Best wrestler in the past 10 years

[asayresk]

I would vote Kurt Angle. Had a go run in the first 5 years of the of the decade with the wwe. went to TNA and contiued to be a major star.

[Kevin]

Major Star?

He has not been heard since he went to TNA...


What is your criteria that you go by?

[NickyL0885]

Shawn Michaels. lock it up!

[Kevin]

I'd put Edge Jericho even Cena there before Angle..

TNA might have been better for his life and health, but it was terrible for his career.

[StanUpshaw]

Rob
Van
Dam

[asayresk]

I would say Kurt Angle had more international exposure since leaving WWE. You cant deny his wrestling skill. If Kurt Angle were to return to wwe today it would create a major buzz in the biz. Plus Angle has Achieved more in wrestling in the past ten years then guys like Edge and Orton. Jericho had his hiatus from wrestling and HBK in my opinion was done after wrestlemania 14.

[asayresk]

John Cena would probably be the popular choice.

[Kevin]

I would say Kurt Angle had more international exposure since leaving WWE. You cant deny his wrestling skill. If Kurt Angle were to return to wwe today it would create a major buzz in the biz.



I highly doubt he had more international exposure..

And yea he would.. Because of his WWE days, not TNA...

[Kevin]

John Cena would probably be the popular choice.



If you are talking pure ability, then yea its Angle hands down..

But if you are going by exposure and success, he just does not qualify..

[StanUpshaw]

In all seriousness, the real answer is Brock Lesnar.

[conman823]

The most skilled wrestler in the last 10 years is Kurt Angle. His matches with Styles, Wolfe, and he even carried Jarrett to what was probably his career best matches. If there was anyone today who could have a classic match with the proverbial broomstick its Angle.

That said as far as business ( putting asses in the seats, merch money etc) I begrudgedly give it too John Cena.

[TripleSkeet]

Kurt Angle. The last 10 years has been basically his whole pro career. He did more in his few years with the WWE then most wrestlers do in a lifetime. And even though its not the WWE, TNA is a legitimate bigtime wrestling company now, and hes done very well there as well.

In my opinion, from top to bottom hes one of if not THE greatest professional wrestler of all time. I cant think of too many others that had the look, charisma, mic skills, in ring ability, pedigree, gimmick, ability to work face and heel, and legitimate toughness (Olympic gold medal) that he has had.

[asayresk]

The most skilled wrestler in the last 10 years is Kurt Angle. His matches with Styles, Wolfe, and he even carried Jarrett to what was probably his career best matches. If there was anyone today who could have a classic match with the proverbial broomstick its Angle.

That said as far as business ( putting asses in the seats, merch money etc) I begrudgedly give it too John Cena.

You begrudgedly give it to John Cena. I couldnt give it to Cena even though he is popular. I feel his wrestling personality is not true to heart thats why there is a large segment of fans that mock him. kurt Angle on the other hands has that respect. Plus Angle brings the best out of his opponents something Cena cant do.

[hit11man]

ANGLE for sure! (skill of course)
rvd has looked great since returning though

[CYYYFYYY]

Cena has Dominated the WWE the last 10 years. That makes you the best.

[TripleSkeet]

Cena has Dominated the WWE the last 10 years. That makes you the best.

Not even close.

- Very limited in ring ability
- Not great at making his opponents look good
- As a face he gets regularly booed by half the audience
- His mic abilities have gone completely downhill since he stopped rapping
- His gimmick since leaving his rap persona have been complete horseshit. (A marine??? never give up??)

Hes the perfect example of how the best gimmicks are the ones that stay true to your personality, and how when you get away from that you come across as phony.

Not to mention he didnt even come into the WWE til halfway through 2002 and was a nobody for awhile before getting the rapper gimmick. Although I find it funny him being mentioned when Kurt Angle made him in his very first match on tv.

[Kevin]

Not even close.

- Very limited in ring ability
- Not great at making his opponents look good
- As a face he gets regularly booed by half the audience
- His mic abilities have gone completely downhill since he stopped rapping
- His gimmick since leaving his rap persona have been complete horseshit. (A marine??? never give up??)

Hes the perfect example of how the best gimmicks are the ones that stay true to your personality, and how when you get away from that you come across as phony.

Not to mention he didnt even come into the WWE til halfway through 2002 and was a nobody for awhile before getting the rapper gimmick. Although I find it funny him being mentioned when Kurt Angle made him in his very first match on tv.



Kurt is the perfect example of a great player on a bad or small market team..

Kinda like Kevin Durant..

No one has more talent that either or put up better stats, but no one knows or really pays attention because of the team or org they are on..

Adrian Gonzalez of SD is another example.

Again I'm not sure what the criteria is here..

If its pure ability, Its Kurt hands down..

If its impact on his buisness or sport.. Its Cena.

I understand he is being boo'd and cheered 50/50 but at least people get passionate enough about what he does to bring out such massive responses.

[TripleSkeet]

Kurt is the perfect example of a great player on a bad or small market team..

Kinda like Kevin Durant..

No one has more talent that either or put up better stats, but no one knows or really pays attention because of the team or org they are on..

Adrian Gonzalez of SD is another example.

Again I'm not sure what the criteria is here..

If its pure ability, Its Kurt hands down..

If its impact on his buisness or sport.. Its Cena.

I understand he is being boo'd and cheered 50/50 but at least people get passionate enough about what he does to bring out such massive responses.

Hes got too many deficiencies to be considered the best wrestler of the last 10 years. I wouldnt even include him in the conversation. If anyone is competition its guys like HHH, HBK, Jericho or AJ Styles.

Cena doesnt do well at making other wrestlers look good. And if you ask any professional wrestler, they will tell you that is the most important job of a wrestler and the trait that will always keep you employed.

Angle has had matches that made a green Cena in his first match, and even a long forgotten Marty Janetty look unbelievable. And thats not even counting the guys he made in TNA.

[Kevin]

Hes got too many deficiencies to be considered the best wrestler of the last 10 years. I wouldnt even include him in the conversation. If anyone is competition its guys like HHH, HBK, Jericho or AJ Styles.

Cena doesnt do well at making other wrestlers look good. And if you ask any professional wrestler, they will tell you that is the most important job of a wrestler and the trait that will always keep you employed.

Angle has had matches that made a green Cena in his first match, and even a long forgotten Marty Janetty look unbelievable. And thats not even counting the guys he made in TNA.


You could have said the exact same thing about Hogan..

If Hogan started out in this era and had the same every week live, many more PPVs..

Then ne would have gotten boo'd and hated just like Cena..

Both limited ring ability, never lost, and same generic fake shit every week.

[TripleSkeet]

You could have said the exact same thing about Hogan..

If Hogan started out in this era and had the same every week live, many more PPVs..

Then ne would have gotten boo'd and hated just like Cena..

Both limited ring ability, never lost, and same generic fake shit every week.

I would never put Hogan down as the best wrestler of the 80s either. Maybe Im looking at the question wrong, but when he says "best" im looking at all around. Not most popular. As good as Hogan was at making people love him in the 80s, Ric Flair was that good at getting people to hate him. Plus he was 10 times better in the ring. Both were great mic workers and decent tough guys in their own right, but the ability to actually wrestle puts Flair over Hogan as the best.

If youre talking about who sold the most merchandise of the last 10 years? Id give it to Cena. Or whose popularity has grown the most, Cena again. But BEST all around? No, he doesnt even belong in the conversation.

When you say the BEST....this is how I judge...

- In ring ability
- Able to make your opponent look good
- Mic skills
- Gimmick
- Legitimate toughness
- Look
- Accomplishments

Merchandise sales and shit like that doesnt matter to me. As thats more the company then the actual wrestler. Examples of great wrestlers that have regularly gotten screwed by not having much merchandise made for them is Chris Jericho and Ric Flair. While people like the Hardy Boys, The Undertaker and Rey Mysterio regularly have everything from keychains to dildos churned out with their names on it.

[Kevin]

I would never put Hogan down as the best wrestler of the 80s either. Maybe Im looking at the question wrong, but when he says "best" im looking at all around. Not most popular. As good as Hogan was at making people love him in the 80s, Ric Flair was that good at getting people to hate him. Plus he was 10 times better in the ring. Both were great mic workers and decent tough guys in their own right, but the ability to actually wrestle puts Flair over Hogan as the best.

If youre talking about who sold the most merchandise of the last 10 years? Id give it to Cena. Or whose popularity has grown the most, Cena again. But BEST all around? No, he doesnt even belong in the conversation.

When you say the BEST....this is how I judge...

- In ring ability
- Able to make your opponent look good
- Mic skills
- Gimmick
- Legitimate toughness
- Look
- Accomplishments

Merchandise sales and shit like that doesnt matter to me. As thats more the company then the actual wrestler. Examples of great wrestlers that have regularly gotten screwed by not having much merchandise made for them is Chris Jericho and Ric Flair. While people like the Hardy Boys, The Undertaker and Rey Mysterio regularly have everything from keychains to dildos churned out with their names on it.



If you are going by that, then yea, its Angle hands down.

[Fallon]

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[Kevin]

We get it Fallon..

We know how much you love Cena.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

i like how cena claims to never have done roids. he is half his fucking size in that video then he is now god i hope he breaks his neck again.

[TripleSkeet]

We get it Fallon..

We know how much you love Cena.

If anything I think Angle came out looking even better in that clip.

[RingWraith]

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I miss the heel rapper Cena and Kurt Angle in the WWE. :down:

[KidNothing]

What about the indy guys? Why no love for Bryan Danielson, Samoa Joe, or CM Punk. Those are my choices. Those guys had amazing matches in ROH. They werent on TV but doesnt mean they werent awesome.....

[TripleSkeet]

What about the indy guys? Why no love for Bryan Danielson, Samoa Joe, or CM Punk. Those are my choices. Those guys had amazing matches in ROH. They werent on TV but doesnt mean they werent awesome.....

Accomplishments are one of my criteria and while Im sure they did phenominal in the Indies, youve got to do it in the big time before you can get this title.

[StanUpshaw]

So no Necro Butcher?

[KnoxHarrington]

I'd have to go with Artur Taymazov, who won the Super Heavyweight gold in the 2004 and 2008 Olympics, along with a silver in the 2000 Sydney games. That's pretty strong.

That is what we're talking about here, right?

[conman823]

Accomplishments are one of my criteria and while Im sure they did phenominal in the Indies, youve got to do it in the big time before you can get this title.

Listen I won't sit here and ever defend Cena. I would rather turn in my fan card. Still the guy does it on a major venue weekly. You can say stuff like merch money and all don't matter but it does. The business we are fans of cannot sustain on only the workers we love. If everyone was there to only see Bryan Danielson then we would be all attending bingo halls weekly for wrestling.
If you want to say big time you have to acknowdge who puts asses in the seats and sells tshirts

[TripleSkeet]

Listen I won't sit here and ever defend Cena. I would rather turn in my fan card. Still the guy does it on a major venue weekly. You can say stuff like merch money and all don't matter but it does. The business we are fans of cannot sustain on only the workers we love. If everyone was there to only see Bryan Danielson then we would be all attending bingo halls weekly for wrestling.
If you want to say big time you have to acknowdge who puts asses in the seats and sells tshirts

I understand that but its a combination of both. I cant call someone the best pro wrestler of the last 10 years when most of his matches consist of him doing 5 moves. Its nothing against him personally, but total package-wise, thats where hes lacking. I wouldnt give it to Stone Cold either for that reason and he was alot better in the ring and sold alot more merchandise and tickets then Cena.

But I also dont put guys like Benoit, Edge or CM Punk in there either because they are lacking in the superstar department. I understand Edge has been champ a number of times but in my opinion hes still in the class below guys like Austin, Rock, HHH and Angle.

Angle was the best combination of all those traits I listed in the last 10 years...in my opinion.

[Kevin]

When is Angles TNA deal up?


How much would the crowed go nuts if one night his music hits..

No warning, no announcement he signed..

No code breakers..

[TripleSkeet]

When is Angles TNA deal up?


How much would the crowed go nuts if one night his music hits..

No warning, no announcement he signed..

No code breakers..

Loudest pop theyve heard in years. But this IS the WWE we are talking about so they would probably announce it to the world in order to get good ratings for one night, rather then shock the audience, and have good ratings for the next few weeks as people tune in to see what theyve been missing.

I swear its like theyve taken every idea that made the WWE a billion dollar company and pro wrestling more mainstream then its ever been, and decided to never do anything that smart again.

[StanUpshaw]

When is Angles TNA deal up?


How much would the crowed go nuts if one night his music hits..

No warning, no announcement he signed..

No code breakers..


With almost anyone else, it would be amazing, but I think the "YOU...SUCK" is so ingrained in your head that half the audience would just chant it instinctually.

[CYYYFYYY]

When you say who is the BEST... I treat it as if wrestling was REAL who would be the best. Cena is in the biggest company on the biggest show and held the main belt the longest. That is why I say he is the best.

[TjM]

I like Cena

[TripleSkeet]

When you say who is the BEST... I treat it as if wrestling was REAL who would be the best. Cena is in the biggest company on the biggest show and held the main belt the longest. That is why I say he is the best.

So when David Arquette was WCW Champion does that mean he was either the best or 2nd best wrestler in the world?

Wrestling is a job that requires mutliple talents like most jobs. So when I say whos the best wrestler I basically look at who the best is at their job and has the most qualities it takes to be good at that job.

[Section 8]

A lot of the wrestlers, like Cena, know and can do a lot more than the 5 or six moves they do. The WWE gives them a moveset, essentially their showcase or trademark moves (this is why Hogan was a shitty wrestler in the States, but kicked ass in Japan). That's why you will rarely see anyone other than Chavo Jr do the 3 Amigos suplexes, Cena with his atomic drop turned spinebuster, even certain forms of the DDT are given to certain guys for them to use. If the WWE let the wrestlers actually wrestle their own style without a limited moveset, there would be many more wrestlers to add to this discussion.

I like TripleSkeet's list of what would make a wrestler the best of the decade (from '00-'10):

- In ring ability
- Able to make your opponent look good
- Mic skills
- Gimmick
- Legitimate toughness
- Look
- Accomplishments

My pick as it stands right now is Kurt Angle. Cena is scripted to not put guys over. CM Punk hasn't been in the WWE long enough to qualify for the decade. Triple H might be in the discussion, but Angle can wrestle circles around him.

If guys like Danielson and Punk (in WWE) and Styles and Wolfe (in TNA) can hack it for the next 10 years, maybe we'll be talking about them as best of the decade for '10-'20

[Bob Impact]

A lot of the wrestlers, like Cena, know and can do a lot more than the 5 or six moves they do. The WWE gives them a moveset, essentially their showcase or trademark moves (this is why Hogan was a shitty wrestler in the States, but kicked ass in Japan). That's why you will rarely see anyone other than Chavo Jr do the 3 Amigos suplexes, Cena with his atomic drop turned spinebuster, even certain forms of the DDT are given to certain guys for them to use. If the WWE let the wrestlers actually wrestle their own style without a limited moveset, there would be many more wrestlers to add to this discussion.

I like TripleSkeet's list of what would make a wrestler the best of the decade (from '00-'10):

- In ring ability
- Able to make your opponent look good
- Mic skills
- Gimmick
- Legitimate toughness
- Look
- Accomplishments

My pick as it stands right now is Kurt Angle. Cena is scripted to not put guys over. CM Punk hasn't been in the WWE long enough to qualify for the decade. Triple H might be in the discussion, but Angle can wrestle circles around him.

If guys like Danielson and Punk (in WWE) and Styles and Wolfe (in TNA) can hack it for the next 10 years, maybe we'll be talking about them as best of the decade for '10-'20

You just reminded me that this exists:
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And that makes me happy.

[Kevin]

Cena has actualy shown he can play every role they gave him pretty good.

He was a pretty good heel when he came in..

His mic skills with the rapping was great, then even later after it was good.

I just think the writing is fucking terrible and PG and it really makes him look shitty.

If they gave him more rope i think he would be much better.

I just hope that when that cunt loses in NOV, they move away from the PG shit and maybe even turn him heel.

[CYYYFYYY]

So when David Arquette was WCW Champion does that mean he was either the best or 2nd best wrestler in the world?

Wrestling is a job that requires mutliple talents like most jobs. So when I say whos the best wrestler I basically look at who the best is at their job and has the most qualities it takes to be good at that job.

If he held on to the belt and defended it then yes he would be the second best in the world

[biozombie]

So no Necro Butcher?

/thread

[NickyL0885]

I'm surprised no love for HBK. The man still had it all, even at his age. Heck, he had arguably the match of his career at Wrestlemania 2 years ago vs Undertaker. The sequel wasn't too bad. He was on Bill Simmons podcast a while back before summerslam and he said he still thinks he could out wrestle like 75% of the roster. I wouldn't doubt that.

[TripleSkeet]

If he held on to the belt and defended it then yes he would be the second best in the world

Stop it. The belt has zero bearing on who the best wrestler is. If this were 1970 Id maybe agree with you, but not when Ive seen it around the waist of guys like The Big Show, Scott Steiner, and Goldberg.

I'm surprised no love for HBK. The man still had it all, even at his age. Heck, he had arguably the match of his career at Wrestlemania 2 years ago vs Undertaker. The sequel wasn't too bad. He was on Bill Simmons podcast a while back before summerslam and he said he still thinks he could out wrestle like 75% of the roster. I wouldn't doubt that.

Hes the biggest competition to Angle in my opinion, but dont forget he didnt really wrestle the first half of the decade.

[asayresk]

I still Pick Kurt, but I would put Undertaker over Shawn Micheals.

[TripleSkeet]

I still Pick Kurt, but I would put Undertaker over Shawn Micheals.

Meh. Hes been stealing paychecks the last 6 years or so.

[asayresk]

my top ten in the past ten years

1. Kurt Angle

2. John Cena

3. Batista

4. HHH

5. Undertaker

6. HBK

7. Edge

8. Randy orton

9. Jeff Hardy

10. RVD

[asayresk]

Rey Mysterio would have made the top ten if he wasnt stuck on smackdown.

[asayresk]

You just reminded me that this exists:
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And that makes me happy.

Seeing Hogan doing an armbar is like seeing babe ruth trying to get a base hit just to steal a base.

[Death Metal Moe]

Tie:

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/k9iFmCTaMfc/0.jpg

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/b/brooklynbrawler/03.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

Seeing Hogan doing an armbar is like seeing babe ruth trying to get a base hit just to steal a base.

The move he started off with almost made my brain explode.

[TripleSkeet]

my top ten in the past ten years

1. Kurt Angle

2. John Cena

3. Batista

4. HHH

5. Undertaker

6. HBK

7. Edge

8. Randy orton

9. Jeff Hardy

10. RVD

Wow.
My Top 10

1. Angle
2. Shawn Michaels
3. HHH
4. AJ Styles
5. Cena
6. Jericho
7. Edge
8. RVD
9. Mysterio
10. Orton

No way could I put Taker in there. He has 1 good macth a year, at Mania, and works about 4 months out of the year. Hed be up there with Bret Hart, Stone Cold and Shawn as tops of the 90's though.

[TjM]

I also respect Cena for the charity shit and trying to get the office to push youger talent

[TjM]

The arquette point is stupid. WCW did everything they could to devalue the belt. It was Russo trying to prove that belts were meaningless

[TripleSkeet]

The arquette point is stupid. WCW did everything they could to devalue the belt. It was Russo trying to prove that belts were meaningless

My point is being the world Champion doesnt mean your the best wrestler of the last 10 years, it doesnt even mean your the best wrestler right now. Is someone going to try and tell me Seamus is the best wrestler, even in the WWE, right now?

And as far as outside of the show I give Cena all the respect in the world. He donated a watch to a memorial show for a wrestler I grew up with that Im pretty sure hed never even seen. Not to mention signing the Daniel Bryan petition and charity work he does. Hes definitely a stand up guy.

[Kevin]

Bautista? Really?

Really?

[Kevin]

Jeff Hardy??

REALLY???


SERIOUSLY??

REALLY??

[Death Metal Moe]

Opinions are like wrestler's assholes. They all stink and they're dead by 45.

[Kevin]

Opinions are like wrestler's assholes. They all stink and they're dead by 45.


Aboooooooooo

[TripleSkeet]

Opinions are like wrestler's assholes. They all stink and they're dead by 45.

Sounds like someones upset Muhammad Hassan didnt make the list. :tongue:

[TjM]

Sounds like someones upset Muhammad Hassan didnt make the list. :tongue:

:laugh: