~ 2012 MLB Off-Season Thread ~

[spoon]

I suggest we start a new thread for the year bc the other should be locked up and filed for prosperity. Also, it's a mess looking back to see the divide bt seasons, off seasons and all that shit.

So rf.net, let the season begin.

Nice start for the Jays overall, but just one game. I think the biggest piece missing is a veteran horse at the top of the rotation, which of course we traded away at least once and twice if you count Marcum. Otherwise, the team is stacked with power, bullpen is solid and they finally have some much/long needed speed at the top of the lineup. Add to this a manager willing to play small ball in games when needed, and not play vets just to get them contracts versus kids getting their shot...I'm pretty excited.

Soon enough the Jays will be calling up the likes of Lawrie, Gose, Thames and Stewart which shows how close some of the kids are at this point. This will allow for some possible moves later, with the likes of E3, Lind, Rivera and more. Win or lose, the team will be more exciting to watch with the infusion of youth and potential versus home run or nothing team of the past.

[Snacks]

I hope the jays rookie catches goes nuts. In my league we have to start 2 catchers so I took a shot on him and he started off the season with a hr adn 4 rbis.

[Snacks]

Sorry, the Blue Jays rookie catcher had 2 hrs and 5 rbis! Nice!!!

[spoon]

Sorry, the Blue Jays rookie catcher had 2 hrs and 5 rbis! Nice!!!

And a triple, yet he already has a history of starting like a madman only to cool to polar cap proportions. Still, he's a young mofo. Spring training he was completely focused on learning the staff and his D, as Cito hardly used him after his callup last year. He got about 11 games even though up for about 2 months so Gaston could get Buck at bats to reach home run numbers and get a big contract surely elsewhere. Yah, still mad at that and Lind not getting time at first as well.

[spoon]

E5 gets his position back to start the year when first the Jays claimed they were moving on, then resigned him only to DH, then to play first, only to end up all the way back to 3rd. You know, the place he lives with errors and JustJon like throws in which error barely does it justice.

Fuck E5, at least you didn't leave me hanging by getting error 1 out of the way on opening night! Bravo fucko!

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5030/5572577874_8217b452e6_z.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

E5 gets his position back to start the year when first the Jays claimed they were moving on, then resigned him only to DH, then to play first, only to end up all the way back to 3rd. You know, the place he lives with errors and JustJon like throws in which error barely does it justice.

Fuck E5, at least you didn't leave me hanging by getting error 1 out of the way on opening night! Bravo fucko!

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5030/5572577874_8217b452e6_z.jpg

What's with the bad photoshop? Is that supposed to be someone?

[spoon]

Yah it's actually pretty fucking funny to those in the know. That's the heir apparent at third (Brett Lawrie) currently in the minors that Toronto just got from epo's Brewers via trade this off season. While he was expected to be a few years away, he's made some amazing strides this year even moved to a brand new position (2nd to 3rd). His biggest issue, as seen in the picture, is he's barley out of his teens now and that shot was from his facebook while playing edward forty hands. Oof!

Still, the shitty photoshop only enhances it to me. Cracked me up when I saw it. Edwin Encarnacion's time at third are surely numbered!

:lol:

[A.J.]

Have at.

[TheGameHHH]

Red Sox suck

[cougarjake13]

rays and mets too

[A.J.]

Red Sox suck

Why? They won a game!

[TheGameHHH]

Why? They won a game!

perhaps they'll win more than that

[Dan 'Hampton]

Joba is a fat fuck.

[A.J.]

perhaps they'll win more than that

Oh if only....

[cougarjake13]

just have no care bout the season yet

[KnoxHarrington]

I've been watching Ken Burns' doc "Baseball" to get myself in the mood for the season. Netflix just put it up on streaming, and it does include his "Tenth Inning" film which fills in the history of baseball since the time the doc originally aired in 1994. Good stuff, even if there's a bit too much Billy Crystal in it. Very highly recommended, though god damn is it long as hell: the whole thing, counting "The Tenth Inning", is nearly 24 hours long.

One thing I was reminded of watching it: "Cool Papa" Bell might be the goddam coolest name any athlete has ever had.

[TripleSkeet]

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One thing I was reminded of watching it: "Cool Papa" Bell might be the goddam coolest name any athlete has ever had.

I kinda like the Oil Can myself.

[TheGameHHH]

Something is going on with Josh Johnson through 7 innings, I don't know what it is but it's something

EDIT: Well, scratch that

[cougarjake13]

Something is going on with Josh Johnson through 7 innings, I don't know what it is but it's something

EDIT: Well, scratch that

thats the second time this year hes took a no no deep into a game

[hanso]

Ped's have been passed out home runs all around.

[brettmojo]

Ped's have been passed out home runs all around.
In all honesty... I wouldn't be surprised if this was true.

[hanso]

I packed my fantasy team with sluggers. Week 1 maybe 2 hrs. Week 2 six hrs. going into Fri..

[spoon]

Have at.

Already a thread you bastard! :wink:

Delicious Thread (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=90304)

Merge time!

:devil2:

[TripleSkeet]

I packed my fantasy team with sluggers. Week 1 maybe 2 hrs. Week 2 six hrs. going into Fri..

Im the same way, I go for power. I had one of my best drafts this year I think.

[hanso]

Im the same way, I go for power. I had one of my best drafts this year I think.

Same here I did pre ranked auto draft. And went by 10's for each pick using yahoo ratings. Only my first pick didn't go for me. Got all the rest.

[TheGameHHH]

Im the same way, I go for power. I had one of my best drafts this year I think.

I was really stoked to grab Pujols and Hamilton this year, so far its working out amazing for me

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No link yet but MLB has taken over the Dodgers due to the McCourt divorce proceedings

[KnoxHarrington]

No link yet but MLB has taken over the Dodgers due to the McCourt divorce proceedings

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/20/major-league-baseball-takes-control-of-dodgers/?hpt=T2

"I have taken this action because of my deep concerns regarding the finances and operations of the Dodgers and to protect the best interests of the club, its great fans and all of Major League Baseball," MLB Commissioner Bud Selig said Wednesday. "My office will continue its thorough investigation into the operations and finances of the Dodgers and related entities during the period of Mr. (Frank) McCourt's ownership. I will announce the name of my representative in the next several days.

"The Dodgers have been one of the most prestigious franchises in all of sports, and we owe it to their legion of loyal fans to ensure that this club is being operated properly now and will be guided appropriately in the future."

The league's action follows reports that McCourt has needed to borrow money to meet payroll obligations, would need to pay his wife to become sole owner of the team, and recently met with baseball officials over a proposed TV deal with Fox.

What a fucking disgrace.

[spoon]

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/20/major-league-baseball-takes-control-of-dodgers/?hpt=T2



What a fucking disgrace.

What a completely ugly divorce going on there.

[spoon]

Guess who made an appearance on ESPN News earlier tonight? Yep, your fav!


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[TheGameHHH]

What a completely ugly divorce going on there.

I'd like to see this chick run the Dodgers, who's the last prominent female MLB has had run a team? Marge Schott?!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'd like to see this chick run the Dodgers, who's the last prominent female MLB has had run a team? Marge Schott?!

Love this cover


http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1996/0520_large.jpg

[A.J.]

I'd like to see this chick run the Dodgers, who's the last prominent female MLB has had run a team? Marge Schott?!

http://www.uncoached.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/sports_movie_villains_11.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Phillies fans have gotten weak, 30 years ago some drunken fan would have run onto the field and smashed that thing

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[TheGameHHH]

Interesting read on WAR & the HOF

Geek out Saber-homos (http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/04/20/the-hall-of-not-famous-enough/?hpt=T2)

[underdog]

Francisco Liriano throws the first no-hitter of the year, keeping him from being sent down tomorrow.

Also, if he wasn't in a 3-2 count at the end of the game, that's a base hit and the tying run probably scores.

[TheGameHHH]

Francisco Liriano throws the first no-hitter of the year, keeping him from being sent down tomorrow.

Also, if he wasn't in a 3-2 count at the end of the game, that's a base hit and the tying run probably scores.

love the 6 walks and 2 strikeouts as well

[underdog]

love the 6 walks and 2 strikeouts as well

yeah, that was not a very dominant no-hitter.

[joeyballsack]

Edwin Jackson'ish

[keithy_19]

Take me out to that Twins game
Take me out to that dome
Hey Minneapolis, hey St. Paul
We don't even care when we don't get the call
Because it's root, root, root for the Minnesota Twins
And it's always a shame when the Twins don't win
And it's one, and it's two, and it's three strikes you're out
At that Twins ballgame

[Earlshog]

Angels GM Tony Reagins announced Wednesday that Kendrys Morales, who hasn't played all season while recovering from leg surgery last year, will have more surgery and be out a minimum of six months, according to Dr. Lewis Yocum. "It's definitely a challenge for us," Reagins said. "Not having Kendrys is a big part of what we do in the middle of the lineup, so it's definitely a significant blow for us. But having been able to go through the season last year without Kendrys, I think the team has learned how to deal with his absence and move forward." The surgery will clean out the scar tissue, but the original fracture has healed. "Clean up any debris that we see in the ankle, any of the arthritic changes that have developed in the ankle," Yocum said. "Address any of the pathologic changes that they see."

[TheGameHHH]

Great celebration Kendry

[OGC]

Fuck could can Joe Buck have a more monotonous voice ? And of course McCarver is one of the biggest loads in all of sports.

:thumbdown:

Time to turn off the sound and turn on the radio.

[joeyballsack]

I will take those two anytime over the homer wagon that the Yes broadcasters are.

[Snacks]

ESPN just replayed the 30 for 30 4 Days in October. I missed it the 1st time it aired and really wanted to see it. What a great sports documentary this was! They recreated the experience perfectly. What they did as a team and individuals deserves nothing but respect from baseball fans! Red Sox fans must love that it was the Yanks who had the biggest collapse in all of Sports history?!

[Dan 'Hampton]

A cracked open beers for it. I liked it minus the Lenny Clarke and Bill Simmons parts and i like both those guys.

[disneyspy]

hockey season is over for me,HOW BOUT THEM TIGERS! 9-1 their last 10 games

[WRESTLINGFAN]

R.I.P. Harmon Killbrew

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2011/05/17/2011-05-17_harmon_killebrew_twins_hall_of_fame_slugger_dea d_at_74_after_battle_with_esophag.html

[TheGameHHH]

R.I.P. Harmon Killbrew

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2011/05/17/2011-05-17_harmon_killebrew_twins_hall_of_fame_slugger_dea d_at_74_after_battle_with_esophag.html

When I was a kid I was always fascinated with Killebrew, I don't know why. I remember watching him on that old Home Run Derby show and I just got hooked on him. My dad always talked highly of him as a ballplayer too so I'm sure that also played a big role in me liking him. There aren't too many of those old time greats left, its sad to see him go and a sad day for baseball.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

When I was a kid I was always fascinated with Killebrew, I don't know why. I remember watching him on that old Home Run Derby show and I just got hooked on him. My dad always talked highly of him as a ballplayer too so I'm sure that also played a big role in me liking him. There aren't too many of those old time greats left, its sad to see him go and a sad day for baseball.

Amazing how time goes by. When he retired I think he was 5th or 6th on the all time HR list, hes now # 11. They were showing some clips on ESPN where players would think it was a flyball that was it but it actually would be hit deep into the stands

He led the lead in HR 6 times something that doesnt happen anymore and he avg 40 HR from '59-71

[Earlshog]

Amazing how time goes by. When he retired I think he was 5th or 6th on the all time HR list, hes now # 11. They were showing some clips on ESPN where players would think it was a flyball that was it but it actually would be hit deep into the stands

He led the lead in HR 6 times something that doesnt happen anymore and he avg 40 HR from '59-71

If you take out the Juicers, A-Rod, Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa he is 7th.

[cougarjake13]

If you take out the Juicers, A-Rod, Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa he is 7th.

was gonna say raffy palmeiro too but i realized he never passed killebrew

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I know they have been doing this for years, but what does Terry Francona, Ozzie Guillen and some other mgrs have against wearing a full uniform ? I never thought the pullover nylon windbreaker was part of the uniform.


The full length pantleg has been around since the mid 90's. Are players still required to wear white sanitaries with stirrups. I dont think anyone wears them anymore, its either the full pant leg or the knickers look with the high socks

[hanso]

I know they have been doing this for years, but what does Terry Francona, Ozzie Guillen and some other mgrs have against wearing a full uniform ? I never thought the pullover nylon windbreaker was part of the uniform.


The full length pantleg has been around since the mid 90's. Are players still required to wear white sanitaries with stirrups. I dont think anyone wears them anymore, its either the full pant leg or the knickers look with the high socks

Every time I see a skip on tv it's a close up of his face.

[joeyballsack]

Francona wears the windbreaker over the uniform due to some medical condition that thins his blood.

The Yankees even had the umpires check him to make sure he was in compliance with the rule a few seasons back.

[TheGameHHH]

Say what you want about Bonds, but I think this is a very classy move (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6590118)

[cougarjake13]

Say what you want about Bonds, but I think this is a very classy move (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6590118)

indeed and he wasn't even the one who released it to the press

[TheGameHHH]

indeed and he wasn't even the one who released it to the press

yep. i know the guy is a liar and most of the time he seems like a general asshole, but I couldn't be more impressed with what he did there.

[Earlshog]

CSN Bay Area is reporting that Giants C Buster Posey broke his leg and tore ligaments in his ankle in his collision with Florida's Scott Cousins on Wednesday night. He is likely out for the season.

[Jujubees2]

CSN Bay Area is reporting that Giants C Buster Posey broke his leg and tore ligaments in his ankle in his collision with Florida's Scott Cousins on Wednesday night. He is likely out for the season.

OUCH! His agent is asking MLB to change the rules in the future on plays at the plate

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6592212

[Earlshog]

OUCH! His agent is asking MLB to change the rules in the future on plays at the plate

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6592212

I have him on my fantasy team, along with Kendrys Morales, Phil Hughes, Ryan Zimmerman, etc, etc.. not my year lol

[foodcourtdruide]

OUCH! His agent is asking MLB to change the rules in the future on plays at the plate

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6592212

I don't understand why or how the rules can be changed. The only option is for the catcher to take it upon himself not to block the plate. What would the rule be? Impact is not allowed? Then what happens if the catcher is blocking the plate prior to the ball getting there? Would the runner then have to spend extra time running AROUND the catcher?

[hanso]

CSN Bay Area is reporting that Giants C Buster Posey broke his leg and tore ligaments in his ankle in his collision with Florida's Scott Cousins on Wednesday night. He is likely out for the season.

Heard they don't have anyone to step in. And will have to pick up someone.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A minority share was sold to a hedge fund manager by the Mets today. They would be stupid not to trade Reyes as he is a FA at the end of the season. They could get a lot for him.


As a Yankee fan I wouldnt mind picking up Beltran in a trade as he could transition into a DH as he has a few good years left in him

[brettmojo]

OUCH! His agent is asking MLB to change the rules in the future on plays at the plate

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6592212
Eh.

[TheGameHHH]

A minority share was sold to a hedge fund manager by the Mets today. They would be stupid not to trade Reyes as he is a FA at the end of the season. They could get a lot for him.


As a Yankee fan I wouldnt mind picking up Beltran in a trade as he could transition into a DH as he has a few good years left in him

An aging guy, in decline, and a history of injuries? I pray the Yankees wouldn't even look his way. Maybe Santana is available too

[sailor]

An aging guy, in decline, and a history of injuries? I pray the Yankees wouldn't even look his way. Maybe Santana is available too

isn't that the type of player that usually ends up at dh?

[TheGameHHH]

isn't that the type of player that usually ends up at dh?

for the most part, sadly, yes.

[A.J.]

Heard they don't have anyone to step in. And will have to pick up someone.

Rumor was Pudge Rodriguez.

[foodcourtdruide]

A minority share was sold to a hedge fund manager by the Mets today. They would be stupid not to trade Reyes as he is a FA at the end of the season. They could get a lot for him.


As a Yankee fan I wouldnt mind picking up Beltran in a trade as he could transition into a DH as he has a few good years left in him

I don't think they'd be stupid not to trade him, as the two compensation picks they'd receive when he signs else where have value. Unless they can get major league ready talent for Reyes, I wouldn't deal him.

[underdog]

I don't understand why or how the rules can be changed. The only option is for the catcher to take it upon himself not to block the plate. What would the rule be? Impact is not allowed? Then what happens if the catcher is blocking the plate prior to the ball getting there? Would the runner then have to spend extra time running AROUND the catcher?

What happens if a player blocks a base?

[foodcourtdruide]

An aging guy, in decline, and a history of injuries? I pray the Yankees wouldn't even look his way. Maybe Santana is available too

Beltran is having a good season and he's only signed until the end of the year. The Mets will also likely pick up some of his contract. He'd be likely replacing Gardner int he outfield, which is a massive upgrade.

[foodcourtdruide]

isn't that the type of player that usually ends up at dh?

He is still a good outfielder, obviously not what he once was, but still good.

[foodcourtdruide]

What happens if a player blocks a base?

I always wondered that. What would happen if a player just layed flat on a base and prevented the runner from touching it?

[sailor]

He is still a good outfielder, obviously not what he once was, but still good.

I just meant the injury prone and on the decline in his description.

[Jujubees2]

I always wondered that. What would happen if a player just layed flat on a base and prevented the runner from touching it?

I believe it's illegal to block a base without possession of the ball which makes a catcher blocking the plate illegal. They should make that the rule and enforce it on plays at the plate. Unless you want to go to Little League rules and require all runners to slide at the plate.

[foodcourtdruide]

I just meant the injury prone and on the decline in his description.

True, but he'd just be a rental for the rest of this year. I think he can go to another team and not play DH.

[foodcourtdruide]

I believe it's illegal to block a base without possession of the ball which makes a catcher blocking the plate illegal. They should make that the rule and enforce it on plays at the plate. Unless you want to go to Little League rules and require all runners to slide at the plate.

That doesn't sound right. 3rd basemen always stand in front of the bag as well.

[sailor]

Never thought about it before, but I guess the catcher blocking the plate without the ball is a bit silly.

[foodcourtdruide]

Never thought about it before, but I guess the catcher blocking the plate without the ball is a bit silly.

Actually, if you think about it, he's not TOUCHING the plate. Maybe that's what's illegal?

[sailor]

Actually, if you think about it, he's not TOUCHING the plate. Maybe that's what's illegal?

Wouldn't it be interference if the 2nd baseman stood in the runner's path on a possible double?

[Jujubees2]

From MLB.com here is the rule on obstruction:

OBSTRUCTION is the act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner.
Rule 2.00 (Obstruction) Comment: If a fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and if the ball is in flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the ball he may be considered "in the act of fielding a ball." It is entirely up to the judgment of the umpire as to whether a fielder is in the act of fielding a ball. After a fielder has made an attempt to field a ball and missed, he can no longer be in the "act of fielding" the ball. For example: If an infielder dives at a ground ball and the ball passes him and he continues to lie on the ground and delays the progress of the runner, he very likely has obstructed the runner.

So in the case of plays at the plate, as long as the ball is on its way I guess the catcher can block the plate.

[Jujubees2]

Upon further review it says this in the MLB Rule Book:

NOTE: The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The base line belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding a ball or when he already has the ball in his hand.

[Earlshog]

Heard they don't have anyone to step in. And will have to pick up someone.

The guys to fill in, Eli Whiteside and Chris Stewart aren't much to speak of. They are going to bring up Brandon Belt who is a top notch prospect. He broke camp with the team and didn't hit all that well, so they sent him to Fresno (AAA) and he was tearing the cover off the ball. He was also learning to play the OF in the minors (he is a first baseman) as the Giants have Huff at first.

[Earlshog]

Beltran is having a good season and he's only signed until the end of the year. The Mets will also likely pick up some of his contract. He'd be likely replacing Gardner int he outfield, which is a massive upgrade.

I don't know if I would call that a massive upgrade. Garnder has struggled no doubt but this isn't 2003

[hanso]

Upon further review it says this in the MLB Rule Book:

NOTE: The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The base line belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding a ball or when he already has the ball in his hand.

He did not have the ball. But in fielding they could throw it to the left side. Have a catcher lower his shoulder as he fields it. Like to see that.

[cougarjake13]

yep. i know the guy is a liar and most of the time he seems like a general asshole, but I couldn't be more impressed with what he did there.

but see bc he is a dick and a liar and a cheat ... alledgely


were all gonna question if he did this for good pub and not bc he really felt compelled

[cougarjake13]

for the most part, sadly, yes.



which is why the players union would never allow the dh to be removed from al teams


it employs normally over the hill players who would be done for a few more years

[cougarjake13]

you know i was just thinking recently that it seems like every runner is trying to avoid the catcher on plays at the plate lately and then this happens


bc ive seen plays where im like fuck hit the fucking guy and prob knock the ball loose and score but he tries to avoid and go around or just lets himself get tagged

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In a contract year Pujols is not hitting like pujols so far

[cougarjake13]

In a contract year Pujols is not hitting like pujols so far

he'll still get his money

[Jujubees2]

Class move by the Rangers

Rangers draft paralyzed outfielder Johnathan Taylor (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/08/rangers-draft-paralyzed-outfielder-johnathan-taylor/related)

[Snacks]

Class move by the Rangers

Rangers draft paralyzed outfielder Johnathan Taylor (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/08/rangers-draft-paralyzed-outfielder-johnathan-taylor/related)

Very classy thing to do. I always wanted an NBA team to draft Hank Gathers with a late pick as a way to show their support and love to his family. He would have been a lottery pick but he died a few months before the draft.

The problem is, you will always have assholes who call these things publicity stunts!

[cougarjake13]

Very classy thing to do. I always wanted an NBA team to draft Hank Gathers with a late pick as a way to show their support and love to his family. He would have been a lottery pick but he died a few months before the draft.

The problem is, you will always have assholes who call these things publicity stunts!

it is a cold deal


hopefully no one looks at it that way

[TripleSkeet]

Upon further review it says this in the MLB Rule Book:

NOTE: The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The base line belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding a ball or when he already has the ball in his hand.

Heres the deal though, until that runner comes into contact with the catcher its not blocking the plate. So if the catcher is standing there and gets the ball a second before the runner gets to him, its still legal. I used to catch and LOVED blocking the plate. Guys get MAJORLY pissed about it.

[Snacks]

Heres the deal though, until that runner comes into contact with the catcher its not blocking the plate. So if the catcher is standing there and gets the ball a second before the runner gets to him, its still legal. I used to catch and LOVED blocking the plate. Guys get MAJORLY pissed about it.

actually thats not the rule. You cant block the plate or stand in front of it in the base line until the ball is there. So if the ball isnt being thrown home or a play at the plate the catcher can not be standing in the runners path. I hope if you did that they ran into your and knocked you on your ass even when they didnt have to!

[TripleSkeet]

actually thats not the rule. You cant block the plate or stand in front of it in the base line until the ball is there. So if the ball isnt being thrown home or a play at the plate the catcher can not be standing in the runners path. I hope if you did that they ran into your and knocked you on your ass even when they didnt have to!

First of all, thats kind of my point. Im not saying you stand in the baseline if the ball isnt being thrown to you. Thats why I said if they run into you and you dont have the ball youre at fault.

I never just stood there as a guy was running home without a ball coming my way. That would just be silly. Id stand there and if the guy was coming and I see the ball isnt coming my way I move before he gets there. Thats just normal baseball etiquette.

Personally I LOVED a play at the plate where a guy would run me over. It never bothered me or got me pissed. Even now in softball it happens sometimes. Bottom line is Im 6'2 260, so if youre trying to freight train me you better have the size and speed to get it done. Had a guy try it last year but wasnt quick enough. I had time to catch the ball, plant my back foot and lower my shoulder. Not only was he out but he just looked ridiculous because I didnt move and he wound up flat on his back.

[cougarjake13]

pretty soon all major sports leagues will be playing with nerf balls and no touch flags

[JimBeam]

This one jackass announcer doing the Oregon St/Vanderbilt Super Regional was just talking to Morgan Ensberg about the Buster Posey play.

So he's trying to make a point and he says. " Well why can you collide at home plate and nowhere else ? "

Let's see. For one home plate is the end. You touch it safely and you're good. Every other base you have to hold without going over or else you get tagged out.

Also a catcher has as shitload of protective gear on that other players don't have.

I know the topic's probably been addressed numerous times here but I've been out of the loop and this guy just annoyed me.

[TheGameHHH]

This one jackass announcer doing the Oregon St/Vanderbilt Super Regional was just talking to Morgan Ensberg about the Buster Posey play.

So he's trying to make a point and he says. " Well why can you collide at home plate and nowhere else ? "

Let's see. For one home plate is the end. You touch it safely and you're good. Every other base you have to hold without going over or else you get tagged out.

Also a catcher has as shitload of protective gear on that other players don't have.

I know the topic's probably been addressed numerous times here but I've been out of the loop and this guy just annoyed me.

you're 100% correct, but this is also why a catcher shouldnt be babied either. i saw nothing wrong with the play

[TripleSkeet]

This one jackass announcer doing the Oregon St/Vanderbilt Super Regional was just talking to Morgan Ensberg about the Buster Posey play.

So he's trying to make a point and he says. " Well why can you collide at home plate and nowhere else ? "

Let's see. For one home plate is the end. You touch it safely and you're good. Every other base you have to hold without going over or else you get tagged out.

Also a catcher has as shitload of protective gear on that other players don't have.

I know the topic's probably been addressed numerous times here but I've been out of the loop and this guy just annoyed me.

I heard Tim McCarver crying about this too. He sounded like such a fucking pussy. People get hurt, its part of the game. You dont baby it up just to protect a star player. Thats what ruins sports. If it had been a Carlos Ruiz or some other shmoe nobody would even give a fuck.

[Snoogans]

but you CAN run into guys at other places. If you are tryin to go first to 3rd on a single, and the 3rd basemen stands in front of the base where you cant slide into it, you are allowed to run him over. If you are goin to second and a guy tried to tag you as the front part of a DP, you are allowed to run him over. Same as you are allowed to try to flip the guy over on a take out slide. Thats whats hilarious. Everyone is crying about shit they are ALLOWED to do.

[NickyL0885]

How about Dillon Gee? 7-0 to start the year. One of the few bright spots for the Mets year.

[Snoogans]

How about Dillon Gee? 7-0 to start the year. One of the few bright spots for the Mets year.

i foudn it funny that, before last night, he was 6-0 with a 3.33 ERA. Yet wasnt Johan at some point like 4-4 with an ERA under 3? When did the mets decide they were actually gonna score runs for this kid every start?

[A.J.]

but you CAN run into guys at other places. If you are tryin to go first to 3rd on a single, and the 3rd basemen stands in front of the base where you cant slide into it, you are allowed to run him over. If you are goin to second and a guy tried to tag you as the front part of a DP, you are allowed to run him over. Same as you are allowed to try to flip the guy over on a take out slide. Thats whats hilarious. Everyone is crying about shit they are ALLOWED to do.

Exactly. So are you no longer allowed to take out a 2nd baseman on a double play turn? I don't hear Dustin Pedroia crying about that after he got his kneecap bruised on a play like that.

Posey's injury was a fluke -- and partly his own fault because he put himself at greater risk.

[cougarjake13]

How about Dillon Gee? 7-0 to start the year. One of the few bright spots for the Mets year.

i just hope he doesnt turn into jason isringhausen

[NickyL0885]

i just hope he doesnt turn into jason isringhausen

Yea but wasn't Izzy a power pitcher at the time? Gee is a location guy with a very easy effortless delivery. He shouldn't have arm issues. I'm not saying Gee is going to be an ace but he seems he could be a nice #3 guy.

[cougarjake13]

Yea but wasn't Izzy a power pitcher at the time? Gee is a location guy with a very easy effortless delivery. He shouldn't have arm issues. I'm not saying Gee is going to be an ace but he seems he could be a nice #3 guy.



i was refering more to izzy starting off 9-2 then never regaining that form after that season and ultimately resurtected his career as a closer for oakland and stl louis

[sailor]

possible realignment? (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6651634)

[hanso]

possible realignment? (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6651634)

10 team play off. Is that the same ammout w/o grouping?

[Snoogans]

10 team play off. Is that the same ammout w/o grouping?

the only thing ive been able to think of for how it works is

Each league gets 5 teams in. The division winners get a triple bye and the 2 WC teams play for what is now essentially the WC spot. then everything goes like it does now

[sailor]

10 team play off. Is that the same ammout w/o grouping?

I believe it's (3+2)*2, so yes.

[A.J.]

Bring the Brewers back to the AL!

[sailor]

Bring the Brewers back to the AL!

Seemed most logical to me, but they might not want to jerk them around a second time.

[TheGameHHH]

Bring the Brewers back to the AL!

Astros seem to be the leading candidate, creating an Astros/Rangers rivalry.

I am all for this by the way.

[hanso]

Astros seem to be the leading candidate, creating an Astros/Rangers rivalry.

I am all for this by the way.

Marlins could be the same with Rays.

[Snacks]

Marlins could be the same with Rays.

The Rays would be interesting. Is there any exact line up of teams and groups out there or projected set up or is this all speculation?

[sailor]

The Rays would be interesting. Is there any exact line up of teams and groups out there or projected set up or is this all speculation?

As of now there's just the espn article I linked to. I think it mentioned the Astros and marlins as possible teams to move.

[TripleSkeet]

I believe it's (3+2)*2, so yes.

I could be wrong, but I thought 8 team make the playoffs now. Each division winner and 1 wildcard team from each Conference. Am I wrong?

[TripleSkeet]

Also, this guy should be shot....

http://espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post/_/id/363/mlb-needs-geographic-realignment

[Earlshog]

Also, this guy should be shot....

http://espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post/_/id/363/mlb-needs-geographic-realignment

When baseball realigned in 1994 I remember reading rumors of the Phillies moving to the AL. I wrote a letter ( a real mailed letter as this was pre intra web days) to Bill Giles and explained to him, in a more articulate manner, how I stuck with the team even though they sucked for many years but a move to the NL would end my allegiance with the Phils. He actually wrote me back and was adamant the Phillies would never move to the American League.

[Snacks]

When baseball realigned in 1994 I remember reading rumors of the Phillies moving to the AL. I wrote a letter ( a real mailed letter as this was pre intra web days) to Bill Giles and explained to him, in a more articulate manner, how I stuck with the team even though they sucked for many years but a move to the NL would end my allegiance with the Phils. He actually wrote me back and was adamant the Phillies would never move to the American League.

In all honesty, how will this have any affect on your life?

[Earlshog]

In all honesty, how will this have any affect on your life?

I was in Highschool....

[Snacks]

I was in Highschool....

Oh got it. And now you wouldnt care or just wouldnt write a letter?

The only thing I didnt like about the new alignment that triple skeet posted was how the east gets even tougher. Bos, NYY, Philly and the NYM would be a hell of a division to win but would be great for rivalries!

[Earlshog]

Oh got it. And now you wouldnt care or just wouldnt write a letter?

The only thing I didnt like about the new alignment that triple skeet posted was how the east gets even tougher. Bos, NYY, Philly and the NYM would be a hell of a division to win but would be great for rivalries!

No now I wouldn't care... Just not a fan of the American League game... I know Skeet is a Phillies fan so figured he would appreciate the Bill Giles reference...

I think it would be a mistake to mix up the AL and the NL like that.... Plus the players union would never allow the elimination of the DH.

[TripleSkeet]

I think I hate EVERY part of it.

1. I dont want to be in the same division as the Yankees, Mets and Red Sox. It would suck having to fight through that division every year while other teams get to coast to the playoffs.

2. I like the fact there is an NL and AL with different rules (DH) so that good hitters dont have to retire once their defensive skills erode.

3. The thing that makes baseball regular season better then most other sports is half the league doesnt make the playoffs. Im not even happy about MLBs plan to increase it from 8 to 10, let alone 12.

4. No west coast trips??? Fuck that. Nothing better then a 10pm starting time for a Phillies game.

[cougarjake13]

Astros seem to be the leading candidate, creating an Astros/Rangers rivalry.

I am all for this by the way.



that would be great

[cougarjake13]

I believe it's (3+2)*2, so yes.

3 division leaders and 1 wild card in each league is 4 teams


al has 4

nl has 4


total is 8

[cougarjake13]

Also, this guy should be shot....

http://espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post/_/id/363/mlb-needs-geographic-realignment

yeh he pretty much just NFL'd the division realignment and playoff format



although id feel bad if it does happen for spoons blue jays ... no way theyd be able to compete

and the braves would pretty much run that division depending on how well rays and marlins keep up their good farm system

[Snoogans]

3 division leaders and 1 wild card in each league is 4 teams


al has 4

nl has 4


total is 8

did you even read anything about the proposals? They are gonna move a team from NL to AL to make it 15 and 15 and go to 3 divisions and 2 WCs in each league.

[cougarjake13]

did you even read anything about the proposals? They are gonna move a team from NL to AL to make it 15 and 15 and go to 3 divisions and 2 WCs in each league.

yes i did


i was responding to the post asking what the current number of teams were

didnt realized i quoted the post with the new format

[sailor]

yes i did


i was responding to the post asking what the current number of teams were

didnt realized i quoted the post with the new format

nah, i fucked up and mixed up mlb and nfl number of wild card teams.

[Snoogans]

deadspin has an awesome proposal for Geographic realignment

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/06/mlbrealignment_01.jpg

[A.J.]

deadspin has an awesome proposal for Geographic realignment

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/06/mlbrealignment_01.jpg

OKC stealing the M's too??????? Noooooooooo!

I can see that AL East: all ESPN, all the time!

[Snoogans]

OKC stealing the M's too??????? Noooooooooo!

I can see that AL East: all ESPN, all the time!

Sox, Yanks, Phillies Orioles and Mets. The mets would win what, 45 games?

[Snoogans]

Dodgers might not be able to meet June 30th payroll because Manny Ramirez is now owed 8.3 million this, and the next 2 years, because he retired

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dodgers might not be able to meet June 30th payroll because Manny Ramirez is now owed 8.3 million this, and the next 2 years, because he retired

Saw on ESPN that McCourt is trying to get some corporate endorsements advances also he wants to lock in a multibillion deal with fox sports to carry their games. Selig has blocked that but McCourt is going to petition a judge for that.

[Snoogans]

Saw on ESPN that McCourt is trying to get some corporate endorsements advances also he wants to lock in a multibillion deal with fox sports to carry their games. Selig has blocked that but McCourt is going to petition a judge for that.

Its blocked because Jamie McCourt wont sign the deal and as of right now, she mightown half the team. so they cant approve it

[Earlshog]

did you even read anything about the proposals? They are gonna move a team from NL to AL to make it 15 and 15 and go to 3 divisions and 2 WCs in each league.

From what I read there would not be three divisons in each leauge. It was two 15 team leauges and the top 5 make it in each....

[Earlshog]

Dodgers might not be able to meet June 30th payroll because Manny Ramirez is now owed 8.3 million this, and the next 2 years, because he retired

Maybe they can put him on the Bobby Binlla Payment plan... :lol: Oh how Bernie fucked the Mets!

[underdog]

deadspin has an awesome proposal for Geographic realignment

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/06/mlbrealignment_01.jpg

Seattle going to Oklahoma City is just a hilarious throw in.

[Earlshog]

Seattle going to Oklahoma City is just a hilarious throw in.

The Oklahoma City Seahawks...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oklahoma Laters

[Earlshog]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/joe_lemire/06/14/realignment.divisions/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_wr_a4

Good article by Joe Lemire with regards to potential realignment.

[cougarjake13]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/joe_lemire/06/14/realignment.divisions/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_wr_a4

Good article by Joe Lemire with regards to potential realignment.



i like his point on the loss of divisions but even if the did remove them you could still have the current rivalries and create some new ones

plus small market teams may have a better shot at making playoffs although the mid country teams would def have a slight advantage on travel like he mentioned

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If Houston goes into the AL. Rename them back to the Colt .45's

[cougarjake13]

If Houston goes into the AL. Rename them back to the Colt .45's

would be awesome but in this culture we live in now where we are afraid of everything

no way a team gets a name after alcohol

[A.J.]

If Houston goes into the AL. Rename them back to the Colt .45's

would be awesome but in this culture we live in now where we are afraid of everything

no way a team gets a name after alcohol

Or ammunition.

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/images/bullets74-87.gif

[Earlshog]

Or ammunition.

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/images/bullets74-87.gif

Yeah I am pretty sure they were named after the gun...

But if they we named after the booze it would be my new favortie team... They could have Billy Dee as the teams spokesman

[cougarjake13]

Or ammunition.

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/images/bullets74-87.gif

ive heard rumors that bc of all the natural disasters lastely all weather themed names are gonna have to be changed


so say good bye to the hurricanes, lightning, avalanche in nhl

okc thunder in nba

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Looks like Purdue might have to change its name soon if people get overly sensitive

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ive heard rumors that bc of all the natural disasters lastely all weather themed names are gonna have to be changed


so say good bye to the hurricanes, lightning, avalanche in nhl

okc thunder in nba

I think St Johns had to rename their team the Red Storm because Redmen was insensitive to Indians.

If so when do the Braves, Blackhawks, Seminoles and Indians get renamed?

[cougarjake13]

I think St Johns had to rename their team the Red Storm because Redmen was insensitive to Indians.

If so when do the Braves, Blackhawks, Seminoles and Indians get renamed?

thats bc st johns caved into the pressure like the bullets



they tried the same with the fsu seminoles but they fought it and actually had the seminole tribe on their side


to me as long as its done properly and not offensive like the teams above have done for 50-75 years it should be seen as a tribute not a slight

[Jujubees2]

I think St Johns had to rename their team the Red Storm because Redmen was insensitive to Indians.

If so when do the Braves, Blackhawks, Seminoles and Indians get renamed?

How about the Redskins?

North Dakota had to get rid of the Fighting Sioux

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/04/08/university-of-north-dakotas-fighting-sioux-nickname-logo-ret/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No chance of renaming the Devils the NJ Wiseguys ?

[Earlshog]

The Phillies had a pork chop as a mascot for a minor league team and had to boot it cause it was offensive to hispanics.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Phillies had a pork chop as a mascot for a minor league team and had to boot it cause it was offensive to hispanics.

How is that insensitive to them? If anything the Muslims would be offended


People really need to lighten up. It wasnt like the mascot was a day laborer

[sailor]

The funny part is redmen, even though they later used an Indian symbol, had nothing to do with Indians.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Minnesota Spammers

[TheGameHHH]

Fuck team names....here's an interesting blog post on Johnny Damon and the HOF (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/06/johnny_damon_ha.html)

[Jujubees2]

Fuck team names....here's an interesting blog post on Johnny Damon and the HOF (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/06/johnny_damon_ha.html)

I think he's a Hall of Famer.

[Earlshog]

I think he's a Hall of Famer.

I think he needs the 3,000 hits to get in....

[TheGameHHH]

I think he's a Hall of Famer.

I honestly didn't think so until I read the blog, now I think he is.

[sailor]

Not at all.

[Snacks]

I think he needs the 3,000 hits to get in....

thats the only way he gets in. which means he will need a min of 2 more years.

[cougarjake13]

3000 would make him a def lock

but if he gets close enough all the accolades and stats may be enough

[TheGameHHH]

thats the only way he gets in. which means he will need a min of 2 more years.

I see what you guys are saying, 3,000 makes you certain. But is he really a worse player if he ends up with 2,800 as opposed to 3,000? Do 200 hits disqualify you from the Hall?

[NickyL0885]

I see what you guys are saying, 3,000 makes you certain. But is he really a worse player if he ends up with 2,800 as opposed to 3,000? Do 200 hits disqualify you from the Hall?

I think he'd still get in. He won 2 rings, right? That helps. But what Cap does he get if he goes in? Gotta be Red Sox, right? I mean, I identify him most with Boston.

[cougarjake13]

I see what you guys are saying, 3,000 makes you certain. But is he really a worse player if he ends up with 2,800 as opposed to 3,000? Do 200 hits disqualify you from the Hall?

not at all

somewhere we got caught up in total stats vs how good the player is


i mean whos better a 20 yr compiler or a guy who fucking dominated for 12 years but both had similar stats



its like the fred mcgriff argument
500 hrs hes in

493 ?? ahh we got nothing for ya

[Snacks]

I see what you guys are saying, 3,000 makes you certain. But is he really a worse player if he ends up with 2,800 as opposed to 3,000? Do 200 hits disqualify you from the Hall?

yeah for some reason its important when you dont have other big #s. His career avg is only .287. I personally dont think even with 3000 hits he should get in the hof but 3000 hits is pretty much a lock. If he gets 3000 hits it will have taken him 18 or 19 years. Thats a lot of years to get to that mark. He has less then 250 hrs, thats terrible. He does have decent sbs but still needs to make it to 400 to look better. He has no shot of 500. When I look at Damon I dont think hall of famer. But he will get in with 3000 which is why he will play at least 2 more seasons if he can get a team to sign him!

[Snacks]

not at all

somewhere we got caught up in total stats vs how good the player is


i mean whos better a 20 yr compiler or a guy who fucking dominated for 12 years but both had similar stats



its like the fred mcgriff argument
500 hrs hes in

493 ?? ahh we got nothing for ya

I agree with that and thats why imo if he gets 3000 he still not a hall of famer to me because he was a compiler and it will have taken 19 or 20 years to get there. Its 1 thing if you take that long to get to 3000 hits but already have 500 hrs or 500 sbs but he will be hanging around just to get to 1 huge mark only. While not having the others!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

not at all

somewhere we got caught up in total stats vs how good the player is


i mean whos better a 20 yr compiler or a guy who fucking dominated for 12 years but both had similar stats



its like the fred mcgriff argument
500 hrs hes in

493 ?? ahh we got nothing for ya

Also the 3000k argument. Look how many times it took Blyleven

Don Sutton was a 300 game winner and he was not a 1st ballot

[TheGameHHH]

not at all

somewhere we got caught up in total stats vs how good the player is


i mean whos better a 20 yr compiler or a guy who fucking dominated for 12 years but both had similar stats



its like the fred mcgriff argument
500 hrs hes in

493 ?? ahh we got nothing for ya

exactly, I never thought of Damon as HOF worthy. But after reading that article I find it difficult to argue against him

[cougarjake13]

plus we have to take in consideration how the voters will vote with all these steroid players becoming available and guys who they may or may not think did something


then you have a guy like damon who as far as we know hasnt done them and has been a great media guy




but to me the whole thing is flawed

your either a hall of famer or not if you deserve to be in you should be voted in first time

none of this 4th or 8th year shit .. well the last 7 years he was up against some great guys and didnt make it in but this year not a lot of great players were eligible and now his stats are worthy ??



same with that fucking veterans committee bullshit

[Snoogans]

I see what you guys are saying, 3,000 makes you certain. But is he really a worse player if he ends up with 2,800 as opposed to 3,000? Do 200 hits disqualify you from the Hall?

its not about that. The problem is roids. Not with damon, but im sayin, cause of roids, we cant use numbers anymore. You have to now judge all guys against the guys they played with in the same era. And Damon was never a dominant OF in his era. There are too many guys who are better than he was, so I dont think he gets in

by the numbers alot of guys should go in. Fuck, If ozzie smith is in, andruw jones should be a lock. But against his contemporaries, I dont think AJ makes it. Damon either

[Snoogans]

Johnny Damon has 499 doubles after drilling a Tim Wakefield pitch off the wall in right field last night. He is one shy from becoming only the 11th player in the history of baseball with 500 doubles, 100 triples, 200 home runs and 2,500 hits.
The other 10 players are George Brett, Goose Goslin, Rogers Hornsby, Willie Mays, Paul Molitor, Stan Musial, Babe Ruth, Al Simmons and Robin Yount.

Now here's where it gets funky. Of those 10 players, only Molitor and Mays also have at least 300 stolen bases.

So Damon will be one of three players in history with 500 doubles, 100 triples, 200 homers, 2,500 hits and 300 steals.


Im shocked by this. but at the same time, i hate when they come up with some things where its like he is only the 4th guy to do these 9 things. Its impressive, but it didnt have the impact that other guys in this era had. He is one of those sneaky guys where you almost didnt even notice that he was that good cause he never had that kinda impact consistantly.

[Snoogans]

I see what you guys are saying, 3,000 makes you certain. But is he really a worse player if he ends up with 2,800 as opposed to 3,000? Do 200 hits disqualify you from the Hall?

also, if thats the case, do 8 HRs disqualify you? Fred McGriff has like 492 career HRs. He is most likely not going to get into despite the fact that he should. He was one of the best, most consistant hitters for upwards of a decade and a half. But he didnt get to 500.

[cougarjake13]

also, if thats the case, do 8 HRs disqualify you? Fred McGriff has like 492 career HRs. He is most likely not going to get into despite the fact that he should. He was one of the best, most consistant hitters for upwards of a decade and a half. But he didnt get to 500.



yeh that motherfucker had like what 10 years in a row with 30 hrs plus ... when 30 plus used to be a high number

[Snoogans]

yeh that motherfucker had like what 10 years in a row with 30 hrs plus ... when 30 plus used to be a high number

20 and 100 for like 14 straight, 30 and 100 for like 12 straight. to me, thats HOF. To consistanly put up AS caliber numbers for over 10 straight years you should get in. Esp since i think we can all agree that skinny fuck never took roids

[Earlshog]

To me McGriff and Damon are the same type of player. Excellent ball players, way above average, but a rung below a hall of famer.

With that said if Damon is able to compile 3,000 hits along with the accomplishments mentioned in the blog he will be a HOF. (not that I necessarily agree)

The second half of McGriff's career was in the steroid era and people were putting up inordinate numbers so fair or not it hurts him. Personally I believe even if he would have gotten to 500 he still would not have gotten in.

[foodcourtdruide]

its not about that. The problem is roids. Not with damon, but im sayin, cause of roids, we cant use numbers anymore. You have to now judge all guys against the guys they played with in the same era. And Damon was never a dominant OF in his era. There are too many guys who are better than he was, so I dont think he gets in

by the numbers alot of guys should go in. Fuck, If ozzie smith is in, andruw jones should be a lock. But against his contemporaries, I dont think AJ makes it. Damon either

I agree with this. On the list mentioned in the article, the only person I'd say Damon can really be compared to (seriously, are we mentioning Johnny Damon in the same breath as Babe Ruth and Willie Mays?) is Paul Molitor, and even then Molitor A. Played 3B/2B, B. Played a few years before Damon. Look at is as a percentage of guys that will get in. How many players during Damon's period were better than him? Was there even a season that Damon was the best OF in baseball? Was there ever even a season where he was in the top 3?

[Earlshog]

I agree with this. On the list mentioned in the article, the only person I'd say Damon can really be compared to (seriously, are we mentioning Johnny Damon in the same breath as Babe Ruth and Willie Mays?) is Paul Molitor, and even then Molitor A. Played 3B/2B, B. Played a few years before Damon. Look at is as a percentage of guys that will get in. How many players during Damon's period were better than him? Was there even a season that Damon was the best OF in baseball? Was there ever even a season where he was in the top 3?

Damon was a great player, don't get me wrong, but IMO he wasn't in Paul Molitors league, relative to their generation.

I remember reading Molitor missed something like 450 - 500 games in his career due to injury. Based on his overall stats he would have had close to 4,000 hits if he hadn't missed all those games. Molitor was still decent when he retired so if at the time he had 4,000 he could have realistically broken Roses record.

[foodcourtdruide]

Damon was a great player, don't get me wrong, but IMO he wasn't in Paul Molitors league, relative to their generation.

I remember reading Molitor missed something like 450 - 500 games in his career due to injury. Based on his overall stats he would have had close to 4,000 hits if he hadn't missed all those games. Molitor was still decent when he retired so if at the time he had 4,000 he could have realistically broken Roses record.

I believe injuries are part of how to judge an overall player. Part of the problem I had with Molitor was how many games at DH he had. In my perfect hall of fame, he doesn't make the cut, but barely.

[cougarjake13]

20 and 100 for like 14 straight, 30 and 100 for like 12 straight. to me, thats HOF. To consistanly put up AS caliber numbers for over 10 straight years you should get in. Esp since i think we can all agree that skinny fuck never took roids



agreed

hes done enough to get in and i think now with all the roids shit he'll prob get in but he shoulda got in already

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Update on LA


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110617/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbo_dodgers_mccourts

[Earlshog]

If the Dodger assets are deemed to belong to Frank McCourt, he would give his ex-wife $100 million and she would retain six luxurious homes. He also will continue to pay monthly spousal support up to $650,000, the agreement said.

Poor thing.... How is she supposed to get by on that?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Pujols out 4-6 weeks

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6680924


Welcome back Jack

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6681396

"I look at it this way: Why should experience get penalized? Eighty doesn't mean a thing. I'm not 80. My birth certificate says that, but I'm not 80."

[hanso]

http://i.imgur.com/YZ02p.png
Captain Jack is Back!
Work your magic on these bottom dwelling rats.

[epo]

I believe injuries are part of how to judge an overall player. Part of the problem I had with Molitor was how many games at DH he had. In my perfect hall of fame, he doesn't make the cut, but barely.

I'm not gonna sit here and tolerate you running down Paul Molitor.

[disneyspy]

Johnny Damon has 499 doubles after drilling a Tim Wakefield pitch off the wall in right field last night. He is one shy from becoming only the 11th player in the history of baseball with 500 doubles, 100 triples, 200 home runs and 2,500 hits.
The other 10 players are George Brett, Goose Goslin, Rogers Hornsby, Willie Mays, Paul Molitor, Stan Musial, Babe Ruth, Al Simmons and Robin Yount.

Now here's where it gets funky. Of those 10 players, only Molitor and Mays also have at least 300 stolen bases.

So Damon will be one of three players in history with 500 doubles, 100 triples, 200 homers, 2,500 hits and 300 steals.


Im shocked by this. but at the same time, i hate when they come up with some things where its like he is only the 4th guy to do these 9 things. Its impressive, but it didnt have the impact that other guys in this era had. He is one of those sneaky guys where you almost didnt even notice that he was that good cause he never had that kinda impact consistantly.

i worked with damon's brother at disney so i kept up on him throughout his career,in KC he carried that team that was low on talent,if he had been on a better team in a bigger market early in his career i think people would think of him as being a great player instead of good

[TheGameHHH]

i worked with damon's brother at disney so i kept up on him throughout his career,in KC he carried that team that was low on talent,if he had been on a better team in a bigger market early in his career i think people would think of him as being a great player instead of good

I do think playing in KC, and even in Oakland to some extent even though they were good when he was there, did hurt him in terms of exposure but numbers are numbers. Even though he played there he still put up some very respectable career numbers. And when he get on the big stages in Boston and New York, he certainly proved himself. For as long as I live I will never forget him taking 3rd base in that World Series game against the Phils, it was so heads up.

[disneyspy]

I do think playing in KC, and even in Oakland to some extent even though they were good when he was there, did hurt him in terms of exposure but numbers are numbers. Even though he played there he still put up some very respectable career numbers. And when he get on the big stages in Boston and New York, he certainly proved himself. For as long as I live I will never forget him taking 3rd base in that World Series game against the Phils, it was so heads up.

i was never so happy for him as those 2 HRs he hit against the yanks in the sox comeback series,that was so huge its still mind boggling

[TheGameHHH]

i was never so happy for him as those 2 HRs he hit against the yanks in the sox comeback series,that was so huge its still mind boggling

his grand slam in game 7 remains one of my most painful memories of yankess postseason baseball. along with Mo throwing a routine double play ball into center field in 2001 and luis gonzalez with his shitty weak ass single to win the game.

[Snacks]

i worked with damon's brother at disney so i kept up on him throughout his career,in KC he carried that team that was low on talent,if he had been on a better team in a bigger market early in his career i think people would think of him as being a great player instead of good

He played with Beltran and Dye, he didint carry shit. He was always an avg player with great speed. He never really hit for avg or power or rbis. He had 2 of 6 seasons with a .300 avg or better in KC. The other 4 seasons he was a .275 hitter! He isnt a hall of famer. Getting 3000 hits will probably put him in but only because that is a category that gets anyone in.

I do think he was a huge reason Bos win that series against the yanks but hes a compiler not a HOF!

[underdog]

his grand slam in game 7 remains one of my most painful memories of yankess postseason baseball. along with Mo throwing a routine double play ball into center field in 2001 and luis gonzalez with his shitty weak ass single to win the game.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2138/2125727491_603ca72540_o.jpg

[disneyspy]

He played with Beltran and Dye, he didint carry shit. He was always an avg player with great speed. He never really hit for avg or power or rbis. He had 2 of 6 seasons with a .300 avg or better in KC. The other 4 seasons he was a .275 hitter! He isnt a hall of famer. Getting 3000 hits will probably put him in but only because that is a category that gets anyone in.

I do think he was a huge reason Bos win that series against the yanks but hes a compiler not a HOF!

only KC player to be at or near the top in runs scored and whats wrong with being consistant for as long as he has? he also has had a ton of game winning hits his whole career and been in the top of each team he's been on AS a lead off hitter,hell he went on a streak this year where he had 5 GWHs in a row with tampa,money

[Snoogans]

only KC player to be at or near the top in runs scored and whats wrong with being consistant for as long as he has? he also has had a ton of game winning hits his whole career and been in the top of each team he's been on AS a lead off hitter,hell he went on a streak this year where he had 5 GWHs in a row with tampa,money

runs scored? thats not even him most of the time. thats like giving a pitcher the cy young solely because he won a bunch of games when all his other stats are worse than the next best candidate

[disneyspy]

it counts alot when he's hitting a double,steals 3rd and the batter flys out and he scores after tagging up

[Snoogans]

it counts alot when he's hitting a double,steals 3rd and the batter flys out and he scores after tagging up

yea and im gonna go ahead and assume that senario led to about 5% of his runs. More likely, he singled or double, or even walked. Moved over on a hit or walk and then beltran or dye got a hit to drive him in.

Just like wins. Obviously the player has to have something to do with it. But, at the same time, its a greatly overvalued stat that shows half truths.

Thats why it makes me laugh when people try to talk up derek jeter and one of their arguments is how much he scores runs. YOU PLAY FOR THE FUCKIN YANKEES. If you hit 245 you will score 100 runs. Alot of times its nonsense

[Snacks]

yea and im gonna go ahead and assume that senario led to about 5% of his runs. More likely, he singled or double, or even walked. Moved over on a hit or walk and then beltran or dye got a hit to drive him in.

Just like wins. Obviously the player has to have something to do with it. But, at the same time, its a greatly overvalued stat that shows half truths.

Thats why it makes me laugh when people try to talk up derek jeter and one of their arguments is how much he scores runs. YOU PLAY FOR THE FUCKIN YANKEES. If you hit 245 you will score 100 runs. Alot of times its nonsense

Been saying this for years. Playing for the yankees has even helped Jeter in the avg/hit category. Who you going to pitch to jeter or arod, tino, text, sheffiled, giambi and on and on...

[Snacks]

Has anyone been keeping up with the LAD situation and what a piece of shit Bud Selig is? He isnt approving that tv deal purely so he can get the team from McCourt. Finally they have a divorce settlement he will keep the team all he needs is approval for the $3 billion tv deal and Selig wont do it. Its not that the deal isnt good or will hurt the LAD or MLB its Selig using this as an excuse to take the team and sell it. I hope Selig and MLB get sued for all its worth and McCourt gets to keep his team and gets his deal done! This is so fucking shady by Selig it just shows how power is abused!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Has anyone been keeping up with the LAD situation and what a piece of shit Bud Selig is? He isnt approving that tv deal purely so he can get the team from McCourt. Finally they have a divorce settlement he will keep the team all he needs is approval for the $3 billion tv deal and Selig wont do it. Its not that the deal isnt good or will hurt the LAD or MLB its Selig using this as an excuse to take the team and sell it. I hope Selig and MLB get sued for all its worth and McCourt gets to keep his team and gets his deal done! This is so fucking shady by Selig it just shows how power is abused!

While I am no fan of McCourt and how he ran the Dodgers, Selig is a scumbag for interfering in his business matters. McCourt could have some serious cash rolling in to keep the team afloat and not worry about missing payroll. I think Selig wants Steve Garvey and other investors to force McCourt to sell the team to them

[brettmojo]

Has anyone been keeping up with the LAD situation and what a piece of shit Bud Selig is? He isnt approving that tv deal purely so he can get the team from McCourt. Finally they have a divorce settlement he will keep the team all he needs is approval for the $3 billion tv deal and Selig wont do it. Its not that the deal isnt good or will hurt the LAD or MLB its Selig using this as an excuse to take the team and sell it. I hope Selig and MLB get sued for all its worth and McCourt gets to keep his team and gets his deal done! This is so fucking shady by Selig it just shows how power is abused!

No fan of Selig... But he's right about this. McCourt made the deal with Fox to settle his divorce. He was gonna' get almost $400 million upfront and half of that money was going straight to him and his ex-wife. They already funneled about $100 million away from the team for personal use. How could Selig trust McCourt to handle the Fox money? The guy is a piece of shit that and ran the Dodgers into the ground... Him and his wife. To be a bigger piece of shit than Selig is really some accomplishment.

[Earlshog]

No fan of Selig... But he's right about this. McCourt made the deal with Fox to settle his divorce. He was gonna' get almost $400 million upfront and half of that money was going straight to him and his ex-wife. They already funneled about $100 million away from the team for personal use. How could Selig trust McCourt to handle the Fox money? The guy is a piece of shit that and ran the Dodgers into the ground... Him and his wife. To be a bigger piece of shit than Selig is really some accomplishment.

I agree... The biggest mistake MLB made letting this shit for brain buy the team in the first place when he obviously didn't have the $$$ necessary.... They need to cut their losses and find a competent owner.

[Snacks]

No fan of Selig... But he's right about this. McCourt made the deal with Fox to settle his divorce. He was gonna' get almost $400 million upfront and half of that money was going straight to him and his ex-wife. They already funneled about $100 million away from the team for personal use. How could Selig trust McCourt to handle the Fox money? The guy is a piece of shit that and ran the Dodgers into the ground... Him and his wife. To be a bigger piece of shit than Selig is really some accomplishment.

I agree... The biggest mistake MLB made letting this shit for brain buy the team in the first place when he obviously didn't have the $$$ necessary.... They need to cut their losses and find a competent owner.

Because its a 1 time thing to pay off debt. He just let the mets do the same fucking thing. The difference is they sold a small stake in the team for $200 million. This is $3 billion and only $400 million comes up front out of that $400 million $100 million goes to his wife for their divorce settlement. Which either way she would get because she owned part of the team. All he is doing is taking $100 million to buy her out. Even if they werent getting divorced he might have done this with money from the tv deal. The rest of the money is going to pay salaries for the players. By not approving it he is only doing it so he can take the team over. This is no different then any other business when someone has multiple businesses. They sometimes leverage another business to supply another business with needed capital. The only difference is the team was already doing the tv deal because finally their shitty tv deal expired. Its not like he did a shitty deal to hurt the team just to get money. This is actually a great deal for the team.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

CNN is reporting the Dodgers are filing for bankruptcy protection due to MLB rejecting the FOX Sports deal

[Earlshog]

CNN is reporting the Dodgers are filing for bankruptcy protection due to MLB rejecting the FOX Sports deal

Yup, this is going to get ugly. Selig and the other owners have no one to blame but themselves for letting this incompetent acquire the one of the leagues marquee franchises to use as his piggy bank.

[Earlshog]

No fan of Selig... But he's right about this. McCourt made the deal with Fox to settle his divorce. He was gonna' get almost $400 million upfront and half of that money was going straight to him and his ex-wife. They already funneled about $100 million away from the team for personal use. How could Selig trust McCourt to handle the Fox money? The guy is a piece of shit that and ran the Dodgers into the ground... Him and his wife. To be a bigger piece of shit than Selig is really some accomplishment.

Dan Shaughnessy wrote an excellent article about this situation.



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/dan_shaughnessy/06/27/dodgers/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t12_a2

[sailor]

WTF, carol Burnett comes up on both shows today?

[brettmojo]

If anything Selig could shoulder the blame for this for letting this piece of trash become an owner in the first place.

[Jujubees2]

Doesn't a new owner have to be approved by like 75% of the existing owners to take over a team? Some blame should be placed on them.

[underdog]

Yup, this is going to get ugly. Selig and the other owners have no one to blame but themselves for letting this incompetent acquire the one of the leagues marquee franchises to use as his piggy bank.

He almost bought the Red Sox.

Dan Shaughnessy wrote an excellent article about this situation.



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/dan_shaughnessy/06/27/dodgers/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t12_a2

Dan Shaughnessy and excellent should never be in the same sentence.

[Snoogans]

He almost bought the Red Sox.



Dan Shaughnessy and excellent should never be in the same sentence.

when? I didnt hear anything about John Henry ever tryin to sell them

[Snacks]

when? I didnt hear anything about John Henry ever tryin to sell them

2001 or right around that time.

Shaugnessy is a douche, I cant stand him or Bob Ryan!

[underdog]

when? I didnt hear anything about John Henry ever tryin to sell them

Prior to the current ownership (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_McCourt_(executive)#Failed_Red_Sox_bid). His plan was to move the Sox to the Seaport in Boston. He wanted to put an amazing park on the water. The seaport sucked then, so everyone was against it. Of course, now it would be the perfect place for a park.

[spoon]

also, if thats the case, do 8 HRs disqualify you? Fred McGriff has like 492 career HRs. He is most likely not going to get into despite the fact that he should. He was one of the best, most consistant hitters for upwards of a decade and a half. But he didnt get to 500.

I hate the compiler tag on him as you nailed his the true label, CONSISTENT!

Not to mention his hall of fame commercial/hat.

I'm not gonna sit here and tolerate you running down Paul Molitor.

I'm with you on this one full force. He hit .418 in two different world series and had around 11 rbis and 15 runs in 13 f'n games. The man was a machine!

[Earlshog]

There's a bankruptcy court hearing Tuesday with the Dodgers, Major League Baseball, Frank McCourt and Jamie McCourt. It's very complicated with lots of moving parts, but let's try to summarize what's on the line (via Bill Shaikin of the LA Times).

- Major League Baseball is set to offer alternative financing to the Dodgers, as it would be a better deal and put MLB in better position to take over the franchise. McCourt's proposed financing is a $150 million loan, but there's a $4.5 million fee and 10 percent interest attached to said loan. There's no word just yet on MLB's counter-proposal, but the interesting twist is that MLB had previously said it would not provide financing to the Dodgers unless McCourt sold the team. So MLB's financing plan probably involves McCourt being forced to sell the Dodgers.

- If the bankruptcy judge finds McCourt's plan acceptable, the next step is the Dodgers trying to secure a massive TV deal. They'd have to persuade the court to override the MLB rule that gives the league rights to approve all TV deals.

- Basically, McCourt and his lawyers are challenging that Bud Selig has the authority to nix TV deals or loans in what Selig perceives as in the best interests of Major League Baseball. Selig has turned down a deal McCourt worked up with Fox to extend the Dodgers' TV contract at a significant fee. McCourt wanted to sell the TV rights immediately so he could get his hands on the money, but the current deal in place runs through 2013. MLB opposes that, in part, because McCourt would be taking money from the Dodgers' future to pay his 2011 bills and settle his divorce.

- Speaking of which, Jamie McCourt's attorneys are there to argue that the bankruptcy filing devaules the Dodgers, which is easily the biggest asset in the divorce that still needs to be settled.

[foodcourtdruide]

There's a bankruptcy court hearing Tuesday with the Dodgers, Major League Baseball, Frank McCourt and Jamie McCourt. It's very complicated with lots of moving parts, but let's try to summarize what's on the line (via Bill Shaikin of the LA Times).

- Major League Baseball is set to offer alternative financing to the Dodgers, as it would be a better deal and put MLB in better position to take over the franchise. McCourt's proposed financing is a $150 million loan, but there's a $4.5 million fee and 10 percent interest attached to said loan. There's no word just yet on MLB's counter-proposal, but the interesting twist is that MLB had previously said it would not provide financing to the Dodgers unless McCourt sold the team. So MLB's financing plan probably involves McCourt being forced to sell the Dodgers.

- If the bankruptcy judge finds McCourt's plan acceptable, the next step is the Dodgers trying to secure a massive TV deal. They'd have to persuade the court to override the MLB rule that gives the league rights to approve all TV deals.

- Basically, McCourt and his lawyers are challenging that Bud Selig has the authority to nix TV deals or loans in what Selig perceives as in the best interests of Major League Baseball. Selig has turned down a deal McCourt worked up with Fox to extend the Dodgers' TV contract at a significant fee. McCourt wanted to sell the TV rights immediately so he could get his hands on the money, but the current deal in place runs through 2013. MLB opposes that, in part, because McCourt would be taking money from the Dodgers' future to pay his 2011 bills and settle his divorce.

- Speaking of which, Jamie McCourt's attorneys are there to argue that the bankruptcy filing devaules the Dodgers, which is easily the biggest asset in the divorce that still needs to be settled.

Wow, this makes the Mets ownership issues look miniscule.

[Earlshog]

Wow, this makes the Mets ownership issues look miniscule.

Yeah at least the Mets have a valid defense.

[spoon]

by defense do you mean David Wright and Reyes throwing balls all over the field?

well right now wright is only throwing balls around in Chelsea.

[cougarjake13]

by defense do you mean David Wright and Reyes throwing balls all over the field?

well right now wright is only throwing balls around in Chelsea.

i will not let you chastise the great josh thole

[spoon]

i will not let you chastise the great josh thole

Thole has nothing on new yankee catcher and all-star vote leader at the position Russell Martin. Hitting .228 is amazing and even a healthy Mauer has nothing on him.

The good news is Jay's catcher Arencibia has better stats almost across the board so we must have an amazing catcher!

Jeter too setting that high standard once more as well.

So in conclusion, fuck Thole!


:wallbash:

[cougarjake13]

Thole has nothing on new yankee catcher and all-star vote leader at the position Russell Martin. Hitting .228 is amazing and even a healthy Mauer has nothing on him.

The good news is Jay's catcher Arencibia has better stats almost across the board so we must have an amazing catcher!

Jeter too setting that high standard once more as well.

So in conclusion, fuck Thole!


:wallbash:




martins no mike piazza and i know mike piazza

[Snacks]

Thole has nothing on new yankee catcher and all-star vote leader at the position Russell Martin. Hitting .228 is amazing and even a healthy Mauer has nothing on him.

The good news is Jay's catcher Arencibia has better stats almost across the board so we must have an amazing catcher!

Jeter too setting that high standard once more as well.

So in conclusion, fuck Thole!


:wallbash:

That kid Arencibia has great power. Hes looking like the real deal.

Is Jeter really leading the voting at ss? Not only is he having as terrible year hes now hurt and not even playing. They need to fix the voting system, every dumb girl who doesnt like baseball but thinks Jeter is cute and all the fake/ bandwagon yankee fans only vote for yankees not knowing anything about the sport or the other players!

[spoon]

2011 AMERICAN LEAGUE ALL-STAR BALLOTING (as of June 28)

CATCHER
Russell Martin, Yankees: 2,779,592
Alex Avila, Tigers: 2,345,065
Joe Mauer, Twins: 1,699,604
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Red Sox: 1,505,143
Yorvit Torrealba, Rangers: 1,309,802

FIRST BASE
Adrian Gonzalez, Red Sox: 4,014,722
Mark Teixeira, Yankees: 3,077,242
Miguel Cabrera, Tigers: 2,184,480
Mitch Moreland, Rangers: 1,209,258
Paul Konerko, White Sox: 932,422

SECOND BASE
Robinson Cano, Yankees: 4,724,816
Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox: 2,979,181
Ian Kinsler, Rangers: 1,896,259
Orlando Cabrera, Indians: 1,127,840
Ben Zobrist, Rays: 963,481

THIRD BASE
Alex Rodriguez, Yankees: 3,735,406
Adrian Beltre, Rangers: 2,935,373
Kevin Youkilis, Red Sox: 2,724,286
Evan Longoria, Rays: 2,000,379
Brandon Inge, Tigers: 633,519

SHORTSTOP
Derek Jeter, Yankees: 3,392,128
Asdrubal Cabrera, Indians: 2,885,778
Elvis Andrus, Rangers: 1,971,514
Jhonny Peralta, Tigers: 1,178,114
Marco Scutaro, Red Sox: 1,099,744

DESIGNATED HITTER
David Ortiz, Red Sox: 4,237,014
Michael Young, Rangers: 2,235,504
Jorge Posada, Yankees: 1,453,385
Victor Martinez, Tigers: 1,234,879
Johnny Damon, Rays: 1,028,366

OUTFIELD
Jose Bautista, Blue Jays: 5,263,840
Curtis Granderson, Yankees: 4,582,419
Josh Hamilton, Rangers: 3,173,000
Jacoby Ellsbury, Red Sox: 3,051,675
Carl Crawford, Red Sox: 2,294,337
Nelson Cruz, Rangers: 1,912,783
Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners: 1,912,062
Nick Swisher, Yankees: 1,648,599
Brett Gardner, Yankees: 1,499,367
J.D. Drew, Red Sox: 1,428,367
Matt Joyce, Rays: 1,226,439
Jeff Francoeur, Royals: 1,061,445
David Murphy, Rangers: 1,057,887
Grady Sizemore, Indians: 1,033,014
Shin-Soo Choo, Indians: 924,326

[spoon]

2011 AMERICAN LEAGUE Spoon Vote (as of June 28)

CATCHER
Alex Avila, Tigers: 1

FIRST BASE
Adrian Gonzalez, Red Sox: 1

SECOND BASE
Robinson Cano, Yankees: 1

THIRD BASE
Alex Rodriguez, Yankees: 1

SHORTSTOP
Asdrubal Cabrera, Indians: 1

DESIGNATED HITTER
David Ortiz, Red Sox: 1

OUTFIELD
Jose Bautista, Blue Jays: 1
Curtis Granderson, Yankees: 1
Jacoby Ellsbury, Red Sox: 1

[spoon]

National League:
1B - Fielder, Prince (Mil)
2B - Weeks, Rickie (Mil)
SS - Reyes, Jose (NYM)
3B - Polanco, Placido (Phil)
C - McCann, Brian (Atl)
OF - Braun, Ryan (Mil)
OF - Kemp, Matt (LA)
OF - Victorino, Shane (Phil)

[A.J.]

2011 AMERICAN LEAGUE ALL-STAR BALLOTING (as of June 28)

CATCHER
Russell Martin, Yankees: 2,779,592
Alex Avila, Tigers: 2,345,065
Joe Mauer, Twins: 1,699,604
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Red Sox: 1,505,143
Yorvit Torrealba, Rangers: 1,309,802

Matt Wieters should be on this list -- more than Mauer and Salty.

[Fallon]

Matt Wieters should be on this list -- more than Mauer and Salty.

The Sox and Giants have a joint promotional campaign going on. We vote for San Fran, they vote for Boston. So a lot of Sox have been getting votes including Scutaro.

[Snoogans]

2011 AMERICAN LEAGUE ALL-STAR BALLOTING (as of June 28)

CATCHER
Russell Martin, Yankees: 2,779,592
Alex Avila, Tigers: 2,345,065
Joe Mauer, Twins: 1,699,604
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Red Sox: 1,505,143
Yorvit Torrealba, Rangers: 1,309,802

FIRST BASE
Adrian Gonzalez, Red Sox: 4,014,722
Mark Teixeira, Yankees: 3,077,242
Miguel Cabrera, Tigers: 2,184,480
Mitch Moreland, Rangers: 1,209,258
Paul Konerko, White Sox: 932,422

SECOND BASE
Robinson Cano, Yankees: 4,724,816
Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox: 2,979,181
Ian Kinsler, Rangers: 1,896,259
Orlando Cabrera, Indians: 1,127,840
Ben Zobrist, Rays: 963,481

THIRD BASE
Alex Rodriguez, Yankees: 3,735,406
Adrian Beltre, Rangers: 2,935,373
Kevin Youkilis, Red Sox: 2,724,286
Evan Longoria, Rays: 2,000,379
Brandon Inge, Tigers: 633,519

SHORTSTOP
Derek Jeter, Yankees: 3,392,128
Asdrubal Cabrera, Indians: 2,885,778
Elvis Andrus, Rangers: 1,971,514
Jhonny Peralta, Tigers: 1,178,114
Marco Scutaro, Red Sox: 1,099,744

DESIGNATED HITTER
David Ortiz, Red Sox: 4,237,014
Michael Young, Rangers: 2,235,504
Jorge Posada, Yankees: 1,453,385
Victor Martinez, Tigers: 1,234,879
Johnny Damon, Rays: 1,028,366

OUTFIELD
Jose Bautista, Blue Jays: 5,263,840
Curtis Granderson, Yankees: 4,582,419
Josh Hamilton, Rangers: 3,173,000
Jacoby Ellsbury, Red Sox: 3,051,675
Carl Crawford, Red Sox: 2,294,337
Nelson Cruz, Rangers: 1,912,783
Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners: 1,912,062
Nick Swisher, Yankees: 1,648,599
Brett Gardner, Yankees: 1,499,367
J.D. Drew, Red Sox: 1,428,367
Matt Joyce, Rays: 1,226,439
Jeff Francoeur, Royals: 1,061,445
David Murphy, Rangers: 1,057,887
Grady Sizemore, Indians: 1,033,014
Shin-Soo Choo, Indians: 924,326

really?

[spoon]

Matt Wieters should be on this list -- more than Mauer and Salty.

Agreed of course, as the guy is finally showing some signs of life and a little power too, but he's not getting boned like Avila. Fucking homer voters make me sick. I fucking voted for three yankees and absolutely hate them. It's about players deserving of the spot, not seeing your whole team take the field. It seems stubborn, myopic assholes dominate these voting procedures. See Montreal in the NHL as well for an example. F'n "dynasty" teams love themselves regardless of output.

[spoon]

really?

At least they're not holding the position down with those stats as enough sox fans DID NOT cast their vote for them. Yank fans seemingly just vote yank across the board to get everyone in regardless. F'n Posada is top three at DH!

[NickyL0885]

At least they're not holding the position down with those stats as enough sox fans DID NOT cast their vote for them. Yank fans seemingly just vote yank across the board to get everyone in regardless. F'n Posada is top three at DH!

I hate that. So fucking annoying. Winds up feeling like Yankees vs National League. Jeter should be no where near top of the voting. I know he's not playing but even when he was this year, he hasn't done shit. It's such a popularity contest. Some times guys who deserve to go don't get to go b/c of the fan vote.

[spoon]

I hate that. So fucking annoying. Winds up feeling like Yankees vs National League. Jeter should be no where near top of the voting. I know he's not playing but even when he was this year, he hasn't done shit. It's such a popularity contest. Some times guys who deserve to go don't get to go b/c of the fan vote.

At least he's had a great career and one can argue he's getting a legacy type vote from others, but Martin!? To me that's even worse. He's fucking LEADING THE VOTE at the catching position. Which leads me to my main point, all yankees are catchers.

[spoon]

I know it's early but man is Morrow dealing right now against Pitt. He finally gave up on only getting guys out by the K and is taking the Halladay type approach of late. Love the way he's been looking of late and he looks REAL sharp through 3. Mind you this is at home where he hasn't been good at all this year.
:unsure:

[cougarjake13]

I know it's early but man is Morrow dealing right now against Pitt. He finally gave up on only getting guys out by the K and is taking the Halladay type approach of late. Love the way he's been looking of late and he looks REAL sharp through 3. Mind you this is at home where he hasn't been good at all this year.
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wasnt he a closer too at some point ??

[spoon]

yah, Seattle kept going back and forth with the guy

Jays made him a straight up starter.

Final line was 7IP, 4 hits, 1 er, 3 bbs and 10 ks.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Tonight should be interesting in that A Gonzalez is playing RF and Ortiz is at 1B

[TheGameHHH]

I only voted for 3 Yankees a couple weeks ago at the stadium, Granderson Cano and Tex. Tex was obviously my homer vote because fuck Adrian Gonzalez. I realize he's a stud but I wouldnt be caught dead voting for him.

[spoon]

I only voted for 3 Yankees a couple weeks ago at the stadium, Granderson Cano and Tex. Tex was obviously my homer vote because fuck Adrian Gonzalez. I realize he's a stud but I wouldnt be caught dead voting for him.

Well at least he's a good player and worthy of being there. Hell, Lind might even be in the running if he didn't go on the DL earlier in the year. He is playing pretty f'n good this year, but that does have a lot to do with hitting behind Batista too. Still, he's HRs for his abs is the highest in the league from a stat I just saw (still 8th in the league overall with missed time). Arencibia is up there too, but he's feast or famine. Lind has learned to hit lefties and is satisfied with singles and doubles while Arencibia can't line up righties to save his life.

Oh and who got ur nod at third? No Arod huh?

[A.J.]

Tonight should be interesting in that A Gonzalez is playing RF and Ortiz is at 1B

The defense was fine, the offense was non-existent.

[TheGameHHH]

Well at least he's a good player and worthy of being there. Hell, Lind might even be in the running if he didn't go on the DL earlier in the year. He is playing pretty f'n good this year, but that does have a lot to do with hitting behind Batista too. Still, he's HRs for his abs is the highest in the league from a stat I just saw (still 8th in the league overall with missed time). Arencibia is up there too, but he's feast or famine. Lind has learned to hit lefties and is satisfied with singles and doubles while Arencibia can't line up righties to save his life.

Oh and who got ur nod at third? No Arod huh?

No, and truthfully I don't remember. I want to say Beltre. I remember thinking that A-Rod will get his votes. Its not like I thought he was or wasn't worthy, I just wanted to give someone else a shot.

[CountryBob]

Why not stop fan voting and only use stats to determine who goes to the All Star Game?

[spoon]

Why not stop fan voting and only use stats to determine who goes to the All Star Game?

Bc then the top teams would always have an unfair advantage more than ever. Not as if they don't, but at least there is some ability for fans to pick some lesser stats for players ripping it up on teams that simply don't get the runners on and in like the yanks/sox. Case and point, Matt Joyce on TB and some others.

[disneyspy]

what a crazy cubs/sf game!

[disneyspy]

2011 AMERICAN LEAGUE Spoon Vote (as of June 28)

CATCHER
Alex Avila, Tigers: 1

he's not even the best catcher on the tigers,victor martinez baby

[cougarjake13]

what a crazy cubs/sf game!

what happened ??

[spoon]

Ok, Escobar, a guy I have LOVED since coming to the Jays just did something I have never seen before and it was complete bullshit. I have no doubt he'll be getting thrown at soon if the Pirates are even close to worth their salt. If I were Farrell I'd take him out before it happens bc the Jays won't see the Pirates in years and it could cost us to lose him.

It could get ugly real soon and I don't blame the Pirates if they get their shot.

[cougarjake13]

Ok, Escobar, a guy I have LOVED since coming to the Jays just did something I have never seen before and it was complete bullshit. I have no doubt he'll be getting thrown at soon if the Pirates are even close to worth their salt. If I were Farrell I'd take him out before it happens bc the Jays won't see the Pirates in years and it could cost us to lose him.

It could get ugly real soon and I don't blame the Pirates if they get their shot.

what'd he do ??

[spoon]

wow pirates, what a bunch of pussies...namely Resop

ok, Matt Diaz got a leg into Escobar yesterday trying to break up a dp and it worked. it really wasn't anything out of the ordinary I have to say and a normal baseball play.

well today they said Escobar was still pissed about it and the announcers (Pitt's team) stated they were barking at each other during batting practice.

so today in a 6-2 game (Jays losing) escobar purposely gave up an easy dp toss and went ridiculously low obviously on purpose with the throwing hand and just punched Diaz sliding into second. it was painfully clear and the pirates didn't respond at all and the announcers are surprised as much as me.