Does anyone else hate tree hugging protesting idiots [Archive]

Girlfezzie

01-30-2002, 04:09 PM

I hope they all get a nice NYPD beat down! I HATE THEM. Bunch of spoiled little shitbags who go to college ( thanks to mommy and daddy's money) and than turn around and bitch about situations going on in OTHER countries. They should be fucken deported to a military country like Chile and see how fun it is to HAVE NO BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS, let alone Protesting rights!!!

Finally!! I got my Pinellis Park Pervert designation under my name and all I got for it was this lousy t-shirt!!!

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PortugueseMark

01-30-2002, 04:10 PM

The trouble with us radicals is that we never give up and we'll never go away. So complain all you want, there are hundreds of thousands of us all over the world, and we know where to buy gas masks, how to throw tear gas back at cops, and how to stand up for our beliefs.

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DarkHippie

01-30-2002, 04:10 PM

ok, i'm gonna try to explain this situation as best i can (being the resident treehugging hippie)

1)the WTO, WTC and IMF are effectively giant loansharks. They loan 3rd world countries money and charge very high interest. the countries take the money because they are so desperately poor. Many of these countries can never pay them back, hell they can barely pay back the interest. All of their budgets go into paying back these organizations, meaning very little for health, education, etc.

these loans also give the wto and co heavy influence in the government. they pull the strings, allowing opportunistic companies like NIKE to pull out of the USA and into . . . say . . . Mozambique or Mexico, where if they pay 1 cent an hour for workers, its a fortune to them.

so we lose jobs, 3rd world people get paid shit and live in it, and the rich keep gettin richer.

It happens in the USA too. GE was almost able to block the cleaning of the hudson by threatening to pull out of the upper hudson valley and capital region, where they employ something like a third of all people there.

so you can hate us if you want, but there is a method to our madness.

PS: the vandalism is caused by a group called "the black bloc." they are anarchs who hop onto any cause to start trouble. they are NOT with us

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PortugueseMark

01-30-2002, 04:17 PM

Right on my brother.
UAW LOCAL 1981 Representin'

PS -- Chile is a democracy, not at all a military regime.

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dicAMan

01-30-2002, 04:20 PM

erole

01-30-2002, 04:21 PM

Whoa! When that Red Wood falls, it makes one hell of a sound! What the...what...oh, look at that I crushed - a Spotted Owl. I gots my dinner tonight. Mmm Mmmmm.

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DarkHippie

01-30-2002, 04:30 PM

Capitalism, and big business is good for the US and good for the World

I absolutely agree, but globalization is not capitalism. globalization will put all the power in the big corps, choking out smaller businesses, even governments.

free trade= good. but what they want will kill capitalism and create an oligarchy. That is what we protest.

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dicAMan

01-30-2002, 04:31 PM

no you protest because that is what you think the "little people" want, what they really want is jobs which the corperations provide, you try to take a job away from a mexican and it is your funeral.

Hippies Smell!! How can you take someone serious if the haven't bathed in 2 months.

DarkHippie

01-30-2002, 04:41 PM

that is a load of bull, if the corperating weren't there providing jobs the people in those counties would be much more poor than they are and more repressed by there governments not the corperations.fuck you all you bleeding heart tree fucking liberal hippie buckets of puke could suck on it!

why are you so angry? am i not allowed to have a point of view? and why do pacifists make people so violent? We endure to make a difference. we endure because we believe. and all we get are disgusted looks and tear gas.

you don't have to respect the cause, but respect the will behind it. I'd do the same for you.

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PortugueseMark

01-30-2002, 04:45 PM

GE recently announced, according to BusinessWeek Mag., that they will be moving factories from Mexico (which had been moved from the US) to China to reduce costs. How sad. Not only will things stay bad for unemployed Americans, but now crime, unemployment, and desperation will increase in Mexico, where it was already bad. And this will of course effect the US. When will this end? Maybe soon all the jobs will be in prisons (like microsoft does in Seattle) and we'll have to commit crime to get a job!?

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Fat Guy

01-30-2002, 04:47 PM

but globalization is not capitalism. globalization will put all the power in the big corps, choking out smaller businesses, even governments.

With all due respect I fell that you and your hippy friends are way to paranoid. Let progress and big business do what they must and we will all benefit from higher living standards, improved technologies, etc. These giant companies will have to hire people worldwide benefiting most, you will always have poor people that's just the way it is.

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DarkHippie

01-30-2002, 05:10 PM

well put, fat guy, but i disagree. It is far better to be wary of those in power, than to turn a blind eye, trusting in human nature.

Marx trusted in human nature. He thought that the workers would be able to co-exist with each other. the sovient union proved him wrong, because those in power ruled with the proverbial iron fist.

Power is more addicting than a heroin pizza

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poop tosser

01-30-2002, 05:14 PM

The cops are ready for these hippies I work two blocks from timesquare and ther are cops on every corner

LET'S GO RANGERS

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DarkHippie

01-30-2002, 05:19 PM

the cops should be watching out for the black bloc. they'll be wearing black ski masks, and they like fire . . . alot.

Hippies--true hippies-- are no threat, except to your nostrils

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Fat Guy

01-30-2002, 05:21 PM

It is far better to be wary of those in power

Don't under estimate the small to medium sized business's they operate without such strict guidelines and are quicker to adapt to change this helps to keep big business in check not protesters. Work within the system not outside protesting in the cold against it.
Don't get me wrong I trust no one but competiton and inovation will keep big business in check.

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angrymissy

01-30-2002, 05:40 PM

I work for a major corporation. It's the best job I've ever had, they treat me great. You have the right to protest, but I don't agree with you, and the last protests were VIOLENT. Don't fuck with the NYPD.

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Se7en

01-30-2002, 05:49 PM

I just find all of these protests to be silly attempts to recreate the culture of 60s. Only this group of bored little rich college kids WON'T be changing the nation / world.

I support the right to protest, but there's a couple things to consider:

1. If you mess with a cop, and that even includes calling them names, you're pretty much asking for an ass-beating. Those guys are high-strung enough withour your Rage-Against-The-Machine loving ass screwing with them. Wait, didn't Rage sell out? Of course, EVERYONE HAS.

2. You hippies REALLY make it hard to like you. I knew a LOT of hippies in college, and trying to have a conversation with them was like having teeth pulled.

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DarkHippie

01-30-2002, 05:59 PM

Hold on, what makes you think we want to mess with the cops? We don't like violence, especially when its against us. And there wasn't violence at the last protest in Quebec.

btw: the protesters aren't just rich college students. we cross all races, religions, and economic backgrounds, because we realize that everyone will be affected.

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Koose

01-30-2002, 06:27 PM

You protest materialism yet you are on a personal computer and are fans of a radio station that is owned by a huge company.

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DarkHippie

01-30-2002, 06:30 PM

*sigh* i do not protest materialism. I am in favor of capitalism. Have you paid attention to anything that i've said. these corporations do not want capitalism. that would mean competition for them. they want to be the only game in town.

make sure you know what you're talking about before you pull the hypocrite card and look like an ignorant jackass

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erole

01-30-2002, 06:34 PM

Look at me, look at me, in the middle of a burning red wood forest. (I'm dancing and eating Spotted Owl with Owl gut and blood dripping from my mouth)

happy happy, joy joy

DarkHippie

01-30-2002, 06:39 PM

i hear baby seal's really good with spotted owl. they make a good stew

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erole

01-30-2002, 06:51 PM

Let me tell you how to make a Hoot-n'-annie Flapper

1 part baby seal
1 part spotted owl
10 parts vodka
none of that lime/lemon crap on the friggin' glass
blend well
best if served warm

happy happy, joy joy

The Good the Bad and the Argyle

01-30-2002, 07:02 PM

PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) recently came up with a clever little plan: they thought they ought to dress up about 405 deer from Ohio hunting land in bright orange vests figuring hunters wouldnt shoot them because this is the same color that the hunters themselves wear. Well a guy named Guy Lockley, the owner of Guy's Hunting decided he would give a reward for each of these vests returned. In all 308 of these deer where killed. Hunting them was especially easy because they were wearing orange! Just show's how short sighted and foolish peta is.

Jay_C

01-30-2002, 07:07 PM

I say they should give every NYPD officer a plunger and let them take out some aggression on those douchebag protesters!!! If that doesn't stop them I am in favor of shipping their stupid asses to the third world country of their choice and not letting them back here for a month!!! After that, I seriously doubt they'll want to do anything but thank their lucky stars for how well they have it here!!!

JustinR

01-30-2002, 07:50 PM

Do most of these people even know what they are protesting about? In seattle many people just came to protest.

Its ok to have freedom of speech, but your concept is a bit disorganized and uncentralized.

I wont be going to midtown this week. Im afraid the police will mistake me for being a protestor. (me being black)

Maybe we can have a counter rally. That would be funny.

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ThePointer

01-30-2002, 08:30 PM

Hippie :
One little thing you forgot. The poverty you think you are protesting is caused by the local and national corruption inherent in their leaders.
Why don't you go to those countries and protest that?
Ohh I forgot. Those countries would not allow you to say a word against them. Shoot on sight!!

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FUNKMAN

01-30-2002, 08:40 PM

quote [Hippie :
One little thing you forgot. The poverty you think you are protesting is caused by the local and national corruption inherent in their leaders.
Why don't you go to those countries and protest that?
Ohh I forgot. Those countries would not allow you to say a word against them. Shoot on sight!!

Like we are not the ones that assist in the corruption of them leaders...
Answer me this...
We have child labor laws in this country but wouldn't you say it is hypocritical when US Companies take their manufacturing operations to some of these countries knowing that their are children making these goods and people are paid just enough to keep them alive, practically...
What type of profits would be expected if they kept their manufacturing in the US, and had to pay people a decent dollar? NO! The shareholders wouldn't stand for it...
The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, it can't go on forever, people are gonna fight back at some point...

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The Blowhard

01-30-2002, 08:50 PM

NYC has been through enough shit, and the NYPD are caught in the middle of this. If you wanna protest, organize voter registration drives and kick the bums out. If not, take your protests to Berkeley, or join Greenpeace and drown.

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DarkHippie

01-30-2002, 09:36 PM

Hippie :
One little thing you forgot. The poverty you think you are protesting is caused by the local and national corruption inherent in their leaders.

perhaps, but you're overlooking the fact that developing countries owe more than 2 trillion dollars to lenders in industrial countries. This leads to situations like in uganda, where 17$ in debt repayment was paid for every 3$ spent on health care. they can't help it, they're deep in debt. countries've tried reforms to get more money in, even CHARGING FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND HOSPITAL USE (before even using the hospital), but the debt is still too high. it creates a vacuum that sucks big companies (and our jobs) right down there to make the big bucks.

yes, the nypd are stuck in the middle, and it sucks. they shouldn't have to deal with this. but that's no reason to incite violence.

as they chanted in Quebec: we're not violent, how bout you?

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IkeaBoy

01-30-2002, 10:10 PM

Dark Hippie, if you could make $100,000 by giving Paco 30 cents a day down in Columbia, would you HONESTLY not take it? HONESTLY? It's stupid, your protesting makes more people angry with you than agreeing with you, and I mean COME ON, you don't have a specific purpose, and you just look like fools. You buy the Sony products, you wear the Nikes, you support the corporations as much as the rest of us.

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FiveB247

01-30-2002, 10:29 PM

Ok first off..for anyone to start name calling is ridiculous...Stupid,angry college kids? Chances are those protestors are more inteligent than all of you calling them childish names.

Secondly, you're sitting here making fun of people (idealists) who recognize certain problems in the world and would like to change it for the Betterment Of All. Not all environmentalists are tree huggers, nor are all issues brought up by these people are significant. But for anyone to say anything negative about them is silly. You may not agree with them, but how many of you sitting at home can say they are contributing to something worth-wild or significant? I'd bet not many.

I am a member of Amnesty International. And I proudly believe in human rights for everyone in the world and the end of the death penalty. For many of you, you'd rather just ignore issues, problems, and concerns just to be the selfish, greedy people that the world sees us as. That's why America is hated by most of the World. (that, money and our life-style/culture)

But regardless, you don't stop protests from happening, nor do you poke fun at what you do not comprehend!
If you want to live in a place that stops protests and disallows alternative perspectives, move to China.

Ps...The violence is caused by Anarchists, not idealists.

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PortugueseMark

01-31-2002, 02:18 AM

I was in Quebec City, Washington and Genova for each of those famous battles. I say battles because its the best way to describe it: Police using insane means of violence, beating, gas, rubber bullets, water cannons -- it may seem harmless but many were injured. My best memory is of a huge group of senior citizens in Quebec, they were singing protest songs and marching with their hands linked. A few minutes later they were consumed in a cloud of tear gas - all these people ages 60+ treated as if they are committing some crime. I think their only mistake was thinking they live in a truely open and free society. I don't think we've reached that point yet, maybe someday.

OH, and for those that have been asleep for 30+ years. Where are all these countries where people get shot for voicing their opinions? I can think of very few. I can assure you that on any continent you have the right to protest and people most definately exercise that right. Right now in Australia, Argentina, Phillipines, US, France, hell even in Zimbabwe people are standing up for their rights as workers, citizens, and humans. So please, stop with that boring old cold-war philosophy that we're the only demoracy and the only free country. Fact is, we're neither the first nor the last. Just one of them. For all the good and all the bad.

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angrymissy

01-31-2002, 06:17 AM

Those guys are high-strung enough withour your Rage-Against-The-Machine loving ass screwing with them.

Oh god that made me laugh out loud. DOWN WITH HIPPIES! I'M PROTESTING HIPPIES WOO HOO. The best thing I ever saw on TV was a video from the Seattle protests where some hippie was dressed up like a turtle, and he was getting maced by a cop. Oh yea that was KILLER!

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angrymissy

01-31-2002, 06:24 AM

Oh I will say that I acted just like these hippies from maybe age 14-17 - Then once I got into the real world and had to work (my parents couldn't afford college for me, hell we couldn't afford heat most of the time) I realized I love this fucking country and everything it represents. If there is any violence, these protesters should be maced, beaten and locked up. How dare they put more unnessecary stress on NYC's police force, and economy after 9/11.

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furie

01-31-2002, 06:24 AM

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DarkHippie

01-31-2002, 06:48 AM

yeah! how dare we stand up for what we believe in! How dare we exercise our rights! what were we thinking!

listen, we do this because WE BELIEVE IN AMERICA. I am a Patriot, and will be till my final breath. I love this country, i love what it stands for, and i'll be damned if i let a bunch of rich, faceless, powerhungry corporations take control!

ok, maybe i'm idealistic. maybe i'm unreasonable. maybe i'm asking for a beatdown. but so was Jefferson. so was ghandi. so was King. So were the freedom Riders (they were northeners who rode a bus across the South to see if the stations were truly integrated) The idealists raise the bar so that everyone else will feel comfortable sliding under it.

I've seen what the big companies can do. Look at Newburgh, look at Poughkeepsie, look at Kingston. all dead cities because IBM realized it could make more money by moving to foriegn soil. GE poisoned our river, IBM split with our jobs, and it will perpetuate itself over and over, as they imperialize third world nations into their own little fifedoms.

so i'm sorry you're inconvenienced, but there's more at stake here than your mid-town drive

(I'm sorry if i'm pissing anyone off, but i take this very seriously)

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fatty

01-31-2002, 07:03 AM

after reading all of this i think hippie and fiveb are making pretty good points. it's easy to bash hippies but if they are standing up for what they believe in then good for them. they have their reasons and are backing them up, to me it seems as if they mean no harm to anyone. they don't want to bother anyone, they just want their opinion heard, so if they are willing to protest then fine with me. it has nothing to do with parents money, or trying to re-live the 60's, it's about believing in something. i don't think they plan or bothering the cops or inciting a riot, it's the idiots that do so that give them all a bad name. "hippies" are just like everyone else, some good, some bad, some smart, and some f'n idiots. don't judge them all together because that is discrimination, which everyone agrees is complete ignorance. whether you agree or disagree, don't get mad until something bad happens like a riot or cops being insulted, until then let them speak their opinion and if you don't care leave them alone.

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angrymissy

01-31-2002, 07:14 AM

I am not denying anyone's right to an opinion, or the right to protest. The problem is, these Economic Forum protests have almost always turned violent (Seattle, WA), and I don't think that is what the city needs right now. I also have the right to my opinion, and I don't live in Manhattan, so this is not "affecting my morning drive" I just don't like it when people protest against capitalism - I grew up dirt poot and pulled myself out of it by working hard for some great corporations, and I know that my company has a lot of charitable things for the world and the US.

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DarkHippie

01-31-2002, 08:02 AM

well, i understand that alot of you don't agree with me. I understand. but i will be there, and hopefully there will be no violence. I only ask that you wish the best for me, or at least safety

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IkeaBoy

01-31-2002, 08:56 AM

change comes through protestWhat exactly's going to be changed? Do you think the CEO of Starbucks will go all Grinch seeing someone angry with daddy holding a sign saying "You try living on 15 cents a day"?i'll be damned if i let a bunch of rich, faceless, powerhungry corporations take control!too late.

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DarkHippie

01-31-2002, 09:13 AM

its never too late

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IkeaBoy

01-31-2002, 09:31 AM

America is a corporate country, always has been, the rich have always been powerful and WILL always be powerful because even if there is a revolution human nature itself is that of greed and power. The corporations fund the campaigns, make the equipment needed and wanted, make public policy and basically can do anything they want.

Saying "it's not too late" just makes you sound like a naive idealist, nothing wrong with that of course.

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DarkHippie

01-31-2002, 09:54 AM

this type of thing (economic reform) has been done successfully in the past. In the early 1900s, when people began unionizing, did anyone think it possible? And now, could you imagine a country without them. they fought hard for those rights and they won. How about the anti-trust laws of the late 1800s. The big monopolys were defeated by grass roots movements such as ours. and women's rights, civil rights, all were believed impossible, but they succeeded.

We realized that the corporations aren't going to get all grinch on us. But our goal is to win over the people. ultimately, we still have the power, but only if there are enough of us.

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"what do we do now," said the girl bunny. "we're still trapped in here."
"that's ok," said the boy bunny. "we'll just stay in here till we outnumber 'em" --Woody Guthrie

someday we will outnumber 'em

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furie

01-31-2002, 10:08 AM

ikeaboy,
would anything without conflict? no. change only comes with conflict.

i've never protested,and there's never been a bigger tool of the Man than me. but i believe that protests serve a bigger purpose than simply serving as an outlet for 1st ammendment rights of hippies.

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Chet

01-31-2002, 10:24 AM

IkeaboyT, you are quite correct. Also, there has never been a true Revolution and there never will be. All the revolutions in the past were basically a transference of power, so in essence, there was never a true revolution.

Do these protestors really think that they're going to prove a point? Even if I agreed with their ideology, I still don't think protesting has ever helped any special interest group. The strikes by the Miners and Autoworkers (I'm just using them as a more recent example, because the same comparison could be used against the Soviets, Chinese, French, etc..) have proven that no matter how desperate your plight is against being manipulated, enslaved and repressed, when you are finally given power, you become just as corrupt and ruthless as your former oppressor (remember Jimmy Hoffa?). Now the union is a bunch of self-serving, corporate puppet, yes-men that have somehow forgotten what their founding fathers were fighting for (sounds a lot like the American Revolution, huh?)

The history of the Corporate Elite and the Political Oligarchy have always been about subverting and controlling the masses (vis-…-vis religion, warfare, taxes, feudalism, etc...) into doing their bidding - nothing has ever changed and it never will. I don't blame the people in power for taking advantage of the situation, because the human race has always been a gullible, igorant species that never really wanted to learn from history and the lessons that it has taught them. We want to be told what to do and what to think, and the people in power give it to us.

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IkeaBoy

01-31-2002, 10:25 AM

here's a hint hippy, blocking midtown traffic on a weekday as people are trying to get home from work while wearing stupid costumes holding stupdi signs IS NOT WINNING OVER THE PEOPLE. you t hink that people will become enlightened? No. too many people care about getting their walkmans and stereos at low prices so they'll never be anti-corporation like you're hoping and wishing and praying they'll be.

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Doogie

01-31-2002, 12:21 PM

Dont worry you can all point out the hypocracy in a few years when they are all working for big buisness or banks. Then wont they feel a little silly about that arrest at the WTO...what do you think though the NYPD will do?? Think they will roll over like the wimps from Seattle or go balls to the walls if those people act up in the least??

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Doogie

01-31-2002, 01:02 PM

I must quote Micheal Crichton. I quote from pg 311 of the Lost World (Hardcover) . Ian Malcolm is describing why dinosaurs became extinct and how humans will too at current rates...

Complex Animals can evolve their behavior rapidly. Changes can occur very quickly. Human Beings are transforming the planet, and nobody knows whether it's a dangerous development or not. So behavioral processes can happen faster than we usually think evolution can occurs. In ten thousand years human beings have gone from hunting to farming to cities to cyberspace. Behavior is screaming forward, and it might be nonadaptive. Nobody Knows. Although personally, I think cyberspace means the end of our species

It means the end of innovation, this idea that the whole world is wired together is mass death. Every biologist knows that small groups in isolation evolve fastest. You put a thousand birds on an ocean island and they'll evolve very fast. You put ten thousand on a big continent, and the evolution slows down. Now for our own species, evolution occurs mostly through our behavior. We innovate new behavior to adapt. And everybody knows the innovation only occurs in small groups. Put three people on a committee and they may get something done. Ten people, and it gets harder. Thirty people, nothing happens. Thirty million, impossible. Thats the effet of mass media-it keeps anything from happening. Mass media swamps diversity. It makes every place the same. Bangcock or Tokyo or London: there's a McDonalds on one corner, a Benneton on another, a Gap across the street. Regional differences vanish. In a mass-media world, theres less of everything except the top ten books, records, movies, ideas. People worry about losing diversity in the rain forest. but what about intellectual diversity-our most necessary resource?? Thats dissappearing faster than trees. But we havent figured that out, so now we are planning to put five billion people together in cyberspace. It'll freeze the entire species. everything will stop dead in its tracks. Everyone will think the same thing at the same time. Global Uniformity.

I see some of the points of the protesters through this quote, but do something besides protest. Innovate!!! Build or do something, rather than wine about it, please...for the sake of humanity

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DarkHippie

01-31-2002, 01:10 PM

well put doogie!! you make a fine sifu. right now our main goal (at least mine), though, is to get the information out. I'm not an innovator, i'm a wordsmith (and a mediocre one at that) but how many people, just from reading this thread, now know a little more about the situation? they may not agree, but now they have the information. they can make their own choice.

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Doogie

01-31-2002, 01:31 PM

I'm not an innovator, i'm a wordsmith (and a mediocre one at that)

Not to be insulting towards ya hippie, but we have too many people like that anymore. We need people that do things...I do my best in life to be a doer. I am always working on ways that we can better ourselves, whether it be a new way to teach people or what not...work on things around the house that would water my garden better (yes I grow my own veggies). Which I have developed using heating pipes and circulate water at intervals in the summer. Uses less water through a storage system that is similar to how gas stations store there tanks... Innovation and invention make things easier to understand in the world. That is why I sympathize with your cause, but you have to understand that many of us have friends or families who are NYPD. We have been through a lot in this city and people are a bit concerned about your group. I understand what it is you are protesting and have been saying that corporations are Anti-Capitalist. But many people do not understand that...and that is what must be spread in this world, understanding. I think you have done a good job of presenting your case, especially in the face of large objections to your view. And i hope that other people of this board see the other sides point of view without hurling insults at each other...

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DarkHippie

01-31-2002, 02:14 PM

are you sure you're from rockland. I've lived here a long ass time and most rocklanders would've just laughed at me or tried to kick my ass.

i guess i'm just frustrated at all the apathy that's going round. and the people who truly do care, get ridiculed for it. I want people to care, whether they agree or not. i want them to know the situation, that we're not just stoned hippies looking to recreate an idealized past (in reality, who would want to live through those times again?).

I read the news today, and even they had no idea what we were protesting. it seems that everyone is up in arms about the protest, but no one knows the issues at stake.

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Koose

01-31-2002, 03:09 PM

Nothing is ever going to come from these hippies actions. Grow up and except the Social Darwinism.

IkeaBoy

01-31-2002, 03:26 PM

I read the news today, and even they had no idea what we were protesting. it seems that everyone is up in arms about the protest, but no one knows the issues at stake.you're making it sound as if without the protests something major will happen, like the fate of the world's at stake.

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Doogie

01-31-2002, 03:28 PM

I have to agree that there really is no agenda being stated by these people. You present a few good points Hippie, but your group doesnt...all they say is that they are against large companies and that is it. If we had somethignt o actually listen too from the head of the protesters maybe there would be an audience...
I know there is a negative image from the mass-media, but it is your responsibility to make the public aware of what it is you are for/against. Not just show up in NYC and expect a welcome reception... That is what this group needs. Goals and Objectives, some PR wouldnt be bad either...

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PortugueseMark

01-31-2002, 03:36 PM

Yeah... just look at what a nice job the big corporations did in Newark, Paterson, Chester PA, Akron, OH, Camden, Lawrence, MA, on and on... by all means add in all the Long Island cities that have abandoned - i mean imporoved by big business.

A large group of workers, businessleaders, politicians, and non-gov. orgs agreed that the protests weren't enough. They started the People's Economic Forum (I messed up the title there, buts its something like that) In its second year, in Porto Allegre, Brasil, this shadow meeting has attracted hundreds of thousands of people, including the United Nations. There goal is- while the mighty and powerful have their meeting, the "people" have their own. Where they can develope strategies to combat the destruction of our world and our lives because of greed. They get together to prevent (or try) to prevent more ENRONS... a bigger scandle than any Whitewater, Watergate, or Teapot-Dome.

Here in Europe both meetings are heavily talked about. On the street, in the newspapers, on television. Apathy hasn't struck everyone... not yet.

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DarkHippie

01-31-2002, 03:49 PM

its hard to take an issue like this and distill it into a few tasty soundbites. i wish that i could explain all the facets of this.

the best way to explain it is that every symptom that i have mentioned comes from the same cause: that the financial power in this world has coagulated into the hands of a scant few. These mega-corporations work together through summets (like the one this week) and organizations like the WTO to create fertile ground for their businesses; by manipulating laws (i.e. the fiasco with canada, where we were sued for millions by the WTO for refusing to sell a canadian gasoline outlawed in the uSA for its cancer causing properties, we caved, that gasoline is now sold here), by "debt relief" and "currency bailouts" i.e. Mexico and the peso. and by moving to third world countries, where they can utilize cheap (and child)labor without having to worry about labor laws.

we are doing what was done in the 1900s, but on a worldwide scale. Hopefully we will succeed again.

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DarkHippie

01-31-2002, 03:51 PM

portugesemark, you give me hope. tomorrow I'll be marching for you, and all of our brethren in europe, africa, and all over the world.

i know it sounds lame, but i'm flushed with pride

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erole

01-31-2002, 04:00 PM

I just ate a great big bowl of beans. I'm going outside to release my flatulence upon our precious O-zone layer. I expect the lower portion of South America to be covered in water from the melted ice in Antartica.

You should have seen what I did today...I took this baby seal, right. I started petting it and loving it, and then I wacked it with a dolphin fin. Smacked that seal bitch up good. I ripped off it's skin, and cut one piece off for a shower cap. The rest I used as a bumper cover for my car.

but seriously...

all i'll say is that i'm for freedom of speech and freedom of assembly...as long is it is in the confines of civility. i would give a group a second chance because that's what i would want people to do for me. i also wouldn't let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch. at the same time i wouldn't call the kettle black. but always keep in mind that a stitch in time saves nine. and never, ever let them see you sweat. most importantly, with a name like smuckers, it's got to be good jelly.

Gaia is the master of digital manipulation!

iscream22

01-31-2002, 04:01 PM

I believe exactly what that 1 caller said, we need to protest against protesting because its so stupid....

Woah, does that sound f'ed up.

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Doogie

01-31-2002, 06:09 PM

I have to say to you DarkH, Good luck tommorow. And the luck goes towards getting your message across. Perhaps more people will listen to the message that you bear...May you have good health and well being in your endeavor

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DarkHippie

01-31-2002, 06:21 PM

thank you very much.

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peteregg

01-31-2002, 06:26 PM

tree huggers suck

veganpunk1

01-31-2002, 09:32 PM

DarkHippie and PortugeseMark, I support the cause 100% and I'll be there with you on Saturday. The posts from some of the others on the board has only strengthened my resolve. As it was once said "Who's the real patriot, the Archie Bunker slobs waving flags? Or the people with the guts to work for real change.

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IkeaBoy

01-31-2002, 10:24 PM

but you DON'T work for real change. You stand out there with signs, screaming without a clear goal. You succeed more in getting people to hate you then changing people's minds.

And abusive labor in third world countries is always cool

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DarkHippie

02-01-2002, 04:28 AM

And abusive labor in third world countries is always cool

Oh,of course, if it weren't for horrible conditions there, they wouldn't move here, and we wouldn't have yankey crankey shops.

human rights vs hand job: hand job always wins

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Doogie

02-01-2002, 06:09 AM

Well the orgy destroyed Rome, so the handy will destroy us I suppose...

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IkeaBoy

02-01-2002, 11:43 AM

human rights vs hand job: hand job always winsand this is surprising because...?

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Koose

02-01-2002, 01:23 PM

Peta is the stupidest organization out there. YEAH GRISHA!!!

deycalmynamezbil

02-02-2002, 07:25 PM

I heard on the news tonight that the reps from the Economic Summit were gonna go down to Ground Zero...if these retards protest down there everyone one of them should be arrested!

I'm gonna cross the street now!!

IkeaBoy

02-02-2002, 07:46 PM

I heard on the news tonight that the reps from the Economic Summit were gonna go down to Ground Zero...if these retards protest down there everyone one of them should be arrested! what's the theory "WTC had trade in the name and trade is bad so destroying the Trade Center Destroyed Trade!!"

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Koose

02-02-2002, 08:41 PM

These protesters dont think anything thru and i hope they all get thrashed.

The Game

02-02-2002, 08:45 PM

Those punk-ass hippie's are scared now that the NYPD are ready for them to try something. After all we been through in N.Y., the cops will take their agression on some stupid college kid.

Stand Back!!! There's a Hurricane coming!!!

IkeaBoy

02-02-2002, 09:17 PM

Game, then you'll have a lawyer saying that the the cop only beat the protestor because he disagreed with his beliefs and that the cop is some how racist and promoting facism.

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Doogie

02-03-2002, 07:59 AM

the cops will take their agression on some stupid college kid.

Does anybody remember the reputation that the NYPD had before Sept 11?? It wasnt the most positive, as a matter of fact the image was so bad that they had to postpone the test for new cops cause the enrollment was so low.
Now all of a sudden in light of Sept. 11 the NYPD is back in the good graces of people again (how long this will last is a matter for history). I think the cops are making a concsious effort to not take there aggression out on the protesters and allow them there first amendment right. At least till they become distracting and disrupting, which the 1st Amendment does not allow. The NYPD are showing that a few bad eggs will not ruin the reputation for the rest (referring to cops that go bad). That there are good, honest, hard working people out there that want to have an honest living and allow the citizens of the city to enjoy the same...God Bless the NYPD.

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