2011 College Football Thread

[JimBeam]

Not sure if it was my place to start this but I didn't see one yet and I figured the 2010 one was stale.

A lot's gone on since the last post in there so I guessed the time was right.

[cougarjake13]

i think its pryor, tressel, and ohio state's year

[Snoogans]

I cant wait for fuckin college football. Im so glad the NFL are being jerkoffs right now and so many more people are gonna get into college. Its so much more fun to see all the different styles and types of games.

[TheGameHHH]

Another year of me watching Notre Dame suck balls, this is gonna be awesome

[cougarjake13]

I cant wait for fuckin college football. Im so glad the NFL are being jerkoffs right now and so many more people are gonna get into college. Its so much more fun to see all the different styles and types of games.

when i lived up north i hardly watched college football


since moving here ive gotten into a whole lot more

[FatassTitePants]

What WVU did to Bill Stewart is disgusting. That guy loves the university and was totally loyal...the antithesis of RichRod. So they offer him a contract 3 minutes after the Fiesta Bowl win and then cripple him a few years later and finally force him out. He didn't ask for any of it but then he gets blamed for how weird things got there.

[Snoogans]

What WVU did to Bill Stewart is disgusting. That guy loves the university and was totally loyal...the antithesis of RichRod. So they offer him a contract 3 minutes after the Fiesta Bowl win and then cripple him a few years later and finally force him out. He didn't ask for any of it but then he gets blamed for how weird things got there.

he wasnt gonna be forced out until he called reporters tryin to dig up dirt to get his new OC fired. Lets not act like the man was a fuckin saint. Plus, loyal or not, he is a TERRIBLE football coach

[Snacks]

he wasnt gonna be forced out until he called reporters tryin to dig up dirt to get his new OC fired. Lets not act like the man was a fuckin saint. Plus, loyal or not, he is a TERRIBLE football coach

when I read that I was shocked and disgusted. Nothing is worse then the media with a witch hunt and for a coach to do that to his own successor is disgusting on every level. To try to ruin a mans life over what? Im happy he was fired!

[sailor]

seems crazy to bring in a replacement a full year before you're going to give him the job. dumb move.

[Snacks]

seems crazy to bring in a replacement a full year before you're going to give him the job. dumb move.

Why? What would you do to this scumbag who was trying to ruin someones life? Didnt the successor get the job? I dont think they found someone else to take the job for 1 year. I think they gave the guy who was getting the job a year earlier then expected!

[sailor]

Why? What would you do to this scumbag who was trying to ruin someones life? Didnt the successor get the job? I dont think they found someone else to take the job for 1 year. I think they gave the guy who was getting the job a year earlier then expected!

Re-read my comment and think about it some more.

Edit: ok, I'll clarify for the benefit of all. It was crazy to bring in the replacement and have Stewart train the guy who is going to take over for him. It's one thing if Stewart was planning on leaving and they got a guy to work with him for a year to bring about a smooth transition, but effectively saying "you're fired after this year, train your replacement." if anything, bring the guy in and make a decision after the year.

[cougarjake13]

seems crazy to bring in a replacement a full year before you're going to give him the job. dumb move.

its all the rage now


a lot of colleges have the coaches in waiting tag

[CountryBob]

I fucking hate the Mountaineers anyway - go VT!

[JimBeam]

Re-read my comment and think about it some more.

Edit: ok, I'll clarify for the benefit of all. It was crazy to bring in the replacement and have Stewart train the guy who is going to take over for him. It's one thing if Stewart was planning on leaving and they got a guy to work with him for a year to bring about a smooth transition, but effectively saying "you're fired after this year, train your replacement." if anything, bring the guy in and make a decision after the year.

It's quite possible they didn't wanna give him the job in the 1st place and just settled on him.

I'm sure people close to the prgran knew whether or not he was working out and they probably made the decision based on that.

[FatassTitePants]

It's quite possible they didn't wanna give him the job in the 1st place and just settled on him.

I'm sure people close to the prgran knew whether or not he was working out and they probably made the decision based on that.

That's not how I remember it. RichRod has just bolted for UM before the bowl season. Stewart gets this big emotional win in the Fiesta Bowl and the university offered him the permanent job that night.

That's why I blame the university for everything. Stewart was loyal and loved the university. Then they act like a jilted teen girl and clinged on to the next person that showed them love. Obviously it was Stewart's dream job, so he took it. It's also obvious he wasn't head coach material, so the university tried to steer him away by firing his assistants, bringing in new ones and a new HC in waiting. He was backed into a corner and tried to fight his way out.

[Snoogans]

its all the rage now


a lot of colleges have the coaches in waiting tag

yea but usually, its in waiting behind a coach who is planning to leave and a part of the process of choosing the next guy. Its not usually forced on the coach by the AD with a guy he never even knew

[cougarjake13]

yea but usually, its in waiting behind a coach who is planning to leave and a part of the process of choosing the next guy. Its not usually forced on the coach by the AD with a guy he never even knew

yeh this is def diff than the norm

[Snoogans]

eric legrand on college football live. Said he can eat solid food, feels twitches all over his body like its turning back on, and the dr told him he moved his toe when he was tryin to move his legs yesterday in rehab

said his next goal is to be able to move his arm enough to feed himself

[KnoxHarrington]

yeh this is def diff than the norm

I know they did that arrangement here at UK; the old coach, Rich Brooks, was well in his 60's and was preparing to retire, so the OC, Joker Phillips, got the Coach in Waiting tag for the last season or two before Brooks retired.

It seems to have been a fairly smooth transition, as the first year under Phillips was a successful one by UK standards: 7 wins, and getting blown out in some piece of shit bowl no one gives a fuck about. Around here, that's what people pretty much expect.

[FatassTitePants]

I know they did that arrangement here at UK; the old coach, Rich Brooks, was well in his 60's and was preparing to retire, so the OC, Joker Phillips, got the Coach in Waiting tag for the last season or two before Brooks retired.

It seems to have been a fairly smooth transition, as the first year under Phillips was a successful one by UK standards: 7 wins, and getting blown out in some piece of shit bowl no one gives a fuck about. Around here, that's what people pretty much expect.

Lexington is a great city & I love it anytime that I can make it to Commonwealth Stadium. People think that I am nuts to drive from PA to KY to go see a college football game but I rarely pass up the chance.

[sailor]

I know they did that arrangement here at UK; the old coach, Rich Brooks, was well in his 60's and was preparing to retire, so the OC, Joker Phillips, got the Coach in Waiting tag for the last season or two before Brooks retired.

It seems to have been a fairly smooth transition, as the first year under Phillips was a successful one by UK standards: 7 wins, and getting blown out in some piece of shit bowl no one gives a fuck about. Around here, that's what people pretty much expect.

but like we said, a case like that where the coach was planning to move on/retire would be expected to have a smooth transition.

[ozzie]

eric legrand on college football live. Said he can eat solid food, feels twitches all over his body like its turning back on, and the dr told him he moved his toe when he was tryin to move his legs yesterday in rehab

said his next goal is to be able to move his arm enough to feed himself

That's great news.

I watched AU's Zac Etheridge go down against Ole Miss on halloween '09. It was a scary hit, and I immediately wondered if he'd ever recover to be able to lead a normal life. Cracked 5th vertabra and torn ligaments was the diagnosis.

http://media.al.com/live/photo/zac-etheridge-stretcherjpg-49a64ecc83ecd9ae_large.jpg

It was amazing what they were able to do for him. Soon after, he was sitting upright and giving interviews.

http://media.al.com/sports_impact/photo/etheridge55toddvanjpg-cbb7cb2d16c5b1a2_large.jpg

By last summer, I started hearing that he would be cleared to play football again?!?!

I was thrilled about his recovery, but scared to death for him all year.

The kid never played with any fear or hesitation. He was a true inspiration to the defense, and a BIG part of leading so many comebacks en route to a championship. The younger guys would hear him, and watch him never give up, and it was truly inspiring. He never let them give up.

Even being down to bama 24 - 0, he was out there rallying the boys and telling them, "Now! Tell 'em We comin' ".

The D gave up a total of 3 pts the rest of the game. Zac was a big part of shutting down Julio and bama's passing game.

http://www.troymessenger.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/sportsweb.jpg

And he was a big part of holding the ducks in check for most of the MNC game, including a first half pick

http://media.al.com/alphotos/photo/9185374-large.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/009GfXN0cZ8BP/x350.jpg

The national news was focused on Cam and Nick all year, but Zac was the true heart of the MNC team.

My best wishes to Eric and his family, and I hope that stories like Zac's give him some hope and inspiration to never give up.

[cougarjake13]

eric legrand on college football live. Said he can eat solid food, feels twitches all over his body like its turning back on, and the dr told him he moved his toe when he was tryin to move his legs yesterday in rehab

said his next goal is to be able to move his arm enough to feed himself

fucking awesome news

[JimBeam]

eric legrand on college football live. Said he can eat solid food, feels twitches all over his body like its turning back on, and the dr told him he moved his toe when he was tryin to move his legs yesterday in rehab

said his next goal is to be able to move his arm enough to feed himself

Good news.

[PigShitIrish]

Another year of me watching Notre Dame suck balls, this is gonna be awesome

I'm right there with you brother!

[disneyspy]

there will be no jan 1st BOWL GAMES,what a load of shit

[sailor]

there will be no jan 1st BOWL GAMES,what a load of shit

Minor league football!

[TheGameHHH]

there will be no jan 1st BOWL GAMES,what a load of shit

whatever will we do? there's only 4,682 more bowl games to watch between december and january.

[disneyspy]

whatever will we do? there's only 4,682 more bowl games to watch between december and january.

inorite?

[FatassTitePants]

there will be no jan 1st BOWL GAMES,what a load of shit

I guess it's because that is a regular NFL Sunday. But yeah, still total bullshit and there is little sense of tradition anymore. We might see a day where the NFL plays in Fall and Winter and NCAA is in the Spring and early Summer.

And people will bitch...and then spend millions on it.

[KnoxHarrington]

I guess it's because that is a regular NFL Sunday. But yeah, still total bullshit and there is little sense of tradition anymore. We might see a day where the NFL plays in Fall and Winter and NCAA is in the Spring and early Summer.

And people will bitch...and then spend millions on it.

January 1st already didn't mean shit, though. The only bowl worth a damn still on that day is the Rose Bowl.

One of the things that's annoyed me most about the BCS is that in this last-ditch attempt to forestall playoff talk, we've ended up with this bastardized system that denigrates the tradition of the bowls even as it attempts to protect them. I think I'd rather just have the traditional bowl alignment than this mess.

[Snoogans]

NFL sunday is the only rason their is no games on Jan 1st. NFL doesnt show games on saturday until college football is done, so they did it as a favor to the NFL

[sailor]

NFL sunday is the only rason their is no games on Jan 1st. NFL doesnt show games on saturday until college football is done, so they did it as a favor to the NFL

Yeah, spy knew that and was just being a jerk.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, spy knew that and was just being a jerk.

of course he was. bitter, bitter old man

[JimBeam]

NFL sunday is the only rason their is no games on Jan 1st. NFL doesnt show games on saturday until college football is done, so they did it as a favor to the NFL

Has that always been the case ?

I mean it has to be an issue every 6 or 7 years no ?

Have they never shown New Year's Day college games on a Sunday ?

Has it been a case where the NFL is usually over by that point ?

[Snoogans]

Has that always been the case ?

I mean it has to be an issue every 6 or 7 years no ?

Have they never shown New Year's Day college games on a Sunday ?

Has it been a case where the NFL is usually over by that point ?

its been 7 years since new years was on a sunday. ANd i think the season ended the last week in december up until right around then

[ozzie]

its been 7 years since new years was on a sunday. ANd i think the season ended the last week in december up until right around then

I'm not sure exactly when the NFL started adding their "BYE" weeks, but I'm pretty sure that before then, the NFL season always wrapped up before New Year's Day, and the only conflict would have been wildcard (first round) playoff games.

I know when I was in Nawlins for the Sugar Bowl on Jan 1, 1988, the Saints were playing the Vikes in a wildcard playoff game the next day (or Jan 3?).

[Snoogans]

I'm not sure exactly when the NFL started adding their "BYE" weeks, but I'm pretty sure that before then, the NFL season always wrapped up before New Year's Day, and the only conflict would have been wildcard (first round) playoff games.

I know when I was in Nawlins for the Sugar Bowl on Jan 1, 1988, the Saints were playing the Vikes in a wildcard playoff game the next day (or Jan 3?).

it wasnt since bye weeks. it was only the last like 5 years when they decided to back the superbowl up to the first week of february. thats when they backed up the start of the season til the 2nd weekend in sept. thats when the last week of the regular season got pushed back to january

[ozzie]

Looks like it happened last in 2005/2006.

The NFL played two games on Saturday, 12/31/05, and there were three bowl games that day.

The NFL played all of their remaining 14 final regular season games on Sunday, 1/1/06.

There were no bowl games played on New Year's Day.

They were all moved to Monday, 1/2/06 (Outback, Cotton, Gator, Capital One, Fiesta, Sugar).

Orange was 1/3

Rose (MNC Game) 1/4

[Snoogans]

Looks like it happened last in 2005/2006.

The NFL played two games on Saturday, 12/31/05, and there were three bowl games that day.

The NFL played all of their remaining 14 final regular season games on Sunday, 1/1/06.

There were no bowl games played on New Year's Day.

They were all moved to Monday, 1/2/06 (Outback, Cotton, Gator, Capital One, Fiesta, Sugar).

Orange was 1/3

Rose (MNC Game) 1/4

yea its like thankin the NFL for agreeing to not play games on saturdays until college football is finished

[ozzie]

Apparently moving games to Monday when New Year's Day falls on a Sunday, has been standard practice for as long as the bowls have been around, which tells me that it may have more to do with Sunday being a religious day, than with the NFL.

Just going by the "granddaddy of them all" Rose Bowl game, it's been played on Jan 2nd in every year where New Year's Day fell on a Sunday.

1/2/1922 - California 0 - Washington & Jefferson 0
1/2/1928 - Stanford 7 - Pittsburgh 6
1/2/1933 - Southern California 35 - Pittsburgh 0
1/2/1939 - Southern California 7 - Duke 3
1/2/1950 - Ohio State 17 - California 14
1/2/1956 - Michigan State 17 - UCLA 14
1/2/1961 - Washington 17 - Minnesota 7
1/2/1967 - Purdue 14 - Southern California 13
1/2/1978 - Washington 27 - Michigan 20
1/2/1984 - UCLA 45 - Illinois 9
1/2/1989 - Michigan 22 - Southern California 14
1/2/1995 - Penn State 38 - Oregon 20

[JimBeam]

Nice story :

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Amazing-tales-USF-lineman-lifts-Cadillac-saves?urn=ncaaf-wp2964

[JimBeam]

25 college football teams to launch next 4 years

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-newprograms

[JimBeam]

Have any of you guys read the " Death To The BCS " book ?

I was gonna buy it but then I see that they are coming out with a revised version this fall.

At least I think it's a revision ( with updated data ) and not a whole new book altogether.

[Snoogans]

i have not read it just because right now, with NFL and NBA, i cant take hearing about more uncertainty and shit that could fuck up another sport i enjoy watching

[CountryBob]

Apparently moving games to Monday when New Year's Day falls on a Sunday, has been standard practice for as long as the bowls have been around, which tells me that it may have more to do with Sunday being a religious day, than with the NFL.

Just going by the "granddaddy of them all" Rose Bowl game, it's been played on Jan 2nd in every year where New Year's Day fell on a Sunday.

1/2/1922 - California 0 - Washington & Jefferson 0
1/2/1928 - Stanford 7 - Pittsburgh 6
1/2/1933 - Southern California 35 - Pittsburgh 0
1/2/1939 - Southern California 7 - Duke 3
1/2/1950 - Ohio State 17 - California 14
1/2/1956 - Michigan State 17 - UCLA 14
1/2/1961 - Washington 17 - Minnesota 7
1/2/1967 - Purdue 14 - Southern California 13
1/2/1978 - Washington 27 - Michigan 20
1/2/1984 - UCLA 45 - Illinois 9
1/2/1989 - Michigan 22 - Southern California 14
1/2/1995 - Penn State 38 - Oregon 20

Boy that Cal vs. Washington & Jefferson game was a barn burner!

[ozzie]

Have any of you guys read the " Death To The BCS " book ?

I was gonna buy it but then I see that they are coming out with a revised version this fall.

At least I think it's a revision ( with updated data ) and not a whole new book altogether.

Their proposed bracket is almost exactly the same as the bracket I posted in the 2009 College Football thread:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bnp3rPJpz8U/TR91youROTI/AAAAAAAAAoI/9ZneW1jBnE4/s1600/bcs.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/787/ncaaplayoffbracket20091.jpg

I feel vidicated... or ripped off. Probably the latter right now.

[cougarjake13]

unless they put it into practice u prob got no case

[Snoogans]

Eric LeGrand stood up during physical therapy today (http://espn.go.com/new-york/ncf/story/_/id/6766456/paralyzed-rutgers-scarlet-knights-football-player-eric-legrand-stands-therapy)

[JimBeam]

Eric LeGrand stood up during physical therapy today (http://espn.go.com/new-york/ncf/story/_/id/6766456/paralyzed-rutgers-scarlet-knights-football-player-eric-legrand-stands-therapy)

I heard a little bit of his call into College Football Live the other morning.

Good news.

[JimBeam]

The probabtion for Ga Tech seems to be nonsensical w/ regards to punishment.

4 years but they don't lose post season consideration or scholarships.

I'm not even sure what it is they did lose.

[Snoogans]

Four years' probation (July 14, 2011 through July 13, 2015)
• Reduction in official men's basketball recruiting visits for 2011-12 and 2012-13
• $100,000 fine
• Vacating 2009 ACC football championship game victory
• Reduction in recruiting days for 2011 summer evaluation period *
• Public reprimand and censure
* Self-imposed

[cougarjake13]

sad as it is none of these probations and penalties will mean anything unless it includes taking away scholarschips or not allowed to be in bowl games

otherwise paying fines and losing previous games won and shit like that is no loss at all

[JimBeam]

sad as it is none of these probations and penalties will mean anything unless it includes taking away scholarschips or not allowed to be in bowl games

otherwise paying fines and losing previous games won and shit like that is no loss at all

Exactly.

Now I know their offense wasn't that worst thing in the world ( although the prepping the player for the interview was a bit shady ) but then why make something, that's essentialy superficial, a 4 year deal.

[sailor]

• Reduction in recruiting days for 2011 summer evaluation period *
* Self-imposed

so, paid vacation time for the coaches? sweet.

[cougarjake13]

Exactly.

Now I know their offense wasn't that worst thing in the world ( although the prepping the player for the interview was a bit shady ) but then why make something, that's essentialy superficial, a 4 year deal.

bc in todays short attention span society all people will hear or remember is 4 year probation

[Snoogans]

so, paid vacation time for the coaches? sweet.

actually thats probably the worst penalty. Not being able to call and visit recruits, even 1 day less than other schools, puts you in a big hole.

[ozzie]

Practice for the 2011 season starts tomorrow.

One last chance to look back at what was a truly magical season.

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I'm enjoying these moments while I can because AU only returns 6 starters playing at their same position as last year, and they've got a murderous schedule:

Sep. 3 - Utah State
Sep. 10 - Miss. State
Sep. 17 - at Clemson
Sep. 24 - Florida Atlantic
Oct. 1 - at South Carolina
Oct. 8 - at Arkansas
Oct. 15 - Florida
Oct. 22 - at LSU
Oct. 29 - Ole Miss
Nov. 12 - at Georgia
Nov. 19 - Samford
Nov. 26 - Alabama

They graduated 23 seniors, and most of you know about the Juniors that went to the NFL.

I'm going to hold out until the end of fall practice before making any predictions (a lot of true and redshirt freshmen competing for starting positions), but the rest of the media is not shy in saying that if this team makes a bowl game, they'll be exceeding expectations.

There's only a handful of seniors left from Tuberville's last recruiting class, and they won't have even close to their 85 scholarships awarded.

Personally, I was up there for the spring game, and even met some of the players afterwards, and my expectations are a little higher, but I want to see Keihl Frazier and the rest of the incoming freshmen before I commit.

But, I will say that based on the last two recruiting classes, and the 2012 commits they already have, AU will be back competing for a MNC in the next few years.

This should be the one and only "re-building" year this staff will have.

[cougarjake13]

last chance to remember something that we will be told never happened in 5 yrs

[ozzie]

last chance to remember something that we will be told never happened in 5 yrs

So, now it's 5 years, huh? Eh, at least the timeline is getting longer. I'm not sure what people think is going to come out in 5 years that hasn't already been investigated. This was all supposed to be taken away within a month after the MNC game... then this spring, then this summer, then it was going to be in August... now, 5 years? Ok.

I can't say that I've followed every NCAA investigation this closely, but I can tell you that the rabid alabama "boosters" / "red elephant club" members have inititated, funded, and participated in countless searches, and have grasped at every straw.

Every possible lead, rumor, link, has been reported, followed and investigated thoroughly by the NCAA, the FBI, and everyone wearing houndstooth and crimson. No stone in the state of Alabama (or in Georgia, Gainesville, FL, Blinn, TX) has been left unturned, and NOTHING new has been found.

Well, nothing against Auburn University, anyway. I can't say the same for Mississippi State and the u. of alabama at tuscaloosa.

After enduring this crap for almost 9 months from haters on the other side of the state, and the rest of the country, I find it funny / ironic how some obsessed wannabe sportsbloggers and internet detectives, while reaching for a link to where Cam Newton got the suit he wore to the Heisman presentation, pissed off the wrong Auburn grad / housewife, and exposed a rash of violations of their own.

As she put it, "If they want to investigate where players get their suits, they need to check out T-Town Menswear". One simple post by a housewife on a messageboard, similar to this, and a link to a facebook page, might just bring down the tide.

Did T-Town Menswear Cause an NCAA Violation For Alabama? (http://outkickthecoverage.com/bama-players-signing-gear-for-t-towns-menswear.php)

UA 1st Concern: Ineligibility Unrelated To Benefits (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/ua-1st-concern-ineligibility-unrelated-to-benefits-29805)

Alabama's Timeline Makes No Sense; Nick Saban Comments on Story (http://outkickthecoverage.com/alabamas-timeline-makes-no-sense.php)

‘mark ingram glovs come to t-town it is on desplay’ (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/mark-ingram-glovs-come-to-t-town-it-is-on-desplay-29804)

The "tats for sigs" stuff ohio state went down for pales in comparison, and at least tOsu was treated as a "first time offender"... not a "repeat offender" with a "lack of institutional control".

If anyone is at risk of losing a heisman or a crystal ball right now, it's more likely to be Mark Ingram and the 2009 bama team.

I used to be the guy who pulled for the SEC, and even for Alabama when they weren't playing AU. I doubt many non-bama fans cheered louder for the tide in the 1992 MNC game, and gave them thier due in 2009. I really thought this "rivalry" was all in "fun", but fuck them.

The come from behind (down 24 - 0) win in tuscaloosa last year, and AU's run to the MNC has sent them over the top. From killing trees and traditions, to the non-stop accusations and slander, and overall, "if Auburn won it, they MUST have cheated!" mantra that has driven their fanbase into a blind rage... it's just not "fun" anymore.

This crap, from a school that has been on probation practically non-stop (with the exception of just a few months) for 17 consecutive years? (Including CURRENTLY on probation)

The same school that, after the last violations, prompted the NCAA to state in their findings, "Alabama football ". . . is a serial repeat offender with an abysmal infractions track record and an extensive recent history of infractions cases unmatched by any other member institution in the NCAA.”?

The old saying down here is that "When Alabama gets investigated, Auburn goes on probation" has always been true. It happened in 1957, 1992, and it's been pretty much non-stop for the last 17 years.

Deflect, deflect, deflect. Plant your rumors. Repeat the story enough until it's accepted as truth. Get the local and state media going. Get guys like Brando, Thayer Evans and Thamel at the NYT to pick up the story nationally.

And from your post, and others I've seen since around last October... it's working again.

Keep hoping, and waiting for that other shoe to drop.

Those 14 football games last year were what every college football fan dreams about for their team and their alma mater. Some fans and alums support and cheer for their school their whole life without experiencing that for themselves. I'm realistic enough to realize that it may never happen again, so fuck yes, I'm going to enjoy it.

[CountryBob]

I'm a Hokie Fan but I will say - SEC football is the pinnacle of what a conference should be. How can I get my Va Tech team in the SEC? You all need another team to beat up on dont ya?

[ozzie]

I'm a Hokie Fan but I will say - SEC football is the pinnacle of what a conference should be. How can I get my Va Tech team in the SEC? You all need another team to beat up on dont ya?

There's been discussion about the SEC expanding to a 16 team "super-conference".

I know that there have been actual negotiations with Texas A&M, and other members of what was the Big 12. Texas doesn't seem willing to want to play nice with the rest of them, and that conference is on the verge of collapse.

Adding Va Tech would make sense, and add another market that they're not in... but if the SEC starts pursuing expansion, I would expect the ACC to look for teams to add to keep up.

[cougarjake13]

So, now it's 5 years, huh? Eh, at least the timeline is getting longer. I'm not sure what people think is going to come out in 5 years that hasn't already been investigated. This was all supposed to be taken away within a month after the MNC game... then this spring, then this summer, then it was going to be in August... now, 5 years? Ok.

I can't say that I've followed every NCAA investigation this closely, but I can tell you that the rabid alabama "boosters" / "red elephant club" members have inititated, funded, and participated in countless searches, and have grasped at every straw.

Every possible lead, rumor, link, has been reported, followed and investigated thoroughly by the NCAA, the FBI, and everyone wearing houndstooth and crimson. No stone in the state of Alabama (or in Georgia, Gainesville, FL, Blinn, TX) has been left unturned, and NOTHING new has been found.

Well, nothing against Auburn University, anyway. I can't say the same for Mississippi State and the u. of alabama at tuscaloosa.

After enduring this crap for almost 9 months from haters on the other side of the state, and the rest of the country, I find it funny / ironic how some obsessed wannabe sportsbloggers and internet detectives, while reaching for a link to where Cam Newton got the suit he wore to the Heisman presentation, pissed off the wrong Auburn grad / housewife, and exposed a rash of violations of their own.

As she put it, "If they want to investigate where players get their suits, they need to check out T-Town Menswear". One simple post by a housewife on a messageboard, similar to this, and a link to a facebook page, might just bring down the tide.

Did T-Town Menswear Cause an NCAA Violation For Alabama? (http://outkickthecoverage.com/bama-players-signing-gear-for-t-towns-menswear.php)

UA 1st Concern: Ineligibility Unrelated To Benefits (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/ua-1st-concern-ineligibility-unrelated-to-benefits-29805)

Alabama's Timeline Makes No Sense; Nick Saban Comments on Story (http://outkickthecoverage.com/alabamas-timeline-makes-no-sense.php)

‘mark ingram glovs come to t-town it is on desplay’ (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/mark-ingram-glovs-come-to-t-town-it-is-on-desplay-29804)

The "tats for sigs" stuff ohio state went down for pales in comparison, and at least tOsu was treated as a "first time offender"... not a "repeat offender" with a "lack of institutional control".

If anyone is at risk of losing a heisman or a crystal ball right now, it's more likely to be Mark Ingram and the 2009 bama team.

I used to be the guy who pulled for the SEC, and even for Alabama when they weren't playing AU. I doubt many non-bama fans cheered louder for the tide in the 1992 MNC game, and gave them thier due in 2009. I really thought this "rivalry" was all in "fun", but fuck them.

The come from behind (down 24 - 0) win in tuscaloosa last year, and AU's run to the MNC has sent them over the top. From killing trees and traditions, to the non-stop accusations and slander, and overall, "if Auburn won it, they MUST have cheated!" mantra that has driven their fanbase into a blind rage... it's just not "fun" anymore.

This crap, from a school that has been on probation practically non-stop (with the exception of just a few months) for 17 consecutive years? (Including CURRENTLY on probation)

The same school that, after the last violations, prompted the NCAA to state in their findings, "Alabama football ". . . is a serial repeat offender with an abysmal infractions track record and an extensive recent history of infractions cases unmatched by any other member institution in the NCAA.”?

The old saying down here is that "When Alabama gets investigated, Auburn goes on probation" has always been true. It happened in 1957, 1992, and it's been pretty much non-stop for the last 17 years.

Deflect, deflect, deflect. Plant your rumors. Repeat the story enough until it's accepted as truth. Get the local and state media going. Get guys like Brando, Thayer Evans and Thamel at the NYT to pick up the story nationally.

And from your post, and others I've seen since around last October... it's working again.

Keep hoping, and waiting for that other shoe to drop.

Those 14 football games last year were what every college football fan dreams about for their team and their alma mater. Some fans and alums support and cheer for their school their whole life without experiencing that for themselves. I'm realistic enough to realize that it may never happen again, so fuck yes, I'm going to enjoy it.





i mostly posted it as a joke and a lil dig at u knowing ur a auburn fan


but these days who the fuck knows ... it seems like every year were gonna be going thru some type of shizz like this with a diff school

[JimBeam]

The same school that, after the last violations, prompted the NCAA to state in their findings, "Alabama football ". . . is a serial repeat offender with an abysmal infractions track record and an extensive recent history of infractions cases unmatched by any other member institution in the NCAA.”?

Is there a source for that NCAA quote ?

I'm not saying you made it up but to say that Alabama is the worst violator ever despite never haven gotten the " Death Penalty " seems to be a bit out there.

[Snoogans]

Is there a source for that NCAA quote ?

I'm not saying you made it up but to say that Alabama is the worst violator ever despite never haven gotten the " Death Penalty " seems to be a bit out there.

only 1 football scool has ever got the death penalty and it was like almost 25 years ago. Im pretty sure this would mean biggest violator now. Not that im sayin its true or that is a real quote, but just cause they havent gotten the death penalty doesnt mean they arent the biggest violator.

besides, with how bad it fucked up SMU, the NCAA will do whatever it can not to give out the death penalty ever again

[JimBeam]

But more to my point Alabama hasn't been stripped of any titles or really anything other than some wins so with that said I can't see how they'd be worse than a USC which actually had to forfeit a title.

[twiggy148]

i think its pryor, tressel, and ohio state's year

You may be right until the reach the championship and fall apart as they have every time.

[ozzie]

Is there a source for that NCAA quote ?

I'm not saying you made it up but to say that Alabama is the worst violator ever despite never haven gotten the " Death Penalty " seems to be a bit out there.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/4536/ncaa-alabama-a-serial-repeat-violator

http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/10/more_on_uas_textbook_appeal_nc.html

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/618774-alabama-ncaa-death-penalty-looms-unmatched-recent-violation-history-ncaa

http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/ncaa-lays-smack-bama/10218

Alabama's Rebuttal repeats the same verbage used in the NCAA findings (http://uanews.ua.edu/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Rebuttal-Brief-final-filed1412.pdf)

[ozzie]

only 1 football scool has ever got the death penalty and it was like almost 25 years ago. Im pretty sure this would mean biggest violator now. Not that im sayin its true or that is a real quote, but just cause they havent gotten the death penalty doesnt mean they arent the biggest violator.

besides, with how bad it fucked up SMU, the NCAA will do whatever it can not to give out the death penalty ever again

That's what will make this investigation interesting. Alabama was (and still is) on probation when all of this happened. The pictures date back to September of 2009 through last January 2011. If there were further major violations while on probation, what will the NCAA do? Kill one of the biggest programs in the nation?

And if they don't, and they get yet another slap on the wrist, what would make Uat think they shouldn't continue to cut corners?

Right now there's no "smoking gun", aka, no proof that the alabama players received money or merchandise / services for their signatures. There's just an awful lot of pictures showing current players hanging out with a middle aged guy, both at his store and in private, and signing an awful lot (pics of Julio signing a stack) of jerseys and merchandise that immediately went on sale at his store and online.

Not to mention that we are to believe that Mark Ingram and "Mount" Cody just gave game used gloves (including the ones he used to block Tennessee's FG's in 2009), etc., to their "friend" who owned / operated T-Town Menswear, and that Trent Richardson was just dining out with his "friend", but separate checks, of course.

And that Julio Jones and his girlfriend would just randomly pop into the store and have free access to his "friend's" office, his computer, etc.

Alabama admits that there was something going on, because they've produced a cease and desist form letter ("To whom it may concern") that was supposedly hand delivered to the guy's kiosk in one of the malls (not to the main store) on the same day the OSU findings were hitting the press (December 2010). (Interesting that it wasn't addressed specifically to the store or owner, and not sent via courier or certified mail to confirm receipt)

They've also admitted that they "broke ties" with the guy and his store last March... yet careful did not identify him as a "booster", or in any way affiliated with the school... despite all of the players he was in contact with, the school supported public signings at his store, and the sideline passes and access to the bama football facilities.

At a minimum, they are in violation of allowing active players names and likenesses to be used for advertising. There is solid evidence of that.

But, I'm not going to be a hipocrite and condemn the players for receiving money/merchandise/services until there's proof. I'll just leave it that I believe that the NCAA investigation has begun, and there are other "fans"/"boosters" already being interviewed besides t-town tom.

Like I said before, so far this looks much worse that what OSU was punished for... and OSU was not currently on probation when their violations occurred.

[ozzie]

But more to my point Alabama hasn't been stripped of any titles or really anything other than some wins so with that said I can't see how they'd be worse than a USC which actually had to forfeit a title.

Wait, what? Because they didn't have a conference or MNC title to strip, means that it was somehow not as bad as USC?

"Therefore, pursuant to NCAA Bylaws 19.5.2.2-(e)-(2) and 31.2.2.3-(b), the institution will vacate all wins in which any of the seven football student-athletes identified by the institution as 'intentional wrongdoers' competed while ineligible during the 2005-06 through 2007-08 academic years…The institution’s records regarding all of the involved sports, as well as the records of the head coaches of those sports will reflect the vacated records and will be recorded in all publications in which these records are reported, including, but not limited to, institution media guides, recruiting material, electronic and digital media plus institution and NCAA archives."

We're talking about infractions that spanned 3 years.

So because they went 10 - 2 (and a bowl win), 6 - 7 (bowl loss), and 7 - 6 (bowl win) in those years, means.... what, exactly?

SMU didn't have any MNC's to strip either.

And, no, I don't think the NCAA was comparing them to SMU when they called the program "unmatched by any other member institution in the NCAA". But I'm sure they were looking at their file dating back to 1993 thru present:

In August 1995, the NCAA Infractions Committee claimed four violations of NCAA rules by the Alabama football program. Alabama cornerback Antonio Langham signed with a sports agent and applied to enter the NFL draft in January 1993. Alabama's football program was placed on probation, suffered scholarship limitations, a one year post-season ban (1995), and forfeiture of eight wins and one tie from the 9-3-1 1993 season.

During the 2000 season, an assistant football coach in Memphis, Tennessee claimed that an Alabama booster had paid him $50,000 to encourage one of his players to sign with the Crimson Tide. Following the NCAA investigation, Alabama received a probation from 2002 to 2006, a two-year post-season ban (2002 and 2003), and scholarship reductions. A secret witness was later revealed to be Tennessee coach Phillip Fulmer.

On June 11, 2009, Alabama was sanctioned for textbook-related infractions involving 16 of 19 sports, including football. They were forced to vacate 21 wins from the 2005, 2006, and 2007 seasons and were put on three years probation, ending in June 2012.

Just a reminder that the pictures show "alleged" wrongdoing beginning in September of 2009 thru January 2011.

One of the main reasons SMU got the death penalty was that they had just received probation in 1985, and were caught again within 2 years.

[Snoogans]

That's what will make this investigation interesting. Alabama was (and still is) on probation when all of this happened. The pictures date back to September of 2009 through last January 2011. If there were further major violations while on probation, what will the NCAA do? Kill one of the biggest programs in the nation?

And if they don't, and they get yet another slap on the wrist, what would make Uat think they shouldn't continue to cut corners?

Right now there's no "smoking gun", aka, no proof that the alabama players received money or merchandise / services for their signatures. There's just an awful lot of pictures showing current players hanging out with a middle aged guy, both at his store and in private, and signing an awful lot (pics of Julio signing a stack) of jerseys and merchandise that immediately went on sale at his store and online.

Not to mention that we are to believe that Mark Ingram and "Mount" Cody just gave game used gloves (including the ones he used to block Tennessee's FG's in 2009), etc., to their "friend" who owned / operated T-Town Menswear, and that Trent Richardson was just dining out with his "friend", but separate checks, of course.

And that Julio Jones and his girlfriend would just randomly pop into the store and have free access to his "friend's" office, his computer, etc.

Alabama admits that there was something going on, because they've produced a cease and desist form letter ("To whom it may concern") that was supposedly hand delivered to the guy's kiosk in one of the malls (not to the main store) on the same day the OSU findings were hitting the press (December 2010). (Interesting that it wasn't addressed specifically to the store or owner, and not sent via courier or certified mail to confirm receipt)

They've also admitted that they "broke ties" with the guy and his store last March... yet careful did not identify him as a "booster", or in any way affiliated with the school... despite all of the players he was in contact with, the school supported public signings at his store, and the sideline passes and access to the bama football facilities.

At a minimum, they are in violation of allowing active players names and likenesses to be used for advertising. There is solid evidence of that.

But, I'm not going to be a hipocrite and condemn the players for receiving money/merchandise/services until there's proof. I'll just leave it that I believe that the NCAA investigation has begun, and there are other "fans"/"boosters" already being interviewed besides t-town tom.

Like I said before, so far this looks much worse that what OSU was punished for... and OSU was not currently on probation when their violations occurred.

i have an idea but it might kinda kill the program anyway.

You dont take away seasons. Thats what kills the team the most, not even having games. I say, you give them 2 years where they are allowed to give ZERO scholarships. Make the whole team up of walk ons for 2 years. It will seriously hurt them but i dont think kill them since there will at least still be a program and shit going on. Just a 2 year gap in talent

[ozzie]

i have an idea but it might kinda kill the program anyway.

You dont take away seasons. Thats what kills the team the most, not even having games. I say, you give them 2 years where they are allowed to give ZERO scholarships. Make the whole team up of walk ons for 2 years. It will seriously hurt them but i dont think kill them since there will at least still be a program and shit going on. Just a 2 year gap in talent

Yeah, I would be surprised if they ever "killed" a program again, but as a parent and someone who manages people, I also know that "threatening" punishment only works for so long, and sooner or later, you've got to back it up, or you lose control.

I've had to fire people who I really liked, and did excellent work, when they refused to follow the rules.

I just hope I never have to follow up on my threats to send the boys off to military school. (just kidding... kinda)

Has anyone had a "TV ban" recently? I suffered through Auburn's 1993 undefeated season when none of their games were televised, and they weren't awarded the conference championship, or eligible for a bowl game (or to play for the MNC). That hurt recruiting that year, and took almost a decade to fully recover from. But it also punished every other team on Auburn's schedule for one weekend, so that sucked for them.

"Zero scholarships" for two years wouldn't be a bad compromise, although I'd be curious to monitor how many kids suddenly found the means to "pay their own way" and "walk-on" to the team.

Believe it or not, I really hope nothing seriously happens to bama. It's more fun beating them when they don't have an excuse.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, I would be surprised if they ever "killed" a program again, but as a parent and someone who manages people, I also know that "threatening" punishment only works for so long, and sooner or later, you've got to back it up, or you lose control.

I've had to fire people who I really liked, and did excellent work, when they refused to follow the rules.

I just hope I never have to follow up on my threats to send the boys off to military school. (just kidding... kinda)

Has anyone had a "TV ban" recently? I suffered through Auburn's 1993 undefeated season when none of their games were televised, and they weren't awarded the conference championship, or eligible for a bowl game (or to play for the MNC). That hurt recruiting that year, and took almost a decade to fully recover from. But it also punished every other team on Auburn's schedule for one weekend, so that sucked for them.

"Zero scholarships" for two years wouldn't be a bad compromise, although I'd be curious to monitor how many kids suddenly found the means to "pay their own way" and "walk-on" to the team.

Believe it or not, I really hope nothing seriously happens to bama. It's more fun beating them when they don't have an excuse.

although it could open them up to more money problems, how dumb would you have to be to do something like that after you already were given ZERO scholarships. Besides, if you are using all walk ons, no one on the team will probably be good enough to be given money

[ozzie]

although it could open them up to more money problems, how dumb would you have to be to do something like that after you already were given ZERO scholarships. Besides, if you are using all walk ons, no one on the team will probably be good enough to be given money

I was half joking. Obviously it would be suicide to even attempt to do anything illegal, or even draw suscpicion.

But I can tell you that bama has had kids "walk on" to their team that could start at other D-1A schools... and some that gave up full rides to do so.

It was pretty well documented that before scholarship limitations, "the Bahr" at bama, and a few other big schools, would routinely offer and award scholarships to an unlimited amount of HS prospects, particulary those their competition was going after, rather than playing against them.

Once the NCAA put limits on the total number they could have, they began their "walk on program", encouraging additional prospects that they would have a better future as a walk-on at bama, than on scholarship at a "lesser school" (aka, "That Cow College on the other side of the state!"). Some came from families that could obviously afford it. Others... ???

After bama was put on probation from 2002 to 2006, and had limits put on their total number of scholarships, and how many they could award each year, there was a new found emphasis on their "walk-on program" (http://alabama.scout.com/2/45826.html) that kept their numbers up.

They weren't pulling in #1 recruiting classes, but the cupboard wasn't exactly bare when they hired Saban either.

I think most people would be surprised at the number and quality of players that would "pay their own way" and walk-on to play at Alabama, even while on probation.

It would definitely crush their program for a while, but they wouldn't exactly be the Texas State Armadillos either.

If any program could recover from such a penalty, it would be bama.

[Snoogans]

I was half joking. Obviously it would be suicide to even attempt to do anything illegal, or even draw suscpicion.

But I can tell you that bama has had kids "walk on" to their team that could start at other D-1A schools... and some that gave up full rides to do so.

It was pretty well documented that before scholarship limitations, "the Bahr" at bama, and a few other big schools, would routinely offer and award scholarships to an unlimited amount of HS prospects, particulary those their competition was going after, rather than playing against them.

Once the NCAA put limits on the total number they could have, they began their "walk on program", encouraging additional prospects that they would have a better future as a walk-on at bama, than on scholarship at a "lesser school" (aka, "That Cow College on the other side of the state!"). Some came from families that could obviously afford it. Others... ???

After bama was put on probation from 2002 to 2006, and had limits put on their total number of scholarships, and how many they could award each year, there was a new found emphasis on their "walk-on program" (http://alabama.scout.com/2/45826.html) that kept their numbers up.

They weren't pulling in #1 recruiting classes, but the cupboard wasn't exactly bare when they hired Saban either.

I think most people would be surprised at the number and quality of players that would "pay their own way" and walk-on to play at Alabama, even while on probation.

It would definitely crush their program for a while, but they wouldn't exactly be the Texas State Armadillos either.

If any program could recover from such a penalty, it would be bama.

texas state armadillos fuckin ruled. Id take stone hands on the fuckin giants right now. couldnt be any worse

[cougarjake13]

texas state armadillos fuckin ruled. Id take stone hands on the fuckin giants right now. couldnt be any worse

fucking lucy would dominate tynes

[ozzie]

SPORTSbyBROOKS isn't letting it go. (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/stores-2010-tv-spot-current-bama-player-images-29812)

It's kinda funny. This is the same site/guy/asshole that was making a name for himself last year by posting every rumor / accusation about Cam Newton as fact.

The bammers loved him. They would quote and repeat his "stories" as fact. Paul Finebaum would have him on the air all the time. He was an internet hero to them, as the guy who was doing the investigating for the NCAA, and who was going to bring down Auburn.

Of course, the Auburn side considered him a joke, and actively campaigned to discredit anything he wrote or said on the air.

Now... he's taking hold of the "suitgate" story, and the roles are completely reversed.

He and Clay Travis are receiving death threats (http://outkickthecoverage.com/bama-fan-death-threats-all-that-and-a-bag-of-mail.php), and threatened with "slander" and "defamation" lawsuits... Paul Finebaum suddenly discredits anything reported on his site... and now there are Auburn fans linking to his site as "proof"!

As far as I learned during the Cam shit last year, it's just a guy from Los Angeles, who has no "vendetta" against any school or player in particular. He just seems to jump on any potential "breaking" story, and runs with it until it dies, or the next target comes along.

He seems to get a lot of info from rivals message boards, and he actually wasn't the one to "break" any "news" about Cam, and wasn't the first one on "suitgate".

But the mutherfucker is persistent as hell.

Take it with a grain of salt. The only real difference in this one and the shit he was slinging at Cam, is that he's posting pictures and video clips, and his "stories" are just explanations of how these prove violations, and quoting NCAA by-laws.

[ozzie]

For any "Boom" (aka Will Muschamp) fans:

We all know Will Muschamp is an intense guy, but just how intense? This meter will help you gauge his intensity throughout the season.

Level 1: Calm, but extremely alert. Can hear photosynthesis occurring. Can see air. Looking for someone to try him. Hasn’t had his coffee yet.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-N8_iGywV4k4/Tj1TigpLSzI/AAAAAAAAAC0/cFC9tbER4Pg/s1600/Muschamp.jpg

When is he this intense: Sleeping, eating breakfast, reading the paper, taking questions from the media, staring matches, ordering food, fishing.


Levels 2-3: Excited. Frightens his children when congratulating them. “WAY TO GO, JACKSON! YOU KNOCKED THAT OUT OF THE PARK! DON’T CRY, SON! THIS IS HOW I CLAP! I’M SO GODDAMN PROUD OF YOU, BOY!” Also, how he looks killing a fly.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kT2wLxHPDJs/Tj1TsJe__jI/AAAAAAAAAC4/AOzi8ZRdAnE/s1600/ncf_g_muschamp_200.jpg

When is he this intense: Kids little league games, watching game film, making a sandwich, duck hunting.


Levels 4-6: Just getting warmed up. Does some screaming exercises. Yells ten BOOM MOTHERFUCKERs into a mirror. Moving into his comfort zone. Really needs to hit something.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Yh2Ky7oxF5A/Tj1XvcZKA8I/AAAAAAAAADA/rs_7yh-qSeU/s1600/muschamp13_661723e.jpg

When is he this intense: Opening kickoff, eating a steak, anytime he hears Creedence Clearwater Revival’s “Fortunate Son”, boar hunting.


Levels 7-8: A fist-tornado warning has been issued for the Gainesville area. A fist-tornado was spotted touching down near Ben Hill Griffin Stadium. This fist-tornado is capable of producing high winds, knuckles of fury, spittle, and extreme pain. Seek shelter in the middle of your home.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_9MuvE4xdN0/Tj1Tz_BZ4RI/AAAAAAAAAC8/ethjWQeCxw4/s1600/33793_178131742205567_147635251921883_551097_17893 49_n.jpg

When is he this intense: Defense allows more than zero points, Watching MMA, taking a dump, playing Monopoly, buck hunting.


Level 9: Spontaneous cranial bleeding. Not a single fuck is given.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TtDXY_2C5JU/Tj1X7UpdFnI/AAAAAAAAADE/3tXwoWb-9vA/s1600/will-muschamp-texasjpg-f24c9be07691b7df.jpg

When is he this intense: After losses, lion hunting.


Level 10: Total adrenaline overload. Levitation achieved. Blissful rage. His “Happy Place”. Orgasm imminent.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-p68LjmqftHw/Tj1YCxIU9cI/AAAAAAAAADI/vdvx4RC4I8c/s1600/34807_178515348833873_147635251921883_554382_65240 0_a.jpg

When is he this intense: Rivalry games, sex, hunting the deadliest game–man.

http://bourbonmeyer.com/bourbon-meyer-muschamp-meter/

And of course my fave pic:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/multimedia/dynamic/00659/muschamp-auburn_659867c.jpg

And my favorite "BOOM" moment....

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/JZSy2JH8iu4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

"BOOM!!!!! HIT THAT MOTHERFUCKER'S ASS! THAT'S WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT!!!! KNOCK THESE MUTHERFUCKERS OUT!!! GET UR ASS GOIN', YOU AINT HURT!!!!"!

Hate to have to play against this guy this year.

[ozzie]

Sorry, one more "BOOM"!!!

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With Muschamp running the D, Urban Meyer and Tebow were 0 - 2 against Auburn, and put the only "L" on their 2006 MNC season.

[ozzie]

There's been discussion about the SEC expanding to a 16 team "super-conference".

I know that there have been actual negotiations with Texas A&M, and other members of what was the Big 12. Texas doesn't seem willing to want to play nice with the rest of them, and that conference is on the verge of collapse.

Adding Va Tech would make sense, and add another market that they're not in... but if the SEC starts pursuing expansion, I would expect the ACC to look for teams to add to keep up.

August 22 appears to be D-Day for the 10-member Big 12 as we know it. (http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1250840)

Sources said Thursday the SEC would be interested in adding Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and Virginia Tech in addition to Texas A&M to form a 16-team super conference. Florida State has also been mentioned as a possible target of the SEC, according to Big 12 sources.

[cougarjake13]

maybe once all these conferences merge into one another and theres only like 4 super conferences we will then have a playoff

[ozzie]

maybe once all these conferences merge into one another and theres only like 4 super conferences we will then have a playoff

We can only hope.

Some sources are saying that the Texas state legislature would make aTm's world miserable if they broke their tie's to UT and TTech, etc.

Heard the same with the VA legislature about letting VT leave... although it's not like VT has been in the ACC forever. It wasn't too long ago they and UVA were in different conferences.

uGA and GT seem to coexist just fine in different conferences, while maintaining their "rivalry game" once a year.

Same for UF and FSU, UF and Miami.

I'm still wondering the legality of the states getting involved in the schools athletic programs... but that's the "rumor" anyway.

[CruelCircus]

We can only hope.

Some sources are saying that the Texas state legislature would make aTm's world miserable if they broke their tie's to UT and TTech, etc.

Heard the same with the VA legislature about letting VT leave... although it's not like VT has been in the ACC forever. It wasn't too long ago they and UVA were in different conferences.

uGA and GT seem to coexist just fine in different conferences, while maintaining their "rivalry game" once a year.

Same for UF and FSU, UF and Miami.

I'm still wondering the legality of the states getting involved in the schools athletic programs... but that's the "rumor" anyway.

VT would never leave UVa.
The whole reason they left the Big East at all was to pair up with them. They're exactly where they want to be. If it wasn't for that, they would've happily stayed. Remember, they had to do a major finagle to take Syracuse's spot... UVa didn't even really want them!

[CountryBob]

VT would never leave UVa.
The whole reason they left the Big East at all was to pair up with them. They're exactly where they want to be. If it wasn't for that, they would've happily stayed. Remember, they had to do a major finagle to take Syracuse's spot... UVa didn't even really want them!

I totally disagree with you - VT would leave UVA for the riches and glamor of the SEC.

[Snoogans]

Man the U is fucked right now. 9 fuckin years, 70+ players, coaches, this is massive. the guy apparently even tried to fight the AD at the orange bowl.

they are sayin this might bring back the death penalty

[JimBeam]

Looks like Alabama's not the dirtiest team in the modern age or whatever that quote was.

[Snoogans]

Looks like Alabama's not the dirtiest team in the modern age or whatever that quote was.

seriously, miami has been bending or straight breaking rules for about 30 years goin now. Its a fuckin joke

[razorboy]

Looks like Alabama's not the dirtiest team in the modern age or whatever that quote was.

Well, Saban did hire two of the accused former Miami assistants to keep things close.

[ozzie]

Well, Saban did hire two of the accused former Miami assistants to keep things close.

Exactly.

Since... it seems like, last spring? we've been hearing rumors about a story that Yahoo sports was working on, that was going to be a "10".

(As in, the Ohio State story was a 6 on a scale from 1 to 10... the August story will be a 10!)

Rumors started leaking that it "involved an SEC West Division school".

If this is all it is (that it involved the two former coaches currently at bama)... I don't see yet how it "involved an SEC West Division school"... unless there's more to it than that.

[ozzie]

And the "T-Town Menswear" investigation is still looming for bama.

It looks like they have a lot more hard evidence against the U, but the pictures that are floating around that show the Miami booster and UM players, are very similar to the ones showing the bama players hanging out with their own booster(s) in potentially improper situations (being taken out to dinner by a booster, hanging out at their homes, signing stuff that was put up for sale, etc)

[Snacks]

Every team is doing this shit. You cant stop some rich dork from doing what this asshole did. Colleges will never stop this they can only hope it doesnt come out. This only came out because this little rat weasel went to jail for a ponzi scheme and the players all turned their back on him so he now decided to rat them out as payback. Hes a little bitch and at the end of the day what does any of it matter to any of us? NOTHING

[ozzie]

Every team is doing this shit. You cant stop some rich dork from doing what this asshole did. Colleges will never stop this they can only hope it doesnt come out. This only came out because this little rat weasel went to jail for a ponzi scheme and the players all turned their back on him so he now decided to rat them out as payback. Hes a little bitch and at the end of the day what does any of it matter to any of us? NOTHING

If you're an alum of a school, support their athletic programs, and love college football... it matters.

But you are right that it seems that most schools break / bend rules. There's just too much money at stake.

I heard where Miami football brought in 8 million last year. (Made 25 mil, had 17 mil in expenses).

Overall, the athletic department reported a 5 mil profit.

So, without football, the athletic department loses 3 million a year.

Few schools would eat that kind of loss to keep up all of the other minor athletic programs.

Football is why girls get scholarships to play volleyball. Why boys get scholarships to play golf and tennis.

If you're a parent of a college bound kid... it matters.

[JimBeam]

So I finally saw the 30 For 30 on SMU.

Waching that and hearing some of the comments, which I'm supposing were prior to the Miami issue, I can see that they really don't plan on using the Death Penalty again unless they find something where there was a complete lack of institutional control.

Right now it could be argued that most of the Miami " management " didn't know about the issues with this guy so that could help them.

Now why I may agree that the DP is a tough call I don't think it should be off the table in any situation.

You could make it so that the offending school has to honor it's currently extended scholarships but that they are prevented from offering any new ones during the penalty phase.

That really shouldn't " kill " the program because I'm sure they could field teams with walkons. Sure they won't be anywhere near as strong as they would've been but that's how it goes.

Back to the show.

It was pretty crazy seeing how far they went @ SMU.

I mean how did they not know that it was gonna blow up in their face at some point ?

[cougarjake13]

So I finally saw the 30 For 30 on SMU.

Waching that and hearing some of the comments, which I'm supposing were prior to the Miami issue, I can see that they really don't plan on using the Death Penalty again unless they find something where there was a complete lack of institutional control.

Right now it could be argued that most of the Miami " management " didn't know about the issues with this guy so that could help them.

Now why I may agree that the DP is a tough call I don't think it should be off the table in any situation.

You could make it so that the offending school has to honor it's currently extended scholarships but that they are prevented from offering any new ones during the penalty phase.

That really shouldn't " kill " the program because I'm sure they could field teams with walkons. Sure they won't be anywhere near as strong as they would've been but that's how it goes.

Back to the show.

It was pretty crazy seeing how far they went @ SMU.

I mean how did they not know that it was gonna blow up in their face at some point ?



same as most things

they get away with it long enough they dont think they'll ever get caught

[Snoogans]

same as most things

they get away with it long enough they dont think they'll ever get caught

you must not have seen the movie. they got caught like 4 times and kept doing it

[ozzie]

Anyone north of the mason-dixon hearing about, or following the bar fight involving Jordan Jefferson and 3 other LSU players?

LSU players meet with police investigators about bar fight (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/08/23/lsu-bar-fight.ap/index.html)

They open with #3 Oregon (at Jerry Jones' place) in 11 days.

They still have Jarrett Lee (Senior QB, lots of experience). Just curious who's taking snaps with the first team down there.

[JimBeam]

Anyone north of the mason-dixon hearing about, or following the bar fight involving Jordan Jefferson and 3 other LSU players?

LSU players meet with police investigators about bar fight (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/08/23/lsu-bar-fight.ap/index.html)

They open with #3 Oregon (at Jerry Jones' place) in 11 days.

They still have Jarrett Lee (Senior QB, lots of experience). Just curious who's taking snaps with the first team down there.

I saw a bunch of my friends had something about it on their Facebook statuses but haven't followed-up on it.

[JimBeam]

you must not have seen the movie. they got caught like 4 times and kept doing it

What was so insane was that a guy that eventually went on to be governor was a major part of the issue.

[cougarjake13]

you must not have seen the movie. they got caught like 4 times and kept doing it

no i didnt

had the 30 for 30 on my dvr but the box got fried so i never got to watch

[ozzie]

Georgia Unveils Nike Pro Combat Uniform (http://www.georgiadogs.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/082011aad.html)

Hideous. Enough already.

http://www.nikeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Georgia-Pro-Combat-Uniforms.jpg

[cougarjake13]

Georgia Unveils Nike Pro Combat Uniform (http://www.georgiadogs.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/082011aad.html)

Hideous. Enough already.

http://www.nikeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Georgia-Pro-Combat-Uniforms.jpg

wait til the nfl unis come out

[ozzie]

wait til the nfl unis come out

Wait... Reebok-Pro-Combat?

pfft... ripoff.

Or the gawd-awful throwbacks?

Or the PINK accented weeks?

Can't decide which is worse.

[JimBeam]

Watching the new Palmer & Pollack Show debuting on ESPNU.

Both are fairly knowledgeable so it should be a good show ( if not too long at 3 hours ).

Palmer mentioned that paying players would help limit boosters from impacting teams and that's just plain ludicrous.

As Pollack pointed out if you give a guy $1000 what makes you think that's enough and the he wouldn't take another $500 on the side.

[ozzie]

Where's mudo? Is this for real?

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6063/6071338551_8a4872450f_o.jpg

And the full range of ridiculousness...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/08/23/Sports/Images/sp-terpsfashion_06_1314059400.jpg?uuid=HIxhGM0fEeCWkZ 4yhu9BKQ

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/08/23/Sports/Images/sp-terpsfashion_09_1314060121.jpg?uuid=zQaigs0gEeCWkZ 4yhu9BKQ

[CountryBob]

1 more day - and the fun begins!

[cougarjake13]

1 more day - and the fun begins!




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[Snoogans]

good to see rutgers finally start a season like they should and finally beat up on one of the lower level schools. 48-0. Defense looked great. Dodd made a few stupid passes, esp the INT, but he made some good throws and it coulda been worse but the receivers dropped a few open passes that prob woulda went for TDs.

Defense looked great. Moving around guys to get more speed looks like its gonna help. they finally got back to what schiano was doin when they were having their big years, and thats bringing pressure from the 2ndary and the LBs almost all the time and mixing up coverages. They moved a LB to the DL, a saftey to LB, 2 corners to saftey and 3 receivers/RBs to corner and now they have speed all over.

Im not gettin crazy but these people who picked Rutgers last might be off a bit. They looked much improved

[CountryBob]

good to see rutgers finally start a season like they should and finally beat up on one of the lower level schools. 48-0. Defense looked great. Dodd made a few stupid passes, esp the INT, but he made some good throws and it coulda been worse but the receivers dropped a few open passes that prob woulda went for TDs.

Defense looked great. Moving around guys to get more speed looks like its gonna help. they finally got back to what schiano was doin when they were having their big years, and thats bringing pressure from the 2ndary and the LBs almost all the time and mixing up coverages. They moved a LB to the DL, a saftey to LB, 2 corners to saftey and 3 receivers/RBs to corner and now they have speed all over.

Im not gettin crazy but these people who picked Rutgers last might be off a bit. They looked much improved

Congrats - always a good feeling to come out the gate with all cylinders clicking

[Rhah]

Hoping I can say the same for the Fighting Illini. Not likely though.

[foodcourtdruide]

Georgia Unveils Nike Pro Combat Uniform (http://www.georgiadogs.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/082011aad.html)

Hideous. Enough already.

http://www.nikeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Georgia-Pro-Combat-Uniforms.jpg

So if the players got paid, it would compromise the integrity and purity of the sport. However, when the school whores out the uniform to advertisers it's ok.

College football not paying players has got to be one of the greatest American cons.

[JimBeam]

Im not gettin crazy but these people who picked Rutgers last might be off a bit. They looked much improved

Somebody on the radio this morning pciked the to have 5 to 7 wins.

[Snoogans]

Somebody on the radio this morning pciked the to have 5 to 7 wins.

most of the pundants have them finishing 8th in the big east. I dont get it, even with last years 4-8 shit, they have alot of talent on the team. Too much to be that bad again. Louisville didnt look better than them yesterday. I think they will beat louisville, Cuse, UConn, both the service academies they play. Thats 6 including last night right there. And i dont see why everyone thinks they cant beat USF or Pitt. They arent that good either

[ozzie]

Hoping I can say the same for the Fighting Illini. Not likely though.

We were at the Auburn opener against Arkansas State last year. Those boys came ready to play.

They have a new HC this year (who was their DC last year), so we'll see, but I'd expect the same, if not more, intensity and focus on pulling off an upset.

If the Illini struggle a bit, don't be too concerned. ASU has the same QB back this year, and the kid can throw. Most of their RB's and WR's are back too, so don't be shocked if they put up a few points... IF they've found anyone that can block. Only one lineman returned.

[ozzie]

most of the pundants have them finishing 8th in the big east. I dont get it, even with last years 4-8 shit, they have alot of talent on the team. Too much to be that bad again. Louisville didnt look better than them yesterday. I think they will beat louisville, Cuse, UConn, both the service academies they play. Thats 6 including last night right there. And i dont see why everyone thinks they cant beat USF or Pitt. They arent that good either

Fuck the polls and the pundants. Louisville looked like dogshit yesterday. A lot of new coaching staffs in that conference. Anyone who thinks they can predict how they'll play is full of shit.

[Snoogans]

Fuck the polls and the pundants. Louisville looked like dogshit yesterday. A lot of new coaching staffs in that conference. Anyone who thinks they can predict how they'll play is full of shit.

i thought about the coaching thing, but aside from schiano, rutgers is almost all new coaches. They seem better than the old ones. Schiano is also back to calling the plays for Defense and no stupid wild cat.

i think the offense will only get better, esp once they settle on 2 backs and let them get their rhythms. They used like 5 guys last night

[Snoogans]

1-0 and they have left
@UNC - this will be tough, but a win in this game could do huge things for the rest of the year
Ohio - better fuckin win
@Syracuse - Should win, game is at Cuse though
PITT - dont get why everyone thinks pitt is that good. Plus we took 2 of their guys
Navy - Navy is fuckin solid, but we should have enough speed to handle that on D
@ Louisville - They suck. Should win there
WV - Never beat them, but its at home and they have all new staff. So maybe
USF - Home and rutgers always plays well against them
@ army at yankee stadium - no excuse to lose
Cincy - Falling down i think
@UCONN who will BLOW

i see no reason why they wont win 8 and cant win 10. if they get momentum goin next week against UNC i really think they could be 7-0 goin into the WV game

[CountryBob]

I'm nervous about VaTech opening with Appy State - them dudes know how to win and beat Div 1 teams (Michigan).

We have a new QB this year - dont know what to expect...

[ozzie]

1-0 and they have left
@UNC - this will be tough, but a win in this game could do huge things for the rest of the year
Ohio - better fuckin win
@Syracuse - Should win, game is at Cuse though
PITT - dont get why everyone thinks pitt is that good. Plus we took 2 of their guys
Navy - Navy is fuckin solid, but we should have enough speed to handle that on D
@ Louisville - They suck. Should win there
WV - Never beat them, but its at home and they have all new staff. So maybe
USF - Home and rutgers always plays well against them
@ army at yankee stadium - no excuse to lose
Cincy - Falling down i think
@UCONN who will BLOW

i see no reason why they wont win 8 and cant win 10. if they get momentum goin next week against UNC i really think they could be 7-0 goin into the WV game

I was a little surprised and bummed that no one had the 'cuse game televised last night.

But they had Illinois State at Eastern Illinois??? Even the South Alabama vs West Alabama game was televised.

Hard to make anything out of them beating Wake. All I got from the highlights was they had to come from behind, and OT to win.

And UNC is only about a -17 favorite over James-Madison right now, and most don't even have this one on their board. Talk about a NEW coaching staff, and an unknown quantity.

It's proabably in your favor to catch them early in the season.

[Snoogans]

I was a little surprised and bummed that no one had the 'cuse game televised last night.

But they had Illinois State at Eastern Illinois??? Even the South Alabama vs West Alabama game was televised.

Hard to make anything out of them beating Wake. All I got from the highlights was they had to come from behind, and OT to win.

And UNC is only about a -17 favorite over James-Madison right now, and most don't even have this one on their board. Talk about a NEW coaching staff, and an unknown quantity.

It's proabably in your favor to catch them early in the season.

true, but the same was the case last year with all the guys suspended, and it was at RU and they still lost. Thats why i think, no matter what, thats a big game for the team itself. To go down to NC and beat an ACC team will not only help the team but help the overall view of the team i think. It will give the kids a big boost goin forward, esp with a nice ohio home tune up before Cuse

[ozzie]

true, but the same was the case last year with all the guys suspended, and it was at RU and they still lost. Thats why i think, no matter what, thats a big game for the team itself. To go down to NC and beat an ACC team will not only help the team but help the overall view of the team i think. It will give the kids a big boost goin forward, esp with a nice ohio home tune up before Cuse

New staff, new QB... a RB and CB bailed on them last month, so not a lot of depth or experience in either offensive or defensive backfields... not quite the same team as last year.

Pretty sure that's why vegas won't touch their opener until they see what they're made of.

[Snoogans]

you fools better be watchin. Gettin some national play for the future big east runner ups TCU

[Snoogans]

they just called the worst unsportsmanlike penalty i have ever seen on that baylor guy

he rubbed his hand across his chest after a TD catch....seriously?


NFL is uppity about that shit. but they run the league, so its up to them. NBA runs their league, and they let guys celebrate and shit. Fine

The NCAA governs both football and college basketball. Why are NCAA BBallers allowed to jump all around and hold out their jersey and dance with teammates after they hit big buckets, after a run that forces a time out. Other guys come on the fuckin court and they all have a big 12 man chest bump. no problem. No Ts, no penalty for it.

But in football you cant dance and jump around and pull out your jersey to celebrate TDs. You cant get together in an 11 man group and dance around. Whats the fuckin difference?

[disneyspy]

http://www.greatlakesteamapparel.com/images/uploads/236.jpg


glad U of M is sticking to the classic

[disneyspy]

the last time some utes had this much success in alabama my cousin vinny had to come in

[disneyspy]

holy shit that was a nice on side kick recovery by auburn

[Snoogans]

ozzie must be dyin

[Tenbatsuzen]

One thing that really impressed me about Rutgers is Eric Legrand sounded REALLY great on WOR doing pregame analysis. I wonder if it's prerecorded so they can take out the breathing gaps he has when he's talking for a long period of time, because it sounded that smooth.

Holgorsen has promised super-high octane offense. Well, anything is better than seeing this on the sidelines:

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/737595/billstewartomgeyes_thumb_medium.jpg

[cougarjake13]

One thing that really impressed me about Rutgers is Eric Legrand sounded REALLY great on WOR doing pregame analysis. I wonder if it's prerecorded so they can take out the breathing gaps he has when he's talking for a long period of time, because it sounded that smooth.

Holgorsen has promised super-high octane offense. Well, anything is better than seeing this on the sidelines:

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/737595/billstewartomgeyes_thumb_medium.jpg

looks like hes straining to shit

[ozzie]

ozzie must be dyin

That was brutal.

[JimBeam]

I know it's only the 1st week but based on 2 games this past weekend it may seem like the SEC won't be able to flaunt it's OOC schedule so far.

With Auburn I know a win is a win and they are replacing some people but Utah St was 4-8 last year and only scored 38 points 3 times ( in wins against Idaho St and San Jose St and a loss to Nevada ).

Georgia losing to Boise St is what's going to hurt the most. It was always " Boise St can't keep up with the SEC. " and for the most part it's probably true but there will be no hiding from that game unless Georgia goes 3-9 and can be brushed off as just not that good.

That doesn't seem likely and they will probably be relevant making Boise St more so ( unless they lose a game ).

One thing bothering me so far is the hype LSU is getting for beating Oregon.

Not that a win against a good Top 5 team isn't something to brag about but I keep haring about how good LSU's defense was.

They gave up 27 points. Not exactly the 1992 Alabama defense.

[ozzie]

I know it's only the 1st week but based on 2 games this past weekend it may seem like the SEC won't be able to flaunt it's OOC schedule so far.

With Auburn I know a win is a win and they are replacing some people but Utah St was 4-8 last year and only scored 38 points 3 times ( in wins against Idaho St and San Jose St and a loss to Nevada ).

Georgia losing to Boise St is what's going to hurt the most. It was always " Boise St can't keep up with the SEC. " and for the most part it's probably true but there will be no hiding from that game unless Georgia goes 3-9 and can be brushed off as just not that good.

That doesn't seem likely and they will probably be relevant making Boise St more so ( unless they lose a game ).

One thing bothering me so far is the hype LSU is getting for beating Oregon.

Not that a win against a good Top 5 team isn't something to brag about but I keep haring about how good LSU's defense was.

They gave up 27 points. Not exactly the 1992 Alabama defense.

The bad thing is, there are not many other big OOC games for the SEC schools this year to really judge that conference against any other.

bama @ Penn State this week
Auburn @ Clemson the following week
LSU @ West Virginia in week 4
Arkansas vs aTm in week 5
Florida vs Florida State in week 13

At this point, the winner of the LSU @ bama game looks like a shoe-in for a spot in the MNC game... but they could be in trouble if the SEC champ isn't undefeated this year. If it comes down to a one-loss SEC school vs an undefeated Boise State... that UGA win might finally be what they need to put them in.

Unless, of course, like you said, we find out that uga was crap, and they actually beat a lower tier team... and, as always, the computers start hating on Boise the longer they play that weak schedule.

But that's the only type of undefeated school that a one-loss SEC champ would jump. If any two of the other BCS schools run the table, the perceived "down year" for the SEC could keep them out of the MNC game this year.

The winner of Oklahoma @ Florida State in week 3 will control their own destiny the rest of the year... but being so early in the season, the loser would have time to win back the voters.

Stanford gets most all of their "big" games at home.

Va Tech has a favorable schedule as well, and wouldn't have to face FSU unless they met in the ACCCG.

Wisconsin has those two weeks on the road against MSU and OSU, but the rest looks winable.

And while it might be a good thing for college football to end the streak of MNC's by one conference... if they're not involved in the game, I'm not sure it would be as meaningful.

It would mean more if someone actually beat an SEC school in the MNC game, rather than just shutting them out with a vote.

Personally... I hope we do end up with 6 major conference champs all with at least one loss, and Boise State undefeated. Just enough of a clusterfuck, and hurt feelings at the end of the year to get more people pressuring the NCAA to finally take control of how to determine a champion.

[CountryBob]

Va Tech has the weakest schedule that they have had in a long time - so, on paper they should be unbeaten when they reach the ACC title game. But, they always find a way to fuck things up so I feel that they will have lost 1 if not 2 games by then....


They piss me off so fucking much - like having a wife that you love but hate.

[ozzie]

SEC prez's have voted to accept aTm... unless Baylor (or someone from the old Big 12) files a suit. (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6939017/texas-aggies-accepted-sec-legal-threat-delays-move)

If (or when) it happens, they likely will pursue a 14th school... if not a 15th and 16th.

Still an outside chance they'd pursue Va Tech, but more likely another one (or more) from the old Big 12.

Va Tech has the weakest schedule that they have had in a long time - so, on paper they should be unbeaten when they reach the ACC title game. But, they always find a way to fuck things up so I feel that they will have lost 1 if not 2 games by then....


They piss me off so fucking much - like having a wife that you love but hate.

Yeah, I really "try" to keep my expectations in check... but it's not easy when you see a certain level of talent, and the opportunity is there.

I'm kinda pissed off at some of the reactions to Auburn's performance last Saturday. I'm not sure what their expectations were, but only returning 6 starters, and really only 1 on each of the O and D lines, I was ready for them to struggle a bit early on. I guess others weren't.

But, still, it's NEVER easy to watch your lines get blown off the ball by a middle-of-the-road WAC school, and it doesn't bode well for the rest of the year.

Auburn's fall camps have never been very physical, and it shows in their opener every year. Which is why I'm usually relieved when they avoid a BCS school for game 1.

I think they gained a lot of experience on Saturday, and will make plenty of adjustments, but you can't coach size. I'm not sure right now they have the size on the D-line or LB's to be competitive in the SEC this year. They're stuck in the 4-3 because they don't have a true nose, or really anyone competent/experienced in the 3-technique.

Losing Cam hurt. But losing Fairley and the rest of the interior d-line is really exposing a weakness. They'll still score points, but holding the opposition in check will be a challenge.

We'll find out Saturday. Miss State and their O-line and running game will be the real test, and right now they're favored by 7 on the road. After week 1, I can't really argue with those odds.

In fact, except for Fla Atlantic and Samford, AU may be the "underdog" in every other game they play this year.

[CountryBob]

SEC prez's have voted to accept aTm... unless Baylor (or someone from the old Big 12) files a suit. (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6939017/texas-aggies-accepted-sec-legal-threat-delays-move)

If (or when) it happens, they likely will pursue a 14th school... if not a 15th and 16th.

Still an outside chance they'd pursue Va Tech, but more likely another one (or more) from the old Big 12.



Yeah, I really "try" to keep my expectations in check... but it's not easy when you see a certain level of talent, and the opportunity is there.

I'm kinda pissed off at some of the reactions to Auburn's performance last Saturday. I'm not sure what their expectations were, but only returning 6 starters, and really only 1 on each of the O and D lines, I was ready for them to struggle a bit early on. I guess others weren't.

But, still, it's NEVER easy to watch your lines get blown off the ball by a middle-of-the-road WAC school, and it doesn't bode well for the rest of the year.

Auburn's fall camps have never been very physical, and it shows in their opener every year. Which is why I'm usually relieved when they avoid a BCS school for game 1.

I think they gained a lot of experience on Saturday, and will make plenty of adjustments, but you can't coach size. I'm not sure right now they have the size on the D-line to be competitive in the SEC this year. They're stuck in the 4-3 because they don't have a true nose, or really anyone competent/experienced in the 3-technique.

Losing Cam hurt. But losing Fairley and the rest of the interior d-line is really exposing a weakness. They'll still score points, but holding the opposition in check will be a challenge.

We'll find out Saturday. Miss State and their O-line and running game will be the real test, and right now they're favored by 7 on the road. After week 1, I can't really argue with those odds.

In fact, except for Fla Atlantic and Samford, AU may be the "underdog" in every other game they play this year.

I took Auburn and the points - I expect a better game this week.

[JimBeam]

SEC prez's have voted to accept aTm... unless Baylor (or someone from the old Big 12) files a suit.

If (or when) it happens, they likely will pursue a 14th school... if not a 15th and 16th.

Still an outside chance they'd pursue Va Tech, but more likely another one (or more) from the old Big 12.

When it had initially come up they mentioned A&M, Clemson, FSU and Missouri.

I think Missouri is considered a good academic school so that might be one of the reasons they like them.

I'd have thought they'd try and get FSU and Miami together but w/ the taint of the recent investigation Miami might not be a good choice.

I think if they grabbed Clemson they should also try for UNC.

That'd give them a huge boost in basketball too so it wouldn't be seen as just a football move.

To me the good adds would be A&M, FSU, Miami and UNC.

In all of this, including the possible PAC12 pick ups of Big 12-less-1 schools, I hope that Texas gets left out.

It bothers me that they think they are the much of an independent entity.

[Snoogans]

North Carolina is a 10.5 point favorite against Rutgers this week.

They both have alot of questions, but i think Rutgers defense is fast enough to keep it close. I dont see them losing, if they lose, by 10 or more. Might have to make a call


DONT SAY A WORD HIPPO

[CountryBob]

North Carolina is a 10.5 point favorite against Rutgers this week.

They both have alot of questions, but i think Rutgers defense is fast enough to keep it close. I dont see them losing, if they lose, by 10 or more. Might have to make a call


DONT SAY A WORD HIPPO

I stayed away from this game - too early to tell what UNC has....

[ozzie]

When it had initially come up they mentioned A&M, Clemson, FSU and Missouri.

I think Missouri is considered a good academic school so that might be one of the reasons they like them.

I'd have thought they'd try and get FSU and Miami together but w/ the taint of the recent investigation Miami might not be a good choice.

I think if they grabbed Clemson they should also try for UNC.

That'd give them a huge boost in basketball too so it wouldn't be seen as just a football move.

To me the good adds would be A&M, FSU, Miami and UNC.

In all of this, including the possible PAC12 pick ups of Big 12-less-1 schools, I hope that Texas gets left out.

It bothers me that they think they are the much of an independent entity.

The SEC has UN officially said that they won't consider schools in state's where they are already in.

That implies that FSU and Miami are out... UN officially.

aTm is a huge get because of the TV market.

Va Tech would be huge as well.

To go to 16, that makes the next likely candidates as schools from Oklahoma, Missouri, and North Carolina.

They like the fact that Mizzou gets KC and StL tv markets, and they'd love to get a foothold into Virginia, particularly northern VA.

Ok and OkSt aren't likely to separate without major litigation.

[ozzie]

North Carolina is a 10.5 point favorite against Rutgers this week.

They both have alot of questions, but i think Rutgers defense is fast enough to keep it close. I dont see them losing, if they lose, by 10 or more. Might have to make a call


DONT SAY A WORD HIPPO

I didn't see the UNC game vs James Madison, nor even a single highlight.

BUT... that kid Renner was 22 of 23 passing. The one miss was an INT.

I don't care who it's against, that's pretty damn impressive for your first start.

How did Rutgers secondary and pass rush look last week?

Schiano needs to dial up some pressure, or this kid may pick y'all apart.

[Snoogans]

I didn't see the UNC game vs James Madison, nor even a single highlight.

BUT... that kid Renner was 22 of 23 passing. The one miss was an INT.

I don't care who it's against, that's pretty damn impressive for your first start.

How did Rutgers secondary and pass rush look last week?

Schiano needs to dial up some pressure, or this kid may pick y'all apart.

9 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 2 INTs, one that was returned for a TD. they looked fast. They moved RBs and WRs to corner, a corner to saftey, 2 safties to LB and a LB to DE to try to get faster and they looked it. It looked like how it used to be when schiano was running it, which he is again now and didnt the last 3 years. Thats why i think, they can at the very least, keep it close.

But yea, that kid looked pretty fuckin good against JMU. And he is fast and can run the option

[CountryBob]

9 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 2 INTs, one that was returned for a TD. they looked fast. They moved RBs and WRs to corner, a corner to saftey, 2 safties to LB and a LB to DE to try to get faster and they looked it. It looked like how it used to be when schiano was running it, which he is again now and didnt the last 3 years. Thats why i think, they can at the very least, keep it close.

But yea, that kid looked pretty fuckin good against JMU. And he is fast and can run the option

This means that your linebacker play has to be excellent - how's RU's backers?

[ozzie]

I took Auburn and the points - I expect a better game this week.

Similar situation last year. MSU came out and destroyed Memphis 49 - 3.

Auburn gave up a lot of yards and 26 pts to Arkansas State in their opener.

The smart money was on MSU pulling an upset, or at least covering.

Auburn ended up effectively holding their offense in check, and only 14 pts. And that was on the road in Starkville.

Relf (MSU QB) has been known to struggle on the road. I really wish this was a night game where the crowd would be more rowdy. 11:21 am kickoff is actually in MSU's favor... but it's still a hostile environment.

I'd take Auburn and the points this year too... although I expect a higher scoring game than last year.

[Snoogans]

[/B]

This means that your linebacker play has to be excellent - how's RU's backers?

i actually like them. They moved beauharnis back to middle where he was all big east caliber 2 years ago. They moved Kasim Greene, who was a hard hitting safety down to strong side to chase down options basically, and they shuffle through the old starters basically for the weak side and spells. From what i could tell against a weak first opponent, they are fast and they didnt miss many tackles. So hopefully they can hang with it.

They also moved a good OLB down to DE and stand him up once inawhile and move him around on triple wings and shit. Schiano is back calling the defense and theyt were bringing guys from everywhere. It reminded me alot of what the Jets have done the past 2 years, actually

[ozzie]

Fuck the polls and the pundants. Louisville looked like dogshit yesterday. A lot of new coaching staffs in that conference. Anyone who thinks they can predict how they'll play is full of shit.

I think I underestimated Louisville. They're even worse than I thought.

Either that, or FIU is really that good.

I remember questioning Rutger's decision to play them on the road in their opener last year, and them almost pulling the upset.

I'd watch out for those south Florida schools, especially now that they have the potential to go into Miami's neighborhood and compete for talent while they're on probation... or dead, whichever comes first.

[razorboy]

Either that, or FIU is really that good.

They aren't a great team, but they're deep with south Florida talent. Cristobal has done a good job recruiting the kids the bigger Florida schools pass on or wont offer starting time to and T.Y. Hilton is a stud.

[Snoogans]

I think I underestimated Louisville. They're even worse than I thought.

Either that, or FIU is really that good.

I remember questioning Rutger's decision to play them on the road in their opener last year, and them almost pulling the upset.

I'd watch out for those south Florida schools, especially now that they have the potential to go into Miami's neighborhood and compete for talent while they're on probation... or dead, whichever comes first.

a little of both. FIU is better than people think, and Mario Cristobal is doin a solid job down there.

But louisville blows too

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wait... Reebok-Pro-Combat?

pfft... ripoff.

Or the gawd-awful throwbacks?

Or the PINK accented weeks?

Can't decide which is worse.

Dunno if anyone answered this question, but Nike has the NFL Uniforms and apparel contract next year, taking over from Reebok

They'll do everything but hats, which New Era takes care of (thank GOD on that. New Era BP hats are my favorite thing EVER)

[Snoogans]

the defense is fuckin playing outstanding. 3 turnovers through a quarter and a half. But chas dodd and whoever is callin offensive plays are faggots

1st and goal at the 2, NO points, 2 more short fields on turnovers, incluyding a drive startin at the UNC 25, FGs

PUSSIES

[Snoogans]

i really hope im the only one watching this. I wanna fuckin puke

[KnoxHarrington]

a little of both. FIU is better than people think, and Mario Cristobal is doin a solid job down there.

But louisville blows too

Louisville looked like it was trying to enter the top tier of college football, or at least the higher portion of the 2nd tier, but they've really slid backwards in the past couple of years.

I guess that that gimmick of playing your games Wednesday night or Tuesday morning or whenever you can get on one or the other of the ESPN networks only takes you so far.

[Snoogans]

Mohammad Sanu will be on top plays tonight. What a fuckin TD grab he just made

[disneyspy]

holy shit,toledo just took the lead over ohio state,i'm fuckin dancin over here

[Snoogans]

rutgers has forced 5 TOs and only have 15 points. Fuckin BUMS on offense


except sanu

[Snoogans]

the end of that ND michigan game was fantastic

[Tenbatsuzen]

the end of that ND michigan game was fantastic

the entire 4th was fantastic. A huge D stand after that Robinson INT with 4 mins left

[Tenbatsuzen]

i really hope im the only one watching this. I wanna fuckin puke

I was watching both the WVU and Rutgers games. While WVU snapped out of their funk at halftime, RU did not. Just terrible.

[Snacks]

Is there a team in college that is more over-hyped every single year then ND? Im so happy they lost! There are teams I dont like but only 1 team I hate and its them!

[disneyspy]

the end of that ND michigan game was fantastic

i was in bed trying to go to sleep but couldn't,holy shit that was a great ending

[cougarjake13]

i was in bed trying to go to sleep but couldn't,holy shit that was a great ending




fucking awesome !!


but gotta suck to be a notre dame fan


2games they shoulda won but didnt

[JessRabbit35]

Shitty start this year for my Georgia Bulldogs

[ozzie]

Mohammad Sanu will be on top plays tonight. What a fuckin TD grab he just made

That was sick!

I got my kid a pair of receiver's gloves last year. Wish we had those when I was playing. A lot cleaner than the old stick-em.

Still, gloves or not, that was a helluva grab.

[CountryBob]

Shitty start this year for my Georgia Bulldogs

Richt is on the hot seat now ....

[ozzie]

I don't get these early vegas odds.

Maryland (at home) is favored (slightly) over WVU?

UConn (at home), who lost to frickin Vandy... is favored over Iowa State... who just beat Iowa...

Yet Iowa is favored (at home) over Pitt?

And Notre Dame (at home) is favored over Michigan State?

Ok... the ND one isn't that much of a shock, knowing how their fan base likes to throw their money around.

Oh, and we get tOSU @ Miami this week playing in the "IneligiBowl"! Ha!

[Snoogans]

will Joe Pa finally get fired if Penn State loses to Temple?

[Snoogans]

Rutgers has been involved in talks with the ACC about possible membership over the past two days and its lines of communications with the Big Ten have remained open and "are active," according to a highly-placed college official.

from the star ledger. Cuse and Pitt are goin to ACC to make it 14. ACC considering UConn and rutgers to go to 16. Pac 12 is offering texas, texas tech, oklahoma and ok state into pac 12 to make it pac 16.

So now rutgers is either going ACC or Big Ten. They both want in that NY market and NJ recruiting, especially as NJ HS gets better and better. So with all this craziness, im sure rutgers is going to end up ok. But man shit is gonna get crazy

[Snoogans]

"This is not the kind of thing that causes us to get to work," he said. "We continue, and have since I started on the job, to be very active in this space, and given our assets and the location, the New York TV market, our AAU status and strong academic standing -- and most of all, given all the nonsense that's going on out there (and) running a clean program high on integrity -- we have great assets. And we will continue to be a player nationally at this time as the landscape continues to shift."


that shit right there sounds a whole lot more like Big Ten than it does ACC

[disneyspy]

since acceptance last year to the big 10 came down to nebraska and rutgers,i'm pretty sure if the big 10's only one new school a year plan rutgers will get accepted just on the number 1 tv market proximity. MICHIGAN'S fab five and OHIO STATE'S constant cheating have thrown out any moral integrity the conference might have once claimed

[JimBeam]

I don't think the ACC should get too excited because I'm sure the SEC is going to steal at least 2 of their teams.

I still wish that the PAC12 would leave Texas and Texas Tech out of their mix.

Texas because they are way too high on themselves and Texas Tech just because they're nobodies.

Can we really envision a scenario where there are the 4 super conferences and they actually do pull out of the NCAA ?

I know it's working that way but seeing that happen seems too wierd.

Not that it'd be either bad or good but just doesn't seem like it'll happen.

[Snoogans]

ok with the new developments, lets assume htey are true. acc grabs the 2 big easts, and mizzou is goin to SEC with A&M

UConn also wants to go to the ACC. So that leaves 6 teams (including TCU) in the big east. And it leaves 98 teams now in the big 12.

Merge them and do whatever you gotta do to add the midwest patsies that are ND.

Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma St, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas St, Notre Dame, Louisville, Cincy, WV, USF, Rutgers, Iowa State, Then you can take your pick of a few others schools for the last spot. Maybe even say, Boise State

[joeyballsack]

How is the Big East retaining a automatic BCS berth with this latest change ?

They were already the worst conference to get an automatic berth, and this only weakens them further.

[Snoogans]

How is the Big East retaining a automatic BCS berth with this latest change ?

They were already the worst conference to get an automatic berth, and this only weakens them further.

do what i said above. if they dont merge, i cant see how the big east even exists cause the ACC will take UConn and probably Rutgers and everyone else will cherry pick the rest

[ozzie]

If "super-conferences" = playoffs, I'm all for it, and interested.

Otherwise, it's just a waste of time and espn news crawl space.

[cougarjake13]

If "super-conferences" = playoffs, I'm all for it, and interested.

Otherwise, it's just a waste of time and espn news crawl space.



100 %


every time they bring up teams moving thats all im thinking is i hope it leads to a playoff

[JimBeam]

" Word " is ND would want to go to the ACC if forced out of it's football independece.

Not sure why that would make any sense.

If they go anywhere it has to be the Big 10sih.

I heard a number on the radio the other day ( not sure what show ) that said the Big 10 gurantees it's member schools $23 million a year from the Big 10 Network .

I don't see an ACC Network mathcing that.

[JimBeam]

What kinda sackless coward did they have running the Big 12 ?

He let's a school force him out of his job ?

I hope expansion continues to happen, without the Big 12, and then they get locked out of the eventual BCS or Super Conference scenarios.

I know it wouldn't happen but it'd be nice to see both Oklahoma and Texas go f themselves.

[Gutter]

Oh shit!!! Marist grads!! I went there. and graduated.

[Snoogans]

What kinda sackless coward did they have running the Big 12 ?

He let's a school force him out of his job ?

I hope expansion continues to happen, without the Big 12, and then they get locked out of the eventual BCS or Super Conference scenarios.

I know it wouldn't happen but it'd be nice to see both Oklahoma and Texas go f themselves.

i found that hilarious too. You run the big 12. You just let 12.5% of your base force you out? Oklahoma sucks anyway, they fuck it up every year. if i was beebe i woulda told Oklahoma to fuck off, and then called TCU. Besides, the Pac 12 told Oklahoma no. Where the fuck were they gonna go?

[CountryBob]

i found that hilarious too. You run the big 12. You just let 12.5% of your base force you out? Oklahoma sucks anyway, they fuck it up every year. if i was beebe i woulda told Oklahoma to fuck off, and then called TCU. Besides, the Pac 12 told Oklahoma no. Where the fuck were they gonna go?

I think there must be some behind the scenes shit that was said by Bebe that he is running from.

[cougarjake13]

I think there must be some behind the scenes shit that was said by Bebe that he is running from.

gotta be why else would he bow out so easy

[disneyspy]

ha,watching the michigan/san diego state game on the BTN and the aztec mascot is a mexican that flexes his bicep and says "wuzzup wuzzup" into the camera,has to be the worst mascot in college sports

[Snoogans]

ha,watching the michigan/san diego state game on the BTN and the aztec mascot is a mexican that flexes his bicep and says "wuzzup wuzzup" into the camera,has to be the worst mascot in college sports

im gonna go ahead and guess he isnt "some mexican". He is supposed to be an Aztec

[disneyspy]

aztecs dont hogan it up and say wuzzup wuzzup holmes

[Snoogans]

aztecs dont hogan it up and say wuzzup wuzzup holmes

how do you know? Joba Chamberlain is an injin and he was doin all that kinda shit and smokin meth with his mom. Im sure other countries natives have the same issues

[Tenbatsuzen]

I was in Philly for a show but I was watching the WVU game on my phone. I turned off the game at the half thinking it was gonna be a blowout, but I turned it back on just in time to see Geno connect on that huge pass play and the following TD to bring WVU within six.

I was excited - and then WVU special teams shit the bed, letting LSU return the ball for a TD.

bleah.

[Snoogans]

no love for college ball on an october saturday? what a sad state of shit.


RUTGERS FOOLS. The offense is dogshit like usual, but the defense is fuckin INSANE. 6 sacks, 4 INTs today in WHOOPIN pitt 34-10. the 4 INTs give rutgers defense 22 forced turnovers in FIVE games

BEAST

[JimBeam]

Glad to see that fat POS Weis is still stinking things up.

Yeah he's such an offensive genius.

The flag on the punter for LSU was great.

Not because I agree that everybody who celebartes/taunts should be flagged but due to the fact that he's a lame ounter.

Who the hell is he to show up anybody ?

His entire existence is portected by the referees.

Now if they were allowed to tee of on him the rest of the game w/o any penalties than that would've been fantastic.

I only wish they had gone after him but hopefully some other team will do that for them.

You're the f-ing punter dude. Know your place in the grand scheme of things.

[CountryBob]

Was traveling on Saturday and was glad I missed the almost choke fest that my VaTech Hokies almost pulled off.

I hope they get their shit together going forward

[Snoogans]

Was traveling on Saturday and was glad I missed the almost choke fest that my VaTech Hokies almost pulled off.

I hope they get their shit together going forward

i hope the saw the wonderful performance by future ACC doormats Pitt. It was awesome.

Btw anyone heard anymore about this rumor that espn offered benefits and pushed Pitt and Cuse toward the ACC cause the Big East rejected ESPNs TV offer?

[CountryBob]

i hope the saw the wonderful performance by future ACC doormats Pitt. It was awesome.

Btw anyone heard anymore about this rumor that espn offered benefits and pushed Pitt and Cuse toward the ACC cause the Big East rejected ESPNs TV offer?

Holy shit! Havent heard of this but I hope it is true and ESPN gets exposed for the ass hats they are....

[Snoogans]

Holy shit! Havent heard of this but I hope it is true and ESPN gets exposed for the ass hats they are....

yea apparently last year ESPN had an exclusive negotiation window with the big east for the next TV rights deal. they offered the big east the same billion dollar deal the ACC got (i still have no fuckin clue why the big east DIDNT take this deal, but) and the big east said no and decided it would try to play the market and see if CBS or NBC or anyone else would make an offer.

Whats being reported now is that once the big east said no, espn persuaded pitt and Cuse to leave the big east, including adding extra money clauses to the ACC tv deal if those 2 schools ever joined. Its some dirty shit, so dirty its to the point where ESPN basically made the president of the ACC say he doesnt have any knowledge that this happened.

But, being the awesome assholes they are in CFB, the pres of the ACC said "not to say it didnt happen and I just dont know about it"

[CountryBob]

yea apparently last year ESPN had an exclusive negotiation window with the big east for the next TV rights deal. they offered the big east the same billion dollar deal the ACC got (i still have no fuckin clue why the big east DIDNT take this deal, but) and the big east said no and decided it would try to play the market and see if CBS or NBC or anyone else would make an offer.

Whats being reported now is that once the big east said no, espn persuaded pitt and Cuse to leave the big east, including adding extra money clauses to the ACC tv deal if those 2 schools ever joined. Its some dirty shit, so dirty its to the point where ESPN basically made the president of the ACC say he doesnt have any knowledge that this happened.

But, being the awesome assholes they are in CFB, the pres of the ACC said "not to say it didnt happen and I just dont know about it"

God I love college football!

[JimBeam]

That should make for an interesting investigation.

What happened with the Big 12-2-1+1-1 and the Longhorn Network ?

Texas now has to share all revenue equally ?

Last thing I read on the ticker is that they wouldn't show any TX high school football games.

[Snoogans]

5-1 baby. it was fuckin ugly, but they got the W.

they held navy to less than half their rushing avg. forced a couple more turnovers and blocked another kick too. The defense is a beast. The offense is terrible but seems to get just enough points to not make the D hate them.

Regardless, a win away from goin back to a bowl and a real good chance to go to 3-0 in the conf against Louisville next week

[joeyballsack]

5-1 baby. it was fuckin ugly, but they got the W.

they held navy to less than half their rushing avg. forced a couple more turnovers and blocked another kick too. The defense is a beast. The offense is terrible but seems to get just enough points to not make the D hate them.

Regardless, a win away from goin back to a bowl and a real good chance to go to 3-0 in the conf against Louisville next week

Or not..

The Big East is such a steaming pile of shit.

Nice win for SU last night. Its just too bad they let the Rutgers game slip though their fingers or they might have had a real shot at a BCS berth.

[Snoogans]

Or not..

The Big East is such a steaming pile of shit.

Nice win for SU last night. Its just too bad they let the Rutgers game slip though their fingers or they might have had a real shot at a BCS berth.

Speakin of slippin through fingers, Rutgers lost 16-14. San San Te missed 2 field goals, one by so much he was berated on the field by schiano. Also, with like 6 min left in the game, on a 2nd and 16, mark harrison dropped a ball when he was 15 yards behind the D. Thats the fuckin third time this year harrison has dropped a ball after he completely beat the defense.

Also, there was something ironic watchin our highly touted young don bosco QB throwing a ball right to the other team on the final drive of a game. It brought back memories of the last touted QB we got from Bosco. FAGGOTS

YOU QUEERS SHOULD BE 6-1 HEADING INTO YOU GETTIN BEATDOWN BY WV LIKE EVERY YEAR

[KnoxHarrington]

A report says that the Big East, Mountain West, and Conference USA are considering merging into a "super conference" that would have anywhere from 28 to 32 teams.

Under the plan, Super Conference would consist of four divisions: West, Mountain, Central and the Big East.

In the 32-team format, the West Division would consist of Boise State, Hawaii, UNLV, Nevada, Fresno State, San Diego State, Utah State and San Jose State.

The Mountain Division would consist of Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico, UTEP, SMU, Tulsa and Houston.

The Central Division would consist of Marshall, Memphis, Southern Mississippi, Tulane, UAB, Rice, Temple and Louisiana Tech.

And the Big East Division would consist of Louisville, UConn, Rutgers, Cincinnati, South Florida, Central Florida, East Carolina and Navy. West Virginia is not included in this plan, with the assumption being the Mountaineers would be headed to the Big 12 to replace Missouri which will presumably wind up in the SEC along with Texas A&M.

The scaled down version of 28 teams would not include San Jose State in the West, move Houston from the Mountain to the Central Division, eliminate Temple and Louisiana Tech from the Central Division and not include Navy in the Big East division.

I suggest the name for such a conference be the SFC -- Shit Football Conference

Just when you thought college football couldn't become more of a bad joke.

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/extras/colleges_blog/2011/10/big_east_mwc_c-.html

[Snoogans]

A report says that the Big East, Mountain West, and Conference USA are considering merging into a "super conference" that would have anywhere from 28 to 32 teams.



I suggest the name for such a conference be the SFC -- Shit Football Conference

Just when you thought college football couldn't become more of a bad joke.

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/extras/colleges_blog/2011/10/big_east_mwc_c-.html

rutgers would never stay for that. they would leave for either the big 10 or ACC. Remember they carry the power of the NYC tv parket for some other conf network.

and WV prob would be more likely heading to the SEC along with missouri to be their 14th team

[JimBeam]

As I understand it the SEC wants no part of WVU because they don't bring anything to the table as far as demographics.

The SEC will begin to push hard for FSU I'd think once they convince themselves that 16 teams is the way to go.

Plus WVU would be 15 for the SEC w/ A&M and Missouri being 13 and 14.

[Snoogans]

As I understand it the SEC wants no part of WVU because they don't bring anything to the table as far as demographics.

The SEC will begin to push hard for FSU I'd think once they convince themselves that 16 teams is the way to go.

Plus WVU would be 15 for the SEC w/ A&M and Missouri being 13 and 14.

yea i forgot about A&M. cause they suck. the SEC should kick them out. id say take WV instead, but they fuckin suck too

[JimBeam]

I think the Missouri move was one for academics because I think it's fairly well regarded, at least as far as sports schools.

I'm not sure I agree with it because like any of the expansions I'd like to see it stay reasonable as far as regions go.

[Snoogans]

I think the Missouri move was one for academics because I think it's fairly well regarded, at least as far as sports schools.

I'm not sure I agree with it because like any of the expansions I'd like to see it stay reasonable as far as regions go.

Mizzou was also to grab the St Louis TV market.

speaking of regions, isnt it gonna be so exciting to see rutgers fly all the way to boise and Air Force? sure, lets just merge them all, who wouldnt love a few trips to SD

YOU FUCKIN IDIOTS CAN BARELY AFFORD TO GO TO FUCKIN USF. STOP THIS NONSENSE. JUST ACCEPT YOU ARE A MID MAJOR

[JimBeam]

Yeah that idea of merging some form of MWC, C-USA and the Big East is crazy.

Even if they try and position themselves as a super conference whose to say either the NCAA tournament or whatever changes come from the super conferences would gurantee them any more than a few bids to football and basketball tournaments.

[epo]

rutgers would never stay for that. they would leave for either the big 10 or ACC. Remember they carry the power of the NYC tv parket for some other conf network.

and WV prob would be more likely heading to the SEC along with missouri to be their 14th team

Don't worry, Rutgers is going to the Big 10.

[weekapaugjz]

Don't worry, Rutgers is going to the Big 10.

good. now i get to see penn state kick their ass every year.

[JimBeam]

So 2 unbeatens drop w/ at least one more to join them on 11/5 ( LSU or Alabama ).

I wish I had continued to watch the Mich St/Wisconsin game but I turned it off after the TD pulled them within 7.

I thought Air Force might've had a shot at beating Boise St but unfortunetly that didn't work out.

[JimBeam]

I love that a good portion of this idiots article is already moot.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7131058/rick-reilly-bcs-messs

This nugget I found amusing ( and wrote him to say as much ) :

Boise State (6-0) has been robbed more than a Sicilian Brinks truck. The Broncos are No. 5 in the BCS and probably hosed again. This would be the third time since 2002 they've gone undefeated and not been invited to The Big Bowl. And yet every time they play a big-conference school they tend to win, including Georgia this year and TCU coming up.

An absolute ( every time ) followed by a variable ( tend ). Good writing. Such a well formulated opinion.

[Snacks]

I just read an article about Rutgers. I cant believe going into this past Sat they were 5-1 and not ranked?! Now they are 5-2 with both loses coming on the road and both by points each. They are 4 total points away from being undefeated. Im not a huge Rutgers fan but I like to see the only d-1 local college team doing well. I would really love to see them become a great college football program. They are getting there, I remember them sucking for so long and its nice to see them going to bowl games almost every year. Now they need more nationally televised games!

[Snoogans]

I just read an article about Rutgers. I cant believe going into this past Sat they were 5-1 and not ranked?! Now they are 5-2 with both loses coming on the road and both by points each. They are 4 total points away from being undefeated. Im not a huge Rutgers fan but I like to see the only d-1 local college team doing well. I would really love to see them become a great college football program. They are getting there, I remember them sucking for so long and its nice to see them going to bowl games almost every year. Now they need more nationally televised games!

you wanna believe it, ill show you how


Wins :North Carolina Central (a team who not only is a 1AA, but the first game they ever played after moving up from D2 was that game against Rutgers. And they were 3-9 the year before in D2), Ohio, Syracuse, Navy, and Pitt. All those teams blow ass and are no where near the rankings

they lost week 2 to UNC. They also opened the year ranked somewhere around 80th. Remember, they were only 4-8 last season. Thats how you end up not ranked.

Had they won against Louisville, they woulda been also receiving votes. But they play WV next week and after they stunk up the game against Cuse, even winning that and sitting 7-1 might not have gotten them into the poll.

Basically, the main reason is the big east sucks. And so no one cares if you beat those teams cause it means nothing. Its almost like being in the WAC

as for TV, they do pretty well. They are on ABC this weekend

[JimBeam]

I'm loving the show The Experts on ESPNU.

They recently added Joey Harrington though and I had mixed emotions about him in the same episode.

In one instance he was defending Boise St's right to play for a title even though they only play possible one tough game a year. One of the other panelists brought up that it's not just who you play but where you play. Saying that playing at New Mexico is not the same as playing in Tempe/Tuscon ( I think that was the comparison ). Harrington went on about how when he played at Utah St it was louder than at ASU/AU. Seemed to be bullshit to me.

But then later in the show they got to discussing the plan to pay the players the extra $2000 and were debating whether it was good. Harrington said he tdidn't agree with it and when pressed to say why it was fair that they couldn't work he mentioned that they also get a degree for free when the average student will come out owing for most of their life.

I disagreed with him on his first topic but agreed with him on his second.

I guess he annoyed me because I think of all the sucking he did and it tainted my opinion ( not that Tom Luggenbill was Joe Montana ).

Another panelist, I think his name was Jay Walker ( former QB at Alcorn St or some all black college ), was saying how Boise St has never been blown out in a game. I guess he never saw the game against UGA a few years ago.

[cougarjake13]

well that comparison is non sensical

who cares if utah st was louder that doesnt make the team good or better for you as an opponent when it comes to rankings

[ozzie]

Sometime probably in the spring of 2012, I'll start looking at the schedules for next year, and realizing which schools are actually playing football games in which conference for that year.

Until then, I honestly can't listen to, or read any more about schools "POSSIBLY" changing conferences.

No offense to anyone who's posted about it in here. I'm mainly speaking to espn.

[JimBeam]

I think that was BS of the Big East to bail on meeting with the other conferenences yesterday when I was under the impression that it was they who started the ball rolling.

Now they want to " look out " for themselves ?

I hope the other 2 conferences merge, get a BCS bid, and the Big East gets stripped of theirs.

Go ahead, add Air Force and see how much that helps you.

Also what is all this " political pressure " that Louisville is using ?

How could the state of KY exert any more pressure on the Big 12 than the Big 12 could exert on it's own regionally linked schools ( A&M and Missouri ) ?

[Snoogans]

I think that was BS of the Big East to bail on meeting with the other conferenences yesterday when I was under the impression that it was they who started the ball rolling.

Now they want to " look out " for themselves ?

I hope the other 2 conferences merge, get a BCS bid, and the Big East gets stripped of theirs.

Go ahead, add Air Force and see how much that helps you.

Also what is all this " political pressure " that Louisville is using ?

How could the state of KY exert any more pressure on the Big 12 than the Big 12 could exert on it's own regionally linked schools ( A&M and Missouri ) ?

from deadspin:

A late push by Louisville has put political pressure on the Big 12 and opened the possibility of Louisville's being the university that is admitted instead of West Virginia. Two people with direct knowledge of the situation said that lobbying by the Senate minority leader, Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky, including to David Boren, the president of the University of Oklahoma and a former senator, helped slow West Virginia's admittance to the Big 12.

[JimBeam]

It still doesn't make sense though.

The Big 12 as a whole would have to approve it and even if Kentucky had a tie to Oklahoma that doesn't mean that Texas, Ok St, etc ... would give a crap.

I can see where the lure of a Louisville might be strong from a basketball perspective ( even if they are half-assed UK ) but from a football and basketball wouldn't WVU be better ?

I guess it also has to do with markets but would the Louisville market really garner that much more than the WVU one ?

[Snoogans]

It still doesn't make sense though.

The Big 12 as a whole would have to approve it and even if Kentucky had a tie to Oklahoma that doesn't mean that Texas, Ok St, etc ... would give a crap.

I can see where the lure of a Louisville might be strong from a basketball perspective ( even if they are half-assed UK ) but from a football and basketball wouldn't WVU be better ?

I guess it also has to do with markets but would the Louisville market really garner that much more than the WVU one ?

i think they also have relationship with the Big 12 commish, who could now be talkin to those other schools, tryin to sell them on it. Is there really a difference between WV and Louisville anyway? i think id rather open up Kentucky and some SEC territory to recruiting than WV

[Snoogans]

holy shit, Kase keenem

Houston beat Rice tonight 73 - 34 thanks to a 24 for 37, 534 yard 9, yes NINE TD passes


he did throw 1 pick though. fuckin bum

[CountryBob]

holy shit, Kase keenem

Houston beat Rice tonight 73 - 34 thanks to a 24 for 37, 534 yard 9, yes NINE TD passes


he did throw 1 pick though. fuckin bum

Curious to see where he gets drafted.

[JimBeam]

What's crazy is he was still 2 shy of the single game record ( I'd bet Klingler ).

Anbody catch any of the UVA/Miami game ?

Even w/ a replay review those useless officials still got a play horribly wrong.

Jacory Harris was in the pocket and a tackler jumped on him to bring him down but as he was doing so he ripped the ball out of his arms, w/o Harris having touched any part of his body on the ground, essentialy forcing and recovering a fumble.

They reviewed it and kept it as Miami ball. Now i can see the field official not being able to tell but the video evidence couldn't have been any more conclusive that it was a turnover.

That shit bothers the hell out of me.

[Snoogans]

What's crazy is he was still 2 shy of the single game record ( I'd bet Klingler ).

Anbody catch any of the UVA/Miami game ?

Even w/ a replay review those useless officials still got a play horribly wrong.

Jacory Harris was in the pocket and a tackler jumped on him to bring him down but as he was doing so he ripped the ball out of his arms, w/o Harris having touched any part of his body on the ground, essentialy forcing and recovering a fumble.

They reviewed it and kept it as Miami ball. Now i can see the field official not being able to tell but the video evidence couldn't have been any more conclusive that it was a turnover.

That shit bothers the hell out of me.

maybe miami put their own guys in the booth like BYU did

[disneyspy]

TEXAS A&M/MIZZOU going into OT on FX

[Snoogans]

rutgers west virginia on ABC, at least in north east, and prob espn elsewhere, playin in a whole lot of snow

[mdr55]

Rutgers down by 3.

[mdr55]

NVM. It's about done. WVU gonna win.

[disneyspy]

http://twitpic.com/show/large/77u72k

[Snacks]

Im so pissed Rutgers lost today. WTF happened in the 2nd half? Did they even move the ball. have a lot of turnovers? I missed and was shocked they lost!

I do love their black helmet and the black uniforms they wore. I never loved the scarlet red color but the red on the black helmet look great!

[Jayw]

Mizzou finally closes out a fucking game.

If we get into the SEC they might actually televise our games...

[ozzie]

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Not only an impossible one hand grab, but then follows it up by switching it to the other had to stuff it inside the pylon.

The boy is a beast.

[FatassTitePants]

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/uk-fans-choose-juleps-over-unamusing-football-29884

Christ, UK. I understand that you are a basketball school, playing an out-of-conference team, and everyone is gearing up for the Breeders' Cup. But you are an SEC school...Act like it!!

[KnoxHarrington]

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/uk-fans-choose-juleps-over-unamusing-football-29884

Christ, UK. I understand that you are a basketball school, playing an out-of-conference team, and everyone is gearing up for the Breeders' Cup. But you are an SEC school...Act like it!!

UK really should be in the ACC. Football wise, they'd be far more likely to complete, and they'd really be better off in basketball terms.

[ozzie]

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/uk-fans-choose-juleps-over-unamusing-football-29884

Christ, UK. I understand that you are a basketball school, playing an out-of-conference team, and everyone is gearing up for the Breeders' Cup. But you are an SEC school...Act like it!!

I hate when schools (or sites like SBB) play the guilt card on fans for not showing up for a bullshit non-conference game like this.

You want asses in the seats?! Man up and schedule someone better than fucking Jacksonville State!

I've got news for the AD's. There's not 87,541 students at AU, and most alumni and fans live far from campus. You put schools like Samford on the schedule, you can't expect us to make the trip for that.

They do this shit every goddamned year that we play the bammers at home. They know they'll sell out their season ticket packages with people just wanting this one game, and they can fuck with us on the rest of the non-conference games.

UK seems the same way. They've got the UT game at their place this year (and Florida), so fuck it, make the suckers buy tickets to Western Kentucky, Central Michigan, and Jacksonville State to get it.

The non-conf scheduling in the SEC has become an embarrassment. Every school figures that just winning in "the toughest conference" is enough to get them to the MNC game, so why risk losing to a NC school? They forget that Auburn got shut out in 2004 mainly because their NC games that year were La Monroe, The Citadel and La Tech.

THIS is why the criteria for playing for a MNC has got to change. As it stands, for most schools, one loss, and you're out, so the NC scheduling has gone to shit. Until/unless just winning your conference is enough, this trend will continue and get worse.

If losing a NC game didn't destroy your title hopes, you'd see tougher scheduling between the conferences. Until then... expect a lot of dissatisfied fans to stay home when you're playing these FCS schools.

I say "Good for You" UK fans. Don't fall for the guilt. Contact your AD and tell him why you didn't show up, and tell him what caliber school you want to see your team challenge.

[JimBeam]

I hate when schools (or sites like SBB) play the guilt card on fans for not showing up for a bullshit non-conference game like this.

You want asses in the seats?! Man up and schedule someone better than fucking Jacksonville State!

I've got news for the AD's. There's not 87,541 students at AU, and most alumni and fans live far from campus. You put schools like Samford on the schedule, you can't expect us to make the trip for that.

They do this shit every goddamned year that we play the bammers at home. They know they'll sell out their season ticket packages with people just wanting this one game, and they can fuck with us on the rest of the non-conference games.

UK seems the same way. They've got the UT game at their place this year (and Florida), so fuck it, make the suckers buy tickets to Western Kentucky, Central Michigan, and Jacksonville State to get it.

The non-conf scheduling in the SEC has become an embarrassment. Every school figures that just winning in "the toughest conference" is enough to get them to the MNC game, so why risk losing to a NC school? They forget that Auburn got shut out in 2004 mainly because their NC games that year were La Monroe, The Citadel and La Tech.

THIS is why the criteria for playing for a MNC has got to change. As it stands, for most schools, one loss, and you're out, so the NC scheduling has gone to shit. Until/unless just winning your conference is enough, this trend will continue and get worse.

If losing a NC game didn't destroy your title hopes, you'd see tougher scheduling between the conferences. Until then... expect a lot of dissatisfied fans to stay home when you're playing these FCS schools.

I say "Good for You" UK fans. Don't fall for the guilt. Contact your AD and tell him why you didn't show up, and tell him what caliber school you want to see your team challenge.

Plus wasn't the game at 12:30 ?

Who the hell wants to go to a game that early ?

I'm sure they play a lot of day games but to the point when it's a crappy OOC team who really cares.

Plus it has to do w/ how well the school is doing.

LSU and Alabama would never have empty seats even for terrible games. That has a lot to do w/ the atmosphere in and around the games.

[ozzie]

LSU and Alabama would never have empty seats even for terrible games. That has a lot to do w/ the atmosphere in and around the games.

I can't imagine how much "atmosphere" there will be at Bryant-Denny when they play the mighty Georgia Southern at 2 pm the weekend before Thanksgiving.

Same thing when Western Kentucky rolls into "death valley" the week after the bama game. At least in their case, this is the only home night game they will have all year.

If they sell out those games, I'm not sure if I would be impressed, or if it would just confirm in my mind just how many rubes they have in their fan bases.

But then again, bama fans have been selling out their spring A-Day (inter-squad scrimmage) game the last few years, so it wouldn't be a total shock.

rowl tahd

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[JimBeam]

I have never seen an LSU game, even when they stunk, when they weren't at near capacity.

Sure the awful games don't get the Auburn earthquake game kinda attendance but they always do well.

[FatassTitePants]

The non-conf scheduling in the SEC has become an embarrassment. Every school figures that just winning in "the toughest conference" is enough to get them to the MNC game, so why risk losing to a NC school? They forget that Auburn got shut out in 2004 mainly because their NC games that year were La Monroe, The Citadel and La Tech.


I totally agree with you on this point. My one hope for this superconference realignment that is happening now is that you will have to schedule almost all conference games since there will be 8 teams per division and 16 per conference.

And it is not an SEC problem. I live about 30 mins from PSU and their out of conference schedule (except for Bama last year and this) is horrendous. Plus, they play the most boring football I have seen since Nebraska ran the wishbone. At least they did it well.

But still, a stadium THAT empty just makes UK look like a total joke to recruits and those of us in Nittany Lion Land (aka Stiller land) that defend the SEC.

[FatassTitePants]

They do this shit every goddamned year that we play the bammers at home. They know they'll sell out their season ticket packages with people just wanting this one game, and they can fuck with us on the rest of the non-conference games.


They do this at Boston College too when they play ND at home. And those fans are the WORST. No tailgating (actually you have to ride the T to the stadium) and they are the old bluebloods from the city. I actually got yelled at by some douchebag with a sweater tied around his neck (no kidding) for cheering when BC was on defense like I was interrupting a book reading.

The very next week I found myself in Talladega and I have never felt the appreication for drunken southern NASCAR rednecks like I did that weekend.

[JimBeam]

Schools have gotten better w/ their OOC scheduling now because they know it can impact their BCS standings.

Teams from the PAC12 and ACC have to try and schedule other BCS teams because if their conference sucks nothing short of going undefeated and a losses for everybody in the SEC and Big 12 would give them a shot at the title game.

Even LSU has gotten better. They would schedule notoriously bad OOC teams and rest on the fact that they played in the SEC. That's why they had to share a title w/ USC.

I think USC and Notre Dame are the only 2 major schools to have never played a 1AA/FCS team.

[JimBeam]

I was watching the The Experts again last night and they had matt Millen on as an analyst.

I know it's been mentioned before that it's silly to have him on any show that mentions talent but it was comical to listen to him go on about why Andrew Luck is such a draftable player.

That alone should hurt Luck in the draft.

[ozzie]

I have never seen an LSU game, even when they stunk, when they weren't at near capacity.

Sure the awful games don't get the Auburn earthquake game kinda attendance but they always do well.

Most of the big SEC schools (Auburn included) easily sell out their allotment of season tickets every year, and some have long waiting lists. At most schools (Auburn included), you have to be a "donor" to be eligible to purchase season tickets.

After pony-ing up that kinda dough for 7 - 8 home games, most feel compelled to use the tickets, or at least make sure they don't go to waste. Having that large of a "guaranteed audience" makes even the crap games look well attended.

For the average fan, a ticket to lsu-bama is almost unattainable, as are the other big games, so they'll snatch up the lesser ooc tickets just for a chance to see their team live.

A quick search on ebay and stubhub will show you that there are still "plenty of good seats available" for lsu-western kentucky.

Hell, I took a group to watch Auburn play UT Chattanooga last year, so I'm as guilty as the rest of supporting their shit scheduling... but that was homecoming, and there's nothing else to do on campus during those 3 - 4 hours BUT go to the stadium.

A "bad" turnout for Auburn is still well over 75k (of 87+k capacity)... but they're not ALL sell outs. Part of the problem lies in the amount of tickets sent to the opposing school that get returned. Hell, just last week Ole Miss returned thousands of tickets, but they're not available until a few days before the game.

I, like a lot of Alums, live about 3.5+ hours away, and it takes time to plan a trip back to campus. A lot of the southern schools are in small college towns with a small fan base (outside of the students and faculty) in the immediate area. Most graduate and move far away, so even when tickets are practically (or literally) being given away, it's not always feasible to go at the last minute.

I get what you're saying about the "atmosphere" though, and not every school has that to fall back on. Most AU and bama students chose that school partly because of how big those schools were in their lives as kids. Most either had parents that went there, or they were drawn by the media attention that their athletic programs get down here.

Saturdays in the South are an event, even in towns far from campus, and eventually most people, whether they attended a school or not, get caught up in the excitement, and want to be a part of it, and they share their passion with their own kids, friends, co-workers. Most businesses allow their employees to wear their school colors on Fridays, and the local schools even support "out of uniform" days where the kids do it too. Those that aren't season ticket holders hear the stories, see the pictures, and will take any opportunity to go be a part of it, even if it is just for UT Chatt.

I'm not sure that the UK football program and fan base feels the same way. They don't have quite the same "tradition" or passion for football. Hell, they probably laugh at the poor turnout we have for Friday night madness and regular season basketball games.

BUT... still, for the amount some donate, and pay for season tickets, it's frustrating when the AD doesn't give the fans and alums their money's worth, and re-pay that loyalty by scheduling decent home games.

AU's HC game this year is against Samford. Nuff said.

[ozzie]

Schools have gotten better w/ their OOC scheduling now because they know it can impact their BCS standings.

Teams from the PAC12 and ACC have to try and schedule other BCS teams because if their conference sucks nothing short of going undefeated and a losses for everybody in the SEC and Big 12 would give them a shot at the title game.

Even LSU has gotten better. They would schedule notoriously bad OOC teams and rest on the fact that they played in the SEC. That's why they had to share a title w/ USC.

I think USC and Notre Dame are the only 2 major schools to have never played a 1AA/FCS team.

I give LSU credit for scheduling Oregon (neutral site) and WVU (road) this year, but I have heard quite a few complaints from LSU fans that this meant they only had 6 home games, and so far none of them were at night, and two of those were Northwestern State and Western Kentucky.

I'm sure for some schools, playing on national network tv (CBS 2:30) would be a thrill. The LSU fans HATE it.

But, that's what happens when you're ranked #1, and it's a "down year" in the rest of the SEC. CBS gets first choice of games every week, and they only carry two "prime time" games a year at most.

[ozzie]

The very next week I found myself in Talladega and I have never felt the appreication for drunken southern NASCAR rednecks like I did that weekend.

As the saying goes... It's not a bad place to visit... but you wouldn't want to live here.

Or, worse, be an alum/fan of their rival school.

That same "Southern hospitality" isn't extended to Auburn fans... or Jeff Gordon fans for that matter.

There's a lot of script "A"s and #3 and #88 stickers on the same pickup trucks around here.

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[JimBeam]

LSU would've loved the move from a 3:30 to 8:00 if they were at home but I'm not sure they care either way with the game at Alabama.

The fans that'll travel will like more time to tailgate but that means the Alabama fans will get to be just as rowdy as LSU can be at home. Which if you believe in that sort of thing can make a difference.

[CountryBob]

As the saying goes... It's not a bad place to visit... but you wouldn't want to live here.

Or, worse, be an alum/fan of their rival school.

That same "Southern hospitality" isn't extended to Auburn fans... or Jeff Gordon fans for that matter.

There's a lot of script "A"s and #3 and #88 stickers on the same pickup trucks around here.

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That number 3 pic is from my town of Bristol!

[JimBeam]

Anybody catch the end of the Stanford/USC game the other night ?

Luck is getting all this credit for throwing an INT that lead to 7 points but them leading his team back for the tying score.

What they neglect to mention is that he was aided by some BS personal foul call that took it from 4th and 6 to 1st and 10.

It was one of those " helmet to helmet " calls where the DB already had his shoulder low to go for the tackle/breakup and the WR went low to catch the ball resulting in contact.

There was no intent to hit him high because if the WR hadn't dipped himself the hit would've been in his ribs.

Stanford was also aided in the win by a ridiculous play call by Kiffin.

With less than 10 seconds he calls a bubble screen wherein the reciever caught it on one side of the field and had to run to the far side of the field to get out of bounds.

Hey seemed to get out of bounds with 1 second left but the refs, even after a review, still got it wrong.

I hope Oregon rapes Stanford when they play them.

[ozzie]

Anybody catch the end of the Stanford/USC game the other night ?

Luck is getting all this credit for throwing an INT that lead to 7 points but them leading his team back for the tying score.

What they neglect to mention is that he was aided by some BS personal foul call that took it from 4th and 6 to 1st and 10.

It was one of those " helmet to helmet " calls where the DB already had his shoulder low to go for the tackle/breakup and the WR went low to catch the ball resulting in contact.

There was no intent to hit him high because if the WR hadn't dipped himself the hit would've been in his ribs.

Stanford was also aided in the win by a ridiculous play call by Kiffin.

With less than 10 seconds he calls a bubble screen wherein the reciever caught it on one side of the field and had to run to the far side of the field to get out of bounds.

Hey seemed to get out of bounds with 1 second left but the refs, even after a review, still got it wrong.

I hope Oregon rapes Stanford when they play them.

I'll have to take your word for it because we DID NOT GET THAT FUCKING GAME DOWN HERE!

We were given the Clemson/GT game on ABC, and tOSU/whisky game on ESPN.

I thought with all of the goddamned ESPN channels out there now that they were done with the bullshit "regional coverage".

[JimBeam]

I think it was on ABC in CT.

The others were on the ESPN channels I think.

[ozzie]

LSU would've loved the move from a 3:30 to 8:00 if they were at home but I'm not sure they care either way with the game at Alabama.

The fans that'll travel will like more time to tailgate but that means the Alabama fans will get to be just as rowdy as LSU can be at home. Which if you believe in that sort of thing can make a difference.

FWIW, LSU is 30-1 in their last 31 night games away from deaf valley too. They just love playing at night, anywhere. And these weren't cupcakes they were playing either.

Via TigerDroppings, the timeframe covers 2011 to 2001. Their only loss being to Florida in 2008, who went on to win the national championship

09/24/11 at No.16 West Virginia (7:00 pm) Won 47-21
09/15/11 at No.25 Miss State (7:00 pm) Won 19-6
09/03/11 No.3 Oregon - Cowboys Classic (7:00 pm) Won 40-27
01/07/11 No.18 Texas A&M - Cotton Bowl (7:29 pm) Won 41-24
10/09/10 at No.14 Florida (6:30 pm) Won 33-29
09/11/10 at Vanderbilt (6:00 pm) Won 27-3
09/04/10 No.18 North Carolina - Chick-fil-A Classic (7:00 pm) Won 30-24
09/05/09 at Washington (9:30 pm) Won 31-23
12/31/08 No.14 Georgia Tech - Chick-fil-A Bowl (6:30 pm) Won 38-3
10/18/08 at South Carolina (7:00 pm) Won 24-17
10/11/08 AT NO.11 FLORIDA (7:00 pm) LOST 21-51
09/20/08 at No.10 Auburn (6:45 pm) Won 26-21
01/07/08 No.1 Ohio State - BCS Championship (7:00 pm) Won 38-24
08/30/07 at Miss State (7:00 pm) Won 45-0
01/03/07 No.11 Notre Dame - Sugar Bowl (7:00 pm) Won 41-14
12/30/05 No.9 Miami - Chick-fil-A Bowl (6:30 pm) Won 40-3
11/19/05 at Ole Miss (6:45 pm) Won 40-7
10/08/05 at Vanderbilt (6:00 pm) Won 34-6
09/10/05 at No.15 Arizona State (8:15 pm) Won 35-31
10/09/04 at No.12 Florida (6:45 pm) Won 24-21
01/04/04 No.1 Oklahoma - BCS Championship (7:00 pm) Won 21-14
12/06/03 No.5 Georgia - SEC Championship (7:00 pm) Won 34-13
11/15/03 at Alabama (6:45 pm) Won 27-3
10/18/03 at South Carolina (6:45 pm) Won 33-7
09/27/03 at Miss State (8:00 pm) Won 41-6
09/06/03 at Arizona (9:00 pm) Won 59-13
10/12/02 at No.16 Florida (6:45 pm) Won 36-7
01/01/02 No.7 Illinois - Sugar Bowl (7:30 pm) Won 47-34
12/08/01 No.2 Tennessee - SEC Championship (7:00 pm) Won 31-20
10/20/01 at Miss State (8:00 pm) Won 42-0
10/13/01 at Kentucky (6:00 pm) Won 29-25

I think it was on ABC in CT.

The others were on the ESPN channels I think.

I don't think that ANYONE got all three games, unless you pay for that ESPN Game Plan shit. I'm guessing that was the point, to make some people pay for it.

[cougarjake13]

I'll have to take your word for it because we DID NOT GET THAT FUCKING GAME DOWN HERE!

We were given the Clemson/GT game on ABC, and tOSU/whisky game on ESPN.

I thought with all of the goddamned ESPN channels out there now that they were done with the bullshit "regional coverage".

same for me

i kept searching for it

[ozzie]

same for me

i kept searching for it

I'll admit, I was zoned in on Auburn / Ole Miss most of the evening, but as soon as it was over, I searched all of my 100-some-odd friggin sports channels, and it wasn't there.

We'd seen a highlight of the Luck INT late in our game, and so I knew they were still playing.

Fuck ABC and Fuck ESPN and Fuck Game Plan! They knew exactly what they were doing that night.

And I was this >< close to saying Fuck DirecTV if they hadn't finally settled with Fox.

I love ending my football Saturday with a late Pac-12 game, and those are only on one of the many foxsports (FSN) affilliates.

[CountryBob]

I'll admit, I was zoned in on Auburn / Ole Miss most of the evening, but as soon as it was over, I searched all of my 100-some-odd friggin sports channels, and it wasn't there.

We'd seen a highlight of the Luck INT late in our game, and so I knew they were still playing.

Fuck ABC and Fuck ESPN and Fuck Game Plan! They knew exactly what they were doing that night.

And I was this >< close to saying Fuck DirecTV if they hadn't finally settled with Fox.

I love ending my football Saturday with a late Pac-12 game, and those are only on one of the many foxsports (FSN) affilliates.

I watched it - crazy ending when Kiffin didnt get the timeout and they were sent to OT. Good, fuck him. He fucked Tennessee over and I would love someday if TN could get their shit together and play USC for revenge!

[ozzie]

I watched it - crazy ending when Kiffin didnt get the timeout and they were sent to OT. Good, fuck him. He fucked Tennessee over and I would love someday if TN could get their shit together and play USC for revenge!

The pictures and stories coming out of Knoxville that night were crazy.

Fuck you Lane Kiffin!

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The only bad thing about him leaving was that he took his smoking hot wife with him.

The caliber of SEC Coaches wives took a big hit that day.

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