DC vs. Marvel

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DC vs. Marvel :
Which group of comics/graphic novels
are better?

Fez was for DC.

Ron was for none.

[TripleSkeet]

I was always a Marvel Comics guy. Im a huge Spider-Man mark. That being said I have liked some of the DC stories like Red Son, The Long Halloween, Batman Year One and some others. Still I love Marvel.

[Death Metal Moe]

I always liked Batman, but when I was still reading comics monthly I used to be a Marvel guy. Wolverine and the various X-Men titles were my favorite.

[torker]

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A: Marvel

[TheCableNazi]

Marvel.

Because of Luke Cage. A man who preferred to have sex with female superheroes... in the butt.

He's the man.

[boobieman]

Marvel..anything Punisher. To me the best character. Also like Captain America, Moon Knight (batman rip off) Thor, but anything the Punisher appears in I pick up.

Also Superman..your invincible, yet you always have a problem. Always someone gets a drop on ya.

Also the big questions should be Bugs vs. Micky....Micky is a puss..but never cross dressed.

SSSYEYAYAAAA

[Dan 'Hampton]

Are we talking ice cream cakes vs the capital? In that case I take the shitty ice cream cake.

[Misteriosa]

ive read a mix of both. my fave marvel char: storm. my fave dc: ww

im finding wonder woman to be my fave as i get older. the more i read her stories, the more i become a bigger fan of her.

[Serpico1103]

ive read a mix of both. my fave marvel char: storm. my fave dc: ww

im finding wonder woman to be my fave as i get older. the more i read her stories, the more i become a bigger fan of her.
Invisible jet? Coiuldnt they just make her fly? Was the jet silent too? Yes, I am over analyzing a comic.

[realmenhatelife]

It's absolutely DC, which not only has the better tradition but they also have all the shit on Vertigo, which are some of the best comic stories ever written.

[Serpico1103]

Main stream I think marvel was better, but DC (if I remember the early 80's) had better smaller titles.

I just hate superman. The all powerful gimmick is a dead end. Hulk is the same, but at least he isn't in embarrassing tights.

[EliSnow]

Invisible jet? Coiuldnt they just make her fly? Was the jet silent too? Yes, I am over analyzing a comic.

She can fly.

[weekapaugjz]

I'm DC all the way. I used to read a few marvel titles but gave them all up. Batman, superman, green lantern, legion, etc.

Plus as realmenhatelife said, vertigo is fucking great. I'm following just about all of their current titles in trades.

[Serpico1103]

She can fly.
So, why the jet?

[EliSnow]

So, why the jet?


You can walk and run. Why the car?

[Serpico1103]

Douche. I mean, touche.

Invisible jet makes amazon made from clay fighting crime seem unrealistic.

[StanUpshaw]

I think I'd probably get more mileage out of the Marvel catalog, but I think DC has the vast majority of the most important characters and stories, and in the end, you really have to give them the crown.

[Joe Pietaro]

Gotta go with Marvel, but it is certainly not an easy decision. DC has more history, but Timely (AKA Marvel) had a nice run in the 40's, as well.

I'm a big fan of the 60's Atlas monster stuff and it's hard to beat the Fantastic Four.

[realmenhatelife]

The two most important modern comics, Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns, were both DC.

[CurseoftheBambi]

The Legion of Super-Heroes...nuff said

[disneyspy]

best movie- SPIDERMAN 2

marvel wins

[Death Metal Moe]

I love threads where people argue their opinions like they're facts.

[StanUpshaw]

I love it when guys are so above it all.

[MetalChild]

Marvel all the way!
My favorites were the Uncanny X-Men from the 80's and earlier, and some of the X-Men miniseries that started in the 90's with artist Jim Lee and Rob Liefield. Just the level of the artwork is way above anything out there today.

[weekapaugjz]

Nevermind

[fezident]

What's a "nubian"??

[Rockvillejoe]

The Legion of Super-Heroes...nuff said

Don't forget the justic league of america

plus DC would sometime change the color of the super heros costume for several issues. any variation of the color costume was like crack cocaine

i remember, i think it was a bat mite issue, where all the characters were wearing all black for costumes.

they had a batman family reunion, batman, batwoman, batgirl, batbaby, bat mite, bat dog, they even had a fucking mexiacn immigrant called batjose as their connection in south america.
plus who can forget bizarro man? "me fly like bird".
bizarrro. a gorilla looking ice man in a superman costume. still had the strong build.
keeping it real.

marvel is the red headed step child of comics. the wannabe, the johnny come lately.

super fucking man. does it all.
no teenaged angst with DC superheroes. they ain't got time for da pain. they bring it.

superman not only rules, but he has time to help out jimmy olsen. a fucking cub reporter, with a wrist watch that goes zee zee zee. superman may be flying in outerspace, helping out some fucking whacked out alien or carrying a meteor to the far side of the moon, but if jimmy O gets in a bind, bam! zee zee fucking zee, he kicks off the watch. what other superhero would be that supportive? none. thats how many.

and look who they have to fuck with. brainiac 5. brainiac fucking 5. a real brainiac. a fucking genius. he is so smart he's green and has wired shit on his head,
and lex luthor, with a shaved look way before it was de' riguer.

saturn girl. nice tits. not overdrawn where you see the nipple outline. like some of the marvel bitches.

saturn girl got class. she leaves a lot for the imagination.

hawk man, look at that motherfucker. you want to run into him in a dark alley?

the flash, i could go on. wonder woman. lesbo. way before it was hip to be a sister of sappho and while we are talking homesexual tendencies, you can't tell me that mr mxyzptlk was not gay. everything about that imp was gay. even if you said his name "backwards" he would disappear. listen to him talk. fucking clone of truman capote with a british accent. like mr smith on lost in space.

marvel, comic book light in my opinion.

[torker]

http://www.caricatures-ireland.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/old-hulk-new-hulk.jpg
Ang Lee's Hulk was way better.

[STC-Dub]

I am with Ron on this one, don't care enough to choose.

[EliSnow]

no teenaged angst with DC superheroes. they ain't got time for da pain. they bring it.
.

Um, bullshit.

DC has copied the Marvel style in many of its books. Shit, one of its bigger hits in the last decade was Robin which was all teenaged angst. And Teen Tittans was big in the '80s precisely for bringing in a style that was more Marvel than DC.

Plus, they've changed a lot of their characters over the years to be more like Marvel characters. Aquaman was redone to be almost exactly like Namor. Green Arrow was another character who changed after Marvel's success in the '60's. He ended up bringing a lot of the same tension to the JLA that Hawkeye brought to the Avengers.

I'm not taking sides here, but to say that DC doesn't tell stories with "angst" like Marvel does, ignores a lot of the last 30 years.

[EliSnow]

and look who they have to fuck with. brainiac 5. brainiac fucking 5. a real brainiac. a fucking genius. he is so smart he's green and has wired shit on his head.

Brainiac 5 was a super-hero, as a member of the Legion of Super-Heroes.

You're thinking of Brainiac, who was one of Superman's villains.

[EliSnow]

Douche. I mean, touche.

Invisible jet makes amazon made from clay fighting crime seem unrealistic.

I think the invisible jet may have been around before the origin that she was made from clay or that she could fly.

In the last 30 years, when they established she could fly like Supes, the invisible jet hasn't been used that much.

[StanUpshaw]

Have they ever given a physical explanation for the ability of flight?

[EliSnow]

Have they ever given a physical explanation for the ability of flight?

Short answer, yes, but never a realistic one.

Long answer, it depends upon the character. Wonder Woman can fly because a greek god Hermes gave her the magical ability to fly.

Thor can fly because he throws his hammer which then pulls him.

Storm can fly because she generates wind to lift her and then she uses wind to move her around.

Telekinetics like Jean Gray can fly or hover because they are moving themselves with their minds.

Hawkman can fly, in part, because he wears a belt made of Nth metal, which negates gravity.

Angel can fly because he has wings and his bones are hollow like a bird's.

I think they've tried explaining Supe's ability once or twice, but I can't remember how they did it.

[StanUpshaw]

I'm going to guess that he swallows huge volumes of air that get compressed to a superdense liquid inside his digestive system. Then when he wants to take off, he just loosens his sphincter and he is propelled forward by the escaping gasses.

[Rockvillejoe]

I stand corrected the brainiac issue

thanks

re last decade and teen angst in DC comics

I must confess that I stopped reading comics when Nixon was drunkenly talking to former presidents portraits on the white house. Around 1972.
In the 60's we subscribed. Got them in the mail before they hit the stands.
I had the original xmen juggernaut issues. My father threw the entire collection away.

[EliSnow]

I stand corrected the brainiac issue

thanks

re last decade and teen angst in DC comics

I must confess that I stopped reading comics when Nixon was drunkenly talking to former presidents portraits on the white house. Around 1972.
In the 60's we subscribed. Got them in the mail before they hit the stands.
I had the original xmen juggernaut issues. My father threw the entire collection away.

I's not just the last decade. From the '70-80's on, DC has been telling stories more like what Marvel did than what DC traditionally did.

The two companies really aren't that different. There's some differences here and there. For instance, there's a writer at Marvel now, Brian Michael Bendis, who does a style on some big Marvel books that is not at DC.

And Marvel doesn't have a line of books like Vertigo, although they have tried.

But overall since the '70's, their storytelling, and art, hasn't been that different from each other. Which is understandable as virtually every writer and artist (with some exceptions) have worked for both companies. For instance, the best Avengers artist (George Perez) drew for DC on Teen Titans and the first big "event" mini-series ever: Crisis on Infinite Earths.

[booster11373]

Give me DC any time all the time.

Eli is right there really isnt much difference between the 2 companies. I used to feel that Marvel was more exploitive of its audience but DC is no better these last couple of years

[Sinestro]

I'm a DC fan but I'll say those Marvel people can sure draw huge knockers.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

I'd vote for Marvel if we were just comparing super hero universes, DC if we're counting Vertigo and other projects.

Though everyone knows Tekno Comix beats them both

http://www.newkadia.com/Covers/L/N/Neil%20Gaimans%20Teknophage/neilgaimansteknophage1.jpg

[Sinestro]

Archie Comics beats them all. You know it.

[Serpico1103]

I think the invisible jet may have been around before the origin that she was made from clay or that she could fly.

In the last 30 years, when they established she could fly like Supes, the invisible jet hasn't been used that much.

Eh, changing of the powers stinks. Read the wiki page. She "rides air currents", but doesn't fly. Needs jet less frequently.

[EliSnow]

Eh, changing of the powers stinks. Read the wiki page. She "rides air currents", but doesn't fly. Needs jet less frequently.

The rides air currents was pre-crisis. She can fly without currents post crisis.

Hermes, the messenger god of speed, granted Diana superhuman speed and the ability to fly. Through the act of concentration, Diana can mystically defy the laws of gravity and propel herself through the air to achieve flight. She is capable of flying at speeds approaching half the speed of light.[22] She is swift enough to deflect bullets, lasers, and other projectiles with her virtually impenetrable bracelets. Her brain can process the information while traveling at superspeed at an incredibly fast rate.

And changing powers is nothing new for any comic. Every character has had their powers change to some extent over the years. Supes is the biggest example. When he was first introduced, he couldn't do moat of the things he can do now.

[EliSnow]

I'm a DC fan but I'll say those Marvel people can sure draw huge knockers.


Power Girl beats every Marvel character in that regard.

[Sinestro]

Power Girl beats every Marvel character in that regard.

I'm talking about her pre-breast augmentation days in the 80s when she had a more natural look.

[Serpico1103]

The rides air currents was pre-crisis. She can fly without currents post crisis.

And changing powers is nothing new for any comic. Every character has had their powers change to some extent over the years. Supes is the biggest example. When he was first introduced, he couldn't do moat of the things he can do now.

I know it isn't unique to her. Just lazy writing. Keeping a familiar character, but changing them to appeal to a broader or new audience.
Either way, invisible jet ranks high on the "Idiotic Weapon/Accessory/Mode of Travel" list.

[EliSnow]

I'm talking about her pre-breast augmentation days in the 80s when she had a more natural look.

She's got big'uns now.

[Sinestro]

She's got big'uns now.

At least she won't drown.

[brettmojo]

I've always been a bigger fan of DC. Marvel's characters have always seemed more cartoony to me.

[Sinestro]

Did Fez say which gay superheroes he likes?

Which comic came out with the first gay superhero? Any 1st tier gay superheroes? Seems the ones that come out are second tier level superheroes.

[brettmojo]

Did Fez say which gay superheroes he likes?

Which comic came out with the first gay superhero? Any 1st tier gay superheroes? Seems the ones that come out are second tier level superheroes.
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[booster11373]

Did Fez say which gay superheroes he likes?

Which comic came out with the first gay superhero? Any 1st tier gay superheroes? Seems the ones that come out are second tier level superheroes.

Northstar was the first gay superhero from the 2 big companies but he was also French Canadian which is the same as gay so it was a push

[EliSnow]

Did Fez say which gay superheroes he likes?

Which comic came out with the first gay superhero? Any 1st tier gay superheroes? Seems the ones that come out are second tier level superheroes.

I don't think Fez has read a comic since 1985. At least, that's how it seems sometimes when he talks about comics.

And I think Northstar was the first establishes character to come out of the closet.

[torker]

You guys suck all the fun out of comic books.

[DonInNC]

Which one was Jack Chick part of?

[Sinestro]

I don't think Fez has read a comic since 1985. At least, that's how it seems sometimes when he talks about comics.

And I think Northstar was the first establishes character to come out of the closet.

And DC copied them by making Starman gay.

DC/Marvel: 0 The Gays: 1. Gays win.


Comics used to be about fun. Now it's a social experiment. Ugh!:sad:

Not that there's nothing wrong with that

[SuperMatt]

I'm strictly a DC collector. Don't forget that DC made Obsidian gay as well.

[Melk]

Mild Marvel endorsement. But all the comic companies because they feed the collector angle of comic collecting too much. Between 1987 and 1992 the price of comic books shot up to 2.25 from 75 cents. They fed the adults' collector obsession by pricing out kids.

Baseball card collectors priced kids out of card collecting and we wonder why kids aren't watching baseball.

[boobieman]

Archie Comics beats them all. You know it.

Totally agree...

http://www.the-isb.com/images/PunisherMeetsArchie.jpg

http://onebrownguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/archiepunisher.jpg

http://www.archiefans.com/gallery/d/840-4/archie_punisher.jpg

SSSSSYEYYAAAASSEEE

[kratos]

The quick and dirty opinion:

Characters: Marvel.

Powers: DC has more god-like heavyweights. Marvel has better middleweights. DC has better plain normal people.

Cartoons: DC, by far. Although Wolverine & The X-Men is good.

Movies: Toss up. I think DC has more and Marvel has a better batting average.

Comics: Again, a toss up. For me, Marvel has more memorable story arcs like Secret Wars, Dark Phoenix Saga, Civil War, etc. DC has better graphic novels and Alex Ross has to be the pinnacle of comic art.

[MetalChild]

Mild Marvel endorsement. But all the comic companies because they feed the collector angle of comic collecting too much. Between 1987 and 1992 the price of comic books shot up to 2.25 from 75 cents. They fed the adults' collector obsession by pricing out kids.

Baseball card collectors priced kids out of card collecting and we wonder why kids aren't watching baseball.

I started reading the X-Men miniseries when it came out in the early 90's and I saw how the prices of books and baseball card skyrocketed. For example it went from paying $1.00 for a pack of upper deck cards to over $3. I mean WTF, even when I was a kid I said the same thing because who expects kids to have that kind of change on them? :furious::furious::furious:

Fuck you to all the corporate ass hats who thought the profits would never end. Now look at the industry.

[Melk]

I started reading the X-Men miniseries when it came out in the early 90's and I saw how the prices of books and baseball card skyrocketed. For example it went from paying $1.00 for a pack of upper deck cards to over $3. I mean WTF, even when I was a kid I said the same thing because who expects kids to have that kind of change on them? :furious::furious::furious:

Fuck you to all the corporate ass hats who thought the profits would never end. Now look at the industry.
Businesses want the 18-34 crowd so bad they have given children's toys to adults.

[EliSnow]

Movies: Toss up. I think DC has more and Marvel has a better batting average.

DC has more movies than Marvel? I think at this point, with three Blade movies, three X-men movies, three Spider-man movies, two Iron Man movies, two Hulk movies, two Fantastic Four movies and various other movies (Daredevil, Elektra, Punisher, Ghost Rider), Marvel has more movies made about its characters, and probably more good movies (though that is close).

Comics: Again, a toss up. For me, Marvel has more memorable story arcs like Secret Wars, Dark Phoenix Saga, Civil War, etc. DC has better graphic novels and Alex Ross has to be the pinnacle of comic art.

I think it's questionable that Ross' work is the pinnacle of comic art, but regardless, he's worked for both companies. He did Marvels and the various X miniseries (Earth X, etc). Plus, his output is not that huge to tip the balance even if he did work for just one company.

[kratos]

Points taken and I agree :thumbup: I kinda just threw things out there without researching.