Big Brother 13

[indymike]

Love it or hate it - BB13 is starting in a week. I'm still covering it on my sites bigbrothergossip.com and ilovereality.com - Paulisdead and a few others help out on Bigbrothergossip and we will also be doing a weekly podcast this season to discuss the show.

SO far the house pictures have been released - the theme is apparently Venice Beach.

If the memory wall is to be believed there will be 14 Hgs.

Julie said in one interview that there would be some 'dynamic duos' of former HGs that would have an effect on the game. Speculation abounds.

Interviews with the yet unseen HGs will start showing up around 9am eastern Thursday.

Show is on the same days this season as last season.

And there you have it! You can follow my twitter for the show @bbgossip

[Snacks]

I didnt know the i love reality site was someone from this board?! I have gone to that site for at least a couple of seasons. I have watched every season except 1 or maybe 2 season. I like the show but I dont like when they bring back guests from the past. Its usually people I hated. I hope they change the rules a little or at least stop with the twists. For the most part the twists hurt the game more then they help. I kind of wish they would go back to the 1st season when the viewers voted out the members that they nominated. It seems like every year the person who wins or goes far isnt liked by the viewers.

[indymike]

I didnt know the i love reality site was someone from this board?! I have gone to that site for at least a couple of seasons. I have watched every season except 1 or maybe 2 season. I like the show but I dont like when they bring back guests from the past. Its usually people I hated. I hope they change the rules a little or at least stop with the twists. For the most part the twists hurt the game more then they help. I kind of wish they would go back to the 1st season when the viewers voted out the members that they nominated. It seems like every year the person who wins or goes far isnt liked by the viewers.

Well I created ilovereality right before BB4 - hadn't heard of R&F then - I discovered them when they came to XM ;) I used to whore ilovereality when I called in to R&F but its been a couple seasons since I called in. Thanks for visiting and be sure to keep checking in!

They'll never go back to the viewer vote - the controversial characters go first and the drama for the most part would end.

Expect lots of 'twists' - more "pandora's boxes" - because that was a way BB was sort of able to manipulate the game (in my opinion). I also expect several former HGs to be involved but I don't think any will be back as players (hoping not) - we should know a lot more tomorrow.

[indymike]

Cast info released...

8 new HGs and they will be joined by "Dynamic Duos" (couples from previous seasons).

The alum couples are (or might be): Jeff/Jordan, Brendan/Rachel, Will/Boogie, Jesse/Natalie, Dick/Danielle and Hayde/Enzo

CBS has a page listing them all as possible - I am guessing they may have them all come in.

Not sure how I feel - I didn't want to see old faces but now that I do it might not be all that bad. Dick/Will in the house might be an interesting mix.

[Furtherman]

I look forward to Mikeyboy's updates.

[Jayw]

Looking forward to some big brother.

[cougarjake13]

whats a hg ??

[indymike]

Looking forward to some big brother.

That was American Idol silly!

whats a hg ??

houseguest - anyone playing the game

[cougarjake13]

That was American Idol silly!



houseguest - anyone playing the game

you know it was that obvious i missed it

thanks

[indymike]

Scott (paulisdead), myself and a couple others that help out @ bigbrothergossip recorded a show talking about Big Brother on Saturday - you can check it out here: http://www.bigbrothergossip.com/bbg/2011/7/2/introducing-the-big-brother-gossip-show.html

Check it out if you are interested - we plan on doing it once a week on Saturday's.

[Snacks]

Not loving the way they are doing this season. First they bring back 6 former house guests which sucks. But then they make everyone team up in teams of 2. They play as a team but get nominated as a team but only against each other. 1 gets evicted and 1 stays and has immunity for up to 4 weeks (the final 10). Im guessing then they will either regroup and match up the 4 to 2 new teams or thats when it becomes an individual game!

I hate evel Dick more then any player in the history of BB and Rachel is so annoying with her laugh and the " I love you babes"!

It might be interesting but I dont like that how people will go home early. I think it their way to keep newbies if the 6 former players team up or to kepp some former players if the newbies teamed up to get rid of the former players! Either way stop with bringing back former contestants.

It always makes me laugh at how excited some get when they meet former players. They act like they are meeting the biggest celebs ever. I wouldnt give a shit because they are nothing more then reality game players. I was happy to see that Dom didnt care or even know most of them!

The new players I like so far

Cassi - she is so sexy and seems so nice and down to earth.
Dom - seems like a nice kid lets see how long that lasts.
Adam - I didnt like him at 1st but he actually seems like a nice fun guy.
Porche - seems to be playing it up for the camera but I think shes might be a lot different then she is portraying.
Lawon - I like him but if he is always "on" I will eventually not like him but for now he seems like a fun character.

The other 3 didnt love or make good first impressions. The chubby girl who wants to be or thinks she the prissy bitch from sex in the city annoyed me from the second she spoke. The preacher and his flirting and thinking god wants him to be fruitful by basically being a player is 1 of the many reasons I hate religious people. They use the bible and take out of it what they want. The hunter/older lady just isnt my cup of tea and her saying "look like a lady act like a man..." put me off. I dont like when you dont act like yourself and she seems to thinks she needs to be something she aint!

As usual I will be watching even if I dont like some of the people and the set up of this season. I hope others watch and come back here often to discuss!

[sailor]

Watched big brother for the first time ever last night. I had no idea the people could be so hateable. I agree with snacks about evil dick and that other chick being the worst (in addition to the black preacher who's all about the pussy).

Anyone notice the one chick looks like a fat Gabrielle union?

[indymike]

What was shown last night most likely only covered Saturday - Sunday of this week in the house.

Feeds went live last night and there was a HUGE development - warning - SPOILER ahead......
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READY???

Dick is out of the house. Gone - out - personal reasons - we don't know why - even Danielle his daughter doesn't know why - we are just guessing he had some type of family emergency (that wouldn't affect Danielle). He was called into the Diary Room around 8pm Eastern last night (before the feeds turned on by the way) and never came out.

More spoilers....

Keith and Porsche nominated
Lawon, Kalia, Shelly and Cassie are Have Nots
Danielle now has the first golden key and is safe for 4 weeks.
I am speculating they will just skip a double eviction week as a way to not mess up the schedule since they are down one already.

I'll miss Evel Dick - love him or hate him he made the show interesting. Hope whatever cause him to leave wasn't too serious.

[sailor]

Guess I'll never be able to come here and discuss this show again. :(

[Snacks]

another thing that sucks about the show is they seem so far behind when airing shit. I knew about Dick last night before bed but no one knew why. I read he has cancer, or his video from his site gave away too much info so the kicked him off...

I think it actually helped Danielle. She now has immunity and play the game 4 weeks building friendships without having people who voted against her knowing she still in the game. They should have brought in another partner for her like that guy she was hooking up with on the show during her season or the girl Jen. Im sure she would have jumped at the chance to be back on the show.

[paulisded]

I don't think it has anything to do with his video, as there's nothing on it that reveals anything and it wasn't uploaded until after the world knew he was on the show. It's really no different than Daniele continuing to do her Real podcast up until she was in the house.

[Snacks]

so they never gave a reason, and the dick himself didnt give a reason and wont. Im happy hes gone because hes such a douche.

The Porsche girl pissed me off that she went right to the other side no questions asked. These newbies are fools and fall for their shit. I really like the young guy, he seems to have balls and not falling for the vets bullshit. Adam and his rocker growl/scream is starting to get on mine nerves so I hope he goes soon. Fat girl with the weird nostrils is just as stupid as Porsche wanting to go to the vets to ask them what they think. Keith needs to calm down and wait to get the votes before he pisses his own people off and gets back doored!

This season could really be the worst ever but we will have to watch to see. Nothing else was on tonight so its still worth watching for now!

[indymike]

so they never gave a reason, and the dick himself didnt give a reason and wont. Im happy hes gone because hes such a douche.



I posted a clip of a statement dick made - he had a friend in need - he really never explained any more - but you can listen to the main part of his explanation here: http://bit.ly/WhyDickLeft

I won't spoil and tick off the admins ;)

Tonight's eviction may make a few jaws drop - some think one person is going and it should be the other.

vague enough?

[Snacks]

I posted a clip of a statement dick made - he had a friend in need - he really never explained any more - but you can listen to the main part of his explanation here: http://bit.ly/WhyDickLeft

I won't spoil and tick off the admins ;)

Tonight's eviction may make a few jaws drop - some think one person is going and it should be the other.

vague enough?

I hope its Porsche because she is already working with the Vets but it might be Keith because he looked stupid yesterday and might have alienated his own newbies. I also think the old lady who talks like a guy is so star struck she is about to follow whatever the vets say as well.

[Snacks]

Tonight was proof of why I hate this game sometimes and why I always hate when they bring in "vets" "celebs" or whatever you want to call them. You always have idiots who jump ship and play with the vets because they are so afraid of the game. The fat, huge nostrils black girl and the old, tom boy white trash lady jumped ship and then immediately make a face like omg what just happened and saying shit like "someones gonna pay". Please it is so obvious they would jump because they both have no back bone and both were star struck even though the vets arent stars. The funny thing is, if they used their brains they would realize the best they could do with the vets is top 7. With the newbies they could go top 7 as well but they could still have their partner with them if they never got put up. Now there own partners wont trust them so even if they make it far enough they will have no loyalty to their partner because their partner did stick with them early. If they stuck with their partner early and avoided being nominated in the first 4 weeks (now only 2 weeks left really) they would have that advantage of all the newbies and their own partner. Now they will be by themselves with the vets but eventually all alone 5 vs 1 or 5 vs 2 nothing better. Stupid fucking idiots!

[Snacks]

...and just like the last time they played Jeff gives a win to Jordan and that dumb blonde wins HOH. For some reason I cant stand her. Shes so dumb and all she does is play with her hair. Adam and Dom will be nominated imho because there is no one else to nominate that they will fear. This game is already unfair 1 week in.

Why did Rachel get to choose the order? Big Brother is doing everything they can to give the vets wins and to keep the so called fan favs as long as possible.

After this week and Dom goes home there is no reason for the newbies to even play.

The more I look at that the old, tom boy, white trash bitch the more Im hating her!

[Jayw]

Seriously these vet/newbie games are so fucking dumb. The newbies are newbies for a reason they never make a fucking play, ever. Whether survivor or this. What fucking idiots, they should of sent porche home because the black guy actually had a decent plan to keep them(newbies) in the game.

Fucking morons.

[Snacks]

I HATE this season. After all the shit Rachel says she still does basically what Rachel wanted. Jordan has no balls. They would have had a strong alliance with cassi, the old white trash lady, Dom, rocker dude and probably even Danielle. Now Cassi will go and there is no reason to watch this season.

You know the producers talked her out of it. They might not have directly said dont nominate them but they said things and talked to her during diary sessions to discourage at the very least. This is bull shit. This was the perfect time to break up a power couple, to get everyone else on your side and to make a strong move. Instead they left them there to do the same thing to them instead.

[sailor]

Totally disagree. If they nominate rachel's team this week, they are nominated next week (unless they beat out the other three teams for HOH). NEXT week is the week to stab (as it should be the end of the "teams" portion). Oh, and Adam is infuriatingly dumb. The veterans had to think he voted for them last week, but the idiot confesses he stabbed them in the back, but please give him another chance!

[Snacks]

Totally disagree. If they nominate rachel's team this week, they are nominated next week (unless they beat out the other three teams for HOH). NEXT week is the week to stab (as it should be the end of the "teams" portion). Oh, and Adam is infuriatingly dumb. The veterans had to think he voted for them last week, but the idiot confesses he stabbed them in the back, but please give him another chance!

I understand what youre saying but then they should have put up the Lawon guy and his fat bitch partner. Something tells me that Cassi would have stuck by them now its over for her unless she can get all the others to keep her. I doubt it because rach, brendan, porchea and danielle will call vote her out.

[sailor]

I understand what youre saying but then they should have put up the Lawon guy and his fat bitch partner. Something tells me that Cassi would have stuck by them now its over for her unless she can get all the others to keep her. I doubt it because rach, brendan, porchea and danielle will call vote her out.

9 nothing, wow. i thought not nominate cassi as well, but that wouldn't have worked. first, rachel wanted cassi gone; they went against that because they wanted dom gone. once the veto was played, to pick the blacks (who were no threat and no one had any ill feelings toward) over cassi would have been an outright fuck you to rachel. at that point, might as well have nominated rachel.

i hope the 9-0 helps pull the newbies together, but if they never win an hoh it won't matter.

[ZigZagBigBag]

watching this show without Cassi will blow. She was so unbelievably hot, it made my balls gurgle. Now i will have only Lawon to cheer for.

[Snacks]

I still dont like Kalia for what she did week 1 voting out who the vets said. But I was so happy she beat white trash, man lady shelly to win hoh. Shelly is so fake it makes me sick. She continues to talk out of both sides of her mouth, I cant believe they dont pick up on her BS? Im starting to hate her as much as I hated dick and Rachel. I think Kalia should nominate Rachel and Jeff and hope that Jeff wins the veto and then nominate Jordan because Rachel will go home!

Rachels is so fake too everything she says and does comes across as an act. Her crying her pouting everything. Its like shes always looking for sympathy. She acts like such a bully when she has power but then acts like she is so innocent and everyone is against her for no reason when she doesnt have power. She doesnt realize its because shes a nasty bitch?

This season still sucks and Im hoping Cassi comes back in the house other wise there is no other game play and its boring. I will be happier once Rachel is gone thats for sure.

[sailor]

Our little consensus is also that she'll nominate Jeff and Rachel and we hope Cassi comes back.

[Snacks]

I loved tonight eps because it showed the fake bitch that I always knew Jordan to be. The vets are so funny. When they had power they acted like assholes but now that they lost 2 weeks in a row they cant handle that they are the targets. Like when Jordan was crying about being a target when their are floaters. First she was a floater this season and the season she won. She had no business winning her season but won because Jeff. All she did that season was eat and pull on her hair. When she was telling Kalia you are getting 2 people mad at you was comical. Kalia even admitted no matter what 2 people would be mad. So why not try to get rid of a tougher player then a floater especially when the tougher players want her or Danielle gone?

I hope Kalia put Jordan on when Jeff takes himself off. I hate Rachel but maybe they decide to vote Jordan out because she is so likable and already won. Plus it will hurt Jeff and there will be no more duos left or at least duo vets.

[sailor]

I loved tonight eps because it showed the fake bitch that I always knew Jordan to be. The vets are so funny. When they had power they acted like assholes but now that they lost 2 weeks in a row they cant handle that they are the targets. Like when Jordan was crying about being a target when their are floaters. First she was a floater this season and the season she won. She had no business winning her season but won because Jeff. All she did that season was eat and pull on her hair. When she was telling Kalia you are getting 2 people mad at you was comical. Kalia even admitted no matter what 2 people would be mad. So why not try to get rid of a tougher player then a floater especially when the tougher players want her or Danielle gone?

I hope Kalia put Jordan on when Jeff takes himself off. I hate Rachel but maybe they decide to vote Jordan out because she is so likable and already won. Plus it will hurt Jeff and there will be no more duos left or at least duo vets.

Was coming here to basically type out that first paragraph. The veterans are such whiny bitches when they get nominated, but when they were working as a bloc to eliminate newbies it was just "playing the game".

If Rachel gets pulled off I say put up Jordan. If Jeff gets pulled off I'd go with someone like porsche.

[Snacks]

Was coming here to basically type out that first paragraph. The veterans are such whiny bitches when they get nominated, but when they were working as a bloc to eliminate newbies it was just "playing the game".

If Rachel gets pulled off I say put up Jordan. If Jeff gets pulled off I'd go with someone like porsche.

Why? I think if anyone comes off the block you have to put the left over vet up. If not there is a chance that all 3 vets stay and whoever gets put up goes home. I just read that if Jeff takes himself off the block Kalia is putting Adam up. Why do that, I think that will allow Rachel a chance to stay. Rach would get Jeff, Jordan, Shellys and Porches vote so she would stay because Adam would only get Danielle and Lawons vote.

[sailor]

Why? I think if anyone comes off the block you have to put the left over vet up. If not there is a chance that all 3 vets stay and whoever gets put up goes home. I just read that if Jeff takes himself off the block Kalia is putting Adam up. Why do that, I think that will allow Rachel a chance to stay. Rach would get Jeff, Jordan, Shellys and Porches vote so she would stay because Adam would only get Danielle and Lawons vote.

adam's a dumb choice. i see porsche as basically another veteran. i think she'd still win out over rachel. rachel would easily get eliminated against jordan, but not putting jordan against her would help to mend the rift with jeff; he'd see (maybe) that it wasn't personal.

[Snacks]

adam's a dumb choice. i see porsche as basically another veteran. i think she'd still win out over rachel. rachel would easily get eliminated against jordan, but not putting jordan against her would help to mend the rift with jeff; he'd see (maybe) that it wasn't personal.

I dont think there is any mending. No matter what if Jeff and Jordan are back next week and 1 of them win hoh they are putting up Kalia and Danielle. Which is funny because they were the same people telling Kalia to put up a floater like porche or lawon but I will guarantee you they wont do it they will put up kalia or dani!

[Jayw]

There is just something about Shelly that makes her unbearable to me. I can not fucking stand her at all. Everything about her just pisses me off, every moment she is on the screen.

I hope that Dominik gets a shot to come back and battle in the duel. I would like to see him get back in and team up with Danielle and run the house. Yet I can see Shelly fucking him up again the way she did to get him thrown out the first time.

Been watching a few after dark's on sho, definitely gives you a different view of the people. Watching Kalia on after dark she seems so fucking full of herself like shes running the house. I am rooting for danielle, but then I have to root for lawon and kalia which I am having a lot of trouble doing.

[Snacks]

There is just something about Shelly that makes her unbearable to me. I can not fucking stand her at all. Everything about her just pisses me off, every moment she is on the screen.

I hope that Dominik gets a shot to come back and battle in the duel. I would like to see him get back in and team up with Danielle and run the house. Yet I can see Shelly fucking him up again the way she did to get him thrown out the first time.

Been watching a few after dark's on sho, definitely gives you a different view of the people. Watching Kalia on after dark she seems so fucking full of herself like shes running the house. I am rooting for danielle, but then I have to root for lawon and kalia which I am having a lot of trouble doing.

I have been saying this about Shelly and Kalia since day 1. Shelly is like white trash and very manly. I hated her from her first comment when they showed her at home before she left for the show. Kalia thinks she is living the glamorous life and that she is so perfect and great. Im starting to like her a little because she is now playing the game and seems to realize some things that others arent. But they all kind of annoy me. I really dont think Im rooting for anyone left. I would like to see Dom or Cassi come back and would love 1 of them to win it all.

[sailor]

We're torn between Cassi and Dom, here. I'm totally hoping it's Cassi.

[Snacks]

We're torn between Cassi and Dom, here. I'm totally hoping it's Cassi.

I want Cassi because she seemed like a nice girl who just so happened to be hot. The only reason I wouldnt want her back in the house is she would work with Jeff and Jordan and Shelly. I cant stand Shelly so that would suck if she helped her. Dom is my 2nd choice and the main reason to bring him back is he would work against Jeff and Jordan and will actually play the game unlike some of the others that are still there!

[Snacks]

Im only 10 mins in to tonights eps. Rachel is nuts. She wonders how people hate her? Its because shes fake and crazy. When she was winning it was ok to be nasty and personal towards the others. Now she just doesnt get it.

As for Jordan and Jeff. I love how CBS and marketed them this year and for other shows as such good people blah blah blah. But now that they dont have the power they are mad that the "sheep" arent following them anymore but the others? Why was it ok for them to have people listen to them but its not ok that people flipped? I also dont like people who flip but the original newbies originally flipped and actually helped the vets, now they flipped back (for the most part it seems) and now spoiled, hair puller Jordan cant handle it?

I dont know who will go up when jeff pulls himself off but if Kalias crying and being upset that jeff and jordan dont like her is any indication i wouldnt be surprised if she is dumb enough to not put jordan up. She needs to stick to her game and nominate jordan or there is a chance rachel stays.

[Snacks]

Kalia is dumber then dog shit. Holy shit she was so worried about something she cant control that she just made the dumbest mistake of the season. I said it on sunday and I will say it again. Catering to Jeff wasnt going to change is mind. He may let you think but no matter what they are going to go after Danielle and Kalia next week if 1 of those 3 get HoH. They arent going to go after a floater even though they said others should they are going to go after threats and those who wronged them. Jeff just admitted it in his diary room and basically just called Kalia an idiot.

[sailor]

i can only hope rachel gets voted off, but it will be close. she, jeff and jordan were so obviously giddy at the veto ceremony it was sickening.

[Snacks]

i can only hope rachel gets voted off, but it will be close. she, jeff and jordan were so obviously giddy at the veto ceremony it was sickening.

who will vote to keep lawon? Its like Danielle and porche are already voting him out because they are just as afraid of the twist. i cant see how this works out to help danielle or kalia at all? I just hope that calli comes back not brendan!

[sailor]

who will vote to keep lawon? Its like Danielle and porche are already voting him out because they are just as afraid of the twist. i cant see how this works out to help danielle or kalia at all? I just hope that calli comes back not brendan!

yeah, i don't get these people. they keep acting like it's not a secret ballot and the other players will know who they voted for.

[Jayw]

Kalia can go suck a dick. Dumb ass bitch. She is so afraid to go against someone in the house(jeff) it is sickening. Does she think Jeff is suddenly going to be buddys with her now...

I got to say putting lawon in was the dumbest fucking thing. So being head of household she did absolutely nothing positive. Instead of getting an enemy out she might of just lost a person from her alliance. Possibly the worst HoH of all time?

And she did all this because she wants people to think shes thinking on her own. Well wtg you were thinking on your own and your an idiot. Just listen to dani and prosper... I don't see what is wrong by working with someone if it was going to get you to the end of the game.

I don't think I can even root for dani anymore if she is going to work with this clown. I actually like rachel ( i know i know), it is just so sad to watch these new people play, just when you think they might be doing something smart they flake out and act like bitches. these people are so lame i actually hope America fucking votes brandon back in and the veterans just vote the new people off 1 by 1.

[sailor]

the only way i want brandon coming back is if it's rachel he has to go against. that would be perfect.

[Jayw]

Ya i thought about that too. but it would be so lame because you know Brandon would be like, here you go fiance you take it, go back in the house blah blah blah.

I wouldnt slip it by the producers to pull that one though.

[ZigZagBigBag]

shelley looks like don knotts

[sailor]

Ya i thought about that too. but it would be so lame because you know Brandon would be like, here you go fiance you take it, go back in the house blah blah blah.

I wouldnt slip it by the producers to pull that one though.

True, but it would make her cry more. Btw, we are thinking that whoever wins the contest after the elimination tonight will be automatically HOH. They won't be able to do the vote and two contests live in one night.

[Snacks]

Are you fucking kidding me? First of all how does Brendan get voted back in over Dom or Cassi? Everything I read is how America loved Dom and Cassi and Brendan and Rachel are so hated.

2nd, Kalia is a fat piece of dog shit. I cant believe how pissed off i am over a tv reality show but her mistakes killed any shot of a decent 2nd half to the show. now the 2nd half of the season will be just like the 1st half but now there are 4 less newbies. I hope these dumb fuck join up with danielle and go against the vets like they should have at the beginning or this is over.

[sailor]

Absolute fix. They had an informal poll on their site saying who people voted for and it was Cassi and Dom by a ton. No way brandon won that vote. So furious over this all. Kindamfunny that the four people eliminated so far are the regulators.

I honestly don't want to watch it anymore.

[Jayw]

THE FIX IS IN.

What a surprise the competition was physical as well.

If there is any justice in this game I want kalia voted out next fucking week. and then danielle because she blew it too, she didn't put much resistence up to kalias dumb fucking ideas.

I have always been fan of brachel but i just was hoping there would at least be some resistance. Now all it is going to come down to is when it gets down to jeff/jorden/brand/rach who will win the competitions. Fun...........

Oh and be prepared to see a whole lot more of shelley, fucking awesome.

[Snacks]

I cant stand Shelly, she is the most annoying, nosy, manly bitch ever. The way she walks and talks is getting to me. Then she wears that gooey, shiny lipstick and kisses her nasty, chewed up, manly fingers right before she votes. How does anyone trust her? She just comes right up asks a million questions and then walks away and tells the other group. Everything she does is so obvious and even if its not as obvious to them as it is to us because we are watching they should at least be able to tell shes a liar by the voting and how everything they tell her seems to get back to the other side?!

Spoiler alert!

Danielle won HoH!!!!!!!!!! Im only happy because I hate Brenchel this season and have always disliked Jeff and Jordan especially since cbs loves to kiss their asses and cater to them. I actually originally liked J & J during their 1st season until Jeff got that special power and then acted like a dick after.

[Jayw]

Wow seeing shelly being nominated this week was fantastic.

The only thing better will be seeing her go home thursday.

She was all upset because rachel is passing 'information' when shes the one thats been playing both sides the entire game. what a bitch.

[Snacks]

Is Shelly that crazy that she doesnt know how she has been caught playing both sides and that she has been the one going back and forth telling everything to pretty much everyone? cant stand that bitch. I wouldnt have trusted Brenchael but if they live up to the deal then this was still a good nom because it will get rid of 1 fake ass 2 sided floater like Shelly or even Adam who has made every wrong decision.

[Snacks]

That was the best eps of the season by far. I would rather Danielle have stayed but the ned result was great. CBS has made Jeff and Jordan out to be this so likable couple but they are just as back stabbing and dirty as the rest. The only difference is they are so stupid that they come off as innocent. They had the same edit as last time where they would film them alone talking and because they are both dumb they wouldn't understand words or conversation so that made them endearing to many. I thought Kalia nominating Jeff was smart but she should have nom Jordan. It worked out but they should have then used the veto to get Rachel off the block to try to put her on their side and nom Jordan as the replacement. Then guarantee Jeff goes home while winning some points with Rachel.

It didn't matter Shelly FINALLY sided and stuck to her guns and chose a side and realized her Jeff/Jordan crush was only going to hurt her chances. Adam might be the worst player I have ever watched on this show. Every decision he has made has been the wrong 1. The only reason he is still there is luck and other targets. But he is dumb as dirt. The smart move is to get rid of Rachel next and then Jordan and then fight it out among the rest. Im rooting for Porsche but wouldn't mind if Shelly won now that she took a stand and didnt back down to Jeff. I hope there is no way Jordan can win but if she makes it to the end she will win easily even though her game play sucks. It would be just like the 1st time she won, undeserved!

[sailor]

Yeah, Adam's an idiot. Didn't see he wasn't getting thru with Jeff/Jordan, now wants to switch sides to again become the 4th ranked person on a side. Watching live feeds and it's hilarious Jordan crying to rachel "why did they send Jeff home?" basically she's saying, why did they let you stay Rachel? And Rachel doesn't realize it. Also Rachel was pissed at shelly switching sides, but that's the only reason she's still around. I also though nominate Jeff and Jordan together, that would assure one of them would stay up and the the newbie chicks could vote one of them off. It was perfect luck that Jordan wasn't picked to compete, because her winning (not that it would happen) would have saved her and Jeff.

[Snacks]

Yeah, Adam's an idiot. Didn't see he wasn't getting thru with Jeff/Jordan, now wants to switch sides to again become the 4th ranked person on a side. Watching live feeds and it's hilarious Jordan crying to rachel "why did they send Jeff home?" basically she's saying, why did they let you stay Rachel? And Rachel doesn't realize it. Also Rachel was pissed at shelly switching sides, but that's the only reason she's still around. I also though nominate Jeff and Jordan together, that would assure one of them would stay up and the the newbie chicks could vote one of them off. It was perfect luck that Jordan wasn't picked to compete, because her winning (not that it would happen) would have saved her and Jeff.

I just read on twitter that Jordan is getting in Shellys face and talking all tough? I love when people who have always gotten their way now have to fight like others have and now show who they truly are. Jordan has been protected by Jeff throughout both seasons and she doesnt understand why they got rid of him? This isnt the Jeff and Jordan show, they had to take them out or 1 of them would win easily and still might. They need to get her out maybe even before Rachel because Rachel isnt likable and a newbie could beat her in she got lucky enough to make it to the end.

I dont understand why Rachel is mad, she is still in the game! That is why I thought they should have used the veto on Rachel to make it a no question vote of Jeff and then this way it might have avoided this because she would have known she wasnt going home.

[sailor]

Jordan cursed shelly out, it was cute. She's an adorable crier, sort of the anti-Shelly.

I also was saying to veto Rachel, but it ultimately didn't matter as long as the three girls voted together.

On an unrelated note, when Jeff won the robot competition there were clearly two pieces left over at the end. The three possibilities for this are: extra pieces which was never made clear, pieces fell off after the competition, or he didn't complete the robot. I wish they'd made it clear what happened.

[sailor]

Oh, and Rachel is flipping out about a stuffed dog that was hidden on her; apparently it was hidden by shelly. Ha.

[Snacks]

I wish I was watching this right now. My luck i will sign up for the live feeds and it will all be done.

[Jayw]

I was checking in on the live after dark on showtime. Jordan cried for the entire 3 hours. Her and Rachel were huddled up crying together for about an hour.

I am so glad jordan is not going to win the money, she hasn't done jack shit the entire game...

I have grown to actually like porche a lot, and I don't believe i am about to say this but seeing shelley vote off jeff actually made me like her for a second. Jeff tried to turn her at the last minute I thought she was going to be a spineless jellyfish once again.

[Snacks]

I was checking in on the live after dark on showtime. Jordan cried for the entire 3 hours. Her and Rachel were huddled up crying together for about an hour.

I am so glad jordan is not going to win the money, she hasn't done jack shit the entire game...

I have grown to actually like porche a lot, and I don't believe i am about to say this but seeing shelley vote off jeff actually made me like her for a second. Jeff tried to turn her at the last minute I thought she was going to be a spineless jellyfish once again.


Thats exactly how I felt about Shelly. I have hated her since day 1 but now that she used those balls I know she has and made the right choice to go against Jeff I actually like her just a little bit.

Right now Im hoping Porsche wins the whole thing, if not her Im starting to be ok with Shelly possibly winning but not 100% there yet!

Who won hoh? I heard Porsche then read Jordan, which is it?

[Jayw]

Porsche won hoh. Her and kalia were sitting up in hoh smiling and patting themselves on the back to the nth degree the whole after dark.

[Snacks]

Opening pandoras box was such a dumb move. She actually was smart enough to know that she would be splitting the money so it was even less worth it but she was still tempted to open that stupid box. Do these people not know that opening that thing always hurts your game play or helps the others with some sort of power? That was bad.:wallbash:

The eps was great watching Jordumb act the way she did. This twist had to be a way to help her. CBS lover her and Jeff so they needed a way to at least give her a chance. I hope this at worst delays her eviction because I do not want to see he win again. She would be a 2 time winner and 1 of the dumbest and worst players ever. Doesnt CBS know that will actually make the show look bad?

Come Porsche pull this win out!

[Snacks]

Spoiler

I just looked it up and it looks like exactly what CBS would have wanted to happen, happened. Rach and Jordumb are nominated and Rach wins the pov. FUCK. This gives them lots of power. Adam and Shelly will be nominated. Adam will do whatever he can to save himself so now he will flip back over and give Rach and Jordumb the power back making it 3 vs 2. Shelly will probably do the same but Rach is at least smart enough not to trust her and Jordumb wants to get her out for Jeff. Porsche might have ruined everything they worked for with this pandoras box shit. I at least hope if Rach makes it to the finals even against Jordumb they remove their hate for her and vote for Rach to win. She at least deserves it more even if she is a bitch. The only person vs Jordumb in the finals that has a chance to beat her is Rach. If Jordumb goes against anyone else she will win. Rach, Jeff, Brendan, Adam and even Shelly would vote for Jordumb in the finals.

[sailor]

without reading the spoiler (i like to be surprised), i wouldn't terribly mind if either adam or shelly had to go home.

[indymike]

Opening pandoras box was such a dumb move. She actually was smart enough to know that she would be splitting the money so it was even less worth it but she was still tempted to open that stupid box. Do these people not know that opening that thing always hurts your game play or helps the others with some sort of power? That was bad.:wallbash:!

Hi all..... no worries not gonna spoil anything :)

They always will open the poandora's box. Porsche had actually said earlier in the day that she'd open it cause she was bored. I'd bet anything if Jordan or Rachel has won the HoH that there would not have been a pandora's box or it would have been something different.

The main reason I snuck in here was to plug the podcast scott and I (and two women who aren't R&F fans) have been doing this season - we spoil like crazy so don't listen if you want to watch the show ignorant of what will happen. This weeks has already topped 50k downloads on itunes since late Saturday night & last weeks is over 150k by now so we seem to be doing something right (I give scott all the credit) - latest episode can be found here: Big Brother Gossip Show (http://www.bigbrothergossip.com/bbg/2011/8/27/veto-results-and-episode-9-of-the-big-brother-gossip-show.html) (beware - spoilers in that linked page too).

Love any feedback you might have - even though we only have a few shows left.

[Snacks]

Hi all..... no worries not gonna spoil anything :)

They always will open the poandora's box. Porsche had actually said earlier in the day that she'd open it cause she was bored. I'd bet anything if Jordan or Rachel has won the HoH that there would not have been a pandora's box or it would have been something different.

The main reason I snuck in here was to plug the podcast scott and I (and two women who aren't R&F fans) have been doing this season - we spoil like crazy so don't listen if you want to watch the show ignorant of what will happen. This weeks has already topped 50k downloads on itunes since late Saturday night & last weeks is over 150k by now so we seem to be doing something right (I give scott all the credit) - latest episode can be found here: Big Brother Gossip Show (http://www.bigbrothergossip.com/bbg/2011/8/27/veto-results-and-episode-9-of-the-big-brother-gossip-show.html) (beware - spoilers in that linked page too).

Love any feedback you might have - even though we only have a few shows left.

I agree that is why this show has always been fixed. When it looks like someone is going to leave that they want to keep they seem to pull a pandoras box or something like they did Jeffs original season that kept him in the game that has never been done before or since. I thought these types of shows were considered game shows and had rules and laws against shit like this?

[Jayw]

I agree that is why this show has always been fixed. When it looks like someone is going to leave that they want to keep they seem to pull a pandoras box or something like they did Jeffs original season that kept him in the game that has never been done before or since. I thought these types of shows were considered game shows and had rules and laws against shit like this?

See I thought that same thing. The game show thing I at least thought kept things fair, but there must be a loophole or some shit because the way they have kept the veterans in the game this season is outrageous.

Did people really vote for Brendan? how the fuck could that be...

[Snacks]

See I thought that same thing. The game show thing I at least thought kept things fair, but there must be a loophole or some shit because the way they have kept the veterans in the game this season is outrageous.

Did people really vote for Brendan? how the fuck could that be...

Everything I read and saw online showed Dom or Cassi coming back nothing had Brendan anywhere close to coming back. I think I read that even cbs poll on their site showed Dom was winning. I also find it fucked up that during their diary sessions each player has a mod or mentor or whatever. I have read that they never tell the player what to do but they sway people or st least put shit in the players minds. How is that not altering the game and or cheating?

[paulisded]

See I thought that same thing. The game show thing I at least thought kept things fair, but there must be a loophole or some shit because the way they have kept the veterans in the game this season is outrageous.

Did people really vote for Brendan? how the fuck could that be...

Big brother and all other network realty game shows are not officially registered as game shows so they don't have to abide by fairness rules.

[indymike]

See I thought that same thing. The game show thing I at least thought kept things fair, but there must be a loophole or some shit because the way they have kept the veterans in the game this season is outrageous.

Did people really vote for Brendan? how the fuck could that be...

Its not considered a game show in the same way as say jeopardy (I looked it up a while ago) - wish I had bookmarked the best explanation I found but of course I didn't. But this quote on the Reality Television entry on Wikipedia explains it a bit:

"In competition-based programs such as Big Brother and Survivor, and other special living environment shows like The Real World, the producers design the format of the show and control the day-to-day activities and the environment, creating a completely fabricated world in which the competition plays out. Producers specifically select the participants and use carefully designed scenarios, challenges, events, and settings to encourage particular behaviors and conflicts. Mark Burnett, creator of Survivor and other reality shows, has agreed with this assessment, and avoids the word "reality" to describe his shows; he has said, "I tell good stories. It really is not reality TV. It really is unscripted drama.""

When Arnold Shapiro was the head producer it seemed LESS scripted - and since Alision Grodner took over (I think from Season 5 on off the top of my head but it might be as far back as season 4), there have been a lot of instances where it seems competitions or scenarios have been set up to 'help' a particular HG who they producers would prefer stays in the house.

I've known it for years and have said it to anyone that cared to listen - but i still enjoy the show because no matter how much they do things like that - we still get to see them 24x7 on the live feeds and watching that and then seeing how its edited into a TV show is one of the things I find most interesting.

Oh and as an example - the live POV competition last Thursday - the clown shoes in the bins? Totally designed for Rachel or Jeff to win (the two best physical players) - alas Jeff knocked one of his shoes out and couldn't find it and even though Rachel got the 1st shoe Porsche (who was 2nd to jeff in the enduranc competition the week b4) got two before her. So even though (in my opinion) the competition was designed for Jeff to win and save himself, it didn't happen and he went home. No way did CBS want to lose Jeff and Daniele on the same night.

Why did Brendon get voted back in....... I had a poll up on Big Brother Gossip just to see how things were trending and at first it was Dominic and Cassi with Brendon a distant 3rd - but over the weekend during the voting Brendon started to get a lot more votes - and people would 'tweet' at myself and scott and others that they wanted Brendon back in the house over Cassi or Dominic because he would HELP Jeff and Jordan and the other two would be against them. I do believe he got the most votes now - but at the time I was stupefied.

[disneyspy]

happy birthday indy mike

[indymike]

happy birthday indy mike

Thanks!

[Snacks]

Without even looking up to see who won HoH I will bet Rachel did. That competition was picked for her to win just like the veto competition was. They know physically she was the strongest that could compete and that Porsche who is the other strong player couldnt.

Im really tired of this show and how they manipulate results to get who they want further. That being said Rachel is starting to grow on me. I still want Porsche to win but she will be gone this week is she doesnt win the veto.

Jordan will make it to the final 2 and win and will make this entire season a joke. A 2 time winner who didnt deserve any wins!

Kalia is so fat and so dumb. She is delusional thinking that Rach or Jordan will trust her. Why did she vote for Adam to leave? After Shelly did her speech she basically was telling Kalia and Porsche that she had flipped again and was going to work ONLY with Rach and Jordumb. At that point Kalia should have voted for Adam for 2 reasons. 1 if he did stay he would know he got her vote now he knows she voted against him. 2, if Adam did leave maybe by voting to keep him maybe Adam would vote for her in the end if she made it to the fianl 2. Voting for Shelly at that point made no sense because If shelly goes good because she was going to work with Rach/Jord if she stayed she was agaisnt Kalia so why give her a vote?

On a side note you could see by Julie Chens questions for Shelly that she wanted Shelly to know that they wanted Jeff on the show. They are so obvious about their Jeff Jordan love and it sickens me. I dont know why she was telling Shelly that big move was too soon. It wasnt it was the perfect timing if not it should have been done sooner. The longer you keep them the better their chances because any win hoh or veto now will almost guarantee someone all the choices so why give 2 people the chance that are playing together?

[Jayw]

Ya they handpicked that competition just for rachel. Pretty annoying but whatever.

I was so happy when they sent shelly home. The way they edited it I thought they were going to keep her in the game. I was going to go crazy...

Neither Adam or shelly were ever going to win a competition so it didn't really matter, i just hate shelly.

the only person rachel has to worry about is porche.

I am back on the rachel band wagon, fuck the floaters (the biggest one jordan, adam).

[Snacks]

Ya they handpicked that competition just for rachel. Pretty annoying but whatever.

I was so happy when they sent shelly home. The way they edited it I thought they were going to keep her in the game. I was going to go crazy...

Neither Adam or shelly were ever going to win a competition so it didn't really matter, i just hate shelly.

the only person rachel has to worry about is porche.

I am back on the rachel band wagon, fuck the floaters (the biggest one jordan, adam).

the problem is if Jordan makes it to the final 2 she beats everyone. People even not with her will vote for her because she is so loved for being stupid, acting innocent and that southern accent. Shelly will vote for her, Jeff, Rachel if shes not in the finals, Adam, even Kalia would vote for Jordan against anyone but Porsche and then again she still might because Kalia will think that will be a way to make Jordan her friend outside the house. I dont understand it but they all want Jordumb to like them so fucking bad. Kalias only shot is against Adam. Porsches only shot would be against Kalia and Adam. Rachel could be everyone but Jordumb and might lose to Porsche, that one would be close b/c she really would only have Brendans vote. But then again maybe she would get more b/c shes getting married and the vets might all stick together and then maybe Adam falls for it too? I dont know we will see but they have to get Jordan out asap!

[Snacks]

How fucked up is this show? Seriously they do another pandoras box just to make it look fair. The only difference is the last pandoras box hurt the hoh and mainly had an effect on the game and its outcome. This pandoras box didnt work its way towards any game play or outcome. It just shows how they are trying to manipulate this game to protect Jordan. Jordan makes me laugh, she is talking shit about the other players yet she is only 1 step above Adam as far as game play is concerned. Kalia does eat and sleep a lot but she has played decent. I still cant stand her because she is so fucking delusional. She thinks everyone likes and respects her and has no clue about how she is really viewed by others. She thinks just because she says the right things she will be safe yet the proof every time is that they are against her yet she still falls for it. Adam is making me sick with his jumping ship every week. He should be voted out of they all were serious about not wanting a floater in the final 3. If you used his brain he would win the veto and take Porsche off the block then Jordan would get nominated and they would have votes to get her out and Rachel couldnt play for the hoh almost 100% assuring the newbies to the final 3. But he is so stupid he wont see this.

I think if noms stay the same they will vote out Kalia b/c they dont like her. But Porsche is the better competitor so maybe they will vote her out for that reason. I hope not b/c Porsche is truly the only 1 Im rooting for left. Rachel is growing on me and seems nicer and even cuter now that she isnt acting so bitchy! She was adorable (cant believe Im saying this) during her "shopping spree"

[sailor]

If you used his brain he would win the veto

hahahahahahaha

and i agree, rachel during the shopping spree was the first time she was a likable person this entire show.

[paulisded]

hahahahahahaha

and i agree, rachel during the shopping spree was the first time she was a likable person this entire show.

She's actually been easier to deal with ever since Brennnnnon left the second time.

[sailor]

She's actually been easier to deal with ever since Brennnnnon left the second time.

true. i expected her to melt down twice as bad as the first time he left, and was actually a bit disappointed she held it together so well.

[indymike]

Just an FYI - tonight's show was taped last night.

If they are to be believed - a couple people that were at the show have leaked who was evicted and who won HoH. No worries I won't spoil here.

The POV may be done today while the feeds are still off (CBS shut them down at 2pm Pacific yesterday) we hope they come back on at 9pm Eastern after the recorded show airs on the East Coast.

[paulisded]

Just an FYI - tonight's show was taped last night.

If they are to be believed - a couple people that were at the show have leaked who was evicted and who won HoH. No worries I won't spoil here.

The POV may be done today while the feeds are still off (CBS shut them down at 2pm Pacific yesterday) we hope they come back on at 9pm Eastern after the recorded show airs on the East Coast.

I read a CBS tweet today that says the feeds won't return until after the episode is aired on the West Coast.

[Jayw]

So khalia was crying and saying she said newbies to the end from the beggining to Julie. Yet didn't she vote against the newbie alliance in the very first vote...

I am very happy with her going out.

[Snacks]

So khalia was crying and saying she said newbies to the end from the beggining to Julie. Yet didn't she vote against the newbie alliance in the very first vote...

I am very happy with her going out.

EXACTLY what I was yelling at the tv. She was just like Adam early. She was "star struck" for some odd reason and wanted to make the vets her "friends" so she did whatever benefited them not her or the newbies. Shes a fat, crazy bitch that I only wished stayed so Jordumb didnt win. If they didnt throw the 2nd hoh comp Jordan would have won nothing again this entire year!

Adam is lucky he has made it this far you can say he made all the right decisions but I think it was all luck. He is such an asshole, even winning he cant be Jordumb or Rachel he actually had a better shot against Kalia especially now that he has won some comps and kalia is so hated. Porche looks like she will be done unless Adam protects her somehow or she wins the veto.

This season is so rigged cbs might be getting ratings but they should be ashamed for making it this obvious that they want Jordumb to win.

[sailor]

i so hate spineless adam. only sensible thing for him to do was use the veto and send jordan home. acting like he's a man of his word when he flipped sides twice in the past two weeks.

so is there a live eviction tomorrow? they said so coming into tonight, but then julie just said it was a live veto meeting. i think she just fucked up, but am not sure.

[sailor]

Ok, I get that Porsche thinks either of these two will bring her to the final, but she had to love going into a three part challenge against Jordan and Adam.

[Snacks]

Ok, I get that Porsche thinks either of these two will bring her to the final, but she had to love going into a three part challenge against Jordan and Adam.

true and that was my worry. I thought she would keep Jordan because Jordan is terrible at this game. But she made the right decision because if Jordan makes it to the final 2 against her Jordan wins. She gets Jeff, Bren,Rachel, Adam, Shelly. Porsche only gets Dani and Kalia. Now against Rach Porsche will get Shelly, Dani, Kalia and Adam will be the deciding vote and I think Adam will vote for against who voted him out or maybe for Porsche no matter what b/c she was a newbie. Against Adam I think Adam might win unless Rach Bren and Jeff vote for game play if not Adam will get all the vets votes and win.

I was so happy seeing Jordan leave, man is she clueless and terribe at this game. I have a feeling her or Jeff wins the americas vote money with an outside shot going to Dani but I doubt it. Jeff is a dick, did you see him yesterday the way he talked towards dani and shelly? He couldnt understand Shellys move to get rid of him? Does he not get that she knew no matter what final 3 him, shelly, jordn and shelly would have no chance to make it to final 2 unless she won? He couldnt admit to that? He really is a homophobic asshole. Funny thing is I originally liked him his 1st season til he got the wizard power and his true colors showed.

[Snacks]

At least Adam didnt win but wtf was Shelly thinking? She HATED Rachel the entire game and she is the reason Rachel won? Shelly is a fucking retard and might have a personality disorder. Im shocked, I thought if any of the newbies would have voted for Rachel is would have been Adam because he flip flopped all over the place and was unpredictable but so was Shelly. The funny thing is Shelly had an alliance with everyone including Porsche but never had 1 with Rachel, despised her and then voted for her.

I would have loved to see Porsche win but im not that mad at Rachel winning. In all honesty she did win the most competition and did grow on me after Brendan left the 2nd time. It just seemed like Porsche was the all around better person and played really well from week 4 on when she was finally allowed to play. If it wasnt for her stupid pandoras box Rachel would have gone that week and they would have had 4 newbies left against Jordan. Porsche kind of cost herself the money but then again something tells me Adam might have won vs her b/c all the Vets except Danielle would have voted for him as a vote against Porsche. Her best bet would have been going against Shelly but cbs fucked them with the pandoras box helping Jordumb and Rachel.

As for Jeff winning Americas player, its annoying. I dont see how so many people love Jeff and Jordan? They are such fake nasty people that show their true colors as the nasty fuckers they are. When the jury house had their meeting and Jordan said Porsche did nothing I laughed so loud. She won 3 times as much as Jordan with no help from anyone while Jordan only won 1 comp and that was b/c jeff and brendan threw the comp. She was protected the entire time by jeff and by the target that rach and brendan had on them.

Well the season was a ratings win for cbs but they need to stop the shit and let it play out based on what goes on between the players not by throwing in a monkey wrench to get it the way they want it.

That all being said I will watch again next summer and thats all cbs wants is viewers they dont care if they alter or fuck the game!

[sailor]

Can't understand shelly voting for Rachel. Thought Adam would, so was resigned to Rachel winning either way. One thing porshe should have done was point out that any of the newbies against Rachel at the end, the three vets (less Danielle) were voting for Rachel without a moment's thought, so adam's supposed loyalty meant nothing to them in the end, and is why shelly turned on Jeff and the gang in the first place. Only thing I can think of is shelly had an obsessive need to be liked/loved and did this to get back on the vets' good side, even though she'll never see them again. Still, the two guys were complete dicks to her in the jury house.

I don't get everyone saying porshe was a floater still, especially Jordan and Adam! Only thing I can think of is the people voted off weren't seeing what took place except for the DVD's they were shown of the evictions. Adam though is just delusional. I was totally pulling for porshe (hated rachel from moment one) but would have voted for her over that idiot Adam who had no business staying around as long as he did.

In all, I really enjoyed my first season of the show and will watch it next year. I just hope they don't have a stupid gimmick like the vets and teams again; I really feel like that made the show much worse than it otherwise would have been.

[deliciousV]

I gotta say, after 4 HOH'S and 2 POV's the bitch deserved to win, but much like Russel from survivor, if she hadn't won it wouldn't have surprised me, she is quite unlikeable, but played the GAME part well, just not the social part. (I know that is part of the game, I mean the game'S) I've never missed a season and never hated a player more, yet I felt she deserved this win, go figure.

[Jayw]

What in the fuck...

Shelly votes for rachel?? But she did say in the jury house shit right before that Porche didn't do anything in the game and that she didn't deserve it. I went back and watched when they were talking about who deserved it out of the three. The only other thing I can think of is that she did it to gain some sort of friendship with jeff and jordan.

Still I figured that Adam was the swing vote, that was surprising.

All in all a decent season. I am starting to get sick of this vet shit (really survivor?), but unfortunately it seems like it is something that is here to stay in all reality tv

But ya decent season, attractive girls to the end, decent drama in the house, person i was rooting for in the end won, other than the bullshit CBS rigging the game, it was entertaining mindless reality tv, love it.

[Rhah]

No matter who won, the fact that they were arguing that Porsche's "under the radar" style until she needed to do something was genius while Adam basically did the same thing and they said he had no game, was stupid. You can't like one UTR player and claim the other one has no game.

I guess I am bitter from so many low key players winning Survivor lately and then the jury claiming how awesome their strategy was pisses me off. You have to vote for skill despite how bitter you are that someone played better you or backstabbed you.

[King Imp]

Okay, Rachel's 15 minutes of fame are over. Can she get to posing topless now?

[Snacks]

No matter who won, the fact that they were arguing that Porsche's "under the radar" style until she needed to do something was genius while Adam basically did the same thing and they said he had no game, was stupid. You can't like one UTR player and claim the other one has no game.

I guess I am bitter from so many low key players winning Survivor lately and then the jury claiming how awesome their strategy was pisses me off. You have to vote for skill despite how bitter you are that someone played better you or backstabbed you.

I dont think anyone of us is saying she was "under the radar". What she did do wasnt ruffle any feathers while she couldnt compete. Once she was allowed to compete she competed and competed well. This was cbs fault with their stupid golden key. Once you got it ,you were safe for up to 4 weeks but couldnt compete in anything. no hohs no povs not food comps nothing. they should have allowed them to still compete and this way you would see how they did and if anything it would have allowed them to pick sides sooner and possibly get people out of the house.

I do agree with your survivor reasoning. Im pissed off that so many people have won that shouldnt have out. Survivor has turned into a hs popularity contest not a game of who plays better.