo. You are aware the giants played 3 fuckin games before that SB, and the goddamn defense didnt do everything?

Once again that wasnt the super bowl you fucking moron. So no the super bowl is what was being discussed. STOP trying to make your argument using things that arent part of the argument. He had a great playoff run yes he did. But the NYG def won that SB more so then Eli and his 2 plays.

[Snacks]

actually dickhead im gonna say warren moon and the oilers in like 93 had the biggest choke ever. Im starting to believe you dont even watch football. And eli put up 30+ points in that game vs philly. What the fuck is he supposed to do score fuckin 55 points? You can give the defense ALL the credit for the SB (depsite eli being 19-34 for 252 yards and 2 TDs) but you give them NONE of the blame for blowing a 17 point lead?

Are you fuckin serious?

No team has ever lost being up by 21 points in the 4th q with less then 10 mins to play. So sorry your team choked, your defense choked your QB choked your punter choked. Your team gave up 4 TDs in less then 8 min. Yes I do watch football just because I dont try to find every choke ever I just got to the worst choke and point out the truth.

If Eli gets 1 more 1st down anytime in the 4th q that game is over! Great job!

[Snoogans]

Actaully Marino did win he is 1 of the winning-est QBs ever. He just didnt win the big game even though he took his team to the SB 1 time. Winning a SB isnt just about the QB its about the team and coaching. Fuck the Giants are proof of that. Hos won a ring Im guessing he was a good no great qb now? Please there is so much proof that its more about Teams then just QB winning a SB. Look at all the great who never won and look at shit bags like Eli, Hos, Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Mark Rypen, Doug Williams of the world.

Snoogans just fucking stop you are such a homer. Unless people agree with you they are fucking idiots. Maybe you need to calm down a bit and stop looking though big blue glasses. The guy has lead the league in ints twice already. Is he good yes, is he a HoF? Fuck no not even close. Will he be? Maybe if he plays 10 more years and it doesnt hurt to have the manning last name!

how am i a homer for putting my QB as 9th? I even put him behind a guy who had 1 good passing season, was in prison, and plays for my most hated rival. How the fuck is that being a homer?

You just cant handle me tellin you you are wrong all the time. Try being right then. I never said anything about eli is there cause he won the SB. I said winning games. I also said those 2 guys had a LITTLE marino in them. I did that for a reason. because obviously NEITHER IS AS FUCKIN GOOD AS MARINO. Just cause marino was great without winning SBs doesnt make you right about tony romo. I just said thats why you like them. Way to be like your boy tenbatz and try to twist shit to fit your arguement though. Gold star

[Snacks]

The funny thing about this entire thread is you (snoogans) are the only 1 bitching or created a argument because your teams QB is being disrespected by someone who is only giving their opinion. Thats all this is, its an opinion thread but you still have never grown up enough to take someones opinion, say you disagree and state yours and move on. No you continue to act like the child you are and try to talk down to people or call them stupid or uninformed because they see something different then you. Grow the fuck up and take peoples opinion for just that what they think even if you dont agree with it people are allowed to have a different one then you!

You make everything so fucking personal and then try to turn everything into an argument when its not what you agree with. Discussions have differences of opinions!

[Snoogans]

Once again that wasnt the super bowl you fucking moron. So no the super bowl is what was being discussed. STOP trying to make your argument using things that arent part of the argument. He had a great playoff run yes he did. But the NYG def won that SB more so then Eli and his 2 plays.
When did i say i put eli there cause he won the SB? YOU BROUGHT UP THE SUPERBOWL TO KNOCK HIM YOU DOPE. I NEVER BROUGHT IT UP TIL I WAS RESPONDING TO YOU. Good one though



No team has ever lost being up by 21 points in the 4th q with less then 10 mins to play. So sorry your team choked, your defense choked your QB choked your punter choked. Your team gave up 4 TDs in less then 8 min. Yes I do watch football just because I dont try to find every choke ever I just got to the worst choke and point out the truth.

If Eli gets 1 more 1st down anytime in the 4th q that game is over! Great job!

And if the defense makes 1 more tackle they win. But yet, you are putting it all on eli. But then you give eli nothing for the SB. That was all the defense. You cant have it both ways. This is why you are the fuckin laughing stock of this board. You call me a homer, look at the tags to this fuckin thread. You are so wrong all the time about this shit, and everyone disagrees with you on most stuff and you still say we are retarded. Look in a fuckin mirror you dipshit. Now you know why i stopped talkin to you on the phone. Cause you treat everyone like they are beneath you when you are the fuckin one being a dope

And regardless, im still gonna say blowing a 35-3 lead at halftime in a playoff game is a bigger choke then ANY TEAM EVER COULD MAKE IN A REGULAR SEASON GAME. Thats why people watch games, not just read numbers.

[Snoogans]

The funny thing about this entire thread is you (snoogans) are the only 1 bitching or created a argument because your teams QB is being disrespected by someone who is only giving their opinion. Thats all this is, its an opinion thread but you still have never grown up enough to take someones opinion, say you disagree and state yours and move on. No you continue to act like the child you are and try to talk down to people or call them stupid or uninformed because they see something different then you. Grow the fuck up and take peoples opinion for just that what they think even if you dont agree with it people are allowed to have a different one then you!

You make everything so fucking personal and then try to turn everything into an argument when its not what you agree with. Discussions have differences of opinions!

actually the funny thing is all i did was change HALF YOUR FUCKIN LIST. and i argued you on a few guys you had to high. We can debate them all if you want. Im responding to what you guys have said. I didnt start shit. I made one post with my list, then i went to work. Then i came home and responded to what was here. thats how this works

and yea, they have differences of opinions. But you use your opinions to skew actual facts. Thats why you are wrong. You dont have opinions, you say your opinions, then use INCORRECT STATEMENTS AND WHAT YOU PERCEIVE AS FACTS TO BACK IT UP. regardless if its opinion, that method makes you wrong

[Kevin]

Actaully Marino did win he is 1 of the winning-est QBs ever. He just didnt win the big game even though he took his team to the SB 1 time. Winning a SB isnt just about the QB its about the team and coaching. Fuck the Giants are proof of that. Hos won a ring Im guessing he was a good no great qb now? Please there is so much proof that its more about Teams then just QB winning a SB. Look at all the great who never won and look at shit bags like Eli, Hos, Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Mark Rypen, Doug Williams of the world.

Snoogans just fucking stop you are such a homer. Unless people agree with you they are fucking idiots. Maybe you need to calm down a bit and stop looking though big blue glasses. The guy has lead the league in ints twice already. Is he good yes, is he a HoF? Fuck no not even close. Will he be? Maybe if he plays 10 more years and it doesnt hurt to have the manning last name!


Eli Manning would have never been kidnapped by a woman. Even Ace Ventura wasn't crazy enough to have Marino win a SB. The movie ended with him fighting a mascot. The Dolphins probably had Marino kidnapped anyway

[Snacks]

how am i a homer for putting my QB as 9th? I even put him behind a guy who had 1 good passing season, was in prison, and plays for my most hated rival. How the fuck is that being a homer?

You just cant handle me tellin you you are wrong all the time. Try being right then. I never said anything about eli is there cause he won the SB. I said winning games. I also said those 2 guys had a LITTLE marino in them. I did that for a reason. because obviously NEITHER IS AS FUCKIN GOOD AS MARINO. Just cause marino was great without winning SBs doesnt make you right about tony romo. I just said thats why you like them. Way to be like your boy tenbatz and try to twist shit to fit your arguement though. Gold star

so now you say its because of winning games, well romo has a higher winning % then Eli doesnt he? I dont know for sure but I know they are both 17 games over .500 and with Romo have less games played I would say he has a higher win %. Also Romo has better all around stats so how could you say your argument isnt just about winning that SB? It is and yes Eli was a huge part of winning in those playoffs and had 2 huge plays during that game.

[Snacks]

actually the funny thing is all i did was change HALF YOUR FUCKIN LIST. and i argued you on a few guys you had to high. We can debate them all if you want. Im responding to what you guys have said. I didnt start shit. I made one post with my list, then i went to work. Then i came home and responded to what was here. thats how this works

and yea, they have differences of opinions. But you use your opinions to skew actual facts. Thats why you are wrong. You dont have opinions, you say your opinions, then use INCORRECT STATEMENTS AND WHAT YOU PERCEIVE AS FACTS TO BACK IT UP. regardless if its opinion, that method makes you wrong

what was a fact that makes my opinions any less of an opinion or what fact was wrong? none. Romo has better #s thats a fact! I actually love my top 10 and wouldnt change any of them its 11-15 that I might move the guys around but not much.

[Snoogans]

so now you say its because of winning games, well romo has a higher winning % then Eli doesnt he? I dont know for sure but I know they are both 17 games over .500 and with Romo have less games played I would say he has a higher win %. Also Romo has better all around stats so how could you say your argument isnt just about winning that SB? It is and yes Eli was a huge part of winning in those playoffs and had 2 huge plays during that game.

no asshole, i didnt bring up the SB cause ROMO NEVER MADE ONE. go back and actually read what i say. I was talkin about big games in december and then the playoffs as a whole. WHICH TONY ROMO HAS A HISTORY OF BEING SHITTY IN. I NEVER ONCE MENTIONED THE SB TIL YOU FUCKIN BROUGHT IT UP

[Snoogans]

what was a fact that makes my opinions any less of an opinion or what fact was wrong? none. Romo has better #s thats a fact!

go look up romos numbers in december and january and you will understand what i fuckin said. And see, you kill tenbatz for doing what you just did. You brought up 1 fact out of the 1000 you try to use that was right, and claim that makes my entire point wrong. Im talkin about your opinions as a whole.

[Snacks]

go look up romos numbers in december and january and you will understand what i fuckin said. And see, you kill tenbatz for doing what you just did. You brought up 1 fact out of the 1000 you try to use that was right, and claim that makes my entire point wrong. Im talkin about your opinions as a whole.

ok I will and tell me how Eli did the past 2 year in Dec? Couldnt have been that good because the team as a whole seemed to shit the bed both seasons and miss the playoffs.

[Snoogans]

ok I will and tell me how Eli did the past 2 year in Dec? Couldnt have been that good because the team as a whole seemed to shit the bed both seasons and miss the playoffs.

yea but that isnt the point. the point is you are arguing shit i never said and acting like i said it. Go back and find me one instance in this thread where i ever brought up the SB when i was responding to YOU bringing up the superbowl. That alone will show you that the argument you are making is stupid, cause you are arguing shit i never did. Go, find it for me. Find where i mention Eli and the SB before you did

edit: ok seriously? thats what you are using to say that i mentioned eli winning the SB made him better than these guys? In my first post i listed like 7 things on his resume, and the SB was like the 5th thing. I never said cause he won a SB he is better, but thats what you act like i said

[Kevin]

ok I will and tell me how Eli did the past 2 year in Dec? Couldnt have been that good because the team as a whole seemed to shit the bed both seasons and miss the playoffs.

The Giants missed the playoffs because

1 Turnovers. Bradshaw fumbling all over the place. The Wrs deflecting passes.

2. The special teams being terrible from top to bottom from Reynaud to Dodge.

3. The pass rush being non existent from like game 10 and on.

4. Coughlin being retarded.

Eli was the least of there reasons.

[Snoogans]

one thing i did just realize, as i was reading back. I noticed i forgot to put romo back on the list when i deleted him out of the spot snacks had him in. thats my fault, i inteded to put romo back in there ahead of schuab at 9th, 1 spot behind eli. I just fucked up. I was wondering why it was so hard for me to come up with a 15th QB but thats cause i wanted garrard at 15. So stick romo at 9 and back everyone else 1 spot

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Michael Vick
7. Phillip Rivers
8. Eli Manning
9. Tony Romo
10. Matt Schaub
11. Matt Ryan
12. Joe Flacco
13. Josh Freeman
14. Kyle Orton
15. David Garrard


that is my actual, no mistake list

[Snacks]

yea but that isnt the point. the point is you are arguing shit i never said and acting like i said it. Go back and find me one instance in this thread where i ever brought up the SB when i was responding to YOU bringing up the superbowl. That alone will show you that the argument you are making is stupid, cause you are arguing shit i never did. Go, find it for me. Find where i mention Eli and the SB before you did

edit: ok seriously? thats what you are using to say that i mentioned eli winning the SB made him better than these guys? In my first post i listed like 7 things on his resume, and the SB was like the 5th thing. I never said cause he won a SB he is better, but thats what you act like i said

sb was the 3rd thing you mentioned especially when i said in my 1st post that sb have nothing to do with my ranking. another thing you used stats, and thats fine but its also about future stats. he didnt lead the league in yards he was 5tth or tds. My point was he had an up down year last year and leading the league in ints drops you big time. Look at his year last year and Cutlers year the year before. Very close but Cutler dropped a lot because of the ints.

like i said we disagree, thats fine but dont make my argument any less valid then yours. you have your opinion!

[Snoogans]

sb was the 3rd thing you mentioned especially when i said in my 1st post that sb have nothing to do with my ranking. another thing you used stats, and thats fine but its also about future stats. he didnt lead the league in yards he was 5tth or tds. My point was he had an up down year last year and leading the league in ints drops you big time. Look at his year last year and Cutlers year the year before. Very close but Cutler dropped a lot because of the ints.

like i said we disagree, thats fine but dont make my argument any less valid then yours. you have your opinion!

wait a second. You are sitting here asking who is the best QB right now, but the fact they lead a team to a SB cant count, AND you have to factor in something that hasnt and might actually not happen? HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU USE FUTURE STATS? What does that even mean?

What if matt ryan breaks his neck next preseason game? How the fuck can you use FUTURE to talk about something NOW? You can only go but what guys have shown and proved and neither of them has proved enough yet. (by them i mean flacco and ryan)

Also really, josh fuckin freeman played 1 year. Bradford played 1 year and had the 25th worst QB rating in the NFL. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU PUT HIM AHEAD OF A GUY WHO IS IN HIS PRIME AND PROVED HE CAN WIN PLAYOFF GAMES AND BIG GAMES.

That doesnt mean he ALWAYS does, it just means he showed he can. Romo hasnt even shown he can. So thats why romo is behind eli for me personally. But jesus, bradford? Freeman?

[Kevin]

Remember when people were saying Carson Palmer was better than Eli and was going to be an elite QB?
Oopps

[Snacks]

wait a second. You are sitting here asking who is the best QB right now, but the fact they lead a team to a SB cant count, AND you have to factor in something that hasnt and might actually not happen? HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU USE FUTURE STATS? What does that even mean?

What if matt ryan breaks his neck next preseason game? How the fuck can you use FUTURE to talk about something NOW? You can only go but what guys have shown and proved and neither of them has proved enough yet. (by them i mean flacco and ryan)

Also really, josh fuckin freeman played 1 year. Bradford played 1 year and had the 25th worst QB rating in the NFL. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU PUT HIM AHEAD OF A GUY WHO IS IN HIS PRIME AND PROVED HE CAN WIN PLAYOFF GAMES AND BIG GAMES.

That doesnt mean he ALWAYS does, it just means he showed he can. Romo hasnt even shown he can. So thats why romo is behind eli for me personally. But jesus, bradford? Freeman?

of course you can use the sb but my point was really to prevent the tripleskeets of the world only uning sbs for why someone is 1. He would put Tom Brady 1 and then say he won 3 sbs enough said blah blah blah. Im saying all around QB, team doesnt matter etc. Just the QB, his stats, present, current, future, past etc. All together. What QB in your personal opinions is the best and rank them in order. I agree 100% with my top 10. Obviously if Vick got hurt he wouldnt be as high next year but as long as he could come back he wouldnt lose more then a spot or 2. Like Romo, he didnt drop at all for me b/c I think he will be even better this year even after the injury.

[Snacks]

Remember when people were saying Carson Palmer was better than Eli and was going to be an elite QB?
Oopps

Palmer didnt have a great season last year and threw for 30 yards less then Eli, 5 less tds and had 5 less ints. Not a huge difference yet he wouldnt even be on the list if he was playing this year. He has had to play for the worst org in the NFL (if not the worst close to it).

[Kevin]

of course you can use the sb but my point was really to prevent the tripleskeets of the world only uning sbs for why someone is 1. He would put Tom Brady 1 and then say he won 3 sbs enough said blah blah blah. Im saying all around QB, team doesnt matter etc. Just the QB, his stats, present, current, future, past etc. All together. What QB in your personal opinions is the best and rank them in order. I agree 100% with my top 10. Obviously if Vick got hurt he wouldnt be as high next year but as long as he could come back he wouldnt lose more then a spot or 2. Like Romo, he didnt drop at all for me b/c I think he will be even better this year even after the injury.

Tom Brady has never won a SB that he did not cheat in.

In fact the only SB he played he did not cheat he lost to a certain QB.

I still have Brady at 1 but...

[Snoogans]

of course you can use the sb but my point was really to prevent the tripleskeets of the world only uning sbs for why someone is 1. He would put Tom Brady 1 and then say he won 3 sbs enough said blah blah blah. Im saying all around QB, team doesnt matter etc. Just the QB, his stats, present, current, future, past etc. All together. What QB in your personal opinions is the best and rank them in order. I agree 100% with my top 10. Obviously if Vick got hurt he wouldnt be as high next year but as long as he could come back he wouldnt lose more then a spot or 2. Like Romo, he didnt drop at all for me b/c I think he will be even better this year even after the injury.

but you are talkin as if eli is fuckin done. Him and romo are almost the same age. Eli has like 5 more years of playin at a high level assuming he doesnt get injured. So you cant just assume because a guy is in his 2nd year and showed flashes (and not that many sam bradford), that they are gonna be better than a guy who has already done WAY more than alot of QBs ever do and has a good amount of time left to do more.

Eli has proven he can stand up to pressure and win big games. Does romo have better tools than eli, yea, absolutely. Eli has accuracy issues and its hard as fuck to throw the ball in his stadium, esp when its colder. But as a QB overall, you cant put Romo ahead of Eli til romo shows he wont fold in big spots. He has had alot of chances and had alot of dud games, ones that were not good games that the rest of his team fucked up. He has been TERRIBLE in most big spots

[Kevin]

Palmer didnt have a great season last year and threw for 30 yards less then Eli, 5 less tds and had 5 less ints. Not a huge difference yet he wouldnt even be on the list if he was playing this year. He has had to play for the worst org in the NFL (if not the worst close to it).

Carson Palmer is fucking terrible.

He didn't start sucking because of the org he started sucking because he had a devastating knee injury, which was snoogans point. Anything can happen so you can't use future stats. That's idiotic.

[Snoogans]

Eli is actually a year YOUNGER than tony romo, btw

[Kevin]

im sure you loved Vince Young's future stats

[Kevin]

Bah

[Snacks]

Carson Palmer is fucking terrible.

He didn't start sucking because of the org he started sucking because he had a devastating knee injury, which was snoogans point. Anything can happen so you can't use future stats. That's idiotic.

no one knows future stats very true but you can look at a guys career see how he has done and how he has gotten better, worse etc and where he is going.

As for Palmer, he had a terrible knee injury and came back the next year and threw for more yards and almost as many TDs. He actually had 2 straight year in a row after the knee injury with 4000+ yard seasons and had 28 tds and 26 tds right after as well, so that knee injury has nothing to do with palmer and what has happened since. The team and org has been shit and the coaching is terrible. You talk about Coughlin being a retard but you dont see how the org and Marvin lewis is to blame for Palmer?

Eli has never been an accurate QB I dont think Eli will be getting any better. Hes a career 58% comp QB. Thats not good in todays NFL. Romo is very accurate, he has a career 64% and last year he was almost at 70% thats insane.

If I had a choice I would take Romo over Eli you NYG fans can take Eli thats fine this an opinion. I guarantee that SD fans are thrilled that Elis father forced the trade!

[epo]

Wait...there is still an argument about Romo vs. Eli?

Eli is better. Its not even an argument. Romo is a nice, average, stat-whore who never wins a big game.

I may not like Eli and think that he's a mongoloid retard, but he's better than Tony.

[spoon]

I would be completely shocked if that happened. McNabb looked half dead last year. I'm actually kind of shocked he didn't retire.

I think a TON of this had to do with the coach and his idiot son tied to an owner with other ideas. Good old bug eyes and the mad owner can f anything up when they work together so well like last year.

Oh and Vick wasn't even close to the same qb late in the year as he was earlier except in the NY game bc the Giants were simply retarded in closing that one out. Teams finally remembered to make him run to his left and he responded by throwing some picks to end the season. Also, he fumbles a lot and it's going to hurt him moving forward as he never protects the ball like he should. He fumbled 11 times in 12 starts, and threw all 6 of his picks in the last 5 games.

Honestly, I guess it all comes down to my belief he was regressing as the year went on, not continually improving. Tie into that this was his one season where he actually threw the ball pretty well, and I'm not sure he continues to do that this year. I guess we'll see, but I'm also not saying he's going to be awful in year two for the Eagles. I'm pretty sure JustJon could line up under center there with a lego helmet and throw for 2,000 yards. His success will be linked to his poise in the pocket vs his instinct to run. Vick simply won't survive running around 10 times a games and needs to keep those plays down to around 4-5 rushing attempts in big moments.

[TripleSkeet]

of course you can use the sb but my point was really to prevent the tripleskeets of the world only uning sbs for why someone is 1. He would put Tom Brady 1 and then say he won 3 sbs enough said blah blah blah. Im saying all around QB, team doesnt matter etc. Just the QB, his stats, present, current, future, past etc. All together. What QB in your personal opinions is the best and rank them in order. I agree 100% with my top 10. Obviously if Vick got hurt he wouldnt be as high next year but as long as he could come back he wouldnt lose more then a spot or 2. Like Romo, he didnt drop at all for me b/c I think he will be even better this year even after the injury.

Ok, first of all, I dont use just SB's when I determine who the best QB is, HOWEVER you cannot be the best QB in history without a SB ring. I think when I say Joe Montana is the greatest QB of all time, his rings arent the only thing hes got on his resume.

[TripleSkeet]

No team has ever lost being up by 21 points in the 4th q with less then 10 mins to play.

Also, I was gonna let this slide but since ya called me out, in 2003 the Bucs were up 21 on the Colts with 9 minutes left, and lost the game.

[Snacks]

Also, I was gonna let this slide but since ya called me out, in 2003 the Bucs were up 21 on the Colts with 9 minutes left, and lost the game.

isnt the real philly vs nyg stat something closer to 7 mins anyway?

[spoon]

Elite Tier QBs (Clear team leaders, consistent top line numbers & elite history of winning)

*All in this category are elite in every category listed above or at least really close. To me these are the no brainers of the NFL but to stay here is tough. Brees is the closest to falling out with his iffy int level & reckless play at times last year. Rodgers is a new addition to the list as well.

Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees


Pro Tier Team leaders, top line numbers & good history of winning.

*Some combination of those listed above but not all. Overall, something missing here for each qb, but all could move in either direction based on future performance. All three have some claim in the future at being considered tier 1 in my opinion, but all are lacking in some area right now.

-Rivers has put up consistent top line numbers, wins huge games in December (lost for the first time in December last year!), but needs to win more in the playoffs at least. His leadership is great and toughness unbelievable (played with torn acl in playoffs vs NE in tough loss), but he lacks that overall winning touch you need to be elite.

-Ben easily locks in the winning portion of the equation, but he lacks overall in leadership for his obvious off-field issues and his team stripping him of his captaincy. Heck, his team has often been quoted calling him an ass and just seemingly isn't loved or respected as you'd imagine a multiple SB winner would be. His stats are on the border, but good enough with his winning pedigree. Overall though I just can't put him in the same class as those above.

-Eli too lacks that leadership quality to put him in the top tier for me. He's gotten much better since Tiki left and continues to grow each year, but tie in his ball security issues (I know his wrs don't help) and he lands in this tier and the bottom of it. It's his SB title and pretty solid numbers since coming to the NFL that even get him here, but 2011 will go a long way toward either securing this level for me, or dropping down.

Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethislberger
Eli Manning



Third Tier Good or improving numbers, becoming leaders & or recent history of winning.

*Qbs here have a little more to prove to me at this point either with they numbers, winning or leadership. Still, many have some combination of these factors but are more lacking than tier two for me.

Some here are on the verge of joining group 2 but once again something is holding them back for me. Vick and Ryan both could easily have arguments made to bump them up, but my take is I just need some more evidence they belong there. Both are very close to showing they belong, and actually have the level of stats/leadership/intangibles in my mind, just not enough time playing at that level.

Romo, Schaub and Flacco are all in the nice looking qbs overall category, but all three haven't found a way to step up and get pretty much anything of substance done just yet. Flacco has won a lot for his age, that much is not lost on me, but until last year he was seemingly along for the ride. All three here can put up some nice numbers but simply aren't at in on the level just yet with even those above them in the same grouping.

Matt Ryan
Michael Vick
Tony Romo
Matt Schaub
Joe Flacco


Future/Potential Tier (High Potential guys with too small sample sizes and or time as an NFL starter for me.)

-Freeman really grew and advanced as a THROWING qb in his sophmore year showing great signs of being a very good NFL qb. A third year would go a LONG way in bumping up his level for me, and I don't see why it shouldn't happen.

-Bradford has taken a LOT of shit here, but he had NOTHING to throw to last year and it was his rookie season on a bad team coming off a pretty bad injury issues. Go back and look at other top level qb rookie years now and of the past and it's pretty impressive! If you had a chance to actually watch him play (I did bc I have the package and my uncle is a nutty Ram fan), he's a tough kid and looks to be for real. I expect to see him take a nice step forward this year in his soph season, especially knowing their WR position is looking better (finally healthy and decent pick ups), Bradford continues to learn the offense and the rams continue to sure up the OL.

-Cassel to me is an enigma and I just can't see his direction at this point. His season last year was as impressive as his injury duty in NE a few years back. I truthfully expect KC to have a let down year...just how much Cassel has to do with that remains to be seen.

Josh Freeman
Matt Cassel
Sam Bradford


Quandary Tier

Orton will be out of a job to let the tebow disaster start in denver way too soon, stafford can't stay on the field or else he'd easily be up with the freeman/bradfords of this list, sanchez is NOT what jet fans make him out to be (and that's not even much), Kolb can prove his worth this year and cutler...well he's the best diabetic douche bag qb all-time bar none. At least he's got that going for him.

Orton, Stafford, Sanchez, Kolb and Cutler.



Long enough for you? I may have missed some but can easily slot them in on this very fluid list.

[spoon]

isnt the real philly vs nyg stat something closer to 7 mins anyway?

if only they had God in their corner like Denver will very soon

[Snoogans]

Elite Tier QBs (Clear team leaders, consistent top line numbers & elite history of winning)

*All in this category are elite in every category listed above or at least really close. To me these are the no brainers of the NFL but to stay here is tough. Brees is the closest to falling out with his iffy int level & reckless play at times last year. Rodgers is a new addition to the list as well.

Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees


Pro Tier Team leaders, top line numbers & good history of winning.

*Some combination of those listed above but not all. Overall, something missing here for each qb, but all could move in either direction based on future performance. All three have some claim in the future at being considered tier 1 in my opinion, but all are lacking in some area right now.

-Rivers has put up consistent top line numbers, wins huge games in December (lost for the first time in December last year!), but needs to win more in the playoffs at least. His leadership is great and toughness unbelievable (played with torn acl in playoffs vs NE in tough loss), but he lacks that overall winning touch you need to be elite.

-Ben easily locks in the winning portion of the equation, but he lacks overall in leadership for his obvious off-field issues and his team stripping him of his captaincy. Heck, his team has often been quoted calling him an ass and just seemingly isn't loved or respected as you'd imagine a multiple SB winner would be. His stats are on the border, but good enough with his winning pedigree. Overall though I just can't put him in the same class as those above.

-Eli too lacks that leadership quality to put him in the top tier for me. He's gotten much better since Tiki left and continues to grow each year, but tie in his ball security issues (I know his wrs don't help) and he lands in this tier and the bottom of it. It's his SB title and pretty solid numbers since coming to the NFL that even get him here, but 2011 will go a long way toward either securing this level for me, or dropping down.

Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethislberger
Eli Manning



Third Tier Good or improving numbers, becoming leaders & or recent history of winning.

*Qbs here have a little more to prove to me at this point either with they numbers, winning or leadership. Still, many have some combination of these factors but are more lacking than tier two for me.

Some here are on the verge of joining group 2 but once again something is holding them back for me. Vick and Ryan both could easily have arguments made to bump them up, but my take is I just need some more evidence they belong there. Both are very close to showing they belong, and actually have the level of stats/leadership/intangibles in my mind, just not enough time playing at that level.

Romo, Schaub and Flacco are all in the nice looking qbs overall category, but all three haven't found a way to step up and get pretty much anything of substance done just yet. Flacco has won a lot for his age, that much is not lost on me, but until last year he was seemingly along for the ride. All three here can put up some nice numbers but simply aren't at in on the level just yet with even those above them in the same grouping.

Matt Ryan
Michael Vick
Tony Romo
Matt Schaub
Joe Flacco


Future/Potential Tier (High Potential guys with too small sample sizes and or time as an NFL starter for me.)

-Freeman really grew and advanced as a THROWING qb in his sophmore year showing great signs of being a very good NFL qb. A third year would go a LONG way in bumping up his level for me, and I don't see why it shouldn't happen.

-Bradford has taken a LOT of shit here, but he had NOTHING to throw to last year and it was his rookie season on a bad team coming off a pretty bad injury issues. Go back and look at other top level qb rookie years now and of the past and it's pretty impressive! If you had a chance to actually watch him play (I did bc I have the package and my uncle is a nutty Ram fan), he's a tough kid and looks to be for real. I expect to see him take a nice step forward this year in his soph season, especially knowing their WR position is looking better (finally healthy and decent pick ups), Bradford continues to learn the offense and the rams continue to sure up the OL.

-Cassel to me is an enigma and I just can't see his direction at this point. His season last year was as impressive as his injury duty in NE a few years back. I truthfully expect KC to have a let down year...just how much Cassel has to do with that remains to be seen.

Josh Freeman
Matt Cassel
Sam Bradford


Quandary Tier

Orton will be out of a job to let the tebow disaster start in denver way too soon, stafford can't stay on the field or else he'd easily be up with the freeman/bradfords of this list, sanchez is NOT what jet fans make him out to be (and that's not even much), Kolb can prove his worth this year and cutler...well he's the best diabetic douche bag qb all-time bar none. At least he's got that going for him.

Orton, Stafford, Sanchez, Kolb and Cutler.



Long enough for you? I may have missed some but can easily slot them in on this very fluid list.
the one guy i can think that you left out is garrard and to be honest, he doesnt really fit in any of those tiers. He is more like decent guy who can win some games but is probably headin for the downside along with McNabb, Hasselback, and that group

[spoon]

Yah I actually like the guy too, but he's surely on the downside. I can see him being a very good backup to a kid who wants to run too much and needs to be more efficient/accurate.

I was going to add those place holder vets that are plenty capable but on the downside category but got way too bored and tired of my own fucking post. Plus he asked for the top 15 so I thought I went deep enough without having to mention Cam, McCoy and the great Harvard bomber!

[Snoogans]

Interesting little blog thing on Eli Manning (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/29627/eli-manning-talks-interceptions)

It's those 25 interceptions, which seem to be the number everybody wants to talk about. Not the career-high 31 touchdown passes. Not the second straight season of 4,000 passing yards. Not the 62.9 completion percentage or the fact that it was the third year in a row that number's gone up.

I didnt even think he was that good on completion %. I figured it was in the high 50s like it usually is. with the added interceptions, im shocked it was so high. Im not shocked that its continued to rise. Aside from INTs, pretty much all his numbers have steadily increased. I dont think he has a ton of room to improve being that he is 30 years old, but i do believe it can get a little better each year, a little smarter. I HOPE, and really believe you can expect at least 60% completions from here until he starts that downward fall in however many years.

I also expect that he wont throw near 25 picks this year. Just by law of averages, i cant believe he is gonna have so many balls off receivers hands into picks

There are several theories about why Manning's interceptions went through the roof, and the most obvious is the one that references how many balls bounced off of receivers' hands and into those of defenders. Looking back on the interceptions, I counted eight that fit that description. Pro Football Focus came up with 10 of them and wrote, in this fantasy preview article, "When you remove those interceptions from Eli’s ledger, his interception rate is right in line with his 2009 numbers at 2.8%." (Yeah, it's a fantasy article, but the numbers are the numbers.)

im gonna guess eli ends up somewhere in that 10 less area. Somewhere between 13 and 18 INTs. if he does that with 30+ TD passes, thats a great season

[Snacks]

Interesting little blog thing on Eli Manning (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/29627/eli-manning-talks-interceptions)



I didnt even think he was that good on completion %. I figured it was in the high 50s like it usually is. with the added interceptions, im shocked it was so high. Im not shocked that its continued to rise. Aside from INTs, pretty much all his numbers have steadily increased. I dont think he has a ton of room to improve being that he is 30 years old, but i do believe it can get a little better each year, a little smarter. I HOPE, and really believe you can expect at least 60% completions from here until he starts that downward fall in however many years.

I also expect that he wont throw near 25 picks this year. Just by law of averages, i cant believe he is gonna have so many balls off receivers hands into picks



im gonna guess eli ends up somewhere in that 10 less area. Somewhere between 13 and 18 INTs. if he does that with 30+ TD passes, thats a great season

and right below that article in the comment section someone posted this link to this blog. It basically says how Eli is top 16 not top 10 and how he is good during the 1st have of the season and then sucks the 2nd half. It continues to back up everything the guy says. He shows how Eli has been the full time starter for 6 years and has lead the league 2 times and been has been top 5 in ints a total of 4 times. He also has the 2nd most ints since 2004 only behind Brett Favre (which btw thats not bad Favre had some pretty good year). Obviously he does give him credit for TDs and the SB run but it does give in detail why hes avg at best.

http://www.sports-central.org/sports/2011/08/15/eli_manning_is_overrated.php

[Snacks]

BTW can the nyg have an easier 1st half of the schedule? I still think the NYG go 8-8 9-7 at best but with their first 8 games being that easy they should go min 6-2 maybe even 7-1 to start the season.

The 2nfd half should get them. I think they only have 2 winnable games maybe 3 if they split with Dal.

So they need to come out strong or this could be a long season.

[TjM]

I think Stafford deserves a little more love

[epo]

I think Stafford deserves a little more love

Will he ever stay healthy enough to judge him?

[underdog]

I don't have much to add except that I think you're all underrating Josh Freeman.

[CountryBob]

Terrible to say but I do hope my Skins get Andrew Luck next draft - they have not had a franchise QB in so long....... and their record shows.

[foodcourtdruide]

I think a TON of this had to do with the coach and his idiot son tied to an owner with other ideas. Good old bug eyes and the mad owner can f anything up when they work together so well like last year.

Oh and Vick wasn't even close to the same qb late in the year as he was earlier except in the NY game bc the Giants were simply retarded in closing that one out. Teams finally remembered to make him run to his left and he responded by throwing some picks to end the season. Also, he fumbles a lot and it's going to hurt him moving forward as he never protects the ball like he should. He fumbled 11 times in 12 starts, and threw all 6 of his picks in the last 5 games.

Honestly, I guess it all comes down to my belief he was regressing as the year went on, not continually improving. Tie into that this was his one season where he actually threw the ball pretty well, and I'm not sure he continues to do that this year. I guess we'll see, but I'm also not saying he's going to be awful in year two for the Eagles. I'm pretty sure JustJon could line up under center there with a lego helmet and throw for 2,000 yards. His success will be linked to his poise in the pocket vs his instinct to run. Vick simply won't survive running around 10 times a games and needs to keep those plays down to around 4-5 rushing attempts in big moments.

I agree, if I was a betting man, I'd bet against the Eagles this year. Vick is super injury prone and I agree with everything you just said about him late in the season last year. I'd be interested to see what the over/under was on the number of starts Vince Young is going to get this year.

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't have much to add except that I think you're all underrating Josh Freeman.

I think he was a great surprise last season and I think he'll continue to get better. But who do you put him ahead of in the top 10? Romo? Ryan? Schaub? Maybe after this season, but not yet.

[TripleSkeet]

isnt the real philly vs nyg stat something closer to 7 mins anyway?

Dont know. Was just going by your quote.

[TripleSkeet]

BTW can the nyg have an easier 1st half of the schedule? I still think the NYG go 8-8 9-7 at best but with their first 8 games being that easy they should go min 6-2 maybe even 7-1 to start the season.

The 2nfd half should get them. I think they only have 2 winnable games maybe 3 if they split with Dal.

So they need to come out strong or this could be a long season.

The Eagles too. Looking at their schedule they have a legit shot at 8-0 and maybe 12-4. Of course 1-2 injuries could always derail that.

[Kevin]

no one knows future stats very true but you can look at a guys career see how he has done and how he has gotten better, worse etc and where he is going.

As for Palmer, he had a terrible knee injury and came back the next year and threw for more yards and almost as many TDs. He actually had 2 straight year in a row after the knee injury with 4000+ yard seasons and had 28 tds and 26 tds right after as well, so that knee injury has nothing to do with palmer and what has happened since. The team and org has been shit and the coaching is terrible. You talk about Coughlin being a retard but you dont see how the org and Marvin lewis is to blame for Palmer?

Eli has never been an accurate QB I dont think Eli will be getting any better. Hes a career 58% comp QB. Thats not good in todays NFL. Romo is very accurate, he has a career 64% and last year he was almost at 70% thats insane.

If I had a choice I would take Romo over Eli you NYG fans can take Eli thats fine this an opinion. I guarantee that SD fans are thrilled that Elis father forced the trade!


Here is what you are not getting. Its not all about the stats. I watch Palmer play and say this guy is fucking terrible.

Pats/Redsox fans were making the exact same opposite argument about Payton Brady pre 07 as they were making Nomar vs Jeter late 90s to mid 2000s. Jeter has the rings but Nomar is better because of his better hr Rbi numbers. Then when they argued Peyton vs Brady, its Brady wins and Peytons numbers do not matter.

My point was that Palmer was on track to being a top 5 QB before the injury, but he never got there.

So judging a QB NOW on future stats is plain retarded.

[Snoogans]

and right below that article in the comment section someone posted this link to this blog. It basically says how Eli is top 16 not top 10 and how he is good during the 1st have of the season and then sucks the 2nd half. It continues to back up everything the guy says. He shows how Eli has been the full time starter for 6 years and has lead the league 2 times and been has been top 5 in ints a total of 4 times. He also has the 2nd most ints since 2004 only behind Brett Favre (which btw thats not bad Favre had some pretty good year). Obviously he does give him credit for TDs and the SB run but it does give in detail why hes avg at best.

http://www.sports-central.org/sports/2011/08/15/eli_manning_is_overrated.php

thats one sports bloggers article. so that guy is right, because he agrees with you, but all the other people (which there are many) who dont agree with you are stupid? 90% of "experts" would easily have eli in the top ten. there is no way you can put 2nd year QBs ahead of him. And you ignore the fact that his seasons overall have progressively gotten better.

[Snoogans]

BTW can the nyg have an easier 1st half of the schedule? I still think the NYG go 8-8 9-7 at best but with their first 8 games being that easy they should go min 6-2 maybe even 7-1 to start the season.

The 2nfd half should get them. I think they only have 2 winnable games maybe 3 if they split with Dal.

So they need to come out strong or this could be a long season.

if the giatns have the schedule, so does dallas and philly and washington.

Standings and whatever only account for 2, TWO games a year. Everything else is in a predetermined rotation.

That being said, you said yourself its brutal, but if the giants do go 7-1 and then finish say 10-6, you will be the first person to kill them for choking and completely ignore your own fact here.

[Snacks]

thats one sports bloggers article. so that guy is right, because he agrees with you, but all the other people (which there are many) who dont agree with you are stupid? 90% of "experts" would easily have eli in the top ten. there is no way you can put 2nd year QBs ahead of him. And you ignore the fact that his seasons overall have progressively gotten better.

Couldnt I say the same to you? You posted 1 espn article that agreed with you so he was right?

I dont ingnore the fact that his yards have gotten better and even his comp %. But so has most in this new pass happy league over the past 5 years. I just think he is an avg qb who gets more respect then he deserves because he is a manning and plays in ny. The article I posted showed his #s and what he has done and compared him to other guys, you are the 1 fighting me on this when its only my opinion based on what I have watched and the #s they all put up. I like Romo better and think he is a lot better QB. My opinion is different then yours, thats fine with me.

[Snacks]

if the giatns have the schedule, so does dallas and philly and washington.

Standings and whatever only account for 2, TWO games a year. Everything else is in a predetermined rotation.

That being said, you said yourself its brutal, but if the giants do go 7-1 and then finish say 10-6, you will be the first person to kill them for choking and completely ignore your own fact here.

and if they go 4-4 to start they will be done before the season starts. If the NYG go 7-1 to start the season and finish 10-6 it will be a semi choke because they beat the teams they should have but couldnt beat any good teams. When you start off 7-1 no matter who you beat you should at least finish above .500 then 2nd half of the season. Momentum and confidence plus talent should help you the 2nd half against that tougher schedule.

I still dont think they will go 10-6 anyway so we will have to see. I see them at 8-8! But we will see what happens when the season is over!

[TripleSkeet]

if the giatns have the schedule, so does dallas and philly and washington.


Yea but what can be an easy win for Philly doesnt mean it will be for Washington. Ya know, because they stink and all.

[disneyspy]

Yea but what can be an easy win for Philly doesnt mean it will be for Washington. Ya know, because they stink and all.

HA!

[Snoogans]

Couldnt I say the same to you? You posted 1 espn article that agreed with you so he was right?

I dont ingnore the fact that his yards have gotten better and even his comp %. But so has most in this new pass happy league over the past 5 years. I just think he is an avg qb who gets more respect then he deserves because he is a manning and plays in ny. The article I posted showed his #s and what he has done and compared him to other guys, you are the 1 fighting me on this when its only my opinion based on what I have watched and the #s they all put up. I like Romo better and think he is a lot better QB. My opinion is different then yours, thats fine with me.

i didnt post anything to agree with me. I posted an interesting thing i had read at that moment that surprised me. thats why i posted it, as i said

[Snacks]

i didnt post anything to agree with me. I posted an interesting thing i had read at that moment that surprised me. thats why i posted it, as i said

what i posted interested me as well and since it came from the comments section of what you posted i found it even more of a reason to post it. it just so happened that his post agreed with my opinion!

[Snoogans]

what i posted interested me as well and since it came from the comments section of what you posted i found it even more of a reason to post it. it just so happened that his post agreed with my opinion!

yea but you posted it and then used that to try to bolster your point. I used the article to make a completely different point that was only about eli manning.

[Snoogans]

and if they go 4-4 to start they will be done before the season starts. If the NYG go 7-1 to start the season and finish 10-6 it will be a semi choke because they beat the teams they should have but couldnt beat any good teams. When you start off 7-1 no matter who you beat you should at least finish above .500 then 2nd half of the season. Momentum and confidence plus talent should help you the 2nd half against that tougher schedule.

I still dont think they will go 10-6 anyway so we will have to see. I see them at 8-8! But we will see what happens when the season is over!

but that wouldnt be a choke. that would be them just not beating teams that were better than them and beating teams that werent. Thats just called normal. Its not a choke, its just how the schedule was. A choke would be if they start 7-1 and then lose games to either worse teams, or give away games they should win. then its a choke. You cant just look at numbers and assume they tell everything bro. you SEEM to do that alot, just go right on with what the numbers say, never taking into account what actually happened in the process of getting those numbers

[Snacks]

but that wouldnt be a choke. that would be them just not beating teams that were better than them and beating teams that werent. Thats just called normal. Its not a choke, its just how the schedule was. A choke would be if they start 7-1 and then lose games to either worse teams, or give away games they should win. then its a choke. You cant just look at numbers and assume they tell everything bro. you SEEM to do that alot, just go right on with what the numbers say, never taking into account what actually happened in the process of getting those numbers

well we dont know how the season will work out. going by the schedule the giants have a very easy schedule for the 1st half and a tough schedule by the 2nd half. but if the giants go 7-1 and got 3-5 down the stretch of the season people would say they choked because they started out the 1st half of the season as 1 of the best records/teams. just becuase we all predict those teams to be shit doesnt mean they are just because we expect the giants to have a great 1st half doesnt mean they will. but if they do and then go under .500 the 2nd half of the season they will have then choked the 2nd half. I would rather play and easy schedule early and a tougher schedule late. The confidence, momentum that winning brings creates and helps you continue to win. If they start out 7-1 they should think they SHOULD win the 2nd half of the season no matter how tough it seems now, but 8-9 weeks in things will surely change and by then the NYG being 7-1 will be expected to beat many of those tougher teams meaning if they dont they would have choked! No?

[Snoogans]

well we dont know how the season will work out. going by the schedule the giants have a very easy schedule for the 1st half and a tough schedule by the 2nd half. but if the giants go 7-1 and got 3-5 down the stretch of the season people would say they choked because they started out the 1st half of the season as 1 of the best records/teams. just becuase we all predict those teams to be shit doesnt mean they are just because we expect the giants to have a great 1st half doesnt mean they will. but if they do and then go under .500 the 2nd half of the season they will have then choked the 2nd half. I would rather play and easy schedule early and a tougher schedule late. The confidence, momentum that winning brings creates and helps you continue to win. If they start out 7-1 they should think they SHOULD win the 2nd half of the season no matter how tough it seems now, but 8-9 weeks in things will surely change and by then the NYG being 7-1 will be expected to beat many of those tougher teams meaning if they dont they would have choked! No?

i agree, im not sayin what will happen. I was just using your example, if they take care of business and lose to good teams, people might call it a choke, but it really wouldnt be. That would be normal cause they took care of business. Will i be pissed if they go 7-1 and finish 9-7, shit yes. But on paper thats kinda what they are supposed to do. So thats not choking.

[Snoogans]

quick thing on carson palmer, i remember kevin sayin his knee fucked his career and snacks sayin no he was good after that. Snacks is right, it was 3 years after the knee that palmer fucked up his elbow, and thats what has caused him to be shit for the last 3 years.

Cincinnati in most respects, wasn't a likely scenario; though considering Carson Palmer's rehabilitation with his elbow after the 2008 season in which he missed 12 games, it certainly wasn't surprising that Cincinnati reportedly offered Vick a two-year deal worth $2.3 million in mid-August 2009. We can only assume the promise of starting was contingent of Palmer's recovery with his elbow, in which some speculate has never been the same.

[Snacks]

quick thing on carson palmer, i remember kevin sayin his knee fucked his career and snacks sayin no he was good after that. Snacks is right, it was 3 years after the knee that palmer fucked up his elbow, and thats what has caused him to be shit for the last 3 years.

yeah that year i was in a new league and the way the scoring system was i decided that wrs were by far the most important. my plan was to take wr, wr, wr, rb, qb. but when the draft came around i got 3 stud wrs as planned as my 4th pick came around and everything was going as planned 1 of the rbs i liked was there but then i noticed palmer who was ranked like 4th ,5, or 6th that pre season was still there. i decided to take palmer. not only did that leave me with no choices at rb which i would have had instead of palmer. palmer hurt his elbow and did dick all year so now i was without a rb or qb pretty much the entire season. if i would have drafted the rb i wanted and waited til the next round and taken my te and then eli i would have killed in that league. that was my plan all along but i changed my mind mid draft and got fucked.

[Snoogans]

yeah that year i was in a new league and the way the scoring system was i decided that wrs were by far the most important. my plan was to take wr, wr, wr, rb, qb. but when the draft came around i got 3 stud wrs as planned as my 4th pick came around and everything was going as planned 1 of the rbs i liked was there but then i noticed palmer who was ranked like 4th ,5, or 6th that pre season was still there. i decided to take palmer. not only did that leave me with no choices at rb which i would have had instead of palmer. palmer hurt his elbow and did dick all year so now i was without a rb or qb pretty much the entire season. if i would have drafted the rb i wanted and waited til the next round and taken my te and then eli i would have killed in that league. that was my plan all along but i changed my mind mid draft and got fucked.

after the content in this thread, this sentance is so fuckin hilariously ironic

[Snoogans]

yeah that year i was in a new league and the way the scoring system was i decided that wrs were by far the most important. my plan was to take wr, wr, wr, rb, qb. but when the draft came around i got 3 stud wrs as planned as my 4th pick came around and everything was going as planned 1 of the rbs i liked was there but then i noticed palmer who was ranked like 4th ,5, or 6th that pre season was still there. i decided to take palmer. not only did that leave me with no choices at rb which i would have had instead of palmer. palmer hurt his elbow and did dick all year so now i was without a rb or qb pretty much the entire season. if i would have drafted the rb i wanted and waited til the next round and taken my te and then eli i would have killed in that league. that was my plan all along but i changed my mind mid draft and got fucked.

also id like to point out one thing:

WR WR WR RB TE QB would have put eli as your 6th pick. Being i find it hard to believe there was 15 teams in this league, you woulda taken your personal 15th ranked QB in the 6th round. I know a few of your guys who were on that list werent playing back then, but that means there was a few guys not on that list who still woulda been, like mcnabb and hasselback, maybe vince young. So essentially you valued Eli way higher than you value Eli

[Snacks]

after the content in this thread, this sentance is so fuckin hilariously ironic

although i dont love eli and think he is middle of the pack in the league between 12-15 I do still think he is good. Fantasy wise he has good enough #s as long as the ints dont kill you.

i also thought you would like that eli was the guy i was supposed to take in the 6th or 7th round that year!

i should blame eli for that too.

[Snacks]

also id like to point out one thing:

WR WR WR RB TE QB would have put eli as your 6th pick. Being i find it hard to believe there was 15 teams in this league, you woulda taken your personal 15th ranked QB in the 6th round. I know a few of your guys who were on that list werent playing back then, but that means there was a few guys not on that list who still woulda been, like mcnabb and hasselback, maybe vince young. So essentially you valued Eli way higher than you value Eli

14 team league that needed to start just 1 rb, 2 wr, 1 qb and 1 te and a flex which could be wr or rb. so before i joined that league they all drafted rb heavy but they reward catches so iu figured get top tier wrs that get catches and td and you would kill in that league as long as you got a solid every game starter that threw for yards and tds . Eli fit perfectly and back then was ranked around 10 i think in my fantasy book/magazine give or take a spot.

now im no longer in this league and everyone now goes wrs heavy. most would use the flex to start a 2nd rb but now with the nfl being so much about passing and most rbs sharing duty everyone now goes with 3 wrs.

[Snoogans]

although i dont love eli and think he is middle of the pack in the league between 12-15 I do still think he is good. Fantasy wise he has good enough #s as long as the ints dont kill you.

i also thought you would like that eli was the guy i was supposed to take in the 6th or 7th round that year!

i should blame eli for that too.

thats the biggest problem i have with your list. In my opinion, eli is top ten cause there is really only 10-12 QBs who are good. if you think eli is a good solid quarterback, which is EXACTLY how i value him by the way. I do not think he is in elite class but i think spoon was pretty right on with him in that next class. He is a good solid QB who handles pressure moments as well or better than his other moments, can have huge games and win you some games himself, but also unleashes a few terrible throws and games here and there. when he is hot he can play as well as anyone.

But i dont think there is more than like 10 or so guys who fit that discription. Thats why i cant understand you having him 15th or behind guys who havent shown they can do that stuff yet, SB or not. Rivers has no SB, but i have him ahead of eli cause he showed he can do all that stuff and is a physically better QB. Its not homerism, its logic and sense

[Snoogans]

14 team league that needed to start just 1 rb, 2 wr, 1 qb and 1 te and a flex which could be wr or rb. so before i joined that league they all drafted rb heavy but they reward catches so iu figured get top tier wrs that get catches and td and you would kill in that league as long as you got a solid every game starter that threw for yards and tds . Eli fit perfectly and back then was ranked around 10 i think in my book give or take a spot.

14 teams jesus that sounds awful, but that makes abit more sense that there would be that kinda run on QBs then

[Snacks]

thats the biggest problem i have with your list. In my opinion, eli is top ten cause there is really only 10-12 QBs who are good. if you think eli is a good solid quarterback, which is EXACTLY how i value him by the way. I do not think he is in elite class but i think spoon was pretty right on with him in that next class. He is a good solid QB who handles pressure moments as well or better than his other moments, can have huge games and win you some games himself, but also unleashes a few terrible throws and games here and there. when he is hot he can play as well as anyone.

But i dont think there is more than like 10 or so guys who fit that discription. Thats why i cant understand you having him 15th or behind guys who havent shown they can do that stuff yet, SB or not. Rivers has no SB, but i have him ahead of eli cause he showed he can do all that stuff and is a physically better QB. Its not homerism, its logic and sense

the only reason i ranked him lower is because im higher on Freeman, Bradford etc and see their upside. So i decided to give them the boost. Do i see a problem to put eli ahead of them? no but im really liking those 2 guys and Cassel looked good last year. So take into consideration that im high on some young guys (even stafford but hes always hurt) and that eli lead the league in ints now for his 2nd time and that he lost his 2 or 3 guys from his o line i decided to drop him to the 14 -15 area from 10 or 11.

[Snoogans]

the only reason i ranked him lower is because im higher on Freeman, Bradford etc and see their upside. So i decided to give them the boost. Do i see a problem to put eli ahead of them? no but im really liking those 2 guys and Cassel looked good last year. So take into consideration that im high on some young guys (even stafford but hes always hurt) and that eli lead the league in ints now for his 2nd time and that he lost his 2 or 3 guys from his o line i decided to drop him to the 14 -15 area from 10 or 11.

look i like freeman alot too. and bradford. and on freeman, i can sorta understand you projecting things cause he had a great year, i think 7th in rating. he was up there. But bradford was 25th in rating, his flashes were minor at best. All he showed in college is he will probably hurt his shoulder at some point. That one makes no sense. But even still you cant project that much for a list of right now. you didnt say my best 15 in 2 years. Right now there is no way freeman, cassel, bradford are better than eli. they havent really shown they can do it. Cassel a little more than others but still he hasnt been as good as eli and he isnt exactly young. he is basically a year or so younger than carson palmer

[Snoogans]

Indisputable proof eli is as good or better than Tom Brady (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/2338/the-numbers-dont-e-lie-comparing-manning-and-brady)


Super Bowl Victories Since the 2005-06 Season: Manning 1, Brady 0.
Appearances in Overly Earnest Watch Commercials: Manning 1, Brady 0.
Two-Sport Ability at Rapidly Eating Sandwich Cookies: Manning 1, Brady 0.
Egg Bowl Victories While Playing QB at Ole Miss: Manning 2, Brady 0.
Invitations to the Manning Family Thanksgiving Dinner: Manning 30, Brady 0.

[cougarjake13]

Indisputable proof eli is as good or better than Tom Brady (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/2338/the-numbers-dont-e-lie-comparing-manning-and-brady)

that first one is indisputable


but by no means do i think he is better than brady

[Snoogans]

that first one is indisputable


but by no means do i think he is better than brady

dude obviously that article is a joke

[cougarjake13]

dude obviously that article is a joke

yeh i know thats why i didnt mention the other comparisons

[cougarjake13]

as a giants fan and the same should go for all giants fans we should be eternally grateful for eli doing what kerry collins could not



but unless he wins at least one more in his career you cant even say he's better than simms let alone brady

[Snoogans]

as a giants fan and the same should go for all giants fans we should be eternally grateful for eli doing what kerry collins could not



but unless he wins at least one more in his career you cant even say he's better than simms let alone brady

no one said he was better than brady. God i love the fuckin media. Eli said he considers himself to be in the elite class along with brady. he never actually even said he was as good.

And yes, Eli is better than phil simms. I loved phil, but stop it. He didnt have half the tools eli has.