~ Espn ~

[spoon]

Let me just sum it up for you, and this applies to every single one of their awful fucking networks.

1) Lebron ate a sandwich.
2) Strasburg, will he strike out 50 guys in one inning?
3) Yankees, how do they do it!?
4) LeBron got out of a car and stepped in gum.
5) Vick is in trouble, now Vick isn't in trouble.
6) LeBron cleaned his shoes.

FUCK ESPN! :wallbash:

[Fallon]

I'm glad I have a choice to watch other networks now.

NHL Network
NBA Network
MLB network
NFL Network

Sometimes just as bad, but at least there is options.

[Sinestro]

Let me just sum it up for you, and this applies to every single one of their awful fucking networks.

1) Lebron ate a sandwich.
2) Strasburg, will he strike out 50 guys in one inning?
3) Yankees, how do they do it!?
4) LeBron got out of a car and stepped in gum.
5) Vick is in trouble, now Vick isn't in trouble.
6) LeBron cleaned his shoes.

Repeat 20 times during the day the same stories


:wallbash:

[spoon]

:wallbash:

Hey! Stop changing my quotes! :nono:

[Kevin]

You forgot the Knicks have no shot at insert name here stories.

[spoon]

You forgot the Knicks have no shot at insert name here stories.

I'm convinced ur watching ASPN bc I've yet to see that EVER!

Get real cable you commie!

[Kevin]

I'm convinced ur watching ASPN bc I've yet to see that EVER!

Get real cable you commie!



EVERY PLAYER

[spoon]

EVERY PLAYER


well then ASPN is right and rules

[Kevin]

I'm not sure if you have time to watch ESPN with all the soccer you are watching.

[spoon]

I'm not sure if you have time to watch ESPN with all the soccer you are watching.

usually it's on espn

[Dudeman]

farve threw a football to a high schooler

http://images.publicradio.org/content/2009/07/15/20090715_brettfavre_33.jpg

[Kevin]

Damn Good point..

I suck.

[spoon]

farve threw a football to a high schooler

http://images.publicradio.org/content/2009/07/15/20090715_brettfavre_33.jpg

ha!

[KnoxHarrington]

Looks like someone is in the Budweiser Hot Seat

[Tenbatsuzen]

Don't forget your Coors Light Freeze Frame... FREEZE IT

[Ritalin]

On the plus side: No more Stephen A. Smith.

[Kevin]

Don't forget your Coors Light Freeze Frame... FREEZE IT

Still better than YES-MO...

[KnoxHarrington]

Remember when they took it upon themselves to bestow the name "Titletown" on some city, basically telling Green Bay to go fuck themselves?

What's their next promotion? Trying to pick a new Big Apple?

[spoon]

Remember when they took it upon themselves to bestow the name "Titletown" on some city, basically telling Green Bay to go fuck themselves?

What's their next promotion? Trying to pick a new Big Apple?

LOVED the "who's now" contest.

http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2007/07/03/espns_weve_run_out_of_ideas_idea.jpg

[hanso]

I'm glad I have a choice to watch other networks now.

NHL Network
NBA Network
MLB network
NFL Network

Sometimes just as bad, but at least there is options.

It's only good when your team wins. But there is fantasy sports.


Why isnt jimmy johnson extenze commercial on espn?

[underdog]

LOVED the "who's now" contest.

http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2007/07/03/espns_weve_run_out_of_ideas_idea.jpg

Ugh, that was the fucking worst.

And Rick Reilly makes me change the channel every time. He's fucking horrible.

[oxydendrum]

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/834/bayless.jpg
"Hi, I'm going to kick and scream incoherently." -Bayless

http://tinyurl.com/2g749ly

[Dudeman]

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/john-clayton-2.jpg

[Snoogans]

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/motion/2009/0607/dm_090607_stuart_scott_question.jpg

BOOYAH!

(messed up eye brought to you by a juggs machine at NY Jets training camp)

[spoon]

what caused all the other things fucked up with him? as in EVERY stupid thing he says.

[Snoogans]

what caused all the other things fucked up with him? as in EVERY stupid thing he says.

HOLLA!

[TheGameHHH]

HOLLA!

yo that is just straight stupid fresh dog, kid went bonkers with that post.

[Tenbatsuzen]

During last night's sportscenter, someone actually referenced Tony Toni Tone and then screamed "THE SUN!"

oh, and:

http://mlbinsights.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/tx_joemorgan_all.jpg

[torker]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RP73nFVK15U/SHN8NktXhHI/AAAAAAAAB8w/Tq_2wNchkE4/s400/Olbermann-Patrick-NBC.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RP73nFVK15U/SHN8NktXhHI/AAAAAAAAB8w/Tq_2wNchkE4/s400/Olbermann-Patrick-NBC.jpg

welcome......to the big show

[JPMNICK]

bring me your finest meats and cheeses for a clubhouse feast

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://www.msnsportsnet.com/content/TomMees.jpg

Hey, where do I go to interview Summer Sanders?

[Barnaby Jones]

ESPN is painful!

FILL THINE HORN WITH TERRIBLE SPORTS BROADCASTING!

[K.C.]

Honestly, before World Cup, I can't remember the last time I watched ESPN...so done with all their regular shows.

Their podcenter on the webpage isn't bad though...few decent podcasts.

[Barnaby Jones]

Most of the 30 for 30 documentaries have been great!

[torker]

http://meetinthelobby.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/bronxisburning.jpg

[spoon]

Most of the 30 for 30 documentaries have been great!

probably bc that's actual reporting

[Barnaby Jones]

probably bc that's actual reporting

And mostly made by people who have nothing to do with ESPN!

[El Mudo]

Highest of high comedy was last week, when they "discovered" purple drank.

[epo]

I love how shocked their analysts are that Strasburg didn't make the All-Star team.

Seriously...he's only started 6 games!

[oxydendrum]

http://www.msnsportsnet.com/content/TomMees.jpg

Hey, where do I go to interview Summer Sanders?

Tom Mees had a great locker room interview with Davy Jones.

[torker]

HOLLA!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XdF7bWUoYNM/SuCQZrzjqcI/AAAAAAAAAMY/sgkgtjwBs30/s320/steve+phillips+girlfriend.jpg

[spoon]

I love how shocked their analysts are that Strasburg didn't make the All-Star team.

Seriously...he's only started 6 games!

that is such a joke too

hype is all they report

[Barnaby Jones]

In a roundabout way they're right on that one! The stupid ASG game should just be an exhibition, especially if they're going to keep up the option of letting the asshole fans vote! Strasburg should be there! It should be a fucking freak show! Dance for me, my pretties!

[epo]

In a roundabout way they're right on that one! The stupid ASG game should just be an exhibition, especially if they're going to keep up the option of letting the asshole fans vote! Strasburg should be there! It should be a fucking freak show! Dance for me, my pretties!

If that's the case, then I want Michael Barrett to catch for Carlos Zambrano.

[Barnaby Jones]

Make the whole thing a spectacle!

[spoon]

If that's the case, then I want Michael Barrett to catch for Carlos Zambrano.

Pete Rose haircut booth and all!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Tom Mees had a great locker room interview with Davy Jones.

Oh, god damn that's awesome.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Most of the 30 for 30 documentaries have been great!

You're a complete tool, but I agree with you on this point.

[Tenbatsuzen]

ESPN should remember why Strasburg isn't in the All Star Game:

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6088/03499941.jpg

[A.J.]

We should have followed him....TO FREEDOM.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slideshows/1032/slideshow_103224/display_image.jpg

[Snoogans]

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[KnoxHarrington]

I've always been annoyed at how, with Pardon The Interruption, they've split out the last segment and put it on during SportsCenter, often about 20 minutes or so in. It's a stupid, obvious ploy to get people to stick around to watch SportsCenter, but it disrupts the flow of the show terribly.

And there are places where they don't get that last segment at all because of it: that's why Mr. Tony says "Goodnight, Canada" at the end of the show. Because Canada's getting gypped out of the end of the show by this cheap stunt.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I've always been annoyed at how, with Pardon The Interruption, they've split out the last segment and put it on during SportsCenter, often about 20 minutes or so in. It's a stupid, obvious ploy to get people to stick around to watch SportsCenter, but it disrupts the flow of the show terribly.

And there are places where they don't get that last segment at all because of it: that's why Mr. Tony says "Goodnight, Canada" at the end of the show. Because Canada's getting gypped out of the end of the show by this cheap stunt.

ESPN has gotten so far away from it's core values, it's ridiculous. It just shows how corporate entities and Norby can change things and send them right into the shitter.

[hanso]

As long as Linda Cohn wears pants. It's all good.

[sailor]

apparently they're giving lebron an hour-long show to unveil his (new) team.

[hanso]

apparently they're giving lebron an hour-long show to unveil his (new) team.

Lebron to The Generals you heard it here first. I smell a win number four for them sometime after he joins.

[spoon]

Can't wait until they announce he's heading here!

http://iloveuab.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/birmingham-barons-baseball-logo.jpg

[KnoxHarrington]

I know the phrases "journalistic integrity" and "ESPN" do not belong together, but this really does seem like a conflict of interest. Will they report on it if it leaks before this dog n pony show?

The fact that is is going to be an hour special makes me long for apocalypse.

[Fallon]

I know the phrases "journalistic integrity" and "ESPN" do not belong together, but this really does seem like a conflict of interest. Will they report on it if it leaks before this dog n pony show?

The fact that is is going to be an hour special makes me long for apocalypse.

So you won't be watching?

[Snoogans]

he said he will announce within the first 10 minutes. So hopefully i only gotta watch 9 minutes of this shit

[STC-Dub]

he said he will announce within the first 10 minutes. So hopefully i only gotta watch 9 minutes of this shit

That is 9 more minutes than I will watch.

[KnoxHarrington]

Here's the worst thing about ESPN having the British Open this year: they just forced a lame Rick Riley piece into it.

Jesus, does he blow

[Mitch&Murray]

There are reasons that the network can be forgiven (http://celebrity-gossip.net/espy-awards-2010/photo/erin-andrews-0)

[underdog]

Here's the worst thing about ESPN having the British Open this year: they just forced a lame Rick Riley piece into it.

Jesus, does he blow

He's fucking HORRIBLE.

[hanso]

Where is PTI and around the horn? Its sportsnation now. aaaahhbboooo!

[STC-Dub]

They were on vacation this week, will be back Monday.

[KnoxHarrington]

So I turn on ESPN and see they're still trying to cram this X-Games garbage down our throats.

Hey ESPN, why not drop this crap and just do a better job covering real sports.

[STC-Dub]

They won't because they "own" the X-Games. At least I think they do -- meaning they do not have to pay anyone to cover it like they do a "real" sport.

[King Imp]

Where is PTI and around the horn? Its sportsnation now. aaaahhbboooo!

Nothing wrong with SportsNation. It's a fun show. Plus, Michelle Beadle is pretty hot.

[KnoxHarrington]

Nothing wrong with SportsNation. It's a fun show. Plus, Michelle Beadle is pretty hot.

I can think of a major problem with it: it's hosted by mega-douche Colin Cowherd.

[Snoogans]

So I turn on ESPN and see they're still trying to cram this X-Games garbage down our throats.

Hey ESPN, why not drop this crap and just do a better job covering real sports.

They won't because they "own" the X-Games. At least I think they do -- meaning they do not have to pay anyone to cover it like they do a "real" sport.

anyone who says these guys arent athletes you are fuckin nuts. Watch the guy who fell on his head from 100 feet tonight. These guys are athletes and these are legitimate sports. They take tons of physical skills and mental ability.

I will not sit here and let people be so ignorant on things. It might not be traditional, and yea they may have judges. But this is just as much a fuckin sport and they are just as much athletes as anyone else.

And as much as you think they are "cramming garbage" down your throat, the x games get bigger ratings than 75% of other sporting events on espn. basically the NFL and some college football are the only things that beat it. Its on because people want it on.

it might be just about the only thing left i enjoy on espn after college football games. And its just about the only thing left anywhere with announcers who know what they are talking about

[spoon]

nope hated it since they were called dare devils and or did it under circus tents.

are they athletic and or skilled, sure...but guess what, so are soccer players and we all know that's not a true sport.

[Kevin]

nope hated it since they were called dare devils and or did it under circus tents.

are they athletic and or skilled, sure...but guess what, so are soccer players and we all know that's not a true sport.



Wrestlers are some of the best athletes on the planet, and thats not a real sport either..

[Snoogans]

Wrestlers are some of the best athletes on the planet, and thats not a real sport either..

nonsense. real wrestling is definately a real sport. WWE isnt only cause its choreographed. If they went in and somehow really did that shit without the other person helping, then it would be

[Ogre]

I can think of a major problem with it: it's hosted by mega-douche Colin Cowherd.

word

[Ogre]

I SEE

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/john-clayton-2.jpg

AND I THINK


http://www.weirdspace.dk/SouthPark/Graphics/Mackey.gif



EVERYTIME

[hanso]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol:
:lol:

[STC-Dub]

I SEE



AND I THINK


http://www.weirdspace.dk/SouthPark/Graphics/Mackey.gif



EVERYTIME

Mmm, Okay?

[brettmojo]

Winter X > Summer X

[hanso]

Winter X > Summer X

XXX >Winter X + Summer X

[Snoogans]

Winter X > Summer X

i agree with this but i still love both sides

[KnoxHarrington]

I wonder why Around The Horn and PTI got bumped for the awful SportsNation again Friday afternoon.

I mean, it's my understanding that those two shows are among ESPN's highest-rated -- and that PTI often actually gets better ratings than the SportsCenter broadcast that follows it -- but I wouldn't put it past the "Worldwide Leader" to want to replace them with this junk.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I HATE ESPN..... The personalities are so full of themselves and the shows are Garbage.... Its seems that they have relationships with certain stars and will over hype them instead of being impartial.......


Will Only watch ESPN News and while it is muted..........

[spoon]

I HATE ESPN..... The personalities are so full of themselves and the shows are Garbage.... Its seems that they have relationships with certain stars and will over hype them instead of being impartial.......


Will Only watch ESPN News and while it is muted..........

Yah and even ESPN News focuses on the core messages these days. I usually can't even see anything dif on it versus the full sportscenter. Usually they put any big story on it and sneak in whatever sports they actually cover, as in WNBA over any other sport or lower tier shit as they continue to think it may actually take off and get a 0.5 share.

[underdog]

Is Stuart Scott going blind? His eyes get more fucked up with every broadcast.

SportsCenter started the Broncos highlight surprised that Champ Bailey was a great, shut down corner back. Really? You're surprised that Bailey is a good CB?

[spoon]

Is Stuart Scott going blind? His eyes get more fucked up with every broadcast.

SportsCenter started the Broncos highlight surprised that Champ Bailey was a great, shut down corner back. Really? You're surprised that Bailey is a good CB?

Ha, was watching the SC too. He also used oldies but awfuls "cool as the other side of the pillow" for Damon and "haterade". I hate him sooo.

[hammersavage]

First time I saw Antonio Pierce on ESPN earlier this evening. He's as bad as could be.

[spoon]

Top story on espn a few minutes ago, "Farve is now 30,000 ft or so above us right now heading toward Minnesota for a meeting of some kind."

Just now they showed a live feed of a few planes at the airport in taxi mode on the ground and said, "one of these planes has Brett Farve on it."

I mean really?! Fuck this bullshit. :wallbash: click

[Snoogans]

Top story on espn a few minutes ago, "Farve is now 30,000 ft or so above us right now heading toward Minnesota for a meeting of some kind."

Just now they showed a live feed of a few planes at the airport in taxi mode on the ground and said, "one of these planes has Brett Farve on it."

I mean really?! Fuck this bullshit. :wallbash: click

you obviously dont get it. ONE OF THOSE PLANES HAS BRETT FAVRE ON IT!

[spoon]

you obviously dont get it. ONE OF THOSE PLANES HAS BRETT FAVRE ON IT!

I tuned back in briefly to get the start time of the Jay's game and was fortunate enough to catch the helicopter footage of Farve in an SUV! They actually followed him from plane to the viking facilities.

The kicker is the host kept asking local beat writers if they are sick of Farve playing it up to the media and the circus he brings in the midst of their 24/7 Farve bs coverage. I'm so sure Farve planned on having copters follow him as he picks his nose and falls asleep on a plane and in a car. Fucking classic. ESPN, what happened to you.

[KnoxHarrington]

The Little League World Series has begun airing on ESPN today.

I'm very uncomfortable with this being on TV this way. It probably adds a whole other level of pressure on these kids to win, and turns the event into a media circus. It probably reached its nadir a few years back with a team from the Bronx (I think) that posed and showboated in a way that would embarass NBA players.

That would still be going on without ESPN, of course, but I can't help that ESPN's presence encourages the worst in this tournament.

[Snoogans]

The Little League World Series has begun airing on ESPN today.

I'm very uncomfortable with this being on TV this way. It probably adds a whole other level of pressure on these kids to win, and turns the event into a media circus. It probably reached its nadir a few years back with a team from the Bronx (I think) that posed and showboated in a way that would embarass NBA players.

That would still be going on without ESPN, of course, but I can't help that ESPN's presence encourages the worst in this tournament.

and also had a 14 year old kid pitching almost every game

[JimBeam]

Just listened to that idiot Skip Bayless compare Kellen Moore to Joe Montana.

How do they let that guy open his mouth ?

He was going on about Moore's 74 TDs in 3 years yet never mentioned that Colt Brennan had 96 in 2 seasons, in the same conference, and yet hasn't done anything in the NFL.

And Brennan is much more of the prototypical NFL QB at least in size/weight.

[razorboy]

He was going on about Moore's 74 TDs in 3 years yet never mentioned that Colt Brennan had 96 in 2 seasons, in the same conference, and yet hasn't done anything in the NFL.

And Brennan is much more of the prototypical NFL QB at least in size/weight.

I'll play devil's advocate to an extent. Kellen Moore isn't Joe Montana, obviously. That said, the Boise State offense is about 85% traditional WCO, while Brennan ran Jones's run and shoot on steroids. Physically, Moore looks across the board like a Ty Detmer clone which doesn't say a lot for his pro prospects. He's certainly smart enough to absorb any coach's playbook, but his physical limitations are pretty obvious. I think he has the opportunity to be a servicable backup for a team rooted in the WCO with an established and durable starter.

Also, Moore has 99 career passing TDs.

[JimBeam]

They had mentioned 74 TDs for Moore so I'm not sure where they were getting that number. The one guest actually said 71 and Bayless corrected him.

Brennan, statistically, would still be better w/ the 96 TDs in 2 seasons ( an NCAA record ).

I mentioned this in the college football thread but one of the reasons I was anti-Boise St this season is because people had somewhat the same feeling for Hawaii back in 2007, when they were undefeated, before getting loaded on by Georgia.

The reference to Detmer was made but they agreed that Moore has a better arm.

Bayless was saying he could be a starter for some teams. Said he wouldn't be Brady/Manning but could be a starter on other teams.

References were also made by Marcellus Whiley ( sp ?? ), another guy whose 15 minutes should be up, comparing Moore to Drew Brees.

[cougarjake13]

Just listened to that idiot Skip Bayless compare Kellen Moore to Joe Montana.

How do they let that guy open his mouth ?

He was going on about Moore's 74 TDs in 3 years yet never mentioned that Colt Brennan had 96 in 2 seasons, in the same conference, and yet hasn't done anything in the NFL.

And Brennan is much more of the prototypical NFL QB at least in size/weight.

is brennan even still in the nfl ?? i think he was on redskins they could use him

[JimBeam]

I'm not sure but I don't think so. Not sure if he ever came back after that car accident.

[JimBeam]

Cris Carter's another guy that drives me crazy.

Yesterday he's filling in on Mikie & Mike w/ Ryan Rosilo ( sp ?? ) and they get on the subject of extending the NFL season to 18 games.

So Carter starts going on about how the players will actually lose money in spite of raised revenues.

So Ryan brings up that he believes that NFL players get 60% of revenues and the owners get 40%.

So Carter keeps saying that unlike other businesses the players will not make more money.

So then Ryan points out the simple mathematics that 60% of more revenue is still greater than 60% of less revenue.

Of course Carter continues to argues the point despite thousands of years of mathematics.

[Snacks]

the union actually figured it out. they will actually make less money. for a couple of reason. careers will be shorter. 60% might be what their revenue sharing now but part of the new cba is to lower to 52% to something crazy. The biggest reason they will make less is there will be 4-7 more players on the rosters meaning even if it stayed at 60% 7 more players would be getting part of that 60% per team so it actually lowers the avg available to the players.

You can argue all you want about whatever you want but I think Cris Carter knows a little more about it then you or I. Maybe he couldnt explain it properly but it has been talked about since they mentioned this that the players would make less in this new cba and by extending to 18 games.

[JimBeam]

But he wasn't debating the issue w/ you or I.

He was debating it w/ his cohost.

If he can't explain his points then he shouldn't bring them up or say he doesn't know.

He never said " No they won't get 60% they'll get 52%. "

He just acted, like he always does, that he's the best and the smartest and he's neither.

[JimBeam]

... players would make less in this new cba and by extending to 18 games.

Yet the genius never mentioned that 60% or 52% of nothing is still nothing if there's a lockout.

[Snacks]

Yet the genius never mentioned that 60% or 52% of nothing is still nothing if there's a lockout.

Im not saying hes a great debater or hes smart Im just saying he is right. They have been talking about this on ESPN for weeks now and Im sure hes using what he heard from there and from his old Union.

[JimBeam]

Understandable but I think it's jornalism/broadcast basics to not engage in topics on which you can not elaborate or defend. Specifically something w/ facts in this case the numbers.

[Snacks]

ESPN just reported that Joe Pa will coach his last game this year at the Bowl game. It was reported that the source is Joe Pa's wife!

Its time for him to retire but it will be odd not seeing him!

[JimBeam]

I heard that rumor circulating on a few shows some time last week.

Makes sense. He's got nothing left to prove and staying longer actually does more damage to his resume than it helps it.

Maybe he should send a pic of his junk to somebody and go out in style.

[KnoxHarrington]

ESPN just reported that Joe Pa will coach his last game this year at the Bowl game. It was reported that the source is Joe Pa's wife!

Its time for him to retire but it will be odd not seeing him!

All I'm seeing on this on their site so far is Paterno's wife calling rumors of his failing health "lies" and "crazy rumors." Where did you hear this?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/news/story?id=5961692

[JimBeam]

They just mentioned the story on First Take but I didn't catch it all so I'm not sure if they were debunking it.

[Snacks]

All I'm seeing on this on their site so far is Paterno's wife calling rumors of his failing health "lies" and "crazy rumors." Where did you hear this?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/news/story?id=5961692

espn sport center!

[JimBeam]

Colin Cowherd has been unlistenable the last few days.

He can not get Lebron James' jock out of his mouth.

[foodcourtdruide]

Colin Cowherd has been unlistenable always.

He can not get Lebron James' jock out of his mouth.

Corrected your typo.

[JimBeam]

In the past I've found him more listenable than not but after taking a break for a few months that has changed.

The last 3 days have been awful.

It's as if he's running a Lebron James fan show.

[Snoogans]

In the past I've found him more listenable than not but after taking a break for a few months that has changed.

The last 3 days have been awful.

It's as if he's running a Lebron James fan show.

apparently he is bitter and angry cause CBS announced that they werent going to pick up his awful idea for a sitcom

[JimBeam]

Was the premise of the show a guy who thinks socioeconomic factors decide whether a fan likes a player or not ?

Apparently he just said that people who don't like James don't like him because they themselves are working class and James can live in fancy cities.

LOL, what an idiot.

[El Mudo]

apparently he is bitter and angry cause CBS announced that they werent going to pick up his awful idea for a sitcom

But don't worry, the Mark Schlereth (http://deadspin.com/5782013/we-have-the-surprisingly-cock+obsessed-pilot-for-mark-schlereths-sitcom/gallery/1) and Mike Greenberg sitcoms (http://deadspin.com/5798995/mike-greenberg-is-getting-a-sitcom-why-tv-people-think-youre-an-idiot) are still out there.

[Snoogans]

Was the premise of the show a guy who thinks socioeconomic factors decide whether a fan likes a player or not ?

Apparently he just said that people who don't like James don't like him because they themselves are working class and James can live in fancy cities.

LOL, what an idiot.

im not kidding, the premise of the show, which was called Herd Mentality or something. Was a guy who works as a sports talk host, nick herd, and he works with some chick (michele beadle) and has a wife and an ex wife and then....im not really sure what. and i read the script for the pilot

[JimBeam]

Talk about a show about nothing.

[weekapaugjz]

im not kidding, the premise of the show, which was called Herd Mentality or something. Was a guy who works as a sports talk host, nick herd, and he works with some chick (michele beadle) and has a wife and an ex wife and then....im not really sure what. and i read the script for the pilot

i think you posted a link to the script awhile back. it was god awful.

[Snoogans]

i think you posted a link to the script awhile back. it was god awful.

its seriously bad enough that all these sports talk show hosts get their shows shown on tv when they are live. now they are all fuckin tryin to make fake shows based on the real shows that they do that are on TV and radio already

[HBox]

Has anyone else picked up the new book about ESPN, Those Guys Have All The Fun? It's an incredibly interesting read. The funniest thing about the book so far is how all of the early executives at ESPN are apparently liars with the way they all tell completely different stories about the same events. And how Don Ohlmeyer lucked his way into 20% of ESPN without ever adding anything to the network.

[Snoogans]

Has anyone else picked up the new book about ESPN, Those Guys Have All The Fun? It's an incredibly interesting read. The funniest thing about the book so far is how all of the early executives at ESPN are apparently liars with the way they all tell completely different stories about the same events. And how Don Ohlmeyer lucked his way into 20% of ESPN without ever adding anything to the network.

i wanna get it. deadspin has been putting up excerpts and deleted shit

[HBox]

i wanna get it. deadspin has been putting up excerpts and deleted shit

In the section about the sexual harassment problem at ESPN here is what Chris Berman responding to when Karie Ross finally stood up for the women at the company and against what was happening:

I was not at the cafeteria meeting, but Karie was right, I'm sure of that. I liked her. She was a great looking woman; still is, the last time I saw her.

That made me crack the fuck up.

[underdog]

But don't worry, the Mark Schlereth (http://deadspin.com/5782013/we-have-the-surprisingly-cock+obsessed-pilot-for-mark-schlereths-sitcom/gallery/1) and Mike Greenberg sitcoms (http://deadspin.com/5798995/mike-greenberg-is-getting-a-sitcom-why-tv-people-think-youre-an-idiot) are still out there.

Think the Schlereth one didn't get picked up.

[A.J.]

Has anyone else picked up the new book about ESPN, Those Guys Have All The Fun? It's an incredibly interesting read. The funniest thing about the book so far is how all of the early executives at ESPN are apparently liars with the way they all tell completely different stories about the same events. And how Don Ohlmeyer lucked his way into 20% of ESPN without ever adding anything to the network.

The author was on with The Sports Junkies down here yesterday morning. It sounds pretty interesting. The funniest part was that, in the early days, the was nothing else in Bristol, CT to do -- except massive amounts of coke.

[cougarjake13]

The author was on with The Sports Junkies down here yesterday morning. It sounds pretty interesting. The funniest part was that, in the early days, the was nothing else in Bristol, CT to do -- except massive amounts of coke.

i prefer rc cola

[KnoxHarrington]

The author was on with The Sports Junkies down here yesterday morning. It sounds pretty interesting. The funniest part was that, in the early days, the was nothing else in Bristol, CT to do -- except massive amounts of coke.

On East Side Dave's sports podcast, he and Pepper discussed this book, and they mentioned another scene in the book talking about an apartment that ESPN used to keep in Manhattan. Apparently, one day one of the execs came back in a panic, telling the top brass that they had to get rid of the apartment right away, because someone -- either an exec or even on-air talent -- was basically using the apartment as a base for hookers to work out of.

So, yes, someone at ESPN was quite literally a pimp.

Holy shit, do I want to read this book.

[HBox]

On East Side Dave's sports podcast, he and Pepper discussed this book, and they mentioned another scene in the book talking about an apartment that ESPN used to keep in Manhattan. Apparently, one day one of the execs came back in a panic, telling the top brass that they had to get rid of the apartment right away, because someone -- either an exec or even on-air talent -- was basically using the apartment as a base for hookers to work out of.

So, yes, someone at ESPN was quite literally a pimp.

Holy shit, do I want to read this book.

There is so much great shit in there and I haven't even made it half way through. There was shit in there about Mike Tirico that shocked me. As long he's working there ESPN can't say with a straight face that they care about the sexual harassment problem.

Even the non-salacious stuff is good. ESPN essentially got it's start because the guy who originally founded it was lucky enough to know a guy working for RCA and was able to bullshit his way into reserving a satellite transponder on the first broadcast satellite before the rest of the broadcast industry was even aware of its existence. He was somehow able to do this without having any money yet.

[MagillaGorillaz]

its seriously bad enough that all these sports talk show hosts get their shows shown on tv when they are live. now they are all fuckin tryin to make fake shows based on the real shows that they do that are on TV and radio already

Didn't we learn anything from the Tony Kornheiser sitcom.

[King Imp]

I would totally fuck Michelle Beadle. Just sayin'.

[NickyL0885]

I would totally fuck Michelle Beadle. Just sayin'.

Same here!

[HBox]

I just read the part about how the NHL left ESPN. It was clear that ESPN was lowballing them and trying to take advantage of the lockout but my opinion of Gary Bettman fell even more and I didn't think that was at all possible. The asshole actually brags about he shut down the sport for an entire season. And then talks himself in circles trying to defend the move.

The saddest part is that it seemed like the people at ESPN were interested in getting it back. But that ended up with the NHL signing up for 10 years at Versus just recently. Sigh. The playoffs are amazing this year and barely anybody knows it. Congrats Bettman. Enjoy driving your sport into obscurity. I'm so fucking disgusted without getting into the way the NHL ignored every suggestion ESPN made to try and grow their sport when they still were airing it.

[cougarjake13]

I would totally fuck Michelle Beadle. Just sayin'.

hell fucking yeh absolutely



but does the fact that she works in sports and seems to know a lot bout them make her more hotter than if she was just a normal chick ??


in the end doesnt matter ... hot is hot

[cougarjake13]

I just read the part about how the NHL left ESPN. It was clear that ESPN was lowballing them and trying to take advantage of the lockout but my opinion of Gary Bettman fell even more and I didn't think that was at all possible. The asshole actually brags about he shut down the sport for an entire season. And then talks himself in circles trying to defend the move.

The saddest part is that it seemed like the people at ESPN were interested in getting it back. But that ended up with the NHL signing up for 10 years at Versus just recently. Sigh. The playoffs are amazing this year and barely anybody knows it. Congrats Bettman. Enjoy driving your sport into obscurity. I'm so fucking disgusted without getting into the way the NHL ignored every suggestion ESPN made to try and grow their sport when they still were airing it.

what were some of the ideas?

[brettmojo]

what were some of the ideas?
A glowing puck.

[underdog]

what were some of the ideas?

Not going to Versus.

[HBox]

what were some of the ideas?

Bill Clement was talking about it in the book. There was nothing specific, he just mentioned they involved improved access, camera placement and interviews. All stuff that sounds remarkably similar to what the NHL did when they got onto NBC and Versus.

Apparently during that period, when Mark Shapiro was in charge, ESPN was pissing off all of the major sports leagues, especially. The NHL was the only one that decided to destroy itself in response.

[HBox]

BTW, the two people who are coming off worst in this book are Jim Gray and Chris Berman. Not surprising of course. But they both come off as nauseatingly in love with themselves. It's especially impressive job by Jim Gray who has only made a couple appearances so far. He wanted to make sure that everyone knew that when that infamous brawl in Detroit happened when Ron Artest ran into the stands that he was the only one who blamed the players on air, and that Mark Shapiro called him and congratulated him. Meanwhile John Saunders gives a long, intelligent and passionate defense of why he criticized the fans.

Seeing as I haven't even reached the part where he talks about "The Decision" that's mighty impressive. He might be the world's most gigantic douchebag.

[cougarjake13]

A glowing puck.

they did that

[sailor]

they did that

Was joke?

[cougarjake13]

Was joke?

no they actually did that one year i forget if it was nbc or espn but they highlighted the puck

[KnoxHarrington]

no they actually did that one year i forget if it was nbc or espn but they highlighted the puck

I think it was Fox, when they had hockey for about 2 weeks one season.

I remember that not only was the puck highlighted by a little purple dot as it moved around the ice, if someone fired a slap shot, they'd put a little vapor trail after it. It was just so, so gay.

[cougarjake13]

I think it was Fox, when they had hockey for about 2 weeks one season.

I remember that not only was the puck highlighted by a little purple dot as it moved around the ice, if someone fired a slap shot, they'd put a little vapor trail after it. It was just so, so gay.

yeh someone thought video game gimmicks would be good on tv

[TheGameHHH]

I think it was Fox, when they had hockey for about 2 weeks one season.

I remember that not only was the puck highlighted by a little purple dot as it moved around the ice, if someone fired a slap shot, they'd put a little vapor trail after it. It was just so, so gay.

whats even crazier is that technology was eventually used to design things like the yellow line we see now for first downs in every football game on tv. so it did produce something useful

[cougarjake13]

whats even crazier is that technology was eventually used to design things like the yellow line we see now for first downs in every football game on tv. so it did produce something useful

haha

at least its worth something then

[sailor]

no they actually did that one year i forget if it was nbc or espn but they highlighted the puck

I meant I think brettmojo was joking.

[cougarjake13]

I meant I think brettmojo was joking.

he might have been but it was true

[PapaBear]

no they actually did that one year i forget if it was nbc or espn but they highlighted the puck
That was Fox.

[Judge Smails]

It was called FoxTrax

http://<IFRAME height=390 src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/U1fbylFVYXI" frameBorder=0 width=480 allowfullscreen></IFRAME> (http://<iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/U1fbylFVYXI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>)

[sailor]

he might have been but it was true

I assume everyone knows it was true, hence offering it as a suggestion was his joke. You didn't think he independently came up with something they actually used?

[cougarjake13]

I assume everyone knows it was true, hence offering it as a suggestion was his joke. You didn't think he independently came up with something they actually used?

dunno



watching that vid i forgot how horrible it really was

[King Imp]

I would totally fuck Michelle Beadle. Just sayin'.

Was watching SportsNation again tonight. Christ, Beadle's tits looked huge.

[razorboy]

Was watching SportsNation again tonight. Christ, Beadle's tits looked huge.

Maybe she's expecting a Matthew Barnababy.

[cougarjake13]

Was watching SportsNation again tonight. Christ, Beadle's tits looked huge.

maybe got a vince mcmahon special

[JimBeam]

In the past I've found him more listenable than not but after taking a break for a few months that has changed.

The last 3 days have been awful.

It's as if he's running a Lebron James fan show.

Today he was defending James by saying that Bird and Johnson didn't have to deal with the pressures of sports radio and the internet and that's a difference.

He neglected to mention that Jordan dealt w/ at the very least the sports radio and how Bryant dealt w/ both.

[KnoxHarrington]

Today he was defending James by saying that Bird and Johnson didn't have to deal with the pressures of sports radio and the internet and that's a difference.

He neglected to mention that Jordan dealt w/ at the very least the sports radio and how Bryant dealt w/ both.

Yeah, back in the day the sports media never got on anyone's case or put any pressure on them. That never happened. Not at all.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/RogerMaris1961.jpg

I mean, when he was chasing Babe Ruth's record, the press loved Maris, praised him unreservedly, and was cheering him on. Right? Right?

[Snacks]

Yeah, back in the day the sports media never got on anyone's case or put any pressure on them. That never happened. Not at all.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/RogerMaris1961.jpg

I mean, when he was chasing Babe Ruth's record, the press loved Maris, praised him unreservedly, and was cheering him on. Right? Right?

They did it to hank Aaron as well. The media and the fans werent making it easy for him either.

[cougarjake13]

Yeah, back in the day the sports media never got on anyone's case or put any pressure on them. That never happened. Not at all.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/RogerMaris1961.jpg

I mean, when he was chasing Babe Ruth's record, the press loved Maris, praised him unreservedly, and was cheering him on. Right? Right?

they brutalized him


but imagine in todays media what woulda happened

[KnoxHarrington]

I finished the book "Those Guys Have All the Fun" last night. It's a great book, and I highly recommend it, but I do have to say it really kinda starts running out of steam near the end. The really interesting stuff is the beginning (I mean, this whole thing came out of a couple of dudes trying to get a show about Connecticut sports on the air) and how this started. It's a little less interesting once they actually do become the Worldwide Leader and rule the universe.

After reading this book, I have a whole new level of respect for Tony Kornheiser. He's been fucked over by ESPN more than once. First, they put him on Monday Night Football, but in a completely impossible position; douchebag Tirico (who should have been fired years ago for being a sexual harasser and stalker of epic proportions, far worse than Sean Salisbury's junk pix or Harold Reynolds' hug) did absolutely nothing to work Mr. Tony into the show, and Joe Thees-man, is, well, just a douche anyway. And then there's when he got fired from his radio show for not being sufficiently in awe of the glory of the Worldwide Leader, and then there's the whole ridiculous incident where just a lame joke about an awful outfit Hannah Storm wore turned into some sort of verbal rape on poor Hannah. It's obvious the suits hate him, mostly because he was given this role by Mark Shapiro, not them, but they can't get rid of him because PTI is such a monster hit for them. Which is just ridiculous.

Plus, Chris Berman hates him, and if that fat load of shit hates you, you must be doing something right.

[Dirtbag]

I would like to know who the soccer people have dick in mouth pictures of at ESPN. This network is so frustrating right now. Its late July/early August and soccer is getting almost as much time as baseball on SportsCenter when these fucks can shut up about the NFL for 2 seconds. Why are they going so far out of their way to promote this game? I kind of get it during the Olympics and World Cup, but nobody cares about these meaningless games going on right now.

Thank god for MLB Network.

[Snoogans]

I would like to know who the soccer people have dick in mouth pictures of at ESPN. This network is so frustrating right now. Its late July/early August and soccer is getting almost as much time as baseball on SportsCenter when these fucks can shut up about the NFL for 2 seconds. Why are they going so far out of their way to promote this game? I kind of get it during the Olympics and World Cup, but nobody cares about these meaningless games going on right now.

Thank god for MLB Network.

they do so much market research that people must care some, or they wouldnt do it. And ever since roids got out, not that many people care about baseball

[Fallon]

I would like to know who the soccer people have dick in mouth pictures of at ESPN. This network is so frustrating right now. Its late July/early August and soccer is getting almost as much time as baseball on SportsCenter when these fucks can shut up about the NFL for 2 seconds. Why are they going so far out of their way to promote this game? I kind of get it during the Olympics and World Cup, but nobody cares about these meaningless games going on right now.

Thank god for MLB Network.

Half of the top ten is soccer now.

Seems like there is a bicycle kick every day.

[Snacks]

seems like they are on a mission to push soccer to the main stream. they do this all the time they did it with poker, they did it with nascar and now they are doing it with soccer. this is a plan by someone to create a buzz. the last few weeks every single nights top 10 has included multiple soccer plays.

[spoon]

they do so much market research that people must care some, or they wouldnt do it. And ever since roids got out, not that many people care about baseball

bullshit, they cover what they carry

everyone knows that

[spoon]

seems like they are on a mission to push soccer to the main stream. they do this all the time they did it with poker, they did it with nascar and now they are doing it with soccer. this is a plan by someone to create a buzz. the last few weeks every single nights top 10 has included multiple soccer plays.

exactly

they even add wnba highlights WAYYYY too often bc they carry it

[Justice4all]

Anyone catch NFL Live tonight, giving Lebron James a verbal smack upside the head?

[spoon]

Anyone catch NFL Live tonight, giving Lebron James a verbal smack upside the head?

No, but was it involving his pathetic attempt to tie himself to local legend and folk hero Teebow? Bc that was just sad if you ask me. Just stop tweeting asshole athletes.

[Snoogans]

bullshit, they cover what they carry

everyone knows that

i agree, but most of the soccer they are pumping they dont carry. Like under 20 WC and shit

[spoon]

i agree, but most of the soccer they are pumping they dont carry. Like under 20 WC and shit

I think that all ties into Snack's point on building the sport for the channel as well. What's good for soccer is good for espn right now with all it's programming. It's not stupid either as the US population is slowly getting more soccer friendly. To be honest, I'm kind of glad the NHL is staying off the radar but big enough to function well. When ESPN and FOX had rights it was being turned into a farce. If only they'd cover it in some way not built around an awful coaching mullet of the past and a wife beating asshole nobody liked even when on the same team.

[CountryBob]

I dont know anybody who watches soccer

[King Imp]

Linda Cohn's tits seem to get bigger every time I see her.

[brettmojo]

Linda Cohn's tits seem to get bigger every time I see her.
She's storing excess horse teeth in her bra.

[spoon]

Nick Saban doesn't know how to use a message board?

[spoon]

Anyone here the details on this new qb system being made by ESPN? I like the 0-100 start, but it seems it'll be much more heavily influenced by the legs then in the past. Makes sense up to a certain level, but seems like it'll go too far and is tailor made for Vick's return. I'd have to see the full rundown which I'll go find now if it's out there.

Not sure where this should be, espn or nfl thread? Probably here since they designed it.

[spoon]

How does the system work?

The QBR formula takes into account down, distance, field position, time remaining, rushing, passing sacks, fumbles, interceptions, how far each pass travels in the air, from where on the field the ball was thrown, yards after the catch, dropped balls, defensed balls, whether the quarterback was hit, whether he threw away the ball to avoid a sack, whether the pass was thrown accurately, etc. Each play carries "clutch weight" based on its importance to game outcome, as determined by analyzing those 60,000 plays since 2008. The stats adjust for quarterbacks facing an unusually high number of these situations.



Following are the complete QBR results. Exact scores have not yet been publicized.

Top tier: Brady, Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan, Michael Vick, Rodgers and Drew Brees.
Well above average: Josh Freeman, Eli Manning and Philip Rivers.
Above average: Ben Roethlisberger, Tony Romo, Joe Flacco, Matt Schaub, David Garrard and Kerry Collins.
Around average: Matt Cassel, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Colt McCoy, Kyle Orton and Jon Kitna.
Below average: Shaun Hill, Jason Campbell, Jay Cutler, Matt Hasselbeck, Chad Henne, Donovan McNabb, Sam Bradford and Alex Smith.
Poor: Derek Anderson, Brett Favre and Jimmy Clausen.

Eh, I'm still not sure on the breakdown of factors, but any rating system that puts Rivers in a group with Freeman and E Manning I'm not a fan of. Both are good, but I'm NOT believing a system that has Kitna and McCoy at average! I'd like to see these INSANE factors bc it already seems to be convoluted at best.

While they simplified the overall rating scale (0-100), they seemingly went nuts on the deciding factors that make up the sum. Get ready to see this stat in EVERY highlight of a game or QB soon too. Hell, they're having a release show party tonight for a RATING SYSTEM that nobody has bought into yet, not even some on their very own sportscenter mention of it.

[El Mudo]

I'm glad the NHL never went back to ESPN.

You know after the lockout those pricks threw them an offer for 30 million, take it or leave it? They went to OLN/Versus (now NBC Sports Network) and got twice that. Now they just signed a two billion dollar deal. No way that EVER happens at ESPN. They would have been buried on ESPN2 and ESPN Classic two nights a week.

[spoon]

I'm glad the NHL never went back to ESPN.

You know after the lockout those pricks threw them an offer for 30 million, take it or leave it? They went to OLN/Versus (now NBC Sports Network) and got twice that. Now they just signed a two billion dollar deal. No way that EVER happens at ESPN. They would have been buried on ESPN2 and ESPN Classic two nights a week.

agreed

[hanso]

Linda Cohn's tits seem to get bigger every time I see her.

If she is not standing in pants. I will have to take notice.


This PTI, around the horn, a game, or fact checking is the only thing I watch.

[cougarjake13]

If she is not standing in pants. I will have to take notice.


This PTI, around the horn, a game, or fact checking is the only thing I watch.

hadnt noticed the tits but it does look like she got some face work done

[spoon]

Man, I never thought the ass sucking of Tiger Woods could get any worse on ESPN...well they found a way. Not only are they constantly attacking Williams for saying it was a big win, but they constantly make faces and say we wouldn't even know what his name was w/o Tiger. And during the whole thing they talk about Williams becoming the story instead of Scott, as ESPN covers ONLY this angle bc TIGER has some involvement. :wallbash:

I still don't understand how he gets this pass on the steroid conversation, but here we have a guy that waited through Tiger's bullshit of late and just when Tiger is ready to come back, he cuts his caddie. F him and William's fist pump was comical to me. The guy obviously does a pretty good job out there, so espn should also stop saying they just carry the bag. They BETTER know this, as you don't pay a steward 10% of hundreds of thousands os dollars, much less millions for the players. What did Scott get for the Bridgestone? I'm sure it's not the same as the multi-million dollar top prizes in the majors, but it's not pocket change that's for sure.

[Snoogans]

Man, I never thought the ass sucking of Tiger Woods could get any worse on ESPN...well they found a way. Not only are they constantly attacking Williams for saying it was a big win, but they constantly make faces and say we wouldn't even know what his name was w/o Tiger. And during the whole thing they talk about Williams becoming the story instead of Scott, as ESPN covers ONLY this angle bc TIGER has some involvement. :wallbash:

I still don't understand how he gets this pass on the steroid conversation, but here we have a guy that waited through Tiger's bullshit of late and just when Tiger is ready to come back, he cuts his caddie. F him and William's fist pump was comical to me. The guy obviously does a pretty good job out there, so espn should also stop saying they just carry the bag. They BETTER know this, as you don't pay a steward 10% of hundreds of thousands os dollars, much less millions for the players. What did Scott get for the Bridgestone? I'm sure it's not the same as the multi-million dollar top prizes in the majors, but it's not pocket change that's for sure.


actually, its a World Golf Championship event. its based soley on world rankings. It would be right up there with The Players Championship in terms of importance.

He got $1,400,000 and 550 Fed ex points. You get 500 for a normal tourney and 600 for a major. 550 for TPC. Masters and US Open paid 1,440,000 and the british paid 1,452,000 cause its in euros i think

[Justice4all]

No, but was it involving his pathetic attempt to tie himself to local legend and folk hero Teebow? Bc that was just sad if you ask me. Just stop tweeting asshole athletes.

Pretty much. LeBron was riding their asses, in his tweets, about how they need to 'encourage' Tebow instead of cutting him down. One of the hosts said (direct quote) "LeBron, we don't CARE what you think. This is what we get paid for" (among other things)

[underdog]

Rick Reilly on sportscenter makes me shut it off every time.

[Snacks]

Rick Reilly on sportscenter makes me shut it off every time.

i thought (hoped) he died or went away. All of the sudden he is back and on everyday doing sports center, phone interviews, talking about Tiger Woods, Tebow etc.

I hate him the most of any writer/tv personality

Bob Ryan
Jay Mariotti

are close 2nd and 3rd

[Tenbatsuzen]

i thought (hoped) he died or went away. All of the sudden he is back and on everyday doing sports center, phone interviews, talking about Tiger Woods, Tebow etc.

I hate him the most of any writer/tv personality

Bob Ryan
Jay Mariotti

are close 2nd and 3rd

Well, you don't have to worry about seeing Marriotti as his career is pretty much done.

[Snacks]

Well, you don't have to worry about seeing Marriotti as his career is pretty much done.

the funny thing is at first i was happy like it was pay back for all the shit he has talked about players and how he preached about how bad they all are from his soap box. but now that its been a while i kind of feel bad for him. i dont know what happened, i dont know if he was physical with his gf or if it was a shouting match (i hear they were fighting with words and he got arrested) either way i now feel a little bad that his career is over after 1 incident. he was 1 of those guys i liked to hate. not like bob ryan who makes me want to puke when i see him on tv with those teeth and rick the dick reilly is just the most douchiest guy in the world.

[underdog]

i thought (hoped) he died or went away. All of the sudden he is back and on everyday doing sports center, phone interviews, talking about Tiger Woods, Tebow etc.

I hate him the most of any writer/tv personality

Bob Ryan
Jay Mariotti

are close 2nd and 3rd

Bob Ryan's teeth should be at #1.

[Snoogans]

the funny thing is at first i was happy like it was pay back for all the shit he has talked about players and how he preached about how bad they all are from his soap box. but now that its been a while i kind of feel bad for him. i dont know what happened, i dont know if he was physical with his gf or if it was a shouting match (i hear they were fighting with words and he got arrested) either way i now feel a little bad that his career is over after 1 incident. he was 1 of those guys i liked to hate. not like bob ryan who makes me want to puke when i see him on tv with those teeth and rick the dick reilly is just the most douchiest guy in the world.

it was way more than 1 incident. he was arrested like 18 months ago, then again like 6 months ago. He had restraining orders against him from a few different women. It wasnt isolated

[Tenbatsuzen]

MLS signed a deal with NBC and NBC Sports (aka Versus) to air MLS games through 2014. Basically, the games are coming off Fox Soccer and going to NBC and NBC Sports.

It'll be interesting to see what happens because at the end of 2014, all three TV deals MLS has with ESPN and NBC/NBC Sports expire AND soccer interest will be super-high because of the World Cup in Brazil.

[cougarjake13]

MLS signed a deal with NBC and NBC Sports (aka Versus) to air MLS games through 2014. Basically, the games are coming off Fox Soccer and going to NBC and NBC Sports.

It'll be interesting to see what happens because at the end of 2014, all three TV deals MLS has with ESPN and NBC/NBC Sports expire AND soccer interest will be super-high because of the World Cup in Brazil.

still havent gotten into mls



although i may when the cosmos come back, my family used to have season tix at giants stadium and i caught a few games before the league folded

[Snoogans]

i try once in awhile with MLS. its terrible soccer but the more support it gets, the more they will have to make it good soccer. Plus the influx coming in of older star players will at least put some asses ion the seats

[spoon]

still havent gotten into mls





Isn't MLS a disease named after a yankee?

Might as well be in my book.

[Tenbatsuzen]

i try once in awhile with MLS. its terrible soccer but the more support it gets, the more they will have to make it good soccer. Plus the influx coming in of older star players will at least put some asses ion the seats

I agree the quality of soccer sucks, but they're trying, which is what matters.

As for putting butts in the seats... Philly, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver, LA, and a few other teams do very well.

New York has an attendance problem and it's going to get seriously worse when the Cosmos come in.

[sailor]

I agree the quality of soccer sucks, but they're trying, which is what matters.

As for putting butts in the seats... Philly, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver, LA, and a few other teams do very well.

New York has an attendance problem and it's going to get seriously worse when the Cosmos come in.

eh, ny has almost the exact attendance philly has, their stadium is just a bit too big for now. 18-20k would have been a great size, 25k was too ambitious. i don't see the need for another local team either.

[Tenbatsuzen]

eh, ny has almost the exact attendance philly has, their stadium is just a bit too big for now. 18-20k would have been a great size, 25k was too ambitious. i don't see the need for another local team either.

They announce 18-20 but how many people actually come?

Philly has 18 solid each game.

Cosmos has a ton of name recognition, and it's the team that the NY area deserves. Cosmos comes in, Red Bull WILL die. Simple as that.

LA is having a hard enough time supporting Galaxy and Chivas.

[Snacks]

They announce 18-20 but how many people actually come?

Philly has 18 solid each game.

Cosmos has a ton of name recognition, and it's the team that the NY area deserves. Cosmos comes in, Red Bull WILL die. Simple as that.

LA is having a hard enough time supporting Galaxy and Chivas.

the cosmos are coming to the mls? great idea should have done this years ago. the cosmos might be the only recognizable name in soccer in america. where are they going to play? when i was a kid i went to see a couple games at the meadowlands. it was filled and a lot of fun from what i remember.

[NickyL0885]

eh, ny has almost the exact attendance philly has, their stadium is just a bit too big for now. 18-20k would have been a great size, 25k was too ambitious. i don't see the need for another local team either.

Red Bulls have never been embraced b/c they play in New Jersey. People don't want to trek that far for soccer. Football is different b/c it was established in NY before moving and also has a bigger following. NY needs an actual NY team. I kept hearing the Mets would own the team but due to their cash issues, that idea is probably shot.

[sailor]

Red Bulls have never been embraced b/c they play in New Jersey. People don't want to trek that far for soccer. Football is different b/c it was established in NY before moving and also has a bigger following. NY needs an actual NY team. I kept hearing the Mets would own the team but due to their cash issues, that idea is probably shot.

the cosmos biggest years by far were in giants stadium.

[NickyL0885]

the cosmos biggest years by far were in giants stadium.

Yes but that was so long ago and they had tons of stars on the team.

[Snacks]

Red Bulls have never been embraced b/c they play in New Jersey. People don't want to trek that far for soccer. Football is different b/c it was established in NY before moving and also has a bigger following. NY needs an actual NY team. I kept hearing the Mets would own the team but due to their cash issues, that idea is probably shot.

what are you talking about people in long island wont even go local to see their own established hockey team! the red bulls have done pretty good with ticket sales. if its only jersey people going then there must be lots of jersey people going.

[Snacks]

Yes but that was so long ago and they had tons of stars on the team.

in the 70s not the 80s by the time the 80s rolled around all the big stars were gone at least the biggest 1 was.

[sailor]

Yes but that was so long ago and they had tons of stars on the team.


Well, you completely changed your argument. Which one do you want to go with?

[cougarjake13]

They announce 18-20 but how many people actually come?

Philly has 18 solid each game.

Cosmos has a ton of name recognition, and it's the team that the NY area deserves. Cosmos comes in, Red Bull WILL die. Simple as that.

LA is having a hard enough time supporting Galaxy and Chivas.

i totally see the red bull team eventually getting re located or contracted

[cougarjake13]

the cosmos are coming to the mls? great idea should have done this years ago. the cosmos might be the only recognizable name in soccer in america. where are they going to play? when i was a kid i went to see a couple games at the meadowlands. it was filled and a lot of fun from what i remember.

before being the metros stars and red bull they wanted the cosmos name

the guy who owned the team back then still holds naming rights and didnt wanna give it up when the mls originally formed, now he's cool with it and sold the rights to the guys creating the team

[cougarjake13]

Well, you completely changed your argument. Which one do you want to go with?

i dont think he did


he was saying that in the current sports world theres not a lot of people going to giants stadium to watch the red bulls


back in the 70s when the NASL and the cosmos were huge you had 70,000 plus filling up giants stadium , mostly bc of pele, beckenbauer and alberto

[sailor]

i dont think he did


he was saying that in the current sports world theres not a lot of people going to giants stadium to watch the red bulls


back in the 70s when the NASL and the cosmos were huge you had 70,000 plus filling up giants stadium , mostly bc of pele, beckenbauer and alberto

so the argument becomes they don't have big enough names, not that no one will travel for soccer. Henry is a really big name, btw.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Red Bulls have never been embraced b/c they play in New Jersey. People don't want to trek that far for soccer. Football is different b/c it was established in NY before moving and also has a bigger following. NY needs an actual NY team. I kept hearing the Mets would own the team but due to their cash issues, that idea is probably shot.

Red Bull didn't want to play in Meadowlands because although they pulled crowds, they would never fill Giants Stadium.

So they built a soccer-specific stadium, and by all regards, it's a beautiful stadium... but they built it in fucking HARRISON. Which is barely a step above Newark, Elizabeth, and Irvington.

Add into the fact that the parking situation is shit at RBA, and you have the issue.

For God's sake, the Union/RBA game is still over 2 months away and the Philly Supporters Group is already sending 10 buses up there...

[cougarjake13]

so the argument becomes they don't have big enough names, not that no one will travel for soccer. Henry is a really big name, btw.

well iwas too young to remember and parts of the success i wasnt even born yet so i cant really attest to why the NASL was so huge back then vs the MLS now


part of it may have been that those big names were playing, but also theres wasnt the mainstream access to sports, info, cable, ineternet, etc that dilutes everything


MLB was still riding high as dominant american sport, not sure how big the NFL, NBA, and NHL were back then but im guessing that in those times you only got to see other teams when they came to your town to play, you didnt have sportscenter as huge as it is now

[Justice4all]

i try once in awhile with MLS. its terrible soccer but the more support it gets, the more they will have to make it good soccer. Plus the influx coming in of older star players will at least put some asses ion the seats

That and, I believe, the increase of central/south american people in the population would help increase a desire for soccer in the states.

[sailor]

well iwas too young to remember and parts of the success i wasnt even born yet so i cant really attest to why the NASL was so huge back then vs the MLS now


part of it may have been that those big names were playing, but also theres wasnt the mainstream access to sports, info, cable, ineternet, etc that dilutes everything


MLB was still riding high as dominant american sport, not sure how big the NFL, NBA, and NHL were back then but im guessing that in those times you only got to see other teams when they came to your town to play, you didnt have sportscenter as huge as it is now

i think it was just a fad back then, but yes, the huge names helped a lot. like i said though, they're drawing 18k and that's about what was to be expected for them.

[cougarjake13]

That and, I believe, the increase of central/south american people in the population would help increase a desire for soccer in the states.



weve been seeing that for awhile and add to that the decrease of peoples interest in the other 3 major sports not named nfl i think we'll see a time where soccer dethrones one of them on the tier as one of the 4 majors and maybe far off in the future become 2nd to the nfl

[Tenbatsuzen]

It's great that Thome got his 600 HRs, but ESPN is going apeshit like this is his lock into Cooperstown. In fact, they said that a few times.

Thome locked his invitation to Cooperstown 100 HRs ago, if not 200 HRs ago.

[cougarjake13]

It's great that Thome got his 600 HRs, but ESPN is going apeshit like this is his lock into Cooperstown. In fact, they said that a few times.

Thome locked his invitation to Cooperstown 100 HRs ago, if not 200 HRs ago.



not sure if 400 woulda but def the 500 woulda

[spoon]

It's great that Thome got his 600 HRs, but ESPN is going apeshit like this is his lock into Cooperstown. In fact, they said that a few times.

Thome locked his invitation to Cooperstown 100 HRs ago, if not 200 HRs ago.

When is the HBO documentary coming about? You know, Thome is one 8 people ever to get to this number, one of 5 to do it without evidence of steroid use. I'd say that's more impressive than "3,000 ground ball singles to right" as the Schoomz says on WFAN cracking me up! How many people have 3,000 hits again? Oh yah, 28 that's right.

Thome 6 hundo, airs next week on Showtime for his grandkids/prosperity.

[TripleSkeet]

It's great that Thome got his 600 HRs, but ESPN is going apeshit like this is his lock into Cooperstown. In fact, they said that a few times.

Thome locked his invitation to Cooperstown 100 HRs ago, if not 200 HRs ago.

The best was Skip Bayless saying even with 600 home runs he doesnt deserve the HOF. That guy is the biggest fucking moron in sports talk.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm still reading that having 600 HR's "bolsters" his HOF campaign.

If he retires at the end of the year, he'll have 600 HRs, around 2300 hits, around 1700 RBIs.

He is also known as one of the friendliest and nicest guys in MLB, and if you don't think that makes a difference, remember, these are asshole sportswriters who vote and being "nice" goes a long way with them.

The ONLY thing that holds him back is that he never won a ring. If he had a ring, he'd be a lock.

[spoon]

The best was Skip Bayless saying even with 600 home runs he doesnt deserve the HOF. That guy is the biggest fucking moron in sports talk.

I can't even listen to that guy among others on ESPN these days. They hands down have some of the worst personalities on radio I've ever heard in sports radio.

[spoon]

I'm still reading that having 600 HR's "bolsters" his HOF campaign.

If he retires at the end of the year, he'll have 600 HRs, around 2300 hits, around 1700 RBIs.

He is also known as one of the friendliest and nicest guys in MLB, and if you don't think that makes a difference, remember, these are asshole sportswriters who vote and being "nice" goes a long way with them.

The ONLY thing that holds him back is that he never won a ring. If he had a ring, he'd be a lock.

He's a lock and rings don't mean as much of late. I seriously can't give people credit for latching on to big market teams versus those that play the bulk of their years in small markets and remain loyal. I think championships in MLB are the least needed of any league until the playing field is at least leveled a little.

[Tenbatsuzen]

OK so:

Piazza is obviously getting in.

If Griffey gets in, Thome's in. No doubt in my mind.

Here's some interesting names:

Frank Thomas
Chipper Jones
Vlad Guerrero

Chipper and Vlad's stats are nearly identical.

All three get in?

[spoon]

OK so:

Piazza is obviously getting in.

If Griffey gets in, Thome's in. No doubt in my mind.

Here's some interesting names:

Frank Thomas
Chipper Jones
Vlad Guerrero

Chipper and Vlad's stats are nearly identical.

All three get in?

Griffey is DEFINITELY in...way faster than Thome for his defense alone. And if anything hurts Thome, it's the fact he did a lot of his damage playing in the DH position.

To me, Thomas is in easy. He has 2 MVPs, a bunch of silver sluggers, a batting title and a late ring (tail end of his career and not a huge part of it to be honest).

Chipper probably is in as well as he has an MVP, WS ring (ha I know), batting title, runner up ROY, TONS of All-Star games and was the face of a franchise just like the Big Hurt for years.

Vlad seems to be the toughest call in overall. While I think he's been better overall than Chipper (3 years younger with sim stats as Tenbats says), he simply loses clout playing for more than one team in his prime. Writers seem to latch on to franchise guys even in this day of free agency and huge gap between teams. Vlad has f'n 8 silver sluggers, had a CANNON for an arm (still a + arm out there), an MVP and tons of all-star games as well. However, his D in the outfield outside of his arm was/is awful. Most look past it and or never noticed, but trust me it's not a pretty sight. I'm really not sure why he wasn't moved to the DH spot way earlier, but I'm willing to bet it's his preference.

I'll add another one, a homer pick for me, Carlos Delgado?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'll add another one, a homer pick for me, Carlos Delgado?

Has pretty much identical numbers as Willie Stargell, in a more compressed career. No "earned" rings although TOR gave him one for the 93 season.

Of course, Stargell played in a different era than Delgado, and there's no roids taint on Delgado.

I'm going to say that Delgado gets in but on the fourth or fifth ballot.

My question is Gary Sheffield.

On paper... he should be a lock. 500+ HRs, nearly 2700 hits, a ring, 9x all-star.

But he's got a steroid taint and he's widely known as one of the BIGGEST ASSHOLES IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME.

[spoon]

Has pretty much identical numbers as Willie Stargell, in a more compressed career. No "earned" rings although TOR gave him one for the 93 season.

Of course, Stargell played in a different era than Delgado, and there's no roids taint on Delgado.

I'm going to say that Delgado gets in but on the fourth or fifth ballot.

My question is Gary Sheffield.

On paper... he should be a lock. 500+ HRs, nearly 2700 hits, a ring, 9x all-star.

But he's got a steroid taint and he's widely known as one of the BIGGEST ASSHOLES IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME.

Personally I say Delgado takes longer if he even does get in. As for Sheff, no chance in hell. Seriously, he's hated and more than just a steroid taint on him.

[Earlshog]

OK so:

Piazza is obviously getting in.

If Griffey gets in, Thome's in. No doubt in my mind.

Here's some interesting names:

Frank Thomas
Chipper Jones
Vlad Guerrero

Chipper and Vlad's stats are nearly identical.

All three get in?

That is provided someone doesn't pull a Canseco on Piazza. At his point would anyone be surprised?

Foe below three we are assuming no roids.

Frank Thomas is in. Guy was a beast. Best player at his position in the 90's. 500 HR's and .300 batting average.

Chipper's a lock. You could argue he is the second best third baseman ever.

Vlad will get in, had monster seasons early in his career, don't forget the guy used to steal bases. Take away the steroid guys he's one of the top players of his generation. As Spoon said he was a terrible fielder, but his numbers more than make up for it. Who knows maybe he will find a way to get 500 homers.

[JimBeam]

Has Thome been purely a DH for some time now ? I wonder if that would/could hurt him.

Some people may not like a guy that's just a compiler.

To me HOF means you have to have been the best player in the game, or at least your position, at some point in your career.

Was Thome ever the nest 1st baseman and/or DH ? I don't know the answer to that but I don't think so.

Regarding Chipper i think he gets in because of his consistency from both sides of the plate.

I think he's a Top 5 lifetime hitter as a switch hitter.

[Snacks]

That is provided someone doesn't pull a Canseco on Piazza. At his point would anyone be surprised?

Foe below three we are assuming no roids.

Frank Thomas is in. Guy was a beast. Best player at his position in the 90's. 500 HR's and .300 batting average.

Chipper's a lock. You could argue he is the second best third baseman ever.

Vlad will get in, had monster seasons early in his career, don't forget the guy used to steal bases. Take away the steroid guys he's one of the top players of his generation. As Spoon said he was a terrible fielder, but his numbers more than make up for it. Who knows maybe he will find a way to get 500 homers.

I agree Frank Thomas is a lock and should be 1st ballot!

Chipper will get in but wont be 1st ballot unless he gets to 500 hrs. I dont even think he is a def lock unless he gets 500 hrs!

Vlad has similar #s to Chipper but I dont think Vlad gets in, maybe ever. He is so borderline with other OF and doesnt have 1 of those stats that stick out to get him in. Plus this generation will have a harder time getting in even though I disagree with that it seems to be the case or what is going to happen!

[Earlshog]

I agree Frank Thomas is a lock and should be 1st ballot!

Chipper will get in but wont be 1st ballot unless he gets to 500 hrs. I dont even think he is a def lock unless he gets 500 hrs!

Vlad has similar #s to Chipper but I dont think Vlad gets in, maybe ever. He is so borderline with other OF and doesnt have 1 of those stats that stick out to get him in. Plus this generation will have a harder time getting in even though I disagree with that it seems to be the case or what is going to happen!

If Chipper Jones quit playing today, he would be a first ballot HOF lock. No questions asked.

Vlad probably won't get in first ballot, but I think as time goes along he will find his way ala Jim Rice. Out of curiosity Who are the other OF you are considering him borderline with?

[sailor]

I'd bet money Vlad gets in first ballot.

[Earlshog]

I'd bet money Vlad gets in first ballot.

Sometimes it depends on who is eligible at that time....

[sailor]

Sometimes it depends on who is eligible at that time....

Oh, definitely.

[Tenbatsuzen]

It's weird. I was looking at Posada's stats... you could make a case as a catcher. I'm not saying he would get in... but you could make a case.

If he retired at the end of the season, he'd have a 270 average. 275 home runs, four "earned" rings and stayed with one team his entire career.

Granted, for a regular position player, that's shit numbers but being a catcher does play into it.

The only catcher who hit more HRs than Posada and is not in the HOF (or isn't a first ballot lock like Pudge and Piazza) is Lance Parrish.

[foodcourtdruide]

It's weird. I was looking at Posada's stats... you could make a case as a catcher. I'm not saying he would get in... but you could make a case.

If he retired at the end of the season, he'd have a 270 average. 275 home runs, four "earned" rings and stayed with one team his entire career.

Granted, for a regular position player, that's shit numbers but being a catcher does play into it.

The only catcher who hit more HRs than Posada and is not in the HOF (or isn't a first ballot lock like Pudge and Piazza) is Lance Parrish.

While he's a catcher, he really wasn't a spectacular defensive one throughout his career. Also, even in his prime, he was the 3rd best catcher in the league. Very good player, very good career. Not a HOF. Not even close really.

[Kevin]

It's weird. I was looking at Posada's stats... you could make a case as a catcher. I'm not saying he would get in... but you could make a case.

If he retired at the end of the season, he'd have a 270 average. 275 home runs, four "earned" rings and stayed with one team his entire career.

Granted, for a regular position player, that's shit numbers but being a catcher does play into it.

The only catcher who hit more HRs than Posada and is not in the HOF (or isn't a first ballot lock like Pudge and Piazza) is Lance Parrish.


You are saying he did not earn the ring in 09 or 96?

[foodcourtdruide]

I'd bet money Vlad gets in first ballot.

For a 10 year period, between 1998-2007 Vlad's OPS was .980.

First ballot. Period.

[foodcourtdruide]

You are saying he did not earn the ring in 09 or 96?

He had 14 AB in 1996.

[Tenbatsuzen]

He had 14 AB in 1996.

Yeah, this.

C'mon Kev, Girardi was known for the triple he hit against the Braves in 1996.

Posada was awarded a ring but he really didn't earn one for 96.

[JimBeam]

It's weird. I was looking at Posada's stats... you could make a case as a catcher. I'm not saying he would get in... but you could make a case.

If he retired at the end of the season, he'd have a 270 average. 275 home runs, four "earned" rings and stayed with one team his entire career.

Granted, for a regular position player, that's shit numbers but being a catcher does play into it.

The only catcher who hit more HRs than Posada and is not in the HOF (or isn't a first ballot lock like Pudge and Piazza) is Lance Parrish.

I know a while back whether or not you had won a ring wasn't supposed to matter.

It shouldn't bolster your case nor should the lack of a ring hurt another's case.

The post season simply should not factor into the decision otherwise you have to have won one in order to get in.

[cougarjake13]

I'd bet money Vlad gets in first ballot.

they'll prob put him in as an expo like they did with carter

[spoon]

vlad isn't and won't be a first ballot guy in my mind

we'll see, but he shouldn't be a sure HOF right now, let alone a first ballot guy

[Snoogans]

While he's a catcher, he really wasn't a spectacular defensive one throughout his career. Also, even in his prime, he was the 3rd best catcher in the league. Very good player, very good career. Not a HOF. Not even close really.

posada is in.

One, he played for the yankees. 2, he hit VERY VERY well for a catcher, probably better than most HOF catchers. Even if he wasnt a yankee, i think he has done plenty as a catcher to get in. Go look at the offensive stats of catchers who are in the hall and you will be shocked at the lack of numbers

[Kevin]

Yeah, this.

C'mon Kev, Girardi was known for the triple he hit against the Braves in 1996.

Posada was awarded a ring but he really didn't earn one for 96.



I know Joe was the main catcher 96, Just didn't realize Jorge had do few At Bats.

I remember in 97 Pudge was all but a Yankee for Jorge and others. But at the last minute Pudge went to the Tex Front Office and said he wanted to stay in Texas.

[Kevin]

I know a while back whether or not you had won a ring wasn't supposed to matter.

It shouldn't bolster your case nor should the lack of a ring hurt another's case.

The post season simply should not factor into the decision otherwise you have to have won one in order to get in.

I agree and disagree here.

I agree with the fact that rings shouldn't mean that much.

But I also think that in a large enough sampling, your postseaon numbers should be taken into effect.

It's part of who you are.

I mean reg season Mo is pretty good And HOF worthy, but what makes Mo the best ever is his post season numbers.

If he was so so in the post season, I think there would be an argument on All-time closers.



MO, Hoffman, Goose, Eck.

But its Mo by far because of post season.


MO Hoffman

[spoon]

I agree and disagree here.

I agree with the fact that rings shouldn't mean that much.

But I also think that in a large enough sampling, your postseaon numbers should be taken into effect.

It's part of who you are.

I mean reg season Mo is pretty good And HOF worthy, but what makes Mo the best ever is his post season numbers.

If he was so so in the post season, I think there would be an argument on All-time closers.



MO, Hoffman, Goose, Eck.

But its Mo by far because of post season.


MO Hoffman

I disagree right back bc you just don't know. Yes, we at least KNOW in Mo's case bc he did continue putting up good numbers, if not got better overall in the playoffs. However, I got shit from the very start from yankee fans about Halladay not being great bc he "didn't do shit in the playoffs" and would "probably suck if given his chance under high pressure situations" outside of Toronto. Yah, if he stayed in Toronto he'd NEVER be as respected as he is today and that's part and parcel with today's big market first MLB in every way. Even some here used to give me shit with him, and how did he hold up last year?

Rings will always influence some writers too much bc many are completely clueless. However, it should only be used to confirm people in my mind, not be a main ingredient or even close. If it carries too much weight it'll only add to the talent drain for lesser market/money teams in MLB as players will look to solidify not only their title hopes, but their HOF chances too.

[Tenbatsuzen]

posada is in.

One, he played for the yankees. 2, he hit VERY VERY well for a catcher, probably better than most HOF catchers. Even if he wasnt a yankee, i think he has done plenty as a catcher to get in. Go look at the offensive stats of catchers who are in the hall and you will be shocked at the lack of numbers

Piazza and Pudge's numbers smoke his. Plus Gary Carter had 50 more HRs and 400+ more hits, and it took Carter six ballots to get in. Posada's only got 1650+ hits. Carter has close to 2100, Pudge has 2850 and Piazza has 2127.

You really can't compare catchers from days gone by because the game has changed. There's only like 10-15 catchers in the HOF.

Also throw in that Posada is a surly motherfucker.

An argument can be MADE, but I don't think you can just say that he's in, Yankees or not.

[Snoogans]

Piazza and Pudge's numbers smoke his. Plus Gary Carter had 50 more HRs and 400+ more hits, and it took Carter six ballots to get in. Posada's only got 1650+ hits. Carter has close to 2100, Pudge has 2850 and Piazza has 2127.

You really can't compare catchers from days gone by because the game has changed. There's only like 10-15 catchers in the HOF.

Also throw in that Posada is a surly motherfucker.

An argument can be MADE, but I don't think you can just say that he's in, Yankees or not.

i said all the catchers in the HOF. Of course piazza smokes him, he was the best hitting catcher in MLB history. And pudge was on roids and everyone knows it.

Posada wasnt on roids, at least in my opinion, and with the way guys are voting, thats going to help him ALOT.

Shit, i bet piazza and his 62nd round draft slot prob was on fuckin roids too

[Kevin]

I disagree right back bc you just don't know. Yes, we at least KNOW in Mo's case bc he did continue putting up good numbers, if not got better overall in the playoffs. However, I got shit from the very start from yankee fans about Halladay not being great bc he "didn't do shit in the playoffs" and would "probably suck if given his chance under high pressure situations" outside of Toronto. Yah, if he stayed in Toronto he'd NEVER be as respected as he is today and that's part and parcel with today's big market first MLB in every way. Even some here used to give me shit with him, and how did he hold up last year?

Rings will always influence some writers too much bc many are completely clueless. However, it should only be used to confirm people in my mind, not be a main ingredient or even close. If it carries too much weight it'll only add to the talent drain for lesser market/money teams in MLB as players will look to solidify not only their title hopes, but their HOF chances too.

I did say large enough sampling.

Doc does not have near enough sampling to be judged.

Now say he goes to the playoffs with Philly 3 4 more years and puts up bad numbers, then I think his legacy does get hurt in my opinion. Prob not to the point of him not being A HOF but if it was close I'd say no.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I agree and disagree here.

I agree with the fact that rings shouldn't mean that much.

But I also think that in a large enough sampling, your postseaon numbers should be taken into effect.

It's part of who you are.

I mean reg season Mo is pretty good And HOF worthy, but what makes Mo the best ever is his post season numbers.

If he was so so in the post season, I think there would be an argument on All-time closers.



MO, Hoffman, Goose, Eck.

But its Mo by far because of post season.


MO Hoffman

For as good as Mo is, his blown save is the major reason why Mussina won't get as much consideration for the Hall as he should.

If Moose has a ring for 2001, I think it's a lot easier to put him in.

[Kevin]

For as good as Mo is, his blown save is the major reason why Mussina won't get as much consideration for the Hall as he should.

If Moose has a ring for 2001, I think it's a lot easier to put him in.

Well you can say that but you can also say that if Mussina didn't shit the bed in game 2 and 6, he would have gotten that ring.

He was AJ Burnett like in that WS.

[spoon]

I did say large enough sampling.

Doc does not have near enough sampling to be judged.

Now say he goes to the playoffs with Philly 3 4 more years and puts up bad numbers, then I think his legacy does get hurt in my opinion. Prob not to the point of him not being A HOF but if it was close I'd say no.

Thanks for proving my point Kev. Halladay has a huge sample size, he just started in the playoffs later in his career and if he has some issues now he's not worthy? Come on. He's a top 10 or better pitcher for in all of MLB for over a decade now, but bc he's not lucky enough to start on NYY or willing enough to jump ship for the money early enough to get a larger sampling size for you and some voters I'm sure he still has something to prove? I guess if he stayed in Toronto and never got to the playoffs he'd never even have a shot and it would be right then. Hell, he's far from a lock just yet too, but it's surely NOT bc he has to prove to you or others he can do it 5 years in the playoffs.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Well you can say that but you can also say that if Mussina didn't shit the bed in game 2 and 6, he would have gotten that ring.

He was AJ Burnett like in that WS.

What the FUCK are you talking about? Are you even a fucking Yankee fan? Pettite shit the bed in Game 6, not Mussina. Mussina fucked up in Game 1 but pitched well in 5.

[Dirtbag]

Well you can say that but you can also say that if Mussina didn't shit the bed in game 2 and 6, he would have gotten that ring.

He was AJ Burnett like in that WS.

If it weren't for closers shitting the bed in that series, there wouldn't even have been a game six.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If it weren't for closers shitting the bed in that series, there wouldn't even have been a game six.

Sadly, Truth. Yankees hit .183 in that series. Even though it went to a closely contested 7th game, Yankees had no business wining that series.