Brady or Manning??!?!?!

[Barnaby Jones]

OK, you get to create your own football team! You can pick either rookie Peyton Manning or rookie Tom Brady to be your QB!!!! Who is it going to be?!??!?!?

[Dan 'Hampton]

Brady, you're one year from a ring.

[HBox]

AKILI SMITH!

Oh! I'm bad at this game!

[Sinestro]

The COLTS were shit before Manning came. Although I rooted for Jack Tradeau when he was QB. Jeff George not so much.

[Snacks]

The COLTS were shit before Manning came. Although I rooted for Jack Tradeau when he was QB. Jeff George not so much.

and Drew Bledsoe brought NE to the super bowl just a few years sooner and was one of the better QBs of the 90's.

[underdog]

and Drew Bledsoe brought NE to the super bowl just a few years sooner and was one of the better QBs of the 90's.

Drew Bledsoe was one of the worst "best" QBs of all time. And they got BLOWN out in that SB.

[underdog]

Drew Bledsoe was one of the worst "best" QBs of all time. And they got BLOWN out in that SB.

Also, the Patriots were 5-11 the year before Brady took over.

[sailor]

Also, the Patriots were 5-11 the year before Brady took over.

I'd pick manning, but I love that the football guru belichick has a sub-.500 record in his career excluding games started by Brady. I'm pretty sure it's way below .500

[underdog]

I'd pick manning, but I love that the football guru belichick has a sub-.500 record in his career excluding games started by Brady. I'm pretty sure it's way below .500

Belichick hated Bledsoe as a QB and wanted to do anything to get rid of him, but Kraft wouldn't let him pull the plug on Bledsoe. The injury to Bledsoe was really the best thing to ever happen to Belichick.

[Snoogans]

Chimee, Dan 'Hampton, Jayw, Mitch&Murray, PapaBear, spoon, TripleSkeet, underdog


MORONS

Especially you pats fans. You surprise me. This says you are starting a team. No where does it say that Bill Belichek is your coach. Do you guys really fuckin think brady is as good as manning for a career? REALLY? Manning basically was his coach. Brady is a great QB, im not taking anything away. But he won as much as he did because belicheck set that shit up on a fuckin TEE.

Manning carried his teams a hell of alot more than Brady. Again, YOU are starting the team. Not the best coach ever.

[Snoogans]

I'd pick manning, but I love that the football guru belichick has a sub-.500 record in his career excluding games started by Brady. I'm pretty sure it's way below .500

yea on the browns and with drew bledsoe. How bout what Belichek did for the Giants when he was there. Trust me, the coach is better than the QB

[spoon]

Chimee, Dan 'Hampton, Jayw, Mitch&Murray, PapaBear, spoon, TripleSkeet, underdog


MORONS

Especially you pats fans. You surprise me. This says you are starting a team. No where does it say that Bill Belichek is your coach. Do you guys really fuckin think brady is as good as manning for a career? REALLY? Manning basically was his coach. Brady is a great QB, im not taking anything away. But he won as much as he did because belicheck set that shit up on a fuckin TEE.

Manning carried his teams a hell of alot more than Brady. Again, YOU are starting the team. Not the best coach ever.

And you can fuck yourself and remember how GREAT Manning is in big moments, big games throughout his career including college at Tennessee in bowl games and against huge rival Florida. Perhaps he shouldn't try to be the coach as you say and focus on his main job bc he folds under pressure A LOT. I'm not saying either side is right either, it's opinion as TS says. However, calling everyone a moron bc you THINK you know better. Shut the fuck up and learn how to debate a topic without being a fucking douche. You don't surprise me.

[Snoogans]

And you can fuck yourself and remember how GREAT Manning is in big moments, big games throughout his career including college at Tennessee in bowl games and against huge rival Florida. Perhaps he shouldn't try to be the coach as you say and focus on his main job bc he folds under pressure A LOT. I'm not saying either side is right either, it's opinion as TS says. However, calling everyone a moron bc you THINK you know better. Shut the fuck up and learn how to debate a topic without being a fucking douche. You don't surprise me.

thats hilarious. yea this wasnt nearly as big of a douche post as me callin everyone morons in all caps as if im tryin to actually be insulting. Good point.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Both qb's are pretty much their own OC's this season, how's that going peyton?

[sailor]

Both qb's are pretty much their own OC's this season, how's that going peyton?

Hasn't Peyton done that for years?

[disneyspy]

brady's chick is much hotter

[TripleSkeet]

Chimee, Dan 'Hampton, Jayw, Mitch&Murray, PapaBear, spoon, TripleSkeet, underdog


MORONS

Especially you pats fans. You surprise me. This says you are starting a team. No where does it say that Bill Belichek is your coach. Do you guys really fuckin think brady is as good as manning for a career? REALLY? Manning basically was his coach. Brady is a great QB, im not taking anything away. But he won as much as he did because belicheck set that shit up on a fuckin TEE.

Manning carried his teams a hell of alot more than Brady. Again, YOU are starting the team. Not the best coach ever.

If thats the case why was New England such shit while Bellichick was coaching BEFORE Brady started?

I just dont get how Manning gets all the credit for everything his team has done and Brady gets none of the credit for his. You cant have it both ways.

[Snoogans]

If thats the case why was New England such shit while Bellichick was coaching BEFORE Brady started?

I just dont get how Manning gets all the credit for everything his team has done and Brady gets none of the credit for his. You cant have it both ways.

i even specificially stated that brady was really good. I wasnt giving him no credit, but I think his coaches and his defense helped him more than Mannings did. I also think the style of play that Pats ran for so long before they got moss helped too. All those short passes completed to act like runs ended up making stats for Brady look better than if they had run a much more balanced attack.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Brady has the better resume....

Manning is the Better QB (General).....

like Manning better, but gotta go with Brady


at the end.. Rings will talk.... Marino would be a god if he won 2 or 3 Superbowl rings

[TripleSkeet]

i even specificially stated that brady was really good. I wasnt giving him no credit, but I think his coaches and his defense helped him more than Mannings did. I also think the style of play that Pats ran for so long before they got moss helped too. All those short passes completed to act like runs ended up making stats for Brady look better than if they had run a much more balanced attack.

Precision passing can be just as deadly if not more then a cannon arm. Montanas entire career was precision passing. When you can hit a receiver in stride on a slant that goes another 40 yards for a TD the QB is just as responsible as the receiver. So many QBs cant do that. Watch any NFL game and watch how many crossing patterns the receiver has to stop or reach behind him to make the catch instead of not breaking stride.

Its something that Elway developed further into his career instead of just trying to air it out and have his receivers outrun the defense. Its the whole basis for the West Coast offense actually. And right now Bradys as good or better then anyone in the league at it.

Personally Id rather have a better precision passer then someone with a stronger arm, but thats just my opinion.

[Snoogans]

Precision passing can be just as deadly if not more then a cannon arm. Montanas entire career was precision passing. When you can hit a receiver in stride on a slant that goes another 40 yards for a TD the QB is just as responsible as the receiver. So many QBs cant do that. Watch any NFL game and watch how many crossing patterns the receiver has to stop or reach behind him to make the catch instead of not breaking stride.

Its something that Elway developed further into his career instead of just trying to air it out and have his receivers outrun the defense. Its the whole basis for the West Coast offense actually. And right now Bradys as good or better then anyone in the league at it.

Personally Id rather have a better precision passer then someone with a stronger arm, but thats just my opinion.
you arent gonna get a fight from me bro. Phil Simms. Enough said

but as you said, thats right now. The question was rookie manning or rookie brady, not todays manning vs todays brady.

If we are goin by right now, clearly I would choose tom brady.

the debate can go deeper too cause again, its us starting a team. I wouldnt run a west coast offense if I started a team, the type id run would be better with Manning.

[DOHO@HOME]

Tom Brady all the way not even a challenge with any QB in the NFL today.
Plus one sweet chick.
What a ass kickin last night vs. the Jets.

[Snoogans]

Tom Brady all the way not even a challenge with any QB in the NFL today.
Plus one sweet chick.
What a ass kickin last night vs. the Jets.

its rookie manning and rookie brady. its not today.

[epo]

Brady has the better resume....

Manning is the Better QB (General).....

like Manning better, but gotta go with Brady


at the end.. Rings will talk.... Marino would be a god if he won 2 or 3 Superbowl rings

F Marino. He should've put the laces out.

[Barnaby Jones]

its rookie manning and rookie brady. its not today.

Seems like most of the people voting didn't get that!!!

[disneyspy]

Seems like most of the people voting didn't get that!!!

well thats just stupid,we get to use the perpective of time,idots!!!!

[Snoogans]

well thats just stupid,we get to use the perpective of time,idots!!!!

yea people seem to be using this point in time though. not what has happened over time. shit, triple skeet actually made a post that implies that peyton manning was a big armed inaccurate QB, which is just insane

[Barnaby Jones]

I never said there wasn't hindsight!!! The key is that they both be coming in as rookie starters at the same time, not the 3 year difference that we have now!!! The rest of the team is a crap shoot...you could easily end up with garbage. The only sure thing is picking one of those two, AS ROOKIES, to be your QB.

[Snoogans]

I never said there wasn't hindsight!!! The key is that they both be coming in as rookie starters at the same time, not the 3 year difference that we have now!!! The rest of the team is a crap shoot...you could easily end up with garbage. The only sure thing is picking one of those two, AS ROOKIES, to be your QB.

and lets remember brady didnt start when he was a rookie, he got to learn a bit before bledsoe got hurt. He would not have had the immediate impact as a rookie that he had in real life

[disneyspy]

if i was to choose between a #1 pick and a 6th round pick,i'd go #1 but seeing how brady has turned out its a tough choice but i still think brady has that something extra that i'd want as my QB

[disneyspy]

and of the 3 michigan QBs at the time i'd deffinately go with scott dreisback who was better than greise or brady

[Snoogans]

if i was to choose between a #1 pick and a 6th round pick,i'd go #1 but seeing how brady has turned out its a tough choice but i still think brady has that something extra that i'd want as my QB

choosing between the spots they were picked kinda goes too much the other way. but i get your point and thats fine. Thats the one thing that might lean me to brady. But id rather go with the guy I know can do everything and run my team and just focus on making the team around him better as opposed to the guy who can probably do it himself but we dont know for sure cause he was also in a better system with better parts (by better parts i mean the team as a whole. Im not stupid, i dont think Brady had as much around him in terms of WRs and TEs and shit, even once moss got there it was still even at most)

[Barnaby Jones]

disneyspy is fucking this up!!! You can pick either knowing what they will be capable of!!! That's the point!!!

[disneyspy]

disneyspy is fucking this up!!! You can pick either knowing what they will be capable of!!! That's the point!!!

then #1 OBVIOUSLY!!!! but its a stupid point!!!!! and i already said i'd pick dreisback over brady by watching them at michigan

[Snoogans]

then #1 OBVIOUSLY!!!! but its a stupid point!!!!! and i already said i'd pick dreisback over brady by watching them at michigan

you completely dont understand

[disneyspy]

i understand that if i had a time machine and could draft either manning or brady assuming they were both graduating the same year, i would draft brady

[Snoogans]

i understand that if i had a time machine and could draft either manning or brady assuming they were both graduating the same year, i would draft brady

no, if you went back and did that you would be fired.

its which one would you take based on what they did their ENTIRE career. Not just this year basically. Not who you would take for 1 game, but for the future KNOWING what they did

[midwestjeff]

Why is there no Jim McMahon option?

This poll blows.

[TripleSkeet]

its rookie manning and rookie brady. its not today.

Well I was under the impression the reason it said rookie Manning and Brady was that it was basically that you were getting a full career from both men with them developing into the same QBs they are now.

I would be the first to say as a rookie Peyton Manning was much more ready for the NFL. I just think overall career wise Tom Brady has surpassed him.

I mean, if you said rookie Manning against rookie Favre, you would have one guy that was a backup in Atlanta doing nothing, rather then the guy that went on to have a huge career with the Pack. Maybe Im not getting the question.

[TripleSkeet]

yea people seem to be using this point in time though. not what has happened over time. shit, triple skeet actually made a post that implies that peyton manning was a big armed inaccurate QB, which is just insane

Thats not what I said. I said Tom Bradys game is more one of timed precision passing rather then going deep. Yes I agreee that Manning is a very accurate passer but alot of his career was also based on deep passes to Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. You yourself said they dont run a west coast offense, which is the type of offense Brady is perfect for. short to mid range precision passes that hit the receiver in stride and turn into big plays.

[TripleSkeet]

no, if you went back and did that you would be fired.

its which one would you take based on what they did their ENTIRE career. Not just this year basically. Not who you would take for 1 game, but for the future KNOWING what they did

And yes based on their entire career I take Brady. I dont remember just this year even being mentioned. Thats my point. In his career Brady won 2 more rings with alot less talent on offense, thats why hes my QB.

As far as this year goes hes dominating the league with a bunch of no name receivers.

[Sinestro]

Todd Marinovich. He was groomed to be the next best QB.

[Barnaby Jones]

You're not picking them getting what we know they've done as a lock!!! Yes, you somehow know what they CAN do...but that's no guarantee that's what they WILL do!!! And you could easily end up with a pretty shitty team outside of them!!! It doesn't mean it's a lock you get this number of Super Bowl; Wins or that number or ANY...who do you think can make the most out of the team around them and be the best leader?!?!?

Look at it this way: you've can pick either one as a rookie and you get them for the next 10 years!!!

[Barnaby Jones]

Man,. the Brady fans are going to be weeping when he has a year like Peyton is having in about 2-3 seasons!!!

[spoon]

Man,. the Brady fans are going to be weeping when he has a year like Peyton is having in about 2-3 seasons!!!

Will we? I could give two fucks and actually hope it happens. It's funny how loud some people will get in a CLEARLY idiotic question to begin with. So just for the record, what are the actual parameters again all different based on who is assessing the simple question? Some of you are making an OPINION question about two great qbs the most idiotic fight I've ever seen. I didn't make my pick based on BJ's logarithmic breakdown, perhaps I'll reevaluate my selection based on overall body of work, results in big games, ability to manage a game versus micromanage it to death and so much more. It's your opinion and those who said Manning are wrong.

[spoon]

:lol:

[TripleSkeet]

You're not picking them getting what we know they've done as a lock!!! Yes, you somehow know what they CAN do...but that's no guarantee that's what they WILL do!!! And you could easily end up with a pretty shitty team outside of them!!! It doesn't mean it's a lock you get this number of Super Bowl; Wins or that number or ANY...who do you think can make the most out of the team around them and be the best leader?!?!?

Look at it this way: you've can pick either one as a rookie and you get them for the next 10 years!!!

Heres the criteria Im voting on. I get both as rookies, and as their career goes on, they develop the same talents and abilities they have now. Including strength, accuracy, ability to read defenses, poise and leadership. Im not talking about wins or stats or titles. Just abilities. They will develop the same abilities they did through their career. I still take Brady.

[Barnaby Jones]

Heres the criteria Im voting on. I get both as rookies, and as their career goes on, they develop the same talents and abilities they have now. Including strength, accuracy, ability to read defenses, poise and leadership. Im not talking about wins or stats or titles. Just abilities. They will develop the same abilities they did through their career. I still take Brady.

Fair enough! As you're looking at it the right way!!!

[cougarjake13]

toms done more with less so im going with him

[Snoogans]

toms done more with less so im going with him

has he had less? He might not have had the WRs but you could argue he had a better team in pretty much every other catagory

[underdog]

has he had less? He might not have had the WRs but you could argue he had a better team in pretty much every other catagory

Manning has had a great offensive line, the last few years. The RBs that the Colts had were probably great, if he didn't Marino them. They've had some of the best defensive players on their teams and supposedly a great defensive coach.

[Snacks]

has he had less? He might not have had the WRs but you could argue he had a better team in pretty much every other catagory

exactly. I really cant understand how people can say Indy has has better teams then NE? Maybe wrs but then again each teams wrs were set up and brought in for their types of offenses. Ever think Manning made these wrs into studs? Manning has never had the defenses Brady has had. Now this year Brady seems to have a terrible defense and is doing it like Manning usual has to. But that NE def seems to be getting better as the season goes along!

[Snacks]

Manning has had a great offensive line, the last few years. The RBs that the Colts had were probably great, if he didn't Marino them. They've had some of the best defensive players on their teams and supposedly a great defensive coach.

Did Brady Marino them when they scored 5000 points in 2007? He did, the scored in a minute or 2 every time they had the ball. The difference was Brady had a great defense one Manning nor Marino ever had! The selective memory here is amazing. Marino had no defense thats why he had to score often. I have never seen a team like NE score at will and then their defense be as dominate as they were. Thats because they had a nasty fucking def something some players never have!

[Snoogans]

Manning has had a great offensive line, the last few years. The RBs that the Colts had were probably great, if he didn't Marino them. They've had some of the best defensive players on their teams and supposedly a great defensive coach.

i think them gettin hurt all the time made them not reach greatness more than manning.

And im not going player for player, but i think the pats overall have had much better D and Special teams and a better offensive line overall through the careers.

The colts have a great pass rush but for the most part their LBs and secondary were pretty awful and the few guys who were good got hurt all the time bob sanders

[TripleSkeet]

has he had less? He might not have had the WRs but you could argue he had a better team in pretty much every other catagory

Except for tight end and running back too. New England had a better defense, offensively Indy was better at every position....except QB apparently. LOL

[TripleSkeet]

exactly. I really cant understand how people can say Indy has has better teams then NE? Maybe wrs but then again each teams wrs were set up and brought in for their types of offenses. Ever think Manning made these wrs into studs? Manning has never had the defenses Brady has had. Now this year Brady seems to have a terrible defense and is doing it like Manning usual has to. But that NE def seems to be getting better as the season goes along!

You could say that about Brandon Stokley, but Marvin Harrison wouldve been a stud no matter where he wound up playing.

[underdog]

Did Brady Marino them when they scored 5000 points in 2007? He did, the scored in a minute or 2 every time they had the ball. The difference was Brady had a great defense one Manning nor Marino ever had! The selective memory here is amazing. Marino had no defense thats why he had to score often. I have never seen a team like NE score at will and then their defense be as dominate as they were. Thats because they had a nasty fucking def something some players never have!

You keep saying that Manning was never running up the score and it's retarded. Scores from 2004 :

49-14, 41-10, 41-9, 51-24

i think them gettin hurt all the time made them not reach greatness more than manning.

And im not going player for player, but i think the pats overall have had much better D and Special teams and a better offensive line overall through the careers.

The colts have a great pass rush but for the most part their LBs and secondary were pretty awful and the few guys who were good got hurt all the time bob sanders

Pats had a better D because their coach was better and because they didn't have a QB throwing the deep pass every play, immediately putting their defense back on the field. Manning played like a Madden game for a lot of his career, just scoring way too fucking fast. His defense had no chance, half the time.

Also, the Colts had Gary Brackett, Raheem Brock, Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Cato June and Bob Sanders. They had a chance to be a great defense, they just never were.

Hell, they gave up like the most rushing yards EVER and won the superbowl. So maybe Manning is better.

[underdog]

You could say that about Brandon Stokley, but Marvin Harrison wouldve been a stud no matter where he wound up playing.

And Reggie Wayne is amazing.

[Snoogans]

Except for tight end and running back too. New England had a better defense, offensively Indy was better at every position....except QB apparently. LOL

indy didnt have a better overall offensive line, i wont accept that. And special teams, NE was far superior, and tons of those colts pats games came down to that. You cant just say NE was way better cause they won 3 to 1. they all went through each other every year, all that shit was real close, and coulda been real different if they didnt let the pats defense rape marcus pollard and marvin harrison all over the field that one year

[Snoogans]

You keep saying that Manning was never running up the score and it's retarded. Scores from 2004 :

49-14, 41-10, 41-9, 51-24



Pats had a better D because their coach was better and because they didn't have a QB throwing the deep pass every play, immediately putting their defense back on the field. Manning played like a Madden game for a lot of his career, just scoring way too fucking fast. His defense had no chance, half the time.

Also, the Colts had Gary Brackett, Raheem Brock, Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Cato June and Bob Sanders. They had a chance to be a great defense, they just never were.

Hell, they gave up like the most rushing yards EVER and won the superbowl. So maybe Manning is better.

but thats part of this. the coaching. We are talkin you are taking just manning or brady, not the sytems they played in. You are the GM of this hypothetical team, that shit is up to you.

as for the players you mentioned. most of them are pass rushers, gary brackett wasnt even that good til a couple years ago, bob sanders NEVER played and cato june was a fuckin bum. Again, chances to be great or not, thats on coaches, and thats out of mannings hands. you cant count that shit against him.

and you should know the pats stole one of those games by mugging receivers all day

[underdog]

and you should know the pats stole one of those games by mugging receivers all day

Yeah, it was awesome. The NFL changed the rules because of it.

They were finesse players and when the Pats fucked them up, they couldn't do shit. They did the same shit to the Rams in the SB.

[Sinestro]

Rodney Peete or Troy Aikman? Who would you pick it you were starting a team? Didn't Peete have the better collogiate career over Aikman? I not sure but I recall ESPN used to say that Peete's USC teams beat Aikman's team in college (UCLA? too lazy to look it up). Given the right circumstances, Rodney Peete would been a superstar.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, it was awesome. The NFL changed the rules because of it.

They were finesse players and when the Pats fucked them up, they couldn't do shit. They did the same shit to the Rams in the SB.

im not sayin it wasnt awesome. But people act like the Pats dominated the colts until the colts finally got that one. they were all tough games. its not like these differences we are arguing were big either way.

Im just tryin to take away all that and strip it to just the player

[Snoogans]

Rodney Peete or Troy Aikman? Who would you pick it you were starting a team? Didn't Peete have the better collogiate career over Aikman? I not sure but I recall ESPN used to say that Peete's USC teams beat Aikman's team in college (UCLA? too lazy to look it up). Given the right circumstances, Rodney Peete would been a superstar.

ok, dont bother to read anything. We are going off what they did in their NFL career, not what you woulda done at the time of the actual draft

[Sinestro]

Wasn't Manning's nack was he never won the big one in college or the NFL......till after he won the superbowl. Then they never brought that up and his greatness was justified cuz he finally broke through the barrier.

I have friends that are big Michigan fans and they NEVER expected Brady to be the QB he is now. They always asks where was THAT guy when he was at Michigan.

[Philly Franko]

Brady has the better resume....

Manning is the Better QB (General).....

like Manning better, but gotta go with Brady


at the end.. Rings will talk.... Marino would be a god if he won 2 or 3 Superbowl rings

I agree, gotta go Brady

[Sinestro]

We're not talking about rings!!! It's either rookie Brady or rookie Manning. What is it you all don't get???

[Snoogans]

We're not talking about rings!!! It's either rookie Brady or rookie Manning. What is it you all don't get???

no stupid, its not. Its career of manning vs career of brady, but just the guy. Not the system not the coaches, just the guy, what he did through his NFL career. Not how you saw them as a rookie cause no one knew who tom brady was

[Sinestro]

OK, you get to create your own football team! You can pick either rookie Peyton Manning or rookie Tom Brady to be your QB!!!! Who is it going to be?!??!?!?

Ok then I pick Ryan Leaf and Chad Pennington.

[underdog]

im not sayin it wasnt awesome. But people act like the Pats dominated the colts until the colts finally got that one. they were all tough games. its not like these differences we are arguing were big either way.

Im just tryin to take away all that and strip it to just the player

The Pats def didn't dominate the Colts. They won all the time, but the games were always close.

And the comeback that Manning produced against the Pats in the AFC championship might be one of the greatest comebacks ever.

[Snoogans]

The Pats def didn't dominate the Colts. They won all the time, but the games were always close.

And the comeback that Manning produced against the Pats in the AFC championship might be one of the greatest comebacks ever.

Thats why I think, over the course of everything, Manning the QB, was better than Brady, the QB. And the D, Line, Special teams and coaching is what put NE over the top of the colts, not the QBs. And some help from the Refs

[TripleSkeet]

Thats why I think, over the course of everything, Manning the QB, was better than Brady, the QB. And the D, Line, Special teams and coaching is what put NE over the top of the colts, not the QBs. And some help from the Refs

So Peyton Manning never got help from the refs? Really??? He STILL is. That game against the Eagles a few weeks back the referees shouldve been wearing Colts numbers on their back for Christs sake.

[spoon]

So Peyton Manning never got help from the refs? Really??? He STILL is. That game against the Eagles a few weeks back the referees shouldve been wearing Colts numbers on their back for Christs sake.

thank you

it was fucking PAINFUL to take all the bs interference calls and more when SD played Indy in the playoffs and somehow they usually beat bitch manning anyway

[sailor]

thank you

it was fucking PAINFUL to take all the bs interference calls and more when SD played Indy in the playoffs and somehow they usually beat bitch manning anyway

that's great coaching there.

[TripleSkeet]

that's great coaching there.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol:

[Snoogans]

So Peyton Manning never got help from the refs? Really??? He STILL is. That game against the Eagles a few weeks back the referees shouldve been wearing Colts numbers on their back for Christs sake.

when did I say that? I was straight comparing the Pats and Colts games they played vs each other. It had nothing to do with games or refs overall, it was just to compare the 2 teams the QBs played on. Way to actually read the point though. All it was was to show that NE didnt dominate the games with the Colts. I never said anything about anything else

[spoon]

that's great coaching there.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol:

Ha! If you watched any piece of those games (2007 in particular) you'd realize it had less to do with coaching but more to do with Manning throwing two huge pics and some bad passes on 4th. It was nice to give the Colts a fitting end to the RCA dome. Volek played way over his head that game to finish them as well when Rivers and Tomlinson went down with injuries.

In 2008 it really became a one person show as Sproles had the game of his life and the Colts took some huge penalties.

Also it really comes down to matchups/having a team's number with the Colts for SD. I believe they have won 3 straight against them in the playoffs (going back before Turner) and 5 of the last 6 against them in the reg season. The last loss coming back in SD in Novermber of 2008, you know, the fucking game I WAS AT!