"Hot Coffee"

[foodcourtdruide]

Has anyone else seen this documentary? I know Ron bought it up on the show. It's currently on HBO On Demand. It's really an amazing look at Tort Reform and The Chamber of Commerce. I had always heard the "woman spills hot coffee and sues" headline as a joke, but watching this makes me think otherwise. After you see the extent of her injuries and how McDonalds had no answer for totally ignoring OVER SEVEN-HUNDRED previous complaints, it's hard to still look at it as a comical situation.

[KnoxHarrington]

Has anyone else seen this documentary? I know Ron bought it up on the show. It's currently on HBO On Demand. It's really an amazing look at Tort Reform and The Chamber of Commerce. I had always heard the "woman spills hot coffee and sues" headline as a joke, but watching this makes me think otherwise. After you see the extent of her injuries and how McDonalds had no answer for totally ignoring OVER SEVEN-HUNDRED previous complaints, it's hard to still look at it as a comical situation.

Yeah, the whole thing has been painted as some dumb old broad to stupid to put her coffee cup in her car's cup holder getting eleventy billion dollars for burning her cooch, but when you actually look at what was going on, McDonald's was serving coffee at damn near the boiling point -- as much as 190 degrees -- and as you mentioned, there had been complaints.

I mean, I've spilled coffee on myself. It was uncomfortable, but it didn't give me third degree burns.

[StanUpshaw]

When will the Jimmy Dean sausitch man get his recompense? I mean...he filed a complaint, too!

[foodcourtdruide]

Yeah, the whole thing has been painted as some dumb old broad to stupid to put her coffee cup in her car's cup holder getting eleventy billion dollars for burning her cooch, but when you actually look at what was going on, McDonald's was serving coffee at damn near the boiling point -- as much as 190 degrees -- and as you mentioned, there had been complaints.

I mean, I've spilled coffee on myself. It was uncomfortable, but it didn't give me third degree burns.

I spilled coffee all over my hand at Au Bon Pain the other day, if it had been at Mcdonalds circa 2000 I would have had to get a skin graft!

[StanUpshaw]

I spilled coffee all over my hand at Au Bon Pain the other day, if it had been at Mcdonalds circa 2000 I would have had to get a skin graft!

You can't possibly believe that.

[foodcourtdruide]

You can't possibly believe that.

Why not? The temperature of the Mcdonalds coffee was like 180 degrees (which was specifically stated in their manual for workers.). If you have water of temperature 150 degrees on your hands for more than 2 seconds you will get third degree burns.

http://www.accuratebuilding.com/services/legal/charts/hot_water_burn_scalding_graph.html

[StanUpshaw]

Well, I guess I shouldn't make such assumptions, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that your hands are a little tougher than an 80 year old's twat skin.

Plus you said it was a spill, so it was probably in contact with you for a fraction of a second, not soaking in your cotton clothes.

[foodcourtdruide]

Well, I guess I shouldn't make such assumptions, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that your hands are a little tougher than an 80 year old's twat skin.

Plus you said it was a spill, so it was probably in contact with you for a fraction of a second, not soaking in your cotton clothes.

It was her thigh, have you seen the pictures?

It was about 10 seconds and it poured all over my hand. Have you been to an Au Bon Pain? (I didn't mean that in a sarcastic jerky way, I'm curious). It's self-serve, the one by my job is really busy in the morning, I poured my coffee and I was going over to put milk into it and someone bumped my arm. The coffee spilled all over my hand and wrist, becuase it was crowded and because I still had a cup of hot coffee in my hand no where to place it, I couldn't clean off my hand for about 10 seconds. The idea of suing had never occurred to me, but if I had to go to the hospital and get a skin graft, would i have? I don't know. If their coffee was hot enough to cause a serious injury like the one the woman sustained, I'd consider it.

[Snoogans]

damn, i thought this thread was gonna be about GTA San Andreas

[foodcourtdruide]

damn, i thought this thread was gonna be about GTA San Andreas

It is. That's what we're talking about.

[StanUpshaw]

I just can't comprehend what kind of life you've led that would allow you to live in fear of a coffee burn. But there's no use arguing it. Everything about this is absurd...there's a reason people treat it like a joke.

[foodcourtdruide]

I just can't comprehend what kind of life you've led that would allow you to live in fear of a coffee burn. But there's no use arguing it. Everything about this is absurd...there's a reason people treat it like a joke.

The reason is that they were misinformed by the media. In the documentary they go around asking people about the story and they have the facts completely mixed up.

1. She wasn't driving, she was a passenger in the car.
2. She had to get a skin graft and got INCREDIBLY AWFUL burns. She didn't just "get burned by the coffee".
3. The jury assigned 20% of blame to her, since she did spill the coffee.
4. McDonalds ignored SEVEN-HUNDRED prior incidents.
5. It was in the McDonalds employee hand-book to keep the coffee at an unsafe temperature.

The documentary itself talks about how major corporations (through the chamber of commerce) have gone to great lengths to push the idea of tort reform and limit the powers in the bill of rights given to the individual vs the large corporation.

It's not absurd. McDonalds is a major corporation that ignored the safety of their customers for short-term profits. Think about it, the coffee was at a DANGEROUS temperature, and you sell it at the drive-thru, and also require the customer to put the cream/sugar in themselves?

[StanUpshaw]

Again, if you believe they should be punished, there's nothing I can say that will sway you. The way you and I think is so VASTLY different that there's no use discussing it.


But anyway...I don't understand the significance of the SEVEN-HUNDRED COMPLAINTS. Is that a lot? Over 10 years and billions of customers, does 700 complaints really represent a problem? How many complaints have they had since lowering the temperature? I find it hard to get upset over some random number with no context.

EDIT: I found one source that said McDonald's claimed they sold 10 Billion cups of coffee during that period. That works out to one complaint for every 14 million cups of coffee sold. THOSE HEARTLESS BASTARDS!!!!!!!

[foodcourtdruide]

Again, if you believe they should be punished, there's nothing I can say that will sway you. The way you and I think is so VASTLY different that there's no use discussing it.


But anyway...I don't understand the significance of the SEVEN-HUNDRED COMPLAINTS. Is that a lot? Over 10 years and billions of customers, does 700 complaints really represent a problem? How many complaints have they had since lowering the temperature? I find it hard to get upset over some random number with no context.

EDIT: I found one source that said McDonald's claimed they sold 10 Billion cups of coffee during that period. That works out to one complaint for every 14 million cups of coffee sold. THOSE HEARTLESS BASTARDS!!!!!!!

What's the source?

[StanUpshaw]

http://www.okbar.org/public/judges/mcdonaldsoutline.pdf

[underdog]

While watching the movie, the CEO of Haliburton's name popped up, so I decided to read about him. Apparently he used to work for Arthur Andersen, as well. Rich people are just fucking with us.

Also, has anything ever been released that made Haliburton look slightly not evil?

[TripleSkeet]

Ill never make fun of that lady again. If anything she deserved more then she got. She wouldnt have even sued if they wouldve taken care of her medical bills, something I think they shouldve done. Instead they offered her $800 for skin grafts on both her thighs. Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

Of course there are some people that think this lady lucked into a payday, and those morons will never be swayed. Which was the exact goal of McDonalds and the other big corporations when they exploited this ladys case to try and get tort reform passed.

Just another reason cementing my opinion that big corporations and their practices are the devil and are destroying this country piece by piece.

[Dudeman]

Ill never make fun of that lady again. If anything she deserved more then she got. She wouldnt have even sued if they wouldve taken care of her medical bills, something I think they shouldve done. Instead they offered her $800 for skin grafts on both her thighs. Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

Of course there are some people that think this lady lucked into a payday, and those morons will never be swayed. Which was the exact goal of McDonalds and the other big corporations when they exploited this ladys case to try and get tort reform passed.

Just another reason cementing my opinion that big corporations and their practices are the devil and are destroying this country piece by piece.

Would you support a law regulating coffee temp. McD's didn't make their decision after 700 complaints because it wasn't hurting their bottom line. It took a lady getting horrible burns for change to occur.

[Dudeman]

Ill never make fun of that lady again. If anything she deserved more then she got. She wouldnt have even sued if they wouldve taken care of her medical bills, something I think they shouldve done. Instead they offered her $800 for skin grafts on both her thighs. Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

Of course there are some people that think this lady lucked into a payday, and those morons will never be swayed. Which was the exact goal of McDonalds and the other big corporations when they exploited this ladys case to try and get tort reform passed.

Just another reason cementing my opinion that big corporations and their practices are the devil and are destroying this country piece by piece.

Would you support a law regulating coffee temp. McD's didn't make their decision after 700 complaints because it wasn't hurting their bottom line. It took a lady getting horrible burns for change to occur.

[foodcourtdruide]

http://www.okbar.org/public/judges/mcdonaldsoutline.pdf

2 1/2 million cups a day. So once a week someone would file a complaint. I don't think that's as statistically trivial as McDonalds was trying to make it out to be.

And there were only 700 KNOWN incidents.

[Chigworthy]

2 1/2 million cups a day. So once a week someone would file a complaint. I don't think that's as statistically trivial as McDonalds was trying to make it out to be.

And there were only 700 KNOWN incidents.

Think of all the UNKNOWN incidents. I'm searching the internet for that number right now. BRB.

[cougarjake13]

i was one of those people who was misinformed


i always believed it was like everyone joked

just some dumb lady who spilled it on herself and got a huge payday

[KnoxHarrington]

Would you support a law regulating coffee temp. McD's didn't make their decision after 700 complaints because it wasn't hurting their bottom line. It took a lady getting horrible burns for change to occur.

And the bullshit being spread about this case is used to try to get "tort reform" into place that would pretty much dismantle the most effective mechanism people have for holding corporations responsible for their negligence.

But, yeah, free markets will take care of us all!

[spoon]

i was one of those people who was misinformed


i always believed it was like everyone joked

just some dumb lady who spilled it on herself and got a huge payday

Same here. I'll have to check this shit out.

Oh and nice theory in place with that Walmart suit vs women, or the other way as it occurred. Too big to be wrong as it now seemingly sets up. Being as HUGE as some of these companies are, the number of issues will always LOOK trivial, but it doesn't mean they aren't real. The facts here say the issue was in fact real and should have been taken care of easily if not ignored. Any logic person would have made the adjustments needed easily, but most in big business don't have any authority to do shit, just as they want it.

[Chigworthy]

How many of you will no longer support McDonalds financially? How many people who watch the movie and agree with it will not spend any more money there? That is where the true power of the people lies in this country, not in lawsuits. But McDonalds will continue to thrive because we are always willing to shelve out standards during an impulse feedbagging.



By the way, I haven't seen the movie, so I'm probably way off.

[foodcourtdruide]

How many of you will no longer support McDonalds financially? How many people who watch the movie and agree with it will not spend any more money there? That is where the true power of the people lies in this country, not in lawsuits. But McDonalds will continue to thrive because we are always willing to shelve out standards during an impulse feedbagging.



By the way, I haven't seen the movie, so I'm probably way off.

It shouldn't have to come down to "I will not support his company anymore because of this". The purpose of the court system is that companies that cheat are held accountable. McDonalds did something wrong, but then had to pay financial restitution. I'm OK with that, and hopefully to avoid having to pay further financial penalties McDonalds (and similar companies) will be more careful in the future.

What scares the shit out of me is the "neutral" arbitration clause that almost every company seems to sneak into their contracts with customers. The true objectivist would say, "well, just don't purchase products that have "neutral" arbitration if you're concerned about it" Unfortunately, if EVERY product has it (and that's currently what's happening, this morning I saw even NetFlix has a "neutral" abitration they've snuck into their terms and conditions!) This is scary because corporations have purposefully or by happenstance colluded and found a work-around for government protections of the individual vs the corporation.

[Chigworthy]

It shouldn't have to come down to "I will not support his company anymore because of this". The purpose of the court system is that companies that cheat are held accountable. McDonalds did something wrong, but then had to pay financial restitution. I'm OK with that, and hopefully to avoid having to pay further financial penalties McDonalds (and similar companies) will be more careful in the future.

What scares the shit out of me is the "neutral" arbitration clause that almost every company seems to sneak into their contracts with customers. The true objectivist would say, "well, just don't purchase products that have "neutral" arbitration if you're concerned about it" Unfortunately, if EVERY product has it (and that's currently what's happening, this morning I saw even NetFlix has a "neutral" abitration they've snuck into their terms and conditions!) This is scary because corporations have purposefully or by happenstance colluded and found a work-around for government protections of the individual vs the corporation.

Why support an entity that has to be forced into accountability? Everything I read in this thread talks about what a terrible company McDonalds is for burning this old broad's clit off when they knew there was a problem. If that is true, why would you ever support them?

[booster11373]

Why support an entity that has to be forced into accountability? Everything I read in this thread talks about what a terrible company McDonalds is for burning this old broad's clit off when they knew there was a problem. If that is true, why would you ever support them?

How many people would have to stop buying their product before they felt the hit? Every person on this board and their extended families could choose to stop buying their product and it would be a drop in the bucket that the corporation would never feel. Just look how this issue has been mis-represented by the media and tell me that these companies respond positively to their customers.

[underdog]

How many of you will no longer support McDonalds financially? How many people who watch the movie and agree with it will not spend any more money there? That is where the true power of the people lies in this country, not in lawsuits. But McDonalds will continue to thrive because we are always willing to shelve out standards during an impulse feedbagging.

It's also exactly why a true free market would never work. People just don't give a fuck enough to make a change.

[Dudeman]

It's also exactly why a true free market would never work. People just don't give a fuck enough to make a change.

It isn't even just a matter of people giving a fuck or even thinking that they are susceptible to the same problems that affect other people. It is also a matter of publicity- this story even made it to the press but was still originally twisted into blaming the victim and the lawyer, not the corporation.

And take another similar story- the salmonella in peanut butter a few months ago (or the e coli in jack in the box in the 90's, or e coli in the sprouts in europe this year. If that was left =up to the free market- ie no FDA- how much more of those stories would we have, and how in the hell would the free market even hold the company responsible if there was no government agency to figure out what was causing the problem and making the connection. Charities? Churches?

[Snoogans]

http://i1-games.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/9-47_2.jpg

[StanUpshaw]

If that was left =up to the free market- ie no FDA- how much more of those stories would we have, and how in the hell would the free market even hold the company responsible if there was no government agency to figure out what was causing the problem and making the connection. Charities? Churches?

There are thousands of consumer advocacy organizations, product testing labs, professional orgs, and accreditation bodies that exist already. If there were no FDA, there would be more.

[Dudeman]

There are thousands of consumer advocacy organizations, product testing labs, professional orgs, and accreditation bodies that exist already. If there were no FDA, there would be more.

like what? what are these non-gov accrediatation bodies and professional orgs? i'm not familiar with any that have any real power. where do they get their money to operate? what can they really do- why would any company allow them to do inspections, not just after the fact sampling.

[sailor]

so, what temp does coffee need to be brewed at? 180 sounds totally reasonable to serve it at.

[spoon]

so, what temp does coffee need to be brewed at? 180 sounds totally reasonable to serve it at.

179 you fucking animal!

[A.J.]

Just put some balm on it.

http://www.huydang.com/rolemodels/uploaded_images/JackieChiles-ShesFlauntingSocietysConventions-small-700213.jpg

[Chigworthy]

Drinkin Hot Coffee. Hot Coffee. Drinkin Hot Cofee. Hot Cofee. Singin' at my balls!

[Melk]

Just put some balm on it.

http://www.huydang.com/rolemodels/uploaded_images/JackieChiles-ShesFlauntingSocietysConventions-small-700213.jpg
Um.... why did this thread have to become more political?

[TripleSkeet]

Would you support a law regulating coffee temp. McD's didn't make their decision after 700 complaints because it wasn't hurting their bottom line. It took a lady getting horrible burns for change to occur.

No. The law doesnt need to regulate it. But if something like this does happen then McDonalds should be able to be held responsible. The whole point of the film was how big corporations and their checkbooks have figured out ways to get out of being held accountable for their actions.

The fact that they can now legally buy politicians and judges (U.S. Chamber of Commerce), is disgusting in its own right. Not to mention the way they sneak arbitration only resolutions into contracts for just about everything anymore. The people in this country are pretty much helpless and slaves to big corporations anymore. Its easy to say "just dont use them" but how the fuck are you supposed to work and get by without stuff like credit cards and cell phones nowadays???

[booster11373]

I would love to know when and who came up with the whole agree to pay a fine but do not take any responsibility for wrong doing thing that I here when large suits are settled

There is a special place in hell for that asshat

[StanUpshaw]

Why don't we sue Ford for making cars that go too fast?

If 700 burn in 10 years is unacceptable, surely 2.5 million injuries and 40,000 deaths per year is the corporate equivalent of the holocaust.

[cougarjake13]

Why don't we sue Ford for making cars that go too fast?

If 700 burn in 10 years is unacceptable, surely 2.5 million injuries and 40,000 deaths per year is the corporate equivalent of the holocaust.



we could prob do that for every product, service, or food and beverage

at that point we all should just let the machines take over like in matrix and keep us safe in those embryionic sac things they used us for energy

[Snoogans]

we could prob do that for every product, service, or food and beverage

at that point we all should just let the machines take over like in matrix and keep us safe in those embryionic sac things they used us for energy

im pretty sure thats stans point

[cougarjake13]

im pretty sure thats stans point



yeh i figured

i was agreeing

[spoon]

yes no difference in pushing a pedal and being handed a hot coffee

[StanUpshaw]

yes no difference in pushing a pedal and being handed a hot coffee

Sorry, I'm feeling a little Jakeish right now...are you agreeing or being sarcastic?

[StanUpshaw]

like what? what are these non-gov accrediatation bodies and professional orgs? i'm not familiar with any that have any real power. where do they get their money to operate? what can they really do- why would any company allow them to do inspections, not just after the fact sampling.

Do some research yourself and you might actually learn something. But for starters:
American Medical Association
American Bar Association
Financial Industry Regulatory Authority

[spoon]

Do some research yourself and you might actually learn something. But for starters:
American Medical Association
American Bar Association
Financial Industry Regulatory Authority

very few docs much less believe in the AMA versus are actually regulated by it

after their endorsement of the last medical bill, many are even more distanced to say the least

And the answer to your question is both and neither.

[Dudeman]

Do some research yourself and you might actually learn something. But for starters:
American Medical Association
American Bar Association
Financial Industry Regulatory Authority

They're going to test our food supply for E. Coli???

[StanUpshaw]

Strawman strikes again!

[Dudeman]

Strawman strikes again!

It was a totally direct response to what he said those other organizations could do. Follow our conversation, or stay out.

[StanUpshaw]

It was a totally direct response to what he said those other organizations could do. Follow our conversation, or stay out.

The conversation was with me, you fucking retard.

[Crispy123]

Did you hear the one about the lady who bought coffee at Mcdonalds and burned herself?

She got AIDS from a retarded nigger fag lawyer. Stupid cunt.

[keithy_19]

Also, has anything ever been released that made Haliburton look slightly not evil?

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/71157_12521400761_2692354_n.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_S-Ukz38mIwE/TBv-d2XXmqI/AAAAAAAAAUs/xoxqDJ1_-yM/s1600/slip_n_slide.jpg

That's from the company picnic.

[keithy_19]

You should've seen me before that whole coffee accident.
http://blog.bodynsolesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/grimace.gif

http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/2011/02/natalie-portman-oscars-2011.jpg

[Dudeman]

The conversation was with me, you fucking retard.

i know :thumbup:

[Snacks]

Great Doc!

Let me ask this question 1st. Is there a more despicable, disgusting, piece of shit of a man then Karl Rove? He seems to be in every movie, doc, article etc that talks about how he orchestrated something that fucks citizens while benefiting business and the very rich!

This movie was put together perfectly and really shows how the media doesnt do their job and is just as bad and compliant as these special interest groups. First there needs to be reform for elections. No company no group and no special interest should be allowed to funnel money to get who they want elected. They should make it public money, everyone gets the same amount and no special interest should be able to buy air time. How people continue to vote for repubs is beyond me. They do nothing to help the avg American. Everything they do is to take away our rights. Im so tired of hearing how "This current president is destroying our country" No its not the president it these assholes, corp American, the right and all these special interest groups who pass themselves off as small little grass roots org.

As for arbitration. Fine keep it but make it court appointed not picked and chosen by the group being sued. But to allow these companies to add these hidden notes and changes to contracts should be illegal. Also lets be honest you have to be a lawyer to understand the language in almost anything you sign now a days. Maybe they should pass a law that these things we sign should be larger, easier to read, not so long and more to the point and easier for the common person to understand. This way maybe people will actually read what they are signing.

As for the judge who was indicted. Another case of this country and our legal system being fucked up. Anyone at anytime can be indicted and charges could be either made up or trumped up just to make you look like a criminal. If you get the wrong person with power and or money pissed at you in America you are in trouble. How was this Diaz judge indicted but Karl Rove has never been? There is no way in hell everything Rove has done is legal!

So angered right now after watching this. I felt so bad for that women who was raped and couldnt get her day in court (Til now)!

As for the coffee case. I couldnt believe how badly burnt she was. Im sure some of it had to do with what she was wearing and her age but who cares. For anyone to look at her and those burns and not think she deserved something then they are heartless. I still dont understand how she was awarded 2..6 or so million and the judge decided to lower it to around 1/2 million. That was before caps (which there should be no such thing as caps) so how does this go to the jury and the judge then takes away their power and their award? Makes no sense and shouldnt be allowed.

[TripleSkeet]

Great Doc!

Let me ask this question 1st. Is there a more despicable, disgusting, piece of shit of a man then Karl Rove? He seems to be in every movie, doc, article etc that talks about how he orchestrated something that fucks citizens while benefiting business and the very rich!

This movie was put together perfectly and really shows how the media doesnt do their job and is just as bad and compliant as these special interest groups. First there needs to be reform for elections. No company no group and no special interest should be allowed to funnel money to get who they want elected. They should make it public money, everyone gets the same amount and no special interest should be able to buy air time. How people continue to vote for repubs is beyond me. They do nothing to help the avg American. Everything they do is to take away our rights. Im so tired of hearing how "This current president is destroying our country" No its not the president it these assholes, corp American, the right and all these special interest groups who pass themselves off as small little grass roots org.

As for arbitration. Fine keep it but make it court appointed not picked and chosen by the group being sued. But to allow these companies to add these hidden notes and changes to contracts should be illegal. Also lets be honest you have to be a lawyer to understand the language in almost anything you sign now a days. Maybe they should pass a law that these things we sign should be larger, easier to read, not so long and more to the point and easier for the common person to understand. This way maybe people will actually read what they are signing.

As for the judge who was indicted. Another case of this country and our legal system being fucked up. Anyone at anytime can be indicted and charges could be either made up or trumped up just to make you look like a criminal. If you get the wrong person with power and or money pissed at you in America you are in trouble. How was this Diaz judge indicted but Karl Rove has never been? There is no way in hell everything Rove has done is legal!

So angered right now after watching this. I felt so bad for that women who was raped and couldnt get her day in court (Til now)!

As for the coffee case. I couldnt believe how badly burnt she was. Im sure some of it had to do with what she was wearing and her age but who cares. For anyone to look at her and those burns and not think she deserved something then they are heartless. I still dont understand how she was awarded 2..6 or so million and the judge decided to lower it to around 1/2 million. That was before caps (which there should be no such thing as caps) so how does this go to the jury and the judge then takes away their power and their award? Makes no sense and shouldnt be allowed.

I was definitely pissed off after watching it. With the exception of the coffee incident nothing really surprised me, but it was still aggrivating to learn of all the ways corporate America finds to fuck over regular people in this country. It still amazes me how people vote Republican in this country. If you dont make at least $250,000 a year you are absolutely voting against your best interest every time. But as long as there are racists, gun nuts and holy rollers in this country they will always have a strong chance in every election.

[hanso]

Why Jamie Leigh Jones Lost Her KBR Rape Case

It's been the subject of congressional hearings and has inspired legislation. Jones even plays a starring role in the new documentary Hot Coffee, about efforts to limit access to the justice system.

Jones' charges fell on fertile ground, compounding KBR's reputation as a corporate scofflaw—all the more so when it came out that the firm's contract had included a mandatory arbitration clause intended to block employees from suing it.


Why Jamie Leigh Jones Lost Her KBR Rape Case
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/kbr-could-win-jamie-leigh-jones-rape-trial

[Snacks]

Why Jamie Leigh Jones Lost Her KBR Rape Case

It's been the subject of congressional hearings and has inspired legislation. Jones even plays a starring role in the new documentary Hot Coffee, about efforts to limit access to the justice system.

Jones' charges fell on fertile ground, compounding KBR's reputation as a corporate scofflaw—all the more so when it came out that the firm's contract had included a mandatory arbitration clause intended to block employees from suing it.


Why Jamie Leigh Jones Lost Her KBR Rape Case
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/kbr-could-win-jamie-leigh-jones-rape-trial

All I can say to this article is WOW! If the evidence is true then this girl might have some serious problems. When she said her breast area were disfigured I thought she was sliced up not that her breast implant may have popped which it turns out it didnt.

[Hosstetler]

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that your hands are a little tougher than an 80 year old's twat skin.

:lol::lol:

[TripleSkeet]

All I can say to this article is WOW! If the evidence is true then this girl might have some serious problems. When she said her breast area were disfigured I thought she was sliced up not that her breast implant may have popped which it turns out it didnt.

Why would she be dumb enough to force a trial instead of settling out of court if they had all of this on her? Is she retarded?

[Snacks]

Why would she be dumb enough to force a trial instead of settling out of court if they had all of this on her? Is she retarded?

There was no settlement offer from what I understand . I think she didnt want to the arb meeting she only wanted a trial ( i could be wrong about that) She might be crazy, after reading all the evidence and that fact that she made everything sound worse or lied about most and lied before about being raped, lied about her breast being disfigured, lied about being drugged, lied about being held in a storage container, lied about being gang raped, lied about her anus and vagina being torn up. The only thing we dont know if she lied about was if it was consensual or not and to be honest with all the other lies how could you not think she lied about that too when even the rape kit didnt show anything that could or couldnt be considered rape.

This is and odd story that seems to be 1 big lie. I believed her and my heart went out to her but when reading the actual evidence Im sicken that I fell for it!