2011 College Football Thread

[ozzie]

What was the line on that one

Tulsa was anywhere from a 1½ to 4 pt favorite.

o/u - 60

BYU 24 - Tulsa 21.

[ozzie]

Rutgers opened as about a 2½ pt favorite... but I see they've got Iowa State favored now from 1½ to 2 pts.

I should have waited for the line to move on this one.

C'mon Rutgers!

o/u is around 46 depending upon where you look.

[cougarjake13]

Rutgers opened as about a 2½ pt favorite... but I see they've got Iowa State favored now from 1½ to 2 pts.

I should have waited for the line to move on this one.

C'mon Rutgers!

o/u is around 46 depending upon where you look.


u woulda won either way

[Snoogans]

Rutgers opened as about a 2½ pt favorite... but I see they've got Iowa State favored now from 1½ to 2 pts.

I should have waited for the line to move on this one.

C'mon Rutgers!

o/u is around 46 depending upon where you look.

seemed like a good game. i was at work so i had it on the radio. Im excited for the future of Brandon Coleman. We didnt use him near enough this year, he is a monster

[Crispy123]

Outback Bowl and Rose bowl were great games.

[led37zep]

Go ducks

[cougarjake13]

Outback Bowl and Rose bowl were great games.



Stanford ok state has been great so far

[ozzie]

seemed like a good game. i was at work so i had it on the radio. Im excited for the future of Brandon Coleman. We didnt use him near enough this year, he is a monster

Hell, I thought you'd be at this one. Looked like there were "plenty of good seats available". I figured Rutgers fans in NYC would have sold this one out. I'm guessing the shitty kickoff time on a weekday didn't help attendance.

By the second quarter Saturday night, I was bummed that we didn't go to ATL for the game.

The game wasn't scheduled to start until 7:30 ATL time, and I just wasn't too thrilled about being out in the streets, or driving around Atlanta back to a room that close to midnight on NYE.

I still shopped tickets as recently as the week before, but it was already a sell out, and hotels anywhere close to the dome were long gone. It would have cost a ton to snag the tickets that late, especially trying to find 4 together, so we skipped it.

But the folks that made the trip had a blast. Most everyone said the UVA fans were great.

I was hoping somehow Arky would have gotten into the Sugar, and given AU a shot at the Cotton. I still wanna check out Jerry's new digs. But even if they had made it, booking a trip for that weekend would have been crazy unless we'd waited until the Cowboys were officially eliminated. As long as they still had a shot at hosting a first round game, hotels and shit out there were hard to come by, and we might not have went anyway. I'm sure Arky/Kstate fans are having NO troubles now though.

Rutgers, Auburn and Miss State now all share the longest bowl win streak (5 games).

I haven't watched every minute of every game, but I've watched just about every one played on an "off day" or in prime time. Been a pretty enjoyable bowl season so far. Not too many upsets, but a lot have gone down to the wire.

And I was really pulling for OkState last night. If somehow bama does win the MNC, I hope the AP does the right thing and gives their title to the pokes.

It's the least they can do after they did the same thing to USC over LSU in 2003.

But I'm still hoping LSU wins handily. I'm so fucking sick of bama fans acting like the BCS "got it right", and how, basically, they "outplayed" LSU the first time, so of course they should get another shot.

The only consolation is that maybe, just maybe, they're realizing how fucked up this rematch shit is, at least give us a "plus one" next year. I can't believe the other conferences are just sitting back watching two SEC teams playing for the title (and collecting ALL of the money), and agreeing that they "got it right", or that "the system works".

I'm praying that at halftime, LSU has a commanding lead, and the studio hosts are left trying to somehow still justify bama getting another shot, and begging people to come back and watch the second half of this travesty.

[Snoogans]

yea it pissed me off that the game was on a fuckin friday at 330 pm. i know they are tryin their best to not have games step on each other but, being its holliday time and i already was off a few normal work days cause the hollidays, i didnt have the extra money to take off work and go to the stadium. Besides, I prob woulda been thrown out for screaming at schiano to decide what fuckin QB he actually wants to use

[disneyspy]

nice -20 yard run there VT

[disneyspy]

VT domminated that half but the poor team gets nervous when they hear "shotgun"

[disneyspy]

Out Of Bounds!

[disneyspy]

FUCKIN EH YES!

michigan is back

[FatassTitePants]

This has got to be some kind of record for OT bowl games.

[CountryBob]

Congratulations to Michigan

It is so hard to be a Hokie fan when they never can win the big game. Va Tech had so many chances and dominated about every facet of the game last night - but the scoreboard. And that's all that matters.

Fuck - once again :wallbash:

[ozzie]

Of all the ways to lose that game, I never would have guessed a Beamer team would lose on special teams.

And it was weird to me seeing those two teams in the Sugar Bowl. AU has connections to both of these schools in the Sugar Bowl, both in years they should have been considered for the MNC.

1983 was obviously way before the "bowl coalition" days. Bo's sophomore year, and arguably, his best. AU was #3, had beaten 8 bowl teams that year. (In the days when there weren't near as many bowls) Seven of those teams were ranked in the top-20... 4 in the top-10.

BUT, they "ONLY" beat #8 Michigan in the Sugar Bowl by a score of 9 - 7.

- #2 Texas loses to #7 Georgia (who AU beat) in the Cotton Bowl.
- #4 Illinois gets stomped by UCLA in the Rose.
- #5 Miami upsets #1 Nebraska in the Orange.

The Orange bowl was the last game played that night in "prime time", and was an instant classic. The voters get excited and jump Miami from #5 to #1.

A few early computer polls gave AU the MNC (NY Times, etc), but AU doesn't claim 1983. Although bama probably would. (13 titles, my ass)


In '03, the AP had given their mythical title to USC over "BCS champ" LSU. AU had an outside chance of at least claiming an AP title in 2004.

USC and OU go "wire to wire" as #1 and #2. The computers and voters didn't think as much of the SEC then as they do now, and AU's "strength of schedule" was pointed at as the reason they wouldn't play in the BCS game (I guess going undefeated in the SEC meant dick). So they settle for the Sugar, and get matched with another #8 team, two-loss Va Tech. One last shot to flex some muscle and impress some voters.... and they sneak out with an unimpressive 3 pt win.

It was about then when I really started wondering if this program would ever win any sort of MNC in my lifetime.

[Dell]

Tech had opportunities to win and didn't capitalize, so I say they are most responsible for the loss...

BUT, that reversal in OT was a HUGE surprise...didn't see clear evidence warranting a reversal which would normally keep them from deciding the outcome in the booth

[ozzie]

Tech had opportunities to win and didn't capitalize, so I say they are most responsible for the loss...

BUT, that reversal in OT was a HUGE surprise...didn't see clear evidence warranting a reversal which would normally keep them from deciding the outcome in the booth

Where was that officiating crew from?

Yeah, that was too close to overturn. I understand wanting to "get it right", but he call on the field was a touchdown. It was borderline, but I didn't see anything "conclusive" that warranted overturning the call.

[disneyspy]

are you seriously kidding me? he landed out of bounds,the ball wasnt in bounds,he had no control,easiest call to make ever

[underdog]

Of all the ways to lose that game, I never would have guessed a Beamer team would lose on special teams.

And it was weird to me seeing those two teams in the Sugar Bowl. AU has connections to both of these schools in the Sugar Bowl, both in years they should have been considered for the MNC.

1983 was obviously way before the "bowl coalition" days. Bo's sophomore year, and arguably, his best. AU was #3, had beaten 8 bowl teams that year. (In the days when there weren't near as many bowls) Seven of those teams were ranked in the top-20... 4 in the top-10.

BUT, they "ONLY" beat #8 Michigan in the Sugar Bowl by a score of 9 - 7.

- #2 Texas loses to #7 Georgia (who AU beat) in the Cotton Bowl.
- #4 Illinois gets stomped by UCLA in the Rose.
- #5 Miami upsets #1 Nebraska in the Orange.

The Orange bowl was the last game played that night in "prime time", and was an instant classic. The voters get excited and jump Miami from #5 to #1.

A few early computer polls gave AU the MNC (NY Times, etc), but AU doesn't claim 1983. Although bama probably would. (13 titles, my ass)


In '03, the AP had given their mythical title to USC over "BCS champ" LSU. AU had an outside chance of at least claiming an AP title in 2004.

USC and OU go "wire to wire" as #1 and #2. The computers and voters didn't think as much of the SEC then as they do now, and AU's "strength of schedule" was pointed at as the reason they wouldn't play in the BCS game (I guess going undefeated in the SEC meant dick). So they settle for the Sugar, and get matched with another #8 team, two-loss Va Tech. One last shot to flex some muscle and impress some voters.... and they sneak out with an unimpressive 3 pt win.

It was about then when I really started wondering if this program would ever win any sort of MNC in my lifetime.

Did you go to Auburn?

[ozzie]

are you seriously kidding me? he landed out of bounds,the ball wasnt in bounds,he had no control,easiest call to make ever

Nope. Not kidding.

His left elbow, and the ball, came down in bounds.

http://media.nola.com/sugarbowl_impact/photo/10409969-large.jpg

That wasn't the question. The question was about maintaining possession. They said he didn't, and overturned the call.

Still disagree.

[ozzie]

Did you go to Auburn?

Yup. Enrolled in the fall of 1986... first year in the post-Bo Jackson era. But AU did beat Bama every year I was there, so there's that.

My sister was there the year before, and literally ran into Bo while walking to class, and landed flat on her back. The people that saw it were only concerned that Bo was ok. Ha!

[underdog]

Yup. Enrolled in the fall of 1986... first year in the post-Bo Jackson era. But AU did beat Bama every year I was there, so there's that.

My sister was there the year before, and literally ran into Bo while walking to class, and landed flat on her back. The people that saw it were only concerned that Bo was ok. Ha!

Cool. I thought you were just one of those college fan weirdos. haha

[disneyspy]

Nope. Not kidding.

His left elbow, and the ball, came down in bounds.

http://media.nola.com/sugarbowl_impact/photo/10409969-large.jpg

That wasn't the question. The question was about maintaining possession. They said he didn't, and overturned the call.

Still disagree.

that shows the ball bouncing off the turf into his body,bad example,by the time he gets possesion hes 5 yards out of the endzone


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[ozzie]

that shows the ball bouncing off the turf into his body,bad example,by the time he gets possesion hes 5 yards out of the endzone


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It answers the question of whether or not he initially came down in bounds, which he did.

I just don't see an indisputable, conclusive angle that shows that he didn't have possession.

If the call on the field had been "incomplete", I would probably be arguing the other side, and saying there wasn't enough evidence to rule it a touchdown either.

If it's that close, I gotta go with the call on the field.

[CountryBob]

His hand was under the ball - not enough to overturn.

Even if they gave Tech that score - dosent mean that Tech wins - Michigan still had their opportunity in OT.

Being a Redskins fan - we lose so many reg season games that my hopes arent too high but with Va Tech, they win all of these reg season games and blow any big game. It is such a fucking let down.

[Snoogans]

Nope. Not kidding.

His left elbow, and the ball, came down in bounds.

http://media.nola.com/sugarbowl_impact/photo/10409969-large.jpg

That wasn't the question. The question was about maintaining possession. They said he didn't, and overturned the call.

Still disagree.

that shows the ball bouncing off the turf into his body,bad example,by the time he gets possesion hes 5 yards out of the endzone


actually, in the picture the ball isnt on the ground. the ball is allowed to be moving around and still count as possesion if it never hits the ground. I actually thought the catch was good. The instant his elbow hit, he is down in bounds, if the ball never hit the ground after, even moving in his arms, it should count

[ozzie]

Cool. I thought you were just one of those college fan weirdos. haha

I've had an unhealthy passion for all sports since I was a kid. But it became concentrated on college sports once I moved to this state.

People here don't have much to brag about other than college sports, particularly football, so it dominates the papers, news, talk radio, and most conversations.

It's not easy working here, or running a business in the State of Alabama when you're marketing yourself nationally (and internationally).

("What state are you calling from? Alabama? Oooohhhhhhh.....")

Unless they're a college football fan... then it's an easy "IN" with them.

As they say in the ESPN ads, you "never graduate" from Auburn or Alabama. Most alumni stay connected to their school in one form or another. The athletic budgets at these schools are ridiculous compared to their average enrollment. I get solicited by the "Tigers Unlimited Fund" pretty regularly, but am not a season ticket holder, or a current donor.

But, yeah, I'm back on campus usually every spring for the "A-Day" game, and try to make it to as many games as I can. I still keep in contact with my old Fraternity, and get solicited by them too. It comes in handy when hotel rooms are in short supply, or if I need to borrow a student ID to sneak in through the student section gate for big games.

[weekapaugjz]

fuck. we get to listen to gruden on tonight's broadcast. :wallbash:

[disneyspy]

i'm still pissed at rich rod so i hope clemson kicks WV's ass

[Crispy123]

Good call. That was a TD for sure.

[Crispy123]

i'm still pissed at rich rod so i hope clemson kicks WV's ass

I don't think THAT's gonna happen!

The players get gifts (http://sportstalk4us.blogspot.com/2012/01/list-of-2011-2012-bowl-game-gifts-to.html) for playing in Bowl games but they should be able to get money and alumni gifts too.

[FatassTitePants]

That WVU touchdown was bananas. As entertaining as this game is, this scoring really shows how mediocre these teams really are. LSU and Bama probably is probably going to be low scoring and the pink hats and bros will bitch that it is boring. But when you get 22 of the fastest and best athletes on the field at the same time you will get about 3 chances to score per game and you better take advantage of them all.

[Tenbatsuzen]

fuck. we get to listen to gruden on tonight's broadcast. :wallbash:

I have to admit - before West Virginia turned the guns on, they cut to a shot of Gruden in the booth talking about WVU's offense and his eyes popped open and rolled back, almost like he was going to a happy place. That made me laugh.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That WVU touchdown was bananas. As entertaining as this game is, this scoring really shows how mediocre these teams really are. LSU and Bama probably is probably going to be low scoring and the pink hats and bros will bitch that it is boring. But when you get 22 of the fastest and best athletes on the field at the same time you will get about 3 chances to score per game and you better take advantage of them all.

For the record, a ton of WVU players are either suspended or injured for this game, one of their top RBs is out because he blew his knee on Friday.

[ozzie]

And people think the Big East is the conference that shouldn't have had AQ status.

The ACC is now 2 - 13 in BCS games since they started in 1998.

The Big East is 7 - 7.

I'll be really glad when this "AQ" shit goes away.

[ozzie]

That WVU touchdown was bananas. As entertaining as this game is, this scoring really shows how mediocre these teams really are. LSU and Bama probably is probably going to be low scoring and the pink hats and bros will bitch that it is boring. But when you get 22 of the fastest and best athletes on the field at the same time you will get about 3 chances to score per game and you better take advantage of them all.

To be fair, a lot of the scoring last night was due to turnovers forced by the defense.

But, yeah, a lot of shitty technique shown in that game, and players constantly out of position. The Clemson staff should be embarrassed. WVU ran a short list of plays, and they had over a month to get ready to stop them.

I was glad they finally called out Chad Morris for basically begging Gus Malzahn to teach him what he was running in HS back in Arkansas. If you're an OC at a major college, and you're flying your coaching staff to BFE, AK to watch HS playoffs to try to learn a new system... maybe you're in the wrong profession.

I was amazed that one of the ESPN programs brought Gus into the studio to break down the bama defense for them. It gave him a chance to expose a lot of tendencies that Kirby Smart relies on, and how Gus has taught his QB's to read and adjust to what bama likes to do.

I'm sure by now the LSU staff has studied it as well. If fucking Jefferson can keep it together Monday night, and pay attention to what they're doing, they've got the playmakers to move the ball against bama. Having a run-threat QB keeps the bama linebackers and safeties honest, which is bama's strength. They've got speed at receiver to make a team pay dearly for a bad read on a play action. And those fucking backs LSU has run HARD. If they get to the second level, any one of them can break off a long run. Having a month to prepare should help. As Gus pointed out, you can't take negative plays, and you've got to watch where they're bringing pressure, and how they rotate to cover. It leaves holes if you can find them.

On the other side of the ball, you've got a bama OC who's off to Colorado State. I'm quite sure Saban made sure he put in his time with bama during December, but it's still a distraction. McCarron is from this area, and the knock on him is that he can get rattled. LSU needs to dial up some pressure in this game. AJ's jersey was entirely too clean back in November.

The o/u is at 40. I'm not sure which way to go on this one. I think both teams played tight and conservative last time, and I expect both to open it up a few times. But, then again... that's LSU's game plan this year. They don't take a lot of chances, don't turn the ball over, and with that fucking punter of theirs, and their defense, they play a lot for field position.

I definitely think it'll be higher scoring than last time... but reaching 40 would probably take some turnovers or special teams scoring.

[Snoogans]

And people think the Big East is the conference that shouldn't have had AQ status.

The ACC is now 2 - 13 in BCS games since they started in 1998.

The Big East is 7 - 7.

I'll be really glad when this "AQ" shit goes away.

and the big east, in the last 5-10 years, has cleaned up its bowls games overall. there record is always really good in bowl games.

[CountryBob]

VA Tech Hokie RB, David Wilson forgoes his final year of eligibility and will enter the NFL draft. He is projected to be in the top 3 RB's and should get a late first or early second round draft position.

I dont blame him but my Hokies are gonna be hurting so bad next year. Losing 4 starters on the offensive line, 2 starting senior WR's and both RB's they used this year.

maybe the will lose a bunch of games and I wont risk getting let down again in a BCS game

[ozzie]

VA Tech Hokie RB, David Wilson forgoes his final year of eligibility and will enter the NFL draft. He is projected to be in the top 3 RB's and should get a late first or early second round draft position.

I dont blame him but my Hokies are gonna be hurting so bad next year. Losing 4 starters on the offensive line, 2 starting senior WR's and both RB's they used this year.

maybe the will lose a bunch of games and I wont risk getting let down again in a BCS game

Now that Montee Ball is coming back to Wisconsin next year, if he can go now as one of the top-3, I can't blame him.

And if you're losing 4 starters on the O-line... there wouldn't be much hope of improving his "stock value" by coming back next year.

[CountryBob]

Now that Montee Ball is coming back to Wisconsin next year, if he can go now as one of the top-3, I can't blame him.

And if you're losing 4 starters on the O-line... there wouldn't be much hope of improving his "stock value" by coming back next year.

So true - gotta block to be able to run.

[JimBeam]

I didn't think Landry Jones would come back but apparently he is.

[ozzie]

So true - gotta block to be able to run.

AU lost 4 O-lineman after 2010 too, so I feel for you. That's a challenge for any school to overcome.

Of course this is never brought up when people compare what AU did in 2010 vs 2011. Everyone just assumes it was just the difference between having Cam, and not.

The fact that VaTech was competing for the ACC title, and playing in a BCS bowl, meant probably not a lot of reps for the younger guys.

Florida State had the advantage of playing in the shitty Champs Bowl, or whatever they call it, so they were able to start prepping for the future NOW. They started 4 freshmen on their line against ND, and they got reps with the first team in all the bowl practices.

When guys go early, and get drafted, I usually say "good for them". Nick Fairley and Cam had nothing else to prove or gain by sticking around.

But we've had juniors jump that couldn't even make a practice squad in the NFL. Every year there are some kids that get caught up in the hype, and what agents are telling them, and make bad decisions.

Some will come back and finish their degree, but the ones that don't, it's just kinda sad that they wasted a scholarship and pinned all their hopes on making it to the NFL, and end up working a "joe job" somewhere in obscurity.

[Snoogans]

And people think the Big East is the conference that shouldn't have had AQ status.

The ACC is now 2 - 13 in BCS games since they started in 1998.

The Big East is 7 - 7.

I'll be really glad when this "AQ" shit goes away.

i found this really funny

Conference BCS game records since 1998:
SEC - 16-7
Pac "12" - 11-7
Big 10 - 12-13
Big 12 - 9-10
Big East - 7-7
ACC - 2-13
Independants - 0-3
MWC - 3-1
WAC - 2-1

now, obviously most of the time these teams are playing each other, so the losses would all have to be there somewhere. but its just interesting to me to see that certain major conferences who act like they are so awesome have a worse record than the one they want to take away AQ from (and worse, ill be it in WAY more chances, that 2 of the conferences they act like shouldnt have a chance)

[CountryBob]

i found this really funny

Conference BCS game records since 1998:
SEC - 16-7
Pac "12" - 11-7
Big 10 - 12-13
Big 12 - 9-10
Big East - 7-7
ACC - 2-13
Independants - 0-3
MWC - 3-1
WAC - 2-1

now, obviously most of the time these teams are playing each other, so the losses would all have to be there somewhere. but its just interesting to me to see that certain major conferences who act like they are so awesome have a worse record than the one they want to take away AQ from (and worse, ill be it in WAY more chances, that 2 of the conferences they act like shouldnt have a chance)

Must be the money - because if wins determine who gets AQ - the ACC is shit out of luck.

[JimBeam]

Is this teams that are in the conferences now or where they were at the time of the game ?

If it's where they are now then the only 2 wins that the ACC has are FSU ( 2000 ) and Miami ( 2001 ) championship years ?

If you consider where they were at the time the wins would be Miami ( 2003 ) and Va Tech ( 2008 ).

And remember that the lesser BCS bowls aren't for the 3rd/4th, 5th/6th, ec .. best teams.

That's not their intent.

Va Tech got invited to the same type of bowl game as Clemson who beat them twice.

Michigan, who lost to Mich St, went to a BCS game while Mich St went to some lame bowl ( and beat the even lamer UGA squad ).

[Snoogans]

Is this teams that are in the conferences now or where they were at the time of the game ?

If it's where they are now then the only 2 wins that the ACC has are FSU ( 2000 ) and Miami ( 2001 ) championship years ?

If you consider where they were at the time the wins would be Miami ( 2003 ) and Va Tech ( 2008 ).

And remember that the lesser BCS bowls aren't for the 3rd/4th, 5th/6th, ec .. best teams.

That's not their intent.

Va Tech got invited to the same type of bowl game as Clemson who beat them twice.

Michigan, who lost to Mich St, went to a BCS game while Mich St went to some lame bowl ( and beat the even lamer UGA squad ).

its from where the teams were at the time of the game i believe

[underdog]

I don't think I hate anyone in any sport more than Bobby Petrino.

[JimBeam]

I don't think I hate anyone in any sport more than Bobby Petrino.

He is a poor man's Saban when it comes to douchiness.

The same lack of tact but with so much less success.

[JimBeam]

The coverage of that game last night was so bad I almost watched it without sound.

If I heard the term " The House That Jerry Built " one more time I was gonna kick my tv.

I'm not sure which dipshit kept saying it but my bet is it was Daryl Johnson probably because Jerry Jones slipped him some money to say it.

The whole pre-game sucked because it was a combination of mid-80's WWF and feel good sports broadcasting.

Trace Adkins ? Really ?

Please tell me that they're not doing the game on Monday.

[cougarjake13]

Nope

It's musberger and herbstreit

[Snoogans]

Nope

It's musberger and herbstreit

who i actually think do a pretty good job on College Football. I dont like Brent on anything else, but he is great for college ball

[cougarjake13]

who i actually think do a pretty good job on College Football. I dont like Brent on anything else, but he is great for college ball



Agree with u

[Snacks]

Nope

It's musberger and herbstreit

musberger is great one of the all time greats.

[underdog]

He is a poor man's Saban when it comes to douchiness.

The same lack of tact but with so much less success.

I still can't get over that he QUIT in the middle of his first season in the NFL. Fucking pussy.

[Snoogans]

I still can't get over that he QUIT in the middle of his first season in the NFL. Fucking pussy.

in fairness, and im not tryin to defend him being a douche cause this is an even bigger douche move, he didnt quit cause they were losing or he is a pussy persay. if he had finished the season, all the good college jobs woulda been gone. So he kinda HAD to leave then or he woulda ended up fired and had to take a year off.

Still a complete dickhead. But, thats actually WHY he quit

[underdog]

in fairness, and im not tryin to defend him being a douche cause this is an even bigger douche move, he didnt quit cause they were losing or he is a pussy persay. if he had finished the season, all the good college jobs woulda been gone. So he kinda HAD to leave then or he woulda ended up fired and had to take a year off.

Still a complete dickhead. But, thats actually WHY he quit

But he wasn't even there a year.

He went to the highest level of his profession and crawled back to college in less than a year.

[Snoogans]

But he wasn't even there a year.

He went to the highest level of his profession and crawled back to college in less than a year.

i get it. i know he is shit. but colleges fire their coaches after the season, which back then was the last week of november

[underdog]

i get it. i know he is shit. but colleges fire their coaches after the season, which back then was the last week of november

I understand why he did it, but he didn't even get through one year in the NFL before he went running back to NCAA.

[Snoogans]

I understand why he did it, but he didn't even get through one year in the NFL before he went running back to NCAA.

cause he is a faggot

[cougarjake13]

in fairness, and im not tryin to defend him being a douche cause this is an even bigger douche move, he didnt quit cause they were losing or he is a pussy persay. if he had finished the season, all the good college jobs woulda been gone. So he kinda HAD to leave then or he woulda ended up fired and had to take a year off.

Still a complete dickhead. But, thats actually WHY he quit


Less then a year I doubt he was getting fired

[KnoxHarrington]

I love hearing Al Michaels make references to what a degenerate gambler he must be.

"I didn't think we'd see more than 59 1/2 points tonight."

Translation: I bet the under.

[ozzie]

Nope

It's musberger and herbstreit

Musberger tries way too hard to overhype every game he does. It gets really annyoing, especially during the regular season.

And I still cringe over his call on the game winning kick last year. "THIS IS FOR ALL THE TOSTITO'S!!!"

[CountryBob]

I love hearing Al Michaels make references to what a degenerate gambler he must be.

"I didn't think we'd see more than 59 1/2 points tonight."

Translation: I bet the under.

Over under is 40

[JimBeam]

He went to the highest level of his profession and crawled back to college in less than a year.

I wouldn't call going back to college " crawling ".

Some guys just like the college game more.

It's not a natural progression for a coach to go from college to the pros.

Bobby Bowden is a legend and never had to go to the NFL to become one.

[Snoogans]

Over under is 40

he was talkin about the game he did saturday. i think he just posted it in the wrong thread

[Crispy123]

So is it going to be a blowout tonight or what?

[Snacks]

cant believe im going to say this but did you see that punt? that kid from lsu has a fucking great leg.

[Snoogans]

cant believe im going to say this but did you see that punt? that kid from lsu has a fucking great leg.

they are actually sayin he might go late 1st round whenever he is in the draft. the entire SEASON LSU has only allowed 6 punt return yards.

Not per game, TOTAL

[Snacks]

they are actually sayin he might go late 1st round whenever he is in the draft. the entire SEASON LSU has only allowed 6 punt return yards.

Not per game, TOTAL

he kicked it like 20 yards over the returns mans head. its like fatty from oak when he was drafted out of fl st as a place kicker. now oak did take him way too early he was expected to be a 3rd round guy and he hasnt been that great of a kicker either. his fg made % is way too low he misses way too many and is a fat fuck but he got drafted by the right team. oak has kept him and overpaid him for years.

[Snoogans]

he kicked it like 20 yards over the returns mans head. its like fatty from oak when he was drafted out of fl st as a place kicker. now oak did take him way too early he was expected to be a 3rd round guy and he hasnt been that great of a kicker either. his fg made % is way too low he misses way too many and is a fat fuck but he got drafted by the right team. oak has kept him and overpaid him for years.

yea oakland did the same thing with Lechler too. But, forgetting that, right now they are both monsters. Lechler is a fuckin beast

[Snoogans]

they are actually sayin he might go late 1st round whenever he is in the draft. the entire SEASON LSU has only allowed 6 punt return yards.

Not per game, TOTAL

HA. so much for that

[Snacks]

HA. so much for that

just came back to say the same thing! lol

[Snacks]

yea oakland did the same thing with Lechler too. But, forgetting that, right now they are both monsters. Lechler is a fuckin beast

Lechler at least is probably the best punter in the game. I dont know where they drafted him but they did over pay when resigning him.

Whatever happened to that punter from SD? I know they have a really good punter now but didnt they used to have one of the aussie rugby punters a few years ago who was a beast for a while?

[Snoogans]

Lechler at least is probably the best punter in the game. I dont know where they drafted him but they did over pay when resigning him.

Whatever happened to that punter from SD? I know they have a really good punter now but didnt they used to have one of the aussie rugby punters a few years ago who was a beast for a while?

you mean Bennett? I forget, he went somewhere. i think the jets one year. he is still bouncin around?

[Snacks]

you mean Bennett? I forget, he went somewhere. i think the jets one year. he is still bouncin around?

that name doesnt sound familiar but you might be right. im sure spoon knows who im talking about.

[Snoogans]

big time by LSU to hold the FG there.


and here snacks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Bennett_%28football_player%29

he mad the all 1990s NFL team. he only retired so early cause he was like 30 when he came here

[Snacks]

big time by LSU to hold the FG there.


and here snacks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Bennett_%28football_player%29

he mad the all 1990s NFL team. he only retired so early cause he was like 30 when he came here

correct and i rem that he was old when he got here.

[Crispy123]

Not a blowout but pretty embarrassing for LSU.

[cougarjake13]

Awful game to watch





Again

[razorboy]

Whoever cuts Gene Chizik's hair should be smacked. The man has negative sideburns.

[Snacks]

such a boring game. this shouldnt even have been the national championship. the only good thing will be so many people will now bitch that we still dont ahve a true national champ and that this is bs.

[underdog]

Awful game to watch





Again

craziness. That first half was awesome.

[sailor]

Yeah, what's boring about the game? Defense?

[Snacks]

Yeah, what's boring about the game? Defense?

i dont know maybe that lsu cant get past the 50 and the qb is avg about 4 yards per att. or maybe that we have scene 11 punts and 7 fg attempts? i think it s more like a soccer game then football.

[sailor]

i dont know maybe that lsu cant get past the 50 and the qb is avg about 4 yards per att. or maybe that we have scene 11 punts and 7 fg attempts? i think it s more like a soccer game then football.

Yeah, dominating defense. and your reaction is why the nfl has instituted the offense friendly rules you've recently railed against.

[sailor]

Al Blue getting chippy on that kick return.

[razorboy]

Damn. That TD ruined the LSU/Bama all field goal series.

[underdog]

Yeah, what's boring about the game? Defense?

Yeah, dominating defense. and your reaction is why the nfl has instituted the offense friendly rules you've recently railed against.

Yeah, I've been a big fan of these games.

And it seems like a lot of the people that complain that this game is boring really are the same people who bitch about all the offense in the NFL.

[KnoxHarrington]

So Alabama is not the champion of their conference, but they're the "National Champion."

Holy shit, is the BCS a total crock of shit.

[Snacks]

Yeah, dominating defense. and your reaction is why the nfl has instituted the offense friendly rules you've recently railed against.

I dont mind def i do want an all around game. when its too much 1 way it sucks and my problem with the nfl is that the rules changed not that offenses score too much. they make it harder to defend thats all. big difference. piss poor offensive play in this game isnt the same thing.

so now a team who lost at home, doesnt win its div or conf gets a do over game and wins the national championship. great system.

[underdog]

So Alabama is not the champion of their conference, but they're the "National Champion."

Holy shit, is the BCS a total crock of shit.

If there was a playoff, the same thing could happen.

Alabama probably would have destroyed any team in a tournament.

[Snacks]

Yeah, I've been a big fan of these games.

And it seems like a lot of the people that complain that this game is boring really are the same people who bitch about all the offense in the NFL.

once again no one bitches about too much offense its bitching about the defenders getting flagged for every none foul. i sometimes wonder if some of you ever played organised football or sports at any skilled level.

[Snacks]

So Alabama is not the champion of their conference, but they're the "National Champion."

Holy shit, is the BCS a total crock of shit.

just said the same thing. they didnt even win their div within the conf. yet are the winners of the entire thing?! but no changes are needed! assholes!

[underdog]

The BCS sucks, yes. But stop acting like this EXACT SAME THING wouldn't have happened with a tournament. Alabama would have been in that tournament, without winning their conference.

[underdog]

once again no one bitches about too much offense its bitching about the defenders getting flagged for every none foul. i sometimes wonder if some of you ever played organised football or sports at any skilled level.

Lots of people bitch about all the offense in the NFL.

And no, I never played organized football. Not sure what that has to do with anything, though.

[Snacks]

The BCS sucks, yes. But stop acting like this EXACT SAME THING wouldn't have happened with a tournament. Alabama would have been in that tournament, without winning their conference.

maybe it would but at least teams like ok st, boise st, oregon etc who won their conferences would have an actual chance to win a title with the same record. so a team with 1 loss deserves the shot to win it all but other teams with 1 loss dont? those teams actually won something that mattered bama didnt.

[Snacks]

Lots of people bitch about all the offense in the NFL.

And no, I never played organized football. Not sure what that has to do with anything, though.

it helps you understand how much these changes truly effect the game.

[underdog]

maybe it would but at least teams like ok st, boise st, oregon etc who won their conferences would have an actual chance to win a title with the same record. so a team with 1 loss deserves the shot to win it all but other teams with 1 loss dont? those teams actually won something that mattered bama didnt.

I don't really disagree with you, but we'll never get that because the NCAA is a bag of dicks.

[underdog]

it helps you understand how much these changes truly effect the game.

I'm fully aware of how much the changes effect the NFL game. Everyone is aware of this. Just because you played Pop Warner football doesn't mean you understand so much more.

[Snacks]

I don't really disagree with you, but we'll never get that because the NCAA is a bag of dicks.

the funny thing is i dont hate bama i actually thought they would win tonight. the line told you to take bama. im just tired of no true champ. we have 6-8 weeks gaps between teams last games and their bowl game. why they cant figure out a way to do a 12/16 team playoff while incorporating the bowl games is beyond me. the bullshit about kids and study's and playing too much is bullshit because they dont care about that and they already do this in every other sport including football in every other college rank except div 1.

[Snacks]

I'm fully aware of how much the changes effect the NFL game. Everyone is aware of this. Just because you played Pop Warner football doesn't mean you understand so much more.

yeah pop warner lol. i played for 8 years and 2 years i played for my schools team and then traveled right after practice to play for another team travel team. i would practice for 2 teams daily and then had games on fri nights and sat afternoons every week. i was supposed to transfer to ramapo and play college ball there but the year of my transfer they cut football for insurance (at least thats what i was told) reasons so i never went.

im not saying i was great i wasnt but i had some great years, started both sides of the ball and wish i went further with it. i didnt because of my own stupidity not my talent.

[KnoxHarrington]

just said the same thing. they didnt even win their div within the conf. yet are the winners of the entire thing?! but no changes are needed! assholes!

Of course, often the winner of the NCAA Basketball Tournament is not the winner of their conference, but they've had to survive a 64 (or so; I never know if you count the teams in those shitty "play-in" games or not) team knockout tournament to get there. If you're just going to anoint two teams as the teams playing for the "championship", I think that it's not too much to ask that they be two teams that actually did win their conference.

[keithy_19]

yeah pop warner lol. i played for 8 years and 2 years i played for my schools team and then traveled right after practice to play for another team travel team. i would practice for 2 teams daily and then had games on fri nights and sat afternoons every week. i was supposed to transfer to ramapo and play college ball there but the year of my transfer they cut football for insurance (at least thats what i was told) reasons so i never went.


Ramapo was the only school (minus UMass) that I really wanted to go to. I didn't for the same reason as you.

Actually I just didn't get in. Your reason sounds better though.

[FatassTitePants]

Of course, often the winner of the NCAA Basketball Tournament is not the winner of their conference, but they've had to survive a 64 (or so; I never know if you count the teams in those shitty "play-in" games or not) team knockout tournament to get there. If you're just going to anoint two teams as the teams playing for the "championship", I think that it's not too much to ask that they be two teams that actually did win their conference.

VCU did make it to the Final Four last year...Just sayin'

[ozzie]

If there was a playoff, the same thing could happen.

Alabama probably would have destroyed any team in a tournament.

That's the problem with college football right now. We're constantly reduced to arguing about what "probably" would happen.

No one doubted that bama would have a chance to win, given another shot. That wasn't what most people had a problem with.

The problem is that each year only 2 teams get a chance to play for a title. And when one of those 2 precious spots is awarded to a school that already had a chance, and lost, and didn't even win their division, let alone conference, it contradicts the "every game counts" line that the BCS has been pushing.

Apparently they're listening, because immediately after the game, they started running a crawl saying that the BCS was going to meet today to discuss changes, but had to add that they're still about keeping the integrity of the regular season... which was basically rendered meaningless this year.

I don't expect a full "playoff" anytime soon, but they've already indicated that they want to do get away from deciding which school/conference goes to which bowl (doing away with "AQ" stuff,) and basically separating the "Championship" game away from the bowl games and bowl sites.

It's a good start, and opens up the possibility of inviting additional schools, and hopefully starting earlier too. There would be nothing stopping them from hosing "BCS Semi Finals" in December at neutral sites. Except for taking a few schools out of the mix, the bowl games could remain, and go back to handing out invitations to come play in their post season "events".

I think a "plus one" (4 team tournament) is coming soon, and if successful (which I have no doubts it would be), it could lead to expansion and more schools getting in.

[JimBeam]

yea oakland did the same thing with Lechler too. But, forgetting that, right now they are both monsters. Lechler is a fuckin beast

I think Lechler played for Auburn right ? Or was it WVU ?

I remember that in college they accused him of using overly inflated balls or something.

If it wasn't Lechler it was a guy who punted for Auburn under Bowden.

[JimBeam]

So Alabama is not the champion of their conference, but they're the "National Champion."

Holy shit, is the BCS a total crock of shit.

Yeah because every team that wins the NCAA basketball championship won their division.

Like UConn last year that fininshed 9th.

Oh but there's a playoff right ? That's the rebuttal ?

So the 9th best team in a division was the best team or the hottest team when it counted ?

[JimBeam]

maybe it would but at least teams like ok st, boise st, oregon etc who won their conferences would have an actual chance to win a title with the same record. so a team with 1 loss deserves the shot to win it all but other teams with 1 loss dont? those teams actually won something that mattered bama didnt.

So a 2 loss Oregon team deserves a chance just because they won their league ?

They played a team in their conference title game that ended the season w/ a losing record.

It would be " fair " for LSU to have had to beat Oregon again ?

Why is it so hard to picture Alabama as a wild card which is now so loved in other sports ?

Why don't we just have every team play every other team just so that we can be " fair " ?

116 game seasons and then a 100 team tournament just so we can be sure.

[JimBeam]

That's the problem with college football right now. We're constantly reduced to arguing about what "probably" would happen.

No one doubted that bama would have a chance to win, given another shot. That wasn't what most people had a problem with.

The problem is that each year only 2 teams get a chance to play for a title. And when one of those 2 precious spots is awarded to a school that already had a chance, and lost, and didn't even win their division, let alone conference, it contradicts the "every game counts" line that the BCS has been pushing.

Apparently they're listening, because immediately after the game, they started running a crawl saying that the BCS was going to meet today to discuss changes, but had to add that they're still about keeping the integrity of the regular season... which was basically rendered meaningless this year.

I don't expect a full "playoff" anytime soon, but they've already indicated that they want to do get away from deciding which school/conference goes to which bowl (doing away with "AQ" stuff,) and basically separating the "Championship" game away from the bowl games and bowl sites.

It's a good start, and opens up the possibility of inviting additional schools, and hopefully starting earlier too. There would be nothing stopping them from hosing "BCS Semi Finals" in December at neutral sites. Except for taking a few schools out of the mix, the bowl games could remain, and go back to handing out invitations to come play in their post season "events".

I think a "plus one" (4 team tournament) is coming soon, and if successful (which I have no doubts it would be), it could lead to expansion and more schools getting in.

And you don't think there's gonna bee belly aching about who gets in the +1/+4 ?

So this year it would've been LSU, Alabama, OK St and who ?

Stanford ( they didn't win their conference ) ?

Boise St ( they beat nobody ) ?

Oregon St ( LSU throttled them and they lost to a sanction laden team ) ?

Wisconsin/Mich St/Mich ( all lost 2+ games ) ?

[ozzie]

I think Lechler played for Auburn right ? Or was it WVU ?

I remember that in college they accused him of using overly inflated balls or something.

If it wasn't Lechler it was a guy who punted for Auburn under Bowden.

Mississippi State (specifically Jackie Sherrill) accused Auburn's Terry Daniels of kicking balls filled with helium.

Mythbusters proved that, even if they were filled with helium (which they weren't), they still don't fly further, or even as far.

[CountryBob]

I say every conf champion gets a nation championship trophy and cupcakes.

[ozzie]

And you don't think there's gonna bee belly aching about who gets in the +1/+4 ?

So this year it would've been LSU, Alabama, OK St and who ?

Stanford ( they didn't win their conference ) ?

Boise St ( they beat nobody ) ?

Oregon St ( LSU throttled them and they lost to a sanction laden team ) ?

Wisconsin/Mich St/Mich ( all lost 2+ games ) ?

There's debate over which "bubble teams" get into the 64+ team NCAA basketball tournament too. That'll never end.

Even NFL fans debate over the hierarchy of tie breakers.

But I'd much rather be debating who gets the #16, or #8, or even the #4 spot than who gets #1 and #2.

[JimBeam]

I'd rather be arguing over the cream of the crop than giving any credence to the though that what happens in the Sun Belt Conference is even remotely equal to what happens in the BCS conferences.

[underdog]

There's debate over which "bubble teams" get into the 64+ team NCAA basketball tournament too. That'll never end.

Even NFL fans debate over the hierarchy of tie breakers.

But I'd much rather be debating who gets the #16, or #8, or even the #4 spot than who gets #1 and #2.

yeah, but the bubble teams in the basketball tourney have no chance at a national title. The first team left out of a 4 team tourny in College Football would have a legitimate chance at a national title.

[JimBeam]

I just read a SI article that said the proposed system would have been a 4 team playoff w/ LSU, Alabama, OK St and Stanford.

How the hell could you rationalize Stanford ?

Sure, like Alabama they didn't win thier conference, but unlike Alabama they didn't play much of a schedule.

So Oregon would be left out, because of the 2 losses, even though they won their conference.

That makes any more sense than what we have now ?

[JimBeam]

Anybody have a link to the AP votes ?

I want to see who gave the votes to LSU and OK St.

[ozzie]

I'd rather be arguing over the cream of the crop than giving any credence to the though that what happens in the Sun Belt Conference is even remotely equal to what happens in the BCS conferences.

Sorry, I don't judge a school's football program strictly by the conference they play in.

Programs rise and fall.

Florida State used to be a women's college, and a school you scheduled for an easy homecoming win.

South Florida just started football in 1997, and was contending in the Big East in under a decade.

I read a Dan Jenkins book in the early 90's about his alma mater (TCU), that was once a powerhouse, and he writes a fictional story about his beloved horned frogs winning a national championship again. People loved it because it was so far-fetched and humorous. I guess Wisconsin wasn't laughing last year.

Houston goes up and down constantly. There's a ton of talent in that state, and every now and then they get a coach who can grab enough talent out of that state to compete with the big boys. They were one bad game (to a pretty damn good Southern Miss team) away from having a chance to prove that this year. But at least settled for running circles around Penn State.

Gus Malzahn just took the Arkansas State job, and will recruit the hell out of the southeast. They're already rumored to be getting last year's BCS game MVP Michael Dyer.

South Alabama will be moving up to "FBS" soon, and is already landing bama transfers and other overlooked talent.

Great coaching, and a good eye for spotting and utilizing talent can overcome inherent advantages the "BCS" schools have. Sure, most small schools don't have the budget to keep great coaches for long (e.g. Urban Meyer - Bowling Green / Utah), but don't assume that they can NEVER compete... even if it's just one great year.

[ozzie]

yeah, but the bubble teams in the basketball tourney have no chance at a national title. The first team left out of a 4 team tourny in College Football would have a legitimate chance at a national title.

Exactly.

[JimBeam]

Exactly.

Exactly what ?

he pointed to the fact that the 5th team could win it all but would be left out.

How would that be any fairer ?

[ozzie]

Exactly what ?

he pointed to the fact that the 5th team could win it all but would be left out.

How would that be any fairer ?

When did I say I thought a 4 team "playoff" was a perfect system?

I said that a "plus one" was a good START, and that I'd rather be debating over who was #16 or #8 or EVEN #4, rather than who was #1 and #2.

Earlier, and in other threads, he was acting like they somehow "got it right" last night, and that he felt like he was watching the two best teams.

Now he's admitting that, in a given year, more than 4 teams could/should have a legitimate shot.

Which has been "Exactly" my point, and why it's bullshit to think that voting on only two teams getting a chance rarely produces an "undisputed champion".

And I agreed that no "playoff" would ever make EVERYONE happy, and that there would always be bitching and schools feeling like they somehow got screwed.

[KnoxHarrington]

When did I say I thought a 4 team "playoff" was a perfect system?

I said that a "plus one" was a good START, and that I'd rather be debating over who was #16 or #8 or EVEN #4, rather than who was #1 and #2.

Earlier, and in other threads, he was acting like they somehow "got it right" last night, and that he felt like he was watching the two best teams.

Now he's admitting that, in a given year, more than 4 teams could/should have a legitimate shot.

Which has been "Exactly" my point, and why it's bullshit to think that voting on only two teams getting a chance rarely produces an "undisputed champion".

And I agreed that no "playoff" would ever make EVERYONE happy, and that there would always be bitching and schools feeling like they somehow got screwed.

There's always some team bitching about being left out of the NCAA basketball tournament, and we're talking there about leaving maybe the 30th best team in the country, not counting the automatic qualifiers from shit conferences that will get their ass whipped in the 1st round, out of the tournament. So you cannot make the tournament big enough to guarantee absolutely everyone who has the slightest chance of winning gets in.

It's just that I'd rather have this conversation be about leaving out the 5th or 9th or 17th ranked team, not the 3rd.

[JimBeam]

But the more teams you add the more you're diluting the qualifications.

So when you get to 16 teams you're obvioulsy no longer looking at the very best teams.

So you could have 10 teams arguing over why they are better than #16 whereas in the current system you usually only have 1 team complaining.

OK St is the only casualty this year and as most people I've heard, not just the ESPN conspirators, agree that they blew their chance.

None of the other teams are even in the discussion.

[CountryBob]

What happened to strength of schedule as a big determining factor? Let SOS and win/loss records dictate (especially wins). Throw out all of the bullshit about polls and computers to determine who plays who.

Or, eliminate everything and just go by the AP and Coaches Poll average.

[JimBeam]

What happened to strength of schedule as a big determining factor? Let SOS and win/loss records dictate (especially wins). Throw out all of the bullshit about polls and computers to determine who plays who.

Or, eliminate everything and just go by the AP and Coaches Poll average.

I'd be more inclined to agree with this than giving spots to conference winners.

It's not just that terrible conferences w/ no SOS could get in but you could have a decent conference send a crappy team ( say UCLA this season ).

If a team and it's conference were good enough they should be in the top spots and would therefore qualify.

[sailor]

So, maybe we should just do some giant FA Cup style tourney where every team in every division is included.

[Snoogans]

So, maybe we should just do some giant FA Cup style tourney where every team in every division is included.

that would fuckin kick ass. we could do it just like that where its all levels, and the D1 teams come in like round 3. the first 2 rounds help clear out alot of D3 and D2. Id be all about this

[CountryBob]

So, maybe we should just do some giant FA Cup style tourney where every team in every division is included.

Whats FA cup?

[ozzie]

There's always some team bitching about being left out of the NCAA basketball tournament, and we're talking there about leaving maybe the 30th best team in the country, not counting the automatic qualifiers from shit conferences that will get their ass whipped in the 1st round, out of the tournament. So you cannot make the tournament big enough to guarantee absolutely everyone who has the slightest chance of winning gets in.

It's just that I'd rather have this conversation be about leaving out the 5th or 9th or 17th ranked team, not the 3rd.

And it's not just division 1 basketball.

Every other sport, and every other level of football, except D-1A football, holds an NCAA run tournament, the majority of which include auto-bids for conference winners.

Including college baseball. 31 different conferences were represented last year in the field of 64.

It's just part of it. Yeah, there are always "BCS" schools who bitch because Austin Peay or some minor school made it in over them, but with so many "at large" spots, rarely are top-25 teams left out.

And, yep, the vast majority of the time these "mid majors" are outsted in the first round. But very few complain, or act like it's a waste of time to pit a #1 against a #16.

And I didn't hear any outrage over #1 Virginia or #2 Florida having to survive baseball regionals against Manhattan or St. Johns. Of the "top-8 seeds" that started the tournament, 6 of them went on to Omaha.

Now, you can be a cynic, and say that they coulda/shoulda just sent the top-8 teams to Omaha... or you can enjoy the process, and congratulate the other 2 that won their way in.

Would bama have destroyed Arkansas State in a first round of a 16 team football playoff (one that included all conf winners) this year? Absolutely. But how is that any worse than them playing an FCS school (GA Southern) just two weeks before?

Right now D-1AA (FCS) runs a 20 team football tournament. And with a few conferences abstaining, they're all included. It started on Nov. 26, with 8 teams playing to move into the round of 16, and the final game was last Saturday (Jan 7). In the end, the top 4 seeded schools survived to the semi's, with #2 beating #1 in the finals.

Every FCS school had a shot at winning their conference, and making the field. Yet, somehow, the "cream" still rose to the top. Again, be a cynic all you want and just think that the first 3 rounds were a waste of time, but I don't see a lot of complaining in the "lower divisions".

A D-1A 16 team tournament this year might have looked something like this:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6421/ncaaplayoffbracket12061.jpg

Obviously there are some first round mis-matches. But there's also some to determine which "bubble teams" would move on. (#7 v. #10, #8 v. #9... even #6 v. #11 this year would be interesting)

Would South Carolina destroy La Tech? Most likely. So would Va Tech, Michigan, Baylor and Georgia. Would they complain? Maybe.

But, so what? You don't win your conference, there's 5 at large spots. Aren't ranked high enough to snag one of those? Tough shit.

It's the same in every other sport, and every other level of college football.

[Snoogans]

Whats FA cup?

thew Football Association cup is a tournament in English soccer that pits every pro soccer team from every level. in england they send teams that finish on the bottom to a lower level and bring up the top teams from that level. so they have 5 levels of pro soccer in england. So the FA cup is a tourney that features all the teams from every level and runs throughout the regular League season as almost like a side league

[underdog]

And it's not just division 1 basketball.

Every other sport, and every other level of football, except D-1A football, holds an NCAA run tournament, the majority of which include auto-bids for conference winners.

Including college baseball. 31 different conferences were represented last year in the field of 64.

It's just part of it. Yeah, there are always "BCS" schools who bitch because Austin Peay or some minor school made it in over them, but with so many "at large" spots, rarely are top-25 teams left out.

And, yep, the vast majority of the time these "mid majors" are outsted in the first round. But very few complain, or act like it's a waste of time to pit a #1 against a #16.

And I didn't hear any outrage over #1 Virginia or #2 Florida having to survive baseball regionals against Manhattan or St. Johns. Of the "top-8 seeds" that started the tournament, 6 of them went on to Omaha.

Now, you can be a cynic, and say that they coulda/shoulda just sent the top-8 teams to Omaha... or you can enjoy the process, and congratulate the other 2 that won their way in.

Would bama have destroyed Arkansas State in a first round of a 16 team football playoff (one that included all conf winners) this year? Absolutely. But how is that any worse than them playing an FCS school (GA Southern) just two weeks before?

Right now D-1AA (FCS) runs a 20 team football tournament. And with a few conferences abstaining, they're all included. It started on Nov. 26, with 8 teams playing to move into the round of 16, and the final game was last Saturday (Jan 7). In the end, the top 4 seeded schools survived to the semi's, with #2 beating #1 in the finals.

Every FCS school had a shot at winning their conference, and making the field. Yet, somehow, the "cream" still rose to the top. Again, be a cynic all you want and just think that the first 3 rounds were a waste of time, but I don't see a lot of complaining in the "lower divisions".

A D-1A 16 team tournament this year might have looked something like this:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6421/ncaaplayoffbracket12061.jpg

Obviously there are some first round mis-matches. But there's also some to determine which "bubble teams" would move on. (#7 v. #10, #8 v. #9... even #6 v. #11 this year would be interesting)

Would South Carolina destroy La Tech? Most likely. So would Va Tech, Michigan, Baylor and Georgia. Would they complain? Maybe.

But, so what? You don't win your conference, there's 5 at large spots. Aren't ranked high enough to snag one of those? Tough shit.

It's the same in every other sport, and every other level of college football.

16 teams is a good number of teams. You need to make the selections large enough that the bubble teams aren't legitimate contenders, therefore all the bubble talk goes away after the first week (like in the basketball tourney). Now, we talk about if the #3 - #6 teams could have actually beaten the #1 team for weeks after the game, and it always overshadows the championship.

[JimBeam]

And it's not just division 1 basketball.

Every other sport, and every other level of football, except D-1A football, holds an NCAA run tournament, the majority of which include auto-bids for conference winners.

Including college baseball. 31 different conferences were represented last year in the field of 64.

It's just part of it. Yeah, there are always "BCS" schools who bitch because Austin Peay or some minor school made it in over them, but with so many "at large" spots, rarely are top-25 teams left out.

And, yep, the vast majority of the time these "mid majors" are outsted in the first round. But very few complain, or act like it's a waste of time to pit a #1 against a #16.

And I didn't hear any outrage over #1 Virginia or #2 Florida having to survive baseball regionals against Manhattan or St. Johns. Of the "top-8 seeds" that started the tournament, 6 of them went on to Omaha.

Now, you can be a cynic, and say that they coulda/shoulda just sent the top-8 teams to Omaha... or you can enjoy the process, and congratulate the other 2 that won their way in.

Would bama have destroyed Arkansas State in a first round of a 16 team football playoff (one that included all conf winners) this year? Absolutely. But how is that any worse than them playing an FCS school (GA Southern) just two weeks before?

Right now D-1AA (FCS) runs a 20 team football tournament. And with a few conferences abstaining, they're all included. It started on Nov. 26, with 8 teams playing to move into the round of 16, and the final game was last Saturday (Jan 7). In the end, the top 4 seeded schools survived to the semi's, with #2 beating #1 in the finals.

Every FCS school had a shot at winning their conference, and making the field. Yet, somehow, the "cream" still rose to the top. Again, be a cynic all you want and just think that the first 3 rounds were a waste of time, but I don't see a lot of complaining in the "lower divisions".

A D-1A 16 team tournament this year might have looked something like this:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6421/ncaaplayoffbracket12061.jpg

Obviously there are some first round mis-matches. But there's also some to determine which "bubble teams" would move on. (#7 v. #10, #8 v. #9... even #6 v. #11 this year would be interesting)

Would South Carolina destroy La Tech? Most likely. So would Va Tech, Michigan, Baylor and Georgia. Would they complain? Maybe.

But, so what? You don't win your conference, there's 5 at large spots. Aren't ranked high enough to snag one of those? Tough shit.

It's the same in every other sport, and every other level of college football.

Firstly, as I've mentioned before, in both basketball ( 2 times minimum, home/away and possibly a 3rd time in the conference tournament ) and baseball ( 3 games and possibly a 4th or 5th in a conference tournament ) you play the teams in your league mutiple times.

It's very easy to say who the better team is when they've played 3 times.

If LSU and Alabama had played a home/home football series and LSU won both we wouldn't have had a game last night because you could say that 2 losses is definitive.

As far as other levels of college football I doubt there's such a fluctuation in talent between leagues as there is in the FBS.

Based on the names I always see there are clearly teams that get better players but I don't notice that any conference/league is superior to others.

In some of the lower tiers, say DIII, I think they play teams home and away so again in that scenario it can be easier to determine the better team if one sweeps.

Another point is who the hell do you think is going to watch a TCU/N Illinois game, if both pulled upsets, on either TV or in person ?

Maybe the loyalest of all fans but if a person didn't watch LSU/Alabama last night I severely doubt they'll watch that game.

What advertisers are going to pay to have their ads run during that kinda game ?

As we all know there's some business to all of this and people aren't just going to throw around money just so that some people can feel things are " fair ".

Regardless of whether you wanna mock the student athlete thing you again have to realize that many of the fans are students and may go home for breaks and not worry about seeing Arkansas St get beaten by Alabama. Now you're playing games in half empty stadiums.

Plus you're talking about what 5 more games ? So then you'd say cut the regular season down ?

So now you lose all non-conference games and possibly conference games ?

[Snoogans]

just use the fuckin BCS top 16 so we dont have to let in the Sun Belt winner, please?

[CountryBob]

you guys really need to get paid thinking about this stuff - hell, maybe you do.

Seems that the main reason nothing had been changed from the bowl system is allocation of the money and stubborness to make a change even if it is for the better.

The step they took back years ago to have a BCS was cool but it has been in dire need of adjustments ever since.

[JimBeam]

No, don't try and make 3 extra weeks of unwatchable football so that we can have some false sense of closure.

[Snoogans]

No, don't try and make 3 extra weeks of unwatchable football so that we can have some false sense of closure.

i dont know man. i kinda like the FA cup idea. I would love to see William Paterson go on down to the swamp to play Florida in the 4th round of the USFA cup

[underdog]

No, don't try and make 3 extra weeks of unwatchable football so that we can have some false sense of closure.

How would any of the top 16 teams in the nation playing each other be unwatchable?

[CountryBob]

OK - you all have to have an agreement by next week on how we are going to change this system. The BCS is waiting......

[JimBeam]

As I pointed out would you watch TCU/N Illinois ?

Would you really watch Alabama/Ark St ?

That's a homecoming game and one for which people would give their tickets to their coworkers rather than go watch.

[underdog]

As I pointed out would you watch TCU/N Illinois ?

Would you really watch Alabama/Ark St ?

That's a homecoming game and one for which people would give their tickets to their coworkers rather than go watch.

If the games had some sort of bearing on the national title, YES! It would be amazing.

[Snoogans]

How would any of the top 16 teams in the nation playing each other be unwatchable?

yea such a horrible thing. here is how it woulda gone if it was that way this year

First Round:
16 Georgia @ 1 LSU
15 Clemson @ 2 Bama
14 Oklahoma @ 3 Oklahoma State
13 Michigan @ 4Stanford
12 Baylor @ 5 Oregon
11 Va Tech @ 6 Arkansas
10 Wisconsin @ 7 Boise St
9 South Carolina @ 8 Kansas State


WHAT A TERRIBLE AWFUL TOURNAMENT

[cougarjake13]

That would be better then just these crappy bowls that don't mean much other then the money they get for going and a trophy to the winner

[CountryBob]

yea such a horrible thing. here is how it woulda gone if it was that way this year

First Round:
16 Georgia @ 1 LSU
15 Clemson @ 2 Bama
14 Oklahoma @ 3 Oklahoma State
13 Michigan @ 4Stanford
12 Baylor @ 5 Oregon
11 Va Tech @ 6 Arkansas
10 Wisconsin @ 7 Boise St
9 South Carolina @ 8 Kansas State


WHAT A TERRIBLE AWFUL TOURNAMENT

God that would have been awesome!

[JimBeam]

2 points.

Firstly that's not using Ozzie's format. I stated earlier that I would be more in line w/ a ranking system than conference qualifiers.

Secondly you have 2 games ( OK/OK St and LSU/UGA ) that would've just been played.

So LSU beats UGA to win the SEC and then they play them again to advance ?

And don't tell me you'll do away w/ the conference title games because then who is the conference winner ?

Don't expect the conferences to go away from the division format to fit a playoff.

[Snoogans]

God that would have been awesome!

i keep sitting here in my head thinking about how AWESOME it would be to get to do a bracket pool with it, NCAA tourney style. It also makes me sit and think about who i would pick and all the other things that would kick ass too.

[underdog]

yea such a horrible thing. here is how it woulda gone if it was that way this year

First Round:
16 Georgia @ 1 LSU
15 Clemson @ 2 Bama
14 Oklahoma @ 3 Oklahoma State
13 Michigan @ 4Stanford
12 Baylor @ 5 Oregon
11 Va Tech @ 6 Arkansas
10 Wisconsin @ 7 Boise St
9 South Carolina @ 8 Kansas State


WHAT A TERRIBLE AWFUL TOURNAMENT

Now I'm pissed again.

[Snoogans]

2 points.

Firstly that's not using Ozzie's format. I stated earlier that I would be more in line w/ a ranking system than conference qualifiers.

Secondly you have 2 games ( OK/OK St and LSU/UGA ) that would've just been played.

So LSU beats UGA to win the SEC and then they play them again to advance ?

And don't tell me you'll do away w/ the conference title games because then who is the conference winner ?

Don't expect the conferences to go away from the division format to fit a playoff.

i said how bout we just use the BCS top 16 for the tourney and you immediately followed by sayin it would be 3 weeks of boring football. we figured you were talkin to me

[Snoogans]

Now I'm pissed again.

dude you could get people to pay 100 bucks for that fuckin pool. Imagine gettin 50 people in on that bracket at 100 bucks a shot and runnin the table?

[JimBeam]

That would be better then just these crappy bowls that don't mean much other then the money they get for going and a trophy to the winner

But you're confusing the meaning of those bowls.

The Outback Bowl isn't played so we can imagine who's the 20th best team.

It's played because fans get to see games they wouldn't normally see and yes to make money.

If the idea of the sport was to only have crown a champion, and not for us to enjoy the games, then why not just open the season w/ the tournament and we'd be done by the 1st week of October.

[Snoogans]

But you're confusing the meaning of those bowls.

The Outback Bowl isn't played so we can imagine who's the 20th best team.

It's played because fans get to see games they wouldn't normally see and yes to make money.

If the idea of the sport was to only have crown a champion, and not for us to enjoy the games, then why not just open the season w/ the tournament and we'd be done by the 1st week of October.

even if we did the BCS top 16 tourney, id use the BCS bowl locations to host it. Then i would keep all the rest of the bowls as they are right now and let them go before and in between weekends of the tourney. it would still kick ass.

Everything would kick ass my way

[JimBeam]

just use the fuckin BCS top 16 so we dont have to let in the Sun Belt winner, please?

My bad, I read that as sarcasm and you were saying " let's use the curent system because it's better than letting in a weak team ".

You leave out crappy teams then you've got watchable games.

But again you run the problem of having rematches. Not that they themselves are bad but if they just happened you run a risk of making a game stale.

[JimBeam]

even if we did the BCS top 16 tourney, id use the BCS bowl locations to host it. Then i would keep all the rest of the bowls as they are right now and let them go before and in between weekends of the tourney. it would still kick ass.

Everything would kick ass my way

I had a plan last year using the existing bowls.

You could make the Sugar, Rose, Fiesta, Orange, Cotton and Outback ( ???? ) the final spots.

One of the 6 would get the title game on a circulating basis.

[Snoogans]

My bad, I read that as sarcasm and you were saying " let's use the curent system because it's better than letting in a weak team ".

You leave out crappy teams then you've got watchable games.

But again you run the problem of having rematches. Not that they themselves are bad but if they just happened you run a risk of making a game stale.

stale nothing. Top 16 is top 16. if there is a rematch, there is a rematch. I dont think people watchin NFL playoffs ever had matchups get stale cause they happened too much

[ozzie]

yea such a horrible thing. here is how it woulda gone if it was that way this year

First Round:
16 Georgia @ 1 LSU
15 Clemson @ 2 Bama
14 Oklahoma @ 3 Oklahoma State
13 Michigan @ 4Stanford
12 Baylor @ 5 Oregon
11 Va Tech @ 6 Arkansas
10 Wisconsin @ 7 Boise St
9 South Carolina @ 8 Kansas State


WHAT A TERRIBLE AWFUL TOURNAMENT

I know you'll never agree, but it would be a kick in the nuts to TCU if they got shut out, and the boise blue boys got in because of a popular vote. TCU deserves something for knocking them out this year.

La Tech, Arky State and No. Illinois... fine, shut them out if you have to.

But how many chances are we going to give South Carolina, Oklahoma and Georgia?

I just think that once you get past the top-10, it should take more than a popularity vote to get you in.

Fuck, I'd take this format over what we have, but it would still suck for #18 TCU, #21 So Miss and #19 Houston. Yeah, I know Houston didn't win thier CCG, but dropping them from #6 to #19 wasn't exactly fair either.

And I'm sure you realize that this doesn't include anyone from the Big East.

The way WVU played in the Orange, it's a shame they wouldn't make this field either.

And it's amazing to me that people have no problem with the fact that 35 bowl games are televised, some in desolate stadiums, yet the minute playoff formats are suggested, people start wondering who will watch, or who will attend.

No one worries about who's going to go watch bama play ga southern, or what station is going to pick up that p.o.s. game. Just about every school has one bullshit non-conf game they could afford to drop for the chance of hosting or participating in a first round playoff game.

In the lower divisions, the higher seeds host the games at home the first few rounds. The exact same would work here, and I don't see a single higher seeded team in the first round that wouldn't sell out their stadium to watch it. Games are played over thanksgiving break, and students and alumni flock back to campus to watch rivalry games that weekend, and then they're already making plans to follow the team to the championship game (if applicable) or whatever bowl they go to.

And if you can find a network to carry the "GoDaddy.com Bowl", I don't think you'd have any problem finding a network to pick up any playoff matchup.

[Snoogans]

I had a plan last year using the existing bowls.

You could make the Sugar, Rose, Fiesta, Orange, Cotton and Outback ( ???? ) the final spots.

One of the 6 would get the title game on a circulating basis.

i did it for the top 8 of the BCS using just the 4 BCS sites. assuming it was 16 teams i would use 8 sites, one for each first round, figure them out whnever we need to but the 6 you mention would be there. then use the BCS 4 for the rest of the games so they make more money, everyone makes at least as much, and you still keep all the other bowl games for the teams who were 6-6 or better. It would be perfect, thats why it wont happen

[Snoogans]

I know you'll never agree, but it would be a kick in the nuts to TCU if they got shut out, and the boise blue boys got in because of a popular vote. TCU deserves something for knocking them out this year.

La Tech, Arky State and No. Illinois... fine, shut them out if you have to.

But how many chances are we going to give South Carolina, Oklahoma and Georgia?

I just think that once you get past the top-10, it should take more than a popularity vote to get you in.

Fuck, I'd take this format over what we have, but it would still suck for #18 TCU, #21 So Miss and #19 Houston. Yeah, I know Houston didn't win thier CCG, but dropping them from #6 to #19 wasn't exactly fair either.

And I'm sure you realize that this doesn't include anyone from the Big East.

The way WVU played in the Orange, it's a shame they wouldn't make this field either.

And it's amazing to me that people have no problem with the fact that 35 bowl games are televised, some in desolate stadiums, yet the minute playoff formats are suggested, people start wondering who will watch, or who will attend.

No one worries about who's going to go watch bama play ga southern, or what station is going to pick up that p.o.s. game. Just about every school has one bullshit non-conf game they could afford to drop for the chance of hosting or participating in a first round playoff game.

In the lower divisions, the higher seeds host the games at home the first few rounds. The exact same would work here, and I don't see a single higher seeded team in the first round that wouldn't sell out their stadium to watch it. Games are played over thanksgiving break, and students and alumni flock back to campus to watch rivalry games that weekend, and then they're already making plans to follow the team to the championship game (if applicable) or whatever bowl they go to.

And if you can find a network to carry the "GoDaddy.com Bowl", I don't think you'd have any problem finding a network to pick up any playoff matchup.

id rather see those other teams in the other bowls that would still exist so they are still good games. Sometimes a team (like TCU, its a valid point you have) are gonna get fucked. You will never make everyone happy. If TCU wanted in, they shoulda won more games and got up to the top 16. thats fuckin life

[JimBeam]

Southern Miss gets locked out simply for the fact that they lost to a 3 win UAB team. A win against Houston doesn't erase that.

WVU you're out because you gave Syracuse it's only win in conference.

And to Snoogan's point if the TCU win over Boise St meant more they would be ranked higher.

Boise St's getting a lot of cred in this ranking for beating those humps from UGA.

The voting would drastically change in this system though.

You'd see those teams like Boise St getting much fewer Top 10 votes.

[ozzie]

i did it for the top 8 of the BCS using just the 4 BCS sites. assuming it was 16 teams i would use 8 sites, one for each first round, figure them out whnever we need to but the 6 you mention would be there. then use the BCS 4 for the rest of the games so they make more money, everyone makes at least as much, and you still keep all the other bowl games for the teams who were 6-6 or better. It would be perfect, thats why it wont happen

If it ever got to 16 teams, you're talking about the 2 fan bases that make the finals travelling to 4 different locations. That's a lot to expect, and not a lot of time in between rounds to make travel plans.

Now you're asking dallas residents to come out and buy tickets to a quarterfinal game in the "Cotton Bowl" which could match two schools that they don't care about.

I agree that semi-finals and the championship game could/should be at neutral sites, but I'm afraid that logistically, you gotta play at least the first round on the higher seed's field, if not the second too.

[Snoogans]

If it ever got to 16 teams, you're talking about the 2 fan bases that make the finals travelling to 4 different locations. That's a lot to expect, and not a lot of time in between rounds to make travel plans.

Now you're asking dallas residents to come out and buy tickets to a quarterfinal game in the "Cotton Bowl" which could match two schools that they don't care about.

I agree that semi-finals and the championship game could/should be at neutral sites, but I'm afraid that logistically, you gotta play at least the first round on the higher seed's field, if not the second too.

Its playoff football. if you put the games in the right place, they would fuckin sell out. Shit, you could play every single fuckin game in Mobile and they would prob all sell out no matter who was playing

[ozzie]

id rather see those other teams in the other bowls that would still exist so they are still good games. Sometimes a team (like TCU, its a valid point you have) are gonna get fucked. You will never make everyone happy. If TCU wanted in, they shoulda won more games and got up to the top 16. thats fuckin life

Ha ha, that's not "life"... that's D-1A football! That's just the status quo. There are D-1AA schools right now who would tell Boise fans, "tough shit. If Boise wanted in, they shoulda won their conference".

Just because we've relied on polls for so many years, doesn't mean it's right.

And if you're going to still rely on "votes", for fuck's sake, you gotta do a better job of screening your voters if it still takes votes to get in.

No more coaches, or former conference commissioners deciding who goes.

You put together an impartial "selection committee" like they do for basketball... one that will look at everyone equally, with no conference bias... and you might sway my vote.

But, if given a choice, I'll always favor letting the conferences decide who their own representative should be, over letting some "National Harris Poll" decide.

You just can't convince me that someone's fucking "opinion" of which was the better team, Boise or TCU, overrides the fact that TCU won ON BOISE'S SHITTY BLUE FIELD this year.

[Snoogans]

Ha ha, that's not "life"... that's D-1A football! That's just the status quo. There are D-1AA schools right now who would tell Boise fans, "tough shit. If Boise wanted in, they shoulda won their conference".

Just because we've relied on polls for so many years, doesn't mean it's right.

And if you're going to still rely on "votes", for fuck's sake, you gotta do a better job of screening your voters if it still takes votes to get in.

No more coaches, or former conference commissioners deciding who goes.

You put together an impartial "selection committee" like they do for basketball... one that will look at everyone equally, with no conference bias... and you might sway my vote.

But, if given a choice, I'll always favor letting the conferences decide who their own representative should be, over letting some "National Harris Poll" decide.

You just can't convince me that someone's fucking "opinion" of which was the better team, Boise or TCU, overrides the fact that TCU won ON BOISE'S SHITTY BLUE FIELD this year.
again, you are goin for the whole fuckin thing. Im not sayin my idea is the best possible way to do a playoff. Im sayin i think its the best possible way to actually get these fuckers to agree to it

[JimBeam]

Ha ha, that's not "life"... that's D-1A football! That's just the status quo. There are D-1AA schools right now who would tell Boise fans, "tough shit. If Boise wanted in, they shoulda won their conference".

Just because we've relied on polls for so many years, doesn't mean it's right.

And if you're going to still rely on "votes", for fuck's sake, you gotta do a better job of screening your voters if it still takes votes to get in.

No more coaches, or former conference commissioners deciding who goes.

You put together an impartial "selection committee" like they do for basketball... one that will look at everyone equally, with no conference bias... and you might sway my vote.

But, if given a choice, I'll always favor letting the conferences decide who their own representative should be, over letting some "National Harris Poll" decide.

You just can't convince me that someone's fucking "opinion" of which was the better team, Boise or TCU, overrides the fact that TCU won ON BOISE'S SHITTY BLUE FIELD this year.

So if TCU beats Boise St but loses 3 other games you think they should get in ahead of Boise St simply because they won head to head ?

[ozzie]

Its playoff football. if you put the games in the right place, they would fuckin sell out. Shit, you could play every single fuckin game in Mobile and they would prob all sell out no matter who was playing

They might, but it sucks for the fans and students that they don't get to go, or get to go to all of them, as much as they probably would want to.

And speaking of Mobile, yeah, I was amazed at how many locals turned out for the GoDaddy bowl with Arky State and No Illinois this year. These people are starved for "FBS" football, which is why I'd keep an eye on South Alabama when they move up to D-1A.

The late kickoff time, and moving the game to a "school night" made it look bare in the second half, but that place was almost a sell out at kickoff.

[ozzie]

As far as other levels of college football I doubt there's such a fluctuation in talent between leagues as there is in the FBS.

Based on the names I always see there are clearly teams that get better players but I don't notice that any conference/league is superior to others.

In some of the lower tiers, say DIII, I think they play teams home and away so again in that scenario it can be easier to determine the better team if one sweeps.

DIII has a 32 team playoff, and the same two schools (Wisconsin-Whitewater and Mount Union) have met in the championship game every year for the last 7 years.

[underdog]

Its playoff football. if you put the games in the right place, they would fuckin sell out. Shit, you could play every single fuckin game in Mobile and they would prob all sell out no matter who was playing

I would play all the games in the ultimate neutral field, Wichita!

[Snoogans]

I would play all the games in the ultimate neutral field, Wichita!

WHAT A BEAUTIFUL WIND SWEPT MOONSCAPE.

They have a starbucks, right?

[cougarjake13]

DIII has a 32 team playoff, and the same two schools (Wisconsin-Whitewater and Mount Union) have met in the championship game every year for the last 7 years.



I doubt that would happen in this one but I get your point

[underdog]

WHAT A BEAUTIFUL WIND SWEPT MOONSCAPE.

They have a starbucks, right?

:lol:

[Snoogans]

:lol:

dude i seriously cry laughing when i read that shit. Peter King is so bad. He has set the high bar for awfulness.


Dare I say his awfulness is LOFTY........maybe

[underdog]

dude i seriously cry laughing when i read that shit. Peter King is so bad. He has set the high bar for awfulness.


Dare I say his awfulness is LOFTY........maybe

The Fun With Peter King from like two weeks ago was amazing, when Drew was just losing his shit. "STOP SAYING EVERYTHING IS INTERESTING."

You know what? I QUIT. That’s it. No more. I can’t take this shit. All these “I thinks” and “maybes” are killing my will to live. I don’t want to do this anymore. This is not Fun With Peter King. This is AGONY with Peter King. I hate it.

[ozzie]

I doubt that would happen in this one but I get your point

I saw it in SI a few weeks ago. Pretty amazing that they put 32 teams into a single elimination bracket every year, and the same two teams have met for seven straight years.

AND, they've split those games 4 - 3.

But, yeah, point was that no one in DIII is bitching about the need for the other 30 schools to be included, even though there's two obvious #1 and #2 teams recently.

Same point I was trying to make with D-1A basketball and baseball. Sure, most mid-majors don't have much of a chance, and other "BCS" schools who don't make the cut could beat the shit out of most of those minor schools who get in just by winning the "Horizon League" or whatever... but every school has "hope", and when one does pull an upset, it makes it all the more interesting.

Oh, and those players in DIII, DII and D-1AA football are student athletes too, but I guess the NCAA isn't worried about their education? Such a stupid argument. Just stop already.

[ozzie]

Sounds like the meeting yesterday went well...

College football leaders, including Big Ten commissioner and staunch playoff opponent Jim Delany, are open to considering the idea of turning the Bowl Championship Series into a four-team playoff. (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7449725/conferernce-commissioners-open-making-big-bcs-changes)

"A new BCS format must be in place before the fall when television negotiations with ESPN open. The BCS is in the middle of a four-year deal with ESPN that runs through the 2014 season."

Not sure if that means it could be in place for next season? Or they'd have to decide by the fall, before they negotiate with ESPN, to get it in place after the current contract runs out.

[ozzie]

Ha ha... near the end of the game, Musburger says, "Nick Saban is going to make the Alabama fans start asking ... Bear Who?"

They're still not letting that one go.

He might wanna think about putting security cameras on the trees on his property.

[CountryBob]

Ha ha... near the end of the game, Musburger says, "Nick Saban is going to make the Alabama fans start asking ... Bear Who?"

They're still not letting that one go.

He might wanna think about putting security cameras on the trees on his property.

Everytime Musburger said"Honey Badger" I wanted to punch a puppy in the face.

He is too old to be acting so hip

[sailor]

Ozzie, sounds to me like that would be part of their NEXT espn deal, not in place for next year.

[ozzie]

Everytime Musburger said"Honey Badger" I wanted to punch a puppy in the face.

He is too old to be acting so hip

Ha ha... he even tried to use a line from the video at one point, saying "honey badger don't care"... thankfully, he caught himself before trying to do it in the narrator's voice.

The guys doing the rose bowl got caught up in it too. They were talking about De’Anthony Thomas being called "the black mamba", and wondering how he'd fare if he faced the Honey Badger.

Then you could tell they immediately got uncomfortable referring to an "african-american" and a "black mamba", without knowing where the nickname came from... and just kinda stammered their way out of it, and back to calling the game.

No one wants to go down like Howard Cosell. "...that little monkey gets loose doesn't he?"

[underdog]

Everytime Musburger said"Honey Badger" I wanted to punch a puppy in the face.

He is too old to be acting so hip

Chronicling Brent Musburger’s "Honey Badger" Obsession: A Video Compilation (http://deadspin.com/5874677/chronicling-brent-musburgers-honey-badger-obsession-a-video-compilation)

[CountryBob]

Chronicling Brent Musburger’s "Honey Badger" Obsession: A Video Compilation (http://deadspin.com/5874677/chronicling-brent-musburgers-honey-badger-obsession-a-video-compilation)

I just feel like hiding under my desk now - so douchy!

[Snoogans]

The Fun With Peter King from like two weeks ago was amazing, when Drew was just losing his shit. "STOP SAYING EVERYTHING IS INTERESTING."

im really starting to think PK does it for Drew. when i used to read it, it would be like half as much dipshit stuff. Every week its like there is more and more.


Im so happy you read that shit. Now i can drop Citrus and nutmeg references all over the board

[Snoogans]

Ozzie, sounds to me like that would be part of their NEXT espn deal, not in place for next year.

yea, just the plan has to be in place to know how its gonna work. it wont start then

[JimBeam]

I just feel like hiding under my desk now - so douchy!

And that dude had an awful game.

Got burnt on a long pass to set up an early score.

Missed the tackle on the fake FG ( which I still don't know how Miles didn't see that coming a mile away ).

Then later on poo-pooed a takle which resulted in a few more yards.

5th place form the Heisman my butt.

[Snoogans]

And that dude had an awful game.

Got burnt on a long pass to set up an early score.

Missed the tackle on the fake FG ( which I still don't know how Miles didn't see that coming a mile away ).

Then later on poo-pooed a takle which resulted in a few more yards.

5th place form the Heisman my butt.

didnt they actually bench him for awhile in the 2nd half?

[JimBeam]

But, yeah, point was that no one in DIII is bitching about the need for the other 30 schools to be included.

Of course not, because who would be listening ?

Plus there's not an $8 million payday at the end of their game.

but every school has "hope", and when one does pull an upset, it makes it all the more interesting.

So now you're hoping for a team to get lucky ?

It's not about the best team but about the luckiest, feel good story ?

I know the NCAA tournament is outrageossly popular but making it seem as though it's the perfect example of crowning a champion is lunacy.

Again I point to UConn last year.

Were they the best team or did they just get hot at the right time ?

How could the best team have come in 9th place in it's own league ?

So the results of their first 30+ games mean nothing and it's only how they finish that matters ?

[JimBeam]

didnt they actually bench him for awhile in the 2nd half?

I didn't notice that but it's possible.

He was running his mouth a lot for a guy that didn't do much of anything ( as was the case in LSU v Alabama Part 1 ).

[JimBeam]

I just recently got my SiriusXM back and I haven't heard that guy Bill King so far.

Do any of you guys know if he still does the show on what was the Rivals Radio channel ( if it's still around ) ?

Also that Paul Finebaum guy can be OK at times but I hate when he lets his callers through.

They are so awful.

[Snoogans]

I just recently got my SiriusXM back and I haven't heard that guy Bill King so far.

Do any of you guys know if he still does the show on what was the Rivals Radio channel ( if it's still around ) ?

Also that Paul Finebaum guy can be OK at times but I hate when he lets his callers through.

They are so awful.

isnt finebaum who that fuckin loon called to tell him about poisoning the trees?

[JimBeam]

Yeah. He's based out of Alabama somewhere I think.

Not a bad guy, knows his stuff but does some kinda wierd Jime Rome-esque thing were he lets the callers mock each other in prepared bits.

Truly bad radio when it happens.

[Snoogans]

Yeah. He's based out of Alabama somewhere I think.

Not a bad guy, knows his stuff but does some kinda wierd Jime Rome-esque thing were he lets the callers mock each other in prepared bits.

Truly bad radio when it happens.

here in NYC, we barely get college football talk on the radio. With the exception of ESPN radio on saturday during the season, where they bounce around with updates all day, no shows are dedicated to it and most of the shows only talk about it if rutgers doesnt something major or during BCS bowl time. Otherwise, no one around here really cares and we need to get back to talking about the important things like Mark Sanchez and the New York Yankees


we need an emoticon thats just a hand making a jerkoff motion. that woulda fit perfectly here

[JimBeam]

During the college season I do like the show with Mel Kipper but as you said it's gone once the season is over.

Freddie Jackson covers college football fairly well when it's that time of year.

[Snoogans]

During the college season I do like the show with Mel Kipper but as you said it's gone once the season is over.

Freddie Jackson covers college football fairly well when it's that time of year.

i think thats what it is here. Definately Freddie Jackson. I think they just syndicate that show all over on saturdays. But otherwise, we have nothing here

[underdog]

im really starting to think PK does it for Drew. when i used to read it, it would be like half as much dipshit stuff. Every week its like there is more and more.


Im so happy you read that shit. Now i can drop Citrus and nutmeg references all over the board

I just want everything played in Wichita. Is this too much to ask?

[JimBeam]

Yeah

On SiriusXM they used to have a show hosted by Jim Donnan which then lead into another show with Kipper and another guy which then went into Jackson's show.

But I think 1050 in this area only played the Kipper show.

[JimBeam]

And my bad, Freddie Coleman not Freddie Jackson.

[Snoogans]

And my bad, Freddie Coleman not Freddie Jackson.

whatever. i knew who you meant.

Who the fuck is freddy jackson? i dont know why i didnt notice it wasnt that.

[Snoogans]

I just want everything played in Wichita. Is this too much to ask?

what about Montclair? Can we get a couple games in Montclair? We can even bring in some of that good Hitler Coffee and put orange wedges in all our peronis

[CountryBob]

Who the fuck is freddy jackson?

This is your cousin Marvin, Marvin Berry!

[ozzie]

isnt finebaum who that fuckin loon called to tell him about poisoning the trees?

Yup. That's him.

Finebaum knows nothing about sports, whatsoever. Want to shut him up? Ask him an actual sports question, and listen to him deflect, or change the subject.

I can't believe that fucking show went "national". It's nothing but 4 hours of "hayseeds" calling in and talking about bama and auburn. They've got a list of "preferred callers" who have the "hotline" number. Most average or knowledgable fans can't even get through.

The rivals.com Main Board (not exactly the "pests", 4chan or Reddit, but they have their moments) even attempted a "take over" of the phone lines one day, and only 2 or 3 got through all afternoon, and with the delay, only part got on air. They filled the rest of the program with "guests" and their regular callers.

A few "regulars" are supposedly on the payroll. And, yeah, they try to call in and read off their crayon scribbled scripts of a "take" like the old Jim Rome callers, but it's usually just name calling and lame attacks based on stereotypes.

Paul Finebaum is a fucking troll. He knows radio, and how to stir up shit. He'll say anything to get a fucking reaction out of one side or another.

It used to be somewhat entertaining when he would play both sides against each other. But that all ended when bama fired Mike Shula. Finebaum is scared shitless of Saban, and losing his credentials and access to the program, so the whole format has become completely one sided.

I can only assume it went "national" for the novelty factor. When it was announced, it was assumed that he'd start taking calls from all over the country, and the show would become about all college sports from all over the country.

Nope. He didn't change a fucking thing. It's basically a radio version of a reality show where the rest of the country can tune in and laugh at the rednecks.

Please, I'm begging you... don't judge the entire state by the shit you hear on that fucking show. It's so goddamned embarrassing.

[ozzie]

Of course not, because who would be listening ?

Plus there's not an $8 million payday at the end of their game.



So now you're hoping for a team to get lucky ?

It's not about the best team but about the luckiest, feel good story ?

I know the NCAA tournament is outrageossly popular but making it seem as though it's the perfect example of crowning a champion is lunacy.

Again I point to UConn last year.

Were they the best team or did they just get hot at the right time ?

How could the best team have come in 9th place in it's own league ?

So the results of their first 30+ games mean nothing and it's only how they finish that matters ?

Fuck it. I give up. You're right. Every other level of every other sport is WRONG, and D-1A football is right.

You should present this to the NFL and explain to them why they're "lunatics" for letting the Broncos and Giants into the playoffs this year, and for that matter, why the "playoffs" themselves are a waste of time.

They should just let the Broncos and Giants play each other in Wichita for the "BEAUTIFUL WIND SWEPT MOONSCAPE" trophy, and give the Packers and Patriots 4 weeks to prepare to face each other in the superbowl.

[ozzie]

Again I point to UConn last year.

Were they the best team or did they just get hot at the right time ?

How could the best team have come in 9th place in it's own league ?

So the results of their first 30+ games mean nothing and it's only how they finish that matters ?

And, wait, weren't you the one that said winning your conference didn't mean anything?

Boise was more deserving than TCU in football, right? Because they got more votes?

So who gives a shit where UConn finished in their league, if the polls say they should be in, that's all that matters, right?

Pick a side already.

[Snoogans]

Fuck it. I give up. You're right. Every other level of every other sport is WRONG, and D-1A football is right.

You should present this to the NFL and explain to them why they're "lunatics" for letting the Broncos and Giants into the playoffs this year, and for that matter, why the "playoffs" themselves are a waste of time.

They should just let the Broncos and Giants play each other in Wichita for the "BEAUTIFUL WIND SWEPT MOONSCAPE" trophy, and give the Packers and Patriots 4 weeks to prepare to face each other in the superbowl.

please tell me you read Fun with Peter King and this wasnt just a reference to me and UD making jokes about it. ill seriously pepper the shit outta this place with little references if i know more than 2 of us read it.

[JimBeam]

And, wait, weren't you the one that said winning your conference didn't mean anything?

Boise was more deserving than TCU in football, right? Because they got more votes?

So who gives a shit where UConn finished in their league, if the polls say they should be in, that's all that matters, right?

Pick a side already.

I never said winning your league meant nothing. What I said was that not every league winner is deserving.

The point I made with Boise St over TCU was that if TCU lost 3 games yet they beat Boise St head to head it didn't mean that TCU should be higher.

My point about basketball not getting it right is that you can't say, without question, that a team that had 8 other teams in its own league gfinish ahead of it, was now better than 300+ teams including the ones which had beaten it all year.

It's just in no way a pure champion so why should college football follow it based on some notion that it it perfect ?

And the NFL argument is ludicrous.

A salary cap makes all things equal.

Don't even try and tell me that there's even a remotely similar comparison in college football.

Army in now way has the resources of Alabama yet the Green Bay Packers can compete with the NY Giants.

[ozzie]

please tell me you read Fun with Peter King and this wasnt just a reference to me and UD making jokes about it. ill seriously pepper the shit outta this place with little references if i know more than 2 of us read it.

I saw the comment about the Giants and Eagles playing in Wichita.

The moonscape thing I got from you.

Which week did he write that gem?

[Snoogans]

I saw the comment about the Giants and Eagles playing in Wichita.

The moonscape thing I got from you.

Which week did he write that gem?

he writes that shit all the time. Drew Magary from Deadspin writes for a site where he eviscerates PKs monday morning QB every week.

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/

its so fuckin awesome. But basically everytime PK pontificates about what would happen if they played neutral, its ALWAYS in witchita. And a few times he referred to Boston has having a beautiful wind swept moonscape one night. So drew always kills him on it.



Maybe

[underdog]

Lofty!

[ozzie]

he writes that shit all the time. Drew Magary from Deadspin writes for a site where he eviscerates PKs monday morning QB every week.

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/

its so fuckin awesome. But basically everytime PK pontificates about what would happen if they played neutral, its ALWAYS in witchita. And a few times he referred to Boston has having a beautiful wind swept moonscape one night. So drew always kills him on it.



Maybe

I've seen Drew use this line, but never saw the original PK quote that started it all.

[ozzie]

I never said winning your league meant nothing. What I said was that not every league winner is deserving.

The point I made with Boise St over TCU was that if TCU lost 3 games yet they beat Boise St head to head it didn't mean that TCU should be higher.

My point about basketball not getting it right is that you can't say, without question, that a team that had 8 other teams in its own league gfinish ahead of it, was now better than 300+ teams including the ones which had beaten it all year.

It's just in no way a pure champion so why should college football follow it based on some notion that it it perfect ?

And the NFL argument is ludicrous.

A salary cap makes all things equal.

Don't even try and tell me that there's even a remotely similar comparison in college football.

Army in now way has the resources of Alabama yet the Green Bay Packers can compete with the NY Giants.

First off... I should explain that I don't know you, and I'm really not trying to make any of this personal.

But since you seem to be the only one on here trying to defend the current system, my responses to you are basically what I would be screaming at the 11 conference commissioners (aka, the "BCS") if I thought they would listen. Sorry if they come off agressive or personal.

Instead of "JimBeam", I see that idiot "Jim Delany", and I see red.

"Having said that..."

Re: TCU / Boise. Snoogans system had Boise in because they were in the top-16. I argued that TCU not only beat them head to head, but also won that conference. Therefore, if "any" MWC team was going to be included, it should be TCU. And, yes, regardless of any non-conf losses.

Beyond that, please, name one other "real sport" that relies on VOTES or a poll to determine anything.

My point about the NFL was... imagine how retarded it would be if they adopted a fucking "poll" to determine which two teams made it to the superbowl.

Oh, and there's no "Monday Night Football" anymore. All the games are played on Sunday.

Now, the votes are due in by mid-day on Monday, and every Monday night, ESPN broadcast a "NFL Vote Show", and coaches and fans tuned in anxiously to see where they were ranked.

And further, lets imagine that there is no "red zone" channel, and most voters only have time after they watch their regional games on Sunday, and Sunday night, to see highlights, box scores and stats on the teams outside their "regional coverage" market. Basically, that there's no way, and not enough time, that they can really watch all 32 teams every week.

Well, except for nationally televised games, but only a couple of the divisions have contracts with those networks. Not all.

And lets assume that AFC West is crap, and the whole division is viewed as a joke. The rest of the divisions, eh, not bad, but nothing like the mighty NFC South.

Not only that, but in this fantasy, the NFC South has won the last 5 superbowls in a row, and they also have TV contracts with CBS and ESPN to broadcast their games, so more "harris poll voters" get to see them.

Oh yeah. Each team HAS to play everyone in their division, but they get to pick which other teams they play, and negotiate their own contracts to decide where (Wichita?), when, and who gets the proceeds.

Oh, and also, the superbowl money is split amongst all teams in the division from which the superbowl teams reside. Oh, and there's no salary cap.

Half the coaches in the league get a vote. And their final vote is public, and criticized.

Belichick doesn't have a vote, but Sean Payton does.

All of the NFC South coaches vote the Saints #1, and the Falcons #2. Payton puts the Patriots at #4 just to be a dick, even though most people are arguing whether the Falcons or Patriots are the second best team, and deserving to go to the superbowl.

In the end, the harris poll and coaches poll both agree that the Saints and Falcons should play, and ESPN promotes this divisional re-match as the game of the century.

The Patriots get to play the Packers in Wichita a week after the Broncos and Giants played their game, but for less money.

Now the NFC South is guaranteed a sixth consecutive superbowl championship. Those teams get more money, they attract more free agents, expand their stadiums, build luxury practice facilities and locker rooms. Hell, everyone wants to play for a NFC South team. There's a far better chance of making it to the superbowl, and the overall living and playing conditions are just way better than anywhere else.

Therefore... the cycle continues.

Kansas City bitches every year that there's no way they can compete. The Saints won't travel to KC to play them there. Their TV contract is shit, they can't charge as much for tickets and stuff, and they're constantly excluded from the superbowl, or even the BIG Wichita bowl with a decent payout. No one wants to play there because, let's be honest, KC is no Wichita, with their wind swept moonscapes and all.

Sure, every now and then an AFC North team gets voted in, and some of the other divisions do ok, and make it. But the NFC South is "the shit". And just because the Chiefs might fuck around and go undefeated one year, they don't get voted in because they didn't beat an NFC South team, and it's just assumed that the whole AFC West plays lesser competition, so a one loss Falcons team is just perceived to be better.


Now I know I'm being ridiculous, but c'mon man. Yet this is basically D-1A football as we've known it.

[CountryBob]

God Damn - you guys are really spending too much time on something you have no control over. Wow - great energy but just Wow!

[Snoogans]

God Damn - you guys are really spending too much time on something you have no control over. Wow - great energy but just Wow!

the thing is, none of us are really spending any time on it. Its not like we are sitting here thinkin of this shit. We already had our opinions and thoughts as fans of the sport, so it only takes like 2 or 3 minutes to type them all out

[cougarjake13]

First off... I should explain that I don't know you, and I'm really not trying to make any of this personal.

But since you seem to be the only one on here trying to defend the current system, my responses to you are basically what I would be screaming at the 11 conference commissioners (aka, the "BCS") if I thought they would listen. Sorry if they come off agressive or personal.

Instead of "JimBeam", I see that idiot "Jim Delany", and I see red.

"Having said that..."

Re: TCU / Boise. Snoogans system had Boise in because they were in the top-16. I argued that TCU not only beat them head to head, but also won that conference. Therefore, if "any" MWC team was going to be included, it should be TCU. And, yes, regardless of any non-conf losses.

Beyond that, please, name one other "real sport" that relies on VOTES or a poll to determine anything.

My point about the NFL was... imagine how retarded it would be if they adopted a fucking "poll" to determine which two teams made it to the superbowl.

Oh, and there's no "Monday Night Football" anymore. All the games are played on Sunday.

Now, the votes are due in by mid-day on Monday, and every Monday night, ESPN broadcast a "NFL Vote Show", and coaches and fans tuned in anxiously to see where they were ranked.

And further, lets imagine that there is no "red zone" channel, and most voters only have time after they watch their regional games on Sunday, and Sunday night, to see highlights, box scores and stats on the teams outside their "regional coverage" market. Basically, that there's no way, and not enough time, that they can really watch all 32 teams every week.

Well, except for nationally televised games, but only a couple of the divisions have contracts with those networks. Not all.

And lets assume that AFC West is crap, and the whole division is viewed as a joke. The rest of the divisions, eh, not bad, but nothing like the mighty NFC South.

Not only that, but in this fantasy, the NFC South has won the last 5 superbowls in a row, and they also have TV contracts with CBS and ESPN to broadcast their games, so more "harris poll voters" get to see them.

Oh yeah. Each team HAS to play everyone in their division, but they get to pick which other teams they play, and negotiate their own contracts to decide where (Wichita?), when, and who gets the proceeds.

Oh, and also, the superbowl money is split amongst all teams in the division from which the superbowl teams reside. Oh, and there's no salary cap.

Half the coaches in the league get a vote. And their final vote is public, and criticized.

Belichick doesn't have a vote, but Sean Payton does.

All of the NFC South coaches vote the Saints #1, and the Falcons #2. Payton puts the Patriots at #4 just to be a dick, even though most people are arguing whether the Falcons or Patriots are the second best team, and deserving to go to the superbowl.

In the end, the harris poll and coaches poll both agree that the Saints and Falcons should play, and ESPN promotes this divisional re-match as the game of the century.

The Patriots get to play the Packers in Wichita a week after the Broncos and Giants played their game, but for less money.

Now the NFC South is guaranteed a sixth consecutive superbowl championship. Those teams get more money, they attract more free agents, expand their stadiums, build luxury practice facilities and locker rooms. Hell, everyone wants to play for a NFC South team. There's a far better chance of making it to the superbowl, and the overall living and playing conditions are just way better than anywhere else.

Therefore... the cycle continues.

Kansas City bitches every year that there's no way they can compete. The Saints won't travel to KC to play them there. Their TV contract is shit, they can't charge as much for tickets and stuff, and they're constantly excluded from the superbowl, or even the BIG Wichita bowl with a decent payout. No one wants to play there because, let's be honest, KC is no Wichita, with their wind swept moonscapes and all.

Sure, every now and then an AFC North team gets voted in, and some of the other divisions do ok, and make it. But the NFC South is "the shit". And just because the Chiefs might fuck around and go undefeated one year, they don't get voted in because they didn't beat an NFC South team, and it's just assumed that the whole AFC West plays lesser competition, so a one loss Falcons team is just perceived to be better.


Now I know I'm being ridiculous, but c'mon man. Yet this is basically D-1A football as we've known it.

not at all ridiculous

pretty cool analogy

[ozzie]

God Damn - you guys are really spending too much time on something you have no control over. Wow - great energy but just Wow!

Yeah, like Snoogans said, this didn't just start this year.

For me, this started around January 2, 1984. The day after #5 Miami beat #1 Nebraska in the Orange bowl, and was named the "National Champion" over #3 Auburn.

I was only 15, still living outside of Cleveland, hadn't even set foot on Auburn's campus yet... and still knew this was total bullshit.

It was fans like us complaining that prompted the first "Bowl Coalition", and eventually the "BCS".

Both slight improvements to the old way, where #1 might not even have to play a ranked team in a bowl (see BYU 1984), but there's still room for improvement.

And based upon the meetings on Tuesday, the conference commissioners are listening.

And a lot of disgruntled fans have contacted congressmen trying to get a bill passed. Obama has even come out publicly and said he'd support a reform bill.

Gary Miller (R-CA) introduced H.R. 599 (http://bcsreform.org/images/TheBill.pdf), nicknamed "The Championship Fairness Act of 2009". It threatened to pull federal money from schools if they didn't adopt a "playoff system".

In it, a "playoff system" was defined as:

The term ‘‘playoff system’’ means a system by which the national championship game of the NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision is the final game of a single elimination post-season playoff system for which all NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision conferences and unaffiliated NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision teams are eligible.

Every year they piss off more and more fan bases, and every year it seems some other congressman is asked to try to push through another bill.

I'm not sure they'd ever really pass something like this... but then again, I never expected to see McGuire and Sosa sitting before a congressional hearing either.

[JimBeam]

Ozzie the thing your missing in your NFL v college comparison is talent.

There's no need for votes and polls because there are 32 teams playing under the same rules and with the same chances.

Each team plays the team in their own division twice, plays 2 other entire divisions and then also plays a few games against other teams based on how they performed the previous year.

So if the Rams and Colts suck 3 teams have gotten to play them both twice as have 10 other teams.

In college LSU plays Alabama and Arkansas while Houston plays UAB and USM.

It's not even remotely comparable.

I'm not at all saying the current system is perfect. I myself was against the thought of a team playing for a title when it didn't win it's conference ( OK and Nebraska both I believe ) but this year I could see why it shouldn't matter.

As you can tell I also don't subscribe to the fact that the NCAA tournament is the perfect system. Sure it works and is fair for the most part but my beef is that it probably really doesn't tell you who the best team is.

I said in earlier posts that if the Super Conference thing ever came about I'd be much more in favor of a playoff because it'd be that much closer to your NFL ideal in that the top 32 teams are closer to each other in the talent pool than are #1 and #117.

And of course I'm going to stick with my opinion because it's what I believe.

The current system is flawed but I wouldn't say it's broken.

Comparisons to other sports which have a much longer and deeper schedule which allow for weak teams to be weeded doesn't sell it for me.

Also the NCAA tournament relies on polls, computers and opinions as much as anything.

How else do you explain a 9th place conference team getting in ?

Somebody looked at the body of work and along with facts and figures they deemed they were better than the #3 team in another league.

College baseball's tournament, which I love as much as others love the basketball one, is also flawed in that the keeps it regional which to a point gives an unfair advantage to non-traditional ( read northern ) schools.

They'll keep LSU and UF in the same brackets, regardless of the fact that they might've been top teams, while they allow Seton Hall to stay in the same bracket as Sacred Heart.

So only one of LSU and UF can advance while both probably would if they played Seton Hall and Sacred Heart.

If it was all perfect there wouldn't be anything to debate.

[Snoogans]

And my Russel Wilson question has been answered. I guess he was never mentioned cause everyone just assumed he was going back to baseball after this season. Seems not:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7452336/russell-wilson-pursue-football-report-colorado-rockies-spring-training

Former Wisconsin quarterback Russell Wilson has notified the Colorado Rockies he is pursuing football and will not report to spring training.

Rockies general manager Dan O'Dowd said Thursday the team was informed Wilson won't be coming to camp. He said the Rockies had "no say in his personal choice," but the club wishes him the best as he pursues pro football.

Wilson will train with former NFL quarterback Chris Weinke, a source told ESPN's Joe Schad.

[JimBeam]

Did you guys hear that Bobby Hebert clip ?

I liked him when he was with the Saints but he's just an idiot.

I didn't hear it but I guess he said on The Herd that he's " forgotten more about football than Les Miles would ever know ".

What a douche.

I'm no fan of miles but I don;t wanna hear a lot of " 15 years in the NFL " crap from a guy that lost his job to John Fourcade and Steve Walsh.

[Snoogans]

Did you guys hear that Bobby Hebert clip ?

I liked him when he was with the Saints but he's just an idiot.

I didn't hear it but I guess he said on The Herd that he's " forgotten more about football than Les Miles would ever know ".

What a douche.

I'm no fan of miles but I don;t wanna hear a lot of " 15 years in the NFL " crap from a guy that lost his job to John Fourcade and Steve Walsh.

Bobby Hebert the guy that was on the saints for like 4 weeks?

Les Miles is garbage. The job he did coaching and failing to adjust against Bama was fuckin shameful. But i think Bobby Hebert had about as good of an NFL career as I did

[JimBeam]

Yes, that Bobby Hebert.

On Mike & Mike this morning he claimed to have 15 years of NFL experience but I can't remember him being around for that long unless he changed his name.

You didn't hear the rant he had the other night after the game ?

He was asking a post-game " question " and just went on this long diatribe.

I'll have to find a lnk to it.

[Snoogans]

Yes, that Bobby Hebert.

On Mike & Mike this morning he claimed to have 15 years of NFL experience but I can't remember him being around for that long unless he changed his name.

You didn't hear the rant he had the other night after the game ?

He was asking a post-game " question " and just went on this long diatribe.

I'll have to find a lnk to it.

i hope you find it. I cant wait to see this shit.


15 years? I bet he was like 3rd string emergency QB for some shit team for like 12 years.


Its a sad sad career when you werent half as important as fuckin Steve DeBerg

[cougarjake13]

And my Russel Wilson question has been answered. I guess he was never mentioned cause everyone just assumed he was going back to baseball after this season. Seems not:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7452336/russell-wilson-pursue-football-report-colorado-rockies-spring-training


What's weinke gonna do ?

Train him to be a horrible nfl backup qb?

[ozzie]

Bobby Hebert the guy that was on the saints for like 4 weeks?

Les Miles is garbage. The job he did coaching and failing to adjust against Bama was fuckin shameful. But i think Bobby Hebert had about as good of an NFL career as I did

How, I say, how dare you disgrace the good name of Bobby Hebert, sir! I challenge thee to a duel!

/silly-southern-cajun-voice

Hebert became a "GOD" in New Orleans when he lead that crappy team to their first playoffs in the 80's.

He was "one of their own", from Baton Rouge... went to Northwestern State... and now, taking their " aints" to the NFL playoffs? Archie Manning couldn't even do that!!!

I had the misfortune of being in that city for the 1/1/88 Sugar Bowl, just a couple of days before they were hosting their first ever playoff game... and that place had gone "Who Dat" crazy.

He had more than a cup of coffee in the NFL, but yeah, he and that other loudmouth Hokie Gajan try to come off sounding like they both know more about football than anyone, and if the Saints would only listen to their lousy pre-game radio show, they'd be undefeated every year.

[Snoogans]

What's weinke gonna do ?

Train him to be a horrible nfl backup qb?

Weinke actually works at this major training center in florida. He works with ALOT of guys. He worked with cam newton for like 2 months before the draft last year.

Basically he just teaches them what to expect in the NFL, how things work, helps with mechanics and other shit. Its a pretty cool program they run, they had a big thing about it on ESPN U one day before last years draft. They have like 15 ex players working at the place

[JimBeam]

http://http://video-embed.nola.com/services/player/bcpid619329503001?bctid=1379061036001

[ozzie]

i hope you find it. I cant wait to see this shit.


15 years? I bet he was like 3rd string emergency QB for some shit team for like 12 years.


Its a sad sad career when you werent half as important as fuckin Steve DeBerg

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The funniest part is that after rambling at Leslie for a while, the moderator has to jump in and ask him, "Do you have a question?"

[JimBeam]

How, I say, how dare you disgrace the good name of Bobby Hebert, sir! I challenge thee to a duel!

/silly-southern-cajun-voice

Hebert became a "GOD" in New Orleans when he lead that crappy team to their first playoffs in the 80's.

He was "one of their own", from Baton Rouge... went to Northwestern State... and now, taking their " aints" to the NFL playoffs? Archie Manning couldn't even do that!!!

I had the misfortune of being in that city for the 1/1/88 Sugar Bowl, just a couple of days before they were hosting their first ever playoff game... and that place had gone "Who Dat" crazy.

He had more than a cup of coffee in the NFL, but yeah, he and that other loudmouth Hokie Gajan try to come off sounding like they both know more about football than anyone, and if the Saints would only listen to their lousy pre-game radio show, they'd be undefeated every year.

He was actually a serviceable QB for them for a little while but mostly because of their defense and running game which kept them in games.

Him holding out on the Saints in 1990 probably helped the future Dallas dynasty as they traded a bunch of picks for Steve Walsh.

[cougarjake13]

i hope you find it. I cant wait to see this shit.


15 years? I bet he was like 3rd string emergency QB for some shit team for like 12 years.


Its a sad sad career when you werent half as important as fuckin Steve DeBerg



Saints 85 - 92
Falcons 93 - 96

That's only 12 yrs so he must be counting his usfl time as nfl
where he played from 83 - 85

[JimBeam]

The funniest part is that after rambling at Leslie for a while, the moderator has to jump in and ask him, "Do you have a question?"

Yeah I loved that part.

Apparently Hebert's son, who was on the O-line, didn't start in Monday's game.

Listening to Bobby talk the kid was LSU's best lineman and lead the team in " knock downs " and having a drunk for a dad.

[JimBeam]

Saints 85 - 92
Falcons 93 - 96

That's only 12 yrs so he must be counting his usfl time as nfl
where he played from 83 - 85

I'm not one to defend Miles but playing in the USFL, and even in the NFL, doesn't really make you qualified to coach a team.

[Snoogans]

How, I say, how dare you disgrace the good name of Bobby Hebert, sir! I challenge thee to a duel!

/silly-southern-cajun-voice

Hebert became a "GOD" in New Orleans when he lead that crappy team to their first playoffs in the 80's.

He was "one of their own", from Baton Rouge... went to Northwestern State... and now, taking their " aints" to the NFL playoffs? Archie Manning couldn't even do that!!!

I had the misfortune of being in that city for the 1/1/88 Sugar Bowl, just a couple of days before they were hosting their first ever playoff game... and that place had gone "Who Dat" crazy.

He had more than a cup of coffee in the NFL, but yeah, he and that other loudmouth Hokie Gajan try to come off sounding like they both know more about football than anyone, and if the Saints would only listen to their lousy pre-game radio show, they'd be undefeated every year.

please. You take Bobby Hebert. Ill run my team with Billy Joe Toliver and i guarantee we pound your bums into the ground

[cougarjake13]

Weinke actually works at this major training center in florida. He works with ALOT of guys. He worked with cam newton for like 2 months before the draft last year.

Basically he just teaches them what to expect in the NFL, how things work, helps with mechanics and other shit. Its a pretty cool program they run, they had a big thing about it on ESPN U one day before last years draft. They have like 15 ex players working at the place

Wow didn't know it was like that I thought it was just a one on one thing

[Snoogans]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/hpKW6AlaJJw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The funniest part is that after rambling at Leslie for a while, the moderator has to jump in and ask him, "Do you have a question?"

jesus christ, shut the fuck up

[Snoogans]

Wow didn't know it was like that I thought it was just a one on one thing

if i remember right the place is in Bradenton, but im not sure on that

[ozzie]

i hope you find it. I cant wait to see this shit.


15 years? I bet he was like 3rd string emergency QB for some shit team for like 12 years.


Its a sad sad career when you werent half as important as fuckin Steve DeBerg

1983 and 1984 in the USFL (Lead the Panthers to the title in '83, which was a pretty big upset for that crappy league)

'85 - '89 with the Saints

He didn't play in '90. I think he held out because of his contract? (Again, showing his arrogance and his idea of his own self worth)

Back with the Saints in '91 - '92

Last 4 years with the Falcons.

Except for '94 and '95, and barring injuries, he was the starter most other years.


So... 15 years in the NFL? Nope.

Not even 15 years as a "pro".

[ozzie]

Yeah I loved that part.

Apparently Hebert's son, who was on the O-line, didn't start in Monday's game.

Listening to Bobby talk the kid was LSU's best lineman and lead the team in " knock downs " and having a drunk for a dad.

If it weren't for Tennessee having 13 players on the field, the rest of the country would probably have known who "T-BOB HEBERT" (#53 LSU center) was last year.

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[JimBeam]

Hebert also slipped in on M&M how if his son hadn't made that play that they would have lost the game.

[ozzie]

if i remember right the place is in Bradenton, but im not sure on that

Yeah, he's at that huge IMG Institute down there.

Cam went down there with his playbook after he was drafted, and while they were locked out. Weinke worked with him a lot on and off the field. It was a helluva lot better than Cam just trying to sit and learn that shit on his own. They even ran Panthers plays and stuff with whatever they could grab for WR's, and did a lot of 7 on 7 drills.

I still say someone's going to get a steal in a later round when they take Wilson.

[ozzie]

Hebert also slipped in on M&M how if his son hadn't made that play that they would have lost the game.

Depends on how you look at it, I guess. I immediately blamed the whole thing on Jefferson and Miles, and kinda agreed that "t bob" (I hate even typing that) did the right thing in looking at the clock and at least getting a snap off before time expired.

But, it didn't exactly hit Jefferson in the chest, and there was still a second for Jefferson to look at the center and call for the snap when he was ready, I guess.

Either way, if there's no penalty, and they lose to UT, that play would have been discussed and disected ad nauseum.

Hell, it still is in some circles.

And I hate having to try to even think about choosing a side between Miles and Hebert.

Can't I just hate them both?

[ozzie]

Ozzie the thing your missing in your NFL v college comparison is talent.

There's no need for votes and polls because there are 32 teams playing under the same rules and with the same chances.

Each team plays the team in their own division twice, plays 2 other entire divisions and then also plays a few games against other teams based on how they performed the previous year...



That's why I had to create my own, bizzarro NFL league. It was just proving how utterly strange it would be.

But I'm still curious why the NFL playoff format is just universally accepted, without much challenge really, when it leaves the possibility that some 7 - 9 (or worse) team from a weak division can get in over a much stronger team from another?

It's accepted because, well, that's the "RULE". Well, what if that was the "RULE" in D-1A college football?

And a while back you asked who the #4 team in a "plus one" would have been this year.

Well did the AFC really have 6 teams that "deserved" to be in the playoffs this year? Or do they just have a formula that fills in those 6 slots every year?

And, look, I know that on MOST years the Sun Belt isn't going to produce a true contender. But under this system, they're also doomed to stay a crap conference strictly because of the disparity in how TV contracts and bowl money are done with individual conferences.

And, yes, my passion for this was re-kindled in 2004, for obvious reasons.

Auburn got shafted because of where they started in the pre-season poll. Period.

Oklahoma and USC went wire to wire as #1 and #2. No other school that was not on their schedule had a legitimate shot at un-seeding them. Even IF AU had beaten a Penn State or someone in a non-conference game, it might have helped in the computers, but I just don't think the human polls were ever going to unseat those two.

Now, just 7 years later, not only does the SEC champ pretty much guarantee a spot in the MNC, but they've got so much clout that they can get in two?

2005 not many complained about USC v Texas, so the "playoff" movement died down.

But we were like >< this close to them shoving an OSU v Michigan re-match down our throats the next year. And if it had come off, no one really would have ever known that neither of those teams was as good as Florida or USC. The espn heads would have repeated the company line that one of them won "the game of the century part II", and was the undisputed champ by beating the other.

The next year... total fucking chaos at the end. I thought, wow, they're jumping a #7, TWO Loss LSU team all the way up into the MNC game. Surely, THIS will prompt change!

Hell no. Not a word. Most don't even remember how much shit happened those last two weeks. All they remember is "LSU MNC's 2007!!!"

But back then... after AU in '04, UF almost getting shut out in '06, and the SEC really SHOULD have been shut out in '07... I was actually for a playoff system to PROTECT the SEC.

See, the other way to look at this is, now that the country has this perception that the SEC is the strongest conference... what happens if there's just major parity in that league next year?

What if the SEC champ has 2 conference losses next year, while Oklahoma and USC go undefeated? And just to complicate things... let's say by season's end, there are no ranked teams left in the Big 12 or Pac 12.

Are we really going to say that, let's say bama, losing to top-10 LSU on the road, and my beloved Auburn Tigers, also top-10 (I can dream, can't I?), but winning the SEC, doesn't deserve a shot? Knowing that this conference has not lost a BCS championship game, ever?

Something has to change. And, yes, to protect all conferences, big and small. That's why I continue to advocate a system that just puts them all in by "rule", but also makes sure any solid #2 from a major conference still has a chance as well, because some of the tie-breakers they use also boil down to "poll" position, which is still bullshit.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, he's at that huge IMG Institute down there.

Cam went down there with his playbook after he was drafted, and while they were locked out. Weinke worked with him a lot on and off the field. It was a helluva lot better than Cam just trying to sit and learn that shit on his own. They even ran Panthers plays and stuff with whatever they could grab for WR's, and did a lot of 7 on 7 drills.

I still say someone's going to get a steal in a later round when they take Wilson.

ive been sayin this for awhile. I know he is small, and i think thats why no one really is talkin him up. that and it wasnt til today they knew he would even be in the draft. Im afraid he will never get the chance at QB since i think some team will try to slash him (kordell slash) but i think he could actually be a pretty good QB in the NFL the way things are now

[ozzie]

Mark Emmert says yes to 4-team playoff (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7457227/ncaa-president-mark-emmert-says-back-4-team-bcs-football-playoff)

"The notion of having a Final Four approach is probably a sound one," Emmert said when asked what he heard coming out of New Orleans this week. "Moving toward a 16-team playoff is highly problematic because I think that's too much to ask a young man's body to do. It's too many games, it intrudes into the school year and, of course, it would probably necessitate a complete end to the bowl system that so many people like now."

What a fucking hypocrite!

The NCAA fucking RUNS a 32 team playoff for DIII, a 24 team playoff for DII, and a 20 team playoff for D1-AA.

But the sensitive D-1A players would perish if they played more than two rounds??? And THEIR education is more important?

Why the hell isn't this point ever brought up?

The only quote that has any merit is the last one, but if he was honest, he'd say "and, of course, it would probably necessitate a complete end to the bowl system that so many people [WHO HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN] like now"

A. Why would they have to end? They hold them NOW while they don't mean anything, and there is a "2 team playoff" at the end. Why couldn't you still hand out poulan weedeater trophies while others played in a 4, 8 or more team "playoff"?

B. If they are replaced by a bunch of "play in" games like the lower divisions have, what have you really lost?

I don't hate the bowl games. I've watched them my whole life, and almost every damn one again this year. I just love watching college football period.

But I hate that this asshole tries to come off like he's fighting this for "the fans".

[JimBeam]

Player kicked out of school for Twitter posts.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/7484495/yuri-wright-twitter-posts-cost-college-scholarship

I wonder what he wrote.

[underdog]

Player kicked out of school for Twitter posts.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/7484495/yuri-wright-twitter-posts-cost-college-scholarship

I wonder what he wrote.

here you go (http://www.chatsports.com/michigan-wolverines/a/Yuri-Wrights-tweets-are-why-Michigan-stopped-recruiting-him-10-2-1807)

[cougarjake13]

That's why I had to create my own, bizzarro NFL league. It was just proving how utterly strange it would be.

But I'm still curious why the NFL playoff format is just universally accepted, without much challenge really, when it leaves the possibility that some 7 - 9 (or worse) team from a weak division can get in over a much stronger team from another?

It's accepted because, well, that's the "RULE". Well, what if that was the "RULE" in D-1A college football?

And a while back you asked who the #4 team in a "plus one" would have been this year.

Well did the AFC really have 6 teams that "deserved" to be in the playoffs this year? Or do they just have a formula that fills in those 6 slots every year?

And, look, I know that on MOST years the Sun Belt isn't going to produce a true contender. But under this system, they're also doomed to stay a crap conference strictly because of the disparity in how TV contracts and bowl money are done with individual conferences.

And, yes, my passion for this was re-kindled in 2004, for obvious reasons.

Auburn got shafted because of where they started in the pre-season poll. Period.

Oklahoma and USC went wire to wire as #1 and #2. No other school that was not on their schedule had a legitimate shot at un-seeding them. Even IF AU had beaten a Penn State or someone in a non-conference game, it might have helped in the computers, but I just don't think the human polls were ever going to unseat those two.

Now, just 7 years later, not only does the SEC champ pretty much guarantee a spot in the MNC, but they've got so much clout that they can get in two?

2005 not many complained about USC v Texas, so the "playoff" movement died down.

But we were like >< this close to them shoving an OSU v Michigan re-match down our throats the next year. And if it had come off, no one really would have ever known that neither of those teams was as good as Florida or USC. The espn heads would have repeated the company line that one of them won "the game of the century part II", and was the undisputed champ by beating the other.

The next year... total fucking chaos at the end. I thought, wow, they're jumping a #7, TWO Loss LSU team all the way up into the MNC game. Surely, THIS will prompt change!

Hell no. Not a word. Most don't even remember how much shit happened those last two weeks. All they remember is "LSU MNC's 2007!!!"

But back then... after AU in '04, UF almost getting shut out in '06, and the SEC really SHOULD have been shut out in '07... I was actually for a playoff system to PROTECT the SEC.

See, the other way to look at this is, now that the country has this perception that the SEC is the strongest conference... what happens if there's just major parity in that league next year?

What if the SEC champ has 2 conference losses next year, while Oklahoma and USC go undefeated? And just to complicate things... let's say by season's end, there are no ranked teams left in the Big 12 or Pac 12.

Are we really going to say that, let's say bama, losing to top-10 LSU on the road, and my beloved Auburn Tigers, also top-10 (I can dream, can't I?), but winning the SEC, doesn't deserve a shot? Knowing that this conference has not lost a BCS championship game, ever?

Something has to change. And, yes, to protect all conferences, big and small. That's why I continue to advocate a system that just puts them all in by "rule", but also makes sure any solid #2 from a major conference still has a chance as well, because some of the tie-breakers they use also boil down to "poll" position, which is still bullshit.


Up until recently it wasn't really a problem with 7-9 team winning divisions

[weekapaugjz]

here you go (http://www.chatsports.com/michigan-wolverines/a/Yuri-Wrights-tweets-are-why-Michigan-stopped-recruiting-him-10-2-1807)

i could see how a college might pull a scholarship from a kid like this, because it's not the type of personality/character they want at their program, but how the fuck do you get suspended from high school for saying you wanna get pussy on a twitter account?

[underdog]

i could see how a college might pull a scholarship from a kid like this, because it's not the type of personality/character they want at their program, but how the fuck do you get suspended from high school for saying you wanna get pussy on a twitter account?

Catholic High School.

[weekapaugjz]

Catholic High School.

ah. makes sense then.

[Snoogans]

i could see how a college might pull a scholarship from a kid like this, because it's not the type of personality/character they want at their program, but how the fuck do you get suspended from high school for saying you wanna get pussy on a twitter account?

He went to Don Bosco, a private catholic HS. They tell you when you start that shit you do online and out of school can get you kicked out. I dont think the priests liked his tweets too much

It also happens to be the #1 ranked HS for football in the country for the last 2 years, so they kinda let the football program run itself. I think the coach threw him off. He was ranked 7th at his pos and 40th overall and rutgers pulled his visit cause of this, so its a pretty big deal i guess

[cougarjake13]

Espn is reporting that joe paternity is on his death bed and summoned his family to be by his side

[Snacks]

Espn is reporting that joe paternity is on his death bed and summoned his family to be by his side

yeah it sounds bad. i just read the family has a press conf scheduled for 7.

[disneyspy]

yeah it sounds bad. i just read the family has a press conf scheduled for 7.

better call your mom

[weekapaugjz]

Espn is reporting that joe paternity is on his death bed and summoned his family to be by his side

does this really need to be part of the article about a man seemingly about to die?

But his legacy was clouded in the wake of a sexual abuse scandal that has resulted in 52 counts of child molestation against Sandusky. Paterno had announced his retirement early on Nov. 9, but the Penn State board of trustees fired him and university president Graham Spanier about 12 hours later.

stay classy espn

[underdog]

better call your mom

:lol::lol::lol:

[weekapaugjz]

:lol::lol::lol:

yeah, disneyspy actually making me laugh. better mark that down.