Best Sports Franchise?

[disneyspy]

the detroit red wings have made the playoffs 19 consecutive seasons,the spurs are a distant second with 13,i'll have to say the red wings are a modern day dynasty the likes we'll never see again

[Snacks]

the detroit red wings have made the playoffs 19 consecutive seasons,the spurs are a distant second with 13,i'll have to say the red wings are a modern day dynasty the likes we'll never see again

Does the Red Wings have 27 titles?

Best sports franchise has got to be the NY Yankees

NBA LA Lakers or Celtics

NFL Dallas Cowboys or Steelers

[disneyspy]

Does the Red Wings have 27 titles?

Best sports franchise has got to be the NY Yankees

NBA LA Lakers or Celtics

NFL Dallas Cowboys or Steelers

the yankees have done well making the playoff 15 times in the last 19 years but only 2 consecutive playoffs apperances,the phillies are better with 4

[sailor]

the yankees have done well making the playoff 15 times in the last 19 years but only 2 consecutive playoffs apperances,the phillies are better with 4

that's a silly criterion to base "best" on, without even going into the percentage of teams that make the playoffs in each league.

[disneyspy]

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the guys on the NHL on NBC today said the wings are the greatest franchise ever and i cant argue with that

[Snacks]

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the guys on the NHL on NBC today said the wings are the greatest franchise ever and i cant argue with that

They are nuts. When did they go to 19 straight? Recently or 40 years ago when there were 8 teams?

[disneyspy]

They are nuts. When did they go to 19 straight? Recently or 40 years ago when there were 8 teams?

they are on a 19 consecutive playoff run(and they'll easily make the playoffs again this year) and i'm just talking modern day sports franchises since alot have been added in all leagues in the last 20 years

[Snacks]

they are on a 19 consecutive playoff run(and they'll easily make the playoffs again this year) and i'm just talking modern day sports franchises since alot have been added in all leagues in the last 20 years

Its nice but how impressive could it be when 16 teams make the playoffs every year? You dont even have to be .500 to make it.

[disneyspy]

Its nice but how impressive could it be when 16 teams make the playoffs every year? You dont even have to be .500 to make it.

so that would mean you should be able to make it only every other year,doing it 19 times in row is a modern day miracle

[Snoogans]

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the guys on the NHL on NBC today said the wings are the greatest franchise ever and i cant argue with that

if more than half the MLB made the playoffs, the yankees would prob make it 8000 times in a row. Stop this nonsense. Its not the fuckin redwings. They arent even the best hockey franchise ever. Montreal Canadians


Now get outta here you old homer

[disneyspy]

fuck the canadiens,there were only 6 teams,real tough to make the playoffs when only two teams dont make it

and we're talking modern sports franchises,try and keep up

only one team has won the presidents trophy more than twice,the red wings have won it 6 times

[Snoogans]

fuck the canadiens,there were only 6 teams,real tough to make the playoffs when only two teams dont make it

and we're talking modern sports franchises,try and keep up

only one team has won the presidents trophy more than twice,the red wings have won it 6 times

4 out of 6 isnt that much more than the % of teams that makes it now, chief

[Sinestro]

Best Sports Franchise has to be the Harlem Globetrotters. They're like 500-5 in the wins lost dept. and they used to beat up on the NBA back in the day. Sure it was in the 1950's or something.

[Jayw]

Who is better a team that makes it to the playoffs 10 years in a row and never wins the big one or a team that wins the championship once in one play off appearance in 10 years?

[Snoogans]

Who is better a team that makes it to the playoffs 10 years in a row and never wins the big one or a team that wins the championship once in one play off appearance in 10 years?

i would take the braves over the marlins

[epo]

How is this an argument? We all know the answer is the Green Bay Packers.

Lock it up!

[Snoogans]

How is this an argument? We all know the answer is Everton after they smacked Chelsea's pussy ass out of the FA Cup yesterday

Lock it up!

fixed it for you

[keithy_19]

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[Sinestro]

http://flavorwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Hartford-Whalers.jpg

Tiger Woods?

[Snoogans]

Tiger Woods?

dont you ever disgrace the whale

[Sinestro]

dont you ever disgrace the whale

Do you think they could have went after copyright infringement or whatever being that the symbols are almost similar?
http://www.discountgolfworld.com/content/nike/256657-hat.jpg

[Snoogans]

Do you think they could have went after copyright infringement or whatever being that the symbols are almost similar?

maybe if the whale didnt move and change all that shit like 97 years ago

[TripleSkeet]

Who is better a team that makes it to the playoffs 10 years in a row and never wins the big one or a team that wins the championship once in one play off appearance in 10 years?

As a fan I would take that one championship over 10 years of making the playoffs and losing.

[realmenhatelife]

It's the Yankees, and this is coming from a guy who hates the American League. They're a world wide franchise. Hockey is a fourth tier sport, it will never be a hockey team.

[Snoogans]

It's the Yankees, and this is coming from a guy who hates the American League. They're a world wide franchise. Hockey is a fourth tier sport, it will never be a hockey team.

stop it. if you are goin world wide franchise, you open a HUGE can of worms. then the answer would be like manchester united, chelsea, barcelona. it wouldnt be an american sport

[Justice4all]

stop it. if you are goin world wide franchise, you open a HUGE can of worms. then the answer would be like manchester united, chelsea, barcelona. it wouldnt be an american sport
I dunno Snoogs...I would really like to see the $$$ that the Soccer teams in Europe bring in merchandise wise as well as fanbase compared to the NYY worldwide. Hell they have people in Japan watching them play.

I'm not saying they Yanks are a lock but I wouldn't be surprised if more people know about the Yanks and not Manchester United.

[Justice4all]

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the guys on the NHL on NBC today said the wings are the greatest franchise ever and i cant argue with that

So by your logic the New Jersey Devils should be right next to the Red Wings since the Devils have made the playoffs 18 over the last 22 years and won 3 Stanley Cups in the last 15 years.

[TheGameHHH]

So by your logic the New Jersey Devils should be right next to the Red Wings since the Devils have made the playoffs 18 over the last 22 years and won 3 Stanley Cups in the last 15 years.


Amen!!

[disneyspy]

no, the devils are tied with san antonio with 13 straight(an awesome accomplishment) but that streak will end this year showing how how hard it is to be as great as the wings have been for so long.

in the modern sports era 20 straight should be impossible with free agency and the proliferation of new franchises and yet the wings are doing something that shouldnt be possible

[sailor]

no, the devils are tied with san antonio with 13 straight(an awesome accomplishment) but that streak will end this year showing how how hard it is to be as mediocre as the wings have been for so long.

here, here.

[disneyspy]

here, here.

4 cups during the streak

and you cant quote worth shit

[A.J.]

http://flavorwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Hartford-Whalers.jpg

"Yeah, it was...once."

http://images.wikia.com/godfather/images/6/65/Tomfrank.jpg

[realmenhatelife]

stop it. if you are goin world wide franchise, you open a HUGE can of worms. then the answer would be like manchester united, chelsea, barcelona. it wouldnt be an american sport

I took the implication as biggest American franchise, and of the American franchises there are very few world brands. I know if it was a question of biggest franchises in the entire world it would be soccer.

[Snoogans]

I dunno Snoogs...I would really like to see the $$$ that the Soccer teams in Europe bring in merchandise wise as well as fanbase compared to the NYY worldwide. Hell they have people in Japan watching them play.

I'm not saying they Yanks are a lock but I wouldn't be surprised if more people know about the Yanks and not Manchester United.

this is the most ignorant statement I have ever seen in my life. Outside of north america and asia, they dont even play baseball in the world. They play soccer in every country.

put it this way tom. REAL MADRID JUST SET THE RECORD FOR HIGHEST EARNING FRANCHISE IN SPORTS HISTORY

Ill let you read that sentence again.

Btw, the yankees arent even the most valuable sports franchise in the US. The cowboys are worth more (this list is from the end of 2010 and doesnt even factor in real madrids latest earnings):
Here is the full top 10 listing from Forbes.

1. Manchester United (EPL) -- $1.83 billion
2. Dallas Cowboys (NFL) -- $1.65 billion
3. New York Yankees (MLB) -- $1.6 billion
4. Washington Redskins (NFL) -- $1.55 billion
5. New England Patriots (NFL) -- $1.36 billion
6. Real Madrid (La Liga) -- $1.32 billion
7. New York Giants (NFL) -- $1.18 billion
8. Arsenal (EPL) -- $1.18 billion
9. New York Jets (NFL) -- $1.17 billion
10. Houston Texans (NFL) -- $1.15 billion

1 baseball team. 3 soccer teams on the list. The Yankees arent anywhere near alot of soccer clubs world wide in popularity

[Snoogans]

I took the implication as biggest American franchise, and of the American franchises there are very few world brands. I know if it was a question of biggest franchises in the entire world it would be soccer.

ok if you are goin by amaerican teams only using world wide brand, its probably the yankees. but again, we forget baseball is a realatively small sport worldwide. basketball is even more world wide than baseball is.

[Snoogans]

here Tom i did some research:

The Yankees doled out $223 million to players last year and $111 million to Major League Baseball in the form of revenue sharing and luxury tax payments. So even with record attendance of 4.1 million, the Yankees lost $50 million, one of the biggest losses in baseball history.

ok, so the yankees spent 223 mill plus 111. thats 334. plus factor in, and ill be generous, another 164 million for whatever other costs. thats 500 mill. And they lost 50 mill for the year. so they made about 450 mill for the year.

ok:

The bank discovers that Real Madrid is the biggest earner in football for the sixth consecutive year, with income of 438.6 million Euros ($597 million US dollars). They are closely followed by FC Barcelona, with the Catalan club earning 398.1 million Euros($542 million dollars) a year.

the rest of the top 10 for soccer teams (in euros):
1. Real Madrid 438.6
2. Barcelona 398.1
3. Man Utd 349.8
4. Bayern Munich 323
5. Arsenal 274.1
6. Chelsea 255.9
7. AC Milan 235.8
8. Liverpool 225.3
9. Inter Milan 224.8
10. Juventus 205

[newport king]

no, the devils are tied with san antonio with 13 straight(an awesome accomplishment) but that streak will end this year showing how how hard it is to be as great as the wings have been for so long.



Do you even watch hockey? Have you seen the run this team has been on?

[disneyspy]

Do you even watch hockey? Have you seen the run this team has been on?

yes i watch hockey but their run has come too late,theyre 10 points out and theres only 23 games left,plus some teams ahead of them like the leafs could keep them out

[weekapaugjz]

Do you even watch hockey? Have you seen the run this team has been on?

it will take a miracle for the devils to make the playoffs.

[TripleSkeet]

I dont know, to me baseball is the only sport where repeated playoff appearances is impressive.

[newport king]

it will take a miracle for the devils to make the playoffs.

23 games to go and 10 points out. the way they're playing they'll make it. Especially if Carolina and the Rangers keep playing the way they do.

I'm by no means a Devils "fan", however this run has actually gotten me to pay attention to the regular season.

[TripleSkeet]

23 games to go and 10 points out. the way they're playing they'll make it. Especially if Carolina and the Rangers keep playing the way they do.

I'm by no means a Devils "fan", however this run has actually gotten me to pay attention to the regular season.

That would explain your avatar.

[disneyspy]

23 games to go and 10 points out. the way they're playing they'll make it. Especially if Carolina and the Rangers keep playing the way they do.

I'm by no means a Devils "fan", however this run has actually gotten me to pay attention to the regular season.

i looked at their schedule and they dont have anymore games against the good western conference teams so ya they could make it if they continue on this roll and if the 7th or 8th place teams fall apart but those are two pretty big ifs

[newport king]

That would explain your avatar.

i changed it during this discussion.

[Snacks]

yes i watch hockey but their run has come too late,theyre 10 points out and theres only 23 games left,plus some teams ahead of them like the leafs could keep them out

isnt that 46 point up for grab right there?

NJ Devils will make the playoffs and be a huge surprise and the biggest 2nd half turn around ever.

[weekapaugjz]

23 games to go and 10 points out. the way they're playing they'll make it. Especially if Carolina and the Rangers keep playing the way they do.

I'm by no means a Devils "fan", however this run has actually gotten me to pay attention to the regular season.

the run is pretty freaking good. it's tough to keep that going though. if they lose three in a row and a teams in front of them keep winning, it just digs them further into a hole.

[spoon]

that's a silly criterion to base "best" on, without even going into the percentage of teams that make the playoffs in each league.

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the guys on the NHL on NBC today said the wings are the greatest franchise ever and i cant argue with that

Ok, I HATE the Red Wings but man they are run so well. Yes the criteria is off here, but let's also factor in the money angle the Red Wings don't have and the fact that the yanks can/should make the playoffs every year based on their payroll. I'd put the Wings ahead of them in a second. What the Wings pull off is done with scouting, coaching and quite simply amazing moves in every area. Fucking hate them, but it's tough to ignore.

As for dspy saying he "can't argue with that" being a red wing fan, GHEY!

[disneyspy]

isnt that 46 point up for grab right there?

NJ Devils will make the playoffs and be a huge surprise and the biggest 2nd half turn around ever.

no way do they win all 23 and the 5 teams ahead of them will be getting points too,you changed my mind again,devils wont make it

[spoon]

Its nice but how impressive could it be when 16 teams make the playoffs every year? You dont even have to be .500 to make it.

The wings are tops in their division almost every year, so top 3 overall (usually higher too). They have a TON of president's trophies as well (top record in the NHL regardless of conference).

[weekapaugjz]

isnt that 46 point up for grab right there?

even if they got 35 out of those 46 points (which is a stretch) they would be at 89 points. carolina (currently in 8th) would only have to gain 25 points out of the 44 remaining (slightly likely). plus throw in the sabres who besides a 3 game skid have been hot and the rangers. yes, the devils could make the playoffs, but it's highly unlikely.

[spoon]

fuck the canadiens,there were only 6 teams,real tough to make the playoffs when only two teams dont make it

and we're talking modern sports franchises,try and keep up

only one team has won the presidents trophy more than twice,the red wings have won it 6 times

Again, bs. Go look up your pre-NHL/NHL history.

[disneyspy]

Ok, I HATE the Red Wings but man they are run so well. Yes the criteria is off here, but let's also factor in the money angle the Red Wings don't have and the fact that the yanks can/should make the playoffs every year based on their payroll. I'd put the Wings ahead of them in a second. What the Wings pull off is done with scouting, coaching and quite simply amazing moves in every area. Fucking hate them, but it's tough to ignore.

As for dspy saying he "can't argue with that" being a red wing fan, GHEY!

hey,all i said was i cant argue with the most controversial statement i heard over the weekend

[disneyspy]

Again, bs. Go look up your pre-NHL/NHL history.

you fucker! i got away with that crazy talk!

[Snacks]

no way do they win all 23 and the 5 teams ahead of them will be getting points too,you changed my mind again,devils wont make it

Im not saying they will win them all Im saying they are 10 points back with 46 points up for grab. They have plenty of time and the Rangers and Carolina lose here and there, then they got a shot!

[spoon]

So by your logic the New Jersey Devils should be right next to the Red Wings since the Devils have made the playoffs 18 over the last 22 years and won 3 Stanley Cups in the last 15 years.

No bc the red wings actually support their teams even when the city and whole surrounding area is out of work. The devs have been run quite well in the past, and making it interesting right now with JL back, but the Wings are a constant.

[disneyspy]

Im not saying they will win them all Im saying they are 10 points back with 46 points up for grab. They have plenty of time and the Rangers and Carolina lose here and there, then they got a shot!

i'll defer to weekas post on the previous page and plus i dont see the devils maintaining the roll theyve been on as impressive as its been

[spoon]

So by your logic the New Jersey Devils should be right next to the Red Wings since the Devils have made the playoffs 18 over the last 22 years and won 3 Stanley Cups in the last 15 years.

this is the most ignorant statement I have ever seen in my life. Outside of north america and asia, they dont even play baseball in the world. They play soccer in every country.

put it this way tom. REAL MADRID JUST SET THE RECORD FOR HIGHEST EARNING FRANCHISE IN SPORTS HISTORY

Ill let you read that sentence again.

Btw, the yankees arent even the most valuable sports franchise in the US. The cowboys are worth more (this list is from the end of 2010 and doesnt even factor in real madrids latest earnings):
Here is the full top 10 listing from Forbes.

1. Manchester United (EPL) -- $1.83 billion
2. Dallas Cowboys (NFL) -- $1.65 billion
3. New York Yankees (MLB) -- $1.6 billion
4. Washington Redskins (NFL) -- $1.55 billion
5. New England Patriots (NFL) -- $1.36 billion
6. Real Madrid (La Liga) -- $1.32 billion
7. New York Giants (NFL) -- $1.18 billion
8. Arsenal (EPL) -- $1.18 billion
9. New York Jets (NFL) -- $1.17 billion
10. Houston Texans (NFL) -- $1.15 billion

1 baseball team. 3 soccer teams on the list. The Yankees arent anywhere near alot of soccer clubs world wide in popularity

Soccer is all most countries can afford (ball, net, field, two trees/can/whatever). Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Don't worry Shaun, the way the US is going it'll be huge here soon too bc our third world status is right around the corner.

[spoon]

yes i watch hockey but their run has come too late,theyre 10 points out and theres only 23 games left,plus some teams ahead of them like the leafs could keep them out

it will take a miracle for the devils to make the playoffs.

Check out their upcoming schedule though. I'm starting to think they can actually pull this thing off. The toughest team on there really is pitt and man they aren't nearly as strong right now with all the huge injuries (malkin, crosby and more). It's not going to be easy to jump that many teams and make up that much ground but man are they on a run.

[spoon]

I dont know, to me baseball is the only sport where repeated playoff appearances is impressive.

not really that simple to me

$$$$$$$$

[disneyspy]

Check out their upcoming schedule though. I'm starting to think they can actually pull this thing off. The toughest team on there really is pitt and man they aren't nearly as strong right now with all the huge injuries (malkin, crosby and more). It's not going to be easy to jump that many teams and make up that much ground but man are they on a run.

i think when i looked at their schedule is when i thought it might be possible but then i remembered that lots of teams get hot at the end and they will have to play some teams that have been mucking around for the first 3/4 of the season,if all they played were the senators the rest of the season then i would say yes,but they dont

[spoon]

At one point I could argue my homer point of the Avs not only making the playoffs every year in Colorado, but winning the division 9 times in a row. Man has shit changed of late. It's simply not easy to win at that level in any sport where you can't just sign everything you want. If we're talking how an org is run, the Wings are clearly in the discussion in a big way. However, if it's just devoid of actually looking into WHY the team is tops and how an org is run, then yes, the yankees have a claim to being a spending giant. Sorry, it's not even close to the same thing. In fact, look how well the yanks were doing in the modern era w/o free spending under George in the 80/90's. The change came with the advent of free spending/no cap.

[Snacks]

i think when i looked at their schedule is when i thought it might be possible but then i remembered that lots of teams get hot at the end and they will have to play some teams that have been mucking around for the first 3/4 of the season,if all they played were the senators the rest of the season then i would say yes,but they dont

But those other teams arent the Devils. If this were the Islanders or even the Rangers I would say no shot. But the Devils had the talent all year but played like shit early on. Got their old coach back and have 1 of the 5 best players in the league on their team who finally remembered how to play and why he is being paid $100 million!

[spoon]

no way is kov top 5 in the league

no way

[spoon]

stamkos, crosby, ovechkin, sedin, sedin, renne, luongo and soooo many more

he's not even the best guy on his team

[Snoogans]

Soccer is all most countries can afford (ball, net, field, two trees/can/whatever). Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Don't worry Shaun, the way the US is going it'll be huge here soon too bc our third world status is right around the corner.

whatever you feel about it that wasnt the point. the point is it makes a ton of money and is the worlds most popular sport by far, in contrast to what tom was implying

[Snacks]

stamkos, crosby, ovechkin, sedin, sedin, renne, luongo and soooo many more

he's not even the best guy on his team

all I know is everything I read and watched on tv said the Devils signed top 5 guy. I will let you win this argument b/c I know and follow so little about hockey but the Devils are a good org and I highly doubt they would over pay him if he wasnt up there or close to if not a top 5 player? They arent the Nationals overpaying a guy to get some recognition.

[spoon]

whatever you feel about it that wasnt the point. the point is it makes a ton of money and is the worlds most popular sport by far, in contrast to what tom was implying

well, it's tom

[spoon]

all I know is everything I read and watched on tv said the Devils signed top 5 guy. I will let you win this argument b/c I know and follow so little about hockey but the Devils are a good org and I highly doubt they would over pay him if he wasnt up there or close to if not a top 5 player? They arent the Nationals overpaying a guy to get some recognition.

to me, it's exactly what they did

Lou really didn't want him bc he simply doesn't fit their style/system. His defense is atrocious to say the least, not to mention he's not a good team player. Can he score goals when on, sure, but there is a reason his teams usually suck.

[sailor]

The wings are tops in their division almost every year, so top 3 overall (usually higher too). They have a TON of president's trophies as well (top record in the NHL regardless of conference).

following mlb rules the wings would have missed the playoffs last year. they came in 5th in their conference (http://espn.go.com/nhl/standings/_/year/2010) without winning their division (http://espn.go.com/nhl/standings/_/year/2010/group/3).

[spoon]

following mlb rules the wings would have missed the playoffs last year. they came in 5th in their conference (http://espn.go.com/nhl/standings/_/year/2010) without winning their division (http://espn.go.com/nhl/standings/_/year/2010/group/3).

Following NHL rules the yankees would have missed the playoffs a shitload more.

[sailor]

Following NHL rules the yankees would have missed the playoffs a shitload more.

there's no facts to base that on, it's just a hunch you have.

[spoon]

Not to mention they wouldn't have gave key players who were banged up rests since the division was out of reach. They instead would have probably made a run on Phoenix who nabbed the "wild card" spot in an MLB playoff format. Not to mention the schedule would have to be rearranged to be more like MLB meaning the Coyotes would have had a tougher schedule. Basically, too many factors to make that type comparison.

[spoon]

there's no facts to base that on, it's just a hunch you have.

no it's not, they would have to conform to a cap

they would be the 2008 yankees without some big names...yah so worse than the 2008 yanks. oh and they'd lose some of their key names as well as not get every free agent they need to fill a hole or mistake. so yah, i'm pretty confident in my statement being more than a hunch, it's called logic.

[zildjian361]

The Bronx Bombers NY YANKEES cant deny it:wub:

[sailor]

Not to mention they wouldn't have gave key players who were banged up rests since the division was out of reach. They instead would have probably made a run on Phoenix who nabbed the "wild card" spot in an MLB playoff format. Not to mention the schedule would have to be rearranged to be more like MLB meaning the Coyotes would have had a tougher schedule. Basically, too many factors to make that type comparison.

which was my point from the beginning, that it's silly to use making the playoffs as the basis for judging greatness, given how different the formats are from sport-to-sport.

[Justice4all]

this is the most ignorant statement I have ever seen in my life. Outside of north america and asia, they dont even play baseball in the world. They play soccer in every country.

put it this way tom. REAL MADRID JUST SET THE RECORD FOR HIGHEST EARNING FRANCHISE IN SPORTS HISTORY

Ill let you read that sentence again.

Btw, the yankees arent even the most valuable sports franchise in the US. The cowboys are worth more (this list is from the end of 2010 and doesnt even factor in real madrids latest earnings):
Here is the full top 10 listing from Forbes.

1. Manchester United (EPL) -- $1.83 billion
2. Dallas Cowboys (NFL) -- $1.65 billion
3. New York Yankees (MLB) -- $1.6 billion
4. Washington Redskins (NFL) -- $1.55 billion
5. New England Patriots (NFL) -- $1.36 billion
6. Real Madrid (La Liga) -- $1.32 billion
7. New York Giants (NFL) -- $1.18 billion
8. Arsenal (EPL) -- $1.18 billion
9. New York Jets (NFL) -- $1.17 billion
10. Houston Texans (NFL) -- $1.15 billion

1 baseball team. 3 soccer teams on the list. The Yankees arent anywhere near alot of soccer clubs world wide in popularity

Wow...the cowboys beat the Yanks by a mere 50 million.
And aside from Manchester United the top 5 is all american sports.
And you also forgot that Baseball is played in central and south america as well as the Caribbean.


But how the FUCK are the Houston Texans on this list? The youngest NFL franchise? Why not Pittsburgh or San Fran or someone with a stronger fan base and merchandise?

[Snoogans]

Wow...the cowboys beat the Yanks by a mere 50 million.
And aside from Manchester United the top 5 is all american sports.
And you also forgot that Baseball is played in central and south america as well as the Caribbean.


But how the FUCK are the Houston Texans on this list? The youngest NFL franchise? Why not Pittsburgh or San Fran or someone with a stronger fan base and merchandise?

yea, thats north america, just like i said you jackass. Soccer is played there too, and guess what, in most of those countries, soccer is WAY bigger

south america its played very sparingly. aside from venezuela, SA is NOT a hot bed for baseball

[Snoogans]

Wow...the cowboys beat the Yanks by a mere 50 million.
And aside from Manchester United the top 5 is all american sports.
And you also forgot that Baseball is played in central and south america as well as the Caribbean.


But how the FUCK are the Houston Texans on this list? The youngest NFL franchise? Why not Pittsburgh or San Fran or someone with a stronger fan base and merchandise?

the stadium. the texans own the stadium. so do the cowboys, and the yankees. and the giants/jets, thats what got them all on the list

FYI, MOST soccer teams dont own their stadiums. the cities do and they lease them, and the practice facilities. thats why they dont rank higher on the list. Trust me, worldwide, soccer pisses on baseball.

its not even close

[Justice4all]

No bc the red wings actually support their teams even when the city and whole surrounding area is out of work. The devs have been run quite well in the past, and making it interesting right now with JL back, but the Wings are a constant.

I was simply pointing out that his argument was simple playoff appearances and Stanley Cup wins. And if that was his case then I could say Devils and have similar numbers in a same time frame.
I wasn't really saying Devils for reasons you already stated.
Just trying to poke holes in the theory.

[Justice4all]

whatever you feel about it that wasnt the point. the point is it makes a ton of money and is the worlds most popular sport by far, in contrast to what tom was implying

I wasn't implying anything. I just was interested to see how they matched up against other world organizations.

[Justice4all]

well, it's tom

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[Snoogans]

I wasn't implying anything. I just was interested to see how they matched up against other world organizations.

in terms of money the yankees match up fine. but remember the US has alot of money and spends it. You brought up worldwide popularity, and in that, A LOT of soccer teams dominate the yankees. its just that we pump in so much cash, espcially in the NYC area, that they are up there in money and since they own the stadium and it cost so much, they are up there in value

[Justice4all]

the stadium. the texans own the stadium. so do the cowboys, and the yankees. and the giants/jets, thats what got them all on the list



Just because they own their own stadium they're on the list?
There has to be more to it than that. What about the YES network for the Yanks? I am sure that adds to their value.

And don't any of the other teams own their stadiums or is it only because how NEW the Yanks, Giants/Jets. Dallas and Houston's stadium is that makes it more valuable?

[Snoogans]

Just because they own their own stadium they're on the list?
There has to be more to it than that. What about the YES network for the Yanks? I am sure that adds to their value.

And don't any of the other teams own their stadiums or is it only because how NEW the Yanks, Giants/Jets. Dallas and Houston's stadium is that makes it more valuable?

what i mean is, the value of the stadium adds alot. not to say they would be broke, but they wouldnt be top ten.

and yea, yes is valuable. and so is SNY. but they dont make shit compared to MSG networks and the knicks arent on this list despite being the highest valued NBA franchise. that stadium means ALOT. The knicks will be on the list in a couple years after they finish the 800 million dollar upgrade to the garden

the newness of the stadiums helps alot, but ALL the soccer stadiums are really really old. so that would hurt hem too

but no, nmost american teams dont own the stadiums. every stadium built mostly with public money is owned by either the state or city and the teams sign a lease. thats the case for MOST teams, but not most teams in NY

[Snacks]

I believe when team value is figured out their network has nothing to do with it because those are separate ventures that actually pay the teams as if they were just a tv station paying a sports franchise. When coming up with the value of a team it the team and stadiums only!

[Snoogans]

I believe when team value is figured out their network has nothing to do with it because those are separate ventures that actually pay the teams as if they were just a tv station paying a sports franchise. When coming up with the value of a team it the team and stadiums only!

i agree cause a stadium is tangible. a stadium is worth what its worth regardless. a network, after a few bad years, with low ratings, loses a ton of value. plus they have alot of other owners in on networks you never hear about. almost no one owns 100% of the network. the knicks do, and they STILL didnt make it. so its not THAT important

[sailor]

in terms of money the yankees match up fine. but remember the US has alot of money and spends it. You brought up worldwide popularity, and in that, A LOT of soccer teams dominate the yankees. its just that we pump in so much cash, espcially in the NYC area, that they are up there in money and since they own the stadium and it cost so much, they are up there in value

can you find worldwide merch sales? that would be the most telling stat. i think i remember hearing mu and nyy were at the top of that list (although this was maybe a decade ago).

[Snoogans]

can you find worldwide merch sales? that would be the most telling stat. i think i remember hearing mu and nyy were at the top of that list (although this was maybe a decade ago).

i tired, i couldnt find it. its hard to find for soccer cause it goes by player more than teams. For example, messi makes a ton of shit selling with his name on it. but its not all barca shit, alot is argentina stuff, so it makes barca look less but messi way more. it gets really confusing

and again, that would go back to what I said. the Yankees might sell as much merchendise, but they are selling to a more narrow audience. its just an audience with money who buys a ton of stupid shit

[spoon]

right, soccer idiots and front-runners in both sports don't buy stupid shit

it's just the yanks and americans

I guess the HUGE soccer market that is almost all of Europe is in way worse shape than the US economically...or not.

Bottom line is this thread isn't about simply money/rev, if that was the case it would be straight up fact versus the argument at hand about the best sports franchise. It's a combination of many factors, with the above being only a piece. If you want to just label all the best franchises the richest ones, then you have no right even posting in this thread.

To me it's even more impressive when those teams in lesser markets, wit lesser rev and great front offices over the years that keep them competitive year in and year out. It's not the only indicator for me, bc as much as I love the Twins org, they do jack if in the AL East right now. Yet who is to blame on this one, MLB or the Twins? Pitt Stealers are another great franchise as well. Man can that team line up good coaches.

[Snoogans]

right, soccer idiots and front-runners in both sports don't buy stupid shit

it's just the yanks and americans

I guess the HUGE soccer market that is almost all of Europe is in way worse shape than the US economically...or not.

Bottom line is this thread isn't about simply money/rev, if that was the case it would be straight up fact versus the argument at hand about the best sports franchise. It's a combination of many factors, with the above being only a piece. If you want to just label all the best franchises the richest ones, then you have no right even posting in this thread.

To me it's even more impressive when those teams in lesser markets, wit lesser rev and great front offices over the years that keep them competitive year in and year out. It's not the only indicator for me, bc as much as I love the Twins org, they do jack if in the AL East right now. Yet who is to blame on this one, MLB or the Twins? Pitt Stealers are another great franchise as well. Man can that team line up good coaches.

you yourself talk about how alot of the countries that love soccer are poor. yea they buy alot, but americans spend ALOT of money. we spend more money on things overall, not just sports, than most countries too

[Snacks]

you yourself talk about how alot of the countries that love soccer are poor. yea they buy alot, but americans spend ALOT of money. we spend more money on things overall, not just sports, than most countries too

Exactly, many parts of the world that love soccer dont spend or better yet waste their money buying shit they dont need or cant afford. Americans wont just buy 1 jersey or 1 hat, they will buy 5 jerseys, 10 hats and all the worthless memorabilia there is to buy. Look at all the companies that sell that shit. Favre breaks a record and sells signed footballs for $500 or something like that. Who needs a signed football by any player? What does that do for people? You stare at the autograph and jerk off? Its a waste. If the rest of the worlds priorities were to buy excessively like us Americans do then soccer teams would triple what the yanks do and whoever else.

[spoon]

I guess there are no fans that are INSANE for soccer in Europe and other SA spots.

http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/man-united-273x300.jpg

http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/ma/manchester-united-fc-fans-double-duvet-cover-and-pillowcase-bedding.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/26/article-1156288-0300A73B000005DC-822_468x313.jpg

[CruelCircus]

Houston's the 4th largest city in the country.

On top of that, their stadium (and Dallas') has the benefit of having a retractable roof. So, not only do they own it, but it's so much more valuable b/c of all the events they can hold there, year round, and the team makes the money off of it.

[Snoogans]

I guess there are no fans that are INSANE for soccer in Europe and other SA spots.

http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/man-united-273x300.jpg

http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/ma/manchester-united-fc-fans-double-duvet-cover-and-pillowcase-bedding.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/26/article-1156288-0300A73B000005DC-822_468x313.jpg

yea thats clearly what i said, that no one in the world overbuys shit. but how many people are in england, like 50 million? there arent a whole lot of man u bed spreads outside of england Id guess

[disneyspy]

Bottom line is this thread isn't about simply money/rev,

exactly

when the NBC commentators were talking about it,they weren't comparing most popular or richest or money makers,they were talking about long term winning and personel,i dint bring it up because i wanted to see what others thought of what i thought was an outlandish comment about one of my favorite teams and i'm pretty sure they were only talking about north american sports franchises.

[Dan 'Hampton]

yea thats clearly what i said, that no one in the world overbuys shit. but how many people are in england, like 50 million? there arent a whole lot of man u bed spreads outside of england Id guess


Your out of your mind. Way more man u than nyy. In the rest of the world no one buys anything more than a Yankees hat because they see their favorite football star wearing one. And imagine how many of those hats are Chinease knockoffs.

[Snoogans]

Your out of your mind. Way more man u than nyy. In the rest of the world no one buys anything more than a Yankees hat because they see their favorite football star wearing one. And imagine how many of those hats are Chinease knockoffs.

right, so the fact the yankees make almost as much cash means we in america buy way more yankee shit then the world buys soccer shit. backs up my whole point

[Justice4all]

Pitt Stealers are another great franchise as well. Man can that team line up good coaches.

Dude do you have a working spell check on your computer?

[Jayw]

Dude do you have a working spell check on your computer?

What would a spell check even of done? stealers??? fuck the steelers. He could of been referring to thieves

[Justice4all]

What would a spell check even of done? stealers??? fuck the steelers. He could of been referring to thieves

In what context would they be the stealers? He's done this a lot. Jay's a smart guy, it's boggling how he can mis-spell simple words.

[Snoogans]

In what context would they be the stealers? He's done this a lot. Jay's a smart guy, it's boggling how he can mis-spell simple words.

im pretty sure its cause he doesnt care. The fact that you are actually harping on this is kinda sad tom

and besides, steal is a word, so spell check wouldnt even correct it

[Snacks]

im pretty sure its cause he doesnt care. The fact that you are actually harping on this is kinda sad tom

and besides, steal is a word, so spell check wouldnt even correct it

Its a fucking message board not school. Who the fuck cares about spelling?

[Justice4all]

Its a fucking message board not school. Who the fuck cares about spelling?


...or punctuations?

[Snacks]

im pretty sure its cause he doesnt care. The fact that you are actually harping on this is kinda sad tom

and besides, steal is a word, so spell check wouldnt even correct it

BTW snoogs it's I'm with a capital I and a '. Just make sure you do that because there are douches out there that seem to think this is English class!

[Snoogans]

BTW snoogs it's I'm with a capital I and a '. Just make sure you do that because there are douches out there that seem to think this is English class!

axe cuse me. My apoligeeees

[Justice4all]

im pretty sure its cause he doesnt care. The fact that you are actually harping on this is kinda sad tom

and besides, steal is a word, so spell check wouldnt even correct it

Excuse me for having a pet peeve. I've given up on your lack of punctuation.
And I know he doesn't care. And he knows I know it.
It's not sad Snoogans. Let the professor defend himself, I don't think he needs you to fight his battles, no matter how small they appear to be.

[Justice4all]

BTW snoogs it's I'm with a capital I and a '. Just make sure you do that because there are douches out there that seem to think this is English class!

Just shows a lack of educations. That's all I'm saying.

Sorry....thats all im saying. (better)

[disneyspy]

some of us have had alot of higher education but do enjoy our .net posting styles

[Snoogans]

Excuse me for having a pet peeve. I've given up on your lack of punctuation.
And I know he doesn't care. And he knows I know it.
It's not sad Snoogans. Let the professor defend himself, I don't think he needs you to fight his battles, no matter how small they appear to be.

what does spoon fighting his battle for himself have to do with it being sad. regardless who argues its still sad

[Jayw]

If you want to look at expert spelling try to catch some of my past under the influence post. once you pass a certain number of xanax all bets on the english language are off. Scary shiznit

[Justice4all]

BTW snoogs it's I'm with a capital I and a '. Just make sure you do that because there are douches out there that seem to think this is English class!


#16 baby!!!!

[spoon]

4 fux sake Tom, it was a quick post and I probably just went to the actual word

if i EVER proofed you posts we'd fucking be here all year

and my pet peeve is positive STD checks, so now we BOTH piss each other off

[cougarjake13]

4 fux sake Tom, it was a quick post and I probably just went to the actual word

if i EVER proofed you posts we'd fucking be here all year

and my pet peeve is positive STD checks, so now we BOTH piss each other off




hes being a bit bulldogcakes lately

[disneyspy]

and with tonights win, winners of the western conferences central division for the 14th time in the divisions 17 year history and in the playoffs for a modern day sports record of 20 in a row


YOUR DETROIT RED WINGS!!!

[Snoogans]

and with tonights win, winners of the western conferences central division for the 14th time in the divisions 17 year history and in the playoffs for a modern day sports record of 20 in a row


YOUR DETROIT RED WINGS!!!

dont more than 477 people have to care about a franchise for it to be in the running for best?

[disneyspy]

dont more than 477 people have to care about a franchise for it to be in the running for best?

you must know nothing about hockey because when the wings travel their fans show up big time at away games

[Snoogans]

you must know nothing about hockey because when the wings travel their fans show up big time at away games

the statement was more at hockey as a whole cause no one really cares

[disneyspy]

Top 10 in total attendance

League Sport Country Season Games Average attendance Total attendance
Major League Baseball Baseball United States / Canada 2009 2,430 30,338 73,402,524
Nippon Professional Baseball Baseball Japan 2009 846 25,926 22,399,679
National Basketball Association Basketball United States / Canada 2008–09 1,230 17,520 21,549,238
National Hockey League Ice hockey United States / Canada 2008–09 1,230 17,460 21,475,223
National Football League American football United States 2009-10 256 68,240 17,469,552
Premier League Association football England 2008–09 380 35,600 13,527,815
Bundesliga Association football Germany 2008–09 306 42,565 13,024,890
La Liga Association football Spain 2008–09 380 29,124 11,067,120
Football League Championship Association football England (22 teams)
Wales (2 teams) 2008–09 552 17,891 9,875,832
Serie A Association football Italy 2008–09 380 25,304 9,615,546

[Snoogans]

Top 10 in total attendance

League Sport Country Season Games Average attendance Total attendance
Major League Baseball Baseball United States / Canada 2009 2,430 30,338 73,402,524
Nippon Professional Baseball Baseball Japan 2009 846 25,926 22,399,679
National Basketball Association Basketball United States / Canada 2008–09 1,230 17,520 21,549,238
National Hockey League Ice hockey United States / Canada 2008–09 1,230 17,460 21,475,223
National Football League American football United States 2009-10 256 68,240 17,469,552
Premier League Association football England 2008–09 380 35,600 13,527,815
Bundesliga Association football Germany 2008–09 306 42,565 13,024,890
La Liga Association football Spain 2008–09 380 29,124 11,067,120
Football League Championship Association football England (22 teams)
Wales (2 teams) 2008–09 552 17,891 9,875,832
Serie A Association football Italy 2008–09 380 25,304 9,615,546

hockey is way better in person. Instead of being like tenbatz and finding these half ass statistics, just accept it. On TV, compared to other american sports, the ratings arent good. Alot of people go cause hockey in person is great. But overall, the last lockout hurt it really bad. They need to get back on ESPN and then it will build up again. Cause, sadly, the american lemmings need it on ESPN to care

[disneyspy]

hockey is way better in person. Instead of being like tenbatz and finding these half ass statistics, just accept it. On TV, compared to other american sports, the ratings arent good. Alot of people go cause hockey in person is great. But overall, the last lockout hurt it really bad. They need to get back on ESPN and then it will build up again. Cause, sadly, the american lemmings need it on ESPN to care

that is so true its sad,if the hartford whalers where still around...

[Snacks]

hockey is way better in person. Instead of being like tenbatz and finding these half ass statistics, just accept it. On TV, compared to other american sports, the ratings arent good. Alot of people go cause hockey in person is great. But overall, the last lockout hurt it really bad. They need to get back on ESPN and then it will build up again. Cause, sadly, the american lemmings need it on ESPN to care

The lockout hurt but it has never been a ratings grabber. Hockey is great, maybe the best sport to watch live. But on TV is sucks. To even argue about the Detroit Red Wings being the best sports franchise is a waste of time. Everyone knows they arent and those who try to say they are make themselves seem like they know nothing about sports or business!

[disneyspy]

The lockout hurt but it has never been a ratings grabber. Hockey is great, maybe the best sport to watch live. But on TV is sucks. To even argue about the Detroit Red Wings being the best sports franchise is a waste of time. Everyone knows they arent and those who try to say they are make themselves seem like they know nothing about sports or business!

20 in a row


and i'm sorry but i didn't know we were discussing business here


because we aren't

[Snoogans]

20 in a row


and i'm sorry but i didn't know we were discussing business here


because we aren't
actually discussing the best franchise has to do with business as well as pure on field/ice/court results

[Snacks]

actually discussing the best franchise has to do with business as well as pure on field/ice/court results

Exactly! Business is a very big part of the conversation when discussing "Best Sports Franchise"

[A.J.]

that is so true its sad,if the hartford whalers where still around...

Oh if only.... :down:

[disneyspy]

Exactly! Business is a very big part of the conversation when discussing "Best Sports Franchise"

clearly the red wings are the best run modern day sports team because they've made the playoffs 20 seasons in a row

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Best individual franchise


http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x310/The_Ultimate_Wrestling_Gallery/Shane%20Douglas/ShaneDouglas001.jpg

[A.J.]

Best individual franchise

http://www.kaboommagazine.com/userfiles/content_francis0919.jpg

[cougarjake13]

man united

[Snoogans]

man united

they are 966 mill in debt. they win alot but they are run terribly

[disneyspy]

the indianapolis colts streak of playoffs is over,the detroit red wings continue to prove they're the greatest modern day north american sports franchise with 20 straight playoff appearances

[keithy_19]

Bengals.

[cougarjake13]

Bengals.



only in the afc in 81 and 88

[cougarjake13]

the indianapolis colts streak of playoffs is over,the detroit red wings continue to prove they're the greatest modern day north american sports franchise with 20 straight playoff appearances


and theyve only won like 4 cups in that time

so what your slightly better then the atlanta braves

[Snacks]

the indianapolis colts streak of playoffs is over,the detroit red wings continue to prove they're the greatest modern day north american sports franchise with 20 straight playoff appearances

are you still spewing this garbage? 16 teams make the playoffs in hockey, sorry its not that great of an accomplishment compared to mlb or even the nfl where there are 12 playoff teams but only a total of 4 wild cards. in hockey there are basically 10 wild card teams.

[spoon]

are you still spewing this garbage? 16 teams make the playoffs in hockey, sorry its not that great of an accomplishment compared to mlb or even the nfl where there are 12 playoff teams but only a total of 4 wild cards. in hockey there are basically 10 wild card teams.

It's a good point, not to mention the fact they played in one of the MOST PATHETIC divisions in hockey for years and were still the complete opposite for more than 20 years before this run. Sorry, this and what Snacks says buries your argument under 50 ft of dirt. :wink:

You should remember the Dead Wing era plenty, as you were only 60 back then (late 60's up until Stevie Y in the mid 80's)!

Oh and the NHL is quite solvent, something I'm sure the NBA might not want to address until recently...and it's not even safe yet TBH.

Not to mention the NHL sucks on tv is for casual idiotic fans who know nothing. It was fine on reg tv and now amazing on HDTV. Sorry, that's the cheap easy argument people who don't know shit rely on versus having actual knowledge of said sport.

[disneyspy]

22 consecutive playoff appearances,there can be no argument the detroit red wings are the greatest modern day dynasty

[Snoogans]

22 consecutive playoff appearances,there can be no argument the detroit red wings are the greatest modern day dynasty

im sure you could find plenty of other teams that managed to finish in the top half of the league for that long in a row, they just dont always make the playoffs cause half of hockey and NBA get in

[spoon]

not to mention their NHL record until 97 for a Cup drought

fuck the ginger wings in their face, they ARE NOT the top/best franchise

you can't compare playoff systems like the NHL, NFL and MLB with a straight face

they are 7th best in the West this year, BARELY and mid pack fully of the NHL

yah, that screams best

[spoon]

how many cuts did guys like Tiger and Nicklaus make at their best?!

are they the best franchises or is it a different league...much less a lower level one

[Snoogans]

how many cuts did guys like Tiger and Nicklaus make at their best?!

are they the best franchises or is it a different league...much less a lower level one

and those guys compete against hundreds of other guys. Not 30. Besides, best franchise means more than just limping into the playoffs every year. It has to do with ownership, management, how well the org gets run to keep itself in position to be able to be right there every few years. Its not just some BS

[hanso]

Washington generals or who the heat face next

[Kevin]

Are we talking worldwide or just domestic. I saw the cowboys here,which is laughable. They are awful.

I don't think there is a better run top to bottom franchise in the states than the Giants.

Pack,Steelers,pats are great too. Though I have to drop the pats down because of spy gate and all around being overrated.starting with the coach.

[newport king]

As much as i dislike them why is there a discussion? Yankees. Or are we not counting them?

[spoon]

As much as i dislike them why is there a discussion? Yankees. Or are we not counting them?

i think they take a hit bc it's not even close to an even playing field and let's be honest, they don't win all that often for being so highly paid and out there versus the field overall

I have to agree with Kev on Pitt and NYG in the NFL. Just great run orgs in a league SOOO hard to win and all under the same rules/no advantages overall. Both over time surely top notch, GB too, but not quite as high. I also love St. Louis doing what they do in MLB, high paid, but never yankee type and always a force and great org...even with their skipper passing out drunk at traffic lights.

[newport king]

StL is the best in the NL. Dodgers would be a close 2nd. And you cant discount the Yankees because of an unfair advantage. Every other team plays under the same rules. And they dont win that often? Have you ever gotten into a discussion with a yankee fan where they HAVENT brought up how many championships theyve won?

[Chigworthy]

This thread should be renamed "Gayest Sports Franchise" so everybody can win.

[Earlshog]

This thread should be renamed "Gayest Sports Franchise" so everybody can win.

The Wizzards

[spoon]

too soon

[brettmojo]

i think they take a hit bc it's not even close to an even playing field....

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4833/cerseieyeroll1.gif

[spoon]

cute gif

point stands

let's put the cap in place and see just how often they even win the East, much less the AL or WS

to say it's not a HUGE advantage to just getting the playoff ticket punched is hilarious

having a cap this season would have meant no Overbay, Wells and Youk fill ins late to plug yet more holes. no other team can spend money on top of money at all levels of the org...some are surely catching up and doing it for short stints, but usually come back down quick. LA may be the first team to push this in the same way, but we'll see as it's year 1-2 of their foray into it all. They have no place in this conversation to me, just as Montreal in the NHL doesn't even though claiming all their old titles (like the yanks) when the league had 4 and 6 teams in it, much less most of the other teams no longer in existence.

Yankees were never a dynasty, more a monopoly.

It's fact...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/705d789f5adef98c0bee35e68f86e653/tumblr_mlnj4mh7sv1r3u87lo1_500.gif

[brettmojo]

cute gif

point stands

let's put the cap in place and see just how often they even win the East, much less the AL or WS

to say it's not a HUGE advantage to just getting the playoff ticket punched is hilarious

having a cap this season would have meant no Overbay, Wells and Youk fill ins late to plug yet more holes. no other team can spend money on top of money at all levels of the org...some are surely catching up and doing it for short stints, but usually come back down quick. LA may be the first team to push this in the same way, but we'll see as it's year 1-2 of their foray into it all. They have no place in this conversation to me, just as Montreal in the NHL doesn't even though claiming all their old titles (like the yanks) when the league had 4 and 6 teams in it, much less most of the other teams no longer in existence.

Yankees were never a dynasty, more a monopoly.

It's fact...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/705d789f5adef98c0bee35e68f86e653/tumblr_mlnj4mh7sv1r3u87lo1_500.gif

What point? You point is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Not much of a point.

There are plenty of arguments against the Yankees being the best run franchise, but WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH isn't one of them.

[spoon]

clearly you can't read

monopoly

[hanso]

NBA coach George Karl winning record for the last 21 seasons and last year coach of year

However 2001–02 season was .500