2011-12 NFL Season

[Tenbatsuzen]

New thread authorized by Papa Bear since the old one was getting long. So to start with this:

(to be continued, hold on...)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Jets vs. Giants at the new stadium for preseason to kick off their respective seasons. Lot of trash talk already for just a preseason game.

Followed by Hard Knocks on Wednesday. The first ep was the stuff of legend.

[razorboy]

Jets vs. Giants at the new stadium.

Meet the new box, same as the old box.

[Snoogans]

Jets vs. Giants at the new stadium for preseason to kick off their respective seasons. Lot of trash talk already for just a preseason game.

Followed by Hard Knocks on Wednesday. The first ep was the stuff of legend.

what does this even mean?

[Freitag]

what does this even mean?

Extreme entertainment. Schefter said that after other NFL players saw the first ep, they texted their agents wanting to play for Rex.

wait - is quoting the 2nd main NFL beat writer for ESPN not appropriate? I NEED GUIDANCE

[Kevin]

I would like to point out that Namaths daughter is fucking smoaking...

And the Giants are gunna be TERRIBLE.

That is all.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I would like to point out that Namaths daughter is fucking smoaking...

And the Giants are gunna be TERRIBLE.

That is all.

Namath's daughter looks a lot like Claire Robinson, and she's the first woman in a while who sets off the wife's Jennifer Love Hewitt hate-meter.

Oh and this:

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/3244/nyuelimts25761233283.jpg

[Kevin]

And the Giants win the inaugral game..

AS THEY SHOULD!

[Tenbatsuzen]

And the Giants win the inaugral game..

AS THEY SHOULD!

don't you use Firefox? It has a spell-checker.

and 2) you and HHH are getting way too fucking worked up over a preseason game.

I thought the Giants had class. Who was the douche that was fucking with Fireman Ed after the Jets' first score?

[Barnaby Jones]

The mighty resurrection of the Raiders beings NOW!

[Tenbatsuzen]

The mighty resurrection of the Raiders beings NOW!

Fuck off.

[Kevin]

Your team said all week how it was important to win this..

And fireman Ed is a fag phony.

He sold out Jet fans like you were nothing during that midtown campaign..

How much did he sell out for?

He spewed garbage lies like a shill on how it was good for Jet fans..

Yea.. Good...

You think tix are expensive here.. What would they be in NYC?

Fuck Fireman Ed.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Your team said all week how it was important to win this..

And fireman Ed is a fag phony.

He sold out Jet fans like you were nothing during that midtown campaign..

How much did he sell out for?

He spewed garbage lies like a shill on how it was good for Jet fans..

Yea.. Good...

You think tix are expensive here.. What would they be in NYC?

Fuck Fireman Ed.

With the first team O and D on the field, the Giants got slapped around.

And ticket prices do not concern me. I don't go to games on a regular basis, and if I do go to a football game, I go through a third party reseller.

edit: West Side, really? That was over 5 years ago at this point. Ed was trying to do his gimmick and a Giants fan was being an asshole about it.

[Barnaby Jones]

Fuck off.

Why so sore, chum? You worried about the Raider Nation bringing the thunder down? I should have figured you'd be a Niners fan!

[Kevin]

The point is Ed is a self important hack douche.

And yea.. Just because YOU don't go to games.. Fuck the rest of your fandom that do right?

[spoon]

Jets vs. Giants at the new stadium for preseason to kick off their respective seasons. Lot of trash talk already for just a preseason game.

Followed by Hard Knocks on Wednesday. The first ep was the stuff of legend.

yah, ok sure

[spoon]

don't you use Firefox? It has a spell-checker.

and 2) you and HHH are getting way too fucking worked up over a preseason game.

I thought the Giants had class. Who was the douche that was fucking with Fireman Ed after the Jets' first score?

Please tell me he knocked him out cold. The only thing that would be better is if it was you instead. Yet we have Gvac for that don't we (on v3 of course).

[PapaBear]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/snowmaninva66/jackkentcooke2.jpg

[spoon]

I was wondering, does Tenbats ever just have a post or two about a topic without spouting off something he read elsewhere only to defend it's doucheyness? Whether it's a stupid nickname, theory on some celebrity or an over-the-top claim of legendary greatness of the 5th or so generation of a show that is old and stale not linked to a fat loud mouth asshole trying as hard as he could to be as loud as possible at every fucking turn. Yes, I'm sure all teh great players can't wait to get pumped up every week as being the best in the game on one side of the ball and not even being paid amongst the top 30 at his position...including the guy who lines up opposite of him this year.

I hope the assholes you brought in to the team this year help sink that ship that Sanchez is surely going to help with countless interceptions once LT continually runs for big 2 yard gains and Greene gets hurts in week 2 (if he makes it that long). I never went from being neutral in regards to a team to pure hatred seemingly overnight. Between that asshole coach, the fans taking his lead and becoming pure douches and of course the local media going yankee style on us all with pretty much nothing to back it up yet it happened. I've never been a Giant fan or hater, but that's probably bc they won without constant mouth and have a little class in doing so. Funny how contrasting both teams are right now and you'd expect the Giants to be on the wrong end bc they at least did something recently.

I really hope they don't even make the playoffs, and there is a pretty good shot too with the Pats taking the division and Miami at least being pretty competitive this year. Buffalo, well that's another story.

Jet will probably come in at 8-8 give or take a loss/win (7-9/9-7) in my mind.

[spoon]

The point is Ed is a self important hack douche.

And yea.. Just because YOU don't go to games.. Fuck the rest of your fandom that do right?

So wait, are we talking about fireman ed or matty? I'm truly confused here.

[weekapaugjz]

Buffalo, well that's another story.

Yes, a story of pure awfulness. :wallbash:

[Kevin]

So wait, are we talking about fireman ed or matty? I'm truly confused here.



Can you tell them apart?

I was talking about Ed on the first line to make my point on him, and Matty on the 2nd because he said he does not give a fuck about tix prices because it does not effect him..

So fuck those who do get effected.

[Kevin]

I was wondering, does Tenbats ever just have a post or two about a topic without spouting off something he read elsewhere only to defend it's doucheyness? Whether it's a stupid nickname, theory on some celebrity or an over-the-top claim of legendary greatness of the 5th or so generation of a show that is old and stale not linked to a fat loud mouth asshole trying as hard as he could to be as loud as possible at every fucking turn. Yes, I'm sure all teh great players can't wait to get pumped up every week as being the best in the game on one side of the ball and not even being paid amongst the top 30 at his position...including the guy who lines up opposite of him this year.

I hope the assholes you brought in to the team this year help sink that ship that Sanchez is surely going to help with countless interceptions once LT continually runs for big 2 yard gains and Greene gets hurts in week 2 (if he makes it that long). I never went from being neutral in regards to a team to pure hatred seemingly overnight. Between that asshole coach, the fans taking his lead and becoming pure douches and of course the local media going yankee style on us all with pretty much nothing to back it up yet it happened. I've never been a Giant fan or hater, but that's probably bc they won without constant mouth and have a little class in doing so. Funny how contrasting both teams are right now and you'd expect the Giants to be on the wrong end bc they at least did something recently.

I really hope they don't even make the playoffs, and there is a pretty good shot too with the Pats taking the division and Miami at least being pretty competitive this year. Buffalo, well that's another story.

Jet will probably come in at 8-8 give or take a loss/win (7-9/9-7) in my mind.

100% agreed here..

And as for the Revis thing..

Michael Kay put it best.

This is Rex big fat mouth coming back to hurt them.

If you are going to spout out on how your team is the best and your player is the best at his postion, even at his side of the ball, then be prepared for the player to buy the hype and want to be paid as such.

You spent the entire year last year being on his nuts and saying he is the hands down def player of the year, and NOW he is not that important and you can win without him?

Come on.

You watch, every one of these Jets are going to ask for more money because their coach and org is always talking them up and bragging.

[foodcourtdruide]

I'm not as angry as spoon, but I don't understand all the Jets hype either. In my opinion, they've downgraded their RB position (did anyone else see LT last year?) and have the potential to be SIGNIFICANTLY downgraded at CB. A lot of people are picking this team as the 2nd or 3rd best in the AFC and I just don't see it.

[foodcourtdruide]

100% agreed here..

And as for the Revis thing..

Michael Kay put it best.

This is Rex big fat mouth coming back to hurt them.

If you are going to spout out on how your team is the best and your player is the best at his postion, even at his side of the ball, then be prepared for the player to buy the hype and want to be paid as such.

You spent the entire year last year being on his nuts and saying he is the hands down def player of the year, and NOW he is not that important and you can win without him?

Come on.

You watch, every one of these Jets are going to ask for more money because their coach and org is always talking them up and bragging.

I thought the way he tried to handle the Revis contract negotiations himself was ridiculous too.

[weekapaugjz]

I'm not as angry as spoon, but I don't understand all the Jets hype either. In my opinion, they've downgraded their RB position (did anyone else see LT last year?) and have the potential to be SIGNIFICANTLY downgraded at CB. A lot of people are picking this team as the 2nd or 3rd best in the AFC and I just don't see it.

I don't buy the insane hype either but they still have a very talented team. Especially on the defensive side. Its really going to come down on how well sanchez can perform with all these expectations. I'm still not sold on him being a franchise QB.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

am I the only one who hated the Jets- Giants not playing Pre Season game # 3,

I thought Jets- Giants pre Season Game 1 sucks as much as ESPN the awful station that broadcasted it......


also the Jets haven't even made a super bowl if you are 40 and under... Jet fans stopping talking crap like your Lane Braynt sized coach...


They are trying to create a legacy.... legacies are earned by winning superbowls .... until you win a superbowl, you are the lousy Jets who have gotten somewhat better...

[Kevin]

am I the only one who hated the Jets- Giants not playing Pre Season game # 3,

I thought Jets- Giants pre Season Game 1 sucks as much as ESPN the awful station that broadcasted it......


also the Jets haven't even made a super bowl if you are 40 and under... Jet fans stopping talking crap like your Lane Braynt sized coach...


They are trying to create a legacy.... legacies are earned by winning superbowls .... until you win a superbowl, you are the lousy Jets who have gotten somewhat better...


Come on.. say it.. saaaaaaaay iiiiiiit..


How much better have they gotten?

[CYYYFYYY]

I am a Chicago Bears fan, and I alwys rooted against the Giants and rooted for the Jets. I will continue to root against the Giants (Just a childhood thing) but now I can;t stand the Jets. I don't mind being cocky but this is insane.

[spoon]

Part of the reason I can root for the Giants has to do with the other DISGUSTING teams in the division. Cowboys, oof! Skins, just awful! Simply by default they are less hated, whereas the Jets have the lovable losers in Buffalo, the Marino-less Phins and an equally hated, but respect earned, Pats.

[hanso]

I don't buy the insane hype either but they still have a very talented team. Especially on the defensive side. Its really going to come down on how well sanchez can perform with all these expectations. I'm still not sold on him being a franchise QB.

Fantasy has the D as #1 ranked. I tuned in to see how this is. And saw a goal line stand that failed. Jacobs got in.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Your team said all week how it was important to win this..

And fireman Ed is a fag phony.

He sold out Jet fans like you were nothing during that midtown campaign..

How much did he sell out for?

He spewed garbage lies like a shill on how it was good for Jet fans..

Yea.. Good...

You think tix are expensive here.. What would they be in NYC?

Fuck Fireman Ed.

Just as a question --

The giants were building a new stadium too. So instead of the teams sharing the costs and BOTH sides having sky-high ticket prices, they share the stadium.

It's not like the Jets were building West Side and the Giants were going to sit in Giants Stadium forever.

Not arguing, just saying.

[spoon]

My question is, why the hell was the Giant fan thrown out of the game versus Ed who clearly kept getting physical, pushing and throwing elbows at him in disgust. Way to handle it you fucking hack douche.

[Kevin]

My question is, why the hell was the Giant fan thrown out of the game versus Ed who clearly kept getting physical, pushing and throwing elbows at him in disgust. Way to handle it you fucking hack douche.



Jet home game and Ed is their hack dance monkey.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Jet home game and Ed is their hack dance monkey.

Also, the Giants guy was clearly the instigator and doing shit just to get attention from the fans or TV.

He just didn't walk down and got barreled out of the way by Ed. He wanted to fuck with Ed.

No offense, I've seen more dickish behavior out of Giants fans in the last month then I've seen in a long, long time. Are they that upset it's not their stadium anymore?

[spoon]

Also, the Giants guy was clearly the instigator and doing shit just to get attention from the fans or TV.

He just didn't walk down and got barreled out of the way by Ed. He wanted to fuck with Ed.

No offense, I've seen more dickish behavior out of Giants fans in the last month then I've seen in a long, long time. Are they that upset it's not their stadium anymore?

I'm no fan of either team, but it's clearly a reaction to the Jet's and their completely fucked up attitude and cunt of a coach with absolutely nothing to back it up at this point. It'd be like the wild card team in MLB losing in the playoffs talking shit to the yankees or the mets making it once and doing the same. It's called class, and the Jets simply don't have it.

As for the altercation, bullshit. He wasn't the instigator in the area that counts. He wasn't physical in any way and has every right in the fucking world to mess with Ed's gimmick. I guess he's too big to do be messed with with his new mastercard commercial and the fact he didn't have to pay a psl like the rest of the fans. He's a fucking attention whore looking to gain fame and more out of it. Nothing more. Being that he's 50+ makes it just a little more sad.

[hanso]

NYJ DEF equation

JT $ = no Darrelle Revis

[weekapaugjz]

Even though the bills are gonna suck nuts, cj spiller sure is gonna be fun to watch this year.

[KnoxHarrington]

The Bengals seem to have adopted the Raiders' strategy of picking up distressed properties for cheap, signing players .with difficulties for far less than they'd get on the open market, given their stats and potential. It seems to have worked with Cedric Benson, but they're really testing it with one of the game's biggest headcases, Terrell Owens, and an absolute criminal in Pacman Jones.

Maybe Marvin Lewis has a talent for dealing with players like this, and they'll coalesce into a great team. Or maybe it will explode, and Pacman Jones will be back in jail and Terrell Owens will be questioning Carson Palmer's sexuality.

I can see this team winning 12 games or winning 4 just as easily.

[TripleSkeet]

I just want to say Buddy Ryan is my favorite Eagles coach of all time. And Rex is just like him. I will be rooting for the Jets this season. (Secondary to my Eagles of course).

[spoon]

The Bengals seem to have adopted the Raiders' strategy of picking up distressed properties for cheap, signing players .with difficulties for far less than they'd get on the open market, given their stats and potential. It seems to have worked with Cedric Benson, but they're really testing it with one of the game's biggest headcases, Terrell Owens, and an absolute criminal in Pacman Jones.

Maybe Marvin Lewis has a talent for dealing with players like this, and they'll coalesce into a great team. Or maybe it will explode, and Pacman Jones will be back in jail and Terrell Owens will be questioning Carson Palmer's sexuality.

I can see this team winning 12 games or winning 4 just as easily.

10 at most, more like 8. Baltimore takes that division.

[spoon]

I just want to say Buddy Ryan is my favorite Eagles coach of all time. And Rex is just like him. I will be rooting for the Jets this season. (Secondary to my Eagles of course).

I hate you.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just want to say Buddy Ryan is my favorite Eagles coach of all time. And Rex is just like him. I will be rooting for the Jets this season. (Secondary to my Eagles of course).

HOW THE FUCK YOU DOING, BOYS!?!?

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/snowmaninva66/jackkentcooke2.jpg

I meant to ask.

Cooke was pretty well off when he died. That's a pretty pathetic tombstone. What gives?

[PapaBear]

I meant to ask.

Cooke was pretty well off when he died. That's a pretty pathetic tombstone. What gives?
I don't know. I asked the girl who took the pic, if it was one of those memorial gardens, where all the graves are like that. She said it wasn't. It's an old church (the Mellons are buried there, too), and she said many of the other graves were very elaborate. I guess he just wanted something simple. It's a shame it's cracked, though.

[Kevin]

I'm watching Hard Nocks..

And I gotta say that Woody Johnson looks and sounds like a know nothing idiot..

Its not even an anti Jet thing.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm watching Hard Nocks..

And I gotta say that Woody Johnson looks and sounds like a know nothing idiot..

Its not even an anti Jet thing.

Do you seriously put in a misspelled word in every post of yours now? It's almost like you're degrading Charly-style in your posting.

That said, please explain this. I'd love to hear this.

[Kevin]

Relax sally, I forgot a letter.

I'm careless when i write and don't really care enough to notice..

He just looks stupid.

The stupid glasses and hat he wears, and just does not contribute anything into any convo.

He just parrots whatever he hears.

Like I said, its not an anti Jet thing..

Its just an observation..

[spoon]

HOW THE FUCK YOU DOING, BOYS!?!?

:wallbash:

[Snacks]

The only NFL team I despise is the Jets. I will admit watching hard knocks you do get a good laugh at the fat fuck (rex) and the rest of the team. But they still have nothing to back up all the talk they spew. They went to the playoffs because 2 teams quit. Cant dispute that. Their offense is terrible and it looks like Sanchez might turn out to be another terrible, franchise QB with more int's then td's year in and year out. Similar to the shit bag Namath who has no business being in the hall of fame or ever being mentioned as a all time great.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The only NFL team I despise is the Jets. I will admit watching hard knocks you do get a good laugh at the fat fuck (rex) and the rest of the team. But they still have nothing to back up all the talk they spew. They went to the playoffs because 2 teams quit. Cant dispute that. Their offense is terrible and it looks like Sanchez might turn out to be another terrible, franchise QB with more int's then td's year in and year out. Similar to the shit bag Namath who has no business being in the hall of fame or ever being mentioned as a all time great.

You're a dolphins fan. How the hell can you mock Rex and Sanchez when your own coach is fat and Henne hasn't proven shit either?

[Snacks]

You're a dolphins fan. How the hell can you mock Rex and Sanchez when your own coach is fat and Henne hasn't proven shit either?

But their not pumping their chest and talking shit. Sporano is fat too but come on is there a fatter piece of shit in the NFL or football? Maybe that big fat former coach of Kansas but Rex is just all over the place sloppy. Hes funny but he talks way too much shit for someone who couldnt even get in a 3 point stand if he had to. As for Henne, come on he has already looked better thyn Sanchez and he has beat the Jets 2 times already as well.

[Kevin]

The only NFL team I despise is the Jets. I will admit watching hard knocks you do get a good laugh at the fat fuck (rex) and the rest of the team. But they still have nothing to back up all the talk they spew. They went to the playoffs because 2 teams quit. Cant dispute that. Their offense is terrible and it looks like Sanchez might turn out to be another terrible, franchise QB with more int's then td's year in and year out. Similar to the shit bag Namath who has no business being in the hall of fame or ever being mentioned as a all time great.



Nothing angers me more than the Namath thing.

He was a terrible QB with no accuracy and one drunken night he decides to talk shit and then the next day it just happens to be that way..

He did nothing in that game, no TD passes and gets MVP.

He now milks that for everything that its worth.

Not a more undeserving person ever.

With that said...

I want to bang his daughter..

[epo]

The only NFL team I despise is the Jets. I will admit watching hard knocks you do get a good laugh at the fat fuck (rex) and the rest of the team. But they still have nothing to back up all the talk they spew. They went to the playoffs because 2 teams quit. Cant dispute that. Their offense is terrible and it looks like Sanchez might turn out to be another terrible, franchise QB with more int's then td's year in and year out. Similar to the shit bag Namath who has no business being in the hall of fame or ever being mentioned as a all time great.

Wouldn't that mean that Mark Sanchez actually isn't a franchise QB...which is my contention.

[Kevin]

Wouldn't that mean that Mark Sanchez actually isn't a franchise QB...which is my contention.



Everyone is a franchise something with one good game or moment when with the Jets.

But hey.. No one aint beating them but themselves right?

[hanso]

I use the same gage. More INT than TD for QB. But what has me wondering is this # 1 rank for NYJ DEF on fantasy. Their top CB hasn't signed yet (and may not even sign says the team owner). They just got JT a good player although getting up in years. And has to learn a whole new system.

[Snacks]

Nothing angers me more than the Namath thing.

He was a terrible QB with no accuracy and one drunken night he decides to talk shit and then the next day it just happens to be that way..

He did nothing in that game, no TD passes and gets MVP.

He now milks that for everything that its worth.

Not a more undeserving person ever.

With that said...

I want to bang his daughter..


I have been saying this for years. He is a horribly overrated QB who has made a career off of a comment that he never said in the way that it has always been reported. he said it in in a matter of fact way not a real guarantee. He defiantly didnt deserve the MVP, Matt Snell or someone from that defense did.

[Snacks]

Wouldn't that mean that Mark Sanchez actually isn't a franchise QB...which is my contention.

for any other team yes but for the Jets he will be a franchise QB. Look at Namaths numbers. He had 50+ more int's then td's and 11 out of 13 year he had more int's then td's for the season. And this bum is in the hall of fame!? makes me laugh!

[Snacks]

I use the same gage. More INT than TD for QB. But what has me wondering is this # 1 rank for NYJ DEF on fantasy. Their top CB hasn't signed yet (and may not even sign says the team owner). They just got JT a good player although getting up in years. And has to learn a whole new system.

Jason Taylor surprised me. He as such hate for the Jets and their fans but took the money. I dont think his heart will really be in it. But then again its a business and even though I hate the Jets money is money and in business you dont have to be a fan of someone to do business with them.

[epo]

for any other team yes but for the Jets he will be a franchise QB. Look at Namaths numbers. He had 50+ more int's then td's and 11 out of 13 year he had more int's then td's for the season. And this bum is in the hall of fame!? makes me laugh!

We need a better guidelines to define a "franchise QB" if Mark Sanchez qualifies.

[weekapaugjz]

We need a better guidelines to define a "franchise QB" if Mark Sanchez qualifies.

seriously. i'm not knocking sanchez at all, he seems like a decent young QB. he was placed on a talented team and got some wins and all of sudden he is a franchise QB. what happened to proving yourself in the league? it's fucking espn and the hype machine that overexagerates on too many players. he has proven nothing in the one year he has been in the league as a "franchise" player". i just saw a commercial at the bar tonight that he was in a I HEART NY commercial and almost puked in my mouth.

[Tenbatsuzen]

1) Who the FUCK is pumping up Sanchez like he's the next coming of Brady? I'm the biggest Jets homer there is and I know goddamn well Sanchez is a work in progress. The only people who came up with this "Sanchize" tag are the fucking dolts who thought he was the next coming when the Jets were 3-0 last year.

He needs more seasoning. I am not drinking the Sanchez koolaid yet.

2) If you don't think Woody is going to buckle and sign Revis, you are out of your mind. This is just gamesmanship. You honestly think Woody and Tannenbaum put together this team to win a Super Bowl with no cap and then let their best defensive player sit out?

3) Why are you talking about Namath? Namath is in the hall of fame. Deal with it. And remember kids, as much as you want to bash Namath's numbers, he still has one better stat than Marino will ever have.

All Namath did was show up to training camp and was on Hard Knocks. Like it or not, he's the Jets ambassador.

4) More on Sanchez: Sanchez is a good-looking, well spoken, ethnic kid. He appeals to both men and women. Just because he's marketed out the wazoo of the "FACE" of the franchise doesn't mean he IS the Franchise.

I mean, are you going to be more interested in NYC tourism from Sanchez, or this guy:

http://www.whodeyfans.com/uploaded_images/mangold_nick-730428.jpg

[weekapaugjz]

1) Who the FUCK is pumping up Sanchez like he's the next coming of Brady? I'm the biggest Jets homer there is and I know goddamn well Sanchez is a work in progress. The only people who came up with this "Sanchize" tag are the fucking dolts who thought he was the next coming when the Jets were 3-0 last year.


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[Tenbatsuzen]

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and? I don't see in that ad where he says "I AM THE FRANCHISE QB AND THE BEST FUCKING MEXICAN IN THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE".

Is that in the director's cut?

[weekapaugjz]

i saw it as a commercial tonight at the bar. no directors cut.

if he's on a spot like that, he's touted as a franchise qb. you can't be that dense.

[Tenbatsuzen]

i saw it as a commercial tonight at the bar. no directors cut.

if he's on a spot like that, he's touted as a franchise qb. you can't be that dense.

...he's been in ads for Toyota last year locally. I still don't see where he's being flaunted as being a Hall of Famer. If anything, it's a slobberjob on Namath.

He's the best looking player on a team with high expectations. Of course he's going to get advertising opportunities. I still don't see what the problem is.

[weekapaugjz]

it's about the hype. he's been in the league on year and did not do much to impress having a good team around him.

you cant the new york state tourism council using sanchez in the same commercial as tina fey and alec baldwin isn't about hype. as you say, its to "get advertising", but its hype he really doesn't deserve

[Tenbatsuzen]

it's about the hype. he's been in the league on year and did not do much to impress having a good team around him.

you cant the new york state tourism council using sanchez in the same commercial as tina fey and alec baldwin isn't about hype. as you say, its to "get advertising", but its hype he really doesn't deserve

Now you're hating just for the sake of hating.

He was a rookie QB on a team that was 30 mins from the super bowl. You don't think Flacco, Ryan, etc. got advertising ops after they had their runs?

[Kevin]

Now you're hating just for the sake of hating.

He was a rookie QB on a team that was 30 mins from the super bowl. You don't think Flacco, Ryan, etc. got advertising ops after they had their runs?



What about Eli?

He is a MANNING and WON a SB.. and a SB MVP..

Not 30mins away from making it..

WON It.

And I only saw him in a few commercials, nothing like Sanchez.

[epo]

"Sanchize"

Holy crap is that a lame fucking tag.

[PapaBear]

What about Eli?

He is a MANNING and WON a SB.. and a SB MVP..

Not 30mins away from making it..

WON It.

And I only saw him in a few commercials, nothing like Sanchez.
I don't think many advertisers are even interested in doing commercials with Eli. He's just ugly and has no personality.

[Kevin]

I don't think many advertisers are even interested in doing commercials with Eli. He's just ugly and has no personality.



Bah..

Eli's personality is underrated..

And as for being ugly, Peyton isnt exactly a looker either...

[PapaBear]

And as for being ugly, Peyton isnt exactly a looker either...
Agreed. But he's not quite as ugly, and can halfway pull off humor.

[Kevin]

Agreed. But he's not quite as ugly, and can halfway pull off humor.



Halfway?

Come on, Peyton is pretty fucking funny.

[Judge Smails]

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[PapaBear]

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<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/UzChBB5zyt0?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="385" width="640"></object> (http://%3Cobject%20width=%22640%22%20height=%22385%22%3E% 3Cparam%20name=%22movie%22%20value=%22http://www.youtube.com/v/UzChBB5zyt0?fs=1&hl=en_US%22%3E%3C/param%3E%3Cparam%20name=%22allowFullScreen%22%20va lue=%22true%22%3E%3C/param%3E%3Cparam%20name=%22allowscriptaccess%22%20 value=%22always%22%3E%3C/param%3E%3Cembed%20src=%22http://www.youtube.com/v/UzChBB5zyt0?fs=1&hl=en_US%22%20type=%22application/x-shockwave-flash%22%20allowscriptaccess=%22always%22%20allowf ullscreen=%22true%22%20width=%22640%22%20height=%2 2385%22%3E%3C/embed%3E%3C/object%3E)

It was nice of both of them to show their tolerance by doing an ad with a gay guy.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Holy crap is that a lame fucking tag.

Don't pin it on me. I don't like it and I didn't come up with it. Remember: I think Marc has a lot to prove, but people yelling about him being in ads is just silly.

You don't go to the hall of fame for commercials, you go for the hall of fame for winning. Otherwise Michael Waltrip would be a golden god.

[Tenbatsuzen]

What about Eli?

He is a MANNING and WON a SB.. and a SB MVP..

Not 30mins away from making it..

WON It.

And I only saw him in a few commercials, nothing like Sanchez.

1) See bolding, you completely kill your argument by starting it like that. He's a Manning? What the fuck does that mean? Does Cooper get ads too now?

He had the toyota ads, same as Sanchez. Hell, he had the Toyota ads for years by himself and with Pennington as well.

2) See the point about having a marketable personality. Eli had a spectacular play, but he's not that well spoken or has a definable personality. The person who got all the advertisements from the Giants SB win was Strahan.

[Tenbatsuzen]

It was nice of both of them to show their tolerance by doing an ad with a gay guy.

That's just one in a series. Those ads were UNQUESTIONABLY bad last year. It's advertising from the local Toyota dealers.

[TripleSkeet]

What about Eli?

He is a MANNING and WON a SB.. and a SB MVP..

Not 30mins away from making it..

WON It.

And I only saw him in a few commercials, nothing like Sanchez.

Thats because hes got a face like a foot.

[Kevin]

1) See bolding, you completely kill your argument by starting it like that. He's a Manning? What the fuck does that mean? Does Cooper get ads too now?

He had the toyota ads, same as Sanchez. Hell, he had the Toyota ads for years by himself and with Pennington as well.

2) See the point about having a marketable personality. Eli had a spectacular play, but he's not that well spoken or has a definable personality. The person who got all the advertisements from the Giants SB win was Strahan.



Cooper does not play..

And you said you can't make the HOF by just making commercials..

Why the hell not?

Namath sure did..

Did not do anything else well..

[epo]

seriously. i'm not knocking sanchez at all, he seems like a decent young QB. he was placed on a talented team and got some wins and all of sudden he is a franchise QB. what happened to proving yourself in the league? it's fucking espn and the hype machine that overexagerates on too many players. he has proven nothing in the one year he has been in the league as a "franchise" player". i just saw a commercial at the bar tonight that he was in a I HEART NY commercial and almost puked in my mouth.

So how do we quantify "franchise QB" and who actually qualifies?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Cooper does not play..

And you said you can't make the HOF by just making commercials..

Why the hell not?

Namath sure did..

Did not do anything else well..

Remind me, what did Namath do that Marino nor Kelly couldn't do?

[PapaBear]

Remind me, what did Namath do that Marino nor Kelly couldn't do?
Look good in pantyhose?


Oh, and there was that big game of some sort that he won.

[PapaBear]

I really wish something could be done with this over paid ass! (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/08/21/albert-haynesworth-sounds-off-during-postgame-rant/?ncid=txtlnkusspor00000002&xid=si_nfl)

''He wasn't going to play with the first or second team for obvious reasons,'' Shanahan said. ''He's going to have to earn his way to play with that group.''

That didn't sit well with the big defensive lineman, who ranted to reporters after the game, until a member of the Redskins' PR staff reportedly stepped in and stopped the interview.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Look good in pantyhose?


Oh, and there was that big game of some sort that he won.

And we've had this conversation before, that Namath's numbers are comparable to Len Dawson and Bart Starr, two QB's of Namath's era that are in the HOF.

People want to deride the pick numbers, but you cannot deny that he was part of the reason for the merger, one of the most important events in NFL History.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I really wish something could be done with this over paid ass! (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/08/21/albert-haynesworth-sounds-off-during-postgame-rant/?ncid=txtlnkusspor00000002&xid=si_nfl)

How bad is the hit if you cut him?

I just can't see this ending well for anyone in this situation.

[Kevin]

Look good in pantyhose?


Oh, and there was that big game of some sort that he won.



He did not win jack shit.

The only thing he did right was not throw is signature interceptions.

Only Offensive superbowl MVP without a TD.

[PapaBear]

How bad is the hit if you cut him?

I just can't see this ending well for anyone in this situation.
I think they want to. They just want to find a way to get some of that bonus money back, first. I think it was like two days after he got the bonus, that he said he didn't want to play for them.

[Kevin]

If im picking a QB and someone tells me he will have Namath's career, then i will say he will be an utter bust.

[Snacks]

Now you're hating just for the sake of hating.

He was a rookie QB on a team that was 30 mins from the super bowl. You don't think Flacco, Ryan, etc. got advertising ops after they had their runs?

he was also a rookie with 20 + ints on a team who was handed the playoffs by 2 teams who didnt play the last 2 weeks against them.

The reason people are hating is the team doesnt deserve the hype. they at best should have been 8-8 if cincy or indy did the right thing. I actually think they would have been 7-9 but that because I hate this organization more then any in all of sports. But I do like Sanchez but there is only backlash towards teams, players and anything that is over hyped for no other reason then marketing not earned.

[Kevin]

Namath is probably Satan's favorite player of all time.

He prob suckered many fools by taking their souls for a "Hall Of Fame Player" Career, just to give them Namath's shitty career.

What a deal!

[Snacks]

Don't pin it on me. I don't like it and I didn't come up with it. Remember: I think Marc has a lot to prove, but people yelling about him being in ads is just silly.

You don't go to the hall of fame for commercials, you go for the hall of fame for winning. Otherwise Michael Waltrip would be a golden god.

so why is Namath in the hall? he didnt make it for his numbers and winning is a team sport and he needs to thank that team for getting him a super bowl. one of which he did NOTHING to win it. He is in the Hall because he played in NY for a team that won a SB and because he was in commercial after commercial not because he was a great QB. He has lived all that "guarantee", commercials and how good he was in college. He deserves no respect when it comes to being a great nfl qb because he wasnt

[Tenbatsuzen]

Lawrence Taylor... 132.5 sacks, in the Hall of Fame

Kevin Greene... 160 sacks, not in the hall of fame

LT - worst linebacker in the hall of fame.

[Snacks]

Remind me, what did Namath do that Marino nor Kelly couldn't do?

Winning especially in the nfl is a team sport. offense and defense rarely is it all because the QB. Fuck, Trent Dilfer has a SB ring but will never be in the hall. So your argument about have a ring over Marino is meaningless. The funny thing is Marino without a Ring is still considered the BEST passing QB ever and many put him in as a top 5/10 overall QB ever. Many also say if he had that stupid ring he would be considered with 1 ring as the best ever over many with multiple rings. Please never compare greatness (Marino) to shit (Namath) you cant win that argument.

[Kevin]

Lawrence Taylor... 132.5 sacks, in the Hall of Fame

Kevin Greene... 160 sacks, not in the hall of fame

LT - worst linebacker in the hall of fame.



Are you seriously that Retarded?

[hanso]

Jason Taylor surprised me. He as such hate for the Jets and their fans but took the money. I dont think his heart will really be in it. But then again its a business and even though I hate the Jets money is money and in business you dont have to be a fan of someone to do business with them.

Pssst. Spy report...Spy report.. (he might be a plant/he might be a spy)

[Tenbatsuzen]

so why is Namath in the hall? he didnt make it for his numbers

again, comparable numbers to Starr and Dawson, and won a SB, and the merger.

Yes he threw a lot of pics, but he threw a ton of passes as well.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Are you seriously that Retarded?

No, I'm giving you an illustration of how stupid you sound complaining about a QB who played 40 years ago and was put in the HOF over 25 years ago.

As I said before, NYG fans are suddenly super-sensitive about Jets fans having confidence about their team, and they are missing all their weapons for arguments. Aren't you the ones who are 3x SB champions? Why the small-dickedness? You're acting like abusive boyfriends whose chick got assertive all of a sudden.

[Snacks]

again, comparable numbers to Starr and Dawson, and won a SB, and the merger.

Yes he threw a lot of pics, but he threw a ton of passes as well.

he has a losing career record, he has more ints then tds by over 50 ints, he has had 2 years with more tds then ints and 11 seasons with more ints then tds, he led the league in ints 4 times but only led the league in tds 1 time. I think he has barley 30k yards passing, his qb rating is in the 60's and he barley completed 50% of his passes Hes a bum who was always hurt or throwing a pick. He has robbed you jets fans and nfl fans for year. the only thing he ever did worthy of anything is he has a fuckable daughter who didnt even want to pay attention to him on hard knocks.

Are you seriously arguing that he was a great... I mean even good nfl qb? Come on look at those #'s

[Kevin]

No, I'm giving you an illustration of how stupid you sound complaining about a QB who played 40 years ago and was put in the HOF over 25 years ago.

As I said before, NYG fans are suddenly super-sensitive about Jets fans having confidence about their team, and they are missing all their weapons for arguments. Aren't you the ones who are 3x SB champions? Why the small-dickedness? You're acting like abusive boyfriends whose chick got assertive all of a sudden.



First of all, Greene played a mix of DE and LB..

He was not strictly a LB.

2nd of all, LT was the best Def player maybe of a generation and Greene was a compiler.

Any way you look at it. 40yrs 50yrs 90 yrs. Namaths stats are shit.

That may have been the dumbest example ever.

Wow...

[Tenbatsuzen]

he has a losing career record, he has more ints then tds by over 50 ints, he has had 2 years with more tds then ints and 11 seasons with more ints then tds, he led the league in ints 4 times but only led the league in tds 1 time. I think he has barley 30k yards passing, his qb rating is in the 60's and he barley completed 50% of his passes Hes a bum who was always hurt or throwing a pick. He has robbed you jets fans and nfl fans for year. the only thing he ever did worthy of anything is he has a fuckable daughter who didnt even want to pay attention to him on hard knocks.

Are you seriously arguing that he was a great... I mean even good nfl qb? Come on look at those #'s

I'm actually more annoyed about people arguing about a QB who played before they were born and was in the HOF when they were babies. Let it the fuck go.

You want to talk shit? Fine, you swept the games last year. Good for you. Let's start there.

[Tenbatsuzen]

First of all, Greene played a mix of DE and LB..

He was not strictly a LB.

2nd of all, LT was the best Def player maybe of a generation and Greene was a compiler.

Any way you look at it. 40yrs 50yrs 90 yrs. Namaths stats are shit.

That may have been the dumbest example ever.

Wow...

you just completely missed the point. Holy shit, you must be scared that the Old Man has gone completely senile and will use Eli for a cornerback or some shit this season.

[Tenbatsuzen]

and Kevin, you truly are a complete dolt if you thought I was serious.

That said:

Why do players do this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/83/Zach_Thomas2.jpg

I'm seeing it ALL THE TIME now.

[hanso]

I really wish something could be done with this over paid ass! (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/08/21/albert-haynesworth-sounds-off-during-postgame-rant/?ncid=txtlnkusspor00000002&xid=si_nfl)

He said he did not have a headache. He is the headache. Was he the #1 draft pick?

[PapaBear]

He said he did not have a headache. He is the headache. Was he the #1 draft pick?
No. The #1 pick is doing fine, as far as know. They got him from the Titans a year or two ago.

[Kevin]

and Kevin, you truly are a complete dolt if you thought I was serious.

That said:

Why do players do this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/83/Zach_Thomas2.jpg

I'm seeing it ALL THE TIME now.



Nice try.

You were DEAD serious

You just realized how utterly retarded it was.

[Snacks]

Nice try.

You were DEAD serious

You just realized how utterly retarded it was.

maybe someone can explain that to me? is he saying choking?

[spoon]

Lawrence Taylor... 132.5 sacks, in the Hall of Fame

Kevin Greene... 160 sacks, not in the hall of fame

LT - worst linebacker in the hall of fame.

That's just plain stupid. However, Namath is mainly in for that one big year and it's impact on the NFC/AFC (NFL/AFL) images past and future. Stats alone don't get him in, but he happened to win a pretty important game, played it up for all it's worth and like it or not had a pretty big impact on the game.

[hanso]

"He was drafted by the Tennessee Titans in the first round (15th overall) of the 2002 NFL Draft "
Went on wikipedia ^


Better than first overall pick. And it's 8 years ago. This is ugly for all sides.


And I saw Favre do the hands in jersey deal on last nights game.

[spoon]

No, I'm giving you an illustration of how stupid you sound complaining about a QB who played 40 years ago and was put in the HOF over 25 years ago.

As I said before, NYG fans are suddenly super-sensitive about Jets fans having confidence about their team, and they are missing all their weapons for arguments. Aren't you the ones who are 3x SB champions? Why the small-dickedness? You're acting like abusive boyfriends whose chick got assertive all of a sudden.

Again stupid. It's about HOW the Jet fans, players and especially their coach show their confidence. It's pretty fucking sad to be honest. I feel you're in the right camp being a Jet fan Matt, they surely fit you.

[PapaBear]

"He was drafted by the Tennessee Titans in the first round (15th overall) of the 2002 NFL Draft "
Went on wikipedia ^


Better than first overall pick. And it's 8 years ago. This is ugly for all sides.
I assumed you meant the Skins' number one pick. In any case, I just wish he would go away. He's just an unneeded distraction to a team that is in complete restructuring mode. Then again... Shanahan might be using him to distract attention from other shit.

[Kevin]

Again stupid. It's about HOW the Jet fans, players and especially their coach show their confidence. It's pretty fucking sad to be honest. I feel you're in the right camp being a Jet fan Matt, they surely fits you.



Pretty much dead on there...

[spoon]

It's just a place to rest the hands like in jean pockets and on top of that sometimes when breaking in new shoulder pads they dig in and are too tight. I used to do that by pulling them away from your body and stretch them out a little.

[weekapaugjz]

Now you're hating just for the sake of hating.

He was a rookie QB on a team that was 30 mins from the super bowl. You don't think Flacco, Ryan, etc. got advertising ops after they had their runs?

Its not hating. Sanchez isn't that impressive. And the jets were got into the playoffs by the skin of their teeth because of actions of other teams.

[weekapaugjz]

Don't pin it on me. I don't like it and I didn't come up with it. Remember: I think Marc has a lot to prove, but people yelling about him being in ads is just silly.

You don't go to the hall of fame for commercials, you go for the hall of fame for winning. Otherwise Michael Waltrip would be a golden god.

Its not the ads themselves, its the fucking hype surrounding a player that hasn't done much. Is that so hard for you to comprehend?

[epo]

again, comparable numbers to Starr and Dawson, and won a SB, and the merger.

Yes he threw a lot of pics, but he threw a ton of passes as well.

Namath: 50.1% Accuracy, 173/220 TD/INT, 65.5% QB Rating, 1 Super Bowl
Starr: 57.4% Accuracy, 152/138 TD/INT, 80.5% QB Rating, 2 Super Bowls, 5 NFL Championships.

Do not ever compare that drunken trash to the greatness that is Bart Starr ever again.

Thank you.

[Snacks]

Namath: 50.1% Accuracy, 173/220 TD/INT, 65.5% QB Rating, 1 Super Bowl
Starr: 57.4% Accuracy, 152/138 TD/INT, 80.5% QB Rating, 2 Super Bowls, 5 NFL Championships.

Do not ever compare that drunken trash to the greatness that is Bart Starr ever again.

Thank you.

wow I love the utter hate for Namath! I thought I was the only one who despised this man for getting the hype and respect he really doesnt deserve. Growing up and being forced to watch the Jets and listen to Jets fan talk about how great Joe Willy Namath was and blah blah blah always made me puke a little in my mouth. It nice to know that the rest of the world knows true greatness and real garbage when they see it.

[Kevin]

Namath: 50.1% Accuracy, 173/220 TD/INT, 65.5% QB Rating, 1 Super Bowl
Starr: 57.4% Accuracy, 152/138 TD/INT, 80.5% QB Rating, 2 Super Bowls, 5 NFL Championships.

Do not ever compare that drunken trash to the greatness that is Bart Starr ever again.

Thank you.



Goddamn that was funny.

Not even close.

[Kevin]

That's just plain stupid. However, Namath is mainly in for that one big year and it's impact on the NFC/AFC (NFL/AFL) images past and future. Stats alone don't get him in, but he happened to win a pretty important game, played it up for all it's worth and like it or not had a pretty big impact on the game.



What exactly did he do in that game to have a big impact?

[Snacks]

What exactly did he do in that game to have a big impact?

some say because the jets beat the colts that win was a big reason for the nfl/afl merge the 2 leagues. I still dont buy that because he won nothing. But people were even more fooled by the media and their athletes back then even more then we are now.

[TripleSkeet]

I dont care what anyone says, I believe Namath is worthy of the Hall. Hey my personal opinion, I dont have any kind of loyalty to the Jets whatsoever.

[Kevin]

some say because the jets beat the colts that win was a big reason for the nfl/afl merge the 2 leagues. I still dont buy that because he won nothing. But people were even more fooled by the media and their athletes back then even more then we are now.



I understand that an can even buy it a little.

But he did nothing in that game.

If you are gunna give he props for the game, fine..

But don't give me this All-Time great QBs nonsense.

He was terrible.

[Snacks]

I dont care what anyone says, I believe Namath is worthy of the Hall. Hey my personal opinion, I dont have any kind of loyalty to the Jets whatsoever.

and what could possibly be your reasoning for this? He doesnt have a winning record and his stats are shit!

[Snacks]

I understand that an can even buy it a little.

But he did nothing in that game.

If you are gunna give he props for the game, fine..

But don't give me this All-Time great QBs nonsense.

He was terrible.

I agree, but he has made a career off this one game, commercials and a mink coat. Ladt year Bob "the asshole" Costas had 3 nfl great QB's on his hbo show. He had Elway, Marino and Namath. I couldnt believe how Costas was blowing Namath and talking to him like he was the best ever. It was a joke on so many levels but that Costas he respects the players of his youth way more then he should.

[Kevin]

I dont care what anyone says, I believe Namath is worthy of the Hall. Hey my personal opinion, I dont have any kind of loyalty to the Jets whatsoever.

If i were drafting a QB and a same age Mcnabb and Namath were available, I would take Donavan without even a second thought in my head.

NONE

[foodcourtdruide]

If i were drafting a QB and a same age Mcnabb and Namath were available, I would take Donavan without even a second thought in my head.

NONE

Agreed. It's not even close.

[spoon]

What exactly did he do in that game to have a big impact?

some say because the jets beat the colts that win was a big reason for the nfl/afl merge the 2 leagues. I still dont buy that because he won nothing. But people were even more fooled by the media and their athletes back then even more then we are now.

Snacks pretty much hit it up, but the symbolic nature of the win or it's impact can't be denied. He may not have been the MVP in reality, but his mouth and the fact he was the field general (QB) surely linked him in a solid way to the moment. Either way, they won a big game and he got most of the credit and he road that all the way to the Hall. That much is a fact...I'm not saying it's a good thing. Whatever you do, don't think I'm saying he deserves anything but a footnote in the Hall linked to that Super Bowl story. I'd rather they put in his ugly fur, it surely threw less fucking ints!

[foodcourtdruide]

The NFL hall of fame is a joke anyway, they allow way too many players in.

[Kevin]

I guess he was such a shitty QB, the fact that he did not have a pick in the game made him the MVP.

[spoon]

I dont care what anyone says, I believe Namath is worthy of the Hall. Hey my personal opinion, I dont have any kind of loyalty to the Jets whatsoever.

If that's the qualifying level, the Hall would be a complete joke. That being said, it's like any Hall bc where you play and ur image in the media play a big part more than your overall play does. It's a sad fact, but a LOT of great players have been overlooked bc they played on shit teams and a lot of average players get in bc they play in big markets with other great players leading the way.

Look at MLB, some say individual awards shouldn't go to players on teams not winning, especially MVP or the CY. To me that's a fucking joke bc they are ind awards and if they have their way it only adds more to the imbalance of the league bc accolades come much easier on teams that win often/spend money. To say Felix isn't a top Cy candidate in the AL is fucking comical...again, but he's on Seattle and people put way too much stock in wins versus actual pitching stats.

Here in NY you already hear all the CC for Cy talk, and he's in the picture no doubt, but everyone will pass by Felix bc of his record. He loses games constantly 1-0, 2-1 simply bc his team hits like Justjon at the softball game. It's easy to say wins are the equiv of rbis for pitchers. The most useless stat overall, but a huge influence over voters.

[Kevin]

If that's the qualifying level, the Hall would be a complete joke. That being said, it's like any Hall bc where you play and ur image in the media play a big part more than your overall play does. It's a sad fact, but a LOT of great players have been overlooked bc they played on shit teams and a lot of average players get in bc they play in big markets with other great players leading the way.

Look at MLB, some say individual awards shouldn't go to players on teams not winning, especially MVP or the CY. To me that's a fucking joke bc they are ind awards and if they have their way it only adds more to the imbalance of the league bc accolades come much easier on teams that win often/spend money. To say Felix isn't a top Cy candidate in the AL is fucking comical...again, but he's on Seattle and people put way too much stock in wins versus actual pitching stats.

Here in NY you already hear all the CC for Cy talk, and he's in the picture no doubt, but everyone will pass by Felix bc of his record. He loses games constantly 1-0, 2-1 simply bc his team hits like Justjon at the softball game. It's easy to say wins are the equiv of rbis for pitchers. The most useless stat overall, but a huge influence over voters.



You don't have to sell me on Felix, he has had 3 CG shutouts and an 8 inn 11k shutout against us in his last four starts.

[hanso]

Namath: 50.1% Accuracy, 173/220 TD/INT, 65.5% QB Rating, 1 Super Bowl
Starr: 57.4% Accuracy, 152/138 TD/INT, 80.5% QB Rating, 2 Super Bowls, 5 NFL Championships.

Do not ever compare that drunken trash to the greatness that is Bart Starr ever again.

Thank you.

I wonder how a Trent Dilfer would match up, that winning SB might be spot on. It's something what hype can do.

[hanso]

Its not the ads themselves, its the fucking hype surrounding a player that hasn't done much. Is that so hard for you to comprehend?

Speaking of hype. Some of the guys calling the Vikings pre season game. Went on to say the coach talked it up. And because of that and that NYJ play NE and the Ravens to start off. They could start off 0-2.

[spoon]

Speaking of hype. Some of the guys calling the Vikings pre season game. Went on to say the coach talked it up. And because of that and that NYJ play NE and the Ravens to start off. They could start off 0-2.

That was Rodney Harrison and he's right. I agree with that assessment, at best 1-1 with a lot of luck.

[K.C.]

NFC

Dallas 11-5*
Washington 10-6*
Philadelphia 7-9
New York 6-10

Green Bay 10-6*
Minnesota 8-8
Chicaago 8-8
Detroit 5-11

New Orleans 12-4*
Atlanta 10-6*
Carolina 7-9
Tampa Bay 3-13

San Francisco 9-7*
Seattle 9-7
Arizona 7-9
St. Louis 4-12



AFC

New York 10-6*
New England 9-7
Miami 9-7
Buffalo 3-13

Baltimore 11-5*
Cincinnati 10-6*
Pittsburgh 8-8
Cleveland 7-9

Houston 12-4*
Indianapolis 11-5*
Jacksonville 5-11
Tennessee 5-11

San Diego 9-7*
Oakland 8-8
Kansas City 7-9
Denver 7-9

Wild Card Round
Washington def. Green Bay
Atlanta def. San Francisco
San Diego def. Cincinnati
Indianapolis def. New York

Divisional Round
New Orleans def. Washington
Atlanta def. Dallas
Baltimore def. San Diego
Indianapolis def. Houston

Conference Round
New Orleans def. Atlanta
Baltimore def. Indianapolis

Super Bowl
Baltimore def. New Orleans



I HAVE SPOKEN!

[epo]

I wonder how a Trent Dilfer would match up, that winning SB might be spot on. It's something what hype can do.

Namath: 50.1% Accuracy, 173/220 TD/INT, 65.5% QB Rating, 1 Super Bowl
Dilfer: 55.5% Accuracy, 113/129 TD/INT, 70.2% QB Rating, 1 Super Bowl
Starr: 57.4% Accuracy, 152/138 TD/INT, 80.5% QB Rating, 2 Super Bowls, 5 NFL Championships.

[spoon]

Namath: 50.1% Accuracy, 173/220 TD/INT, 65.5% QB Rating, 1 Super Bowl
Dilfer: 55.5% Accuracy, 113/129 TD/INT, 70.2% QB Rating, 1 Super Bowl
Starr: 57.4% Accuracy, 152/138 TD/INT, 80.5% QB Rating, 2 Super Bowls, 5 NFL Championships.

Seems like a good look at a below average --> to average qb --> to a very good qb.

[Snacks]

Namath: 50.1% Accuracy, 173/220 TD/INT, 65.5% QB Rating, 1 Super Bowl
Dilfer: 55.5% Accuracy, 113/129 TD/INT, 70.2% QB Rating, 1 Super Bowl
Starr: 57.4% Accuracy, 152/138 TD/INT, 80.5% QB Rating, 2 Super Bowls, 5 NFL Championships.

so dilfer is better! wow Namath really doesnt deserve any of the respect he has gotten. What a piece of shit. With every stat that comes out he looks like more garbage then I have always thought!

[hanso]

LMAO :lol:

The SB games themselves.

Dilfer threw for 153 yards and a touchdown, with no interceptions.

Namath threw for 206 yards and no touchdown, with no interceptions.

[PigShitIrish]

God bless the Skins' fans. People nationally wonder why there's so much hate for McNabb here. It's because later in his career here he was constantly whining and making excuses, throwing team mates under the bus. Now he's blaming an official for not knowing the overtime rules and that time was running out in the infamous game in Cincinnati (which when interviewed post game admitted he himself didn't know the rules).


Do you regret being honest enough to say you were confused about the overtime rules?
The media wants you to be honest and up front with them, and then when you are, they just throw the dagger at you. "Oh, what was he thinking?" There were a lot of responses from other players who said the same thing I did, and then when the referee tells you, "Hey, you get another five minutes to go after this quarter…" Nobody talks about that.

You're in the game and the ref…?
We're in the game, and we go off on third and out, they're out there, and I'm like, "Hey, we need to get this thing going, how much time is left?" I'm looking at the clock and the ref is like, "We've got another five minutes after this quarter if no one scores." [Editors note: Yep, that's what he said. The NFL had no comment.] I didn't think nothing of it, but I did hear it. It was a mistake on my part. I've got to know the rules.

Read More http://www.gq.com/sports/guides/201009/nfl-preview-fall-2010-gq/donovan-mcnabb-extended-interview-eagles-redskins-qb?currentPage=3#ixzz0xY98EPbE


Oh, and he didn't throw up in the Super Bowl either.

[TripleSkeet]

If i were drafting a QB and a same age Mcnabb and Namath were available, I would take Donavan without even a second thought in my head.

NONE

Thats a ridiculous comparison. You are talking QB's from eras 40 years apart. The whole league was different then. They played a completely different game. Guys like Matt Leinart would have HOF careers if they played then. Thats why you cant compare him to Dilfer either. Its ridiculous.

And guess what, with the game on the line, 2 minutes left, down by 4, if I had to pick a QB in his prime Id take Namath over McNabb any day. As good as he is regularly he has no heart and is the opposite of clutch. See when they talk about guys WANTING the ball when the games on the line? Yea, thats not him. Redskins fans will learn soon enough.




Look at MLB, some say individual awards shouldn't go to players on teams not winning, especially MVP or the CY. To me that's a fucking joke bc they are ind awards and if they have their way it only adds more to the imbalance of the league bc accolades come much easier on teams that win often/spend money. To say Felix isn't a top Cy candidate in the AL is fucking comical...again, but he's on Seattle and people put way too much stock in wins versus actual pitching stats.

Here in NY you already hear all the CC for Cy talk, and he's in the picture no doubt, but everyone will pass by Felix bc of his record. He loses games constantly 1-0, 2-1 simply bc his team hits like Justjon at the softball game. It's easy to say wins are the equiv of rbis for pitchers. The most useless stat overall, but a huge influence over voters.

I agree with most of this, but there are exceptions. Steve Carltons Cy Young year of 1972 is the big one. Where he wins 46% of his teams games winning 27 out of there 59 wins. Thats a record that will NEVER be broken, by the way.

[Kevin]

So you would rather have a guy that throws more picks than TDs in the final 2min

Good luck with that..

[TripleSkeet]

So you would rather have a guy that throws more picks than TDs in the final 2min

Good luck with that..

Id rather have a guy with heart then one that just gives up. Better to have a guy risk a pick then someone thats just gonna throw at his recievers shoelaces.

As a Giants fan you dont seem to know much about McNabbs game. That surprises me.

[spoon]

Id rather have a guy with heart then one that just gives up. Better to have a guy risk a pick then someone thats just gonna throw at his recievers shoelaces.

As a Giants fan you dont seem to know much about McNabbs game. That surprises me.

How many times did McNabb get the Eagles with no receivers to the NFC championship game? How many times did Namath take the Jets anywhere? I'm not with you on this heart thing unless the line of demarcation is just drawn in the sand at one EXACT level bc this guy won a lot of division titles and got to many NFC championships with HUGE games to get there and usually no receivers. I've never seen a guy get zero credit for what he's done. It'd be the equivalent of Maddux, Smoltz and Glavien/Jim Kelly getting no credit bc of the final game, washing away everything they did helping their team get there almost every fucking year.

[Kevin]

Id rather have a guy with heart then one that just gives up. Better to have a guy risk a pick then someone thats just gonna throw at his recievers shoelaces.

As a Giants fan you dont seem to know much about McNabbs game. That surprises me.





So you would rather have a pick than an Incomplete pass? REALLY?


I know alot about his game.

He has always killed us.

He played hurt and like Spoon said, he spent the bulk of his career with shit WRs.

Its disgusting how under appriciated he is there.

[Tenbatsuzen]

He played hurt and like Spoon said, he spent the bulk of his career with shit WRs.

Its disgusting how under appriciated he is there.

One - for you being a Yankee fan who constantly complains about shit, this is hysterical. McNabb's appreciation with Philly fans was on par with A-Rod's pre-2009.

McNabb "played hurt"?

McNabb would cry if he had a hangnail, Namath could hardly fucking walk.

And shit receivers? Namath had Maynard. That's it.

If you want to compare Namath against the QBs of his time, that's fine.

For you to compare Namath to QBs of this era - and then compare him to one of the most athletic QBs of this era - is fucking insane and the height of WFAN-calling mouth breathing idiocy. The game is completely different.

I still can't believe you're having this discussion 3 days later. You have nothing better to talk about?

[spoon]

I still can't believe you're having this discussion 3 days later. You have nothing better to talk about?

It's a message board in which some people don't even log in 2-3 times a week. So yah, this is another stupid comment. Especially from the guy who seemingly reads People and frequents TMZ to chat like a little girl about celebrities. You love acting ABOVE arguments you can't win after the fact. Classic Tenbatsian move.

[Tenbatsuzen]

It's a message board in which some people don't even log in 2-3 times a week. So yah, this is another stupid comment. Especially from the guy who seemingly reads People and frequents TMZ to chat like a little girl about celebrities. You love acting ABOVE arguments you can't win after the fact. Classic Tenbatsian move.

I know you're trying to draw me out, but you do know Kevin 1) brought up McNabb in the first place and 2) posts nearly 1 post a day more than I do.

There is no winner in this argument - people who hate Namath have their feelings, people who like Namath have theirs. The fact of the matter is, the Board of Selectors, who know a little more about football than Kevin, etc. put Namath in. And it's not like they put him in 5 minutes after Super Bowl III, they put him in in 1985.

[spoon]

I know you're trying to draw me out, but you do know Kevin 1) brought up McNabb in the first place and 2) posts nearly 1 post a day more than I do.

There is no winner in this argument - people who hate Namath have their feelings, people who like Namath have theirs. The fact of the matter is, the Board of Selectors, who know a little more about football than Kevin, etc. put Namath in. And it's not like they put him in 5 minutes after Super Bowl III, they put him in in 1985.

I agree on most of this, but the board of selectors aren't always on the up and up and everyone here has made some solid points on Namath. To me he's in for reasons beyond stats, and it has it's place overall.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I agree on most of this, but the board of selectors aren't always on the up and up and everyone here has made some solid points on Namath. To me he's in for reasons beyond stats, and it has it's place overall.

You do realize that was my main arguing point why he's in, right?

[spoon]

And we've had this conversation before, that Namath's numbers are comparable to Len Dawson and Bart Starr, two QB's of Namath's era that are in the HOF.

People want to deride the pick numbers, but you cannot deny that he was part of the reason for the merger, one of the most important events in NFL History.

You also posted that first sentence as well preceding the merge point I agreed with.

Sort of like adding an earmark to the bill here, only it's the first/core part of ur argument.

[Kevin]

Look..

If you want to put him in for merger aspect... Fine..

Though he is even overrated in that aspect.

But fine he had a hand in it.

But what I will not stand for is this he is one of the greatest QBs of all time garbage.

He was a terrible QB and anyone who does not see it is blind.

[Tenbatsuzen]

But what I will not stand for is this he is one of the greatest QBs of all time garbage.



WHEN THE FUCK DID ANYONE EVER SAY THAT? NO ONE EVER DID.

[spoon]

Rex Ryan was thinking it...with a fuck thrown in there.

[TripleSkeet]

How many times did McNabb get the Eagles with no receivers to the NFC championship game? How many times did Namath take the Jets anywhere? I'm not with you on this heart thing unless the line of demarcation is just drawn in the sand at one EXACT level bc this guy won a lot of division titles and got to many NFC championships with HUGE games to get there and usually no receivers. I've never seen a guy get zero credit for what he's done. It'd be the equivalent of Maddux, Smoltz and Glavien/Jim Kelly getting no credit bc of the final game, washing away everything they did helping their team get there almost every fucking year.

Heres the story on McNabb, and this is the MAIN reason hes not appreciated in Philly. This is something nobody ever seems to understand and its the quality that seperates a very good quarterback (which he is) from a great quarterback (which he is not)....

He is the best QB in the world when you can get up by 2 touchdowns early. The problem is when the games on the line and you need a drive down the field with 2 minutes left to win the game...hes the LAST guy I would want. He doesnt have heart. Hes not a pressure guy. He wilts. Hes not a firey guy. He doesnt have that sense of urgency when the games on the line. Basically he looks like he gives up. And thats unforgivable in this city.

If you cant come from behind to win a game, youre not a great QB. And I dont give a fuck what anyone says, thats just the way it is. Jeff Garcia had more 4th quarter comeback wins in his 1 year starting here then McNabb had in his last 5 combined. Not saying I think hes better, but with McNabbs talent if he played with the same kind of never give up attitude he wouldve won over the fans.

You wanna give him all the credit for the Eagles success. Ok. I personally give alot of credit to the defense and later on to Brian Westbrook as well. And I give TO just as much credit for the 2004 season as McNabb.

You might not agree, but Im telling you the people that cant stand McNabb around here and are glad to see him go, thats why. Washington will learn that lesson the hard way as I dont see them blowing out alot of teams this year.

[Kevin]

WHEN THE FUCK DID ANYONE EVER SAY THAT? NO ONE EVER DID.



You fucking hear that shit ALOT

Fucking Costas had him TOP 3.

Where the fuck have you been?

[spoon]

I'm willing to bet right now that ur made up stat on Garcia in one year versus McNabb in 5 this very second. It's the norm of fans making something seem like it's true bc you never liked him from day one. Go find me those stats, bc I surely remember McNabb coming back often. I don't want some pigeon holed stat, I want year by year breakdowns versus the league if anyone can find that. Thanks. This smells an awful like Jeter's 5000 GIDP discussion.

It's less that Philly hates someone who gives up, it's that Philly loves to blame one guy for everything and give credit to everyone else.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You fucking hear that shit ALOT

Fucking Costas had him TOP 3.

Where the fuck have you been?

Oh really? I'm a huge Jets fan and I'm never heard him spoken of "the greatest of all time".

A flashy QB? Yes. Someone who put the NFL on the map? Yes. A very famous QB? Yes. Best of all time? Fucking hardly.

Show me where Costas had him in his top 3. I hate to say it, Spoon is right, you're becoming qen ëmbëlsira Bull.

[spoon]

15 fourth quarter comebacks, 23 game-winning drives (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=McNaDo00)
McNabb


12 fourth quarter comebacks, 19 game-winning drives (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=GarcJe00)
Garcia
Same amount of years exactly, few more games and better stats for McNabb on a team that usually is more likely to be in the lead going into the fourth.


12 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=BreeDr00)
Brees


29 fourth quarter comebacks, 43 game-winning drives (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=FavrBr00)
Favre did this in with twice as many starts.


I think this line of reasoning is surely contrived at best.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Garcia bangs this:

http://www.bustedcoverage.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/carmella-decesare.jpg

[spoon]

Garcia bangs this:

http://www.bustedcoverage.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/carmella-decesare.jpg

MAYBE?

I'm not so sure the label "beard" doesn't fit better. I met the guy, real nice too, but surely seems a little gay to me. I know he has kids too, but wow, so effeminate to say the least. He does a lot of charity work too, good guy off and on the field. So don't take this as I care one way or the other, just that the relationship seems odd and out of place. But wtf do I know.

[Tenbatsuzen]

triple fucking asian flu

[Kevin]

Wasnt she a WWE diva or something?

[TripleSkeet]

15 fourth quarter comebacks, 23 game-winning drives (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=McNaDo00)
McNabb


12 fourth quarter comebacks, 19 game-winning drives (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=GarcJe00)
Garcia
Same amount of years exactly, few more games and better stats for McNabb on a team that usually is more likely to be in the lead going into the fourth.


12 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=BreeDr00)
Brees


29 fourth quarter comebacks, 43 game-winning drives (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=FavrBr00)
Favre did this in with twice as many starts.


I think this line of reasoning is surely contrived at best.

Skewed numbers. Out of the 23 games listed only 9 times were the Eagles losing in the 4th quarter and McNabb drove to score a touchdown and win the game.

Sorry, but Im not gonna give him credit for games where they are tied or ahead going into the 4th and wind up winning it by a field goal.

You can present any numbers you want, I watched the guy play every game for the last 10 years. He doesnt have what it takes to be a champion. And I will bet anyone here anything they want that he will NEVER win a Super Bowl as a starting QB.

Also, anyone that puts Namath in the Top 3 all time is insane. Right now the Top 4 are Montana, Brady, Manning, Elway. Switch them around however you like but theres nobody that can knock those guys out of the Top 4.

[Kevin]

So the Giants had nothing to do with the Jets losing that game?

And Tenbats wonders why these douches are hated.

[spoon]

ok, ur willing to bet a guy at the very end of his career on a shitty team won't win a SB?! HA! What a gambler you are. The only guy you may want to speak to is Kevin. He's the only guy I know who likes odds like that.

Also, that proves nothing. I gave you stats. I propose the same bet for Brian Dawkins that fucking loser! :lol:

[spoon]

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[Snacks]

How many times did McNabb get the Eagles with no receivers to the NFC championship game? How many times did Namath take the Jets anywhere? I'm not with you on this heart thing unless the line of demarcation is just drawn in the sand at one EXACT level bc this guy won a lot of division titles and got to many NFC championships with HUGE games to get there and usually no receivers. I've never seen a guy get zero credit for what he's done. It'd be the equivalent of Maddux, Smoltz and Glavien/Jim Kelly getting no credit bc of the final game, washing away everything they did helping their team get there almost every fucking year.

I am right there with you. Although I still think he deserves a lot more of the blame in the TO situation because he was a bitch he really doesnt get much credit for how good he really is/was. It has always amazed me that shitty philly fans have booed him from day 1 and he can never do right in their eyes. no matter what he did they found something to shit on him about. I hope he beats the eagles both times this year and I hope he is the reason they get knocked out of the playoffs.


I know you're trying to draw me out, but you do know Kevin 1) brought up McNabb in the first place and 2) posts nearly 1 post a day more than I do.

There is no winner in this argument - people who hate Namath have their feelings, people who like Namath have theirs. The fact of the matter is, the Board of Selectors, who know a little more about football than Kevin, etc. put Namath in. And it's not like they put him in 5 minutes after Super Bowl III, they put him in in 1985.

do people really like Namath? Come on even Jets fans truly know the piece of shit player he was but they cant say it because he was the QB that won the only meaningful game in their miserable history

[Tenbatsuzen]

So the Giants had nothing to do with the Jets losing that game?

And Tenbats wonders why these douches are hated.

The show is about the Jets you dolt. Not an NFL documentary.

[Snacks]

Oh really? I'm a huge Jets fan and I'm never heard him spoken of "the greatest of all time".

A flashy QB? Yes. Someone who put the NFL on the map? Yes. A very famous QB? Yes. Best of all time? Fucking hardly.

Show me where Costas had him in his top 3. I hate to say it, Spoon is right, you're becoming qen ëmbëlsira Bull.

are you fucking serious? why do you think so many people hate Namath? It because he is talked about as an all time great when its not deserved. How can you be a Jets fan and say you never heard him mentioned that way? I think he is sometimes introduced as "One of the NFL's all time great QB's and Super Bowl 3 MVP, from the NY Jets Broadway Joe Namath"

I have heard that many times in my life. Trust me I wouldnt make it up because he is shit

[Tenbatsuzen]

do people really like Namath? Come on even Jets fans truly know the piece of shit player he was but they cant say it because he was the QB that won the only meaningful game in their miserable history

You sound like a twat. Did Bossanova take over Snacks' account or something? Argue like for real, not a Dolphins troll.

In answer to your question: I see more Namath jerseys at Jets games than I see Marino jerseys at Dolphins games... or Griese jerseys, for that matter.

[Kevin]

The show is about the Jets you dolt. Not an NFL documentary.



What?

What the fuck are you talking about?

They said the Giants had nothing to do with them losing.

It was all them.

[Snacks]

Wasnt she a WWE diva or something?

I dont know if she did that or not but she was a playboy playmate of the year. Tenbats couldnt have picked a worse picture of her if he tried. She is smokin hot but Garcia may be a little gay and she may be for show.

[Tenbatsuzen]

are you fucking serious? why do you think so many people hate Namath? It because he is talked about as an all time great when its not deserved. How can you be a Jets fan and say you never heard him mentioned that way? I think he is sometimes introduced as "One of the NFL's all time great QB's and Super Bowl 3 MVP, from the NY Jets Broadway Joe Namath"



Is he in the HOF? As a QB? Then yes, he's one of the NFL's all time great QBs.

Is he a Super Bowl MVP? Well, there's less than 50 of those, that's pretty fucking special too.

It's an argument of semantics.

Most Jets fans know that there are probably 20-25 QBs that are better than Namath when it comes to the overall package. He's liked because 1) he has a ring and 2) his personality.

Fuckin' Mercury Morris doing hair plug ads with Jimmy Hart and Chavito...

[Snacks]

You sound like a twat. Did Bossanova take over Snacks' account or something? Argue like for real, not a Dolphins troll.

In answer to your question: I see more Namath jerseys at Jets games than I see Marino jerseys at Dolphins games... or Griese jerseys, for that matter.

Youre nuts I never see Namath jerseys anywhere and I live in NJ. I still see Marino jerseys during Dolphins games and all over NJ when out watching games. I see more miami jerseys then jets jersey overall some sundays and Im in the Jets home area! Miami has a bigger fan base nationally then the Jets have and the Dolphins also have more players that were good enough to wear their jerseys then the Jets do.

[Tenbatsuzen]

What?

What the fuck are you talking about?

They said the Giants had nothing to do with them losing.

It was all them.

Yeah, because they let their third and second team D get smoked for 160 yards and 3 TDs by someone who was dropping Fries at a Wendy's in Worcester two weeks ago. Consider the Jets are built on D, that's a pretty big deal.

[Snacks]

Is he in the HOF? As a QB? Then yes, he's one of the NFL's all time great QBs.

Is he a Super Bowl MVP? Well, there's less than 50 of those, that's pretty fucking special too.

It's an argument of semantics.

Most Jets fans know that there are probably 20-25 QBs that are better than Namath when it comes to the overall package. He's liked because 1) he has a ring and 2) his personality.

Fuckin' Mercury Morris doing hair plug ads with Jimmy Hart and Chavito...

20 to 25 better? More like 100 QB that are better I could easily name 50!

[Kevin]

Yeah, because they let their third and second team D get smoked for 160 yards and 3 TDs by someone who was dropping Fries at a Wendy's in Worcester two weeks ago. Consider the Jets are built on D, that's a pretty big deal.



Did you even pay attention to the show?

They were talking about their offense sucking and said it wasnt the Giant D it was them making mistakes.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Did you even pay attention to the show?

They were talking about their offense sucking and said it wasnt the Giant D it was them making mistakes.

I was paying attention to the show, and what you are referencing was the carolina game, not the Giants game.

[Tenbatsuzen]

20 to 25 better? More like 100 QB that are better I could easily name 50!

Well, less than 50 have won Super Bowls and less than 25 are in the Hall of Fame.

Don't be a jackass.

[Snacks]

I was paying attention to the show, and what you are referencing was the carolina game, not the Giants game.

he is talking about last week and yes Rex said their 1st team looked good but their 2nd and 3rd teams looked like crap. I think he might have even said they couldnt do anything against their 1st team def and that the 1st team offense looked great or something like that.


Thats fat rex talking shit for no reason. he is a big self promoter and loves to tap himself on the back or blow his players whenever possible. thats why Reavis wants 160 million because he filled his head with shit!

[Snacks]

Well, less than 50 have won Super Bowls and less than 25 are in the Hall of Fame.

Don't be a jackass.

there are plenty of better QBs who never won a SB and there are plenty of QBs that arent in the hall but deserve to be and there are pleanty that are better then Namath but that doesnt mean they deserve the hall because Namath is in. What that means is Namath doesnt deserve to be anything but a visitor who pays to enter the HOF!

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, YA Tittle also threw more picks than TDs. In fact, he threw 1 more pick than Namath did.

KEVIN? WHERE ARE YOU, KEVIN? COME BACK TO ME, BUDDY!

[Kevin]

I was paying attention to the show, and what you are referencing was the carolina game, not the Giants game.



It was at the start..

Shotts said it..

[Tenbatsuzen]

Thats fat rex talking shit for no reason. he is a big self promoter and loves to tap himself on the back or blow his players whenever possible. thats why Reavis wants 160 million because he filled his head with shit!

Revis wants to be the highest paid CB in the league and Al Davis gave an exorbitantly overvalued contract to one of his players, which fucked the market. Revis wants more money than that, Woody acts like he doesn't want to pay it.

[Kevin]

BTW, YA Tittle also threw more picks than TDs. In fact, he threw 1 more pick than Namath did.

KEVIN? WHERE ARE YOU, KEVIN? COME BACK TO ME, BUDDY!



Like I give a rats ass about YA Tittle.

YA isnt being vastly overrated like Namath.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Like I give a rats ass about YA Tittle.

YA isnt being vastly overrated like Namath.

How is Namath being overrated? It's a bunch of giants and dolphins homos bringing up how they dislike him and he shouldn't be in the hall. It's not like I came on here screaming the awesomeness of Namath.

[Kevin]

YA Had a better QB rating..

Alot more TDs

And his TD pick diff was 9 not like 70 that Namath had...

Not even close.

[spoon]

Someone is changing the argument again....

[Kevin]

So a drunken Homer Simpson like Namath yells at a heckler in a bar that they were gunna win...

Which no media or anyone ever caught..

Then he goes out and has a pedestrian game..


THIS IS WHAT HE IS FAMOUS FOR?

[spoon]

don't forget the awful jacket

[Kevin]

don't forget the awful jacket



And the gay white shoes.

[Snacks]

Revis wants to be the highest paid CB in the league and Al Davis gave an exorbitantly overvalued contract to one of his players, which fucked the market. Revis wants more money than that, Woody acts like he doesn't want to pay it.

he wants 10 years 160 million, al davis only gave his DB 3 years 45 million. its because of fat rex that this is happening.

[spoon]

he wants 10 years 160 million, al davis only gave his DB 3 years 45 million. its because of fat rex that this is happening.

def part of it

instead of shutting his big fat mouth or at least chalking it up to a team effort, Revis this Revis that. Now they have to pay him based on Rex's mouth. I bet if he doesn't keep yapping, he fills that fat mouth constantly so perhaps this is a good thing.

[TripleSkeet]

ok, ur willing to bet a guy at the very end of his career on a shitty team won't win a SB?! HA! What a gambler you are. The only guy you may want to speak to is Kevin. He's the only guy I know who likes odds like that.

Also, that proves nothing. I gave you stats. I propose the same bet for Brian Dawkins that fucking loser! :lol:

Ive been saying this since 2005. Every year he played for Philly I wished I was wrong, but deep down I knew what he was, and that he couldnt bring us a ring. I dont care if Washington trades him to New Orleans, New England or Indy, it doesnt matter, he wont ever win a ring as a starter.

Those stats were skewed and you know it. Theres a big difference between picking your team up and driving down the field to come from behind to win...and coming in tied and having your kicker kick a 45 yarder to win it.

If Donovan had 1/5th the heart of Dawkins hed have at least 1 ring right now.

I am right there with you. Although I still think he deserves a lot more of the blame in the TO situation because he was a bitch he really doesnt get much credit for how good he really is/was. It has always amazed me that shitty philly fans have booed him from day 1 and he can never do right in their eyes. no matter what he did they found something to shit on him about. I hope he beats the eagles both times this year and I hope he is the reason they get knocked out of the playoffs.


What did he do that deserves unconditional love in Philly??? In 3 of the 4 NFC Title games they lost he had a chance to put the Eagles ahead with a game winning drive at the end of the game. He couldnt. Same for that 2004 Super Bowl that they GAVE AWAY to New England.

Fuck almost. You dont get unconditional love around here for almost. Dan Marino and Jim Kelly wouldve endured the same shit had they played here. Sorry but this isnt the city of "Oh well, at least you got us in the playoffs every year!!!" Fuck that. A real NFL pro would understand that and use it as motivation to try and win, he was just a pussy crybaby that sat on his hurt like an old girlfriend just waiting to bring it up whenever he was criticized.

While I never agreed with those that booed him at the draft or at the beginning of a game without giving him a chance, the ones that booed him after losing big games where he had chances to win and failed were completely justified.

[Snacks]

Ive been saying this since 2005. Every year he played for Philly I wished I was wrong, but deep down I knew what he was, and that he couldnt bring us a ring. I dont care if Washington trades him to New Orleans, New England or Indy, it doesnt matter, he wont ever win a ring as a starter.

Those stats were skewed and you know it. Theres a big difference between picking your team up and driving down the field to come from behind to win...and coming in tied and having your kicker kick a 45 yarder to win it.

If Donovan had 1/5th the heart of Dawkins hed have at least 1 ring right now.



What did he do that deserves unconditional love in Philly??? In 3 of the 4 NFC Title games they lost he had a chance to put the Eagles ahead with a game winning drive at the end of the game. He couldnt. Same for that 2004 Super Bowl that they GAVE AWAY to New England.

Fuck almost. You dont get unconditional love around here for almost. Dan Marino and Jim Kelly wouldve endured the same shit had they played here. Sorry but this isnt the city of "Oh well, at least you got us in the playoffs every year!!!" Fuck that. A real NFL pro would understand that and use it as motivation to try and win, he was just a pussy crybaby that sat on his hurt like an old girlfriend just waiting to bring it up whenever he was criticized.

While I never agreed with those that booed him at the draft or at the beginning of a game without giving him a chance, the ones that booed him after losing big games where he had chances to win and failed were completely justified.

what do you think phillys record would have been without him? would they have even made it to 4 nfc title games if they had someone different? teams are always looking for a starting QB that can last for 7-10 years and give them a chance to play for a super bowl. your team was lucky to have that in him. you talk like miami is a city that has no history or expects to win and philly is an organization that always win and will accept nothing less. Sorry but miami has been to the super bowl 5 times and is the winning-est franchise in nfl history (they may be tied or down a game to dallas now). what has philly ever done before mcnabb? They have been an avg organization at best. they went to 1 super bowl before him and the city of Philadelphia isnt known as a city of winning. Expectations seem a little high for a team and a city that has never done much.

[TripleSkeet]

what do you think phillys record would have been without him? would they have even made it to 4 nfc title games if they had someone different? teams are always looking for a starting QB that can last for 7-10 years and give them a chance to play for a super bowl. your team was lucky to have that in him. you talk like miami is a city that has no history or expects to win and philly is an organization that always win and will accept nothing less. Sorry but miami has been to the super bowl 5 times and is the winning-est franchise in nfl history (they may be tied or down a game to dallas now). what has philly ever done before mcnabb? They have been an avg organization at best. they went to 1 super bowl before him and the city of Philadelphia isnt known as a city of winning. Expectations seem a little high for a team and a city that has never done much.

So we should just be happy to be in the playoffs? Thats loser talk. Its not that his contributions arent appreciated, but dont expect us to build you a statue when you havent won a championship. Theres no difference between making the Super Bowl and losing 10 years in a row and finishing dead last 10 years in a row...at the end of the day, you are both losers. The fucking guy wanted a coronation for having a good season and it doesnt work that way.

Doesnt matter how good your season is, if you dont win the trophy, you get a pat on the back and thats it. Nobodys gonna kiss your ass for being 2nd or 3rd best, not in this town anyway. Thats something he was never able to comprehend.

[cougarjake13]

So a drunken Homer Simpson like Namath yells at a heckler in a bar that they were gunna win...

Which no media or anyone ever caught..

Then he goes out and has a pedestrian game..


THIS IS WHAT HE IS FAMOUS FOR?



he's 1960s trent dilfer

[Barnaby Jones]

So we should just be happy to be in the playoffs? Thats loser talk. Its not that his contributions arent appreciated, but dont expect us to build you a statue when you havent won a championship. Theres no difference between making the Super Bowl and losing 10 years in a row and finishing dead last 10 years in a row...at the end of the day, you are both losers. The fucking guy wanted a coronation for having a good season and it doesnt work that way.

Doesnt matter how good your season is, if you dont win the trophy, you get a pat on the back and thats it. Nobodys gonna kiss your ass for being 2nd or 3rd best, not in this town anyway. Thats something he was never able to comprehend.

You're a fan of Namath, so what do you know?!?!

"Namath" should be the new n-word!

[Kevin]

You're a fan of Namath, so what do you know?!?!

"Namath" should be the new n-word!



Yo, this new QB we got is a fucking Namath!

[Kevin]

he's 1960s trent dilfer



You fucking apologize to Trent Dilfet, RIGHT NOW!

[TripleSkeet]

You're a fan of Namath, so what do you know?!?!

"Namath" should be the new n-word!

Im actually not, at least not for what he did on the field. But Ill always love that Suzy Kolber interview. I just feel he deserves to be in the hall. QB of the team that pulled off the biggest upset in Super Bowl history? Brashly predicting the win beforehand? Winning a game that set up the merger for what has become the NFL of today? Yea, I got no problem with him being there.

[hanso]

That was Rodney Harrison and he's right. I agree with that assessment, at best 1-1 with a lot of luck.

Which game do you think they have a better shot at winning? Bal. or Ne?

[Kevin]

This new ump positioning rule is fucking retarded.

[Barnaby Jones]

Im actually not, at least not for what he did on the field. But Ill always love that Suzy Kolber interview. I just feel he deserves to be in the hall. QB of the team that pulled off the biggest upset in Super Bowl history? Brashly predicting the win beforehand? Winning a game that set up the merger for what has become the NFL of today? Yea, I got no problem with him being there.

That's nuts! He deserves to be in the Hall just for talking shit? He's not even the reason they won!

[TripleSkeet]

That's nuts! He deserves to be in the Hall just for talking shit? He's not even the reason they won!

Lets remember this is my opinion we are talking about.

No. With his career without that game, I wouldnt give it to him. But the fact he pulled the biggest upset in Bowl history which changed the league forever gets him there. That game was historical. And as the QB he gets the credit, regardless of his stats for the game. Thats how football works. Hes the leader of his team. He gets credit for the win...blame if they lose. It may not be fair but so is life.

Ill tell you what, if Eli Mannings is an "on the fence" hall of famer when his careers over, that Super Bowl win over the Patriots puts him in as far as Im concerned.

To me I value wins over stats. The bigger the better. Thats why Joe Montana is the greatest QB of all time and I dont even put Dan Marino in the Top 5.

And also, yea I give ALOT more credit to someone that talks shit beforehand and then goes out and backs it up.

[TheGameHHH]

This new ump positioning rule is fucking retarded.

what exactly is it and how does it effect the game? Ive only watched like 30 minutes of football so far this preseason and I've heard announcers talking about it twice but I have yet to understand what exactly is occurring.

[Kevin]

what exactly is it and how does it effect the game? Ive only watched like 30 minutes of football so far this preseason and I've heard announcers talking about it twice but I have yet to understand what exactly is occurring.



Basicaly you have to look at the left sideline for the ref to give you the ok to snap the ball..

It takes away from the qb focous.

Plus you cant rush and snap the ball anyone during close plays because the back ump has to place the ball THEN get into position.

Its a cluster Fuck.

[hanso]

The one behind the set up is said to be able to catch anything that the offence is doing. The Redskins might not have won their last SB had this been used back then. As the line was holding on almost every play.

[TripleSkeet]

The one behind the set up is said to be able to catch anything that the offence is doing. The Redskins might not have won their last SB had this been used back then. As the line was holding on almost every play.

Theres holding on every play of every game anyway. They dont miss it. They just allow most of it unless its really obvious because people dont want football games that go 6 hours.

But not being able to rush to the line? How will this effect 2 minute drills???

[Kevin]

I know this is pre season..

But Mark Sanchez looks fucking terrible.

[parkway_jesus]

I know this is pre season..

But Mark Sanchez looks fucking terrible.

I have it on good authority he was always terrible.

[parkway_jesus]

And also, yea I give ALOT more credit to someone that talks shit beforehand and then goes out and backs it up.

Wow, even I have to call that out as dumb. Arrogant and cocky, sure. HOF, stupid.

[Kevin]

I have it on good authority he was always terrible.



Just like Namath.

[hanso]

Doesn't Costas say he never called the game? Then goes on to say he was great? And I think he said he had a hangover.

[hanso]

Bobby Layne was a good drunk QB. He played hungover, and did it good.

[TripleSkeet]

Wow, even I have to call that out as dumb. Arrogant and cocky, sure. HOF, stupid.

I didnt say he deserved to be in the HOF because of that, ass. I said I give him alot of credit because he talked a HUGE game, and then came out and did exactly what he said.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I know this is pre season..

But Mark Sanchez looks fucking terrible.

I agree on this, but the running game looks like it's gonna be great. Perhaps an adjustment of the offense is in order.

[epo]

Bobby Layne was a good drunk QB. He played hungover, and did it good.

If we are going to start rewarding drunks, Viking QB Tommy Kramer wants his due.

[hanso]

I agree on this, but the running game looks like it's gonna be great. Perhaps an adjustment of the offense is in order.

LT could be, but I bet Green or whoever else is there will get it more.

[Tenbatsuzen]

LT could be, but I bet Green or whoever else is there will get it more.

They are calling the running game "Ground and Pound" - LDT and Greene.

LDT has shown flashes of greatness in the preseason, and if everyone is going 100% in the regular season, it could be absolutely wonderful.

We'll see.

[Kevin]

They are calling the running game "Ground and Pound" - LDT and Greene.

LDT has shown flashes of greatness in the preseason, and if everyone is going 100% in the regular season, it could be absolutely wonderful.

We'll see.



The problem here is.

Although LT and your other HBs are looking real good.

Until Sanchez consitantly shows that he can make them pay by stuffing the line to stop the run, they will continue to put 8 9 guys there..

Sanchez is the key to your entire team..

And as of now, thats not looking like a positive..

[Tenbatsuzen]

The problem here is.

Although LT and your other HBs are looking real good.

Until Sanchez consitantly shows that he can make them pay by stuffing the line to stop the run, they will continue to put 8 9 guys there..

Sanchez is the key to your entire team..

And as of now, thats not looking like a positive..

hahahahah... a giants fan calling him LT... you fucking queerbait

[Kevin]

hahahahah... a giants fan calling him LT... you fucking queerbait



Whatever..

Thats his nickname.

Everyone knows who the real LT is, so who cares.

[Snacks]

hahahahah... a giants fan calling him LT... you fucking queerbait

I think everyone calls him LT! I have never once seen LDT anywhere except by you. I would use LT, but thats just me!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think everyone calls him LT! I have never once seen LDT anywhere except by you. I would use LT, but thats just me!

It's actually a Simmons reference, one I agree with. It's kind of like, when a nickname is associated with one person, it's kind of stupid to re-associate it with another one, especially in the same sport.

I'm not a Giants fan, but I respect what LT did on the field. I think it's silly to me to call another player the same nickname.

[Snacks]

It's actually a Simmons reference, one I agree with. It's kind of like, when a nickname is associated with one person, it's kind of stupid to re-associate it with another one, especially in the same sport.

I'm not a Giants fan, but I respect what LT did on the field. I think it's silly to me to call another player the same nickname.

Too bad those are his initials not a nickname. I have no problem calling him LT. Fat ass Chris Berman goes by the name Boomer and his fast ass has never played a sport in his life but there are other boomers out there.

[hanso]

The last time that LT was relevant. Is when he was busted for crack.

[Kevin]

The last time that LT was relevant. Is when he was busted for crack.



Or with a 16yr old...

[Tenbatsuzen]

Too bad those are his initials not a nickname. I have no problem calling him LT. Fat ass Chris Berman goes by the name Boomer and his fast ass has never played a sport in his life but there are other boomers out there.

The only fucking people who call Berman "Boomer" are the people lapping his ass at ESPN. NOBODY calls him Boomer outside of ESPN talking heads.

When people say Boomer, it's Esiason.

[Snacks]

The only fucking people who call Berman "Boomer" are the people lapping his ass at ESPN. NOBODY calls him Boomer outside of ESPN talking heads.

When people say Boomer, it's Esiason.

and the only people calling LT, LDT is you for reasons that escape most people.

[Kevin]

Anyone who uses the term "queerbait"...

Well.....

[spoon]

They are calling the running game "Ground and Pound" - LDT and Greene.

LDT has shown flashes of greatness in the preseason, and if everyone is going 100% in the regular season, it could be absolutely wonderful.

We'll see.

OH GOD HOW FUCKING GAY....AGAIN. Not only do you have yet another overblown, not even close to earned nickname...you then go and call LT LDT as if a fucking nickname is owned. How many lefties, pudges, and initial based nicknames have been used time and time again. So fucking stupid I can't even begin to comprehend it. Yes, the guy who made his name in football bc he was allowed to do unimaginable amounts of drugs/coke and didn't feel a thing and played like a madman for one of the ORIGINAL douchebag/loudmouth coaches. You have to be kidding!? Got that everyone, if your name is charlie, chuck has been taken and can't be touched ever again either. Only a fucking girl would even care AT ALL!

[spoon]

hahahahah... a giants fan calling him LT... you fucking queerbait

Just when I didn't think you could be more of a little girl, there you go and take it to the next fucking level. Congrats.

[spoon]

Whatever..

Thats his nickname.

Everyone knows who the real LT is, so who cares.

THEY DIDN'T EVEN PLAY CLOSE TO THE SAME ERA and DIFFERENT POSITIONS IN DIFFERENT LEAGUES!? I can't believe some of the shit I'm reading. I guess this site isn't impervious to the WFAN delusion.

I hear the new nickname for Sanchez at QB is Scudd Tosser. YEAH, nickname. Use their fucking actual names and initials. Try it, you'll sound like a fucking man for once Matty. Well maybe not that far TMZ kid.

[spoon]

I think everyone calls him LT! I have never once seen LDT anywhere except by you. I would use LT, but thats just me!

Thank you for not being a little 13 year old girl about it.

[Judge Smails]

I say we start calling him Ladandycakes Tomlinson.

[spoon]

It's actually a Simmons reference, one I agree with. It's kind of like, when a nickname is associated with one person, it's kind of stupid to re-associate it with another one, especially in the same sport.

I'm not a Giants fan, but I respect what LT did on the field. I think it's silly to me to call another player the same nickname.

INITIALS! Holy fuck he's using his initials on another coast 25 years later!!!! WHYYYYYYY!!?!!?

[spoon]

I say we start calling him Ladandycakes Tomlinson.

:lol:

I'm not a fan right now either obviously but this is so stupid!

[spoon]

LDTcakes!?

Tomlincakes?

[spoon]

The only fucking people who call Berman "Boomer" are the people lapping his ass at ESPN. NOBODY calls him Boomer outside of ESPN talking heads.

When people say Boomer, it's Esiason.

says the idiot

There are COUNTLESS Boomers out there. I guess they didn't read your rulings O Judge of nicknames and all things TMZ.

[Tenbatsuzen]

says the idiot

There are COUNTLESS Boomers out there. I guess they didn't read your rulings O Judge of nicknames and all things TMZ.

Name 5.

[hanso]

I hear the new nickname for Sanchez at QB is pud flosser.

Fixed

[Tenbatsuzen]

Here, I'll do it for you:

People

* Chris Berman, an ESPN sportscaster nicknamed "Boomer"
* Boomer Esiason, a former National Football League quarterback
* Boomer Phillips, a comedian and television personality
* George Scott (first baseman), a Major League Baseball player nicknamed "Boomer"
* David Wells, a Major League Baseball pitcher nicknamed "Boomer"
* Linwood Boomer, a Canadian television producer and actor

Outside of Wells, I've never heard of anyone on this list besides Berman.

Oh, and Grace Park.

[Tenbatsuzen]

It really shows how incredibly oversensitive and completely dumb Snacks, Spoon, and Kevin are, that a simple post of trash talk turns them into whining homos. And yes, all of you are. You turned a simple thing about LT's fucking nickname into something completely overblown.

Kevin, your dumbass opinions and Spoon going off the fucking deepend for any opinion is what has killed any possibility of sports "conversation" on this board.

[hanso]

Tmz had NYJ owner Woody Johnson get out of a cab. Then asked him about Darrelle Revis. They said he is so broke he takes cabs and can't afford him. Or he is saving up to do so. It might be on their website

[spoon]

It really shows how incredibly oversensitive and completely dumb Snacks, Spoon, and Kevin are, that a simple post of trash talk turns them into whining homos. And yes, all of you are. You turned a simple thing about LT's fucking nickname into something completely overblown.

Kevin, your dumbass opinions and Spoon going off the fucking deepend for any opinion is what has killed any possibility of sports "conversation" on this board.

Oh the rest of us who aren't girls have many great conversations time and time again. It's vaginas like you who turn everything into gay nickname convos and constant drama bc ur a sad sad man. Yes, it's everyone else Tenbats. Not the hundreds of people who can't stand you here on a daily basis and all those that left as well. You're supremely hated in every way and have the final say in nothing at all.

Love the diversion tactic. Bottom line, you're an ass.

[Jayw]

It really shows how incredibly oversensitive and completely dumb Snacks, Spoon, and Kevin are, that a simple post of trash talk turns them into whining homos. And yes, all of you are. You turned a simple thing about LT's fucking nickname into something completely overblown.

Kevin, your dumbass opinions and Spoon going off the fucking deepend for any opinion is what has killed any possibility of sports "conversation" on this board.

Simple thing? Spoon has a valid point here. He's right yet you don't agree with im. Ever think you are completely wrong? Only thing I have read that makes sense are what kevin and spoon said.

Step 1 for you : check your own terrible rambling.

[spoon]

Tmz had NYJ owner Woody Johnson get out of a cab. Then asked him about Darrelle Revis. They said he is so broke he takes cabs and can't afford him. Or he is saving up to do so. It might be on their website

I heard he called him the island too, and it's now deserted. Have fun with papa cromartie making one arm slap tackles at one corner and the other getting burned all day. Good luck with that and the combo of LT averaging 2.9 yards per carry and at least 2 picks a week for SANCHIZE.