Ash cloud be damned?

[jetdog]

Allright buddies, I'm sitting in a cheap Glasgow hotel waiting for a flight this Thursday back to the states. It looks like the airlines are sick of the experts' opinions and want to move...would you hop on a flight through this shit?

[Snoogans]

Allright buddies, I'm sitting in a cheap Glasgow hotel waiting for a flight this Thursday back to the states. It looks like the airlines are sick of the experts' opinions and want to move...would you hop on a flight through this shit?

there is silica in the ash. If you fly through it, the engine will heat it up and melt it, essentially gluing the engine stopped. When engines stop in the sky, you probably dont wanna be on that plane

[ozzie]

LHT is delaying bringing an EMPTY B747 into Frankfurt for a mod layover that is overdue, and screwing up our schedule.

But it's hurting them more than it's hurting us, so I gotta figure they know what they're doing...

...so no, if they won't fly it empty, I don't think I'd get on one right now either.

[jetdog]

LHT is delaying bringing an EMPTY B747 into Frankfort for a mod layover that is overdue, and screwing up our schedule.

But it's hurting them more than it's hurting us, so I gotta figure they know what they're doing...

...so no, if they won't fly it empty, I don't think I'd get on one right now either.

Wow, that's quite an argument...and did you go to Murphy high school?

[angrymissy]

Why can't they fly around the ash cloud, I don't get it. Like, go South, then West. Or fly to Japan, then across the Pacific?

[Snoogans]

Why can't they fly around the ash cloud, I don't get it. Like, go South, then West. Or fly to Japan, then across the Pacific?

is this serious?

The ash cloud is covering most of Europe. And its pretty hard to shock coordinate refueling and landings at places you should never land, not to mention that trying to fly 20 hours around the world the other way would probably cost way more than they are losing by just not flying.

[ozzie]

Wow, that's quite an argument...and did you go to Murphy high school?

Haha... wow, someone who knows Mobile!

But, no, I didn't. I was transplanted down here against my will after my Junior year of HS in Ohio. I ended up going part time my Senior year, and "graduating" from Fairhope High across the bay, before I left for Auburn.

[brettmojo]

there is silica in the ash. If you fly through it, the engine will heat it up and melt it, essentially gluing the engine stopped. When engines stop in the sky, you probably dont wanna be on that plane
It's the one thing I learned from Dante's Peak.

[ecobag2]

miss Jetdog

[ozzie]

Why can't they fly around the ash cloud, I don't get it. Like, go South, then West. Or fly to Japan, then across the Pacific?

The problem is that they still have to take off and fly through miles and miles of ash before they could ever be in clean air, and start to think about going around it.

Besides the visibility problems, and clogging the pitot static tubes which tell the pilot how fast he's going, like Snoogs said, the ash does major damage to the engines and could build up to the point that the engines seized up. And it's possible that the windshield and leading edges of the wings could be severely scratched up by the time you did make it through.

Especially for flights out of Glasgow Airport. Looking at where the ash is coming from, and how it's spreading, that's about the worst spot. Unless the winds somehow shifted the cloud way to the North, they're screwed for a while.

If you're desperate to get out, you'd better start looking for trains heading south, and plan on travelling as far as Italy before you find an airport with flights leaving.

[Barnaby Jones]

Don't do it, Mr. Dog!

[brettmojo]

Allright buddies, I'm sitting in a cheap Glasgow hotel waiting for a flight this Thursday back to the states. It looks like the airlines are sick of the experts' opinions and want to move...would you hop on a flight through this shit?
Nice knowing ya' buddy.

[Midkiff]

If they don't clear this shit up fast, I am going to be stuck in Africa when I am supposed to be home in Costa Rica for a month. I want them to go ahead and fly... but I don't want to be on the first plane.

:laugh:

[Barnaby Jones]

We must appease the angry Volcano Gods by throwing Midkiff into the lava!

[Midkiff]

We must appease the angry Volcano Gods by throwing Midkiff into the lava!

No, they love me. I work under one, and live under another.

[brettmojo]

there is silica in the ash. If you fly through it, the engine will heat it up and melt it, essentially gluing the engine stopped. When engines stop in the sky, you probably dont wanna be on that plane
Snoogans is the winner... (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gOf6EkFL_a2lZK_hHNlDWEig3uXwD9F69HD00)

BRUSSELS — A senior Western diplomat says several NATO F-16 fighters suffered engine damage after flying through the volcanic ash cloud covering large parts of Europe.
The official declined to provide more details on the military flights, except to say that glasslike deposits were found inside the planes' engines after they patroled over European airspace.
Last week, two Finnish Air Force F-18 fighter-bombers suffered similar damage while flying through the ash plume that has paralyzed air traffic over much of Europe. Both landed safely, but their jet engines will require expensive overhauls.
Volcanic ash tends to stick to a jet engine's interior parts, such as the turbines, where it melts to form a glassy coating. This restricts air flow and heats up the engine, leading to engine failure.

[StanUpshaw]

Virgin sacrifice candidates:

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That's what they get for teasing the earth's geothermal forces.

[Barnaby Jones]

No, they love me. I work under one, and live under another.

Oh no!

THEY'RE TRICKING YOU! RUN!!!

[underdog]

Snoogans is the winner... (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gOf6EkFL_a2lZK_hHNlDWEig3uXwD9F69HD00)

I think snoogans being right is the final sign of the apocalypse.

[Furtherman]

Would you fly through the ash cloud?

I feel the need...the need for speed!
That's right! Ice... man. I am dangerous.
pee in my Top Gun quotes

The poll doesn't make sense. Where is the NO answer?

Because that is my answer.

[Death Metal Moe]

The poll doesn't make sense. Where is the NO answer?

Because that is my answer.

That was my real problem. I was just going to vote "No" and leave, but now I have to post because I don't understand any of the fucking poll choices.

[jetdog]

That was my real problem. I was just going to vote "No" and leave, but now I have to post because I don't understand any of the fucking poll choices.

yeah, I got carried away reading the wikiquote sites for topgun, I thought the pee in my...insert noun here...option would suffice, sorry.

[jetdog]

miss Jetdog
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[Death Metal Moe]

yeah, I got carried away reading the wikiquote sites for topgun, I thought the pee in my...insert noun here...option would suffice, sorry.

Well since planes that have flown through this cloud have sustained damage, I will vote NO. Sorry you're stuck there but I'd rather be delayed and alive.

[JerseyRich]

My 92 year old Grandpa is flying over from the Motherland at the beginning of May...

I sure as hell hope these Icelanders don't fuck up his trip!

I say we start boycotting all of Bjork's music!

[Enabler]

I say we start boycotting all of Bjork's music!

Done.

And no, dont fly for fuckssake.

[Midkiff]

Lufthansa put some kind of filter thing in their engines that is supposed to keep ash out.

[angrymissy]

is this serious?

The ash cloud is covering most of Europe. And its pretty hard to shock coordinate refueling and landings at places you should never land, not to mention that trying to fly 20 hours around the world the other way would probably cost way more than they are losing by just not flying.

I haven't researched it in depth and kept hearing Iceland... assumed it was just over Iceland.

Yeah, but if I wanted to get home, I would drive as far East (or South, I guess) as possible and fly the other way.

[Snoogans]

I haven't researched it in depth and kept hearing Iceland... assumed it was just over Iceland.

Yeah, but if I wanted to get home, I would drive as far East (or South, I guess) as possible and fly the other way.

the problem is its not like the US. That makes you have to go through a few countries. and again, you would pretty much have to drive to Asia to find a flight that would end up lasting you 2 days and costing a ton. Most people probably cant afford that. Plus if you are in the UK, where are you gonna drive?

[Snoogans]

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[angrymissy]

the problem is its not like the US. That makes you have to go through a few countries. and again, you would pretty much have to drive to Asia to find a flight that would end up lasting you 2 days and costing a ton. Most people probably cant afford that. Plus if you are in the UK, where are you gonna drive?

It's not as difficult to go from country to country in the EU. To get to Spain you'd just do UK -> France -> Spain.

You can drive from England to France, there's a ferry and a train you can put your car on. I'd be trying to GTFO immediately if I was looking at being stuck for weeks. You could be in Madrid or Rome in 18 hours, I think that's where they said flights were leaving out of now in Europe.

[Snoogans]

It's not as difficult to go from country to country in the EU. To get to Spain you'd just do UK -> France -> Spain.

You can drive from England to France, there's a ferry and a train you can put your car on. I'd be trying to GTFO immediately if I was looking at being stuck for weeks. You could be in Madrid or Rome in 18 hours, I think that's where they said flights were leaving out of now in Europe.

yea but that would cost thousands of dollars that people at the end of their vacations probably dont have

[angrymissy]

yea but that would cost thousands of dollars that people at the end of their vacations probably dont have

Read an article saying you can do it for $800 and people were getting teams together and splitting between 3-4 people in one car. I'd rather do that than try to pay for a hotel room for god knows how long. It would drive me nuts being trapped. It's 1000 miles, like driving from NY to Miami, ppl do that all the time.

[Snoogans]

Read an article saying you can do it for $800 and people were getting teams together and splitting between 3-4 people in one car. I'd rather do that than try to pay for a hotel room for god knows how long. It would drive me nuts being trapped.

the flight im talkin about. You were originally sayin as if it was Americans. Even if you drive to italy, to fly that far around the cloud or to fly east over the pacific would cost THOUSANDS

[angrymissy]

the flight im talkin about. You were originally sayin as if it was Americans. Even if you drive to italy, to fly that far around the cloud or to fly east over the pacific would cost THOUSANDS

They can fly regular flights now from Italy to US and Madrid to US without rerouting. They're like the only 2 cities you can get regular flights out of right now.

[StanUpshaw]

And it should be no problem catching a flight out of the only functional airport on the continent.

[Snoogans]

They can fly regular flights now from Italy to US and Madrid to US without rerouting. They're like the only 2 cities you can get regular flights out of right now.

as stan said, good luck booking one. And even still, its thousands of dollars. Its not like flying from newark to florida for 400 bucks. That shit is not cheap and im sure the airlines are jacking up the rates like mad right now too. Completely not feasable for 99% of them, esp after they just spent all their money on vacation

[angrymissy]

I would SO do anything to get the fuck out. You're gonna be hemorrhaging money anyway every day you stay in the UK. I'd rather be stuck at an airport that I have some remote chance of getting out of.

[Snoogans]

I would SO do anything to get the fuck out. You're gonna be hemorrhaging money anyway every day you stay in the UK. I'd rather be stuck at an airport that I have some remote chance of getting out of.

actually, the hotels have remainded pretty cheap for the people staying in them because the next people who were supposed to stay cant get there. So if those people leave the hotels get nothing. So they have been giving great rates

[angrymissy]

The amount of money I'd lose in pay, plus the amount of money I'd spend on hotel/food/etc, would probably equal the cost of a jacked up flight home. No way would I stay there if there was no date in sight that flights would be running again.

[Snoogans]

The amount of money I'd lose in pay, plus the amount of money I'd spend on hotel/food/etc, would probably equal the cost of a jacked up flight home. No way would I stay there if there was no date in sight that flights would be running again.

ok thats you. you are acting like everyone should do that. which if they did would probably cause a few week backup at the airports

[angrymissy]

Where did I say everyone should do that? I said that I, personally, would do my best to get the hell outta dodge. You're hemorrhaging money by staying there.

[JerseyRich]

I hope Grandpa Stillwell makes it across the pond!

[Snoogans]

Why can't they fly around the ash cloud, I don't get it. Like, go South, then West. Or fly to Japan, then across the Pacific?

Where did I say everyone should do that? I said that I, personally, would do my best to get the hell outta dodge. You're hemorrhaging money by staying there.

your points now are better. but that first point was just so ridiculous

[angrymissy]

your points now are better. but that first point was just so ridiculous

All I heard on the radio was "Iceland Ash Cloud", which is why I thought the cloud was just over Iceland.

[jetdog]

thanks kids, you make me feel so much better...almost as good as when I heard there is a second ash cloud.

A fucking ash cloud!?!?!? An ash cloud!?!?!?

Fuck!!!!!What is this middle earth!?!?!?


Fuck!!!!!!!

[sailor]

actually, the hotels have remainded pretty cheap for the people staying in them because the next people who were supposed to stay cant get there. So if those people leave the hotels get nothing. So they have been giving great rates

the hotel i work for has a bunch of stranded folk from europe. we're doing everything to make it work for them. and it's true about the people who would replace them cancelling as well.