2011 College Football Thread

[CountryBob]

I love seeing nipple's poking through

[Dell]

I love seeing nipple's poking through

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sicko

[JimBeam]

I can't believe you guys didn't get the Stanford/USC game.

It was Herbstreit/Mussburger so I'd have thought that was the " national " game.

[ozzie]

I can't believe you guys didn't get the Stanford/USC game.

It was Herbstreit/Mussburger so I'd have thought that was the " national " game.

As it should have been.

But, nope. We're just dumb ole suh'thuh'nuhs... of course we don't care 'bout none of them thar callyforny teams... we'd rathah see two schools from thuh ol' confedracy playin', then any of them thar yankee teams.

I'm not hating on the Clemson/Ga Tech game. It was a good match up, and a good game, that had MNC implications. But there's other fucking time slots and plenty of other channels available to show them all.

Fuck Regional Coverage.

And the fucking NFL is no better. Every goddammed week it's Falcons, Saints, Jags, Titans...

I get that the Atlanta Fox affilliate should carry the Falcons game. But why the hell do you have to lump the rest of the southeast in with them? Why assume that the rest of us would only be interested in the closest geographically located team?

It's fucking insulting.

[cougarjake13]

As it should have been.

But, nope. We're just dumb ole suh'thuh'nuhs... of course we don't care 'bout none of them thar callyforny teams... we'd rathah see two schools from thuh ol' confedracy playin', then any of them thar yankee teams.

I'm not hating on the Clemson/Ga Tech game. It was a good match up, and a good game, that had MNC implications. But there's other fucking time slots and plenty of other channels available to show them all.

Fuck Regional Coverage.

And the fucking NFL is no better. Every goddammed week it's Falcons, Saints, Jags, Titans...

I get that the Atlanta Fox affilliate should carry the Falcons game. But why the hell do you have to lump the rest of the southeast in with them? Why assume that the rest of us would only be interested in the closest geographically located team?

It's fucking insulting.

its the same here

bucs ( when not blacked out ) , dolphins and jags

[disneyspy]

stupid announcers want to know how the hell can michigans defense be so much better this year? dick rod is gone dummies

[sailor]

penn state sexual assault scandal. (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7200340/joe-paterno-penn-state-nittany-lions-says-true-were-all-fooled)

[KnoxHarrington]

penn state sexual assault scandal. (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7200340/joe-paterno-penn-state-nittany-lions-says-true-were-all-fooled)

I don't know about you, but if I'm at work and I catch someone touching a kid there, I'm not going to my supervisor or HR. I'm calling the fucking cops.

This is such bullshit, and I hope it helps tear down the image of "Joe Pa" as a shining pure arbiter of what is right.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Curley and Schwartz resign. Good.

They should have done this YESTERDAY.

[KnoxHarrington]

This Penn State shit gets sicker and sicker.

A former Penn State assistant football coach accused of sexually abusing boys operated a series of youth sports camps at a satellite campus for six years after he was prohibited from taking youths onto the school's main campus by the athletics director and the senior vice president, who have been charged with failing to tell police about him.
The ban against Jerry Sandusky was imposed in 2002, the year a graduate student claimed to see him assault a child in a locker room shower. But Sandusky held summer football camps through his Sandusky Associates company at the satellite campus just outside Erie from 2000 to 2008, Penn State Behrend spokesman Bill Gonda said.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/11/07/penn.st.sandusky.ran.camps.ap/index.html#ixzz1d5SivSfp

Holy shit.

[CountryBob]

Big game Thursday night between my VT Hokies and Ga Tech. Crazy to think that UVA (along with VT and GA TEch) controls their own destiny to win their side of the conference.

If VT wins out. It will be a major accomplishment due to all of the injuries they have had and a brand new QB.

Let see what happens.....

[A.J.]

Man it must really suck to be the Voice of the Baltimore Ravens right now. (http://www.wbaltv.com/station/787537/detail.html)

[Dude!]

Curley and Schwartz resign. Good.

They should have done this YESTERDAY.

oh come on...
if you were confronted with
a naked 10-year-old boy in the shower
you'd probably do the same thing

[Snoogans]

the more i hear about this the sicker i get. Lupica just made the point i been making. How does the coach who caught him fuckin a 10 year old in the shower not beat the fuck outta him right there on the spot? Thats exactly what I woulda done.

I really wanna fuckin kill Sandusky

[joeyballsack]

the more i hear about this the sicker i get. Lupica just made the point i been making. How does the coach who caught him fuckin a 10 year old in the shower not beat the fuck outta him right there on the spot? Thats exactly what I woulda done.

I really wanna fuckin kill Sandusky

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the dude offs himself.

Do the right thing for once in your life Sandusky.

[KnoxHarrington]

Sandusky might have touched more kids than early reports indicated.

As disturbing details continue to emerge about the alleged sexual abuse scandal at Penn State University, Philadelphia’s Fox 29 is reporting that the number of victims of accused abuser Jerry Sandusky could be “closer to twenty”.

There were eight victims named in the grand jury charges, but Fox 29 cites sources claiming that number has “more than doubled” since state officials offered call-in numbers for past victims. State officials had specifically hoped to hear from the victim who was reportedly assaulted by Sandusky in an 2002 incident allegedly observed by a graduate assistant with the team. There was no word if that particular victim was one of those who had come forward.

Penn State must not be allowed to pussy out and let Paterno gracefully "retire" at the end of the season. He should be gone before Saturday's game. And so should their President.

http://tracking.si.com/2011/11/08/report-number-of-victims-in-jerry-sandusky-sex-abuse-case-closer-to-twenty/?sct=hp_t11_a5&eref=sihp

[spoon]

how can anyone argue against it

he needs to be gone

[spoon]

These might be MORE offensive


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[cougarjake13]

These might be MORE offensive


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why ?

[cougarjake13]

Man it must really suck to be the Voice of the Baltimore Ravens right now. (http://www.wbaltv.com/station/787537/detail.html)

time to break out the middle name or if worse enough use your mothers maiden or wifes maiden

[ozzie]

Is it just me... or do these Tuesday night MAC games on ESPN seem fixed, trying to create a "buzz" for their conference?

Last week Northern Illinois scores with 19 seconds left to win 63 - 60 over Toledo. 1,121 total yards of offense.

Last night, Toledo beats Western Michigan 66 - 63. Another 1,439 yards of offense.

Next week is Ball State at Northern Illinois. If they both score 60+ again, I'm calling shenanigans!

[KnoxHarrington]

Penn State's president....FIRED

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=nfp-20111109_report_penn_state_president_will_be_gone_ by_end_of_day

With news that longtime head football coach Joe Paterno plans to retire at the end of this season, Penn State president Graham Spanier will either resign or be voted out by the board of trustees by the end of the day, according to The Express-Times.

The school's executive vice president and provost Rodney A. Erickson is likely to serve as interim president while a nationwide search for a permanent replacement gets underway.

[spoon]

Paterno too

[disneyspy]

C'MON TCU!

man

[Kevin]

C'MON TCU!

man

Shakes head...

[disneyspy]

YES! TCU SCORES! boise state doesnt belong in BCS consideration

[disneyspy]

i loved that TCU went for 2 and made it to go up by one,bullshit flag,missed the FG and BOISE STATE LOSES!! YES!!

[JimBeam]

That pass interference call was more of a sham than the last 5 years of people talking about Boise St as a national title contender.

[JimBeam]

Fuckin' Lou Holtz said 2 of the dumbest things ever when arguing that Oregon is the better 1 loss team over Alabama ( Mark May's choice ).

First he was making the case for Oregon based on how they ALMOST won the championship game last year. Even if they returned the same 22 starters that wouldn't have made sense seeing that almost doesn't count for shit. Since they ALMOST beat one SEC team they have since gotten blown out by another SEC team.

Then when he was going on about their offense and how " nobody in the country wants to play them " ( to which May stated " Nobody wants to play Alabama either. " ) May said that defenses always have won championships and Holtz replied that Alabama has no offense. Too bad they didn't have an offense in '92 when they killed Miami.

He also made a silly point how Alabama lost at home and although Oregon lost on a neutral field that since Dallas is closer to Baton Rouge than Oregon it was more home to LSU. That point would've had some validity if the game was in New Orelans.

[Tenbatsuzen]

4 years ago, Paul Rhoads blew up the closest shot WVU had at a national championship.

Tonight, he blew up another team's shot.

Ugly.

[Jayw]

Fuck boone county sheriffs. And MUPD.

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Glad that SEC invite was official.

But to be honest what kind of shit is that initial test. I tried doing it sober and got bored as fuck. That cop was star struck as fuck, what test do you want to do sir pinkel. fucking dickbag. Too bad he didnt get pulled over by columbia PD, they woulda hooked it up. Those dudes gave me a break on some shit that could of buried me after MUPD acted like some bored homos.

[joeyballsack]

The initial test is a HGN test - horizontal gaze nystagmus and I am not sure why you would do it sober.

It tests your ability to track an object with your eyes. When sober your eyes track the object smoothly, when drunk the eyes will jerk or bounce as they track an object. It's a pretty good way to get an initial assessment of how intoxicated someone is.

[disneyspy]

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[disneyspy]

better video,cracked me up

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[spoon]

and truly, who really cares?

fine time

[spoon]

y is psu going for it?

[spoon]

stupid


hmmmm, u couldn't get a fucking yard on 3 tries, so let's throw away what would have been a two score lead and fuck this up

yah, and the abc crew was all for it! WTF is wrong with people now? instead of 23-14 and up NINE, they are up just 6 and lost the ball. I hope they lose bc of this and so much more. Fucking Atlanta type call there.

[spoon]

psu should be up 9 right now killing the clock pushing to go 12


nice catch buddy!

[spoon]

OSU


come on buckeyes



fuck this school (and I hate osu)

[JimBeam]

Upsets by Baylor and USC would essentially guarantee a rematch of LSU/Alabama in the national championship game I think.

Even if OK wins out their loss ( to a Texas Tech team that's 5-6 I believe ) is the worst of all 1 loss teams.

I actually think LSU has a game to lose. Even if they lose to Arkansas I still think they'd have an angle at the game.

I'm still not sure how the SEC does their 3 way tie breaker.

If Arkansas, who lost to Alabama, beats LSU, whol beat Alabama, all three would have 1 loss.

In that scenario Alabama would probably be #1 in the BCS.

If they use the logic that the Big 12 used a few years ago Alabama would play Georgia in the SEC title game due to the fact that they are the highest ranked team.

I did hear that there's some stipulation that the higher ranked team goes unless a team they lost to was within 5 spots of them in the BCS ( which I don't get because all 3 would probably be within the top 5 at the time ).

I think what Alabama would need is for the Arkansas upset, preferably big, to go along with the Oregon loss tonight. Both would hurt LSU's BCS standing and maybe leapfrog Arkansas over them.

In that case I don't see how LSU could logically get the edge over Alabama by being 3rd in the BCS behind them and Arkansas.

But again regardless of who actually wins the SEC West I think, barring any other upsets, that we'll see a rematch in the BCS title game.

[JimBeam]

All of a sudden these fuckin' USC jerkoffs have forgotten how to tackle.

[keithy_19]

How do you fuck that up USC?

[JimBeam]

They've gotta be throwing this game.

What the hell was the spread ?

FInally somebody makes a big play for USC.

[keithy_19]

I don't know why I dislike Oregon so much.

[JimBeam]

Lane Kiffin is such a douche bag that I can't believe I want him to win this.

But part of me also wants to see him lose it the fuckin' prick.

My hatred for the gimmjick that is Oregon football is more than my hatred for Kiffin.

[JimBeam]

Oh how I'd have loved for a turnover there.

A missed FG would be very nice.

No way USC can win this game in OT I don't think.

You'd think that the " genius " Monte Kiffin could figure out this fuckin' ridiculous offense.

[keithy_19]

Wow.

[disneyspy]

lotta missed FGs to end these night games

[keithy_19]

Is Lane Kiffin really Tim Heidecker?

[JimBeam]

I've gotta say I saw that coming a mile away.

And fuck Chip Kelley becausehe blew that for them by trying to make too many extra plays after he should've gone just kicked the FG when he had the chance.

Keithy you hate Oregon probably the same reason most do. They a chirpy bunch of fucks who have't done anything and they're gimmicky.

They have now been blownout by LSU and lost to am undermanned, sanction ridden USC team.

If I was Kiffin I would cut the SOB that moved the FG 5 yards closr.

[Kevin]

We are going to have to see another terrible LSU Bama game.

Fucking assholes.

[razorboy]

Yay. We're getting an Alabama LSU rematch. http://planetsmilies.net/vomit-smiley-31.gif

[JimBeam]

Baylor had an INT to end the game and the guy dropped the ball.

[razorboy]

I really hate the OU fight song.

Even more than I hate other fight songs.

Which is a lot.

[JimBeam]

As much as I hate the idea of rematches what are you gonna do ?

None of the other teams w/ 1 loss have done anything near what Alabama has done and even if LSU comes up w/ a loss they'd still have done more w/ 1 loss than any other teams.

I don't know how the hell Oklahoma is ranked ahead of Arkansas as it is.

Arkansas lost to Alabama and Oklahoma lost to Texas Tech.

There should be no debate who's better.

[JimBeam]

Stoops is going for 2.

Please, please please Baylor stop this and drop Stoops.

[Snoogans]

nice work jumpin on a 2 pt

[razorboy]

Ha. Nice discipline dummy.

[JimBeam]

Hopefully Baylor can win this in OT.

[keithy_19]

Keithy you hate Oregon probably the same reason most do. They a chirpy bunch of fucks who have't done anything and they're gimmicky.


A duck also killed my brother.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I really hate the OU fight song.

Even more than I hate other fight songs.

Which is a lot.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/9445/439905-jim_large.jpg

[Snoogans]

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/9445/439905-jim_large.jpg

he would appreciate this slobberknocker

[spoon]

A duck also killed my brother.

knowing you and how he was related, he probably choked deep throating a gooey duck

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7XWprJa8dYMeAiXtRCZXUVyUxwLFlu MzVg08r7A0HIQ6ZV5KM1w

[Snoogans]

Come On Baylor

[keithy_19]

Hopefully Baylor can win this in OT.

Fuck that!

[JimBeam]

Fantastic !!!!

[razorboy]

Ha. Suck it Stoops.

[JimBeam]

Big Game Bob does it again.

[Snoogans]

Yessssssssssssss

RG 3

[keithy_19]

knowing you and how he was related, he probably choked deep throating a gooey duck

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7XWprJa8dYMeAiXtRCZXUVyUxwLFlu MzVg08r7A0HIQ6ZV5KM1w

It was premeditated, jerk.

[Snoogans]

what a fuckin ballsy throw by RG3. Holy shit.

[JimBeam]

That was a ballsy play.

if you watch the reply the Oklahoma DB never seems to pay attention to the receiver that caught the TD.

He kinda just let him run around.

[Snoogans]

wow first time baylor ever beat OU. Awesome

[JimBeam]

Yeah, they showed earlier that they had lost the previous 20.

Now if only Cal could beat Stanford it'd really make it a grat day.

This weekend was Posers Go Away.

I think a team from the SEC West might win the Big 12.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, they showed earlier that they had lost the previous 20.

Now if only Cal could beat Stanford it'd really make it a grat day.

This weekend was Posers Go Away.

I think a team from the SEC West might win the Big 12.

i just flipped to that, i guess its halftime. whats the score?

[JimBeam]

It was 14-13 Stanford.

Cal was up 13-7 at one point.

[razorboy]

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/9445/439905-jim_large.jpg

Good God almighty, Stoops has done it again.

[JimBeam]

By the way if Chip Kelley goes for 1 after the KO return for a TD then that FG could win it for them as opposed to just going to OT.

It might not have mattered by just saying.

[FatassTitePants]

So the top 3 teams in the country next week will be from the SEC. That is impressive...and I'm sure pisses off a lot of people off in the North and West.

[NickyL0885]

I don't care how good their game was, an LSU-Bama rematch would be horrible.

[Kevin]

So the top 3 teams in the country next week will be from the SEC. That is impressive...and I'm sure pisses off a lot of people off in the North and West.

Mainly because their style of football leads to ummm...

Terrible games.

[Kevin]

Still better than big 10 though.

Or big however they are now.

[cougarjake13]

I don't care how good their game was, an LSU-Bama rematch would be horrible.

we can only hope for an arkansas win over lsu

[ozzie]

we can only hope for an arkansas win over lsu

Why? So we can get a re-match of Arky/bama? How is that any better?

The SEC divisional tie breaker ultimately comes down to BCS rankings.

In a three way tie, they throw out the lowest ranked team. Then, if the other two are within 5 spots of each other, they look at the head-to-head match up.

If arky pulls an upset at LSU, it would leave a helluva decision for the voters. Do you drop lsu behind bama? Do you put arky ahead of bama? It would be hard to imagine that lsu would not drop even one spot... but who do you put ahead of them?

Best case scenario... Auburn shocks the world and defeats bama... LSU handles arky... Stanford impresses enough over Notre Dame to jump into #2, and there are no re-matches.

But if Auburn loses... yeah, I'll be rooting for complete chaos and a lot of wailing and nashing of teeth on Sunday morning.

[spoon]

it's quite easy, playoff

why the fuck isn't this in play yet!? I know I know, money, power, control...all the fun stuff, but man it's such a joke.

it really isn't that hard and would only expand the sport in my mind and you can even incorporate those archaic bowl games w/i the tourney structure and keep those that don't fit to be like the NIT tourney for lesser teams on the bubble. I'm not saying another playoff, just sep bowl games not linked to the main tournament.

eh, why bother? it'll happen n 2022 or something but not bc we bitch, bc they find more money in it

[ozzie]

it's quite easy, playoff

why the fuck isn't this in play yet!? I know I know, money, power, control...all the fun stuff, but man it's such a joke.

it really isn't that hard and would only expand the sport in my mind and you can even incorporate those archaic bowl games w/i the tourney structure and keep those that don't fit to be like the NIT tourney for lesser teams on the bubble. I'm not saying another playoff, just sep bowl games not linked to the main tournament.

eh, why bother? it'll happen n 2022 or something but not bc we bitch, bc they find more money in it

This is why I'm really hoping that a high profile team gets the shaft this year.

Yeah, there's been Utah's, Auburn's, and Boise caliber schools shut out of a chance to play for the MNC... but never a bama or lsu.

As much as I despise most of them... I'd love to see the "bama nation" rallying behind a motion for a playoff in D-1A college football.

Not that I'm conceding victory this Saturday... but IF bama survives, I'm really hoping that LSU handles Arkansas... and Stanford wins by a wide margin over ND, and that the two survive their conference championship games.

It would give the voters and computers one more week to consider jumping someone else (who actually WON their conference) into the #2 spot to face LSU.

Even better... if we got that matchup, to have Stanford put up little resistance against LSU, and have the bammers roll over whomever they face in the sugar bowl.

As long as the BCS can say with a straight face that they "got it right", and the two undisputed best teams faced each other for the title... nothing will happen.

It's going to have to look like a legit #2 got "screwed" before enough university presidents demand for a change.

[JimBeam]

Aside from Alabama losing to Auburn it's going to be LSU/Alabama in the BCS title game.

Even if LSU loses, and they drop to #3 in all the polls, that's not enough for ARK to close the gap in the BCS.

That'd leave Alabama #1 and LSU#2.

What I don't like is the idea of " dropping the 3rd place team ".

If ARK goes into BR and kills LSU how can that loss be irrelevant ?

Why would LSU's 3 point OT win over Alabama trump a loss to ARK and also trump Alabama beating ARK ?

If LSU loses by more than 14 points their loss is by far the worst of the 3 head to head since it would be at home against a lower ranked team.

LSU's win over Bama was on the road but it was against a lower ranked team.

Plus the LSU loss would be the freshest, not to say a later loss should mean more than an earlier loss, but it also shouldn't be easily thrown out.

Brad Edwards had a good point. All LSU gets by winning the SEC West is the chance to go play UGA while Alabama, sits home and rests up for the BCS title game.

In a way this is very similar to what happened in the Big 12 but there are ways that it is very different.

By the way there's no way Stanford, with zero meaningful wins, should play for a national title.

I'd put in Ok St before them.

[spoon]

This is why I'm really hoping that a high profile team gets the shaft this year.

Yeah, there's been Utah's, Auburn's, and Boise caliber schools shut out of a chance to play for the MNC... but never a bama or lsu.

As much as I despise most of them... I'd love to see the "bama nation" rallying behind a motion for a playoff in D-1A college football.

Not that I'm conceding victory this Saturday... but IF bama survives, I'm really hoping that LSU handles Arkansas... and Stanford wins by a wide margin over ND, and that the two survive their conference championship games.

It would give the voters and computers one more week to consider jumping someone else (who actually WON their conference) into the #2 spot to face LSU.

Even better... if we got that matchup, to have Stanford put up little resistance against LSU, and have the bammers roll over whomever they face in the sugar bowl.

As long as the BCS can say with a straight face that they "got it right", and the two undisputed best teams faced each other for the title... nothing will happen.

It's going to have to look like a legit #2 got "screwed" before enough university presidents demand for a change.

It sucks and has pretty much happened every year. Who knows who would have won it all in a playoff format? You do know that whichever team did would fucking earn it though!

As for big name teams getting screwed, what about PSU in 1994 with their perfect record? I know it had more to do with the bowl setups and PSU (and pac-10 winner) being set in their bowl matchup. Funny how their own bowl importance was the main factor in fucking PSU's chances for a title in the end. The Tournament of Roses Association not joining the Bowl Coalition as it was called up to 1995 (became the Bowl Alliance and BCS in 1998), put the title to yet another vote. And somehow they didn't split as in years past with two top level undefeated teams.

Basically, they tweak it slightly, usually doing nothing to address the actual need, in an effort to feign actually doing something. To me, it'll just be another bs move to "fix" the issue until the fans actually do something about it. The BCS will become the Bowl Playoff Alliance or something stupid like that. Think about it, we've seen the Bowl Coalition -->become the Bowl Alliance ->to the Bowl Championship Series in just under 20 years.

[spoon]

This system raised the possibility that the two top-ranked teams in the final poll would not play each other in a bowl game. Indeed, the two top-ranked teams in the final regular-season AP Poll had only played each other in a bowl six times since the AP began releasing its final poll after the bowl games in 1968(up to 1992 I believe). Under the circumstances, it was also possible to have a split national championship.

awful

[ozzie]

Aside from Alabama losing to Auburn it's going to be LSU/Alabama in the BCS title game.

Even if LSU loses, and they drop to #3 in all the polls, that's not enough for ARK to close the gap in the BCS.

That'd leave Alabama #1 and LSU#2.

If LSU lost, and dropped to #3 in both polls... then I'm assuming you mean behind Arkansas at #1 or #2.

The polls are 2/3 of the formula. I don't see how LSU would retake #2. It's not like the computers hate arky right now. They're #4 in the computer poll, without having beat the #1 team on the road.

The only way I see LSU losing to Arky, yet holding on to one of the top 2 spots, would be with the help of the human polls considering their win over bama.

What I don't like is the idea of " dropping the 3rd place team ".

If ARK goes into BR and kills LSU how can that loss be irrelevant?

Why would LSU's 3 point OT win over Alabama trump a loss to ARK and also trump Alabama beating ARK ?

If LSU loses by more than 14 points their loss is by far the worst of the 3 head to head since it would be at home against a lower ranked team.

LSU's win over Bama was on the road but it was against a lower ranked team.

Plus the LSU loss would be the freshest, not to say a later loss should mean more than an earlier loss, but it also shouldn't be easily thrown out.

It doesn't make Arky's win irrelevant... unless somehow the voters considered it irrelevant.

I think Arkansas would get a huge bump, and would expect them to claim the #1 spot. (Being the man by beating the man, and whatnot)

The question then is... do you drop LSU behind bama, when bama lost to LSU?

If it's - 1. Arky 2. LSU 3. Bama... then Arkansas wins the West.

If it's - 1. Arky 2. Bama 3. LSU... then Bama wins the West.

If LSU beats Arky, and holds onto #1... they win the West.

If somehow it's - 1. Bama 2. LSU 3. Arky (seems unlikely with an Arky win, but...) then LSU wins the West.

By the way there's no way Stanford, with zero meaningful wins, should play for a national title.

I'd put in Ok St before them.

Exactly. Boy wouldn't that totally piss off the bammers, and the pokes if they snuck Stanford in!

With ND being ranked, and with the chance to play a conf title game the following week, vs. OkState only having one more shot to beat an already twice beaten OU team... not saying it would or should happen... but it could, and it could be glorious!

Oh, and I guess I'm rooting for VaTech to win out and try to stake their claim, no matter what herbstreit thinks of their worth. And for Houston to have a shot at knocking off a top 10 team in a bowl, and staking theirs as well.

The more fan bases that feel like they got screwed... the more pressure for reform and eventually a playoff.

[ozzie]

It sucks and has pretty much happened every year. Who knows who would have won it all in a playoff format? You do know that whichever team did would fucking earn it though!

As for big name teams getting screwed, what about PSU in 1994 with their perfect record? I know it had more to do with the bowl setups and PSU (and pac-10 winner) being set in their bowl matchup. Funny how their own bowl importance was the main factor in fucking PSU's chances for a title in the end. The Tournament of Roses Association not joining the Bowl Coalition as it was called up to 1995 (became the Bowl Alliance and BCS in 1998), put the title to yet another vote. And somehow they didn't split as in years past with two top level undefeated teams.

Basically, they tweak it slightly, usually doing nothing to address the actual need, in an effort to feign actually doing something. To me, it'll just be another bs move to "fix" the issue until the fans actually do something about it. The BCS will become the Bowl Playoff Alliance or something stupid like that. Think about it, we've seen the Bowl Coalition -->become the Bowl Alliance ->to the Bowl Championship Series in just under 20 years.

And maybe within the next 20 years, we can hope for something like this...

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7195/ncaaplayoffbracket11211.jpg

And, for the record... I was on here proposing the same thing when Auburn was one of the fortunate two last year.

And, yeah, I'm sure I'll get bashed once again for proposing a format that includes ALL the small conference champs (just guessing at who those will be)... but I see this format as the easiest way to sell the idea to all of the university presidents.

I mean... the AFC West is going to put a team into the NFL playoffs this year... so... yeah, kinda along the same lines.

[Snoogans]

And maybe within the next 20 years, we can hope for something like this...

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7195/ncaaplayoffbracket11211.jpg

And, for the record... I was on here proposing the same thing when Auburn was one of the fortunate two last year.

And, yeah, I'm sure I'll get bashed once again for proposing a format that includes ALL the small conference champs (just guessing at who those will be)... but I see this format as the easiest way to sell the idea to all of the university presidents.

I mean... the AFC West is going to put a team into the NFL playoffs this year... so... yeah, kinda along the same lines.

awesome that rutgers is on that shit. even though if the season ended today, louisville would win the big east BCS spot cause tie breakers.

[ozzie]

awesome that rutgers is on that shit. even though if the season ended today, louisville would win the big east BCS spot cause tie breakers.

I was counting on USF to do the right thing the next two weeks so it won't come down to tie breakers.

[Snoogans]

I was counting on USF to do the right thing the next two weeks so it won't come down to tie breakers.

USF and Pitt both have to cause rutgers fucked the dog and WV has the tiebreaker too.

they fuckin shoulda beat both those assholes too. thats the thing that gets me so angry. fuckin rutgers lost to UNC by 2 and made a ton of mistakes, same with louisville and lost by one, and then really fucked the dog at the end of the WV game. But at the same token, they really shoulda lost 6 or 7 of the 8 games they won. They are fuckin terrible, and can still backdoor the Big East title.

Im a fan, and even i see it. Get the fuckin AQ status off the big east. they are fuckin PATHETIC

[spoon]

And maybe within the next 20 years, we can hope for something like this...

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7195/ncaaplayoffbracket11211.jpg

And, for the record... I was on here proposing the same thing when Auburn was one of the fortunate two last year.

And, yeah, I'm sure I'll get bashed once again for proposing a format that includes ALL the small conference champs (just guessing at who those will be)... but I see this format as the easiest way to sell the idea to all of the university presidents.

I mean... the AFC West is going to put a team into the NFL playoffs this year... so... yeah, kinda along the same lines.

Yes to this! Hey wait a minute !!! :furious:

[spoon]

USF and Pitt both have to cause rutgers fucked the dog and WV has the tiebreaker too.

they fuckin shoulda beat both those assholes too. thats the thing that gets me so angry. fuckin rutgers lost to UNC by 2 and made a ton of mistakes, same with louisville and lost by one, and then really fucked the dog at the end of the WV game. But at the same token, they really shoulda lost 6 or 7 of the 8 games they won. They are fuckin terrible, and can still backdoor the Big East title.

Im a fan, and even i see it. Get the fuckin AQ status off the big east. they are fuckin PATHETIC

rutgers fucks a lot of dogs!

what's their mascot, the Vick Santorums?

[Snoogans]

rutgers fucks a lot of dogs!

what's their mascot, the Vick Santorums?

they fuck so many dogs i might start callin them Lutgers

[JimBeam]

If LSU lost, and dropped to #3 in both polls... then I'm assuming you mean behind Arkansas at #1 or #2.

The polls are 2/3 of the formula. I don't see how LSU would retake #2. It's not like the computers hate arky right now. They're #4 in the computer poll, without having beat the #1 team on the road.

The only way I see LSU losing to Arky, yet holding on to one of the top 2 spots, would be with the help of the human polls considering their win over bama.

LSU is almost a point better than ARK in the BCS right now. Even with a loss to ARK they wouldn't close that gap.

ARK isn't going to leap LSU and Alabama, into the #1 BCS spot, just because they beat LSU.

[JimBeam]

A playoff only works when you're dealing in like cases.

As much as it sound slike the same song Boise St and Houston simply do not play the level of competition that LSU, Alabama, Arkansas and even Ok St and Oregon play.

So winning the MWC isn't the same as winning the SEC.

Only possible way it could ever work is if you gave the current BCS leagues the top 10 to 12 of the 16 slots ( including conference champs and the at larges ) and then said that the final 4 seeds could go to the weak conferences.

Then Boise St would have to play LSU in round #1 and most likely get sent home packing.

[ozzie]

USF and Pitt both have to cause rutgers fucked the dog and WV has the tiebreaker too.

they fuckin shoulda beat both those assholes too. thats the thing that gets me so angry. fuckin rutgers lost to UNC by 2 and made a ton of mistakes, same with louisville and lost by one, and then really fucked the dog at the end of the WV game. But at the same token, they really shoulda lost 6 or 7 of the 8 games they won. They are fuckin terrible, and can still backdoor the Big East title.

Im a fan, and even i see it. Get the fuckin AQ status off the big east. they are fuckin PATHETIC

USF still plays both Louisville and WVU.

It's a longshot... but it could happen.

[ozzie]

LSU is almost a point better than ARK in the BCS right now. Even with a loss to ARK they wouldn't close that gap.

ARK isn't going to leap LSU and Alabama, into the #1 BCS spot, just because they beat LSU.

LSU is a point better because they're getting almost all the #1 votes in the two human polls, and are currently #1 in the computer poll.

In your scenario, Arky goes into BR and wins by 2 TD's or more.

Thereby being the only team to beat LSU, and does it convincingly.

So where do you think the voters would put Arky? Are you suggesting they would stay at #3?

You really don't think the human polls or computers would/could move them to #1?

Or ahead of the team that couldn't beat the same LSU team at their place?

[ozzie]

And I have to retract the scenario that included Stanford having a shot at the title.

I just realized that they likely will not win their own division, let alone their conference.

Barring a beaver upset of the ducks... they're probably out.

[DanMarino]

And I have to retract the scenario that included Stanford having a shot at the title.

I just realized that they likely will not win their own division, let alone their conference.

Barring a beaver upset of the ducks... they're probably out.

WHAT ABOUT PITT


:furious:

[ozzie]

WHAT ABOUT PITT


:furious:

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6849/marinoheismanpose.jpg

Nice 'fro, deek.

http://whosright.com/uploads/AyJ3WR_heisman-trophy.jpg

All your passing records are belong to us.

[JimBeam]

LSU is a point better because they're getting almost all the #1 votes in the two human polls, and are currently #1 in the computer poll.

In your scenario, Arky goes into BR and wins by 2 TD's or more.

Thereby being the only team to beat LSU, and does it convincingly.

So where do you think the voters would put Arky? Are you suggesting they would stay at #3?

You really don't think the human polls or computers would/could move them to #1?

Or ahead of the team that couldn't beat the same LSU team at their place?

So why would ARK leap an Alabama team that destroyed them ?

They broke down the numbers and have all but said that outside of ARK getting every 1st place vote there's no way they could jump LSU in the BCS.

They could do it in the human polls but do you really think voters will put an ARK team ahead of an Alabama team that it lost to ?

Maybe some would, if they had a very convincing win against LSU, but I doubt it'd get much sentiment.

[ozzie]

So why would ARK leap an Alabama team that destroyed them ?

They broke down the numbers and have all but said that outside of ARK getting every 1st place vote there's no way they could jump LSU in the BCS.

They could do it in the human polls but do you really think voters will put an ARK team ahead of an Alabama team that it lost to ?

Maybe some would, if they had a very convincing win against LSU, but I doubt it'd get much sentiment.

You could make an argument for any of the 3 to be #1.

I just don't have a lot of respect for the voters (coaches, nor harris people).

The only advantage here is that the votes don't have to be turned in until Sunday morning, and the lsu/arky game is on Friday. They'll have all day Saturday to listen to Herbstreit and others tell them how they should vote.

Without that add'l time... if the games were all played on Saturday, and with the short term memory most voters have shown to have... the knee jerk reaction would be to bump lsu down, bump arky up, and then when comparing arky to bama, you could argue that bama had their shot at knocking off lsu at HOME, and lost, where arky went into BR and won.

If you're just looking at that, which some might... advantage: arky

But, again... IF arky wins, you'll have a lot of people bringing up the head-to-head results of bama/arky all day Saturday... so who knows.

I'm just glad it's a short work week. I work with both LSU and bammer fans, and this discussion / debate is getting very tiresome.

The good thing though is that the bammers have been pre-occupied with tie-breaker shit, and haven't been focused on our game at all.

At this point, I'm rooting for LSU to stomp arky, and end this shit on Friday afternoon. I really don't want to have to listen to it all day on Saturday.

The right side of my brain isn't giving AU much chance at pulling an upset... but the left side keeps remembering how a similar, young, porous defense, with only 3 healthy, scholarship linebackers, held future heisman winner Mark Ingram and the bammer O in check, and held the lead on the eventual MNC's for 58:36.

I don't mind losing to the #2 team in the country... I just hope it doesn't get ugly like 2008.

And of course nothing would be sweeter than "beating the #2 out of bama", like the "amazins" did in 1972.

[JimBeam]

Urban Meyer to Oh St per a newsbreak on Mike & Mike this morning.

7 year deal.

[JimBeam]

Also I saw something on the ticker the other day about the conferences wanting to abandon their ties to the bowls.

I never saw any follow-up on it though.

That would be good news for the people who like the idea of a playoff even as flawed as the idea is.

[disneyspy]

Urban Meyer to Oh St per a newsbreak on Mike & Mike this morning.

7 year deal.

i have a new hate in my heart

[JimBeam]

I don't really mind it.

He seems like a good guy and is obvioulsy a good coach so we'll see if he can do it again.

[disneyspy]

he will bring ohowihate o state back,thats why i hate him,i was hoping they would get rich rod to drag them down even more

[ozzie]

Also I saw something on the ticker the other day about the conferences wanting to abandon their ties to the bowls.

I never saw any follow-up on it though.

That would be good news for the people who like the idea of a playoff even as flawed as the idea is.

Not sure if it's the same story, but I saw was that the "BCS" was breaking ties with the bowls.

They would just be about picking the 2 top teams (for now), and about running the MNC game.

It would put an end to "AQ" conferences and schools, and there would be no more "BCS Bowl Games", just the MNC game.

No more dictating which conferences go to which bowls, or how many from a conf can go, etc.

It would be back to the conferences to negotiate their own "tie in", or back to the bowls offering bids to schools.

It would open it up to the "BCS" to hold the game at Cowboys stadium, or wherever they chose.

But there was also a glimmer of hope that this might open the door to being able to offer bids to additional schools to possibly organize "semi-finals"? Even "quarter-finals" one day?

[JimBeam]

Not sure if it's the same story, but I saw was that the "BCS" was breaking ties with the bowls.

They would just be about picking the 2 top teams (for now), and about running the MNC game.

It would put an end to "AQ" conferences and schools, and there would be no more "BCS Bowl Games", just the MNC game.

No more dictating which conferences go to which bowls, or how many from a conf can go, etc.

It would be back to the conferences to negotiate their own "tie in", or back to the bowls offering bids to schools.

It would open it up to the "BCS" to hold the game at Cowboys stadium, or wherever they chose.

But there was also a glimmer of hope that this might open the door to being able to offer bids to additional schools to possibly organize "semi-finals"? Even "quarter-finals" one day?

That's probably the story. I ave to find some links on it.

[disneyspy]

i found blogs but nothing official http://www.bcsfootball.org/

[ozzie]

Found it:

Sources: BCS proposes radical changes (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7248953/bcs-proposes-only-handling-national-championship-game-sources-say)

[JimBeam]

Found it:

Sources: BCS proposes radical changes (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7248953/bcs-proposes-only-handling-national-championship-game-sources-say)

Thanks.

[Snoogans]

Found it:

Sources: BCS proposes radical changes (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7248953/bcs-proposes-only-handling-national-championship-game-sources-say)

yea awesome. lets do this to protect the conferences that are already ruined by us not doing this last year

[spoon]

yea awesome. lets do this to protect the conferences that are already ruined by us not doing this last year

and isn't it just another way to filter in money via bids, allowing teams with following to almost always have a good shot at a bowl again (higher than should) just bc they have said following (=money)?

[Snoogans]

and isn't it just another way to filter in money via bids, allowing teams with following to almost always have a good shot at a bowl again (higher than should) just bc they have said following (=money)?

basically the old bowls just go back to how they were.

So say the rose bowl, which is big ten winner vs pac 12 winner. If one of those conf winners gets into the title game, it will now be up to the rose bowl to choose anyone they feel like to fill the spot, instead of the BCS top 14 or whatever it was

[spoon]

pretty much what I thought, just not up completely on my ncaa shit as you know

thanks for confirming hayseed

[Snoogans]

pretty much what I thought, just not up completely on my ncaa shit as you know

thanks for confirming hayseed

hayseeds dont like NCAA, just the SEC

[spoon]

so that makes Jesus a hayseed?

[cougarjake13]

so that makes Jesus a hayseed?

well he was from the south side of nazareth

[epo]

Holy crap the refs just gave Texas this game. If I'm with Texas A&M I'm appalled.

[cougarjake13]

arkansas up 14-0 i thought my dream of a fucked up bcs would come true


then arkansas went and shit the bed

[disneyspy]

WTF MICHIGAN! the friggin D looks like rodriquez is back coaching,WIDE FUCKING OPEN!!

[disneyspy]

nice to see michigan win "the game"

[epo]

nice to see michigan win "the game"

If that Ohio State QB was half-way accurate Michigan blows that lead.

[disneyspy]

If that Ohio State QB was half-way accurate Michigan blows that lead.

i think you're confusing them with those chokers in madison

[epo]

i think you're confusing them with those chokers in madison

What was that?

[spoon]

HE SAID, i think you're confusing them with those chokers in madison!

[epo]

HE SAID, i think you're confusing them with those chokers in madison!

Oh, the team that's winning 35-7 in route to winning their division?

[disneyspy]

i was talking about the team that lost to ohio state

[disneyspy]

Oh, the team that's winning 35-7 in route to winning their division?

whats oregon got to do with this?

[epo]

i was talking about the team that lost to ohio state

We'll see Michigan in the Big Ten championship game.

Oh wait...

[disneyspy]

wisconsin can only beat teams in the lleeders division,big deal

[epo]

wisconsin can only beat teams in the lleeders division,big deal

You might be the Kevin of this thread.

[disneyspy]

there are alot of hockey players in the NHL from NYC!!

[JimBeam]

This Alabama/Auburn game is looking much closer than it actually is.

A fumble return for a TD and a KO return for a TD for Auburn. They had 1 first down in the 1st half.

But in the 2nd half Alabama has been way too conservative.

[deliciousV]

Michigan is what happens when Canada flushes

[disneyspy]

seed

[JimBeam]

So who do you guys think should and will win the Heisman ?

I haven't loked at the numbers on the major players but I did see a stat that said Rihardson has better numbers now than Engram when he won it a few years ago.

I heard one analyst on ESPN say that he thinks Luck should win it because he's the best pro prospect. WYF does that mean ?

Where the hell is Luck's signatue win or his Heisman moment ?

The win against Duke ?

Please.

[disneyspy]

it really is a weak year for heisman candidates

and i dont get the luck love either,just because he stuck around after harbaugh left doesnt mean he should get as much attention as he does

[JimBeam]

it really is a weak year for heisman candidates

and i dont get the luck love either,just because he stuck around after harbaugh left doesnt mean he should get as much attention as he does

I heard this sentiment andit baffled me as well.

Yet people said that this shouldn't matter when Peyton Manning did it an he lost to a fuckin' defensive back with one big playall year.

And I will sy I agree it shouldn't matter.

That senile bastard Lou Holtz last week was saying that it should be Wilson from Wisconsin and rolled off a bunch of stats that compared Wislon to Aaron Rodgers in the NFL.

[disneyspy]

I heard this sentiment andit baffled me as well.

Yet people said that this shouldn't matter when Peyton Manning did it an he lost to a fuckin' defensive back with one big playall year.

And I will sy I agree it shouldn't matter.

That senile bastard Lou Holtz last week was saying that it should be Wilson from Wisconsin and rolled off a bunch of stats that compared Wislon to Aaron Rodgers in the NFL.

charles woodson played both ways and returned kicks and punts for TDs,fuck peyton manning

[epo]

I heard this sentiment andit baffled me as well.

Yet people said that this shouldn't matter when Peyton Manning did it an he lost to a fuckin' defensive back with one big playall year.

And I will sy I agree it shouldn't matter.

That senile bastard Lou Holtz last week was saying that it should be Wilson from Wisconsin and rolled off a bunch of stats that compared Wislon to Aaron Rodgers in the NFL.

Wilson? He's a good QB, but he's not the best player on their offense. Montee Ball should be the only Badger in the discussion.

[Tenbatsuzen]

seed

Is that like changing the "ER" to an "A"?

[spoon]

Where the hell is Luck's signatue win or his Heisman moment ?


signature win and heisman moment!? WTF does that even mean? Look I don't think having a sig win is the end all, what if it's followed up by back to back losses? And Heisman moment? Is that one big game, or can a sig win count there too?!

Come on man, it's the Heisman, not some clip show countdown. Select the best player this year for the award, not someone with one great moment or Luck bc he's "pro ready". The award isn't the fucking Pro Ready Player of the Year (PRPY) or Top Play of the Year (TPY), if so I give it to Furtherman for banning WF!

[disneyspy]

signature win and heisman moment!? WTF does that even mean? Look I don't think having a sig win is the end all, what if it's followed up by back to back losses? And Heisman moment? Is that one big game, or can a sig win count there too?!

Come on man, it's the Heisman, not some clip show countdown. Select the best player this year for the award, not someone with one great moment or Luck bc he's "pro ready". The award isn't the fucking Pro Ready Player of the Year (PRPY) or Top Play of the Year (TPY), if so I give it to Furtherman for banning WF!

thanks dicky vitale

[disneyspy]

Is that like changing the "ER" to an "A"?

you aint my boy,you're spoon's boy

[spoon]

nah, you can have him

[CountryBob]

Virginia Tech Hokies!

:clap:

[ozzie]

So who is the real number 2? (http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/33566427)

I picked Team B.

[ozzie]

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/THE-MORTIFIED-PUNTER1.gif

[weekapaugjz]

i didn't think it was possible to hate ohio state more than i already had. (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7289592/urban-meyer-joins-ohio-state-buckeyes-coach-1-year-hiatus-sources-say)

[underdog]

i didn't think it was possible to hate ohio state more than i already had. (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7289592/urban-meyer-joins-ohio-state-buckeyes-coach-1-year-hiatus-sources-say)

How long do you think he lasts there? Will he quit after 3 years?

[cougarjake13]

How long do you think he lasts there? Will he quit after 3 years?

if he wins at least 1 championship in that time frame all bets are off as to how much longer he'll stay



at some point he'll wind up at notre dame

[Snoogans]

if he wins at least 1 championship in that time frame all bets are off as to how much longer he'll stay



at some point he'll wind up at notre dame

why will he wind up at ND? I dont see that EVER happening. ND wont let in the dumb athletes he needs.

And he is from Ohio. Im pretty sure Ohio State is his destination job

[cougarjake13]

why will he wind up at ND? I dont see that EVER happening. ND wont let in the dumb athletes he needs.

And he is from Ohio. Im pretty sure Ohio State is his destination job



not sure if i remember correctly but for some reason i remember hearing he was tied to the notre dame gig before it went to weiss and he went to florida


so keeping with his spend a few yrs in a place and leaving im just assuming ND would be next

[JimBeam]

I actually think he turned down the job and decided to take UF.

I'm sure his concern was with access to players that ND wouldn't allow in.

[JimBeam]

So who is the real number 2? (http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/33566427)

I picked Team B.

I have a problem with the Average Point Differential part of that. It assumes that you have to have a great offense to be better than other teams.

I think a more realisitic stat is " Points Against " because that shows more.

We all know that as cliched as it sounds defenses do win championships.

Alabama's defense was #1 in the country while OK St's was 107th prior to Saturday's game.

I can be fair and say that a great offense is also a plus but the average was still in Alabama's favor. I think they were #1/#33 in offense and defense respectively where OK St was #4/#107.

Also misleading is the wins against ranked teams ( I personally put no value in abybody outside of the Top 25 because i question the difference between a 36th and 37th ranked team ).

A better judge of how a team's schedule ranks is the combined records of their opponents.

Alabama played 4 teams with a losing record, 3 with a .500 record, 1 against " other " ( 7 or 8 wins ) and 4 against teams with 9+ wins ( including 3 with 10+ wins ).

Those teams had a combined record of 84-61.

On the other hand OK St played 3 teams with a losing record, 2 with a .500 record, 4 " other " and 3 with 9+ wins ( including only 1 with 10+ wins ).

Those teams were a combined 81-63.

The Big 12 was getting a lot of credit because they had so many teams ranked. The thing is they were only ranked because they were losing to each other when they were ranked. ( Ironically something that usually goes in the SEC's favor ).

The SEC had so much more parity htis year than in recent years and that hurt their chances for ranked teams.

I'm biased towards the SEC but I think I was being objective in reviewing the stats and I think they got it right.

In the end it had to do with the quality of the loss. OK St losing to an unranked Iowa St team, that ended the season 6-6, was much worse than Alabama losing to the unanimous #1 team in the country. That was more than likely the difference that the computers saw.

[Snoogans]

in fairness to Ok State, they lost to Iowa State about an hour after they found out those 2 basketball coaches died in a plane crash. I know you cant make excuses but, i know id have some trouble gettin up for a football game an hour after i heard that shit

[JimBeam]

Yeah I know and I hate to be insensetive but does it matter ?

It wasn't a person directly related to the football program which might make a difference.

An actual player for ARK died that same weekend and nobody was dismissing their loss to LSU because of that.

I'm sure players on every team in the country lose loved ones in one way or another and I don't think the more tragic the death should matter.

That was me being insesnetive and focusing on the game itself. Had it happened to a team I followed I might think differently.

[JimBeam]

Aside from the BCS games, which I think suck for the most part, there are a whole lot of shitty games.

I saw quite a games between teams 6-6 ( most notably Oh St/UF ) and 7-5.

I'm sure I'll watch but it seems wierd watching teams w/ those names have such bad records.

[newport king]

Just have a playoff tourney already.

[ozzie]

Maybe this is enough of a clusterfuck to finally fix the goddam system.

[newport king]

no way

[ozzie]

In the end it had to do with the quality of the loss. OK St losing to an unranked Iowa St team, that ended the season 6-6, was much worse than Alabama losing to the unanimous #1 team in the country. That was more than likely the difference that the computers saw.

???

OkSt finished #2 in the computer poll, ahead of bama. (.950 to .930)

What killed OkSt's chances was not how many people had bama #2... it was how many that had OkSt > #3.

In the Harris, 3 people voted OSU 6th, 4 voted OSU 5th, and 9 voted OSU 4th.

And I'm still shaking my head at how many coaches outside the SEC voted to let them have a re-match... not to mention how fucking ridiculous it is that they would even have a system that gives opposing coaches a say in who gets to play.

[ozzie]

Let's go back to the second-to-last week of 2006 for a moment.

Ohio State is #1. Michigan is #2. Both undefeated. Michigan loses @ OSU 42 - 39.

Michigan's only loss now was by a FG AT "unanimous No. 1" OSU.

Florida lost on the road to Auburn (who finished 10 - 2, top-10 in most polls) by 10 pts.

Some mediots start arguing that Michigan should get a re-match. Their loss was "better" than Florida's. These are clearly the best two teams, and one losing a close game to the other doesn't change that fact.

All polls have Michigan ranked ahead of Florida going in to the conf championship games / final weekend. (Most have UF #4, with both Michigan and USC ahead)

Florida beats Arky (who finished the year 10 - 4, ranked around #16) in the SECCG 38 - 28. USC loses to UCLA.

The coaches, computers, etc., have another week, and another chance to re-think a "re-match", and instead jump Florida over Michigan in the final poll.

Not sure exactly what they saw in the SECCG, but now most voters/mediots feel that Michigan had their shot at OSU and lost. Florida was deemed more deserving. Michigan should just shut the hell up and quit whining, even though just a week before, their was no doubt in most voters minds who the two best teams were.

Florida "backs in" to the MNC game as the underdog, and, given the opportunity to compare themselves to OSU on a football field and not by a fucking VOTE... proceeds to embarrass OSU and heisman winner Troy Smith 41 - 14.



Now, I'm not comparing my beloved 2006 Auburn Tigers to 2011 Iowa State, or 2006 Florida to 2011 OkState or VaTech. But... I'mjussayn... there's a lot of comparisons to this year.


bama had their shot this year AT HOME against lsu. They were the favorite. ESPN Gameday was there. They got CBS to move it to a night game. Over 100k of their fans were on their feet inside BDS at a fever-pitch before kickoff. The weather was perfect. All the odds were all in their favor...

...and they lost.


bama didn't get "screwed". They had their shot, and they lost the game.


But, now, beating that "unanimous #2" bama team in hostile tuscalooser meant absolutely nothing for lsu.

Well, it did mean that they would have to play another week against a physical UGA team while bama rested and healed.

And now, if they don't beat them a second time, it will be decided that bama was the better team?



This isn't about trying to compare bama and okstate, or VaTech. Schools with zero common opponents, or circumstances. It's pointless.

It's about ANY other team that won their conference, that didn't already have a chance to play lsu... to get the same chance that bama already had.

[newport king]

I can't and don't want to follow this as precisely as some, but hypothetically, if LSU had lost this past weekend, with Alabama not even playing, what would the Championship game have been? Bama OkSt?

[Snacks]

this is why college football sucks. Ok st deserves this more, they had a tougher schedule and Bama had their chance and lost at home to LSU. OK st lost 1 too but they lost the same week as another plane crash killed members of their university. If LSU loses should they share the national title because they beat each other and both now have 1 lose? Should this win mean more then LSU's win in Bama? Wasnt it harder for LSU to win in Bama then it will be for Bama to win on a neutral field? LSU had to play and win 1 more game to get here, Bama rested and had nothing to do with no chances of injuries. This is bullshit.

If Bama wins a close game similar to the last game and OK St wins a blow out I would love to see a 3 way shared vote for LSU, Bama and OK St. This would fuck the entire system and have lots of media attention calling for the bcs to be changed or gone!

Wont happen but would love to see the writers and coaches vote this way.

[Snacks]

I can't and don't want to follow this as precisely as some, but hypothetically, if LSU had lost this past weekend, with Alabama not even playing, what would the Championship game have been? Bama OkSt?

depending on how bad lsu lost. if it was a close game there is a chance that bama becomes #1 and lsu would only fall 1 spot to 2. it sucks but wouldnt be surprised if it did happen.

[Snoogans]

i still think LSU should be playin Ok State. Bama had their chance to play LSu. they lost. I dont give a fuck how or why, they lost. move along now

[Snoogans]

Yeah I know and I hate to be insensetive but does it matter ?

It wasn't a person directly related to the football program which might make a difference.

An actual player for ARK died that same weekend and nobody was dismissing their loss to LSU because of that.

I'm sure players on every team in the country lose loved ones in one way or another and I don't think the more tragic the death should matter.

That was me being insesnetive and focusing on the game itself. Had it happened to a team I followed I might think differently.

well, according to all things, because stillwater is such a small community, they were mixed and involved. They shared facilities, occasionally, when goin to close by cities, they even shared buses and charter flights. They were way closer tied than most schools football and womans bball program are.

And they told them an HOUR before the game. Personally i think the coaches are stupid. Why not just wait and tell them after. I think it really did fuck up their heads

[JimBeam]

Ok st deserves this more, they had a tougher schedule ,,,

Explain to me how they had a tougher schedule when I broke diwn the numbers for you.

Alabama played 3 teams that won 10+ games and OK St played 1.

Sure one of those teams was Ga Southern but even if you dropped that game they still played LSU and ARK.

ARK's 2 losses were to Alabama and LSU the #1 and #2 in the country.

OK, the only 10 win opponent of OK St, lost to Texas Tech which finished the season unranked at 5-7 and only won 1 other game in that conference and that was against a team that didn't win any games in the conference ( Kanas ).

I'll give you 1 more thing to show you that OK St's schedule was weaker.

They both played a game against a BCS conference team.

Alabama beat a Penn St team that's only other losses were to Wisconsin and Mich St which both played for the conference's title.

OK St played Arizona which is unranked at 4-8 with losses to Colorado and Wash St ( teams with a combined record of 6-19 ).

Incidentally that same shitty AZ team beat ULL a common opponent of OK St's.

That must've been what makes OK St's schedule so much harder. Beating a team that a team w/ only 3 wins beat.

In the end Alabama's win against ARK and loss to LSU were better than ANYTHING that OK St did all year.

Again if we give ARK a break for the death they had on their team who's to say they don't play better against LSU and then you have 3 teams all 11-1 ?

[JimBeam]

depending on how bad lsu lost. if it was a close game there is a chance that bama becomes #1 and lsu would only fall 1 spot to 2. it sucks but wouldnt be surprised if it did happen.

Once Alabama beat Auburn the BCS title game was essentially set.

I heard discussed on one show that if " doomsday " would've happened and say LSU and OK St had both lost, and people still went by the " you have to win your conference rule ", then you'd have had Clemson playing Wisconsin or OK for the BCS title.

I don't think anyody would've considered those guys the 2 best teams in the country.

[Snoogans]

you guys are wasting your breath. EVERYONE who is ANYONE knows the title game clearly shoulda been Rutgers vs Boston College, in a battle of the only 2 cities anyone in the US would care about still if they took away their college football teams

[spoon]

Boise State fucked again huh!?

I don't follow it much, but man was Peterson attacking the BCS, seemingly just fucking DONE with it.

Isn't he constantly trying to up his SOS too but teams won't take their game for obvious reasons?

[epo]

I'd be good with that Clemson/Wisconsin national title game.

[Snoogans]

Boise State fucked again huh!?

I don't follow it much, but man was Peterson attacking the BCS, seemingly just fucking DONE with it.

Isn't he constantly trying to up his SOS too but teams won't take their game for obvious reasons?

boise state lost to an unranked TCU and didnt even win their conference. They have NO right this year to complain about anything

[Snoogans]

Boise State fucked again huh!?

I don't follow it much, but man was Peterson attacking the BCS, seemingly just fucking DONE with it.

Isn't he constantly trying to up his SOS too but teams won't take their game for obvious reasons?

and the obvious reasons arent so obvious. I think ozzie pointed it out way back in this thread, but they claim they will play anytime anywhere. But if you try to play them, they want 825K AND a return game to their shitty stadium and stupid field. 825K AND a return trip.

They act like they will play all the big boys, but its a front. Most schools cant even afford to play boise, and thats the main reason more dont

[spoon]

one loss though right?

If they are ranked BY the BCS 7 how do they get jumped?

I have to agree on that if this is the system they are supposed to be using.

Also, any team can lose on an off day, and this is what kills me with the shitty system.

[weekapaugjz]

my question is who the fuck wants to watch 2/3rds of these bowl games?

ohio/utah st
western mich/purdue
fla intl/marshall
nevada/south miss
toledo/air force
miss st/wake forest
rutgers/iowa st
tex a&m/northwestern
illinois/ucla

seriously, is there anyone who wants to watch these games? well, besides snoogans watching his shitty rutgers...

[spoon]

and the obvious reasons arent so obvious. I think ozzie pointed it out way back in this thread, but they claim they will play anytime anywhere. But if you try to play them, they want 825K AND a return game to their shitty stadium and stupid field. 825K AND a return trip.

They act like they will play all the big boys, but its a front. Most schools cant even afford to play boise, and thats the main reason more dont

you know this to be true or it's spec?

regardless, most teams around their normal rank can afford that easy

[spoon]

my question is who the fuck wants to watch 2/3rds of these bowl games?

ohio/utah st
western mich/purdue
fla intl/marshall
nevada/south miss
toledo/air force
miss st/wake forest
rutgers/iowa st
tex a&m/northwestern
illinois/ucla

seriously, is there anyone who wants to watch these games? well, besides snoogans watching his shitty rutgers...

stupid alumni cunts

[Snoogans]

one loss though right?

If they are ranked BY the BCS 7 how do they get jumped?

I have to agree on that if this is the system they are supposed to be using.

Also, any team can lose on an off day, and this is what kills me with the shitty system.

do you mean they were 7th and how did they get jumped without losing? or you mean they finsihed 7th and a team behind them went to a BCS and they didnt?

[spoon]

do you mean they were 7th and how did they get jumped without losing? or you mean they finsihed 7th and a team behind them went to a BCS and they didnt?

the one that happened (the latter), bc we all know they lost

[Snoogans]

you know this to be true or it's spec?

regardless, most teams around their normal rank can afford that easy

it was an article espn ran that ozzie posted in here showing all the shit you have to agree to for bosie to come play you at your place.

And sure, most SEC and big ten schools can afford it. But boise plays 9-10 really bad teams a year, and like 2 or 3 good - great ones.

Teams in those other conferences play 4-5 bad teams a year, and 6-8 really good or great ones. Why the fuck SHOULD they add another tough game?

What boise needs to do is lower its fees and demands and start playin some of the lower level teams. Instead of tryin to get bama and auburn and teams like that. Go play a few games every year against teams like iowa, Kansas State. If you beat them consistantly, then they cant question you. But they have as much to do with not gettin the biggest of big to play them as the others do.

For example, if you agree to a return trip for a game, most schools dont charge a fee. When Penn State and rutgers agree to play a 4 year series, they didnt charge fees. they just did 2 in jersey and 2 in PA. Why cant boise just do that?

[Snoogans]

the one that happened (the latter), bc we all know they lost

ill have to look exactly at the matchups, but most likely the lower ranked team in the BCS won its conference that has an automatic bid. Im gonna go ahead and assume you are reffering to West Virginia, cause they blow. But the Big East, as of now, champion gets an auto bid to a BCS game. in fact, of the 8 spots in the BCS games, only 2 arent tied up by auto conference bids. hence why the schools not in those conferences rarely get to go.

Had houston not lost to So Miss in the conf champ, they woulda got a BCS spot.

The BCS has proposed eliminating all auto bids to anything other than the top 2 getting hte championship game, which would eliminate that. Under the proposed plan, boise woulda got in one this year

[epo]

it was an article espn ran that ozzie posted in here showing all the shit you have to agree to for bosie to come play you at your place.

And sure, most SEC and big ten schools can afford it. But boise plays 9-10 really bad teams a year, and like 2 or 3 good - great ones.

Teams in those other conferences play 4-5 bad teams a year, and 6-8 really good or great ones. Why the fuck SHOULD they add another tough game?

What boise needs to do is lower its fees and demands and start playin some of the lower level teams. Instead of tryin to get bama and auburn and teams like that. Go play a few games every year against teams like iowa, Kansas State. If you beat them consistantly, then they cant question you. But they have as much to do with not gettin the biggest of big to play them as the others do.

For example, if you agree to a return trip for a game, most schools dont charge a fee. When Penn State and rutgers agree to play a 4 year series, they didnt charge fees. they just did 2 in jersey and 2 in PA. Why cant boise just do that?

You know why they can't: they can't prove they are a sham.

[Snoogans]

the one that happened (the latter), bc we all know they lost

and i didnt mean lost during the season. Before boise lost, they got jumped a few times cause they were beating bums and the schools right behind them were beating higher ranked teams. I believe Ok State and Stanford jumped them even before they lost. Which is why i wasnt sure what you meant at first

so i thought you meant they got jumped in the final poll even though they didnt lose that week

[Snoogans]

You know why they can't: they can't prove they are a sham.

i agree. its alot easier to beat those big schools that boise has when you had a month or all off season to prepare and its only 1 or 2 games a year. meanwhile the school you are playin has to prepare normally cause they can focus on just one massive game and hope the talent will get them by in the others.

Thats why boise beat georgia. Their entire offseason was beating georgia, and georgias was winning the SEC.

If boise played even 4 ranked or close to ranked teams a year, they would NEVER go undefeated, in my opinion

[spoon]

For example, if you agree to a return trip for a game, most schools dont charge a fee. When Penn State and rutgers agree to play a 4 year series, they didnt charge fees. they just did 2 in jersey and 2 in PA. Why cant boise just do that?

Bc the kids in Boise just aren't hot enough for PSU to do the same deal with them? :devil2:

[epo]

i agree. its alot easier to beat those big schools that boise has when you had a month or all off season to prepare and its only 1 or 2 games a year. meanwhile the school you are playin has to prepare normally cause they can focus on just one massive game and hope the talent will get them by in the others.

Thats why boise beat georgia. Their entire offseason was beating georgia, and georgias was winning the SEC.

If boise played even 4 ranked or close to ranked teams a year, they would NEVER go undefeated, in my opinion

Exactly. It's not that a Boise or TCU can't win in a one-off game, actually they are pretty good at it.

But being in a real conference is a whole different matter. That grind is something that beats the hell out of these teams.

[Snoogans]

Bc the kids in Boise just aren't hot enough for PSU to do the same deal with them? :devil2:

i knew i shoulda used UCLA or Miami as the example but i wanted to use a team from the big ten or SEC for the boise example cause lets face it (and the big ten is only barely hanging on) every other conference is inferior by a LARGE margin

[Snoogans]

Exactly. It's not that a Boise or TCU can't win in a one-off game, actually they are pretty good at it.

But being in a real conference is a whole different matter. That grind is something that beats the hell out of these teams.

thats because, and ill admit i dont hate either team, even though its funny to mock them, they have great coaching. both teams guys do a HELL of a job with the players they get, and a hell of a job choosing guys. Most of their real high end talent comes in guys who were too big of problems academically or criminally for the major programs to take a risk on.

I give the coahces all the credit in the world, they are very good and very good at coming up with gameplans for the team they are playing. But anyone who tries to tell me they would consistantly be THAT good at preparing for those kind of teams if they had to do it almost every week, i think those people are fuckin insane.

[spoon]

we'll you know me, i only follow this all loosely

i guess it all comes down to me wanting a fucking playoff for once to put this shit all to bed, everyone worth their salt would at least have a shot, many top level schools and a few top ranked mid majors who claim to be worthy. that and only that would put it to rest

[Snoogans]

we'll you know me, i only follow this all loosely

i guess it all comes down to me wanting a fucking playoff for once to put this shit all to bed, everyone worth their salt would at least have a shot, many top level schools and a few top ranked mid majors who claim to be worthy. that and only that would put it to rest

i agree, and i figured out a way to do a playoff and have all the BCS bowls actually make MORE money and keep the BCS. it wouldnt be perfect because it wouldnt use any conference bids, just the BCS ranking.

You take the BCS top 8, You hold an 8 team tourney over the off weeks that are already too many before the title game anyway. (i dont wanna hear this cuts into class shit, class ends at most schools in mid december. they have plenty of weeks off to do this)

You play the first round (4 games) in the 4 BCS bowl sites, sugar, orange, fiesta and rose, and you put the teams to the geographically closest stadium for their game.

as it is now, each year one of those places gets an extra game, the National champ game. Well, now each year, THREE of those places get an extra game, since there would be 3 more in the playoff. And then you rotate the one who doesnt get the 2nd game each year.

You have paid the BCS, you have paid the bowls and comittees, and you still have however many bowl eligible teams of the 112 remaining to fill the other bowls, whcih you keep as is, since to some people, its still fun to get 33 games to watch in 5 weeks.

[Snoogans]

we'll you know me, i only follow this all loosely

i guess it all comes down to me wanting a fucking playoff for once to put this shit all to bed, everyone worth their salt would at least have a shot, many top level schools and a few top ranked mid majors who claim to be worthy. that and only that would put it to rest

i will add. if you get up to 16 or 32 teams, then the playoff would start to take up too much time. it would cut back into finals time. so that seems unrealistic. I like the BCS top 8 thing cause any time a mid major runs the table, they are pretty much always in the top 8 at worst. So that would cover them too.

Im tryin to do this while considering that you still have to take care of all the people who make money now. Im tryin to do it in a way it could actually get approved

[spoon]

i will add. if you get up to 16 or 32 teams, then the playoff would start to take up too much time. it would cut back into finals time. so that seems unrealistic. I like the BCS top 8 thing cause any time a mid major runs the table, they are pretty much always in the top 8 at worst. So that would cover them too.

Im tryin to do this while considering that you still have to take care of all the people who make money now. Im tryin to do it in a way it could actually get approved

I've said very sim things, and anyone that doesn't make the cut, have at it with some other old bowl games that lead into the big games for the big prize.

[Snoogans]

I've said very sim things, and anyone that doesn't make the cut, have at it with some other old bowl games that lead into the big games for the big prize.

yea i really love the idea of keeping the old games. there is a ton of history in the cotton bowl and gator bowl and shit. Maybe we can cut them back a few, since there is like 36 or something now. but id like to have a good 20-25 bowl games to go along with the 7 playoff games in my system. And if that means a few teams who are bowl eligible at 6-6 dont get in, well then, win a couple more fuckin games next year.

[spoon]

yea i really love the idea of keeping the old games. there is a ton of history in the cotton bowl and gator bowl and shit. Maybe we can cut them back a few, since there is like 36 or something now. but id like to have a good 20-25 bowl games to go along with the 7 playoff games in my system. And if that means a few teams who are bowl eligible at 6-6 dont get in, well then, win a couple more fuckin games next year.

not to mention they pretty much get to draw from the remaining top teams and shit teams that travel well if they like bc truly most wouldn't care at that level in the same way

take ND to the cotton vs PSU for your money, even if ranked 38 and 29

i don't give two fucks as long as the top 8 get in the big dance.

[weekapaugjz]

don't forget about the storied history of the beef 'o' brady's bowl!

[Snoogans]

not to mention they pretty much get to draw from the remaining top teams and shit teams that travel well if they like bc truly most wouldn't care at that level in the same way

take ND to the cotton vs PSU for your money, even if ranked 38 and 29

i don't give two fucks as long as the top 8 get in the big dance.

thats why everyone loves rutgers being bowl eligible. They suck, usually, but for some reason rutgers jerkoffs love traveling to bowl games. they had like 30K tickets sold to a bowl game they played in fuckin arizona or something one year.

And yea, its perfect with top 8 cause you still have some big time programs in the other bowls. Who wouldnt wanna see like auburn vs michigan or something like that in the liberty bowl

[Snoogans]

don't forget about the storied history of the beef 'o' brady's bowl!

how dare you sir. Rutgers proud history of winning the first every beef o bradys bowl should not be mocked. IT SHOULD BE PUT IN MUSEUMS FOR THE MONUMENTAL SIGNIFICANCE

[spoon]

don't forget about the storied history of the beef 'o' brady's bowl!

ur just hungry aren't you?

[spoon]

thats why everyone loves rutgers being bowl eligible. They suck, usually, but for some reason rutgers jerkoffs love traveling to bowl games. they had like 30K tickets sold to a bowl game they played in fuckin arizona or something one year.

And yea, its perfect with top 8 cause you still have some big time programs in the other bowls. Who wouldnt wanna see like auburn vs michigan or something like that in the liberty bowl

probably bc ne peeps actually aren't afraid of boarding "thunder birds" and make enough to do so

[Snacks]

Explain to me how they had a tougher schedule when I broke diwn the numbers for you.

Alabama played 3 teams that won 10+ games and OK St played 1.

Sure one of those teams was Ga Southern but even if you dropped that game they still played LSU and ARK.

ARK's 2 losses were to Alabama and LSU the #1 and #2 in the country.

OK, the only 10 win opponent of OK St, lost to Texas Tech which finished the season unranked at 5-7 and only won 1 other game in that conference and that was against a team that didn't win any games in the conference ( Kanas ).

I'll give you 1 more thing to show you that OK St's schedule was weaker.

They both played a game against a BCS conference team.

Alabama beat a Penn St team that's only other losses were to Wisconsin and Mich St which both played for the conference's title.

OK St played Arizona which is unranked at 4-8 with losses to Colorado and Wash St ( teams with a combined record of 6-19 ).

Incidentally that same shitty AZ team beat ULL a common opponent of OK St's.

That must've been what makes OK St's schedule so much harder. Beating a team that a team w/ only 3 wins beat.

In the end Alabama's win against ARK and loss to LSU were better than ANYTHING that OK St did all year.

Again if we give ARK a break for the death they had on their team who's to say they don't play better against LSU and then you have 3 teams all 11-1 ?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16340652/oklahoma-state-has-the-resume-for-the-bcs-title-game-but-is-it-enough

here you go.

Three more wins against top 25 BCS teams. Three more victories against teams with winning records. Two more wins against teams .500 or better. A schedule featuring an average opponent that ranks 20 places better in the Sagarin rankings.

Better victories against a tougher schedule.

Now imagine Oklahoma State's name is Alabama's.

Maybe that would do the trick. Maybe then folks could wrap their minds around the fact that Oklahoma State -- no more Chokie State -- has played a tougher schedule and has more quality victories than Alabama.

[ozzie]

my question is who the fuck wants to watch 2/3rds of these bowl games?

ohio/utah st
western mich/purdue
fla intl/marshall
nevada/south miss
toledo/air force
miss st/wake forest
rutgers/iowa st
tex a&m/northwestern
illinois/ucla

seriously, is there anyone who wants to watch these games? well, besides snoogans watching his shitty rutgers...

Sadly... I'll probably watch almost every one of those.

Had houston not lost to So Miss in the conf champ, they woulda got a BCS spot.

Ha. Southern Miss didn't get a fucking MINUTE to enjoy that win. Before the coach left the field, the chick sideline reporter immediately asked him how he felt about costing his conference an $11 Mil payday.

i will add. if you get up to 16 or 32 teams, then the playoff would start to take up too much time. it would cut back into finals time. so that seems unrealistic. I like the BCS top 8 thing cause any time a mid major runs the table, they are pretty much always in the top 8 at worst. So that would cover them too.

Im tryin to do this while considering that you still have to take care of all the people who make money now. Im tryin to do it in a way it could actually get approved

See above. Winning your conference has to mean something. Houston only snuck into the BCS top-10 very late in the season, and only because of massive attrition by teams ranked ahead of them. And now, So Miss knocking them off just fucked that conference.

This is why I would advocate a system that included all the conference winners. It shouldn't just be another popularity contest like we have now.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16340652/oklahoma-state-has-the-resume-for-the-bcs-title-game-but-is-it-enough

here you go.

After watching a helluva lot of SEC football again this year, I'm telling you, this was a DOWN year for the SEC. The two Mississippi schools were god awful. Tennessee and Kentucky were almost as bad. Auburn, Florida and Vandy round out the middle, and none of them were above average, and South Carolina wasn't too far above this level for most of the year (they lost at home to Auburn. Nuff said). Their schedule was weak. And UGA avoided bama, lsu and arky in conf play, so their record looked respectable at the end, but it didn't mean much.

The only thing the SEC can use to compare themselves to other conferences were the wins by lsu over oregon in their opener, and bama shutting down penn state's offense early in the year. lsu picked up another road win at WVU, for what it's worth.

And I just don't get the love for Arkansas. No way they're the 6th best team in the country. They were pretty much man handled by both bama and lsu. Yes, those were their only losses, but look at their schedule. aTm owned them for most of their game, and they beat average Auburn and USCe teams at home. That's about it.

So basically we're looking at two very good defensive teams in lsu and bama, and the rest. Yes, the SEC has a lot of teams still ranked, but there's a lot of SEC bias in the voting too. I mean, come on, Auburn is STILL ranked in the bcs with 5 losses, and ZERO coaches had them in their top-25 final ballot, including CHIZIK.

So who are these teams that mighty bammer beat up on? Florida WAS ranked when they played, but not any more, and as much as I love my alma mater, Auburn does not qualify as a "ranked team". That leaves #22 Penn State and overrated Arkansas. That's about it.

The best thing you can say about bama is that they did not have a "let down", or an off week. They were a consistently good team all year, that couldn't put it in the endzone against lsu when they had their chance.

I just don't see how that qualifies them as being undeniably better than OkState.

[CountryBob]

I feel a little guilty that VA TECH was given the Sugar Bowl - after getting blown out by Clemson (again!) :flush:. But, it was a gift, and so I will cheer on my team. They will be a lock to win - they only lose to Clemson.....

[disneyspy]

I feel a little guilty that VA TECH was given the Sugar Bowl - after getting blown out by Clemson (again!) :flush:. But, it was a gift, and so I will cheer on my team. They will be a lock to win - they only lose to Clemson.....

even tho va tech has a higher ranking, michigan is playing defense this year BLUE BY 7

[ozzie]

I feel a little guilty that VA TECH was given the Sugar Bowl - after getting blown out by Clemson (again!) :flush:. But, it was a gift, and so I will cheer on my team. They will be a lock to win - they only lose to Clemson.....

At least your team played for your conference championship.

Michigan?

And for all the talk of bama not winning their division... neither did Stanford.

[ozzie]

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[Snoogans]

Sadly... I'll probably watch almost every one of those.



Ha. Southern Miss didn't get a fucking MINUTE to enjoy that win. Before the coach left the field, the chick sideline reporter immediately asked him how he felt about costing his conference an $11 Mil payday.



See above. Winning your conference has to mean something. Houston only snuck into the BCS top-10 very late in the season, and only because of massive attrition by teams ranked ahead of them. And now, So Miss knocking them off just fucked that conference.

This is why I would advocate a system that included all the conference winners. It shouldn't just be another popularity contest like we have now.



After watching a helluva lot of SEC football again this year, I'm telling you, this was a DOWN year for the SEC. The two Mississippi schools were god awful. Tennessee and Kentucky were almost as bad. Auburn, Florida and Vandy round out the middle, and none of them were above average, and South Carolina wasn't too far above this level for most of the year (they lost at home to Auburn. Nuff said). Their schedule was weak. And UGA avoided bama, lsu and arky in conf play, so their record looked respectable at the end, but it didn't mean much.

The only thing the SEC can use to compare themselves to other conferences were the wins by lsu over oregon in their opener, and bama shutting down penn state's offense early in the year. lsu picked up another road win at WVU, for what it's worth.

And I just don't get the love for Arkansas. No way they're the 6th best team in the country. They were pretty much man handled by both bama and lsu. Yes, those were their only losses, but look at their schedule. aTm owned them for most of their game, and they beat average Auburn and USCe teams at home. That's about it.

So basically we're looking at two very good defensive teams in lsu and bama, and the rest. Yes, the SEC has a lot of teams still ranked, but there's a lot of SEC bias in the voting too. I mean, come on, Auburn is STILL ranked in the bcs with 5 losses, and ZERO coaches had them in their top-25 final ballot, including CHIZIK.

So who are these teams that mighty bammer beat up on? Florida WAS ranked when they played, but not any more, and as much as I love my alma mater, Auburn does not qualify as a "ranked team". That leaves #22 Penn State and overrated Arkansas. That's about it.

The best thing you can say about bama is that they did not have a "let down", or an off week. They were a consistently good team all year, that couldn't put it in the endzone against lsu when they had their chance.

I just don't see how that qualifies them as being undeniably better than OkState.

again, if you read back, i wasnt sayin my idea should be how it is. Im simply tryin to figure it out in a way it would have a chance. The NCAA and all involved would never agree to a 16 or a 32. If you just keep the BCS and use the top 8, that might actually have a chance

and then winning your conference would still mean something, entry into one of the 20-25 other bowls

[ozzie]

i will add. if you get up to 16 or 32 teams, then the playoff would start to take up too much time. it would cut back into finals time. so that seems unrealistic. I like the BCS top 8 thing cause any time a mid major runs the table, they are pretty much always in the top 8 at worst. So that would cover them too.

Im tryin to do this while considering that you still have to take care of all the people who make money now. Im tryin to do it in a way it could actually get approved

I don't like the "student athlete" argument, since every other level of college football manages to have a playoff system with just as many teams.

The "bowl season" runs from 12/17 thru 1/9 this year. The teams that don't play until January are practicing through December anyway.

If it's that big a deal, knock off one of the useless non-conference games and shorten the regular season by a week.

This year is a good example of why winning your conference should matter. I just can't see Boise State getting in over TCU or some of the other small conference winners.

I know we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.

I just think that 5 "at large" spots ensures that the top 8 teams will be included, but also covers teams like Clemson, So Miss and TCU who won their conferences over higher ranked teams from the same conf.

Yeah, there's probably some mis-matches in the first round, but they can say that they had their shot.

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6421/ncaaplayoffbracket12061.jpg

[ozzie]

again, if you read back, i wasnt sayin my idea should be how it is. Im simply tryin to figure it out in a way it would have a chance. The NCAA and all involved would never agree to a 16 or a 32. If you just keep the BCS and use the top 8, that might actually have a chance

and then winning your conference would still mean something, entry into one of the 20-25 other bowls

Didn't see this before I posted.

I don't know about "all involved" (I'm assuming you're talking about old money bowl folks and such), but the NCAA runs the "FCS" playoffs, which include 20 teams (most AQ's), and goes a week longer than a 16 team bracket:

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/1055/fcsncaaplayoffs2011.jpg

That's the ironic thing. The NCAA runs the FCS playoffs, but the NCAA actually has NOTHING to do with how the "FBS" champion is decided. Their control stops at the conference champions.

They just "allow" schools to participate in bowls and the "BCS" game.

[Snacks]

I guess Boise St is tired of this shit so they are joining the big eat in 2 seasons

http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/33728643

They need to change the name. How can a team from Houston and SD and Idaho be in a conf called the big east?

[CountryBob]

I guess Boise St is tired of this shit so they are joining the big eat in 2 seasonshttp://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/33728643

They need to change the name. How can a team from Houston and SD and Idaho be in a conf called the big east?

The Big Eat? Now I'm starving!

[Snoogans]

Didn't see this before I posted.

I don't know about "all involved" (I'm assuming you're talking about old money bowl folks and such), but the NCAA runs the "FCS" playoffs, which include 20 teams (most AQ's), and goes a week longer than a 16 team bracket:

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/1055/fcsncaaplayoffs2011.jpg

That's the ironic thing. The NCAA runs the FCS playoffs, but the NCAA actually has NOTHING to do with how the "FBS" champion is decided. Their control stops at the conference champions.

They just "allow" schools to participate in bowls and the "BCS" game.

by all involved, basically i meant the NCAA, the BCS, and mainly the rose, fiesta, sugar and orange bowl committees. Im also proposing to keep the 20 most major non BCS bowls, so i guess the committees for like the gator and cotton bowl, etc, are included in that too

[Snoogans]

oh, also, i just got a text from espn. according to their report, the big east is about to add Boise State, Houston, SMU, Central Florida and San Diego State.



??????????????????

[spoon]

I guess Boise St is tired of this shit so they are joining the big eat in 2 seasons

http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/33728643

They need to change the name. How can a team from Houston and SD and Idaho be in a conf called the big east?

Doesn't this fly in the face of the arguments against Boise actually wanting to up it's comp? I know the Big East and other confs are all over the place now, but it has to show something.

[Snoogans]

Doesn't this fly in the face of the arguments against Boise actually wanting to up it's comp? I know the Big East and other confs are all over the place now, but it has to show something.

actually no, in terms of perception

By perception, the big east is weak, and most people (myself included) think the mountain west is actually a better conference. BUT, the MWC does not get an auto bid into a BCS game. Big east (through 2013 anyway) does. So theoretically, boise no longer has to go undefeated to make a BCS bowl, they would only have to win their conference.

Which they didnt do this year, btw.

the problem is, the big east most likely wont have an auto bid by 2014, and chances are there wont even be autobids by then. so its kinda stupid.

And i got a different report than snacks, idaho is not coming. the 5 teams, according to espn are

Boise, UCF, Houston, SMU, and SDSU.

The ONLY one who makes sense is Central Florida

also you have to remember spoon, Pitt, Cuse, and WV are all leaving the big east, so boise will never even play them.

[Snacks]

actually no, in terms of perception

By perception, the big east is weak, and most people (myself included) think the mountain west is actually a better conference. BUT, the MWC does not get an auto bid into a BCS game. Big east (through 2013 anyway) does. So theoretically, boise no longer has to go undefeated to make a BCS bowl, they would only have to win their conference.

Which they didnt do this year, btw.

the problem is, the big east most likely wont have an auto bid by 2014, and chances are there wont even be autobids by then. so its kinda stupid.

And i got a different report than snacks, idaho is not coming. the 5 teams, according to espn are

Boise, UCF, Houston, SMU, and SDSU.

The ONLY one who makes sense is Central Florida

also you have to remember spoon, Pitt, Cuse, and WV are all leaving the big east, so boise will never even play them.

When I said a team from Idaho I was talking about Boise St but I did word it fucked up.

[Snoogans]

When I said a team from Idaho I was talking about Boise St but I did word it fucked up.

yea its awesome. a team from idaho, 2 teams from texas and a team in fuckin SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

Big East. Although, why not just leave it big east. shit, there is 12 teams in the big ten. and there is 10 teams in the big 12. so fuck it

[spoon]

REAL BIG EAST? :laugh:

[ozzie]

Whatever realignment happens will likely be a temporary arrangement before the next evolution of 16 team "Super Conferences".

South Alabama is joining the Sun Belt soon, and other schools considering making the jump are Delaware, Villanova, UMass, Appalachian State, Montana, North Dakota, Northern Iowa, New Hampshire, Youngstown State, Southern Illinois and Georgia Southern.

If any of these do more up, they would likely get absorbed by the WAC, MAC, C-USA, Sun Belt and Big East, but the "BCS" conferences are still considering getting to 16, so others could "move up".

Now that the SEC is up to 14, the others won't sit idle, and the "Big 12" won't stay at only 8 schools for long.

This is just the beginning.

There's still hope for Rutgers to end up in the Big sixTEeN.

[Snoogans]

Whatever realignment happens will likely be a temporary arrangement before the next evolution of 16 team "Super Conferences".

South Alabama is joining the Sun Belt soon, and other schools considering making the jump are Delaware, Villanova, UMass, Appalachian State, Montana, North Dakota, Northern Iowa, New Hampshire, Youngstown State, Southern Illinois and Georgia Southern.

If any of these do more up, they would likely get absorbed by the WAC, MAC, C-USA, Sun Belt and Big East, but the "BCS" conferences are still considering getting to 16, so others could "move up".

Now that the SEC is up to 14, the others won't sit idle, and the "Big 12" won't stay at only 8 schools for long.

This is just the beginning.

There's still hope for Rutgers to end up in the Big sixTEeN.

if the ACC doesnt make a move to 16 before the big ten, rutgers will definately end up there. everything fits really well, and to be honest, and sadly, everything fits pretty well for the ACC too. So im not worried about Rutgers. Im just lookin at the general stupidity of everything

[newport king]

i just read the last 3 pages of this thread and realize how much i hate college football's system.

So instead of changing to a snoogans like playoff (number of teams can be debated) lets keep what we have in place, because why? Because that's the way it is? Thats fuckin dumb. I think ozzie posted the playoff tree div. 2 schools use. How hard would that be? And you're telling me the NCAA has nothing to do with the BCS system? They just "allow" that schools to play? Then who the fuck is the BCS? Tell them to agree to a change or get fucked.

[ozzie]

i just read the last 3 pages of this thread and realize how much i hate college football's system.

So instead of changing to a snoogans like playoff (number of teams can be debated) lets keep what we have in place, because why? Because that's the way it is? Thats fuckin dumb. I think ozzie posted the playoff tree div. 2 schools use. How hard would that be? And you're telling me the NCAA has nothing to do with the BCS system? They just "allow" that schools to play? Then who the fuck is the BCS? Tell them to agree to a change or get fucked.

Yup. The "BCS" is not run by the NCAA.

From their site:

The BCS is not an entity. Instead, it is an event managed by the 11 NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision conferences -- all of them "BCS Conferences" -- and the University of Notre Dame. The conferences are Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Conference USA, Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt, Pacific-10, Southeastern and Western Athletic.

Basically... the "BCS" was created and run by the 11 conferences... which are run by the schools.

I'm not sure if it was posted within the last 3 pages, but I had also posted a link to an ESPN article stating that the "BCS" was discussing breaking ties with the bowl games, and becoming their own "event".

Sources: BCS proposes radical changes (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7248953/bcs-proposes-only-handling-national-championship-game-sources-say)

But, yes, the biggest problem is that the NCAA "allows" this to happen in D-1A. They have given up all control of how a "champion" is determined. They don't do this is any other level of college football, nor in any other major sport.

The NCAA runs the D-1AA football playoff just like they run D-1A college basketball tournament. They determine what schools qualify, where the games will be played... every detail.

The university presidents won't come out and admit it, but they obviously don't want to yeild their power or control over D-1A football "post season" to the NCAA, or, more to the point, don't want the NCAA controlling the money.

I don't see that changing.

BUT... back to the ESPN article... breaking ties with the bowl games is a positive movement towards a playoff. Basically, it would act as it's own bowl game, hosted wherever and whenever they want, and they would throw out "invitations". I'm sure it would start with 2, but Stanford's AD has already come out today and said that he sees a "plus one" (4 team "playoff") being "inevitible".

Once they break, there's nothing stopping them from inviting 4 teams to come play in their "event". Or 8 teams. Whatever the university presidents agree to. But, that's the catch. The university presidents won't agree to anything unless it's in their intere$t, and unless their school has a legitimate chance to be included.

This is why I keep going back to foreseeing a system that ulitmately includes all conference champions with guaranteed spots. I just don't see them all agreeing to any other system. And it's their right to decide to participate or not. Remember, when the "bowl coalition" first started, the Big10 and Pac10 didn't join, and kept their alliance with the Rose Bowl. It wasn't until they realized the payday their conferences (and the Rose Bowl as well) were missing out on, that they agreed to join the "BCS".

A change is definitely coming. When, and whether it's what everyone wants or not is yet to be determined.

[ozzie]

Here's where I got the stuff from the Stanford AD, etc.


From plus-one to NCAA split, major change on college football horizon (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/12/07/img-forum-plus-one-ncaa/index.html)

[newport king]

and u know what the sick thing is? if they made a 8/10/12/16 team tourney (just grab all the conference winners) theyd make a SHIT TON of money

[ozzie]

and u know what the sick thing is? if they made a 8/10/12/16 team tourney (just grab all the conference winners) theyd make a SHIT TON of money

I'm sure they're aware of this, in theory. But there's a lot of network and sponsor money involved in the regular season and current bowl games, and someone has to ensure them that they'd be able to hang on to those deals, and then some.

Then, of course, there's the question of who manages the money, and the distribution.

[CountryBob]

I'm sure they're aware of this, in theory. But there's a lot of network and sponsor money involved in the regular season and current bowl games, and someone has to ensure them that they'd be able to hang on to those deals, and then some.

Then, of course, there's the question of who manages the money, and the distribution.

I will manage the money :smoke:

[disneyspy]

damn! what a run by RG III

[weekapaugjz]

damn! what a run by RG III

yeah, that was awesome.

[hanso]

damn! what a run by RG III

Crap, forgot this was on switching over now.

[weekapaugjz]

wow. washington is going off right now.

[disneyspy]

wow. washington is going off right now.

its fucking crazy,they were down 21-7 just a few minutes ago it seems

[weekapaugjz]

i almost wrote this game off after that third baylor TD. should be an interesting second half.

[weekapaugjz]

aaaaaaaand baylor's right back in it.

[weekapaugjz]

and a nice 2 point conversion

[weekapaugjz]

this is fucking ridiculous.

[Jayw]

There is no fucking defense in these bowl games this year. Everthing the O does works

[cougarjake13]

Turned on a football game and a basketball game broke out

[CountryBob]

I prefer a lot of scoring against a snore fest of defense dominance...

[ozzie]

There is no fucking defense in these bowl games this year. Everthing the O does works

You must not have watched the early game yesterday.

Nothing worked for FSU in the first half, and not much went right for ND in the second.

Historically, defensive coordinators tend to have the edge going into bowl games. Especially later ones (new year's day, and on). There are more days to watch film, learn OC tendencies, and prepare for the other offense than there are days they're allowed to practice and install new sets and plays.

Last year's MNC game had the O/U at upwards of almost 70 pts. Final score was 22 - 19.

[cougarjake13]

That's why I don't like to bet

[ozzie]

That's why I don't like to bet

Yep. Hard to tell how teams will play after this long of a layoff.

Kinda wish I'd taken the day off. I forgot there were 4 games today.

Stuck watching the score change on "Gamecast" at work, and will be in traffic for most of the Rutgers game.

Not a lot of offense in this one so far.

[ozzie]

Trying to follow that BYU game on fucking "gamecast" was brutal.

Seemed like a nice drive at the end to win it.

Another one that comes in well short of the O/U line.

[cougarjake13]

What was the line on that one