Game of Thrones Book Discussion Thread: SPOILER ZONE 3000 - ENTER AT YOUR PERIL!!!

[StanUpshaw]

This thread is for people who want to discuss the TV series, but who have already read the books, so everything is fair game. If ASoIaF is new to you, stop reading now, or else you'll learn things like how the Lannisters execute Ned Stark at the end of Book 1.

[StanUpshaw]

I thought episode one was just 'OK'. Nothing blew me away, but it was pretty true to the book, and the book takes its time to build up steam as well.

The only thing that I would criticize is how rushed the dire wolf scene was. It's a pretty huge moment, and they buzzed through it in two minutes. More time for big Dothraki titties, so I guess it works out.

As far as the cast goes, thumbs up for Arya, Jon, Theon & Viserys, thumbs down for most of the Lannisters. Tyrion is not nearly as grotesque as he should be, but it's way more important to have a good actor in the role. Cersei & Jamie don't seem attractive enough, and they don't look alike at all. Joff didn't seem anywhere near as hateable as he should be. The rest were fine.

My first impressions are that I'm going to find most of the political stuff pretty tedious. There is no way they'll be able to find actors that live up to Baelish, Varys, or Tyrion (Dinkledge is good, but he gets kinda hammy sometimes). It feels like I'm going to be wishing for it to be the Jon Snow show. The wall and beyond is what is really begging to be brought to the screen. Shifty people whispering secret plots is pretty well-traveled territory. Nevertheless, I don't see myself ever missing an episode.

[Gutter]

Really dude? Couldn't just make a thread where we could discuss the show episode by episode? Had to throw that bear trap in there on the first post didn't ya?


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[Pitdoc]

Really dude? Couldn't just make a thread where we could discuss the show episode by episode? Had to throw that bear trap in there on the first post didn't ya?


http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2843984&posted=1#post2843984

I agree. Gee thanks Stan!!!! By the way, Rosebud was the sled, they were ALL the killer in Murder on the Orient Express, and the chick in The Crying Game was a GUY!!!!

[StanUpshaw]

The thing that bothers me now is that Bran has escaped Winterfell, but the two frog-eater kids were never introduced. They're kinda important to the story.

I was thinking about that too.

It seems like they made an appearance in the first season...I bet we meet up with them soon.

Wasn't the dragon theft was a departure from the book, too?

I'm guessing they're changing around her interaction with the faggoty warlocks into something that makes a little more sense than whatever that fucking incomprehensible vision quest was. House with the red door. House with the red door. House with the red door.

[IamFogHat]

I was thinking about that too.

It seems like they made an appearance in the first season...I bet we meet up with them soon.

Wasn't the dragon theft was a departure from the book, too?

I'm guessing they're changing around her interaction with the faggoty warlocks into something that makes a little more sense than whatever that fucking incomprehensible vision quest was. House with the red door. House with the red door. House with the red door.

Yeah you're right, the dragons don't get stolen in the book.

[HBox]

I think I'm done after this season. :sad:

Frankly there are too many characters that I can't even remember the names of and there are too many storylines going on at once. Plus, I'm finding I don't give a shit about any of these storylines.

They killed off two of the three best characters in the first season IMO and now the only things I care to see are Joffrey being brutally murdered, Daenerys getting naked again and the fucking White Walkers. Unless one of those three happen or are promised to happen shortly into season 3, then I think I'm out.

If you don't like characters getting killed off that's a perfect time to jump ship.

[IamFogHat]

If you don't like characters getting killed off that's a perfect time to jump ship.

Especially if he likes dogs and weddings.

[King Imp]

If you don't like characters getting killed off that's a perfect time to jump ship.

Especially if he likes dogs and weddings.

Dogs, yes. Weddings, kill them all. :tongue:
It's not that I don't like characters being killed off. It's just that aside from Tyrion there is no one on the show that I give a shit about.

[IamFogHat]

Dogs, yes. Weddings, kill them all. :tongue:
It's not that I don't like characters being killed off. It's just that aside from Tyrion there is no one on the show that I give a shit about.

What about Arya?

[Furtherman]

BUMP.



Use this thread for any spoliers regarding the books and how they might pertain to the HBO series.

[CountryBob]

Cool - didnt know this existed.

Anyone else dying to find out how Catelyn mixes back into the storyline?
Being dead and all?

[Furtherman]

This thread is for people who want to discuss the TV series, but who have already read the books, so everything is fair game. If ASoIaF is new to you, stop reading now, or else you'll learn things like how the Lannisters execute Ned Stark at the end of Book 1.

Wow. Glad I never saw this. Dick move.

[StanUpshaw]

Anyone else dying to find out how Catelyn mixes back into the storyline?
Being dead and all?

Definitely. I thought the Dondarrion storyline was great, and I was pissed off when none of it was covered in ADWD.

[StanUpshaw]

Wow. Glad I never saw this. Dick move.

You probably had sense enough to STAY OUT OF A SPOILER THREAD

[Furtherman]

You probably had sense enough to STAY OUT OF A SPOILER THREAD

You knew what you were doing.

[realmenhatelife]

I was reading the wiki of ice and fire site jumping from article to article killing time, which even though I've only read one book doesn't bother me, and after reading a bunch of articles I'm like "Holy Shit, I know the truth about Jon Snow's parentage" and I felt all good about myself until I found out that so does everyone else.

[StanUpshaw]

I was reading the wiki of ice and fire site jumping from article to article killing time, which even though I've only read one book doesn't bother me, and after reading a bunch of articles I'm like "Holy Shit, I know the truth about Jon Snow's parentage" and I felt all good about myself until I found out that so does everyone else.

Rhaegar's sister or something like that? I'm not sure if it's ever stated 100%, but that certainly seems where they're going with the whole "Dragon has three heads" thing.

[realmenhatelife]

Rhaegar's sister or something like that? I'm not sure if it's ever stated 100%, but that certainly seems where they're going with the whole "Dragon has three heads" thing.

My idea, and what I understand is a popular theory, is that Jon is the child of Rhaegar and Ned's sister and when they go to the tower of joy she makes ned promise to keep her baby safe, so he claims it's his bastard.

[StanUpshaw]

Who is the chick in the mask in Qarth?

[CountryBob]

Who is the chick in the mask in Qarth?

best I can remember is that she shows up randomly and predicts the future for Danni. I cant remember her name and I think her storyline has already differed from the books.

[Rhah]

best I can remember is that she shows up randomly and predicts the future for Danni. I cant remember her name and I think her storyline has already differed from the books.

Found her... no spoilers on this page unless you think how it is different on TV versus book is a spoiler for reading the book someday :) There is a link at bottom of page to the real book wikipedia though that probably has different spoilers.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Quaithe

[CountryBob]

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The two bodies that were hung up at the end, were they the kids from the farm Hodo and group passed?

They were - Theon didnt want anyone to know that he lost the 2 Stark boys so he killed these other 2 boys to make people think he has total control.

[TripleSkeet]

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The two bodies that were hung up at the end, were they the kids from the farm Hodo and group passed?

They were - Theon didnt want anyone to know that he lost the 2 Stark boys so he killed these other 2 boys to make people think he has total control.

I havent read the books but even I thought this was kind of obvious.

[realmenhatelife]

Is the wildling girl that Jon is leading around in the books? I know they were inventing/combining some characters to make the story work for TV.

[Chimee]

Is the wildling girl that Jon is leading around in the books? I know they were inventing/combining some characters to make the story work for TV.

Yeah, the "you know nothing, Jon Snow" line was directly from the book. They're going about the whole thing differently, though. In the book, he faked killing her and let her go.

[Rhah]

Yeah, in the books he doesn't end up looking so much like a pussy...there is a critical moment coming and we will see how they change it for the TV versus book.

She also says that You know nothing, Jon Snow like 30 times in the book over the course of their dialog, was cool to see that part brought to life.

[realmenhatelife]

So I was talking to my brother about this, doesn't it seem like Cersei kindof kills Robert for no reason? At first I thought the motivation was to preserve Joffrey's chance at the throne but she wasn't going to kill ned, just send him to the wall, and it turns out she didn't kill john aryn either, right? So either of those guys could blow the whistle on Joffrey's illegitimacy even if Robert is dead.

I know it comes into play what a bad decision maker she is, but still it's drastic. It's the impetus for the entire story, it seems built on a really flimsy decision. I was wondering if maybe the premise that Renly and Loras were trying to convince Robert to take a new queen was supposed to be bigger in the first book.

[StanUpshaw]

So I was talking to my brother about this, doesn't it seem like Cersei kindof kills Robert for no reason? At first I thought the motivation was to preserve Joffrey's chance at the throne but she wasn't going to kill ned, just send him to the wall, and it turns out she didn't kill john aryn either, right? So either of those guys could blow the whistle on Joffrey's illegitimacy even if Robert is dead.

I know it comes into play what a bad decision maker she is, but still it's drastic. It's the impetus for the entire story, it seems built on a really flimsy decision. I was wondering if maybe the premise that Renly and Loras were trying to convince Robert to take a new queen was supposed to be bigger in the first book.

I got the impression that Cersei knew Robert would have executed her, Jamie and all three children if Jon/Ned/Stannis came to him with the evidence they had.

I have no recollection of anyone but Cersei being responsible for Jon Arryn, but the wiki says it was Lysa at the prodding of Littlefinger. I don't even remember that happening, let alone what reason Littlefinger had. But I would have to assume Cersei had no knowledge of Arryn's plot, otherwise she would have needed to kill him herself. None of the Lannisters were safe as long as one of Robert's trusted friends knew the truth. Once the rumor started to spread, it was much easier just to kill Robert.

[IamFogHat]

Ok so in the books I just past in COK when the Battle of Blackwater happened. Tonight is going to be so fucking awesome.

[IamFogHat]

Did you guys care that they didn't include Tyrion's chain or the bridge of boats? I was completely satisfied with the end product of the episode, I was just curious if anyone was annoyed.

[HBox]

Did you guys care that they didn't include Tyrion's chain or the bridge of boats? I was completely satisfied with the end product of the episode, I was just curious if anyone was annoyed.

No. It would be stressful on a movie budget to film that battle as it was written, let alone a TV series. It was perfectly effective as they did it.

In fact, I'm glad they didn't go all out with Tyrion's disfigurement either. It's tough to act well through all sorts of prosthetics over half his face. The long scar will work just fine.

[IamFogHat]

Yeah agreed. Apparently the ladies really dig on Dinklage for his lOoks, I'm sure a missing nose would have infuriated them.

[StanUpshaw]

I don't mind them ditching the chain at all. He harped on the chain so much in the book, but I don't know why...I guess just to flesh out the defensive strategy and make it seem as realistic and plausible as he could [I wonder if it was based on any historical event]. That sort of detail is unnecessary when you need to cram 800 pages into 10 hours of TV.

The bridge of boats would have been awesome. Up until that point in the books, I wondered if Martin just sucked at writing action sequences, since they were so often skipped over and then revealed in the past tense. But the depiction of the bridge of boats was one of the most vivid, most exciting sections in the entire series. It was a shame to lose that.

[IamFogHat]

Interesting, looks like the Reed's aren't out after all.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/05/29/game-of-throne-season-3-cast/

[Chimee]

If Stannis' daughter is in, her fool damn well better be.

[IamFogHat]

If Stannis' daughter is in, her fool damn well better be.

The shadows come to dance my lord, dance my lord...

[IamFogHat]

What are you're guys' thoughts on how they will carry out adapting the remaining books from here on out? I just finished COK, and from what I've heard SOS is too long and HBO has already said they'll split it into two seasons. I've also heard that FFC and DWD were originally one book but Martin split them up cause it was too long, which meant each one had very little of major characters respectively. Then we have the two unfinished ones, Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring. Martin said WOW might not be done for like 3 years. So having said all that, I'm thinking the next two seasons will cover SOS, and the season after that will compress FFC and DWD. Then the next two seasons will cover the last two books. Does that sound reasonable? Also I'm getting worried about the kids growing up. I don't know how long the story spans in years but I'm worried we're gonna get a Walt from Lost syndrome if they don't come up with a good game plan.

[StanUpshaw]

The one-book-per-season formula is stupid. Everything is way too rushed, and it has to be insanely expensive.

If it were up to me, they'd go above and beyond the books, and turn this into the epic is deserves to be. I've never actually watched the show, but I'm imagining something like how they approached In Treatment. Each day of the week, run a half hour from a single POV. The sets are there, the actors are there, the source material is there: just film it! It doesn't have to be expensive, a couple of cameras shooting Robb sitting in a tent planning battles, or Tyrion and Vareys plotting, or Sam and Aemon in the library at Castle Black. Instead of shedding all the incredible detail Martin put into the books, expound on it. Let these great actors act, let this incredible story be told -- both are getting shafted in this current format. Then on Sunday, air an hour-long episode where they tie the plots together and go all-out with battles and special effects.




I really ought to be in charge of everything.

[IamFogHat]

The one-book-per-season formula is stupid. Everything is way too rushed, and it has to be insanely expensive.

If it were up to me, they'd go above and beyond the books, and turn this into the epic is deserves to be. I've never actually watched the show, but I'm imagining something like how they approached In Treatment. Each day of the week, run a half hour from a single POV. The sets are there, the actors are there, the source material is there: just film it! It doesn't have to be expensive, a couple of cameras shooting Robb sitting in a tent planning battles, or Tyrion and Vareys plotting, or Sam and Aemon in the library at Castle Black. Instead of shedding all the incredible detail Martin put into the books, expound on it. Let these great actors act, let this incredible story be told -- both are getting shafted in this current format. Then on Sunday, air an hour-long episode where they tie the plots together and go all-out with battles and special effects.




I really ought to be in charge of everything.

That might be the worst idea I've ever heard:blink:

[StanUpshaw]

Just pile on. I can take it.

[realmenhatelife]

Do you wonder why nobody watched In Treatment? I'm trying to watch a show, not get a second job.


The nature of novels is they are full of all kinds of shit that gets cut when you make them into a movie or show. Adaptations can be unsuccessful for what they include as much as what they cut, take The Watchmen for instance. It stunk because there was too much verbatim from the book.

[Chimee]

Do you wonder why nobody watched In Treatment? I'm trying to watch a show, not get a second job.


The nature of novels is they are full of all kinds of shit that gets cut when you make them into a movie or show. Adaptations can be unsuccessful for what they include as much as what they cut, take The Watchmen for instance. It stunk because there was too much verbatim from the book.

That's the thing that bothers me about the show's focus on Robb. In the book people talked about what he was doing and then you see it from Catelyn's perspective, not this romance with the nurse being a weekly feature.

[CountryBob]

That's the thing that bothers me about the show's focus on Robb. In the book people talked about what he was doing and then you see it from Catelyn's perspective, not this romance with the nurse being a weekly feature.

Got to keep those ladies watching....

[realmenhatelife]

That's the thing that bothers me about the show's focus on Robb. In the book people talked about what he was doing and then you see it from Catelyn's perspective, not this romance with the nurse being a weekly feature.

The perspective thing is actually so essential and so tough to deal with. I watched the show before I read anything, so when Ned gets killed I was somewhat shocked like everyone else. Biggest actor, protagonist of the main conflict, the show is 'about him,' ofcourse he wont die... But when you read the book, from all the different perspectives, it makes so much more sense that he isn't the main character of the story, he's just one of the players.

[IamFogHat]

So what do you think they're going to do tomorrow to wrap the season up? They still need to have Dani in the house of the undying, Bran and Rickon splitting up after Winterfell burns, the aftermath of the battle in King's Landing, etc. Plus I'm not sure they're gonna handle the Arya story since they changed it so much. Sounds like a lot to do in one episode, I can't wait to see how they pull it off.

[IamFogHat]

BTW, who the fuck was that black pirate Davvos talked to in the first episode this year?

[StanUpshaw]

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Salladhor_Saan

[IamFogHat]

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Salladhor_Saan

Ah, thanks budday.

[IamFogHat]

Just read the Red Wedding:glurps:

[IamFogHat]

K so I just got past the Joffrey death and the Sansa one after that, and I'm so confused. Can someone tell me how he died exactly, or will it be better explained later not by a very drunk knight turned fool?

[HBox]

K so I just got past the Joffrey death and the Sansa one after that, and I'm so confused. Can someone tell me how he died exactly, or will it be better explained later not by a very drunk knight turned fool?

Yes, it will be explained who was behind it pretty clearly. The exact chain of events in how it happened is not spelled out as clearly but still pretty easy to pick up on.

[IamFogHat]

Yes, it will be explained who was behind it pretty clearly. The exact chain of events in how it happened is not spelled out as clearly but still pretty easy to pick up on.

K good, thanks budday. Sometimes I worry I'm just real dumb.

[CountryBob]

Just read the Red Wedding:glurps:

Yeah - that was a shocker!

[IamFogHat]

Ok Underdog, so in the book, she goes into the house of the undying and it's a series of rooms she opens up that all feature insane visions that are super awesome, the problem is they are written out and therefore don't spell out what their specific prophecies mean, in a visual medium they would be impossible to depict without spoiling what's going to happen later on. In the end of it she does burn down the house of the undying, so that's fine, but the whole thing was much more elaborate and cool but really not feasible in a tv show.

[underdog]

Ok Underdog, so in the book, she goes into the house of the undying and it's a series of rooms she opens up that all feature insane visions that are super awesome, the problem is they are written out and therefore don't spell out what their specific prophecies mean, in a visual medium they would be impossible to depict without spoiling what's going to happen later on. In the end of it she does burn down the house of the undying, so that's fine, but the whole thing was much more elaborate and cool but really not feasible in a tv show.

what about the stuff with Xaro(?)? He never had anything? The whole Qarth thing seemed rushed at the end, but seemed like it could be awesome.

[IamFogHat]

what about the stuff with Xaro(?)? He never had anything? The whole Qarth thing seemed rushed at the end, but seemed like it could be awesome.

Well, in the book, he was just trying to marry her for her dragons, in their custom when you marry you can ask your spouse for one thing and they have to give it to you, also he was a pedophile, and also the morlock's weren't one guy, they were a bunch of like feeble weirdos that lived in the house of the undying. All that's important is after she burned it down she escaped with dragons and some gold and her entire story was useless, but she gets interesting again in the next one, really interesting actually.

[underdog]

Well, in the book, he was just trying to marry her for her dragons, in their custom when you marry you can ask your spouse for one thing and they have to give it to you, also he was a pedophile, and also the morlock's weren't one guy, they were a bunch of like feeble weirdos that lived in the house of the undying. All that's important is after she burned it down she escaped with dragons and some gold and her entire story was useless, but she gets interesting again in the next one, really interesting actually.

Cool. So it's definitely more in depth in the book. Thanks.

[IamFogHat]

Cool. So it's definitely more in depth in the book. Thanks.

Yes, they dropped the ball on her this season, but to be fair it's really boring storyline in the book too, but the next one is fucking awesome.

[Rhah]

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[sailor]

Please remember to throw any spoiler stuff here, not in the other thread. Kthx.

[IamFogHat]

Please remember to throw any spoiler stuff here, not in the other thread. Kthx.

Did I forget, or can I ridicule you? I'm generally a rule follower, unless I'm slighted wrongly.

[IamFogHat]

Yea, so I guess i'll go to beddyh bye. Frown. Kiss.

[sailor]

Just a general reminder. There were spoiler tags earlier tonight in the other thread. Nothing major, but probably should be in here.

[realmenhatelife]

I guess at some con GRR Martin read two chapters from the new book, which you can read a recap for if you search, but I didn't read it.


Although, someone asked what the 1 word Brienn says in her cliffhanger and he told everyone. Brienn says "sword," which he explained pledges Brienn to Stoneheart, primarily to save Podrick Payne's life.

[HBox]

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[realmenhatelife]

I understand that when you can see the actor it's impossible to reveal that Barristan Selmy has joined Dany incognito, although it's a shame, especially if it totally cuts out Strong Belwas as a character.

[CountryBob]

Yeah - I was looking forward to seeing Strong Belewas shitting at the enemy outside the gates

[realmenhatelife]

I wonder if the show is going to take characters to their fates in the books, or if we've completely struck out on new arcs for some of them.



For example, Shae. By putting Shae with Sansa you cant just drop her in bed with Tywin and have Tyrion kill her, you've given her character too much sympathy to pull such cold blooded stuff. Although I think I just realized that when Tyrion is forced to marry Sansa, Shae may get twisted and fuck Tywin as revenge. Or Shae may fuck Tywin to discredit him because he declares that he will hang any whore that Tyrion beds. I think there's a very good chance that Tywin is the one who winds up killing Shae, possibly prior to Tyrion's marrying Sansa. Maybe to intimidate him into it.


Stannis seems to be different too. At the end of last season he had his crisis of faith and gazing into the fire he had his vision. I thought that was setting up his march north but now he just seems to want an heir by any means. I like in the books that Stannis is the ultimate stoic and he doesn't seem at ease with Mellisandre and ambition but he recognizes it as the means to the throne. I'm worried they're going to turn Stannis into a more maniacal character and set him up as this witch king villian.

We're early yet but I'm hoping they dont skimp on the politics in Dorne or Pike. I may be in the minority but I do really like when Feast of Crows expands into that, and I would really love to see the Sand Snakes and Euron and Victarian Greyjoy.

[Gmann]

I guess we dont get to see Theon as Reek either.

[HBox]

I guess we dont get to see Theon as Reek either.

Why do you say that? Theon was tortured a LONG TIME before he got to that point.

[realmenhatelife]

Why do you say that? Theon was tortured a LONG TIME before he got to that point.

Yeah, dont they wait to reveal that Theon is the new Reek until after Reek is introduced? Like with Barristan Selmy we can see the actor so you cant do the misdirection on his identity, but I think they're on their way to showing how Bolton is breaking him mentally.

[HBox]

Yeah, dont they wait to reveal that Theon is the new Reek until after Reek is introduced? Like with Barristan Selmy we can see the actor so you cant do the misdirection on his identity, but I think they're on their way to showing how Bolton is breaking him mentally.

They've already passed the point where Ramsay Bolton pretended to be Reek. Bolton infiltrated Winterfell passing himself as Reek and advising Theon before he betrayed him and burnt Winterfell.

But the whole Reek thing is still majorly fucked up without the that twist or the original backstory of the first Reek. But its possible that once Ramsey reveals himself he will simply tell Theon the whole story of the original Reek. Either way they can still make it work.

[Gmann]

I think they got too many storylines going on the in the tv show to get into something that complex for the average viewer. Super fans of the books would prob approve of this version.

[Misteriosa]

im at the part where myrcella's knight pledges to protect her right to the iron throne over tommen. i wonder what cercei will think of that.

also, arya just kissed the skull at the house of black and white. valar morghulis.

[realmenhatelife]

In the show did they have any scenes when Caitlan Stark negotiates their alliance with the Freys? I dont remember them doing it, and it's a shame because it makes you feel more dread when Rob gets married. So now we see how we're going to wind up at the Red Wedding atleast. I'm just hoping they dont skimp on the weirdness that is the Freys. I think they could probably do like the Blackwater and devote most of an episode to just the wedding.

[realmenhatelife]

The episode kindof raises a good point this week, why the hell would the Terrell's be happy to let Loras join the Kingsguard, when he's the most handsome and famous tourney Knight in the world, with huge wealth and fertile land behind him? That seems like he would be the top pick to make an incredibly powerful alliance, and could probably marry a princess or something.

[Misteriosa]

started book 5 and here's where i am (im putting it in quotes so it wont show in ispy):

tyrion is on the dragon road with ser duck and halfmaester. arya has been blinded by the priest from the house of black and white after she killed the deserter singer from the wall. brienne, podrick, and ser whats is face are being hanged by stoneheart/catelyn. prince of dorne is trying to find daenerys to marry her. myrcella's face has been slashed by darkstar and arienne is her father's prisoner. however, she has been told her father's plan, and i guess understands what's going on now. cercei is held prisoner with margery in the high sept by the super pious high septon, after she tried to ruin margery. loras is gravely wounded after winning dragonstone. jamie has won riverrun thru edmund tully's surrender and refused cercei's plea for aid. sam has met with the brawny maester and the sphinx and will work with them in secret while he forges his chain. im wondering whats gonna happen with gilly. bran and the gang are with coldhands way north of the wall. it looks like jojen is gonna eat it soon. they all figure out coldhands is dead but agree to continue to go with him to the 3 eyed crow. jon's beheaded janos slynt for insubordnation :happy: which was awesome.

kill the boy! let the man be born!

phew.

[realmenhatelife]

I'm wondering now if Ygrittes arc remains the same. I get the feeling that Orel is going to kill her instead of John finding her dead after the battle at castle black, and then John gets to kill Orel as revenge.

[Misteriosa]

I'm wondering now if Ygrittes arc remains the same. I get the feeling that Orel is going to kill her instead of John finding her dead after the battle at castle black, and then John gets to kill Orel as revenge.

well...
its certainly starting to look that way. especially since he really gave her the crazy eyes this last episode.

[realmenhatelife]

well...

Turns out I was wrong.

[Misteriosa]

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[realmenhatelife]

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Ha.

[DarkHippie]

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Every Death In Game of Thrones, Visualized (http://kotaku.com/every-death-in-game-of-thrones-visualized-1468258599)

What do we say to the God of Death?

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[CountryBob]

Last night when Sansa was picking up the wine goblet for Joffrey she made a move that she could be putting something in the glass. I was yelling at the screen that old bitch Tyrell is the one that poisons him but a bit later his glass is sitting on the table where old bitch was sitting and once Tyrion grabbed it off there - I knew it was like the book.

[realmenhatelife]

Good eye. I'm going to go back and look at it again.


I referred to earlier how it's too bad that Ilyn Payne cant be the one to train Jaime but I think I read they are not recasting that actor who is terminally ill.

[CountryBob]

Good eye. I'm going to go back and look at it again.


I referred to earlier how it's too bad that Ilyn Payne cant be the one to train Jaime but I think I read they are not recasting that actor who is terminally ill.

yeah - I forgot that he was the one. I knew that Bronn wasn't right but couldn't remember who did it.

[realmenhatelife]

yeah - I forgot that he was the one. I knew that Bronn wasn't right but couldn't remember who did it.

Bronn sortof dries up in the books, I guess they didn't count on having such a charismatic actor playing him in the series. Once Bronn gets knighted he more or less abandons Tyrion.




I was excited to get a glimpse of the Three Eyed Raven's human persona in Bran's vision.

[CountryBob]

Bronn sortof dries up in the books, I guess they didn't count on having such a charismatic actor playing him in the series. Once Bronn gets knighted he more or less abandons Tyrion.




I was excited to get a glimpse of the Three Eyed Raven's human persona in Bran's vision.

Same here - looking forward to how they handle that underground setting with all the roots etc

[realmenhatelife]

Same here - looking forward to how they handle that underground setting with all the roots etc

Same with Stoneheart, I wonder what that's going to look like.

[smiler grogan]

Even When Tyrion admits to Killing Joffrey in the books I don't believe him. Lannisters lie remember. I like how they shot the scene with the cup and how it was bouncing around to just about every potential murderer.

I don't mind the switch to Bronn as Jamie's dueling partner. Having the sciences with a mute knight would be a little dull to watch.

I found a lot of the Bran storyline dull until they found their way underground but i think they will be able to do his storyline justice on the show. The actor who plays Bran looks like he grew a foot in between seasons.

[realmenhatelife]

Even When Tyrion admits to Killing Joffrey in the books I don't believe him. Lannisters lie remember. I like how they shot the scene with the cup and how it was bouncing around to just about every potential murderer.

I don't mind the switch to Bronn as Jamie's dueling partner. Having the sciences with a mute knight would be a little dull to watch.

I found a lot of the Bran storyline dull until they found their way underground but i think they will be able to do his storyline justice on the show. The actor who plays Bran looks like he grew a foot in between seasons.


I just like when they take a more or less one dimensional character like Ilyn Payne and add a little more pathos to him. They do it really well with The Hound.

[DarkHippie]

I just like when they take a more or less one dimensional character like Ilyn Payne and add a little more pathos to him. They do it really well with The Hound.

I agree, but I think The Hound has always been complex. He might be the most complex of the supporting characters in the series.

[DarkHippie]

Even When Tyrion admits to Killing Joffrey in the books I don't believe him. Lannisters lie remember. I like how they shot the scene with the cup and how it was bouncing around to just about every potential murderer.


He said it to hurt Jamie, because Jamie told him the deal with his wife/"whore"

The final reveal at the end of SoS is so delicious, I could eat it, shit it out, and then eat it again.

[jennysmurf]

I had to put the book down halfway through A Dance With Dragons when GRRM introduced yet another storyline with another possible heir to the throne. My brain had to take a rest. I haven't picked it up again.

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[realmenhatelife]

I had to put the book down halfway through A Dance With Dragons when GRRM introduced yet another storyline with another possible heir to the throne. My brain had to take a rest. I haven't picked it up again.

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Oh suck it up.

[jennysmurf]

Oh suck it up.

I had to read the books with a pen, so that I could underline a new character or plot line when it came up in order to keep everything straight! My brain hurt, and my heart hurt, every time a beloved character would die. Damn him! *shakes fist*

[realmenhatelife]

People read books in different ways. I've always been very comfortable in a plot that if something is introduced or I dont understand it right away that the plot will reveal itself in a way that will make me understand.

Other people really white knuckle it, I guess.

[jennysmurf]

People read books in different ways. I've always been very comfortable in a plot that if something is introduced or I dont understand it right away that the plot will reveal itself in a way that will make me understand.

Other people really white knuckle it, I guess.

These were the first books I ever had to white-knuckle. All other books I read for enjoyment.

[CountryBob]

im looking forward to seeing Tyrion riding a trained pig in the future :smile: