2012 Boston Red Sox Offseason Thread

[thepaulo]

No joy in Mudville.

[A.J.]

As soon as the Rays came back 7-6, I shut the TV off, went to bed and dreamed of Theo finally getting fired.

[A.J.]

Oh, and I hope Lackey's soon-to-be-ex gets every penny of his Sox contract. She earned it more than his sorry ass ever did.

[Jujubees2]

As soon as the Rays came back 7-6, I shut the TV off, went to bed and dreamed of Theo finally getting fired.

He won't get fired. He'll just leave and take the Cubs job. Hopefully he takes half the team with him.

[A.J.]

He won't get fired. He'll just leave and take the Cubs job. Hopefully he takes half the team with him.

Fine by me.

[OGC]

No joy in Mudville.

Plenty of mud in Mudville though.

[A.J.]

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[Tenbatsuzen]

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[brettmojo]

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Harold's reaction is literally straight out of that NBA Bloopers video where Manute Bol's head is under the silver plate cover dome.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

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[Dude!]

the most awesome end
to a baseball season in history!

[A.J.]

I couldn't agree more.

Red Sox Nation: F@#$ These Guys (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7034858/f@#-guys)

[Snoogans]

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thats fuckin worse than the real song

[JimBeam]

I've posted sevral times about how I f-ing hate that morning zoo crap that Mike & Mike do and that they think is so hilarious.

It's not only corny it's ridiculously unfunny.

[JPMNICK]

I've posted sevral times about how I f-ing hate that morning zoo crap that Mike & Mike do and that they think is so hilarious.

It's not only corny it's ridiculously unfunny.

the are UNLISTENABLE. between commericals and bullshit on the show, they literally have never talked about anything of substance.

Greene's radio teases before each break hurt my inner core to listen to, and when one says Mike and Mike and the other quickly says ESPN radio, i want to punch them both.

[JimBeam]

I hate, with all my being, that stupid " old timey radio voice " they use when doing their " bits ".

Why is an NFL owner talking like a a guy that's reporting the news that the Titanic just sank ?

[KnoxHarrington]

I just wonder if some hack is going to write about the "Curse of the Bambino" returning, ignoring the fact that they've won 2 World Series since 2004.

Red Sox, you don't get to be lovable losers anymore. You are as much the Evil Empire as the Yankees.

[Snoogans]

I just wonder if some hack is going to write about the "Curse of the Bambino" returning, ignoring the fact that they've won 2 World Series since 2004.

Red Sox, you don't get to be lovable losers anymore. You are as much the Evil Empire as the Yankees.

they actually are callin it the curse of the Andino

[Dan 'Hampton]

I just wonder if some hack is going to write about the "Curse of the Bambino" returning, ignoring the fact that they've won 2 World Series since 2004.

Red Sox, you don't get to be lovable losers anymore. You are as much the Evil Empire as the Yankees.



Chb has been writing those for a week. This still doesn't hurt nearly as bad as '03. Anyone thinking clearly for the last month knew this wasn't a WS team. I'll be getting good nights sleep this fall. Thanks sox. Dump the deadweight, new pitching coach, medical/training staff. Talk of firing Tito or Theo is plain pinkhat retardedness.

[A.J.]

I just wonder if some hack is going to write about the "Curse of the Bambino" returning, ignoring the fact that they've won 2 World Series since 2004.

they actually are callin it the curse of the Andino

Actually, some DID refer to the Curse of the Bambino since it happened in Baltimore near where Ruth was born, where there's a statue and where his father had a bar.

[Jujubees2]

Terry Francona reportedly could be out as Red Sox manager (http://www.boston.com/sports/blogs/thebuzz/2011/09/terry_francona.html)

If he goes then Theo should be right behind him

[A.J.]

Exactly. I blame Theo more than I do Tito. He signed these losers.

And if Tito goes, I'd like to see him down here with the Nats.

[JimBeam]

Firing Francona is just insane.

I know that a manager shouldn't get too much credit when teams win but on the flips side of that they shouldn't take the fall when a team fails to perform up to its expectations.

It'd be one thing if this team had a complete lack of focus all year but that didn't appear to be the case.

They got bad pitching and had bad bounces for the last month of the season. Nobody could've fixed that.

The season wasn't an entire choke job in that they still won 89 games.

If things had been as bad as people are saying they'd have never recovered from that early season swoon and would've finished 30 games out.

Something has to be said for that run they made from May through July.

Teams don't do that if they don't have some desire.

Any moves on Francona or Epstein are knee-jerk and uncalled for in my opinion.

Now if Francona decides to leave on his own, because 8 years of that is too much, then I can't blame him.

[sailor]

MLB confirming Sox not picking up francona's option.

[underdog]

I wish people would stop acting like Francona was some great manager and are shocked he's gone. He's the ultimate front office manager. Don't do much, and do whatever Theo tells you to do. When he tried to make his own decisions, they were usually awful, like sticking with his players far too long.

[cougarjake13]

they actually are callin it the curse of the Andino

andino ??

[cougarjake13]

Firing Francona is just insane.

I know that a manager shouldn't get too much credit when teams win but on the flips side of that they shouldn't take the fall when a team fails to perform up to its expectations.

It'd be one thing if this team had a complete lack of focus all year but that didn't appear to be the case.

They got bad pitching and had bad bounces for the last month of the season. Nobody could've fixed that.

The season wasn't an entire choke job in that they still won 89 games.

If things had been as bad as people are saying they'd have never recovered from that early season swoon and would've finished 30 games out.

Something has to be said for that run they made from May through July.

Teams don't do that if they don't have some desire.

Any moves on Francona or Epstein are knee-jerk and uncalled for in my opinion.

Now if Francona decides to leave on his own, because 8 years of that is too much, then I can't blame him.



not an excuse but injuries hurt too

[Snoogans]

andino ??

ronnie andino from baltimore was the guy who got the winning hit, as well as a few other huge hits in the sox 7 losses to baltimore this month

[Snoogans]

I wish people would stop acting like Francona was some great manager and are shocked he's gone. He's the ultimate front office manager. Don't do much, and do whatever Theo tells you to do. When he tried to make his own decisions, they were usually awful, like sticking with his players far too long.

yea awesome. no one even thought he was anything but a bum when they hired him. He just proved they were right. we have to stop giving so much credit to coaches and managers of teams that are that loaded with talent. they dont have fuckin hard jobs.

NO ONE should have ever allowed a team that good to miss the playoffs. I dont care if he won 77 straight WS, he failed to do his job this year. He has to go, and he fuckin knows it, and thats why he just went on his own.



Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, faggot

[cougarjake13]

ronnie andino from baltimore was the guy who got the winning hit, as well as a few other huge hits in the sox 7 losses to baltimore this month

ahh thanks for info

[spoon]

Let's also not act as though managers have NO impact on the game over 162 like Jbeam pretty much did and others have hinted at. Francona shit to bed like many of his players on this collapse. To fall this badly, so many shitty factors have to come together, but a manager has many options just to stir shit up and or find ugly ways to win games. He truly didn't do this, and it seemed he just didn't care as much as in the past. He, like many Sox fans probably knew his team wasn't going anywhere with this rotation and current crop of players. Which to me just shows what's wrong with baseball. So many teams would have killed for the shot at the playoffs, and the sox overall seemed ambivalent overall. TB never plays or acts this way. I'm glad they made the playoffs over Boston. And perhaps they'll go back to being the Red Sox as opposed to being a carbon copy of the Yankee way.

That being said, Francona and Theo did end a HORID streak in Boston amidst the likes of the mega bankrolled yanks. This year surely will leave a mark, but 2 titles in less than a decade is something I'd sign up for any day of the week.

In conclusion, fuck mlb.

[Snoogans]

Let's also not act as though managers have NO impact on the game over 162 like Jbeam pretty much did and others have hinted at. Francona shit to bed like many of his players on this collapse. To fall this badly, so many shitty factors have to come together, but a manager has many options just to stir shit up and or find ugly ways to win games. He truly didn't do this, and it seemed he just didn't care as much as in the past. He, like many Sox fans probably knew his team wasn't going anywhere with this rotation and current crop of players. Which to me just shows what's wrong with baseball. So many teams would have killed for the shot at the playoffs, and the sox overall seemed ambivalent overall. TB never plays or acts this way. I'm glad they made the playoffs over Boston. And perhaps they'll go back to being the Red Sox as opposed to being a carbon copy of the Yankee way.

That being said, Francona and Theo did end a HORID streak in Boston amidst the likes of the mega bankrolled yanks. This year surely will leave a mark, but 2 titles in less than a decade is something I'd sign up for any day of the week.

In conclusion, fuck mlb.

exactly the points that need to be made. As much as the players did, francona mailed it in. And if most of these players had options, the sox wouldnt have picked those up either. Unfortunately, they are stuck with these players. But they didnt have to be stuck with Francona.

That said, they both handled it perfectly and its good because he did do alot for the city, and this way, it will never be bitter. He will always be important to sox fans. It all ended up workin out right, i think

[A.J.]

I wish people would stop acting like Francona was some great manager and are shocked he's gone. He's the ultimate front office manager. Don't do much, and do whatever Theo tells you to do. When he tried to make his own decisions, they were usually awful, like sticking with his players far too long.

Yeah, remember how he stuck with Pedroia after his shitty start during his rookie season in 2007? That was a disaster. He was as much responsible for the development of home-grown guys like Pedroia, Lester and Ellsbury as anybody else.

Look, Tito wasn't perfect. But to succeed dealing with headcases like Manny, and stellar Theo pickups like Renteria (and the 5 other SSs that followed), Clement, Gagne, Dice-K, Drew, Lackey, Jenks, Albers and Bedard to name a few, is nothing short of miraculous. He may have been loyal to a fault but he in the end he lost his clubhouse. It's probably for the best, in terms of his own mental and physical health, that he leave that job.

[Dan 'Hampton]

The front office looks like shit. I pray we dont end up with valentine out of all of this. It's amazing how francona is still covering his players collective asses while ownership leaks shit about him.

[A.J.]

The front office looks like shit. I pray we dont end up with valentine out of all of this. It's amazing how francona is still covering his players collective asses while ownership leaks shit about him.

Typical Boston move: smear guys on the way out. Only Clemens really deserved that.

But this also goes to show what a class act Francona has always been.

[HBox]

Typical Boston move: smear guys on the way out. Only Clemens really deserved that.

But this also goes to show what a class act Francona has always been.

It's fucking disgusting the way they do this. I didn't even need to see the story that Francona was leaving. When I saw a story leaked earlier that day that pitchers were drinking on their off days in the clubhouse I knew he was gone. Typical scumbag Boston front office move when they make a controversial decision.

They may have built a bunch of impressive teams over the last decade but I couldn't imagine a more classless bunch of shit heads in any sport.

[Dan 'Hampton]

"class" is a bullshit catchphrase when it comes to sport. These are businesses.

[Snoogans]

It's fucking disgusting the way they do this. I didn't even need to see the story that Francona was leaving. When I saw a story leaked earlier that day that pitchers were drinking on their off days in the clubhouse I knew he was gone. Typical scumbag Boston front office move when they make a controversial decision.

They may have built a bunch of impressive teams over the last decade but I couldn't imagine a more classless bunch of shit heads in any sport.

i get the point that its BS the way they did it. im not tryin to argue that.

But what if that shit is all true. What if he did let guys drink in there? If that story came out simply cause someone caught it, like a reporter, everyone would CRUCIFY Tito. I get they didnt need to do it cause he was out anyway, but why does tito get a pass just cause the org mighta been shady about it? He still let that shit happen, and thats still inexcusable



also, no matter what, the jets still have less class than anyone, sans Dan Snyder

[Fallon]

Ha!!


http://images.universalhub.com/files/images/titocal.jpg
Link (http://www.universalhub.com/2011/so-sox-fan-flips-his-wall-calendar-october)

[OGC]

i get the point that its BS the way they did it. im not tryin to argue that.

But what if that shit is all true. What if he did let guys drink in there? If that story came out simply cause someone caught it, like a reporter, everyone would CRUCIFY Tito. I get they didnt need to do it cause he was out anyway, but why does tito get a pass just cause the org mighta been shady about it? He still let that shit happen, and thats still inexcusable



also, no matter what, the jets still have less class than anyone, sans Dan Snyder


the way I see it, John Henry and his crew are paying a lot of money for this team and they can hire and fire anyone, anyway they want.

bottom line, it's a business. they sooner people realize it, the less they'll stress over things.

[Snoogans]

the way I see it, John Henry and his crew are paying a lot of money for this team and they can hire and fire anyone, anyway they want.

bottom line, it's a business. they sooner people realize it, the less they'll stress over things.

i agree. They are making the point that since that is the case, why do you have to go and make the guy look worse by leaking shit. And i get that. but at the same time, if i had an employee that was doin some shit like that, id have put him on blast too. So i can see both sides.


regardless, the guy lost the team, and failed to do his job. Thanks for the good times.....now get the fuck out. You should have done your fuckin job if you didnt wanna deal with the heat. YOU LOST A 9 GAME LEAD in LESS THAN A MONTH. FUCK OFF

[A.J.]

I have to say, after having had some time to read a bunch of different articles about what went wrong this past month, my biggest disappointment has to be with Varitek. In the past, before he was even officially named Captain, he was the one who would get in players' faces or would call team-only meetings to refocus the team when things were going bad. During September, it seemed like Pedroia was the only one doing any of that. Our Captain didn't seem to be doing his job at all. I expected better from him.

[cougarjake13]

does he even play anymore ?

[Snoogans]

does he even play anymore ?

he hit like 14 HRs this year. He played against lefties

[Kevin]

he hit like 14 HRs this year. He played against lefties

only 2 of them were actually hit.

The ones we saw.

[cougarjake13]

he hit like 14 HRs this year. He played against lefties

wow i knew he was a backup to salty

didnt know he had that many homers and played that much

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Heard that the front office is willing to let Epstein talk to the Cubs about being their née GM

[Snoogans]

Heard that the front office is willing to let Epstein talk to the Cubs about being their née GM

good. fuck him too

[cougarjake13]

bobby v gonna be the next mgr ?

[A.J.]

good. fuck him too

Ditto. (http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/story/_/page/bryant-111005/theo-epstein-held-accountable-red-sox-collapse)

[Jujubees2]

If Theo Epstein flees, price must be high (http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2011/10/04/epstein-leaves-price-must-high/crIPMxcCJCxX82hgJwIbqL/story.xml)

Good read. Make the Cubs pay!

[cougarjake13]

If Theo Epstein flees, price must be high (http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2011/10/04/epstein-leaves-price-must-high/crIPMxcCJCxX82hgJwIbqL/story.xml)

Good read. Make the Cubs pay!

imagine if he does go and cubs win during his tenure ?

he'd be the orchestrator of ending 2 of baseballs longest droughts

[Jujubees2]

imagine if he does go and cubs win during his tenure ?

he'd be the orchestrator of ending 2 of baseballs longest droughts

Cooperstown would be renamed Epsteintown

[OGC]

If Theo Epstein flees, price must be high (http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2011/10/04/epstein-leaves-price-must-high/crIPMxcCJCxX82hgJwIbqL/story.xml)

Good read. Make the Cubs pay!

apparently you want to make us pay too. You need a subscription to the Globe to read that article.

[joeyballsack]

Oof... (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/10/12/red_sox_unity_dedication_dissolved_during_epic_lat e_season_collapse/)

Jesus..what a clusterfuck.

Allegations of prescription drug abuse by Francona ?!?!

Theo will be history in a couple of days and out of Boston, it would be my guess that he has something to do with some of these stories.

Worst season ever.

[TjM]

Oof... (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/10/12/red_sox_unity_dedication_dissolved_during_epic_lat e_season_collapse/)

Jesus..what a clusterfuck.

Allegations of prescription drug abuse by Francona ?!?!

Theo will be history in a couple of days and out of Boston, it would be my guess that he has something to do with some of these stories.

Worst season ever.

This is all the ownership. What a scum fuck thing to do leaking this shit

[A.J.]

Typical. They'll trash Theo on the way out.

[Kevin]

Typical. They'll trash Theo on the way out.


Too busy building mansions?

[Snoogans]

it really pisses me off how part of it says ownership was unhappy with how much Theo spent on Carl Crawford.

YOU ARE THE FUCKIN OWNERSHIP. THATS UP TO YOU. IF YOU DIDNT WANNA SPEND THAT CASH, WHY THE FUCKIN DIDNT YOU JUST SAY NO? YOU STILL HAD TO SIGN OFF ON IT

[A.J.]

They were too busy buying Liverpool FC.

[Snoogans]

They were too busy buying Liverpool FC.

i wont rip them over that. If you have a chance to go in and pretty much steal a team like Liverpool for 475 mill, you fuckin do it.

My point is, even after theo did everything, him and carl agreed, and what not, he still had to go to them to get approval. They obviously approved the offer. Im pretty sure theo didnt lie about it and then just sneak it in

[A.J.]

Are you new?

The owners NEVER do anything wrong! They're not responsible in any way for bad deals!

[Dan 'Hampton]

That was contrary to previous reports that Warner and Luchinno were the ones pushing Crawford, as he doesn't really fit the Theo prototype player. Amazingly paps comes outta this unscathed. Which makes sense with the vague mentions at the pressed for Theo and Tito that they couldn't have been happier with his attitude and leadership. He'll rightfully be back.

[Snoogans]

Are you new?

The owners NEVER do anything wrong! They're not responsible in any way for bad deals!

well, that andy carrol deal they signed is a pretty bad one that henry is responsible for.

And Jordan Henderson....oh right, this was about baseball

[Snoogans]

deadspin is currently crushing all sides of this, including the Globe itself. (http://deadspin.com/5849135/whats-the-most-dishonest-sentence-in-the-boston-globes-red-sox-postmortem)

There are so many nutty revelations in the Red Sox's self-serving/self-defeating exercise in blame and vengeance—and the revelations are so thoroughly unexamined by the Boston Globe reporters who wrote them down—you might think it would be hard to pick out the most ridiculous. The attacks on Adrian Gonzalez (.338/.410/.548) and Jacoby Ellsbury (.321/.376/.552) for their inadequate intangibles? The overdetermined tales of year-long slackness and sloppiness from a team that went 20-6 in July? The failure to notice that the whole litany of wrongdoing adds up to less misbehavior than Manny Ramirez used to fit into a single seventh-inning stretch, back in the golden days of Boston Baseball Played Right?

[Kevin]

I miss the Hank days

[Tenbatsuzen]

As big a Yankee fan I am, I can't believe that Papelbon and Lackey are relatively untouched in that piece.

I mean, you beat up on Lester - Jon Lester - for eating chicken and drinking beer and playing video games?

THE DUDE BEAT CANCER. It should be his god given RIGHT to eat as much fried chicken, drink as much beer, and play as many video games as he wants.

[Tenbatsuzen]

deadspin is currently crushing all sides of this, including the Globe itself. (http://deadspin.com/5849135/whats-the-most-dishonest-sentence-in-the-boston-globes-red-sox-postmortem)

I'm really surprised it wasn't Abraham's byline on that. Had his fingerprints all over it, and he had the same kind of dickish comments when he was a Yankee beat writer.

[Snoogans]

As big a Yankee fan I am, I can't believe that Papelbon and Lackey are relatively untouched in that piece.

I mean, you beat up on Lester - Jon Lester - for eating chicken and drinking beer and playing video games?

THE DUDE BEAT CANCER. It should be his god given RIGHT to eat as much fried chicken, drink as much beer, and play as many video games as he wants.

yea, no. First off, they did rip lackey on all the same shit they ripped lester.

And yea, he beat cancer a few years back, and came back to help us win the WS. He should get some leeway for that. But he still gets paid a damn good salary, and as long as you are gettin paid to do a job, you better at least fuckin try to do it.

i dont care what he went through, that doesnt give him the right to stop going to conditioning sessions, stop working out, and just eating, drinking, and gettin fat.

[Kevin]

yea, no. First off, they did rip lackey on all the same shit they ripped lester.

And yea, he beat cancer a few years back, and came back to help us win the WS. He should get some leeway for that. But he still gets paid a damn good salary, and as long as you are gettin paid to do a job, you better at least fuckin try to do it.

i dont care what he went through, that doesnt give him the right to stop going to conditioning sessions, stop working out, and just eating, drinking, and gettin fat.

Its called the Josh Beckett diet.

[TjM]

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Carl Crawford kept more and more to himself as the season progressed, largely because the clubhouse culture here was unlike any he'd experienced during his decade with Tampa Bay. A consummate pro, Crawford had once grabbed Pat Burrell and thrown him up against a wall, angrily telling Burrell that his unprofessional ways were not accepted in the Rays' clubhouse. Tampa Bay management had their speedy outfielder's back, trading Burrell a short time later. That's the kind of cache Crawford had in that room, and with that organization.

But in Boston, Crawford apparently felt he couldn't exert his influence because he wasn't one of the veterans who understood what the Sox organization considered acceptable and what had led them to victory. Finally, late in the season but before the team entered its death spiral, Crawford had had enough. He launched into an impassioned speech, imploring teammates to get it together. It fell on deaf ears.

As for the now-infamous "Go ask the captain" line, Crawford had an issue with the reporter who asked the question -- about that person's relationship with Jason Varitek -- and not Varitek himself. What followed, with 'Tek going over and hugging Crawford, was considered as nothing more than a dog-and-pony show, done to put a happy face on an unhappy locker room.



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Crawford wasn't the only newcomer marginalized by the Sox' toxic culture. The other big offseason acquisition, Adrian Gonzalez, was dumbfounded by the lack of professionalism that surrounded him, and couldn't believe it was allowed to continue. And while he struggled with a variety of injuries that sapped him of his power, Gonzalez still showed up, still worked, still competed. The same couldn't be said of some of his new teammates.



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In the days that followed Francona's dismissal, very few Sox players stepped to his defense. Francona was understandably hurt by that, but it wasn't as if he didn't see it coming. Players whom Francona had defended (Varitek), supported through difficult times (David Ortiz) and considered to be almost like a son (Jon Lester) had already tuned him out long before the late collapse.

Their silence was just a reinforcement of how bad the Red Sox clubhouse had gotten and - sources reiterated - how it will remain until those responsible for it are moved out or held accountable for their failings, both on and off the field.


We can bash Crawford's performance on the field, but at least he tried to do something about. Some of these veterans have to go.


http://www.csnne.com/10/12/11/Giardi-Sox-clubhouse-became-a-poison-cen/landing_redsox.html?blockID=576214&feedID=3352

[Kevin]

http://www.csnne.com/10/12/11/Giardi-Sox-clubhouse-became-a-poison-cen/landing_redsox.html?blockID=576214&feedID=3352

I refuse to think that this sox team was worse than the mid 2000s idiots when it came to not being professional or out there.

They just won and this team didn't

[Dan 'Hampton]

This team had full blown aids forget cancer. Amazingly this is getting me amped up for next year. We need some shit to go down so winning means something again. Unfortunately for lovely ms watney captain will be outta here, as will likely either Beckett or lackey.

[Fallon]

Bring back Duquette!

[underdog]

A team that sucked balls at the beginning of the year sucked balls at the end of the year. The end.

[Kevin]

Bring back Duquette!

He is too busy with Jewish baseball.

And NOBODY is taking Lackey.

[cougarjake13]

sign up minaya and bobby v

[Kevin]

sign up minaya and bobby v

PLEASE on Omar.

He is TERRIBLE.

[cougarjake13]

PLEASE on Omar.

He is TERRIBLE.

so your saying the los red sox de boston would be a good thing

[Kevin]

so your saying the los red sox de boston would be a good thing


YES.

It would awesome

[Snoogans]

the more i read, the more and more i feel bad for Carl Crawford and the less I hate him. I think he didnt really wanna be in boston, but the money was huge, so he was liek fuck it, ill make it work.

Then when he got there, he was just floored by how fuckin stupid it was. I think he never got along with these animals, and it just made it so hard for him. I kinda wish he had stood up to them, but as the new guy, like he said, i can completely understand why he would just be quiet and assume that was just the way it always was there. But man, i never thought he could ever look this good to me after this season he had.

Padroia, Ellsbury, Lowrie, Scuturo and Crawford. Keep them, get some real players in here, and fuck everyone else. Thats what i would do

[cougarjake13]

the more i read, the more and more i feel bad for Carl Crawford and the less I hate him. I think he didnt really wanna be in boston, but the money was huge, so he was liek fuck it, ill make it work.

Then when he got there, he was just floored by how fuckin stupid it was. I think he never got along with these animals, and it just made it so hard for him. I kinda wish he had stood up to them, but as the new guy, like he said, i can completely understand why he would just be quiet and assume that was just the way it always was there. But man, i never thought he could ever look this good to me after this season he had.

Padroia, Ellsbury, Lowrie, Scuturo and Crawford. Keep them, get some real players in here, and fuck everyone else. Thats what i would do

is that on the globe site or somewhere else

id like to read it

[Snoogans]

I refuse to think that this sox team was worse than the mid 2000s idiots when it came to not being professional or out there.

They just won and this team didn't

thats the thing. they were idiots, but they were proffessionals. There wasnt a guy on that team of idiots who wasnt in the gym or the cages bustin his ass. They mighta fucked around in how they acted in the clubhouse and dugout, and had fun and been crazy, but they also came to fuckin play. Not a single guy on that team sat around drinking beer and eating chicken during games and gaining 80 fuckin pounds.

there is a difference between being clowns and being unproffesional


edit: Except Manny. He was a fuckin joke. However, somehow that motherfucker kept hitting.

[Snoogans]

He is too busy with Jewish baseball.

And NOBODY is taking Lackey.

Michael Kay, of all people, came up with a great idea today. Instead of the sox allowing theo to go to Chicago and gettin back whatever player in compensation, they should tell the cubs that the compensation is they have to take Lackey and the rest of his deal. We will let you have Theo, you dont have to give us ANYTHING, but you have to take Lackey's deal

[cougarjake13]

Michael Kay, of all people, came up with a great idea today. Instead of the sox allowing theo to go to Chicago and gettin back whatever player in compensation, they should tell the cubs that the compensation is they have to take Lackey and the rest of his deal. We will let you have Theo, you dont have to give us ANYTHING, but you have to take Lackey's deal

wow

that is a great idea

[Snoogans]

deadspin had this little tidbit today about Josh Beckett back in florida.

If the allegations are true, it wasn't the first time Beckett killed time in the clubhouse during a game. He and Brad Penny did that with the Marlins in 2003, prompting manager Jack McKeon to lock the clubhouse door during games.

Jack even resorted to keeping a stack of bathroom passes in the dugout to give out during games when players had to go.

"In between innings they'd go to the clubhouse to get a drink or hang out,'' McKeon recalled this afternoon from his home in North Carolina.

"I said, ‘Hey, I got no rule against going up if you have to go to the bathroom or something, but get back.' A couple of times I looked down the bench to talk to somebody and they weren't there. They were in the clubhouse. So I went up and got them out and said, ‘OK, boys that's it. We'll lock the door.'"



ummm, can we hire this guy tomorrow?

[OGC]

Michael Kay, of all people, came up with a great idea today. Instead of the sox allowing theo to go to Chicago and gettin back whatever player in compensation, they should tell the cubs that the compensation is they have to take Lackey and the rest of his deal. We will let you have Theo, you dont have to give us ANYTHING, but you have to take Lackey's deal

wow

that is a great idea


if they proposed that, the Cubs would bale and Theo would be staying Boston

[Snoogans]

if they proposed that, the Cubs would bale and Theo would be staying Boston

i dont know, man. did you see how much the cubs offered Theo?

Apparently he is Pres and GM and the Cubs are going to pay him FIFTEEN......thats right FIFTEEN million per year

15,000,000.00

[cougarjake13]

i dont know, man. did you see how much the cubs offered Theo?

Apparently he is Pres and GM and the Cubs are going to pay him FIFTEEN......thats right FIFTEEN million per year

15,000,000.00



does he stay with quade... try to go big splash with a big name... or hometown fav sandberg ?

[Snoogans]

does he stay with quade... try to go big splash with a big name... or hometown fav sandberg ?

i hope he gets Terry Francona

[Dan 'Hampton]

i dont know, man. did you see how much the cubs offered Theo?

Apparently he is Pres and GM and the Cubs are going to pay him FIFTEEN......thats right FIFTEEN million per year

15,000,000.00
http://mobile.boston.com/art/52/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/10/epstein_accepts
Or 15 mil total. It's more about complete control over team. Good for him.

[Snoogans]

http://mobile.boston.com/art/52/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/10/epstein_accepts
Or 15 mil total. It's more about complete control over team. Good for him.

according to the Michael Kay show it was 15 mill per year. What an ass clown. It was Don LeGrecca who said it

[Kevin]

does he stay with quade... try to go big splash with a big name... or hometown fav sandberg ?

I don't know man he was a hell of rp and he acts too, what bigger name do you want?

[underdog]

As much as I thought Tito was overrated as a manager, I genuinely hope he goes to the Cubs and he and Theo win a WS there. I hold no ill-will to either of those guys.

[sailor]

As much as I thought Tito was overrated as a manager, I genuinely hope he goes to the Cubs and he and Theo win a WS there. I hold no ill-will to either of those guys.

if anything i thought he was under-rated as a manager. even when they won the series, boston acted like it was in spite of him.

[underdog]

if anything i thought he was under-rated as a manager. even when they won the series, boston acted like it was in spite of him.

I think it was.

I shouldn't say in spite of him. I just think he had less to do with the team than most people give him credit for. He was the perfect management manager. He did whatever the front office told him to.

[A.J.]

the more i read, the more and more i feel bad for Carl Crawford and the less I hate him. I think he didnt really wanna be in boston, but the money was huge, so he was liek fuck it, ill make it work.

I agree. I'm willing to give him a pass on his first year because he went from that wasteland in Tampa to the fishbowl that is Boston.

In the days that followed Francona's dismissal, very few Sox players stepped to his defense. Francona was understandably hurt by that, but it wasn't as if he didn't see it coming. Players whom Francona had defended (Varitek), supported through difficult times (David Ortiz) and considered to be almost like a son (Jon Lester) had already tuned him out long before the late collapse.

Just like I said before. I'm really disappointed in Tek.

[OGC]

I agree. I'm willing to give him a pass on his first year because he went from that wasteland in Tampa to the fishbowl that is Boston.



Just like I said before. I'm really disappointed in Tek.


and David Ortiz. Going on tv and saying he doesn't know if he wants to come back to Boston because of the atmosphere in the clubhouse.

How about you step up and do something about it big guy.

[Jujubees2]

Michael Kay, of all people, came up with a great idea today. Instead of the sox allowing theo to go to Chicago and gettin back whatever player in compensation, they should tell the cubs that the compensation is they have to take Lackey and the rest of his deal. We will let you have Theo, you dont have to give us ANYTHING, but you have to take Lackey's deal

Apparently Kay reads the Boston Globe.

From Nick Cafardo on Oct. 4

What can the Red Sox do?

- In addition to Epstein, you trade, as some bloggers have suggested, John Lackey and the remainder of his contract to the Cubs. That would give the Cubs a Carlos Zambrano-Lackey tandem. Good luck, Theo.

[Rhah]

Just wanted to pop in here as a Cubs fan and thank you guys for Epstein. Although I am sure he has 99% chance to fail, Chicago Cubs is where super star players and/or front office people come to die.

[CountryBob]

Just wanted to pop in here as a Cubs fan and thank you guys for Epstein. Although I am sure he has 99% chance to fail, Chicago Cubs is where super star players and/or front office people come to die.

You have been negative lately - maybe you need to take a trip to Positive land.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In the daily news today there was just some talk about Ortiz coming to NY. Its possible but I dont think it will happen. If anything NY should sign Damon

[A.J.]

Nice (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7095696/the-collapse-red-sox)

[Kevin]

Nice (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7095696/the-collapse-red-sox)

Simmons has fagged out lately but that was on point pretty much.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Simmons has fagged out lately but that was on point pretty much.

"Hi! I'm a byline!"

[Tenbatsuzen]

I hate the Patriots, but what Aaron Hernandez did today was fucking hilarious. Big props to him.

It's on Deadspin if you want to see it.

[Snoogans]

In the daily news today there was just some talk about Ortiz coming to NY. Its possible but I dont think it will happen. If anything NY should sign Damon

what the fuck would the yankees even do with him, make him ARods backup DH?

[Snoogans]

Simmons has fagged out lately but that was on point pretty much.

that wasnt simmons, that was some other fag who writes for Grantland.

Who, btw, apparently put all of the articles it posted in the first 3 months into a book that its SELLING, despite the fact, you know, the articles are on grantland free

[Kevin]

that wasnt simmons, that was some other fag who writes for Grantland.

Who, btw, apparently put all of the articles it posted in the first 3 months into a book that its SELLING, despite the fact, you know, the articles are on grantland free

Awesome

[Snoogans]

read this (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/oct/12/liverpool-boston-red-sox-henry)

im reading it right now, if it doesnt link to part 2 of the article at the end, ill post the link for it. very interesting thing abotu John Henry

[Snoogans]

part deux (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/oct/13/john-w-henry-liverpool-boston)

[underdog]

that wasnt simmons, that was some other fag who writes for Grantland.

Who, btw, apparently put all of the articles it posted in the first 3 months into a book that its SELLING, despite the fact, you know, the articles are on grantland free

He's the main writer for Parks & Rec and played Mose on The Office (and was one of the main writers during it's good times). He also was Ken Tremendous on Fire Joe Morgan.

[underdog]

I hate the Patriots, but what Aaron Hernandez did today was fucking hilarious. Big props to him.

It's on Deadspin if you want to see it.

I wonder if BB is going to sit him for the next three games now.

[A.J.]

part deux (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/oct/13/john-w-henry-liverpool-boston)

I hope he walks alone.

Fucking Scousers.

[cougarjake13]

that wasnt simmons, that was some other fag who writes for Grantland.

Who, btw, apparently put all of the articles it posted in the first 3 months into a book that its SELLING, despite the fact, you know, the articles are on grantland free

for the red necks who dont have innerwebs

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This might be good news for RedSox fans

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7125927/san-diego-padres-discussed-acquiring-john-lackey-report-says

[A.J.]

This might be good news for RedSox fans

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7125927/san-diego-padres-discussed-acquiring-john-lackey-report-says

That might be GREAT news.

[Snoogans]

That might be GREAT news.

ehh, it really means nothing to me if we still have to eat the money. Lackey sucks, but after you eat the cash, you wont exactly be able to run out and sign some other big time guy. In fact, prob they will sign another bum in his place.

[A.J.]

ehh, it really means nothing to me if we still have to eat the money. Lackey sucks, but after you eat the cash, you wont exactly be able to run out and sign some other big time guy. In fact, prob they will sign another bum in his place.

This is a team that paid $50 million just to TALK to Dice-K. Maybe having to eat this money will make them learn not to waste big contacts on shitty pitchers.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I think theres another Japanese pitcher out there. If you guys want him he's yours Yanks already got burned with Irabu and Igawa

[cougarjake13]

ehh, it really means nothing to me if we still have to eat the money. Lackey sucks, but after you eat the cash, you wont exactly be able to run out and sign some other big time guy. In fact, prob they will sign another bum in his place.

i never understood why a team would do this

u still pay the money but hes no longer on ur team and u might get some decent prospects or players that u also have to pay

[Jujubees2]

This is a team that paid $50 million just to TALK to Dice-K. Maybe having to eat this money will make them learn not to waste big contacts on shitty pitchers.

I heard Dice K would sit in the club house during games eating sushi and drinking sake.

[Kevin]

I heard Dice K would sit in the club house during games eating sushi and drinking sake.

please, he was practicing his 9 pitches that he does not throw or throws terribly.

That Gyro ball is coming any minute now.

[DOHO@HOME]

I heard Dice K would sit in the club house during games eating sushi and drinking sake.

While folding laundry and foot rub downs to whoever would request it.

[cougarjake13]

I think theres another Japanese pitcher out there. If you guys want him he's yours Yanks already got burned with Irabu and Igawa

and to a lesser extent ching ming wang

[brettmojo]

and to a lesser extent ching ming wang
Yeah but that was injuries. I don't think they really wasted a lot of cash on him either. When he was healthy he won 19 games in consecutive seasons with eras under 4.00

[CruelCircus]

and to a lesser extent ching ming wang

He's from Taiwan.

[Kevin]

He's from Taiwan.

Bah.

Tiawan Japan what's the difference.

[Snoogans]

Bah.

Tiawan Japan what's the difference.

one of them just got microwaved.....one makes our clothes for really cheap

[OGC]

It looks like Red Sox fans won't have John Lackey to kick around next year. (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/10/26/lackey_needs_surgery_will_miss_2012_season/)

[A.J.]

It looks like Red Sox fans won't have John Lackey to kick around next year. (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/10/26/lackey_needs_surgery_will_miss_2012_season/)

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[OGC]

It looks like Red Sox fans won't have John Lackey to kick around next year. (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/10/26/lackey_needs_surgery_will_miss_2012_season/)

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

yeah, it would be perfect news if they weren't still on the hook for his salary and could spend it on someone else.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There goes that Burnett for Lackey deal

[Kevin]

There goes that Burnett for Lackey deal

Why would you even consider that as a Yankee fan.

What does Burnett have, 2 more years?

Lackey i think has 4

[Kevin]

yeah, it would be perfect news if they weren't still on the hook for his salary and could spend it on someone else.

Well, technically they are not.

They get insurance on him, so its a plus all around for the sox.

[brettmojo]

It looks like Red Sox fans won't have John Lackey to kick around next year. (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/10/26/lackey_needs_surgery_will_miss_2012_season/)
LOL

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why would you even consider that as a Yankee fan.

What does Burnett have, 2 more years?

Lackey i think has 4

It was in jest.

[OGC]

yeah, it would be perfect news if they weren't still on the hook for his salary and could spend it on someone else.

Well, technically they are not.

They get insurance on him, so its a plus all around for the sox.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: :thumbup:

[Snoogans]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: :thumbup:

it doesnt work that way. The insurance only picks up the contract if he cant play anymore, period. He will be back before the end of the deal, so the sox still have to pay the money

[OGC]

It looks like we Sox fans won't have Papelbon to kick around anymore either (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/11/report_papelbon_2.html)

[A.J.]

The second half Bard had last year doesn't exactly fill me with optimism.

[Kevin]

The second half Bard had last year doesn't exactly fill me with optimism.

Come on.

He throws 100mph straight

[A.J.]

Come on.

He throws 100mph straight

And then the ball goes straight over the Monster.

[Kevin]

And then the ball goes straight over the Monster.

Danial Bardsworth?

[epo]

Bah.

Tiawan Japan what's the difference.

You must be talking about Yu Darvish?

[Jujubees2]

The hell with Paps leaving, this is worse!

Watney leaving NESN (http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2011/11/watney_leaving_nesn.html)

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHirv3EYp38_qpcv_fgC8APatEXNCzs pCD7GjWvM0nZgbftI_q

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You must be talking about Yu Darvish?

Probably so. Theres been a lot of talk of him crossing the Pacific. Dont want him. Im still trying to forget Irabu and Igawa. Im sure his team will want a shit ton of money just to meet with the guy , I think Boston paid 50 million foe Dice K

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The hell with Paps leaving, this is worse!

Watney leaving NESN (http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2011/11/watney_leaving_nesn.html)

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHirv3EYp38_qpcv_fgC8APatEXNCzs pCD7GjWvM0nZgbftI_q

First Hazal Mae and now her. Hey NESN do you want Kim Jones?

[Fallon]

The hell with Paps leaving, this is worse!

Watney leaving NESN (http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2011/11/watney_leaving_nesn.html)

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHirv3EYp38_qpcv_fgC8APatEXNCzs pCD7GjWvM0nZgbftI_q

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/68106/1434995-vader_no_super.jpg

[Fallon]

First Hazal Mae and now her. Hey NESN do you want Kim Jones?

Kathryn Tappen joined NHL network this year too. NESN is really lacking in bimbos.

[A.J.]

The hell with Paps leaving, this is worse!

Watney leaving NESN (http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2011/11/watney_leaving_nesn.html)

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHirv3EYp38_qpcv_fgC8APatEXNCzs pCD7GjWvM0nZgbftI_q

GODDAMMIT.

[Kevin]

GODDAMMIT.

If you guys drank a mans beer maybe they wouldn't leave you.

[OGC]

Kathryn Tappen joined NHL network this year too. NESN is really lacking in bimbos.

I'm sure they'll manage to find one somewhere.

[Snoogans]

we should hire lackeys wife

[A.J.]

Bobby V??? They're going to treat him like a substitute teacher.

[TjM]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/5/4/03d1a4f0-0055-4447-9fab-b143cc46c247.jpg

[Jujubees2]

Bobby V??? They're going to treat him like a substitute teacher.

It was either him or Gene Lamont who they would have treated like the senile old grandfather.

[A.J.]

I wanted to give Sandy Jr. a shot.

[cougarjake13]

It was either him or Gene Lamont who they would have treated like the senile old grandfather.

1. who knew lamont was still alive

2. why were both candidates guys who havent managed in 10 yrs or more

[Snoogans]

i woulda given a pebble in CF the fuckin job before stupid bobby V. I cant wait til we sign every japanese guy in the world, and benny agbayani

[A.J.]

i woulda given a pebble in CF the fuckin job before stupid bobby V. I cant wait til we sign every japanese guy in the world, and benny agbayani

And make him bat leadoff.

[cougarjake13]

i woulda given a pebble in CF the fuckin job before stupid bobby V. I cant wait til we sign every japanese guy in the world, and benny agbayani

the return of timo perez is imminent

[WRESTLINGFAN]

the return of timo perez is imminent

Turk Wendell is going to be the closer

[Snoogans]

id rather have Jimmy V as manager

[cougarjake13]

bobby v press conference on espn news now

[Snoogans]

its on TV Nippon if you wanna hear the japanese version

[OGC]

bobby v press conference on espn news now

best thing about the press conference is that Heidi Watney is (so far) still on NESN and is on screen right now.

[Dan 'Hampton]

He's a squirmy little weirdo. Should be an interesting season.

[cougarjake13]

best thing about the press conference is that Heidi Watney is (so far) still on NESN and is on screen right now.

pics ?

[OGC]

pics ?

she looked a lot like see does in this picture.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHirv3EYp38_qpcv_fgC8APatEXNCzs pCD7GjWvM0nZgbftI_q

In fact she looked even better because she was standing next to John Henry.

[cougarjake13]

she looked a lot like see does in this picture.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHirv3EYp38_qpcv_fgC8APatEXNCzs pCD7GjWvM0nZgbftI_q

In fact she looked even better because she was standing next to John Henry.



nice and a lil chunk to

[A.J.]

she looked a lot like see does in this picture.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHirv3EYp38_qpcv_fgC8APatEXNCzs pCD7GjWvM0nZgbftI_q

In fact she looked even better because she was standing next to John Henry.

Pity it wasn't John Henry's wife. There would have been a Boston Cream Pie in my pants.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/27/article-2030767-0D6AC4BB00000578-229_468x434.jpg

[OGC]

Pity it wasn't John Henry's wife. There would have been a Boston Cream Pie in my pants.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/27/article-2030767-0D6AC4BB00000578-229_468x434.jpg

Damn, I never knew that !!!

[spoon]

Bobby V??? They're going to treat him like a substitute teacher.

that's hilarious, yet I think Bobby can hold his own with the players and boston

i just thought he'd stay in the NL in the end, not to mention the Cubs may be a void in the MLB, but man to go there and win for once would make anyone a legend. i thought he'd be at least interested in that team, especially since it's been done in Boston of late, and he would have to accomplish much more in a much tougher division to do so

i always liked the madman, especially since I was at the game vs my Jays when he donned the disguise after getting tossed. it was hilarious and he's a good bball mind with a kid's attitude.

[cougarjake13]

that's hilarious, yet I think Bobby can hold his own with the players and boston

i just thought he'd stay in the NL in the end, not to mention the Cubs may be a void in the MLB, but man to go there and win for once would make anyone a legend. i thought he'd be at least interested in that team, especially since it's been done in Boston of late, and he would have to accomplish much more in a much tougher division to do so

i always liked the madman, especially since I was at the game vs my Jays when he donned the disguise after getting tossed. it was hilarious and he's a good bball mind with a kid's attitude.

he may have been interested and they werent

[spoon]

he may have been interested and they werent

yah, they seemed pretty dead set on the ghost of ned yost

[Fallon]

Molly Sullivan might be the new NESN girl for the Sox.

http://www.sidelinehotties.com/images/2008/05/reporter-molly-sullivan-7.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/sincitysessions/l_e42e6a356ab9a8bd1d7d520499b1ae42.jpg

[Dan 'Hampton]

I'm good with that!

[cougarjake13]

Good god damn I may have start watching nesn

[Snoogans]

Molly Sullivan might be the new NESN girl for the Sox.

http://www.sidelinehotties.com/images/2008/05/reporter-molly-sullivan-7.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/sincitysessions/l_e42e6a356ab9a8bd1d7d520499b1ae42.jpg

can she pitch?

[A.J.]

A name like "Molly Sullivan" will never play well in Boston.

[cougarjake13]

Don't know if she can pitch but I'm sure she can catch

[OGC]

She's nice but not as hot as Heidi.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I like the Toucher and Rich proposition to just get the chick with the largest cans as Heidi's replacement as it isn't a real reporter job.

[Jujubees2]

How dare this chick blame it on Captain Carl!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_nSVzwq-z7RY/S-9lBsQti9I/AAAAAAAABEs/vjjK7ATUVWE/s1600/Carl+Yastrzemski.jpg

Teen says blood clot after taking Yaz destroyed her life (http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/08/9303600-teen-says-blood-clot-after-taking-yaz-destroyed-her-life)

[spoon]

boo:thumbdown:

[zildjian361]

BV manager :laugh::smoke::drunk:

[spoon]

translation?

[Kevin]

translation?

He thinks Bobby V sucks?

[spoon]

He thinks Bobby V sucks?

wow, we found your skill

you're a zildj whisperer!




nice work!

[A.J.]

Teen says blood clot after taking Yaz destroyed her life (http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/08/9303600-teen-says-blood-clot-after-taking-yaz-destroyed-her-life)

This Yaz might give you AIDS.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Yaz_-_Don%27t_Go.jpg

[joeyballsack]

Bard to the rotation ? (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/12/bobby_valentine_1.html)

This has disaster written all over it.

What a terrible off season.

[Jujubees2]

Bard to the rotation ? (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/12/bobby_valentine_1.html)

This has disaster written all over it.

What a terrible off season.

Didn't they try that with Paps one year too?

[cougarjake13]

I think they were going to try with apps but then they won world series with him and kept him as closer

[OGC]

Bard to the rotation ? (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/12/bobby_valentine_1.html)

This has disaster written all over it.

What a terrible off season.

then they had better find someone to close for them then

[Snoogans]

Bard to the rotation ? (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/12/bobby_valentine_1.html)

This has disaster written all over it.

What a terrible off season.

whats the matter, he doesnt give up enough runs throwing 20 straight fastballs a game, now we are gonna make him throw 100?

[Snoogans]

Didn't they try that with Paps one year too?

I think they were going to try with apps but then they won world series with him and kept him as closer

paps was a starter. he came up as one. we moved him to the pen cause of need, sorta like the yanks did with joba. also, we thought it would help prevent a shoulder condition he obviously didnt even have.

We moved him back to the pen cause we had no one else to close

[cougarjake13]

Well this way hell only lose every fifth game for u instead if blowing saves

[Snoogans]

Well this way hell only lose every fifth game for u instead if blowing saves

the way we pitch, there is only a save chance every 5th game anyway

[A.J.]

Sox send Jed Lowrie and Kyle Weiland to the Astros for Mark Melancon and Nick Punto.

[cougarjake13]

Melancon to be closer?

[Snoogans]

Melancon to be closer?

as long as its not bard

[Dan 'Hampton]

Bard has by far the better stuff. Just not the attitude. This guy will be 7th or 8th inning guy.

[cougarjake13]

Bard has by far the better stuff. Just not the attitude. This guy will be 7th or 8th inning guy.

thought bard was going to the rotation ?

[Dan 'Hampton]

He is supposedly. I dont like the idea of him scaling back his fastball so we can get him to eat innings.

[Snoogans]

He is supposedly. I dont like the idea of him scaling back his fastball so we can get him to eat innings.

wait, thats real? I thought that was a fuckin joke. Dont you need like 3 good pitches to start?

[A.J.]

Red Sox sign former Mets hurler John Maine (Minor League deal) (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120127&content_id=26491858&vkey=news_bos&c_id=bos)

[cougarjake13]

Minor league deal ain't much for taking a flyer on a guy u never know he might turn out decent

[Snoogans]

cant be worse than some of the shit we were throwing out last year, like fuckin Kyle Weiland

[A.J.]

And Bobby Jenks.

[OGC]

And Bobby Jenks.


did he actually pitch last year ?

[Kevin]

Yes...

Very terribly..

[OGC]

Yes...

Very terribly..

oh, I know he took the mound, but would you actually call it pitching ?

[OGC]

NESN adds Jenny Dell as new field reporter (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2012/01/nesn_adds_dell.html)

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/assets_c/2012/01/jennydell-thumb-250x375-62378.jpg

[cougarjake13]

Dude you're getting a dell

[Dan 'Hampton]

My bet is she's banging salty by the all star game.

[Kevin]

Man what a huge offseason this was for the Sox.

75% of this thread has been side reporter whores.

[cougarjake13]

Man what a huge offseason this was for the Sox.

75% of this thread has been side reporter whores.

Haha

They can't sign gonzalezes and crawfords every year

[OGC]

Haha

They can't sign gonzalezes and crawfords every year

and if they did make mega signings, the rest of the country would be complaining that they are trying to buy a championship.

[cougarjake13]

and if they did make mega signings, the rest of the country would be complaining that they are trying to buy a championship.



Yankees lite

[A.J.]

Man what a huge offseason this was for the Sox.

75% of this thread has been side reporter whores.

Jealous?

[cougarjake13]

Jealous?



Very well might be
All he's got is Susan waldman

[Snoogans]

Very well might be
All he's got is Susan waldman

and his secret fantasy, Kim Jones

[Snoogans]

and if they did make mega signings, the rest of the country would be complaining that they are trying to buy a championship.

they shoulda let papi fuckin walk and signed prince though. they had like 50 mill come off the books, they really shoulda done something, other than buying more worthless midfielders for Liverpool

[WRESTLINGFAN]

they shoulda let papi fuckin walk and signed prince though. they had like 50 mill come off the books, they really shoulda done something, other than buying more worthless midfielders for Liverpool

They already have A Gone locked up for 7 more years. Plus he couldnt move over to 3rd, Hes a lefty throwing as well

[Snoogans]

They already have A Gone locked up for 7 more years. Plus he couldnt move over to 3rd, Hes a lefty throwing as well

which is why they shoulda let papi go so they had the DH free you dummy. then they could play both of them half at first and half at DH and keep them both fresh toward the ends of the year.

I wouldnt expect your lack of foresight to figure those things out

[A.J.]

I'd rather they spend money like that on a consistent starting pitcher.

[Snoogans]

I'd rather they spend money like that on a consistent starting pitcher.

but there wasnt one of those. I didnt wanna give that kinda money to CJ Wilson, i dont think he is that good. And even still, you had 50 mil coming off the books. prince got like 25, you still woulda had plenty to sign good pitching.

All of a sudden the sox are penny pinching after liverpool dropped 90 mill in like 3 weeks. Its kinda pissing me off. Who the fuck is even playing RF now? Are we really gonna sign a guy whose best year in the cuban league he hit 252?

its almost like henry and them have decided to ride this crappy team as salary goes down and just count his money. Maybe they feel burned on the Crawford deal, but that shouldnt stop you from making what seem like good deals. If that deal was so expensive it was gonna handcuff them, they shouldnt have done it, even if he had a great year

[A.J.]

I know. I was just wishing out loud.

And not any of those fucking Dice-K/Lackey deals that always end up biting us on the ass.

I'm not giving up on Crawford just yet. I'd like to think his slump last year was due to the pressure and scrutiny of the fishbowl that is Boston.

RF? It'll probably be Sweeney and/or D-Mac.

[Snoogans]

I know. I was just wishing out loud.

And not any of those fucking Dice-K/Lackey deals that always end up biting us on the ass.

I'm not giving up on Crawford just yet. I'd like to think his slump last year was due to the pressure and scrutiny of the fishbowl that is Boston.

RF? It'll probably be Sweeney and/or D-Mac.

im not giving up on crawford. in fact, alot of things i heard about him and his reaction to the teammates gives me hope on him still. He seems to have too much pride to just mail in the rest of the deal. As for right field, i really think we are gonna sign Pussy Juice, and ill be fuckin PISSED. If we go into the year having not signed a great pitcher, not signed prince fielder, reupped Papi and then we decide to let Darnell Fuckin McDonald play right field, ill lose my fuckin shit. seriously.

and regardless, i made the crawford deal point to eschew it. I dont think any of these deals are biting the sox in the ass. If they had given prince that deal det did, and say signed CJ wilson for 20 a year and given some OF another 10, the payroll would still be at like 170. There is no way, with all the BS and all the 20 dollar red sox nation cards, that anyone can tell me the sox cant afford a payroll over 165 mill. If they couldnt afford that, HOW THE FUCK DID THEY AFFORD TO GIVE ALL THAT MONEY FOR CARROLL AND SUAREZ AND STUPID JORDAN HENDERSON AND ALL THESE OTHER BUMS THEY BOUGHT IN ENGLAND SINCE JULY.

[A.J.]

John Henry's a Scouser now.

[OGC]

how do they have $50 million coming off the books ? J.D. Drew is gone thats about $15 million. Dike-K and Lackey are still on the payroll even though they won't be pitching.

edit: Varitek too, whatwas he getting paid last year ?

[Snoogans]

how do they have $50 million coming off the books ? J.D. Drew is gone thats about $15 million. Dike-K and Lackey are still on the payroll even though they won't be pitching.


they would have had had they not reupped papi. this whole thing was based on letting papi walk. They lost drew, they lost papi. that alone was like 30 mill. then between other dudes they had, and a few international FAs who never cut it, they had about 50 mill scheduled to come off. it didnt cause they kept papi and did alot of minor shit. but they would have

[Snoogans]

this link (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ah4PW47PiAi-dFJHNHQzMXVTdzg2ck40MVMxX21kVEE&output=html)

shows last years deals and who was coming off.

The lost the 14 mill of JD Drew, 12.5 of papi, 7 mill of cameron, the 10 mill of paps.

Just those 4 guys makes 43.5. drop the 2 mill tek and wake were each gettin, now you are up to 47.5. reyes and tazawa for a combine 2.5 mill were still on our books too.

the payroll was 163 and we had 101 set to be on the books NOT counting agones ext. that puts it right around 50 mill off


edit,: paps was actually gettin 12. so add 2 mill to that first example

[OGC]

this link (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ah4PW47PiAi-dFJHNHQzMXVTdzg2ck40MVMxX21kVEE&output=html)

shows last years deals and who was coming off.

The lost the 14 mill of JD Drew, 12.5 of papi, 7 mill of cameron, the 10 mill of paps.

Just those 4 guys makes 43.5. drop the 2 mill tek and wake were each gettin, now you are up to 47.5. reyes and tazawa for a combine 2.5 mill were still on our books too.

the payroll was 163 and we had 101 set to be on the books NOT counting agones ext. that puts it right around 50 mill off


edit,: paps was actually gettin 12. so add 2 mill to that first example


i had forgotten about paplebon and cameron.

I had heard that they are tired of paying the luxury tax so they are trying to cut their payroll. It's not my money so I think they should spend more.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

which is why they shoulda let papi go so they had the DH free you dummy. then they could play both of them half at first and half at DH and keep them both fresh toward the ends of the year.

I wouldnt expect your lack of foresight to figure those things out

Yea let 2 men in their prime making 20+ million in a spot where all you have to do is batting practice for that.


:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[Snoogans]

Yea let 2 men in their prime making 20+ million in a spot where all you have to do is batting practice for that.


:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

arent you a yankees fan?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

arent you a yankees fan?

Yes



However if Boston didnt sign A Gone to a long term extension Prince Fielder would have been a great pickup for them.


Ortiz is going to have another good year, He will get his 30 HR

[A.J.]

Truck Day! :clap:

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/truckday607.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

MLB Network reports Wakefield to retire

[A.J.]

Dammit. I wanted him to get one more year as a farewell.

Or it would have been cool if the Pirates signed him for one year to go out as a Buc.

[Snoogans]

Dammit. I wanted him to get one more year as a farewell.

Or it would have been cool if the Pirates signed him for one year to go out as a Buc.

please. we shoulda came out to the mound and put the tent up around him in august. those old soft tendons would be prefect for rubber cement

[A.J.]

please. we shoulda came out to the mound and put the tent up around him in august. those old soft tendons would be prefect for rubber cement

I'll remember that when Andrew Miller comes in the game.

[OGC]

Cubs send minor league reliever Chris Carpenter to the Red Sox as compensation for the signing of Theo Epstein. (http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_20010699)

Thank goodness. That solves Boston's bullpen problems. :huh:

[A.J.]

Good. Now can we please get rid of Jenks and Albers?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

John Henry apologizes to Carl Crawford

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7614424/boston-red-sox-owner-john-henry-apologizes-carl-crawford

[OGC]

Bobby Valentine flexes his muscle as the new Red Sox manager as he bans alcohol in the club house (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/redsox/story/2012-02-25/Clubhouse-Alcohol-Ban/53248182/1)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fried Chicken still allowed

[sailor]

And wraps.