Kill the Ground Zero Mosque

[spoon]

I'd agree with you if the thing was AT Ground Zero, but its 2 & a half blocks away, is NOT within sight of even the farthest north corner of the site, so NO the evil Muslims won't be dancing on the World Trade Center site . You can go a half block from another building in Manhattan,and never know its there. Besides, once the Repubs are done stirring the shit up for the election, you'll be AMAZED how everybody will suddenly become tolerant. Do the Conservatives have anything besides fear & money to campaign on?

You pretty much nailed it, as some others have in here earlier. It's all just ANOTHER bullshit fringe issue sparked by the repubs bc they NEVER have policy or substance to run on. All they offer right now is NO to anything Obama and the Dems put up for debate or a vote and constant fear mongering. All they have left is this pseudo patriotism and fear tactics, who in their right mind might actually have a platform outside of generic bullshit lies such as smaller gov. Let's all be honest, W said the same (along with his congress and senate repubs) and look what he did. Sorry, I hate both parties overall, but the Dems are certainly the lesser of evils right now. Still, in places like NJ, the Repubs are bc we need new policy and Christie actually had a clear platform and ideas, most of which I don't disagree with in these times and factoring the road NJ has traveled over the last few terms.

[spoon]

http://indyposted.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Mosque-Near-Ground-Zero1.jpg

I can't believe they also let those dirty Amish set up a market so close as well! I have it on good authority that they made the butter churns used by the hijackers for use in the gay bars they liked to frequent! The horror!

Oh and nice! I received my MBA from the University of Phoenix and was their starting QB and Goalie for their football and hockey team respectively! I'm now in their internet school ring of honor stadium! I was inducted by the sneezing panda. What an awesome time had by all. My family weeps every time we view that silly panda's vid.

[spoon]

it is a PART of ground zero
the landing gear of the plane piloted
by mohammed atta crashed
into this site

the "right-wing" does not
need to gin this up...
regular, normal Americans
are really pissed off about this

It's NOT part of ground zero. Just stop. Do you even live in the area? Or are you another loud person from outside the area all upset about some non-issue for the rest of us that actually live here and simply don't know better? I can't possibly imagine anyone would think that two blocks north of the WTC is part of the WTC. Is the whole flight pattern now the designated WTC/ground zero area?

And I've never seen anything to ever substantiate that the landing gear crashed there. Does anyone have info on this bc it smells fishy but I admittedly have no reason to believe it at this point? Please link it if it's true bc the physics just don't seem possible.

[Serpico1103]

I can't believe they also let those dirty Amish set up a market so close as well! I have it on good authority that they made the butter churns used by the hijackers for use in the gay bars they liked to frequent! The horror!

Oh and nice! I received my MBA from the University of Phoenix and was their starting QB and Goalie for their football and hockey team respectively! I'm now in their internet school ring of honor stadium! I was inducted by the sneezing panda. What an awesome time had by all. My family weeps every time we view that silly panda's vid.

The Amish hate our way of life.

Glad you added "respectively", I was confused.

[spoon]

If they're pissed about this then they're being foolish!

This isn't some new addition to NYC! These are long-time residents and members of the community who were affected and terrified by 9/11 just like every other citizen of NYC! If we use your tenuous logic, then there's really nowhere they could build a new center since debris from 9/11 basically coated the entire area! Trolling troll is desperate!

That's just it, it's not some crazy notion in nyc that many people and religions live together and don't have any issues with the others. It's been decades upon decades of living together and I doubt many really take issue here outside the actual family's that are understandably overreacting. It's our place and duty not to let things get out of hand and freedoms slashed as a reaction to another wrong. This issue just needs to go away bc it's a fucking joke.

[SinA]

I'm generally a pacifist, but in this case I think the people who are "outraged" in opposition to the Islamic Community Center should be dragged into the street and have their eyeballs kicked into their craniums.

[KnoxHarrington]

Some Republicans are beginning to fear that all the "Ground Zero Mosque" (sic) nonsense is going to hurt them in the end, because it deflects attention away from the issue President Obama and the Democratic Party is probably actually most vulnerable on, the economy:

Some Republican strategists fear the debate is a distraction from the economic issues on which Obama and the Democrats are most vulnerable. It also risks reinforcing the perception of the Republican party as intolerant of minorities which may further damage it in states with a high proportion of Hispanic voters. It also risks alienating adherents to other minority religions.

A rising Republican star, Chris Christie, the governor of New Jersey, has accused both the major parties of "playing politics with this issue, and I simply am not going to do it".

"We have to bring people together and what offends me the most about all this is that it's being used as a political football by both parties," he said.

It seems to me that Republican strategy these days is grabbing onto whatever silly topic will get the rubes all pissed off, but the problem with that is this: if I'm so offended by the "Ground Zero Mosque" that I will refuse to vote for a Democrat, was there any chance I was going to vote Democrat anyway? Are all these strategies inflaming and firing up people who were going to vote for you anyway, and driving away people who might because they don't respect a party wasting so much time on stupid bullshit like this?

It might lead to short-term wins in November, but I think that, ultimately, the Republican Party is mortgaging its future to try to keep the votes of some hayseeds now.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/18/ground-zero-mosque-republican-attacks

[keithy_19]

And I've never seen anything to ever substantiate that the landing gear crashed there. Does anyone have info on this bc it smells fishy but I admittedly have no reason to believe it at this point? Please link it if it's true bc the physics just don't seem possible.

I'm pretty sure that some parts of the plane landed on Reade Street. I believe Reade street is about five blocks from where the towers were. Granted, I'm not taking into account the trajectory of the planes when they hit.

[spoon]

What is there to resolve? They own the property and have the RIGHT to build on it.

Maybe you think Rose Parks should have met with mayor of Montgomery and worked out the issue. And I'm sure if a poll was done when Parks sat in the front of the bus an overwhelming majority of people would have said she was wrong...

Exactly right...and sad even looking back.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm generally a pacifist, but in this case I think the people who are "outraged" in opposition to the Islamic Community Center should be dragged into the street and have their eyeballs kicked into their craniums.

Then their bodies slapped with shoes and sandals!!!

[spoon]

I could care less what they build or where, but it is a travesty that religious buildings pay no taxes, get city garbage pickup and even get the "religious facilty" rate on their con-ed bill. Tax the church man

Oh I so agree here too!

[Serpico1103]

And I've never seen anything to ever substantiate that the landing gear crashed there. Does anyone have info on this bc it smells fishy but I admittedly have no reason to believe it at this point? Please link it if it's true bc the physics just don't seem possible.
Decent article showing plane shrapnel. (http://www.zimbio.com/Linda+Brown/articles/-WR7OwK3DBB/There+no+airplane+wheel+assembly+Burlington)

[keithy_19]

Oh I so agree here too!

Wasn't Jesus angry because they were collecting taxes in the church? I don't think he'd mind if they had an outside company keeping the books.

[Serpico1103]

Some Republicans are beginning to fear that all the "Ground Zero Mosque" (sic) nonsense is going to hurt them in the end, because it deflects attention away from the issue President Obama and the Democratic Party is probably actually most vulnerable on, the economy:



It seems to me that Republican strategy these days is grabbing onto whatever silly topic will get the rubes all pissed off, but the problem with that is this: if I'm so offended by the "Ground Zero Mosque" that I will refuse to vote for a Democrat, was there any chance I was going to vote Democrat anyway? Are all these strategies inflaming and firing up people who were going to vote for you anyway, and driving away people who might because they don't respect a party wasting so much time on stupid bullshit like this?

It might lead to short-term wins in November, but I think that, ultimately, the Republican Party is mortgaging its future to try to keep the votes of some hayseeds now.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/18/ground-zero-mosque-republican-attacks

This is the party that picked Palin as a VP. Like they needed an ultra right wing nut to keep the base from voting for a black liberal inexperienced president.

[Misteriosa]

That's just it, it's not some crazy notion in nyc that many people and religions live together and don't have any issues with the others. It's been decades upon decades of living together and I doubt many really take issue here outside the actual family's that are understandably overreacting. It's our place and duty not to let things get out of hand and freedoms slashed as a reaction to another wrong. This issue just needs to go away bc it's a fucking joke.

but thats the best part. i dont know how many other people lost family members here besides myself. ive stated a bunch of times that im ok with this community center being built. however, others have been talking about how its important to be "sensitive to 9/11 families and their wishes" and when this 9/11 family member makes her wishes known, its not acknowledged. that is not to say that i speak for everyone. i certainly do not, but i know that im not alone in my support for this:

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edit: btw, this guy is former bush administration solicitor general ted olson. he's no librul tree hugger

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why is this still being argued? Alex Jones said it was an inside job. No need to discuss this people. Move along.

[badmonkey]

It's NOT part of ground zero. Just stop. Do you even live in the area? Or are you another loud person from outside the area all upset about some non-issue for the rest of us that actually live here and simply don't know better? I can't possibly imagine anyone would think that two blocks north of the WTC is part of the WTC. Is the whole flight pattern now the designated WTC/ground zero area?

I think the imam is a dirtbag, but I'm not so sure I really care about the mosque. If they own the property and want to build a memorial for and name it after the hijackers from 9/11 and hold an annual party every Sept 11th to commemorate the attack....they can do what they want on their property as long as it doesn't violate any laws. People also have the right to be offended by anything that they find offensive.

Having said all of that, I really only quoted you because what you said reminded me of this discussion.

http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75070

[spoon]

I'm pretty sure that some parts of the plane landed on Reade Street. I believe Reade street is about five blocks from where the towers were. Granted, I'm not taking into account the trajectory of the planes when they hit.

Thanks Keithy, I'm only asking bc I've never really read anything specifically linked to the landing gear outside of Dude!'s claims and I'm not one to just take his word on it based on his prior posts. It may very well be true, but I'd much rather see the proof in some form first.

[spoon]

Decent article showing plane shrapnel. (http://www.zimbio.com/Linda+Brown/articles/-WR7OwK3DBB/There+no+airplane+wheel+assembly+Burlington)

Thanks serp. Unreal that both landing gear debris ended up being shot out the other side of both buildings and cleared a few blocks each. Does this mean they were actually down as they hit? It just seems sooo fucking odd it happened twice.

[angrymissy]

There is an organization of families that is speaking out, but the media hasn't really been covering it...

http://www.peacefultomorrows.org/

but thats the best part. i dont know how many other people lost family members here besides myself. ive stated a bunch of times that im ok with this community center being built. however, others have been talking about how its important to be "sensitive to 9/11 families and their wishes" and when this 9/11 family member makes her wishes known, its not acknowledged. that is not to say that i speak for everyone. i certainly do not, but i know that im not alone in my support for this:

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edit: btw, this guy is former bush administration solicitor general ted olson. he's no librul tree hugger

[spoon]

I think the imam is a dirtbag, but I'm not so sure I really care about the mosque. If they own the property and want to build a memorial for and name it after the hijackers from 9/11 and hold an annual party every Sept 11th to commemorate the attack....they can do what they want on their property as long as it doesn't violate any laws. People also have the right to be offended by anything that they find offensive.

Having said all of that, I really only quoted you because what you said reminded me of this discussion.

http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75070

Sum it up for me bmonk, thread is too long for a simple point. I'm not too sure what you mean by it.

[CurseoftheBambi]

but thats the best part. i dont know how many other people lost family members here besides myself. ive stated a bunch of times that im ok with this community center being built. however, others have been talking about how its important to be "sensitive to 9/11 families and their wishes" and when this 9/11 family member makes her wishes known, its not acknowledged. that is not to say that i speak for everyone. i certainly do not, but i know that im not alone in my support for this:

edit: btw, this guy is former bush administration solicitor general ted olson. he's no librul tree hugger

Sarah Palin should speak to you ...if only so you could slap her.

[keithy_19]

Thanks Keithy, I'm only asking bc I've never really read anything specifically linked to the landing gear outside of Dude!'s claims and I'm not one to just take his word on it based on his prior posts. It may very well be true, but I'd much rather see the proof in some form first.

I'm going to correct my statement. The planes engine was found on Chambers street, which is four blocks from the trade centers. That area was shut down for awhile due to all the damage that had been been done, as well as them finding body parts of people from the towers.

Reade Street also had debris from the trade centers as well as plane parts. I only know this because my dad works on Reade Street.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I think the imam is a dirtbag, but I'm not so sure I really care about the mosque. If they own the property and want to build a memorial for and name it after the hijackers from 9/11 and hold an annual party every Sept 11th to commemorate the attack....they can do what they want on their property as long as it doesn't violate any laws. People also have the right to be offended by anything that they find offensive.

Having said all of that, I really only quoted you because what you said reminded me of this discussion.

http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75070

I didnt go thru the full thread but didnt WMT want to build a megastore by pier 40 and W. Sidw Hwy? and it was struck down?

[badmonkey]

Sum it up for me bmonk, thread is too long for a simple point. I'm not too sure what you mean by it.

Basically a local Virginia community wants to put in a Wal-Mart nearby. The location for the Wal-Mart is near a historic battlefield. People from other states weigh in by signing petitions and coming down there to protest because they think that they know better than the stupid hayseeds that live there what their community needs and they feel that the Wal-Mart would tarnish the historic location.

Sorry about that. I should have summarized or scanned the thread for a decent post that summarized it.

[Zorro]

Basically a local Virginia community wants to put in a Wal-Mart nearby. The location for the Wal-Mart is near a historic battlefield. People from other states weigh in by signing petitions and coming down there to protest because they think that they know better than the stupid hayseeds that live there what their community needs and they feel that the Wal-Mart would tarnish the historic location.

Sorry about that. I should have summarized or scanned the thread for a decent post that summarized it.

It's America people get to do and say what they want.
Pro or Con mosque, Wal-Mart, casino whatever. People should be able to express their opinion no matter how stupid or ill informed without the fear of government intimidation.

[Barnaby Jones]

BM, why is the imam a "dirtbag?"

[Serpico1103]

BM, why is the imam a "dirtbag?"

An imam (Arabic: إمام plural أئمة A'immah‎, Persian: امام) is an Islamic leadership position,...

[Kevin]

An imam (Arabic: إمام plural أئمة A'immah‎, Persian: امام) is an Islamic leadership position,...



Eh, Thats not totaly what an Imam is..

Its more like the equal to a priest in Islam..

Does funerals, weddings, blessings and such...

[Zorro]

Even Dean waivering

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/former_vermont_ground_howard_dean_TVP6FsmlsCkAwfWk cZgGkP

But it is from the Post so who knows whats real

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Im waiting to hear Bloomberg call Pelosi Un American because she wants to investigate people opposed to the Mosque.

[badmonkey]

Guess it's not so simple as the opposition of just a bunch of rednecks, hayseeds and rubes that don't understand Islam and blame all muslims for 9/11.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/06/06/a_mosque_at_ground_zero/

Of particular interest are the views of leading Muslim moderates — Muslims known for their commitment to tolerance and pluralism, and for their opposition to all forms of radical Islam.

One such individual is Zuhdi Jasser, a physician, US Navy veteran, and founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy.

Equally opposed is Stephen Suleyman Schwartz, a devout Muslim and director of the Center for Islamic Pluralism in Washington.

Ali al-Ahmed, a Saudi native who founded the Institute for Gulf Affairs and is an advocate for civil rights and religious freedom in the Middle East, hopes for the best from Cordoba House. “A mosque should be a good thing,’’ he told me. But he worries about the number of Americans who may be “hurt and upset’’ by the project, and wonders whether a mosque is really the best thing for Muslims to build so close to ground zero. Why not something less emotionally charged, he asks — a social-service agency, perhaps, or an assisted living center for the elderly?

[Barnaby Jones]

Or a community center!

But who here has been saying that it's "just a bunch of rednecks, hayseeds and rubes that don't understand Islam and blame all muslims for 9/11?"

[TripleSkeet]

Or a community center!


I HATE that I find myself thinking like you.

[badmonkey]

Or a community center!


Mischief in Manhattan
We Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation
(http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/Mischief+Manhattan/3370303/story.html) By Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah, Citizen Special

If Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue, but he did not. We passed on this message to him through a mutual Saudi friend, but received no answer. He could have proposed a memorial to the 9/11 dead with a denouncement of the doctrine of armed jihad, but he chose not to.

[Barnaby Jones]

And? People who act like idiots over this come from all walks of life! These fools are saying that the people who want to build the community center have to unnecessarily appease and pay tribute to the rest of the city? Why? Why do they have to make a memorial to 9/11 or go out of their way to denounce terrorists? Why do the people at the community center have to apologize for anything? What have they done wrong? That editorial is a cowardly, bootlicking piece of garbage!

[Kevin]

And? People who act like idiots over this come from all walks of life! These fools are saying that the people who want to build the community center have to unnecessarily appease and pay tribute to the rest of the city? Why? Why do they have to make a memorial to 9/11 or go out of their way to denounce terrorists? Why do the people at the community center have to apologize for anything? What have they done wrong? That editorial is a cowardly, bootlicking piece of garbage!



Yep...

[Kevin]

Hey BM..

I DEMAND you apologize for slavery and The KKK and everything the white man has done in history...

DO IT NOW

[badmonkey]

Hey BM..

I DEMAND you apologize for slavery and The KKK and everything the white man has done in history...

DO IT NOW

If you know anybody with my last name it's because our ancestors were owned by the same family. I'm not sure what your point is anyway. My posts were showing that there are Muslims against the Cordoba House. I think I was pretty explicit when I gave my personal opinion on the building.

[Serpico1103]

Mischief in Manhattan
We Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation
(http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/Mischief+Manhattan/3370303/story.html) By Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah, Citizen Special

"New York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it's not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as "Fitna," meaning "mischief-making" that is clearly forbidden in the Koran."

Besides the horrible writing, how does the fact that there are 30 mosques equate to plenty of room for worship?
Someone tell Starbucks, there are over 150 Starbucks in Manhattan. Obviously, they have supersaturated the market.

I don't care what anyone thinks, other than the people who want to build the center/mosque. People may protest and complain. Sorry, if I don't think this is an organized Muslim plot to place a flag of victory in the grounds of our defeat.

[brettmojo]

Can we get an "Indian" Casino at the site of Custer's last stand first?

[spoon]

Can we get an "Indian" Casino at the site of Custer's last stand first?

they do, it's called the Dead Buffalo

[Kevin]

If you know anybody with my last name it's because our ancestors were owned by the same family. I'm not sure what your point is anyway. My posts were showing that there are Muslims against the Cordoba House. I think I was pretty explicit when I gave my personal opinion on the building.



My point is no one has to apologize or for anything they did not take part in.

You can feel terrible about it, but not apologize for it.

[badmonkey]

My point is no one has to apologize or for anything they did not take part in.

You can feel terrible about it, but not apologize for it.

Where did I say anybody had to apologize for anything?

[Barnaby Jones]

If you know anybody with my last name it's because our ancestors were owned by the same family. I'm not sure what your point is anyway. My posts were showing that there are Muslims against the Cordoba House.

This is news? There are Muslims who wish that people at the Cordoba House were killed in 9/11!

[Barnaby Jones]

Where did I say anybody had to apologize for anything?

The article is effectively saying that he people involved with the Cordoba House essentially need to apologize and bow and scrape and basically demean themselves and act like they have something they need to atone for, not you!

[spoon]

Guess it's not so simple as the opposition of just a bunch of rednecks, hayseeds and rubes that don't understand Islam and blame all muslims for 9/11.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/06/06/a_mosque_at_ground_zero/

As someone else here stated, including NJ Gov Christie's quote, people of all walks of life are now vying for political gain with this issue on both sides. It's a fucking joke and the whole bloody issue needs to go away bc it really is nonexistent. If the families don't want it, too bad bc it's the US. If the Repubs think it's a travesty/political chip in the 2010 elections and beyond, good luck with it and have fun. If others want to be ridiculous and build intentionally mocking facilities in response to this mosque, let them look like fools. If anything, it'll open the door to the same happening to Christian churches and Jewish temples. I'm sure they'll love the flip side of this reaction in the future on Fox.

[torker]

As someone else here stated, including NJ Gov Christie's quote, people of all walks of life are now vying for political gain with this issue on both sides. It's a fucking joke and the whole bloody issue needs to go away bc it really is nonexistent. If the families don't want it, too bad bc it's the US. If the Repubs think it's a travesty/political chip in the 2010 elections and beyond, good luck with it and have fun. If others want to be ridiculous and build intentionally mocking facilities in response to this mosque, let them look like fools. If anything, it'll open the door to the same happening to Christian churches and Jewish temples. I'm sure they'll love the flip side of this reaction in the future on Fox.

agreed

[Crispy123]

It's NOT part of ground zero. Just stop. Do you even live in the area? Or are you another loud person from outside the area all upset about some non-issue for the rest of us that actually live here and simply don't know better? I can't possibly imagine anyone would think that two blocks north of the WTC is part of the WTC. Is the whole flight pattern now the designated WTC/ground zero area?

And I've never seen anything to ever substantiate that the landing gear crashed there. Does anyone have info on this bc it smells fishy but I admittedly have no reason to believe it at this point? Please link it if it's true bc the physics just don't seem possible.

The plane penetrated through the WTC south tower, and part of the plane's landing gear and fuselage came out the north side of the tower and crashed through the roof of 45–47 Park Place, and through two of its floors. The plane parts destroyed three floor beams, and severely compromised the building's internal structure. (http://books.google.com/books?id=7fBUAAAAMAAJ&q=%22park+place%22+%22landing+gear%22&dq=%22park+place%22+%22landing+gear%22&hl=en&ei=TthXTPKKPIL78AaK-rSrCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBQ)

[Barnaby Jones]

The plane penetrated through the WTC tower, and part of the plane's landing gear and fuselage came out the north side of the tower and crashed through the roof of 45–47 Park Place, and through two of its floors. The plane parts destroyed three floor beams, and severely compromised the building's internal structure. (http://books.google.com/books?id=7fBUAAAAMAAJ&q=%22park+place%22+%22landing+gear%22&dq=%22park+place%22+%22landing+gear%22&hl=en&ei=TthXTPKKPIL78AaK-rSrCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBQ)

I don't believe this, maaaaaannnnnn! The CIA was trying to take the building out, maaaaaaaaaaaaaannnn!

[Syd]

Cool, is the fucking gas station that the one plane buzzed before it hit the Pentagon hallowed ground now too? I think I've bought cigarettes there before.

[torker]

The plane penetrated through the WTC south tower, and part of the plane's landing gear and fuselage came out the north side of the tower and crashed through the roof of 45–47 Park Place, and through two of its floors. The plane parts destroyed three floor beams, and severely compromised the building's internal structure. (http://books.google.com/books?id=7fBUAAAAMAAJ&q=%22park+place%22+%22landing+gear%22&dq=%22park+place%22+%22landing+gear%22&hl=en&ei=TthXTPKKPIL78AaK-rSrCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBQ)

so what?

[Crispy123]

so what?

So the terrorists didn't clip the building coming into hit the Twin Towers as Dipshit! claims.

[torker]

So the terrorists didn't clip the building coming into hit the Twin Towers as Dipshit! claims.

gotcha

[spoon]

Well the so what was that I actually asked if there was info on what exactly happened. I really can't believe it went that far and THROUGH the entire floor/level of impact of each WTC floor hit by each plane respectively (just for you Serp).

Thanks for the links/info as I'm lazy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't believe this, maaaaaannnnnn! The CIA was trying to take the building out, maaaaaaaaaaaaaannnn!

someones a fan of infowars and prisonplanet:lol:

[Barnaby Jones]

someones a fan of infowars and prisonplanet:lol:

You are hopeless!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You are hopeless!

Go listen to Alex Jones. maybe you can quote a line from Loose Change

[Barnaby Jones]

Did you think I was serious?!?!?

You're terrible at the internet!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Did you think I was serious?!?!?

You're terrible at the internet!

Of course not!!!! I knows the internets

[TripleSkeet]

Go listen to Alex Jones. maybe you can quote a line from Loose Change

Isnt that the guy you accused me of being? Ive still never heard of him.

[A.J.]

The Amish hate our way of life.

Actually, they do. We use hochmut buttons!

[A.J.]

Basically a local Virginia community wants to put in a Wal-Mart nearby. The location for the Wal-Mart is near a historic battlefield. People from other states weigh in by signing petitions and coming down there to protest because they think that they know better than the stupid hayseeds that live there what their community needs and they feel that the Wal-Mart would tarnish the historic location.

Sorry about that. I should have summarized or scanned the thread for a decent post that summarized it.

On Page 24 of this thread, I cited a Charles Krauthammer op-ed (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2756599&postcount=582)in which he used the Manassas Battlefield issue as a reason to oppose the mosque/cultural center.

As I noted there, it was a bullshit analogy since the opposition was more about preserving a historical site as well as preventing urban sprawl.

Let me ask this: how about all those roadside memorials they make when some idiot dies in a car accident. Is that "sacred ground" as well? Should we no longer use the road?

[CountryBob]

I think that Ant has summed it up perfectly - no one is arguing the fact that Moslems have the protected right to build the Mosque. We all know that. The point is that it is a very sensitive issue to many non Moslem's to have it built so close to ground zero.
As always, when there is a sensitive issue that causes division between races or religion the Christian side is always expected to recognize and diffuse the issue and give in to eleviate the stress and eliminate the problems. But, when the shoe is on the other foot the other races never give in to what is morally right and help diffuse tension between religions. I am tired of the double standard.
Most all agree that they have the right to build the Mosque anywhere they choose - but they also have a moral obligation to recognize and consider the sensitive nature of their actions and help promote religious sensitivity - not to further drive a wedge between religions.

[A.J.]

Despicable Muslims allowed to pray on "sacred ground". (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/18/pentagon.chapel.islam/index.html?hpt=T2)

[angrymissy]

You guys starting to see the pattern with Moslem vs. Muslim?

[Crispy123]

I think that Ant has summed it up perfectly - no one is arguing the fact that Moslems have the protected right to build the Mosque. We all know that. The point is that it is a very sensitive issue to many non Moslem's to have it built so close to ground zero.
As always, when there is a sensitive issue that causes division between races or religion the Christian side is always expected to recognize and diffuse the issue and give in to eleviate the stress and eliminate the problems. But, when the shoe is on the other foot the other races never give in to what is morally right and help diffuse tension between religions. I am tired of the double standard.
Most all agree that they have the right to build the Mosque anywhere they choose - but they also have a moral obligation to recognize and consider the sensitive nature of their actions and help promote religious sensitivity - not to further drive a wedge between religions.

Is that why the Westboro Baptist Church went to the Supreme Court to defend their right to protest at soldiers funerals?

[Misteriosa]

saw this op-ed piece on the washington post that speaks about senstivity. i dont usually agree with what a lot of this paper has to print, but i find myself agreeing with this person on this topic. i know it may be tl;dr for some, but i hope you take the time to read it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/17/AR2010081704399.html

[A.J.]

You guys starting to see the pattern with Moslem vs. Muslim?

Idiocy?

[Kevin]

Idiocy?



Dudeiocy!

[Dude!]

Let me ask this: how about all those roadside memorials they make when some idiot dies in a car accident. Is that "sacred ground" as well? Should we no longer use the road?

if a drunk driver
forces a bus off the road
and 30 kids are killed
and someone puts up a memorial

yes, it would be pefectly appropriate
for the drunk driver
to open a hot dog stand
next to the memorial

[CountryBob]

You guys starting to see the pattern with Moslem vs. Muslim?

Yeah - the pattern is that I typed this before completely waking up and doing a proof read - nothing more.

[CountryBob]

Is that why the Westboro Baptist Church went to the Supreme Court to defend their right to protest at soldiers funerals?

The Westboro Baptist Church is an outlier - an extremist cult. You know this.

[Ritalin]

You guys starting to see the pattern with Moslem vs. Muslim?

No, I don't get it. I was wondering about it though. Why do they do it?

Is it the same as the ol' "democrat" thing?

[Crispy123]

The Westboro Baptist Church is an outlier - an extremist cult. You know this.

I know that they are Christians and you said this...

As always, when there is a sensitive issue that causes division between races or religion the Christian side is always expected to recognize and diffuse the issue and give in to eleviate the stress and eliminate the problems.

I also know that there are plenty of Catholic altar boys who might disagree that the Christian side always gives in and eliminates the problem.

I suppose Al Qaida would be considered part of main street Islam.

[A.J.]

if a drunk driver
forces a bus off the road
and 30 kids are killed
and someone puts up a memorial

yes, it would be pefectly appropriate
for the drunk driver
to open a hot dog stand
next to the memorial

Fuckin' starving.

[CountryBob]

I know that they are Christians and you said this...



I also know that there are plenty of Catholic altar boys who might disagree that the Christian side always gives in and eliminates the problem.

I said "always expected to" not "always do" - Geez!!

[angrymissy]

The Westboro Baptist Church is an outlier - an extremist cult. You know this.

And Al-Qaeda is an outlier - an extremist cult. They're not the ones building the Mosque.

SAT Question:
Christians are not to Westboro Church as Islam is not to _____________ .

I am sick of hearing this "Christians are oppressed!" BS. They are so intertwined in our laws that it's sickening.

[angrymissy]

No, I don't get it. I was wondering about it though. Why do they do it?

Is it the same as the ol' "democrat" thing?

I participate in a lot of forums and have always noticed the people who are anti-Muslim spell it Moslem. Hannity is a big fan of doing it too.

According to the Center for Nonproliferation Studies, "Moslem and Muslim are basically two different spellings for the same word." But the seemingly arbitrary choice of spellings is a sensitive subject for many followers of Islam. Whereas for most English speakers, the two words are synonymous in meaning, the Arabic roots of the two words are very different. A Muslim in Arabic means "one who gives himself to God," and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. By contrast, a Moslem in Arabic means "one who is evil and unjust" when the word is pronounced, as it is in English, Mozlem with a z.

[Dude!]

And Al-Qaeda is an outlier - an extremist cult. They're not the ones building the Mosque.

so, i guess you know
where the money
to build the mosque
is coming from

please tell us

[angrymissy]

OSAMA BIN LADEN of course!

[TripleSkeet]

The Westboro Baptist Church is an outlier - an extremist cult. You know this.

The Westboro Baptist Church is an extremist group hiding under the banner of Christianity. Just like the assholes that flew the planes into the WTC were extremists hiding under the banner of Islam. The muslim religion doesnt condone that type of action. Just because some muslims were happy about it doesnt mean the religion accepts it.

Just like extremist Christians that bomb abortion clinics. There are plenty of christians out there that stand up and applaud when that kind of shit is done, but the christian religion forbids it and does not approve of it.

[Kevin]

1 out of 5 Americans think Obama is a Muslim... (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/08/19/2010-08-19_one_in_five_americans_believe_president_barack_ obama_is_a_muslim_poll.html)


There's just no convincing some people.

Nearly one in five people —18% — wrongly believe President Barack Obama is a Muslim, according to a poll released on Thursday.

The number is up from the 11% who thought Obama was a Muslim in March 2009. The percentage who correctly believe the president is Christian is down to 34%.






http://www.lostrepublic.us/Graphics/DoubleFacePalm.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

so, i guess you know
where the money
to build the mosque
is coming from

please tell us

Its not coming from anywhere yet. He doesnt have the financing. Let me guess....terrorists are building it, right? Because, you know, arabs dont have any money unless they are terrorists. AMIRITE?

[Crispy123]

OSAMA BIN LADEN of course!

SHIT!!! If only we had a Government agency that investigated the finances of terrorist and criminal organizations and stopped them from operating in the US!

[angrymissy]

Its not coming from anywhere yet. He doesnt have the financing. Let me guess....terrorists are building it, right? Because, you know, arabs dont have any money unless they are terrorists. AMIRITE?

Yep, and Obama is evil, so he, the CIA, the FBI, the local NYC government, would just let full on terrorists fund and build downtown, yuppers, that's the ticket. It's all a part of Obama's secret plot to take over the country and turn us all into Muslim slaves for black people and take all of our paychecks to pay for it while forcing women to have abortions and men to marry other men.

Yup.

[angrymissy]

SHIT!!! If only we had a Government agency that investigated the finances of terrorist and criminal organizations and stopped them from operating in the US!

nonono, you see NOBAMA is covering it up as a part of his master plan, we are all screwed. GET READY TO HAND YOUR PAYCHECK OVER TO PAY FOR WELFARE!

[Kevin]

Its not coming from anywhere yet. He doesnt have the financing. Let me guess....terrorists are building it, right? Because, you know, arabs dont have any money unless they are terrorists. AMIRITE?

I mean they have like a shit load of oil but there is no money in that, right?

[TripleSkeet]

1 out of 5 Americans think Obama is a Muslim... (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/08/19/2010-08-19_one_in_five_americans_believe_president_barack_ obama_is_a_muslim_poll.html)


There's just no convincing some people.

Nearly one in five people —18% — wrongly believe President Barack Obama is a Muslim, according to a poll released on Thursday.

The number is up from the 11% who thought Obama was a Muslim in March 2009. The percentage who correctly believe the president is Christian is down to 34%.






http://www.lostrepublic.us/Graphics/DoubleFacePalm.jpg

This country is filled with retards. This really surprises you? How many still dont think he was born in this country?

[Dude!]

OSAMA BIN LADEN of course!

when my local church
wanted to build a new building
they raised money from parishioners;
they had fund raising dinners and auctions;
they issued a fund-raising update each week;
and they had a big red 'thermometer"
outside showing their progress

it was all very transparent

why won't the people
behind the mosque
say where the funds
are coming from?

[CountryBob]

[QUOTE=angrymissy;2758400]And Al-Qaeda is an outlier - an extremist cult. They're not the ones building the Mosque.

I am sick of hearing this "Christians are oppressed!" BS. They are so intertwined in our laws that it's sickening.[/QUOTE

That is not what I meant - I guess I should state my opinion clearer. I am tired of the public expecting non-muslim religions to always bow down or give in to anything that the Muslims want. Like the outcry of the cartoon depiction of Muhammad. As I stated in another thread - I dont care that they build a Mosque on the proposed site. But, I would like to see the Muslim community be sensitive to why most Americans have animosity toward them.

[Kevin]

This country is filled with retards. This really surprises you? How many still dont think he was born in this country?

SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICIT...

Here it is..

THAT'S A FAKE ONE!!!

[CountryBob]

The Westboro Baptist Church is an extremist group hiding under the banner of Christianity. Just like the assholes that flew the planes into the WTC were extremists hiding under the banner of Islam. The muslim religion doesnt condone that type of action. Just because some muslims were happy about it doesnt mean the religion accepts it.

Just like extremist Christians that bomb abortion clinics. There are plenty of christians out there that stand up and applaud when that kind of shit is done, but the christian religion forbids it and does not approve of it.

Exactly! I dont know why Crispy even brought it up?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

33% Think it was an inside job


http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

[Kevin]

33% Think it was an inside job


http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

It


was





THE JEWS!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This country is filled with retards. This really surprises you? How many still dont think he was born in this country?

You are right about that

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[A.J.]

I am sick of hearing this "Christians are oppressed!" BS. They are so intertwined in our laws that it's sickening.

What are you talking about Missy???? We need The Catholic League now more than ever!!!!

[TripleSkeet]

That is not what I meant - I guess I should state my opinion clearer. I am tired of the public expecting non-muslim religions to always bow down or give in to anything that the Muslims want. Like the outcry of the cartoon depiction of Muhammad. As I stated in another thread - I dont care that they build a Mosque on the proposed site. But, I would like to see the Muslim community be sensitive to why most Americans have animosity toward them.

I agree with you on this actually. To be honest, Im tired of the whole "be sensitive" to this group or that group or whatever. Grown adults worrying about getting their fucking feelings hurt. Its pathetic.

[Crispy123]

Exactly! I dont know why Crispy even brought it up?

I guess it's not surprising that you don't get it, considering you cite Ant C. as "summing up perfectly" anything to do with religious or racial tolerance.

[TripleSkeet]

You are right about that

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Theyre just as stupid as the dopes that think hes a muslim. No argument here.

Oh...and that video is grossly overexaggerated. Im talking about the people that really believe that. Which isnt what she said.

[Kevin]

Or in WF's case..





The illegals!

[CountryBob]

I guess it's not surprising that you don't get it, considering you cite Ant C. as "summing up perfectly" anything to do with religious or racial tolerance.

Believe me - this is the first time I have ever agreed with any political idea he has stated.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Or in WF's case..





The illegals!

Gotta be careful of those radicalized Catholics

[Barnaby Jones]

And Al-Qaeda is an outlier - an extremist cult. They're not the ones building the Mosque.

I am sick of hearing this "Christians are oppressed!" BS. They are so intertwined in our laws that it's sickening.

That is not what I meant - I guess I should state my opinion clearer. I am tired of the public expecting non-muslim religions to always bow down or give in to anything that the Muslims want. Like the outcry of the cartoon depiction of Muhammad. As I stated in another thread - I dont care that they build a Mosque on the proposed site. But, I would like to see the Muslim community be sensitive to why most Americans have animosity toward them.

This yet another example of conflating an extremist action (the riots over the cartoons) with people who have done nothing of the sort (the members of the mosque/community center)! Why does this community have to pay for the sins of others? What have they done that requires them to apologize for/make penance for the wrongheaded actions of others?

[Serpico1103]

if a drunk driver
forces a bus off the road
and 30 kids are killed
and someone puts up a memorial

yes, it would be pefectly appropriate
for the drunk driver
to open a hot dog stand
next to the memorial

Revealed how stupid you are.
In your analogy the drunk driver that killed the kids wants to set up his business next to the memorial. In reality, it is not the Muslims that planned, participated, or supported the attack on 9/11 that want to set up a business.

A better analogy would be if a drunk driver killed 30 kids, should anyone who had a drinking problem be allowed to open a business near the memorial?

The moslems wanting to build the hot dog stand, did not kill the kids. Get it yet?

[Serpico1103]

I think that Ant has summed it up perfectly - no one is arguing the fact that Muslims have the protected right to build the Mosque. We all know that.

Close to 30% of the American public is arguing that they don't have the Constitutional right to build it.

Also, 1/3 of Americans think Muslims should not be allowed to be President.

I am not comfortable with leaving some decisions up to the American public.

[Syd]

I also know that there are plenty of Catholic altar boys who might disagree that the Christian side always gives in and eliminates the problem.

As someone who came from a family of French Calvinists I can safely say the Catholic Church gave in and eliminated the Huguenot problem by murdering 10k or so of them. At least we Christians held them to the same standard we hold Muslims by demanding that they apologize for their actions. Oh wait, no one apologized for shit still.

[Dude!]

The moslems wanting to build the hot dog stand, did not kill the kids. Get it yet?

no, i won't get it
until i know
who is financing it

neither will you

[Serpico1103]

no, i won't get it
until i know
who is financing it

neither will you

Why would you assume someone evil was financing it? Do you inquire into the financing of every new building project near ground zero?
Maybe Al Qaeda is behind the grocery store on the corner, or the 99 cent store.

Lets look into the funding of every religious center in the country. Until, we know they are all clean, it is unfair to target one based on thinly veiled religious prejudice.

Have Congressmen and Fox news called for an investigation into the Westboro Baptist Church funding? They are expressly dishonoring our war heroes.

[Dude!]

Why would you assume someone evil was financing it?

because they are refusing
to say who is funding it

same reason i can't
take ralph nadar
at face value

he refuses to disclose
who funds him

until i know who's
behind things
i distrust the motives

i guess i'm just more
analytical than you

[Barnaby Jones]

Do you know where all the "funds" are coming from to your employer? How about the school you went to? How about all the funds that went into building the home you live in? Should be easy for you to rattle off since you're so analytical!

[A.J.]

Do you know where all the "funds" are coming from to your employer?

I do: the U.S. taxpayer!

[Dude!]

Do you know where all the "funds" are coming from to your employer?

yes, from sales of our product...
the company is debt-free
and operates on cash flow


How about the school you went to?

yes, from property taxes

How about all the funds that went into building the home you live in?

yes, from money i saved
and a from a loan
from the local bank

Should be easy for you to rattle off since you're so analytical!

It was

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bloomberg doesn't seem t care where the money comes from.

Now if there is too much salt or transfats then he's all concerned

[sailor]

I do: the U.S. taxpayer!


I want a refund. Back to work!!

[Serpico1103]

i guess i'm just more, analytical than you

Ha.
Who funded GW? Who funded Reagan?
Do you think you could really do the analysis?
What you want is Glenn Beck to write on his chalkboard and tell you that in some convoluted way evil doers are connected to the Mosque.
Are you telling me, you will read the financials yourself? Do the analysis? You have no idea what that entails.
You want conclusions.




Sharif El-Gamal, the CEO of SoHo Properties, has said the project's backers were committed to transparency and would work with the attorney general's watchdog Charities Bureau. The planned center has been renamed Park51 to reflect the broad scope of its programs, modeled on the YMCA or Jewish Community Center of Manhattan. (http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=183178)

[Barnaby Jones]

Do you know where all the "funds" are coming from to your employer?

yes, from sales of our product...
the company is debt-free
and operates on cash flow


How about the school you went to?

yes, from property taxes

How about all the funds that went into building the home you live in?

yes, from money i saved
and a from a loan
from the local bank

Should be easy for you to rattle off since you're so analytical!

It was

This is hysterical!!! LOLOLOLOL!!! :clap: :lol:

So adorably naive!

[Serpico1103]

Do you know where all the "funds" are coming from to your employer?

yes, from sales of our product...
the company is debt-free
and operates on cash flow


How about the school you went to?

yes, from property taxes

How about all the funds that went into building the home you live in?

yes, from money i saved
and a from a loan
from the local bank

Should be easy for you to rattle off since you're so analytical!

It was

So childish. That is not analysis. That is repeating conclusions you were given. Analysis would be looking through the financials. Making sure all the documents are there, that they coincide, and that they can be verified.

"money I saved"- from illegal activities? Prove it wasn't. Account for every nickel. I said you were a high schooler earlier, now I think elementary at best.

[underdog]

Do you know where all the "funds" are coming from to your employer?

yes, from sales of our product...
the company is debt-free
and operates on cash flow

What kind of awful, non-growing company do you work for that is debt-free?

[Serpico1103]

This is hysterical!!! LOLOLOLOL!!! :clap: :lol:

So adorably naive!

Embarrassing. I am starting to hate myself for even trying.

[Serpico1103]

I do: the U.S. taxpayer!

Or was it illegal arms sales to Iran? Did your analysis rule that out?

[Serpico1103]

What kind of awful, non-growing company do you work for that is debt-free?

Sounds like a fucking lemonade stand.

[A.J.]

Or was it illegal arms sales to Iran? Did your analysis rule that out?

I was in high school when that happened!

[Crispy123]

I was in high school when that happened!

was that back when it was called Persia?

[Dudeman]

considering the results of the RF.net Mosque poll, maybe we should change the title of this thread to Save the Ground Zero Mosque.

(Even WF voted YES for the mosque... :wallbash::wallbash:)

[Kevin]

I was teaching high school when that happened!

Deep cover?

[A.J.]

was that back when it was called Persia?

This gentleman didn't say that Persia was "number von".

http://whatwho.me/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ironsheik.jpg

[Crispy123]

http://kentuckyfriedwrestling.com/theword2/wp-content/uploads/sheik.jpg

He also loves Opune and Antony show

[Dude!]

What kind of awful, non-growing company do you work for that is debt-free?

one that makes lots of money
and doesn't require me
to send cab drivers into ghettos

[Serpico1103]

one that makes lots of money


Seriously, you are a minor, right?

[underdog]

one that makes lots of money
and doesn't require me
to send cab drivers into ghettos

You don't have a job, do you?

Most companies don't make money. As soon as they're in the red, they spend it or invest it.

[spoon]

You guys starting to see the pattern with Moslem vs. Muslim?

Yah and it's comical at this point.

[spoon]

1 out of 5 Americans think Obama is a Muslim... (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/08/19/2010-08-19_one_in_five_americans_believe_president_barack_ obama_is_a_muslim_poll.html)


There's just no convincing some people.

Nearly one in five people —18% — wrongly believe President Barack Obama is a Muslim, according to a poll released on Thursday.

The number is up from the 11% who thought Obama was a Muslim in March 2009. The percentage who correctly believe the president is Christian is down to 34%.





http://www.lostrepublic.us/Graphics/DoubleFacePalm.jpg


I wish he was neither. Fucking religion, that's all I can say. We need above the influence commercial for it.

[spoon]

SHIT!!! If only we had a Government agency that investigated the finances of terrorist and criminal organizations and stopped them from operating in the US!

Don't they do this via use of the " FATRIOT ACT "?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And this gets more interesting.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Politics/islamic-center-backers-rule-taking-funds-saudi-arabia/story?id=11429998

[brettmojo]

And this gets more interesting.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Politics/islamic-center-backers-rule-taking-funds-saudi-arabia/story?id=11429998
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee103/brettmojo/2cqxiqf.gif

[spoon]

not really

same stale bs topic

[Barnaby Jones]

They'll take money from people in those countries?!?!? That's crazy, BECAUSE EVERYONE IN THOSE COUNTRIES MUST BE EVIL, RIGHT?!?!

This is so ridiculous! Newsflash: if we're suddenly opposed to buildings funded by Saudi investors then we have a LOT of demolition to get a move on!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

They'll take money from people in those countries?!?!? That's crazy, BECAUSE EVERYONE IN THOSE COUNTRIES MUST BE EVIL, RIGHT?!?!

This is so ridiculous! Newsflash: if we're suddenly opposed to buildings funded by Saudi investors then we have a LOT of demolition to get a move on!

Psst.

Forget about Iran ?

[Barnaby Jones]

Psst.

Forget about Iran ?

Psssssssst, no! Why are we supposed to be automatically against any Iranian investors, too?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Psssssssst, no! Why are we supposed to be automatically against any Iranian investors, too?

We havent had relations with the Iranians since '79


Do you think most of the cash will come from Investors or from the Gov't

[Barnaby Jones]

We havent had relations with the Iranians since '79


Do you think most of the cash will come from Investors or from the Gov't

You really have no clue what you're talking about, do you?

Yeah, after all of this the people behind the community center are going to be stupid enough to take money from the Iranian government! That makes perfect sense!

[brettmojo]

You really have no clue what you're talking about, do you?

Yeah, after all of this the people behind the community center are going to be stupid enough to take money from the Iranian government! That makes perfect sense!
One, would the origin of all their donations be public knowledge?
Two, they're stupid enough to build this thing two blocks from the former WTC.

[Barnaby Jones]

One, would the origin of all their donations be public knowledge?
Two, they're stupid enough to build this thing two blocks from the former WTC.

It's only a "stupid" decision to the people that don't want it anywhere, period! It's amazing how nobody can give an answer as to exactly how far away from the WTC it would be OK! 3 blocks? 4 blocks? 5 blocks? What's the magical line of demarcation where it suddenly becomes A-OK?

They wanted to expand their facilities, they already were based nearby and this property suited their needs and expenses! It's the same group of people who were using the old location, so why it suddenly not OK? It's not at Ground Zero, it's not within sight of Ground Zero, and these people are long time NYC residents! Why is it "stupid" of them to expect to do something this unremarkable?

[spoon]

One, would the origin of all their donations be public knowledge?
Two, they're stupid enough to build this thing two blocks from the former WTC.

the location site isn't stupid, it's the reaction to it

[brettmojo]

It's only a "stupid" decision to the people that don't want it anywhere, period! It's amazing how nobody can give an answer as to exactly how far away from the WTC it would be OK! 3 blocks? 4 blocks? 5 blocks? What's the magical line of demarcation where it suddenly becomes A-OK?

They wanted to expand their facilities, they already were based nearby and this property suited their needs and expenses! It's the same group of people who were using the old location, so why it suddenly not OK? It's not at Ground Zero, it's not within sight of Ground Zero, and these people are long time NYC residents! Why is it "stupid" of them to expect to do something this unremarkable?

Is naive a better term for you?

[Barnaby Jones]

Is naive a better term for you?

Nope! There's not trying to do anything unusual or that they shouldn't be doing! Again, it's not actually at Ground Zero, it can't be seen from Ground Zero, and these people are long time residents of NYC! It's a manufactured, bullshit controversy because they haven't actually done anything wrong!

[brettmojo]

Nope! There's not trying to do anything unusual or that they shouldn't be doing! Again, it's not actually at Ground Zero, it can't be seen from Ground Zero, and these people are long time residents of NYC! It's a manufactured, bullshit controversy because they haven't actually done anything wrong!
Aren't they demolishing the current building for and making a taller new building?

[Barnaby Jones]

Aren't they demolishing the current building for and making a taller new building?

I honestly don't know! But it's not like it's going to be towering over everything else even if it is. Besides, if people are really thinking they're going to go insane seeing the roof of a community center from whatever is built at Ground Zero, wouldn't they have the same problem if the mosque remained where it's currently located? I just don't understand this mindset at all. Do people think it's going to have some kind of gigantic, skyscraper-like "Muslim" design or signs all over it or an enormous, flashing minaret? Are people going to be continually distracted from their work and lives knowing that there is a Muslim community center somewhere nearby? Why wouldn't that be the case at its current location?

[StanUpshaw]

Ban The Minaret!

[Jujubees2]

Drop your bombs between the minarets

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUy9xDf-YjO6-dUVExIooeHXFbU90He8QTa3UD-Pb_W01NIP0&t=1&usg=__M0XXsfl2ptF2SJ9UMFTMFWZnfOU=

[CaptainBlowhole]

Initially I was very much against it, but a few things have come to light recently that has swayed my decision. First, its 2 blocks away from where the towers were. Second, I initially heard that the mullah was radical and that his funding may have come from radical Muslims, but I have heard several contradictory statements made by the man himself where he distances himself from that faction. Conservatives usually rant and rave about private property and ownership and complain whenever the idea of eminent domain comes into question, yet here, this is owned by these Muslims and to deny them the freedom to build it is contradictory to conservative or libertarian ideals. Is it wise that Muslims choose this place to build their mosque? Im not sure, but I dont think they can be honestly denied either. Lets say there was a Catholic church, a Jewish temple and a Buddhist temple on that same street within a few blocks, would that be an issue? Where is the distance line that this mosque could be built where this would be not be an issue, and who decides that line?
I heard Glen Beck say that a man has the right to answer his wife honestly when she asks if her dress makes her look fat, but is it wise to answer yes to that question? I can see the point, and having initially been appalled at the idea of it, I can really see that argument, but in my heart, if I were to side with the deniers, I would be a hypocrite.

[KatPw]

Ban the Minuet!
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[scottinnj]

Conservatives usually rant and rave about private property and ownership and complain whenever the idea of eminent domain comes into question, yet here, this is owned by these Muslims and to deny them the freedom to build it is contradictory to conservative or libertarian ideals.

Nobody, at least the people I have heard who are on my side are saying they aren't allowed or should be denied the right. We are just asking that it should be moved somewhere else.

Well, everyone except for whoever made the commercial that prompted me to create this thread in the first place.

[Barnaby Jones]

Initially I was very much against it, but a few things have come to light recently that has swayed my decision. First, its 2 blocks away from where the towers were. Second, I initially heard that the mullah was radical and that his funding may have come from radical Muslims, but I have heard several contradictory statements made by the man himself where he distances himself from that faction. Conservatives usually rant and rave about private property and ownership and complain whenever the idea of eminent domain comes into question, yet here, this is owned by these Muslims and to deny them the freedom to build it is contradictory to conservative or libertarian ideals. Is it wise that Muslims choose this place to build their mosque? Im not sure, but I dont think they can be honestly denied either. Lets say there was a Catholic church, a Jewish temple and a Buddhist temple on that same street within a few blocks, would that be an issue? Where is the distance line that this mosque could be built where this would be not be an issue, and who decides that line?
I heard Glen Beck say that a man has the right to answer his wife honestly when she asks if her dress makes her look fat, but is it wise to answer yes to that question? I can see the point, and having initially been appalled at the idea of it, I can really see that argument, but in my heart, if I were to side with the deniers, I would be a hypocrite.

Nice post! Regardless of whether I agree with all of it or not, that is a very well thought out post!

[spoon]

Nice post! Regardless of whether I agree with all of it or not, that is a very well thought out post!

And it shows someone modifying their opinions based on the facts that surface and the discussions here after all the bs being thrown around all over the place. I for one did the same thing in the NFL thread and now hate the Jets. :lol:

[scottinnj]

I for one did the same thing in the NFL thread and now hate the Jets. :lol:

Welcome home son, welcome home.

[Furtherman]

Nobody, at least the people I have heard who are on my side are saying they aren't allowed or should be denied the right. We are just asking that it should be moved somewhere else.

Well, everyone except for whoever made the commercial that prompted me to create this thread in the first place.

Should the mosque that is already down there be moved too?

[Dude!]

Should the mosque that is already down there be moved too?

why? it's been there forever
it was not established
with the intent of provoking

[Barnaby Jones]

why? it's been there forever
it was not established
with the intent of provoking

"Provoking?"

So you're saying they should potentially choose a different location that is more expensive and less suited to their needs?

[Furtherman]

why? it's been there forever
it was not established
with the intent of provoking

It was established for Islam. Isn't that what this new mosque is established on?

[Dude!]

It was established for Islam. Isn't that what this new mosque is established on?

as far as i'm concerned
the motive behind the
site selection is suspect

[Furtherman]

Riiiiiiiiight, gotcha. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more, say no more.

[badmonkey]

On Page 24 of this thread, I cited a Charles Krauthammer op-ed (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2756599&postcount=582)in which he used the Manassas Battlefield issue as a reason to oppose the mosque/cultural center.

As I noted there, it was a bullshit analogy since the opposition was more about preserving a historical site as well as preventing urban sprawl.

Let me ask this: how about all those roadside memorials they make when some idiot dies in a car accident. Is that "sacred ground" as well? Should we no longer use the road?

I wasn't making a sacred ground analogy. My comment was about the whole "if you don't live here you have no right to comment" attitude from the NYC members. They didn't have any issue with commenting on the Wal-Mart that some far away community wanted to have built, but seem to take issue with outsiders having an opinion on this potential mosque in NYC. Just seemed hypocritical to me.

I've already said it's a local issue and as long as there's no laws preventing it from being built, the govt should leave it alone. However, if it happens to turn out that it's being funded by groups linked to radical Islamic terrorists, then it should be built to create jobs and then immediately seized by NYC and turned into a Fisher House (http://www.fisherhouse.org/) complete with prayer rooms for all faiths and an atheist snack bar.

[Serpico1103]

Nobody, at least the people I have heard who are on my side are saying they aren't allowed or should be denied the right. We are just asking that it should be moved somewhere else.

Well, everyone except for whoever made the commercial that prompted me to create this thread in the first place.

I believe the poll numbers show that 30% of Americans believe that don't have a right to build there.

Also, 18% of Americans think Obama is Muslim.

Real surprise Fox news leads in ratings.

[Dude!]

Also, 18% of Americans think Obama is Muslim.

that includes the 1.5%
of americans who are moslems
no doubt

to them, if the father is one
of those people, then so is
the son

NY Times says so:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=4&pagewanted=print

so maybe you should
belittle them as hayseeds too

[Serpico1103]

that includes the 1.5%
of americans who are moslems
no doubt

to them, if the father is one
of those people, then so is
the son

NY Times says so:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=4&pagewanted=print

so maybe you should
belittle them as hayseeds too

Broken link.
You can forsake the religion- apostate. You are considered Muslim at birth, but you may forsake the religion.

[Dude!]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=3&pagewanted=print

works for me

[Serpico1103]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=3&pagewanted=print

works for me

Works now. It proves my point.
He, and his father, committed apostate. You could argue that since father broke from the religion before having Obama, that he was not a Muslim, when he had Barack, therefore Barack did not have a "Muslim" father.
Either way, you can break from the religion, and that is considered a crime.

What part am I missing?
If you couldn't break from the religion, how could it be a crime?
"With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress"

LEAVE THE FAITH.

[CaptainBlowhole]

I'm sure most people would have an issue with a strip club or porn palace right next door to a school, but not if it was 2 blocks away, like this mosque will be.

[hanso]

I hear there is a strip joint across the street from ground zero.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who will build it then ?


http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/20/2010-08-20_we_wont_build_it_hardhats_say_no_way_they_will_ work_on_wtc_mosque.html

[A.J.]

I wasn't making a sacred ground analogy. My comment was about the whole "if you don't live here you have no right to comment" attitude from the NYC members. They didn't have any issue with commenting on the Wal-Mart that some far away community wanted to have built, but seem to take issue with outsiders having an opinion on this potential mosque in NYC. Just seemed hypocritical to me.

I've already said it's a local issue and as long as there's no laws preventing it from being built, the govt should leave it alone. However, if it happens to turn out that it's being funded by groups linked to radical Islamic terrorists, then it should be built to create jobs and then immediately seized by NYC and turned into a Fisher House (http://www.fisherhouse.org/) complete with prayer rooms for all faiths and an atheist snack bar.

Gotcha.

[CaptainBlowhole]

I guess what would help their perception would be an open dialog with as to why they are not open to discussing it as well.

[angrymissy]

Who will build it then ?


http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/20/2010-08-20_we_wont_build_it_hardhats_say_no_way_they_will_ work_on_wtc_mosque.html

Mexicans.
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/RichieGH/dramatic_cat.gif

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mexicans.
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/RichieGH/dramatic_cat.gif

Will it offend Muslims when those union guys have one of those 20 ft inflatable rats in front of the worksite ?

[Dude!]

uh oh...
joe-6-pack union guy
is not happy about this
and may refuse to build it

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/20/2010-08-20_we_wont_build_it_hardhats_say_no_way_they_will_ work_on_wtc_mosque.html

too bad the developers
won't sit down and talk
to sensible governor paterson

it's almost like they want it
to play out this way

[SinA]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

uh oh...
joe-6-pack union guy
is not happy about this
and may refuse to build it

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/20/2010-08-20_we_wont_build_it_hardhats_say_no_way_they_will_ work_on_wtc_mosque.html

too bad the developers
won't sit down and talk
to sensible governor paterson

it's almost like they want it
to play out this way


I hoooooooooope Pelosi and the dems say something about the rank and file union members, let them run their mouths calling them racist and hate mongers, it will seal their fate in November.

Notice that the union bosses haven't taken a stand on this yet?

[torker]

71.15% of all peoploe think that it should be built. Numbers don't lie.

[Dude!]

71.15% of all peoploe think that it should be built. Numbers don't lie.

no, but your words do

a majority think they have
the 'legal right' to build it

however, over 60% think it
should not be built
at the proposed location

[SinA]

no, but your words do

a majority think they have
the 'legal right' to build it

however, over 60% think it
should not be built
at the proposed location

there's no "think" about it,
they do have a legal right to build it.
so in other words:
over 60% have an irrelevant opinion.

[CYYYFYYY]

I am never a big fan of what the people want ebcuase people are stupid. A good 60 percent (If not more) people are against gay marriages and that is just stupid.

[torker]

no, but your words do

a majority think they have
the 'legal right' to build it

however, over 60% think it
should not be built
at the proposed location

it was a joke you stupid cunt

& i wasn't lying (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2759173#post2759173)

[sailor]

it was a joke you stupid cunt

& i wasn't lying (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2759173#post2759173)

Lay off the attacks.

[torker]

Lay off the attacks.

i hope that's a joke

i haven't said shit to anyone m entire time on the board

i'm not starting with this

[sailor]

Obviously not a joke. You were over the line.

[torker]

self imposed two week ban

fuck that shit

[Dude!]

self imposed two week ban

fuck that shit

hey, it didn't bother me!

[Death Metal Moe]

If making fun of Dude! is a punishable offense then the inmates are truly running the asylum.

[Death Metal Moe]

self imposed two week ban

fuck that shit

I don't blame you, with people enforcing "rules" like that why bother posting here anymore.

[sailor]

If making fun of Dude! is a punishable offense then the inmates are truly running the asylum.


Making fun is fine, calling someone a stupid cunt isn't.

[weekapaugjz]

Making fun is fine, calling someone a stupid cunt isn't.

Boring.

[Jujubees2]

Making fun is fine, calling someone a stupid cunt isn't.

How about an unintelligent vagina?

[underdog]

How about an unintelligent vagina?

Mom?

[sailor]

Boring.

That's my name, don't wear it out.

[Dude!]

it's not good to call
a woman a c*nt

but calling a man a cunt
isn't any better or worse
than calling him a pussy

i took no offense
whatsoever

[spoon]

Lay off the attacks.

boooo :ohmy:

[spoon]

Making fun is fine, calling someone a stupid cunt isn't.

but he/she is, and doesn't even mind (credit to him/her there)

if the mods are more sensitive than the poster we're in fucking trouble

[spoon]

That's my name, don't wear it out.

Oh man, this is not good. Sailor is slowly turning into hottub since he left. I'll pray for you soul!

[spoon]

it's not good to call
a woman a c*nt

but calling a man a cunt
isn't any better or worse
than calling him a pussy

i took no offense
whatsoever

shutup pussy! :innocent:

[torker]

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/rainbow%20teddy%20bear%201.jpg

[torker]

http://benzekri.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/muslim_american_girl.jpg

[spoon]

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/rainbow%20teddy%20bear%201.jpg

This reminds me of the good old days before Hammer was a mod. He'd make actually dick slurping posts like this daily in an effort to become a mod....er file sharing....er justjon rimming....you get the deal. Pay up Slurpee Bear!

[Barnaby Jones]

I don't blame you, with people enforcing "rules" like that why bother posting here anymore.

sailor is just protecting his alias yet again! Old news, sadly!

[hanso]

Burn a Quran Day Fails Miserably.

Pastor Terry Jones has stated that he intended for his church group to burn copies of the Holy Quran on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

Unfortunately for Pastor Terry, the book burning event turned out to be a colossal disaster. “I took out three copies of the Koran from the library and set ‘em ablaze and now they’re hitting me with this huge overdue fine that I can’t repay. I owe the library $600″.

http://maniacmuslim.com/?p=965

[Kevin]

Burn a Quran Day Fails Miserably.

Pastor Terry Jones has stated that he intended for his church group to burn copies of the Holy Quran on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

Unfortunately for Pastor Terry, the book burning event turned out to be a colossal disaster. ``I took out three copies of the Koran from the library and set `em ablaze and now they`re hitting me with this huge overdue fine that I can`t repay. I owe the library $600?.

http://maniacmuslim.com/?p=965



I hope he goes to jail and gets raped by a Muslim brotha.

[StanUpshaw]

I think we should just stick with Draw Muhammad Day:

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[PapaBear]

Burn a Quran Day Fails Miserably.

Pastor Terry Jones has stated that he intended for his church group to burn copies of the Holy Quran on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

Unfortunately for Pastor Terry, the book burning event turned out to be a colossal disaster. “I took out three copies of the Koran from the library and set ‘em ablaze and now they’re hitting me with this huge overdue fine that I can’t repay. I owe the library $600″.

http://maniacmuslim.com/?p=965
Two hundred bucks a copy? No wonder they are so protective of them! I wonder if you can get free Qurans in Muslim hotels.

[Dude!]

I hope he goes to jail and gets raped by a Muslim brotha.

like you did

[StanUpshaw]

like you did

Fuck his ass, make him humble.

[sailor]

Burn a Quran Day Fails Miserably.

Pastor Terry Jones has stated that he intended for his church group to burn copies of the Holy Quran on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

Unfortunately for Pastor Terry, the book burning event turned out to be a colossal disaster. “I took out three copies of the Koran from the library and set ‘em ablaze and now they’re hitting me with this huge overdue fine that I can’t repay. I owe the library $600″.

http://maniacmuslim.com/?p=965

does no one else see that's an onion-esque spoof site?

[A.J.]

I wonder if you can get free Qurans in Muslim hotels.

When in Doha, A.J. checked into his room.

Only to find Gideon's Quran.

[Jackie Puppet]

Fox sucks. They inflate/deflate protest crowd #s (once again) to fit their agenda.
Pathetic.

[spoon]

When in Doha, A.J. checked into his room.

Only to find Gideon's Quran.

AJ had come, equipped with a gun? :blink:

[hanso]

does no one else see that's an onion-esque spoof site?

I didn't want to go to that site. But ended up there trying to c&p title. It looks goofy. And it was getting late to find ligit ones. Unless that was a trial run it was a spoof.

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Pastor Terry Jones of Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, FL has announced "International Burn a Qu'ran Day" in which bla bla bla

There is lots on him in news/blog searches and some dirt.

Pastor Terry Jones looks like the male equivalent of Shirley Roper-Philps

[KnoxHarrington]

One of the most provocative claims opponents of the "Ground Zero Mosque" (sic) have made is that this community center will be some sort of al-Qaida recruiting center.

Well, they might be doing a bit of recruitment for al-Qaida themselves with this horseshit.

The supercharged debate over the proposed center has attracted the attention of a quiet, underground audience — young Muslims who drift in and out of jihadi chat rooms and frequent radical Islamic sites on the Web. It has become the No. 1 topic of discussion in recent days and proof positive, according to some of the posted messages, that America is indeed at war with Islam.

"This, unfortunately, is playing right into their hands," said Evan F. Kohlmann, who tracks these kinds of websites and chat rooms for Flashpoint Global partners, a New York-based security firm. "Extremists are encouraging all this, with glee.

"It is their sense that by doing this that Americans are going to alienate American Muslims to the point where even relatively moderate Muslims are going to be pushed into joining extremist movements like al-Qaida. They couldn't be happier."

Even dumbass George W. Bush knew to make a point that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were not general wars against Islam, because he knew what an ugly can of worms that was going to open. These stupid idiots don't care.

So these douchebags are probably doing more to encourage another 9/11 than this community center ever would. Nice job, teabaggers.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129387963

[SatCam]

One of the most provocative claims opponents of the "Ground Zero Mosque" (sic) have made is that this community center will be some sort of al-Qaida recruiting center.

Well, they might be doing a bit of recruitment for al-Qaida themselves with this horseshit.



Even dumbass George W. Bush knew to make a point that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were not general wars against Islam, because he knew what an ugly can of worms that was going to open. These stupid idiots don't care.

So these douchebags are probably doing more to encourage another 9/11 than this community center ever would. Nice job, teabaggers.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129387963

I think it goes both ways. The ground zero mosque protestors would love to see muslim extremists attack america so we have another excuse to whipe them off the planet. Both sides instigate eachother

[StanUpshaw]

Yeah, if a couple poorly-spelled posterboard signs can turn normal Muslims into radical Muslims, then that only ends up reinforcing the alarmists' perceptions.

[angrymissy]

....

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20100823GZMProtestMissiles2.jpg

[Dude!]

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20100823GZMProtestMissiles2.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

....

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20100823GZMProtestMissiles2.jpg

What a bunch of fools!!! I don't think thats proper flag etiquette.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/islam_will_dominate_world1.jpg


Does anyone think Benedict will call for a new Crusade ?

[A.J.]

....

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20100823GZMProtestMissiles2.jpg

Is that thing an "ambassador of death" like Iran's? (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2759746&postcount=66)

[hanso]

It's only being called a mosque. Because FNC said it was over and over. Joseph Goebbels would be proud.

[sailor]

Long before there was any controversy, I believe everyone was calling it a mosque. I remember hearing cultural center much, much later.

[Dude!]

It's only being called a mosque. Because FNC said it was over and over. Joseph Goebbels would be proud.

um, i believe that the
liberal AP is the group
that dubbed it the
'ground zero mosque'

[Jujubees2]

I wonder how many people realize that the building is currently being used for prayer service?

It may be useful in some stories to note that Muslim prayer services have been held since 2009 in the building that the new project will replace. The proposal is to create a new, larger Islamic community center that would include a mosque, a swimming pool, gym, auditorium and other facilities.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=193637

[Serpico1103]

I wonder how many people realize that the building is currently being used for prayer service?

It may be useful in some stories to note that Muslim prayer services have been held since 2009 in the building that the new project will replace. The proposal is to create a new, larger Islamic community center that would include a mosque, a swimming pool, gym, auditorium and other facilities.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=193637

Planning for 9/11 began in 2009. They were already planning to build their victory Mosque. Animals.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wonder how many people realize that the building is currently being used for prayer service?

It may be useful in some stories to note that Muslim prayer services have been held since 2009 in the building that the new project will replace. The proposal is to create a new, larger Islamic community center that would include a mosque, a swimming pool, gym, auditorium and other facilities.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=193637

I wonder if there will be 2 separate pools. Islamic law forbids a woman to be exposed to a man other than her husband

[Misteriosa]

I wonder if there will be 2 separate pools. Islamic law forbids a woman to be exposed to a man other than her husband

or they can schedule different swimming sessions.

[Furtherman]

I'd imagine there will be a lot of burqua related drownings.

[Barnaby Jones]

I wonder if there will be 2 separate pools. Islamic law forbids a woman to be exposed to a man other than her husband

I think WF thinks there's just one giant version of Islam!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I think WF thinks there's just one giant version of Islam!

Actually BJ there are Sunni Shia and Sufi which are the major sects.

[Serpico1103]

I think WF thinks there's just one giant version of Islam!

Actually BJ there are Sunni Shia and Sufi which are the major sects.

WF has all the understanding of Islam that GWB did. But, has a better command of Googling on the internets.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF has all the understanding of Islam that GWB did. But, has a better command of Googling on the internets.

Or already previously knowing the basics.

Next youre going to assume that I think Persians and Arabs are the same ?

Nice try

[Serpico1103]

Or already previously knowing the basics.

Next youre going to assume that I think Persians and Arabs are the same ?

Nice try

I'll assume you are as simple and binary thinking as you have shown yourself to be.

[A.J.]

Actually BJ there are Sunni Shia and Sufi which are the major sects.

And don't forget Ibadi which is what the Omanis believe!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'll assume you are as simple and binary thinking as you have shown yourself to be.

The only ass in this matter is you.

[Willmore]

I'll assume you are as simple and binary thinking as you have shown yourself to be.

Binary thought assumes at least a duality of ideas. For WF, that's not the case, in his world, there is one view - his - and the rest doesn't compute. That's called unary thinking.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Binary thought assumes at least a duality of ideas. For WF, that's not the case, in his world, there is one view - his - and the rest doesn't compute. That's called unary thinking.

Again!!!

Prove me wrong and find where I said they can not build the Mosque, Cultural ctr or whatever the word du jour is.



Binary thought is saying that they have a right to build it and people have a right to petition/oppose it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And don't forget Ibadi which is what the Omanis believe!

Also Calypso Lou's N.O.I.

But thats probably more of a political movement

[Willmore]

Again!!!

Prove me wrong and find where I said they can not build the Mosque, Cultural ctr or whatever the word du jour is.



Binary thought is saying that they have a right to build it and people have a right to petition/oppose it.

Exactly. You have one thought, any idea that does not exactly match yours, you ignore, never address, and simply repeat your original idea.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Exactly. You have one thought, any idea that does not exactly match yours, you ignore, never address, and simply repeat your original idea.

Those are 2 thoughts.

Being closed minded is saying that people don't have a right to petition against it.

The 1st ammendment isnt there just for convenience.

Not everyone opposing it is some racist rube, teabagging hayseed, redneck hick.

[Willmore]

Those are 2 thoughts.

Being closed minded is saying that people don't have a right to petition against it.

The 1st ammendment isnt there just for convenience

You're wrong, but I don't have the time, energy, or desire to argue. I'll grant you one thing, you are a master of argument by attrition.

[Contra]

One of the most provocative claims opponents of the "Ground Zero Mosque" (sic) have made is that this community center will be some sort of al-Qaida recruiting center.

Well, they might be doing a bit of recruitment for al-Qaida themselves with this horseshit.



Even dumbass George W. Bush knew to make a point that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were not general wars against Islam, because he knew what an ugly can of worms that was going to open. These stupid idiots don't care.

So these douchebags are probably doing more to encourage another 9/11 than this community center ever would. Nice job, teabaggers.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129387963

They started it

[sailor]

Exactly. You have one thought, any idea that does not exactly match yours, you ignore, never address, and simply repeat your original idea.

Both sides aren't doing exactly that? No one is convincing anyone else, it's just silly to keep going round and round.

[booster11373]

Also Calypso Lou's N.O.I.

But thats probably more of a political movement

You fail at being a Rush Limbaugh impersonator

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This isn't going to help people opposed to the mosque


http://www.lohud.com/article/20100825/NEWS04/8250362/Update-Michael-Enright-of-Southeast-charged-with-stabbing-NYC-cab-driver-for-being-Muslim