2010 College Football thread

[Snoogans]

Spring practices are just around the corner. classes are set for the most part, and its time to get ready for next college football season with this awesome story

EUGENE, Ore. -- Oregon quarterback Jeremiah Masoli, who helped lead the Ducks to the Pac-10 Conference title and a Rose Bowl berth last season, faces a burglary charge in connection with a theft at a campus fraternity house in late January.

The Lane Country district attorney's office says Masoli and former Oregon receiver Garrett Embry were each charged Wednesday with one count of burglary in the second degree.


what the fuck is chip kelly doin out there?

[Dan 'Hampton]

At least they're not the Buckeyes.

[Snoogans]

At least they're not the Buckeyes.

i cant wait til rutgers goes to the big ten and beats that sweater vested flame

[weekapaugjz]

i cant wait til rutgers goes to the big ten and beats that sweater vested flame

i can't wait either, but just so penn state can pound the shit out of rutgers every year.

[Snoogans]

i can't wait either, but just so penn state can pound the shit out of rutgers every year.

please schiano will coach circles around that old fuck

[SP1!]

Geeez snoogans, this is even early for SEC fans to be excited.

Our projected starting QB got arrested as well but his was normal college stuff, underage drunk, disorderly, and obstruction, if this was UF, bama, or UT they wouldnt even think twice but since its Richt Im not sure if he will be with the team. At best hes on a short leash for the next year.

[Snoogans]

Geeez snoogans, this is even early for SEC fans to be excited.

Our projected starting QB got arrested as well but his was normal college stuff, underage drunk, disorderly, and obstruction, if this was UF, bama, or UT they wouldnt even think twice but since its Richt Im not sure if he will be with the team. At best hes on a short leash for the next year.

7 ducks or now former ducks have been arrested since the season ended. 3 face felony charges


Rutgers continues to be awesome. I can wait for the spring game

[SP1!]

I think some in the pac 10 are thinking the way to get better is to recruit non-college material players, which some in the SEC have done for years, the problem is that only works if you get players that listen if you dont then you get the moniker Thug U.

[ozzie]

The national debut of Cam Newton and co.

Saturday, April 17th @ 1 p.m.

Live from Jordan-Hare Stadium on ESPNU

WDE

[SP1!]

Top sucky schedule offenders (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/359395-the-top-10-most-cowardly-programs-in-college-football)

And has Cam even played in NCAA games, wasnt he cut by another team? All the video I have seen about him is that he was great in HS which doesnt mean a lot since its level of talent is crappy.

[JimBeam]

There was discussion bounced around a few weeks ago about Texas being added to the Big 10.

That makes zero sense and I don't care how good academically they are considered.

I did hear a Big 10 rep at some point say they haven't even thought about or approached Texas about the idea so who knows.

[ozzie]

And has Cam even played in NCAA games, wasnt he cut by another team? All the video I have seen about him is that he was great in HS which doesnt mean a lot since its level of talent is crappy.

He played some mop up time in blow out games as a true freshman (2nd team back up behind Teblow) in 2008 at Florida.

He left the Gaytors after a "misunderstanding" about a laptop computer, and transfered to a JUCO in Texas where he played last year.

[SP1!]

He played some mop up time in blow out games as a true freshman (2nd team back up behind Teblow) in 2008 at Florida.

He left the Gaytors after a "misunderstanding" about a laptop computer, and transfered to a JUCO in Texas where he played last year.

Translation: He stole a laptop then tried to pass it off as he was borrowing it and the school covered it up since it all happened on campus, nice. This is why I hate the game sometimes, if a kid fucks up send him to jail, dont cover for him.

LOL, I love oscar meyers quote for it when it happened:
I know probably less than you guys know about it because our focus was on beating The Citadel, and now that it’s over I’ve got to deal with some issues and I’ll know more. (http://blogs.tampabay.com/gators/2008/11/florida-quart-1.html)
Really oscar? Focusing on the citadel? The top 25 HS teams could beat the citadel, what a douchebag.

[Snoogans]

this makes me laugh

La Michael James was suspended 1 game for pleading guilty to a misdemeanor

Jeramiah Missoli was suspended for the entire 2010 season for pleading guilty to a misdemeanor

[Freakshow]

There was discussion bounced around a few weeks ago about Texas being added to the Big 10.

That makes zero sense and I don't care how good academically they are considered.

I did hear a Big 10 rep at some point say they haven't even thought about or approached Texas about the idea so who knows.

Makes a lot of sense. Texas can make more money if they join the Big Ten. And they are launching their own tv network, so they can benefit from the already running Big Ten network...

[sailor]

i think rutgers in the pinstripe bowl (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/sports/ncaafootball/10sandomir.html) would have been kinda funny.

[RADIO-SHARK]

you...:devil2:

[Snoogans]

trivia question, and dont look it up you cheatin fags

And I know a couple people here will know the answer, trynot to ruin it if you know you are right


Who holds the all time NCAA record for rushing TDs by a QB?

[Snoogans]

i think rutgers in the pinstripe bowl (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/sports/ncaafootball/10sandomir.html) would have been kinda funny.

they actually really want rutgers in it. To help sell tickets the first year.

good chance that after this season, rutgers is no longer a big east team

[sailor]

they actually really want rutgers in it. To help sell tickets the first year.

good chance that after this season, rutgers is no longer a big east team

i just meant 'cause it might piss you off. also, why do you want them to leave (it seems like you do)?

[Snoogans]

i just meant 'cause it might piss you off. also, why do you want them to leave (it seems like you do)?

why wouldnt I. Better bowl games, more money. Immediately they would get an extra 20 mill a year. plus why wouldnt I want Ohio State and Michigan and them coming here? Eventually it would expand the stadium more too. it would just be all around good for the University, for recruiting, and for the Big Ten

[epo]

why wouldnt I. Better bowl games, more money. Immediately they would get an extra 20 mill a year. plus why wouldnt I want Ohio State and Michigan and them coming here? Eventually it would expand the stadium more too. it would just be all around good for the University, for recruiting, and for the Big Ten

We all know that Rutgers is joining the Big Ten. Its the most obvious play in the history of college sports.

[disneyspy]

We all know that Rutgers is joining the Big Ten. Its the most obvious play in the history of college sports.

the BIG 10 is slowly taking over the world

[sailor]

why wouldnt I. Better bowl games, more money. Immediately they would get an extra 20 mill a year. plus why wouldnt I want Ohio State and Michigan and them coming here? Eventually it would expand the stadium more too. it would just be all around good for the University, for recruiting, and for the Big Ten

ok, so you go from also-ran in big east to big 10 doormat. Enjoy the cash.

[Aggie]

There was discussion bounced around a few weeks ago about Texas being added to the Big 10.

That makes zero sense and I don't care how good academically they are considered.

I did hear a Big 10 rep at some point say they haven't even thought about or approached Texas about the idea so who knows.

they can have 'em.

[sailor]

Oh, by way of two examples, Miami basketball and rich rodriguez.

[SP1!]

trivia question, and dont look it up you cheatin fags

And I know a couple people here will know the answer, trynot to ruin it if you know you are right


Who holds the all time NCAA record for rushing TDs by a QB?

Is it Joe Montana?

BTW, the record holder only has it because he played 4 years, almost everyone he passed in the top 10 only played 3 years.

[Snoogans]

ok, so you go from also-ran in big east to big 10 doormat. Enjoy the cash.

you dont watch much football do you?

Here is the problem with you just shooting off examples not knowing:

One, Miami basketball. Sucks balls in the big east. Has actually been BETTER OFF in the ACC. And Rich Rod is struggling to put in an offense that Michigan didnt have the guys to run. I root for him to fail but the jury is still out on that.

And incase you havent paid attention, Rutgers is starting to recruit huge, and being in the big ten will help that too. Im pretty sure you dont honestly believe rutgers already cant compete with northwestern, illinois, michigan state and then, even though they have beaten Michigan State pretty recently.

Couple that with the fact that Rutgers is becoming really good at putting people into the NFL, and you are very very wrong about the future of it.

And how in the hell did you try to use Miami basketball? Why not use football instead? Miami basketball moving to ACC was a blessing for them

[Snoogans]

Is it Joe Montana?

BTW, the record holder only has it because he played 4 years, almost everyone he passed in the top 10 only played 3 years.

yea he also threw 3 passes a game. Bottom line is, he has the record

[sailor]

Rutgers is on par with where Miami basketball was when they left the league. Miami football was a league power. That's why.

[Snoogans]

Rutgers is on par with where Miami basketball was when they left the league. Miami football was a league power. That's why.

rutgers has been way better the past 4 or 5 years than Miami basketball ever was that I can remember

[hammersavage]

rutgers has been way better the past 4 or 5 years than Miami basketball ever was that I can remember

Miami was awesome in the late 90's. A #2 seed in the tourney one year if I remember. Not that i agree with sailor.

[Snoogans]

Miami was awesome in the late 90's. A #2 seed in the tourney one year if I remember. Not that i agree with sailor.

dude please, i cant remember 7 years ago, nevermind the late 90's

[SP1!]

yea he also threw 3 passes a game. Bottom line is, he has the record

And he will have the same kind of career charlie ward had in the NFL, it will be fun to see the LBs and DEs in the NFL bury him into the turf

[Snoogans]

And he will have the same kind of career charlie ward had in the NFL, it will be fun to see the LBs and DEs in the NFL bury him into the turf

charlie ward didnt play in the NFL


and i dont think he will either, im pretty sure he has some commitments to follow

[SP1!]

charlie ward didnt play in the NFL


and i dont think he will either, im pretty sure he has some commitments to follow

That was my point, just like ron dayne holds the ncaa yardage record and we all know he tore it up in the NFL..................oh wait, he didnt and hes not even playing any more.

[Snoogans]

That was my point, just like ron dayne holds the ncaa yardage record and we all know he tore it up in the NFL..................oh wait, he didnt and hes not even playing any more.

do you know why Charlie Ward didnt play in the NFL?

[Freakshow]

they can have 'em.

Texas doesn't come without A&M. Rutgers only comes if Penn State goes to bat for them.

[Snoogans]

Texas doesn't come without A&M. Rutgers only comes if Penn State goes to bat for them.

it woulda been that way, but it looks like a few of the teams in the Big Ten want Rutgers now

[Freakshow]

It's all wildly rampant speculation. No one really 'knows' anything. Detroit sports talk radio was all about going a 16 team superconference adding Texas, A&M, Missou, and some combination of Pitt/Syracuse/Rutgers. Or maybe it's a big bluff to finally get Notre Dame to give in and join...

[Snoogans]

It's all wildly rampant speculation. No one really 'knows' anything. Detroit sports talk radio was all about going a 16 team superconference adding Texas, A&M, Missou, and some combination of Pitt/Syracuse/Rutgers. Or maybe it's a big bluff to finally get Notre Dame to give in and join...

from what i heard, the superconference shit will happen after the big 10 and pac 10 add teams. then the SEC and ACC will go to like 14 and pretty soon everyone will be dickslapping in 16 team conferences. Including ND. Maybe thats when the playoffs come?

[Freakshow]

god I hope so.

[SP1!]

do you know why Charlie Ward didnt play in the NFL?

Charlie will say it was because he loved basketball more but in reality he wasnt even thought about as a NFL prospect, let alone a first rounder (which is where he said he had to be drafted to play football) he would have been a possession receiver at best in the NFL, he knew that since all the scouts told him tha he was 3rd or 4th rounder at best, so he went to the NBA.

Basically hes a big baby who went to the NBA since he wasnt going to be a first rounder, boo-fucking-who.

[Snoogans]

Charlie will say it was because he loved basketball more but in reality he wasnt even thought about as a NFL prospect, let alone a first rounder (which is where he said he had to be drafted to play football) he would have been a possession receiver at best in the NFL, he knew that since all the scouts told him tha he was 3rd or 4th rounder at best, so he went to the NBA.

Basically hes a big baby who went to the NBA since he wasnt going to be a first rounder, boo-fucking-who.

actually no. he is a smart boy who realized he would make more money in the NBA than in the NFL unless he was drafted first round. it was actually nice of him to tell teams if you dont take me first round, dont bother cause im playin basketball. he saved some team a pick. He wasnt being a douche, it was just a fact. any kid coming out of college is gonna take the higher paying job

[Snoogans]

in fact he actually says he woulda rather played football, the money just wasnt there for him. I never once heard him say basketball was his first choice

[SP1!]

actually no. he is a smart boy who realized he would make more money in the NBA than in the NFL unless he was drafted first round. it was actually nice of him to tell teams if you dont take me first round, dont bother cause im playin basketball. he saved some team a pick. He wasnt being a douche, it was just a fact. any kid coming out of college is gonna take the higher paying job

Lets not act like he had much of a choice here, he thought football would play more money up front, that is why he gave up baseball since in one of his interviews he stated that he was told it may take him until his mid-late 20s to get the kind of contract he could get in the NFL or NBA.

That is douchey to me since all he was concerned about was the money and to me that shows a lot more about his character than anything else, he even stated at the time he was drafted by the knicks that basketball was his first love. The other douchey part is that he stated that he deserved to be a 1st round NFL pick but nobody else thought so, since he had a horrible throwing motion.

He was a spoiled brat of an athlete with a lot of potential but didnt want to do the work to make it to the elite level, hell I dont even think he was good enough to waste a 1st round NBA pick on him.

[Snoogans]

you could think its douchey, but its life. Who the fuck works and its not about the money? You dont think a kid with a business degree coming outta college would take the job that pays 100K now rather than having to wait 5 years for it? Fuck that. ITS ABOUT MONEY. THE KIDS GET FREE RIDES TO PLAY THE SPORT TO MAKE MONEY FOR THE SCHOOL. THE KIDS PARENTS MAKE THEM PLAY THE SPORTS IF THEY ARE GOOD SO THEY CAN BE RICH.

if you are gonna attack someones character because they took the route that would secure their life the best, then you are insane. anyway thats not why im posting

AND HOW DOES A NASCAR THREAD GET A STICKY BUT NOT THIS. GET ON IT.

Anyway, what the fuck is goin on with highschool/college football kids dyin? First it was Howard last year at UConn plus that weird fall for that USF kicker. Then a couple weeks ago Berry, the RB at FIU was stabbed to death, and then today I just saw this:

Notre Dame recruit Matt James died Friday in Panama City, Fla., after falling from a hotel balcony, several media outlets reported.

James, 17, was vacationing in Florida for spring break.

A 6-foot-6, 291-pound offensive tackle, James was named USA Today first-team All-American after leading Cincinnati's St. Xavier to a No. 4 ranking in the final state poll.

the kid musta been incredibly wasted. still fuckin sad

[Snoogans]

he even stated at the time he was drafted by the knicks that basketball was his first love.


He was a spoiled brat of an athlete with a lot of potential but didnt want to do the work to make it to the elite level, hell I dont even think he was good enough to waste a 1st round NBA pick on him.

for the bold part, yea so? Johnny Damon stated when he signed with the Tigers that he wanted to go to Detroit his entire life.

In college, he stated he wanted to play football, and settled for basketball when he saw he wouldnt get a job in the NFL. Thats what was true.



as for the second part, read my above post. LeBron wasnt a spoiled brat of an athlete? THEY ALL ARE

and how can you say he didnt wanna do the work to play at an elite level when he was a starting PG in the NBA for years? Thats pretty elite level to me. And where does all the hate come from with Ward?

I know you arent a huge fan so ill give you a pass but I am a huge Knicks fan and I watched alot. Charlie Ward wasnt bad. In fact, Id take him over any PG we have had since him. He was pretty good, and prob woulda been better than the QBs who played in NY at the same time.

The MAIN reason no one wanted to take a chance on him in the NFL is because he was a running QB before it was popular, AND, unlike most of the running QBs the NFL takes a chance on, he was pretty small. Thats what turned off most teams. Cuase Tim Teblow has a worse throwing motion than Ward EVER did and teams are still all over his nuts.


So save it. You are wrong, and Charlie Ward was fucking smart and made the right move, the move ANYONE woulda made.

And he wasnt awful.


Upon graduation, Ward stated he was undecided about professional basketball or football and made it clear that he would not consider playing in the NFL unless selected in the first round of the 1994 NFL Draft. Ward proclaimed that he "deserved to" be a first rounder.[3] Ward’s mother reported that the family was told he "was probably a third-to fifth-round pick."[4] Because teams did not want to waste a first round pick on a player that might eventually choose the NBA, and because of his smaller stature, Ward was not selected in the 1st round of the NFL Draft. Instead of pursuing a career as a football player in the NFL, and having been chosen in the 1st round (26th overall) of the 1994 NBA Draft by the New York Knicks, he began his career in the NBA as a point guard. An inquiry was made during Ward's rookie year with the Knicks to become the backup quarterback for Joe Montana of the Kansas City Chiefs, but Ward declined.

Ward played sparingly in his rookie year under head coach Pat Riley, but the Knicks organization referred to him as "the point guard of the future." When assistant coach Jeff Van Gundy took over the head coaching position, Ward's time on the floor began to increase, becoming the primary backup for point guard Derek Harper. He became a fan favorite in New York for his hard work ethic and unselfish play. During his NBA career, Ward established himself as a good three-point shooter, a reliable ball distributor, and a respected floor leader.


yea what a lazy piece of shit who didnt wanna put in the work to be an elite athlete

go away now

[Snoogans]

just one more little piece of info, not worth the 26th overall pick in the NBA draft:

Ward was selected to participate in the 1998 NBA All-Star three-point competition, finishing fourth in the event. He soon helped the Knicks reach the 1999 NBA Finals before falling to the San Antonio Spurs


there is only one thing I could ever hate about Charlie Ward, and thats that he was good enough to help make this happen:

Ward was traded to the Phoenix Suns in February 2004 as part of the blockbuster trade that brought Stephon Marbury to the Knicks and was promptly cut by the Suns for salary purposes.


oh yea and what a brat Charlie Ward is. Such a cocksucker:

Ward spent the remainder of the season with the Spurs and signed a contract with the Houston Rockets the following summer. After maintaining relatively good health over his first decade in the league, injuries caused Ward to miss most of the 2004-05 season. Because of his injuries Ward retired.

Off the court, Ward is known for his extensive charitable work through groups like the Fellowship of Christian Athletes.

[sailor]

also, tebow's white.

[Snoogans]

also, tebow's white.

sadly i think that has alot more to do with it than most people would wanna accept

[ozzie]

Auburn's Spring A-Day Game is this Saturday.

It'll be on ESPNU @ 1 p.m. (2 p.m. in the East)

I can't help it. I'm going up this year. I need a college football fix, and can't wait until Fall to see Cam and the new guys.

The format is supposed to be a full 4 (12 min) quarter split-squad game.

http://homepage.mac.com/chace/WAR%20EAGLE/pictures/picture-10.jpg


I've also heard there's another little "a-day" game going on in the state on the same day... maybe on some espn channel or something, that starts like an hour after ours.

Yeeeeeeehaw!!

http://homepage.mac.com/chace/WAR%20EAGLE/pictures/picture-92.jpg

[SP1!]

Still dont understand why this isnt stickied, the NCAA basketball thread was and it didnt get as many posts/views as the football thread last year.

Im still wondering how the conferences will shake out, Im kind of hoping that the NCAA puts a cap on how many teams you can have soon, otherwise its going to end up being 3 super conferences and a bunch of scrub teams in conferences.

And you will never change my mind on charlie ward snoog, I met the man and he is a colossal douche, FCA? Bullshit, hes just in that because his momma wants him to be religious, hes about as religious as preachers caught in mens bathrooms with their pants down against a glory hole. Hes a selfish, arrogant prick so fuck him and his whiny ass.

Ok rant off, good luck with rutgers this year snoogans, it may be their last year in the big east if the big 10(?) comes calling, hell they get to play in a real football conference!!!!

PS, sticky this bitch

[ozzie]

http://homepage.mac.com/chace/WAR%20EAGLE/pictures/picture-10.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/chace/WAR%20EAGLE/pictures/picture-92.jpg

This is what I get for hotlinking to Rivals poster's picture page. These were images of Cam Newton and some hideous Bama hayseed. I guess he just re-names his pictures "picture-10", etc.

[Snoogans]

Still dont understand why this isnt stickied, the NCAA basketball thread was and it didnt get as many posts/views as the football thread last year.

Im still wondering how the conferences will shake out, Im kind of hoping that the NCAA puts a cap on how many teams you can have soon, otherwise its going to end up being 3 super conferences and a bunch of scrub teams in conferences.

And you will never change my mind on charlie ward snoog, I met the man and he is a colossal douche, FCA? Bullshit, hes just in that because his momma wants him to be religious, hes about as religious as preachers caught in mens bathrooms with their pants down against a glory hole. Hes a selfish, arrogant prick so fuck him and his whiny ass.

Ok rant off, good luck with rutgers this year snoogans, it may be their last year in the big east if the big 10(?) comes calling, hell they get to play in a real football conference!!!!

PS, sticky this bitch

prob 2 more years in the big east since it wont happen til after this one and thats prob too short notice to do the scheduling. But yea I cant wait. Infrastructure is in place also so that the stadium (I bet the teachers and that faggot rutgers 1000 loved when they announced this) can be expanded to as many as 95000 seats over time

btw can someone explain to me why people are still protesting the school and sayin how football takes away resources from the rest of the University and taxes when, in fact, the football program turned a profit last year and is now completely self sufficient, and when the stadium wasnt paid for with a single tax dollar?

Oh yea, they are also getting close to declassifying johnson park as a county park and paving it to make parking lots for football. CAUSE FOOTBALL IS AWESOME, AND JOHNSON PARK IS FOR FAGGOTS. PAVE THAT BITCH, WE NEED TO TAILGATE

[SP1!]

prob 2 more years in the big east since it wont happen til after this one and thats prob too short notice to do the scheduling. But yea I cant wait. Infrastructure is in place also so that the stadium (I bet the teachers and that faggot rutgers 1000 loved when they announced this) can be expanded to as many as 95000 seats over time

btw can someone explain to me why people are still protesting the school and sayin how football takes away resources from the rest of the University and taxes when, in fact, the football program turned a profit last year and is now completely self sufficient, and when the stadium wasnt paid for with a single tax dollar?

Oh yea, they are also getting close to declassifying johnson park as a county park and paving it to make parking lots for football. CAUSE FOOTBALL IS AWESOME, AND JOHNSON PARK IS FOR FAGGOTS. PAVE THAT BITCH, WE NEED TO TAILGATE

Yeah I dont understand, it brings recognition and more revenue in than almost anything else.

[KnoxHarrington]

I just think the conference realignment story has been hijacked by pundits engaging in some wild-ass speculation, and the final result is going to be far less than some might think (or have said it will be.) Maybe Notre Dame joins the Big Ten (but only if NBC doesn't re-up their deal with them), but I really don't think it goes much further than that.

These crazy scenarios that have Texas & Oklahoma going to the Pac-10 (which I actually saw some douche on ESPN predict) or similar wackiness are just nonsense.

[Snoogans]

Yeah I dont understand, it brings recognition and more revenue in than almost anything else.

well when they first committed to making football big, it cost alot of money, and since the school is a state school, basically taxes were paying for it. But instead of people realizing that it would eventually pay for itself and alot of other things, they acted like thats what it will always be. Now that its not taking tax money, they dont listen and just keep thinking what they want.

[Snoogans]

I just think the conference realignment story has been hijacked by pundits engaging in some wild-ass speculation, and the final result is going to be far less than some might think (or have said it will be.) Maybe Notre Dame joins the Big Ten (but only if NBC doesn't re-up their deal with them), but I really don't think it goes much further than that.

These crazy scenarios that have Texas & Oklahoma going to the Pac-10 (which I actually saw some douche on ESPN predict) or similar wackiness are just nonsense.

ND will never join a conference unless it starts gettin nuts. If they only take one, my guess now would be rutgers, but probably they will try to take 3 and see what happens

[SP1!]

well when they first committed to making football big, it cost alot of money, and since the school is a state school, basically taxes were paying for it. But instead of people realizing that it would eventually pay for itself and alot of other things, they acted like thats what it will always be. Now that its not taking tax money, they dont listen and just keep thinking what they want.
Well most businesses dont make money to start with, but now they seem to be rolling in dough and those protesting the team look really stupid.

ND will never join a conference unless it starts gettin nuts. If they only take one, my guess now would be rutgers, but probably they will try to take 3 and see what happens
I can see ND joining one soon, their TV contract is up soon I think and no station will up that while they suck.

[Snoogans]

Well most businesses dont make money to start with, but now they seem to be rolling in dough and those protesting the team look really stupid.


I can see ND joining one soon, their TV contract is up soon I think and no station will up that while they suck.

it also really sounds like its about to get nuts with this pac 10 big 12 shit

[SP1!]

it also really sounds like its about to get nuts with this pac 10 big 12 shit

I dont see Texas or AM going to the pac 10, they have a history with other teams from the SEC who already has a money structure in place, what does the pac 10 have outside of USC?

Hell the big east has more to offer than the pac 10 as far as competition goes, I think they will end up in the big 10 or SEC before the pac 10, then the pac 10 will suck up the MWC and other western conferences to bolster their chances.

[Snoogans]

I dont see Texas or AM going to the pac 10, they have a history with other teams from the SEC who already has a money structure in place, what does the pac 10 have outside of USC?

Hell the big east has more to offer than the pac 10 as far as competition goes, I think they will end up in the big 10 or SEC before the pac 10, then the pac 10 will suck up the MWC and other western conferences to bolster their chances.

im not sayin it will, just sayin the talk of it may make others react

[SP1!]

im not sayin it will, just sayin the talk of it may make others react

Well the big 12 has told nebraska and missouri they have until friday to make up their minds, so this may all come to a head really quickly. The more plausible scenario for the big 12 is only colorado going there along with utah, the rest of those teams would stomp most of the pac 10 in the ground.

[JimBeam]

I dont see Texas or AM going to the pac 10, they have a history with other teams from the SEC who already has a money structure in place, what does the pac 10 have outside of USC?

Hell the big east has more to offer than the pac 10 as far as competition goes, I think they will end up in the big 10 or SEC before the pac 10, then the pac 10 will suck up the MWC and other western conferences to bolster their chances.

There's no way the Big East has more talent than the PAC10.

The state of California alone probably has more D1 talent than the entire northeast.

If Texas gets added to the PAC10, which I'm not sure is a certainty, that conference would contain the 2 of the 3 biggest recruting grounds.

[Snoogans]

There's no way the Big East has more talent than the PAC10.

The state of California alone probably has more D1 talent than the entire northeast.

If Texas gets added to the PAC10, which I'm not sure is a certainty, that conference would contain the 2 of the 3 biggest recruting grounds.

i will just make the point that the team that finished number 1 nationally in HS football this past season was from NJ. They also went out to Cali and beat De La Salle the year before, then beat them in Jersey and went to Bama and beat some bums there last year too.


Just sayin

[JimBeam]

I was looking at it more from a recruiting perspective.

If you look at a Rivals Top 100 you're gonna find a lot more players from CA than you are from NY and Maine.

Sure NJ and PA have their share of highly recruited players and Oregon and Washington don't but I think it's CA that has the pool that most schools like to scout.

[Snoogans]

I was looking at it more from a recruiting perspective.

If you look at a Rivals Top 100 you're gonna find a lot more players from CA than you are from NY and Maine.

Sure NJ and PA have their share of highly recruited players and Oregon and Washington don't but I think it's CA that has the pool that most schools like to scout.

i know fool I was just breaking balls. Any asshole who doesnt recognize the holy ground for recruiting is florida, texas and cali doesnt watch CFB

[JimBeam]

They were discussing the issue on ESPNU and the consensus was that if the PAC10 did grab all those schools that Kansas and Kansas St would be screwed.

They'd be relegated to a Mountain West Conference.

When it was brought up that Kansas has a great basketball tradition the reply was " So what ? This is all about football. "

I think they'd have a problem with divisions though.

You can't go East/West ( or I guess w/ an east coast bias it'd be west and more west ) because that's leave all the Big 12 schools in the same division and I think they'd wanna seperate them in some way.

[Snoogans]

They were discussing the issue on ESPNU and the consensus was that if the PAC10 did grab all those schools that Kansas and Kansas St would be screwed.

They'd be relegated to a Mountain West Conference.

When it was brought up that Kansas has a great basketball tradition the reply was " So what ? This is all about football. "

I think they'd have a problem with divisions though.

You can't go East/West ( or I guess w/ an east coast bias it'd be west and more west ) because that's leave all the Big 12 schools in the same division and I think they'd wanna seperate them in some way.
eventually its gonna be either 6 16 teamers and a small other conf or 6 20 team conf and just fuck it. This whole shit is about to flip nuts

[JimBeam]

They're reporting now that Texas lawmakers want Baylor to be included in the teams that go to the PAC10.

They also mentioned what SP1! said about the possibility of just Colorado and Utah joining the PAC10.

As far as what Knox had mentioned previously there's a much greater chance of all of these other realignments happeneing long before ND joins the Big East.

It doesn't matter that they suck, they have a national following and networks will pay for that type of exposure.

[El Mudo]

This whole thing is an absolute mess (http://deadspin.com/5557835/conference-realignment-will-tear-us-all-apart)

Yet I can't look away.

[ozzie]

This whole thing is an absolute mess (http://deadspin.com/5557835/conference-realignment-will-tear-us-all-apart)

Yet I can't look away.

Somebody please alert me when there is an official move.

Until then, I can't take any more "speculation" about what anyone outside of conference officials "think" is "going to happen".

I've had to stop listening to any sports radio, and avoid reading "speculation" articles.

Knock yourselves out in here. I'm just talking about my own personal conversations at work, at the ball field, with fam and friends... etc.

Enough already. I'll be glad to discuss the ramifications AFTER the fact.

And to be honest, I'm getting the same way about recruiting. I'll be happy to discuss and compare classes AFTER signing day, but until then, I can't take the hours of talk about who people "think" are going where.

Again... no offense to anyone in here... I'm just personally worn out on the subject.

[JimBeam]

More speculation I guess but the ticker on ESPN this morning had a source from the Big 12 saying that it's all but done that Nebraska will announce it's move to the Big 10 by Friday.

[Snoogans]

this is the last ill really do this til i know some shit. Im with ozzie, im burnin out on it.

That would be good for Rutgers. That probably triggers a bunch of other moves which probably triggers the big ten to add more schools.

OK now ill wait and see

[ozzie]

I think the magic numbers here are either 12 or 16. No other odd number makes sense.


12 gives them 2 divisions and a Champion$hip game, which all the conferences want.

The Big 10 just needs one to get them to 12. They could hold there without causing a lot of shake ups.... depending upon who the 12th is. If it's Notre Dame, no big deal. But if they rob from a BCS conference, it could be just the beginning.


Same for the Pac 10. Look for them to add 2 or 6. Two from the MWC, WAC or C-USA... might not lead to a seismic shift. But if the Big-12 goes into full collapse, I can see the fight on for Texas, and some bigger deals getting done.


If the other conferences just go to 12, I don't expect the SEC to panic and start grabbing up schools.

BUT... the SEC won't be the last one to make the jump to 16 either. They've got contingency plans in place in case a mass movement starts.


I actually broke my promise and went and listened to ESPN's report on Nebraska, and now I'm kicking myself for falling for it again. Their report said that they haven't even been offered anything from the Big 10 yet, so I have no idea what sparked this report.

Just more speculation.

[El Mudo]

I think the magic numbers here are either 12 or 16. No other odd number makes sense.


12 gives them 2 divisions and a Champion$hip game, which all the conferences want.

The Big 10 just needs one to get them to 12. They could hold there without causing a lot of shake ups.... depending upon who the 12th is. If it's Notre Dame, no big deal. But if they rob from a BCS conference, it could be just the beginning.


Same for the Pac 10. Look for them to add 2 or 6. Two from the MWC, WAC or C-USA... might not lead to a seismic shift. But if the Big-12 goes into full collapse, I can see the fight on for Texas, and some bigger deals getting done.


If the other conferences just go to 12, I don't expect the SEC to panic and start grabbing up schools.

BUT... the SEC won't be the last one to make the jump to 16 either. They've got contingency plans in place in case a mass movement starts.


I actually broke my promise and went and listened to ESPN's report on Nebraska, and now I'm kicking myself for falling for it again. Their report said that they haven't even been offered anything from the Big 10 yet, so I have no idea what sparked this report.

Just more speculation.


Wouldn't surprise me if the SEC starts looking at some ACC teams if there's a rush on teams.

[Snoogans]

Oregon just booted Mizzoli. Apparently he was arrested again?

[ozzie]

Wouldn't surprise me if the SEC starts looking at some ACC teams if there's a rush on teams.

I could see the ACC raiding what's left of the Big East to remain one of the 16 school super-conferences that survives.

A lot of people seem to be looking at what schools are already within a conferences existing geographic region, to try to predict what might happen.

I don't think the SEC would gain much by adding, say, Ga Tech and Clemson, when they're already established in those areas. BUT... picking up Miami and Florida State, or North Carolina... now you're talking new geographic regions, and a massive stronghold on the talent rich state of Florida.

The only way to convince the current school presidents to vote for expansion is that it has to be in their intere$t. TV contracts are the driving factors. What new audience does this bring, and what exposure do their current schools get into those areas by playing those new teams?

The big player in this is Texas. Everyone is going to pursue them.

I think in the SEC's dreams, they'd want Miami, Florida State, Texas and Oklahoma.

That's a lot of wishful thinking though.




I can't believe y'all have me talking about this again, dammit.

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm not sure that North Carolina moves anywhere without Duke. UNC is one of those schools where the basketball program wields the most power, and I'm not sure that the SEC would want Duke.

I mean, the SEC getting Duke would help them tremendously in basketball, because I think the rivalry between UK and Duke would just be, as the kids say, off the chain if you had them start meeting in conference games, particularly if the games are at Rupp Arena and Cameron Indoor Stadium, and not some bullshit neutral court thing. Dick Vitale would probably have another stroke about 10 minutes into the first game, which would be a bonus.

I'd throw a wild-card in here: how about if we're putting everything in the shuffle, Kentucky joins the ACC? The UK football program has shown improvement in recent years, but with that gauntlet o'death of having to play Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee every year, it's hard to see them ever winning enough to get into a BCS game. And it makes a hell of a lot more sense in basketball for them to be over there. Bring Louisville into the ACC with them, and you got a nice little package there. West Virginia also seems a good fit for the ACC.

I mean, if we're going to speculate here, let's get nuts.

[Fillmore Slim]

Now that Nebraska has left the Big 12 the other schools are leaving as well. Six schools rumored to leave for the Pac 10 have agreed to move out of the big 12.

Texas
Texas Tech
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Colorado

[El Mudo]

I could see the ACC raiding what's left of the Big East to remain one of the 16 school super-conferences that survives.

A lot of people seem to be looking at what schools are already within a conferences existing geographic region, to try to predict what might happen.

I don't think the SEC would gain much by adding, say, Ga Tech and Clemson, when they're already established in those areas. BUT... picking up Miami and Florida State, or North Carolina... now you're talking new geographic regions, and a massive stronghold on the talent rich state of Florida.

The only way to convince the current school presidents to vote for expansion is that it has to be in their intere$t. TV contracts are the driving factors. What new audience does this bring, and what exposure do their current schools get into those areas by playing those new teams?

The big player in this is Texas. Everyone is going to pursue them.

I think in the SEC's dreams, they'd want Miami, Florida State, Texas and Oklahoma.

That's a lot of wishful thinking though.




I can't believe y'all have me talking about this again, dammit.


Wouldn't the SEC want North Carolina AND Duke? They could just boot Vanderbilt and Duke becomes Vanderbilt, and with North Carolina, Duke, and Kentucky, they have three of the premiere basketball programs in the entire nation as a bonus.

[El Mudo]

I'm not sure that North Carolina moves anywhere without Duke. UNC is one of those schools where the basketball program wields the most power, and I'm not sure that the SEC would want Duke.

I mean, the SEC getting Duke would help them tremendously in basketball, because I think the rivalry between UK and Duke would just be, as the kids say, off the chain if you had them start meeting in conference games, particularly if the games are at Rupp Arena and Cameron Indoor Stadium, and not some bullshit neutral court thing. Dick Vitale would probably have another stroke about 10 minutes into the first game, which would be a bonus.

I'd throw a wild-card in here: how about if we're putting everything in the shuffle, Kentucky joins the ACC? The UK football program has shown improvement in recent years, but with that gauntlet o'death of having to play Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee every year, it's hard to see them ever winning enough to get into a BCS game. And it makes a hell of a lot more sense in basketball for them to be over there. Bring Louisville into the ACC with them, and you got a nice little package there. West Virginia also seems a good fit for the ACC.

I mean, if we're going to speculate here, let's get nuts.

Just as something random, I think Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, and West Virginia would all be great in the Big 10.

[ozzie]

Now that Nebraska has left the Big 12 the other schools are leaving as well. Six schools rumored to leave for the Pac 10 have agreed to move out of the big 12.

Texas
Texas Tech
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Colorado

The SEC won't sit by and let the Pac 10 make this move without a counter offer. This whole thing started with Texas wanting their own TV deal, and possibly their own "network". They're the jewel everyone is coveting, including the SEC.

It will probably come down to which conference will allow Texas to keep the most money, while taking their "cut". If the Pac 10 makes them the best offer, yeah, it could happen. The rest would just be along for the ride. But the problem now is that Texas is tired of sharing revenue equally with all of the other scrubs schools in the Big 12... they'll do what's in their best interest, and could give a shit if any other former Big 12 school goes with them.

The success of the Big 10 network is really what started this whole thing. Texas knows that they could carry almost as big an audience by themselves, and they want "Notre Dame" money.

Wouldn't the SEC want North Carolina AND Duke? They could just boot Vanderbilt and Duke becomes Vanderbilt, and with North Carolina, Duke, and Kentucky, they have three of the premiere basketball programs in the entire nation as a bonus.

Valid argument, and I wish all sports were considered, but let's face it, any re-alignment will be about football first. Getting two "up and coming" football schools from the exact same geographic region won't add the revenue they'd be looking for.

However, if the Pac 10 lauches the first missle, and locks up the bulk of the Big 12, including Texas, the SEC WILL match and be the next 16 team "super-conference", then the move will likely be through Florida and up the east coast, so yeah, it could happen too.

A lot of things could happen... and I can't believe I'm back to speculating again. How the hell do you keep pulling me into this?

[epo]

More speculation I guess but the ticker on ESPN this morning had a source from the Big 12 saying that it's all but done that Nebraska will announce it's move to the Big 10 by Friday.

We are taking whoever the fuck we want.

[Fillmore Slim]

The SEC won't sit by and let the Pac 10 make this move without a counter offer. This whole thing started with Texas wanting their own TV deal, and possibly their own "network". They're the jewel everyone is coveting, including the SEC.

It will probably come down to which conference will allow Texas to keep the most money, while taking their "cut". If the Pac 10 makes them the best offer, yeah, it could happen. The rest would just be along for the ride. But the problem now is that Texas is tired of sharing revenue equally with all of the other scrubs schools in the Big 12... they'll do what's in their best interest, and could give a shit if any other former Big 12 school goes with them.



From the way it was reported supposedly it's a done deal with the Pac 10. Once Nebraska made their decision official everything else fell right into place.

[Snoogans]

Awesome

Rutgers has yet to win a Big East title in football, but the Scarlet Knights can now claim a different kind of national championship.

The program achieved the top four-year Academic Progress Rate score among FBS teams, according to figures released by the NCAA Wednesday. The APR measures teams' ability to keep their athletes eligible, retained and moving toward graduation.

Rutgers APR score of 992 was the best ever posted by an FBS program, topping Stanford's 986 score in 2008. The Scarlet Knights’ four-year score covers the academic years of 2005-06, '06-07, '07-08 and '08-09. It's also the third consecutive year that the Rutgers football team was ranked in the top three nationally in multi-year APR rates, becoming the only public university to do so.

Here are the current multi-year Top Five APR scores:

1. Rutgers (992)
2. Air Force (988)
3. Rice (987)
4. Northwestern (986)
5. Duke (983)

[KnoxHarrington]

The SEC has reportedly approached Texas A&M about joining, should the Big 12 get shitcanned. They also have gotten some interest from the Pac-10.

There will be a meeting today to discuss the future of the Big 12. Judging from this quote, it doesn't sound all too hopeful:

"It's on life support," the source said of the Big 12. "But people have come off life support before."

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Finally, some actual reporting on what's going on (though with a dollop of speculation), not just ESPN "experts" talking out of their asses.

[razorboy]

Ahhhhhh, too funny. Rick Neuheisel is going to have a couple of great recruiting classes. (http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/09/sports/la-sp-usc-20100610)

[JimBeam]

Ahhhhhh, too funny. Rick Neuheisel is going to have a couple of great recruiting classes. (http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/09/sports/la-sp-usc-20100610)

I still want to know what the violations were.

If this ends up being because Bush and his family took money than I'm not gonna shit all over Carroll for that.

Sure you can argue that it was on his watch and all that but I don't know what he does there.

Say he found out that there were some improper things going on during that 13-0 season, solely w/ Bush, is he supposed to go the NCAA and admit it at the cost of screwing the other 100 or so other players on his team playing for something ?

Trust me I don't like any cheating and Bush should get anal sickle cell but I'm not ready to denounce the entire Carroll era because of this.

I think there are several levels of violations. You have the outright cheating where players are paid b, get free things etc from a representative of the school itself .... Then you have the improper contact, the steering from one school to another, etc .... Lastly you have the player himself who gets an agent, takes a free trip, etc ...

One of the arguments made about what Carroll should've known was that Bush's family lived in a nice house. OK sure he went to the original house to recruit the kid and maybe could see that they went from poor/modest to extravegant but to what point is/should any of that be his business ?

What if the dad won some illegal gambling, what if the mom came into money illegally, all without and connection to Reggie, how would Carroll and/or the school know where the money came from.

I'm a bit of a Carroll apologist I guess because I'm a fan of his and what he did there so I hope it doesn't come out that he did anything wrong directly other than failure to report some things.

[ozzie]

The USC football program will receive a two-year postseason ban, a reduction in scholarships and a forfeiture of wins from at least the 2004 season when the NCAA releases its sanctions on Thursday, a source told ESPN's Shelley Smith.

Auburn Tigers - 2004 National Champions!!!

[razorboy]

I still want to know what the violations were.

If this ends up being because Bush and his family took money than I'm not gonna shit all over Carroll for that.

Sure you can argue that it was on his watch and all that but I don't know what he does there.

Say he found out that there were some improper things going on during that 13-0 season, solely w/ Bush, is he supposed to go the NCAA and admit it at the cost of screwing the other 100 or so other players on his team playing for something ?

Trust me I don't like any cheating and Bush should get anal sickle cell but I'm not ready to denounce the entire Carroll era because of this.

I think there are several levels of violations. You have the outright cheating where players are paid b, get free things etc from a representative of the school itself .... Then you have the improper contact, the steering from one school to another, etc .... Lastly you have the player himself who gets an agent, takes a free trip, etc ...

One of the arguments made about what Carroll should've known was that Bush's family lived in a nice house. OK sure he went to the original house to recruit the kid and maybe could see that they went from poor/modest to extravegant but to what point is/should any of that be his business ?

What if the dad won some illegal gambling, what if the mom came into money illegally, all without and connection to Reggie, how would Carroll and/or the school know where the money came from.

I'm a bit of a Carroll apologist I guess because I'm a fan of his and what he did there so I hope it doesn't come out that he did anything wrong directly other than failure to report some things.

The whispers have been there since '01. They became deafening around '04. Obviously Tim Floyd didn't help matters, but I have a hard time believing Carroll deciding to bolt for the 'Hawks was purely coincidental.

[JimBeam]

They'd make more sense than Oklahoma.

How could the BCS consider giving it to them after they were destroyed ( shady player or not ) ?

I heard this morning, and I'm not sure if it was a joke, that Bush said if the Hiesman Committee calls they shouldn't expect him to answer.

Pretty funny coming from a douche bag.

[JimBeam]

The whispers have been there since '01. They became deafening around '04. Obviously Tim Floyd didn't help matters, but I have a hard time believing Carroll deciding to bolt for the 'Hawks was purely coincidental.

There's no doubt that he anticipated this ( I heard that he was expecting it to be a 1 year ban ) but I still want to know to how bad it all is.

Seems like 2 years is a lot for just the Bush thing.

In a way I kinda like that Kiffin's gonna get screwed because if the coaches were a part of the violations I'm sure he was knee deep in it plus he left some still unresolved issues at Tennessee.

[razorboy]

There's no doubt that he anticipated this ( I heard that he was expecting it to be a 1 year ban ) but I still want to know to how bad it all is.

Seems like 2 years is a lot for just the Bush thing.

In a way I kinda like that Kiffin's gonna get screwed because if the coaches were a part of the violations I'm sure he was knee deep in it plus he left some still unresolved issues at Tennessee.

It isn't just Bush. I've heard loads of rumors about about White and Griffen, and I've heard from more than a few of his former H.B. Plant teammates that Mike Williams had some extra "motivation".

[JimBeam]

If it turns out to be that bad I'll be disappointed.

What annoys me is how all the talking head morons this morning where asking " Where's the punishment for Bush and Carroll ? "

Yeah they're gonna be punished in their new, completely unrelated jobs for what they did 5 years ago in another place.

[El Mudo]

The SEC has reportedly approached Texas A&M about joining, should the Big 12 get shitcanned. They also have gotten some interest from the Pac-10.

There will be a meeting today to discuss the future of the Big 12. Judging from this quote, it doesn't sound all too hopeful:



Finally, some actual reporting on what's going on (though with a dollop of speculation), not just ESPN "experts" talking out of their asses.


From the stuff i've read, the State of Texas is real concerned with all their schools going to one place in a bloc, which is why some people think Baylor would get the nod to go to the PAC 10 over Colorado

[KnoxHarrington]

ESPN is reporting that Colorado will announce that they are joining the Pac-10 later today.

[El Mudo]

ESPN is reporting that Colorado will announce that they are joining the Pac-10 later today.

Poor Kansas. No one wants them, and if the Big 12 breaks up, its good night Irene.

[KnoxHarrington]

Poor Kansas. No one wants them, and if the Big 12 breaks up, its good night Irene.

Yeah, it looks like they're the ones going to get fucked hardest here.

I don't know if their football program is good enough to get SEC interest, though they'd be a perfect fit for basketball. They do strike me as a good fit for the Big East, but that makes absolutely no sense geographically, though that's never stopped any conference before (I mean, Texas isn't really on the Pacific either.)

[JimBeam]

... Baylor would get the nod to go to the PAC 10 over Colorado.

Word is Colorado was thinking about jumping ship to the PAC10 before this all came to a head and that they'll proceed with it regarless of whether or not the other schools follow.

I don't see the SEC wanting Kansas regardless of how good it's basketball is.

The points been made that it doesn't make sense geographically and can't imagine South Carolina or UF are gonna wanna fly to Lawrence KS for games.

The Big East is even more of a ridiculous idea geographically.

A good point raised this morning by Joe Schad was that the schools have to do what's best for all sports, not for the sake of money earned, but money spent on traveling.

So if Kansas joined the Big East their swim team, tennis team , etc ... would have to travel 2000 miles to compete.

On Mike & Mike they brought up the assinine discussion point of whether or not Kanas could survive as the " Notre Dame of basketball ".

That's not happening.

[El Mudo]

Word is Colorado was thinking about jumping ship to the PAC10 before this all came to a head and that they'll proceed with it regarless of whether or not the other schools follow.

I don't see the SEC wanting Kansas regardless of how good it's basketball is.

The points been made that it doesn't make sense geographically and can't imagine South Carolina or UF are gonna wanna fly to Lawrence KS for games.

The Big East is even more of a ridiculous idea geographically.

A good point raised this morning by Joe Schad was that the schools have to do what's best for all sports, not for the sake of money earned, but money spent on traveling.

So if Kansas joined the Big East their swim team, tennis team , etc ... would have to travel 2000 miles to compete.

On Mike & Mike they brought up the assinine discussion point of whether or not Kanas could survive as the " Notre Dame of basketball ".

That's not happening.


They'd have to join Conference USA and become the rich man's Memphis.

[KnoxHarrington]

Word is Colorado was thinking about jumping ship to the PAC10 before this all came to a head and that they'll proceed with it regarless of whether or not the other schools follow.

I don't see the SEC wanting Kansas regardless of how good it's basketball is.

The points been made that it doesn't make sense geographically and can't imagine South Carolina or UF are gonna wanna fly to Lawrence KS for games.

The Big East is even more of a ridiculous idea geographically.

A good point raised this morning by Joe Schad was that the schools have to do what's best for all sports, not for the sake of money earned, but money spent on traveling.

So if Kansas joined the Big East their swim team, tennis team , etc ... would have to travel 2000 miles to compete.

On Mike & Mike they brought up the assinine discussion point of whether or not Kanas could survive as the " Notre Dame of basketball ".

That's not happening.

Yeah, the discussion of this re-alignment so far seems to only be focusing on its impact on college football. Obviously, it's going to have major impacts on every other sport, and if we end up with these mega-conferences with teams thousands of miles apart, where does
that leave the non-revenue sports?

And why the hell were you listening to awful Mike & Mike? Neither of those guys knows shit about anything sports related.

[ozzie]

They'd make more sense than Oklahoma.

How could the BCS consider giving it to them after they were destroyed ( shady player or not ) ?

Screw Oklahoma! Don't forget, the OU 2004-2005 teams were cheaters too (http://www.gnextinc.com/ousoonersblog/2007/07/ncaa-lays-law-down-to-oklahoma-sooners.html)!

They didn't have to vacate all of their 2004 wins, but they did for 2005.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7OC0YbG2fek/SGyi7ExH1yI/AAAAAAAAGSw/X0WnfYKCvZY/s400/Auburn2004.jpg

[MagillaGorillaz]

Does this all mean that the Big Ten gets renamed as the Big 12. I could see Kansas and State going into a conference with schools like Boise State and Air Force.

[JimBeam]

Does this all mean that the Big Ten gets renamed as the Big 12.

Probably not because more than likely they're gonna add at least 2 more teams.

[Snoogans]

Probably not because more than likely they're gonna add at least 2 more teams.

Nebraska to 12, prob missouri to 13.

Then, especially with the news of Rutgers being number 1 academically, they will add rutgers to go to 14.

From there, My guess is one more big east school, either pitt, Cuse or UConn depending on what the big ten ultimately wants, and then one of the other big 12 fall outs, maybe Kansas.

Once that happens, the SEC will clean out the florida side of the ACC and the ACC will grab up the rest of the good big east schools, and we will end up with 4 major conferences, maybe 5 if the big 12 can somehow grab enough to regroup

[JimBeam]

I don't think Syracuse and UConn are big enough in football to make them attractive to the Big 10+2.

They both have good basketball programs and one has a historically decent football program ( Syracuse ) and the other is on a rise ( UConn ).

Pitt I think would make sense.

If the ACC's foundation starts to shake maybe a Boston College would look good to the Big 10+2.

[Snoogans]

I don't think Syracuse and UConn are big enough in football to make them attractive to the Big 10+2.

They both have good basketball programs and one has a historically decent football program ( Syracuse ) and the other is on a rise ( UConn ).

Pitt I think would make sense.

If the ACC's foundation starts to shake maybe a Boston College would look good to the Big 10+2.

I say UConn only cause its the NE market. Pitt doesnt expand much. And UConn is public

[El Mudo]

Nebraska to 12, prob missouri to 13.

Then, especially with the news of Rutgers being number 1 academically, they will add rutgers to go to 14.

From there, My guess is one more big east school, either pitt, Cuse or UConn depending on what the big ten ultimately wants, and then one of the other big 12 fall outs, maybe Kansas.

Once that happens, the SEC will clean out the florida side of the ACC and the ACC will grab up the rest of the good big east schools, and we will end up with 4 major conferences, maybe 5 if the big 12 can somehow grab enough to regroup


And that's when they finally recognize that they need a playoffs.

[SP1!]

Screw Oklahoma! Don't forget, the OU 2004-2005 teams were cheaters too (http://www.gnextinc.com/ousoonersblog/2007/07/ncaa-lays-law-down-to-oklahoma-sooners.html)!

They didn't have to vacate all of their 2004 wins, but they did for 2005.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7OC0YbG2fek/SGyi7ExH1yI/AAAAAAAAGSw/X0WnfYKCvZY/s400/Auburn2004.jpg
Well dont forget that auburn team all took classes with that sociology professor that gave good grades for classes that players like cadillac never attended, so who was in 4th place?


Im wondering who the SEC is going to pick up, where is OU and OkSU going? TT?

I also find it funny that the pac 10s lone NC winner is now being exposed as a cheater, I love how carroll is denying any knowledge of this when his coaches are named as being at the meeting of the agent/players. Then you read the boards and all the USC fans are saying they got treated unfairly, that bama and the SEC does 100X worse and gets a slap on the wrist. I hate bama but werent they fucked pretty hard for trying to by that memphis kid? No wining like pac 1-1 whining.

[epo]

I don't think Syracuse and UConn are big enough in football to make them attractive to the Big 10+2.

They both have good basketball programs and one has a historically decent football program ( Syracuse ) and the other is on a rise ( UConn ).

Pitt I think would make sense.

If the ACC's foundation starts to shake maybe a Boston College would look good to the Big 10+2.

The Big Ten has two major factors for new schools:

1. Television markets. Their Big Ten Network is a major revenue generator.
2. Academics. They expect schools to have real academics programs and results.

Obviously athletics are important, and public institutions will be preferrable (unless you are Notre Dame).

[El Mudo]

Not good news for Ozzie:

USC beat Oklahoma in the BCS title game on Jan. 4, 2005, and won 12 games during Bush's Heisman-winning 2005 season, which ended with a loss to Texas in the 2006 BCS title game.

The BCS is likely to force Southern California to vacate its national championship. BCS executive director Bill Hancock says in a statement Thursday that the presidential oversight committee will meet soon to discuss whether USC will be stripped of its title.

If that happens, there will be no BCS champion for the 2004-05 season. Hancock said no action would be taken by the BCS until the appeal is heard.

[KnoxHarrington]

I am also curious about how the SEC responds to this, and, in turn, how the ACC responds to what the SEC does. It's a chain reaction, and it's going to take a while to sort out.

My guess is we end up with only 4 major football conferences, each with 16 teams: the Pac-10, the Big Ten, the SEC, and the ACC. The conferences that are going to end up screwed the hardest by this will be the Big 12, which I think will cease to exist, and the Big East, who will probably be the conference the SEC and/or ACC raid to get themselves up to 16 teams.

It was mentioned upthread that this pretty much paves the way for a playoff, and I agree. What we'll probably end up with is a system where the 4 conference champs meet in a sort of "and-one" thing. Which means that the mid-major type programs, like Boise State and TCU, are fucked.

Which brings me to what I think is the larger point of all this. The BCS was designed to keep bowl money in the hands of the big conferences. It's failed, because teams like Boise State and TCU keep finding their way into it and syphoning off some of that sweet sweet cash. I think the larger point of all this is to come up with a system that shuts them out entirely.

Of course, it'll all be spun as what's best for the "student-athletes", which is horseshit.

[El Mudo]

I am also curious about how the SEC responds to this, and, in turn, how the ACC responds to what the SEC does. It's a chain reaction, and it's going to take a while to sort out.

My guess is we end up with only 4 major football conferences, each with 16 teams: the Pac-10, the Big Ten, the SEC, and the ACC. The conferences that are going to end up screwed the hardest by this will be the Big 12, which I think will cease to exist, and the Big East, who will probably be the conference the SEC and/or ACC raid to get themselves up to 16 teams.

It was mentioned upthread that this pretty much paves the way for a playoff, and I agree. What we'll probably end up with is a system where the 4 conference champs meet in a sort of "and-one" thing. Which means that the mid-major type programs, like Boise State and TCU, are fucked.

Which brings me to what I think is the larger point of all this. The BCS was designed to keep bowl money in the hands of the big conferences. It's failed, because teams like Boise State and TCU keep finding their way into it and syphoning off some of that sweet sweet cash. I think the larger point of all this is to come up with a system that shuts them out entirely.

Of course, it'll all be spun as what's best for the "student-athletes", which is horseshit.

I completely agree. Its akin to what they're doing by expanding the basketball tournament, which is only to get more BCS Conference teams into it, which means we'll be seeing more 6-10 ACC teams instead of 15-1 mid major teams that are really good.

Speaking of TCU, y'know Dallas/Fort Worth really isn't all that far away from SEC country....

[JimBeam]

I also find it funny that the pac 10s lone NC winner is now being exposed as a cheater,

Actually Washington won a share of a title back in '91 unless you were meaning recent history.

I hate bama but werent they fucked pretty hard for trying to by that memphis kid?

I still haven read complete claims/charges but per my point yesterday BUYING a player and trying to get him to come to your school is 100000 times worse than a player having an agent even if a coach was there.

The Bama thing was a complete mess and had much nastier smell than any of this.

The Big Ten has two major factors for new schools:

1. Television markets. Their Big Ten Network is a major revenue generator.
2. Academics. They expect schools to have real academics programs and results.

Again keep in mind that this is ALL about football. While basketball might be a big part of the schools'/conference's revenue this deal is centered on football.

[epo]

Again keep in mind that this is ALL about football. While basketball might be a big part of the schools'/conference's revenue this deal is centered on football.

Actually for the Big Ten its about television markets while keeping the claim of "academic institution".

Take for instance their reported interest in Missouri. Its a mediocre football team, but St. Louis is the 21st largest TV market and is a good academic school.

Athletics do matter, but that TV market is the first criteria.

[ozzie]

Well dont forget that auburn team all took classes with that sociology professor that gave good grades for classes that players like cadillac never attended, so who was in 4th place?

A little different situation there. It wasn't "all" players, and it wasn't classES, and most of the students that did take that ONE class (including Carnell), had already graduated.

Not good news for Ozzie:

I'm just busting balls. I don't really care.

No one, besides Bammer fans, want a mythical National title awarded to them posthumously. (See 3 of Bama's claimed titles from 1930, 1934 & 1941)

It still stings that AU's three best teams in my lifetime, 1983, 1993 and 2004, never got a shot at a MNC, but I'm just kidding about claiming 2004.

[JimBeam]

Take for instance their reported interest in Missouri. Its a mediocre football team, but St. Louis is the 21st largest TV market and is a good academic school.

I heard somebody on Rivals yesterday say that Missouri was 8th in the Big 12 w/ regards to sports ( maybe more particular to football ) viewers.

So them being a great TV market for Lost and Dancing With The Stars may not help the Big 11+1+? with regards to sports.

[OleBullNuts]

i cant wait til rutgers goes to the big ten and beats that sweater vested flame

This may be one of the dumbest things ever posted on this board. Rutgers sucks Ohio State's dick in perpetuity.

[El Mudo]

I heard somebody on Rivals yesterday say that Missouri was 8th in the Big 12 w/ regards to sports ( maybe more particular to football ) viewers.

So them being a great TV market for Lost and Dancing With The Stars may not help the Big 11+1+? with regards to sports.

The Big 10 Network made 66 million in profits last year for its member schools, in addition to the 60 million they already got for the rights fees (http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/92558764.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUvDE7aL_V_BD77:Dii UiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU)

That's an awful lot of money. Now consider what they would make if they become a Mega Conference? For that, they need big schools, which Missouri is (public school with 30k students and an 800 million+ endowment)

[JimBeam]

Yes but the Big 10 is a big money maker now but if what I hear about Missouri is correct than they aren't gonna be adding that much more.

Granted more is always better than less but it's not like Missouri is gonna boost them another $10 million.

The Big 10 Network will be great for Missouri, as they'd get a share of the profits, but how much do they help the Big 10 Network ?

[El Mudo]

Yes but the Big 10 is a big money maker now but if what I hear about Missouri is correct than they aren't gonna be adding that much more.

Granted more is always better than less but it's not like Missouri is gonna boost them another $10 million.

The Big 10 Network will be great for Missouri, as they'd get a share of the profits, but how much do they help the Big 10 Network ?

Because its not just about adding Missouri singly, but adding them in concert with other schools, like Nebraska and whomever else they take. If they become a 16 team "mega conference" or even a 14 team league, that's still going to generate an absolute assload of money, and on top of that, its not even figuring in all the cash they'll make off a conference tournament game (which they will get with or without Missouri, since they now have 12 teams).

[El Mudo]

Boise State is moving to the Mountain West. (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5276064)


Boise/TCU matchups every year? Tits!

[SP1!]

I am also curious about how the SEC responds to this, and, in turn, how the ACC responds to what the SEC does. It's a chain reaction, and it's going to take a while to sort out.

My guess is we end up with only 4 major football conferences, each with 16 teams: the Pac-10, the Big Ten, the SEC, and the ACC. The conferences that are going to end up screwed the hardest by this will be the Big 12, which I think will cease to exist, and the Big East, who will probably be the conference the SEC and/or ACC raid to get themselves up to 16 teams.

It was mentioned upthread that this pretty much paves the way for a playoff, and I agree. What we'll probably end up with is a system where the 4 conference champs meet in a sort of "and-one" thing. Which means that the mid-major type programs, like Boise State and TCU, are fucked.

Which brings me to what I think is the larger point of all this. The BCS was designed to keep bowl money in the hands of the big conferences. It's failed, because teams like Boise State and TCU keep finding their way into it and syphoning off some of that sweet sweet cash. I think the larger point of all this is to come up with a system that shuts them out entirely.

Of course, it'll all be spun as what's best for the "student-athletes", which is horseshit.

I think this was the big 10 and pac 10 fucking the rest of college football, for all the hate people lump on the SEC they were the one of the two conferences that supported a +1 format to decide a NC. The big 10/pac 10 got all the other conferences to say no thinking long term that the some conferences would have issues that hadnt been around as long and they were right, they essentially busted the big 12 and now hope to scoop up the ashes then tell the big east teams "either you come with us or you get nothing" They played this "tradition" bullshit to the hilt and now they are being greedy with it, I hope UT/TA&M/TT/OU all join the SEC just to fuck them all.

One rumor has UT/TA&M going to the SEC west with bama/auburn coming to the SEC east, another has FSU/miami/VT leaving the ACC to the SEC, Im pretty sure the ACC is going to get fucked in this as well since they arent strong in football. Another has OU/OkSt coming to the SEC which would still be huge, especially if they raid florida to get FSU/miami.

There is also talk of Utah or boise going to the pac 10 then leaving the MWC or WAC to pick up the scrubs of the big 12, I hope utah/bsu does go to the pac 10 then let them finish with 2-3 losses a year to see what happens when you play a full schedule of top tier teams.

Over all it looks like it will be an interesting summer.

[El Mudo]

I think this was the big 10 and pac 10 fucking the rest of college football, for all the hate people lump on the SEC they were the one of the two conferences that supported a +1 format to decide a NC. The big 10/pac 10 got all the other conferences to say no thinking long term that the some conferences would have issues that hadnt been around as long and they were right, they essentially busted the big 12 and now hope to scoop up the ashes then tell the big east teams "either you come with us or you get nothing" They played this "tradition" bullshit to the hilt and now they are being greedy with it, I hope UT/TA&M/TT/OU all join the SEC just to fuck them all.

One rumor has UT/TA&M going to the SEC west with bama/auburn coming to the SEC east, another has FSU/miami/VT leaving the ACC to the SEC, Im pretty sure the ACC is going to get fucked in this as well since they arent strong in football. Another has OU/OkSt coming to the SEC which would still be huge, especially if they raid florida to get FSU/miami.

There is also talk of Utah or boise going to the pac 10 then leaving the MWC or WAC to pick up the scrubs of the big 12, I hope utah/bsu does go to the pac 10 then let them finish with 2-3 losses a year to see what happens when you play a full schedule of top tier teams.

Over all it looks like it will be an interesting summer.


Boise announced today they've moved to the Mountain West.

[SP1!]

Boise State is moving to the Mountain West. (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5276064)


Boise/TCU matchups every year? Tits!
WOW didnt see that coming, I guess the wac is going to go in the shitter as well and if the MWC adds KU/KSU/TT/baylor they could be a legitimate conference

[JimBeam]

Another has OU/OkSt coming to the SEC...

Discussed enough here already but I hate the idea geographically.

One of the things they mentioned this morning was that the PAC10 has kinda stolen the Big 10's momentum concerning conference realignment.

That if they do add the 5 other teams from the former Big 12 it'll be much larger than adding Nebraska and anybody else.

They said that at that point only getting Notre Dame would make it a success.

That's just 1 guys opinion but it kinda does make sense.

[JimBeam]

You figured the loser politicians would want to get involved.

Perfect: Congress may act if Big 12 implodes

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/09/perfect-congress-may-act-if-big-12-implodes/

These are misleading as far as describing overall Big 12 football watching becasue the lower tier bowl games have inconvenient dates for viewing and rarely have great match-ups. What it does show is that a move of Texas to either the PAC10 or the SEC would be as big a move as any could make pertaining to football viewing.

Big 12 has highest, lowest ratings of 34 bowl games

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/9590/big-12-posts-highest-lowest-ratings-of-34-bowl-games

[SP1!]

Discussed enough here already but I hate the idea geographically.

One of the things they mentioned this morning was that the PAC10 has kinda stolen the Big 10's momentum concerning conference realignment.

That if they do add the 5 other teams from the former Big 12 it'll be much larger than adding Nebraska and anybody else.

They said that at that point only getting Notre Dame would make it a success.

That's just 1 guys opinion but it kinda does make sense.
A lot of texas public officials are after them to join the SEC and if they do add more than one team there is a provision that the SEC can renegotiate their deal which would mean more money.

[JimBeam]

Latest update I saw was that Oklahoma & Oklahoma St might make the announcement about a move to the PAC10 by Tuesday.

Texas A&M is considering SEC options.

They said that a few of the Texas schools ( not sure which ones exactly ) are meeting individually next week to weigh their options.

[Snoogans]

Latest update I saw was that Oklahoma & Oklahoma St might make the announcement about a move to the PAC10 by Tuesday.

Texas A&M is considering SEC options.

They said that a few of the Texas schools ( not sure which ones exactly ) are meeting individually next week to weigh their options.

i heard texas, tech, ok and ok state are gonna go

[JimBeam]

If A&M somehow went to the SEC and the other 5 went to the PAC10 who would be the 6th team for the PAC10 ?

Would they consider a Colorado St to go along w/ the way they like to pair their schools.

Washington/Washington St
Arizona/Arizona St
Oregon/Oregon St
USC/UCLA
Stanford/Cal

Would make it nice and neat although I doubt it's an option.

[Suspect Chin]

I don't follow college sports much and I'm too lazy to read up on it, but what caused all this conference shake up to begin with?

[Snoogans]

id say 6 is prob Utah if they dont get AM

[JimBeam]

I don't follow college sports much and I'm too lazy to read up on it, but what caused all this conference shake up to begin with?

It's anybody's guess but more than likely it was all about money.

For some it was about the chance for a conference network, a chance for a conference title game ( 12 teams or more needed ) and I think in some way it validates them.

The PAC10 could be considered kind of a joke outside of a few schools so adding big boys like Texas and Oklahoma goes a long way with regards to making them respectable.

[Suspect Chin]

It's anybody's guess but more than likely it was all about money.

For some it was about the chance for a conference network, a chance for a conference title game ( 12 teams or more needed ) and I think in some way it validates them.

The PAC10 could be considered kind of a joke outside of a few schools so adding big boys like Texas and Oklahoma goes a long way with regards to making them respectable.

Interesting that all the changes are happening at once. Domino effect I guess.

[Snoogans]

Interesting that all the changes are happening at once. Domino effect I guess.

well more proactive. Big Ten announced they were considering it, then all of a sudden the pac 10 did it. Now its all gonna go off

[JimBeam]

More of a keeping up kinda thing.

If you consider the SEC to be the best conference, which many do, then the Big 10 and PAC10 want to keep as much pace as they can.

The Big 10 probably started the ball rolling and the PAC10 decided they weren't gonna sit around and watch it all happen.

The SEC probably doesn't need to make any moves but might if the right situation arises.

From there it does become a domino thing.

If the SEC steals some ACC teams, then the ACC will steal from the Big East & Conference USA, so on and so on.

[weekapaugjz]

nebraska to big 10 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5276551)

[JimBeam]

This guy might've been ahead of his time.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/08/01/cfb.bag/index.html

[SP1!]

i heard texas, tech, ok and ok state are gonna go
OU has came out publicly stating they have not decided to move as of yet and they were exploring all options with the pac 10 being the least attractive for them, seems someone from the SEC has gotten to them since the SEC's first choice was texas/a&m but they would even take OU/a&m.

A&M has come out feeling like people will just think they will do whatever texas does and now is the time to break off from them and it makes sense that they would go SEC since gene stallings is a big part of their program now.

id say 6 is prob Utah if they dont get AM
They have already announced them over kansas, but what happens if OU decides to go SEC as well? Do they take BSU/TCU/KU?

[spoon]

seriously, wtf is going on!

sum it all up for me bc it's bordering on insanse changes now

:help:

[epo]

Discussed enough here already but I hate the idea geographically.

One of the things they mentioned this morning was that the PAC10 has kinda stolen the Big 10's momentum concerning conference realignment.

That if they do add the 5 other teams from the former Big 12 it'll be much larger than adding Nebraska and anybody else.

They said that at that point only getting Notre Dame would make it a success.

That's just 1 guys opinion but it kinda does make sense.

That's the dumbest thing I've read all day.

[SP1!]

seriously, wtf is going on!

sum it all up for me bc it's bordering on insanse changes now

:help:
According to sources A&M and OU has said no to the pac 10 which means one of 2 things have happened:

1) OU and A&M are headed to the SEC, with Texas, TT, OkST, Utah headed to the pac 10


2) the big 12 is going to stay together for at least another year

Its all really confusing and right now with the big 12 losing two teams could they just invite two more from the WAC? Or MWC?

When its all boiled down its about money, the big 10 and pac 10 fought the +1 system proposed for so long(giving a slight playoff) that now they are just going to steal the big 12 since they really dont have a lot of money coming in outside of texas in terms of TV market share. But they have good programs that other conferences would like to expand into to get that Dallas/Houston area money.

It also appears that if the big 12 would have went along with the +1 system when proposed by the SEC and ACC they would have had more clout than they currently have, the big 12 commissioner got played and now the big 10 and pac 10 want to scrape up the pieces.

[El Mudo]

I don't follow college sports much and I'm too lazy to read up on it, but what caused all this conference shake up to begin with?


In short, money. The Big 10 network made so much money for its schools last year (66 million in profits on top of 60 million for the rights fees) that every one else wants their own network. Not to mention their own Championship Games, and when they consolidate all the BCS Schools into 4 Giant Conferences, they'll be able to make billions off a Playoffs.

[SP1!]

In short, money. The Big 10 network made so much money for its schools last year (66 million in profits on top of 60 million for the rights fees) that every one else wants their own network. Not to mention their own Championship Games, and when they consolidate all the BCS Schools into 4 Giant Conferences, they'll be able to make billions off a Playoffs.

The bigger reason is that the other conferences are scared, the SEC is still dwarfing them in money coming in, last year alone they paid each school $17.5 million from the TV deal alone, thats to each school not to the conference which made even more money from the rights and ads. The pac 10 saw what the SEC/big 10 were doing and would have trouble matching them in terms of a TV deal since the only big draw they have is USC, so they went against the +1 deal the SEC/ACC proposed since they saw the big 12 in a weak position with no big TV deal and barely able to pay out $10 million to their conference winners. Somehow they are promising to pay out $17-20 million per team if they stay, Im not sure how they plan on being able to afford that.

I still think with all the uncertainty and the weak big 12 commissioner that they will end up leaving but I dont see A&M going to the pac 10, they seem to be fed up with taking texas's scraps and want to branch out on their own. In the end, if they do go to the SEC it will hurt texas more since they will lose a strong(though not always great) match up.

I think in all honesty the SEC wants the big 12 to stay the way they are but they would gladly take A&M/OU if they decided to leave and it would keep texas out in the cold with their weaker schedule that always seems to come back and haunt USC if they dont go undefeated.(see 2004 AP only champ)

[JimBeam]

That's the dumbest thing I've read all day.

Dude you can hate on Notre Dame all you want but if you don't see that from a football perspective, no matter how good they are, they are the only program w/ a true, consistent national following.

You think NBC would ever offer Texas a contact for all of their home games ?

It'd never happen.

So any conference that could land them gets all of the real and psuedo subway alumni.

[SP1!]

Dude you can hate on Notre Dame all you want but if you don't see that from a football perspective, no matter how good they are, they are the only program w/ a true, consistent national following.

You think NBC would ever offer Texas a contact for all of their home games ?

It'd never happen.

So any conference that could land them gets all of the real and psuedo subway alumni.

epo like to think he knows what hes talking about, all you have to do is look at the TV numbers, even when they have been shitty or just average ND has gotten a huge TV audience, the BCS game they played is one of the highest rated BCS games(outside of the NC game) even though it wasnt a great game.

Its all because whether ND haters like to admit it or not, they are a huge fucking draw.

And its looking more and more like the big 12 has shot itself in the foot to save the conference, it may limp along for a few more years but it will still implode since their commissioner is essentially giving texas everything to keep them where they are.

Oh but one point, supposedly according to rumors Texas was NBC's first choice but that was when they were better, texas had to turn them down so ND got the nod. It seems crazy but they thought texas would draw better but with all the catholics it seems like a no brainer for the worldwide audience.

[JimBeam]

But was Texas that good when the contract was 1st signed ?

That was back when ND was in it's modern glory ( despite only the 1 title ) and had all of that history with it.

Texas hadn't won a title since '69 and I don't think was a legit ( based on who became the eventual champ ) title contender during that time.

Not saying you're wrong but at that time I think an Alabama or an Oklahoma would've been a bigger choice than Texas.

[SP1!]

I will look for the article but at one time texas was huge

[JimBeam]

Wow so that whole PAC10 thing fizzled fairly quickly huh ?

I love how A&M wasn't gonna go along " just because Texas did it " and yet they did just that.

Not only did they bow to what big brother did they also gave them 3/4 of their lunch money.

The NCAA better not change the rule and allow the " Big 12 Now The Not As Big 10 " to have a conference title game w/ less than 12 teams.

[Rhah]

All they Big 12 teams complained about how Texas has too much power and influence and now it has even more.

Also, I don't understand how when the initial talk about Big 10 getting Texas started, they said they would never be able to go without A&M and Texas legislators wouldn't allow it either. However, the latest rumors before Big 12 saved itself were that A&M was going to go to the SEC while Texas to Pac-10... so how does that make sense?

[JimBeam]

All they Big 12 teams complained about how Texas has too much power and influence and now it has even more.

Also, I don't understand how when the initial talk about Big 10 getting Texas started, they said they would never be able to go without A&M and Texas legislators wouldn't allow it either. However, the latest rumors before Big 12 saved itself were that A&M was going to go to the SEC while Texas to Pac-10... so how does that make sense?

That might of been more of a thing if A&M was wanted elsewhere.

Like if the SEC said it was uninterested in A&M and then they'd have nowhere to go.

In that case they would wanna keep the 2 together.

[KnoxHarrington]

All they Big 12 teams complained about how Texas has too much power and influence and now it has even more.

Also, I don't understand how when the initial talk about Big 10 getting Texas started, they said they would never be able to go without A&M and Texas legislators wouldn't allow it either. However, the latest rumors before Big 12 saved itself were that A&M was going to go to the SEC while Texas to Pac-10... so how does that make sense?

I just can't see the Big 12 Minus Two or whatever the hell they call it now, since the Big Ten has 12 members now and the Big 12 has 10, lasting very long for that reason: they gave up way too much to Texas to hold it together. It'll be a source of dissent and resentment for the other teams, who might still be receptive to offers on down the line.

It does seem like we've got our conference alignments set for next season, but I don't know how long that'll hold after that.

[Snoogans]

I just can't see the Big 12 Minus Two or whatever the hell they call it now, since the Big Ten has 12 members now and the Big 12 has 10, lasting very long for that reason: they gave up way too much to Texas to hold it together. It'll be a source of dissent and resentment for the other teams, who might still be receptive to offers on down the line.

It does seem like we've got our conference alignments set for next season, but I don't know how long that'll hold after that.

the other schools are still gettin alot of money.

I wont be surprised if down the line they go callin for TCU and someone else to get back to 12

[JimBeam]

the other schools are still gettin alot of money.

I wont be surprised if down the line they go callin for TCU and someone else to get back to 12

I think they have to in order to get a conference title game since currently 12 are needed.

Now as I mentioned earlier there's been some talk about them Former Big 12 asking the NCAA to lift that rule but I think if they do they'll be a lot of bitching because both the PAC10 and Big 10 started adding teams with the hopes of adding this type of game.

The Former Big 12 is also saying they don't think they need a conference title game since all teams will play each other.

I hope that the PAC10 can really get better with the addition of 2 new teams because I'd love to see the Former Big 12 get shuotout of a BCS title game due to a lack of strenght of schedule usually aided by a conference title game win.

[Snoogans]

I think they have to in order to get a conference title game since currently 12 are needed.

Now as I mentioned earlier there's been some talk about them Former Big 12 asking the NCAA to lift that rule but I think if they do they'll be a lot of bitching because both the PAC10 and Big 10 started adding teams with the hopes of adding this type of game.

The Former Big 12 is also saying they don't think they need a conference title game since all teams will play each other.

I hope that the PAC10 can really get better with the addition of 2 new teams because I'd love to see the Former Big 12 get shuotout of a BCS title game due to a lack of strenght of schedule usually aided by a conference title game win.

right now they said they are gonna keep it 10 so that the profits are cut less ways. All the networks and everything agreed to honor the current TV deals, etc. So i figure they will stay 10 as long as those deals run and cash grab, and as they are coming to an end, they will grab TCU. im not sure who they will go for as a 12th school, I dont think Boise is a good option but it may be the only major one left

[JimBeam]

I'm not sure Boise can waffle now that they announced going to the MWC but who knows.

[Snoogans]

I'm not sure Boise can waffle now that they announced going to the MWC but who knows.

i think the deals arent up til 14. If TCU goes from the MWC then Boise can prob go right with them

[SP1!]

Nobody mentioning the Tennessee bar brawl from last week?

Coach seems to be suspending only mid level guys not the start incoming freshmen that deserve to be gone as well, new UT boss, same as the old boss. They are rapidly turning into the new Thug U.

[JimBeam]

I was reading up on the story and it makes me sick.

Hopefully these losers will get the worst penalties.

I like how Jesse Jackson was silent on this little sports thing but had so much to say about others.

[JimBeam]

I heard on Mad Dog Radio this morning that the Big 10 was thinking of having their initial title game in Lucas Oil but the Green Bay Packer approached them about using Lambeu Field.

[CountryBob]

If they stay healthy - look out for the Va Tech Hokies. Should be the best offensive attack they have ever had.

[JimBeam]

Texas, Notre Dame to play

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5440424

"We are so excited we were able to schedule a four-game series with Notre Dame," Texas coach Mack Brown said in a statement. "I love college football history and nobody has more historical programs than Texas and Notre Dame.

Does he really think Texas is a Top 2 program historically ?

With 2 championships in almost 50 years.

[Snoogans]

Does he really think Texas is a Top 2 program historically ?

With 2 championships in almost 50 years.

if you are going by the entire history of college football, fuckin army and navy probably have better histories than Texas

[CountryBob]

Damn - I dont think I can wait any longer. I need college football now!

[Snoogans]

Damn - I dont think I can wait any longer. I need college football now!

ive been so hurtin for it ive just been play NCAA 11 constantly. its gonna piss me off so much when D'Antwan Williams doesnt run for 1500 yards this year like he did in my game though

[ozzie]

I've got my tickets ordered, and Hotel room booked for AU's opener again this year.

Front row, Upper deck, 20 yd line, right above the student section again. Last year we got buzzed by the Eagle during the pre-game flight in front row seats one section over. The kids loved it! My chick was so shocked when it looked like he was coming right for us, that she screamed and stopped the video. Otherwise, I'd post it on youtube.

Only downside is that I'll miss LSU vs North Carolina that night.

Next game is a Thursday Night game @ Mississippi State (7:30 p.m. ESPN) . I've ever been to Starkville, but am looking for tickets to that one too.

Boise State has Va Tech on Monday (Labor Day - 9/6) night (Landover, MD, 8:00 p.m. ESPN). If they survive that one, we can only hope for Oregon State to take them out on 9/25. Otherwise, their schedule is nothing after that, and they could be playing for the MNC this year.

Oh, and the Pre-Season Coaches Poll is Out. (http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings)

Bama is the overwhelming #1 pick. Auburn made the top-25, but there are 3 other SEC West teams ranked ahead of them (Bama, LSU and Arkansas), and two other SEC East teams ahead of them too. (Florida, Georgia).

USA Today Poll

RK TEAM (#1 Votes) PTS

1 - Alabama (55) 1469
2 - Ohio State (4) 1392
3 - Florida 1245
4 - Texas 1240
5 - Boise State 1215
6 - Virginia Tech 1052
7 - TCU 1051
8 - Oklahoma 1035
9 - Nebraska 1001
10 - Iowa 952
11 - Oregon 940
12 - Wisconsin 778
13 - Miami (FL) 728
14 - Penn State 508
15 - Pittsburgh 492
16 - LSU 476
17 - Georgia Tech 455
18 - North Carolina 445
19 - Arkansas 438
20 - Florida State 374
21 - Georgia 312
22 - Oregon State 263
23 - Auburn 260
24 - Utah 169
24 - West Virginia 169

Others receiving votes: Cincinnati 135, Houston 76, Brigham Young 66, Arizona 65, Mississippi 48, Clemson 44, Stanford 41, Connecticut 40, Notre Dame 38, South Carolina 38, Washington 26, Missouri 23, Navy 12, Oklahoma State 11, Boston College 10, Michigan State 10, Arizona State 6, California 6, Texas Tech 5, South Florida 4, Texas A&M 3, Temple 2, Northwestern 2, Mississippi State 1, Nevada 1, Northern Illinois 1, Central Michigan 1, Southern Methodist 1.

No love from the Coaches for Rutgers, yet.

[ozzie]

Damn, I just noticed that Duke didn't receive a vote!

I guess Spurrier has ended his tradition of voting Duke into his pre-season top-25 every year.

[ozzie]

I thought for a minute that Spurrier might not have a vote this year, but he's still on the list:

The USA TODAY Board of Coaches is made up of 59 head coaches at Division I-A institutions. All are members of the American Football Coaches Association. The board for the 2010 season:

Robb Akey, Idaho
David Bailiff, Rice
Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech
Tim Beckman, Toledo
Todd Berry, Louisiana-Monroe
Bret Bielema, Wisconsin
Art Briles, Baylor
Dave Christensen, Wyoming
David Cutcliffe, Duke
Mark Dantonio, Michigan State
Todd Dodge, North Texas
Sonny Dykes, Louisiana Tech
Dan Enos, Central Michigan
Steve Fairchild, Colorado State
Larry Fedora, Southern Miss
Jimbo Fisher, Florida State
Al Golden, Temple
Jim Grobe, Wake Forest
Jim Harbaugh, Stanford
Mike Haywood, Miami (Ohio)
Butch Jones, Cincinnati
Brian Kelly, Notre Dame
Jerry Kill, Northern Illinois
Mike Locksley, New Mexico
Mike London, Virginia
Bill Lynch, Indiana
Mike MacIntyre, San Jose State
Doug Marrone, Syracuse
Urban Meyer, Florida
Dan Mullen, Mississippi State
Ken Niumatalolo, Navy
Tom O'Brien, North Carolina State
George O'Leary, Central Florida
Bo Pelini, Nebraska
Chris Petersen, Boise State
Bobby Petrino, Arkansas
Gary Pinkel, Missouri
Larry Porter, Memphis
Jeff Quinn, Buffalo
Paul Rhoads, Iowa State
Mark Richt, Georgia
Mike Riley, Oregon State
Rich Rodriguez, Michigan
Nick Saban, Alabama
Steve Sarkisian, Washington
Greg Schiano, Rutgers
Howard Schnellenberger, Florida Atlantic
Mike Sherman, Texas A&M
Steve Spurrier, South Carolina
Rick Stockstill, Middle Tennessee
Mike Stoops, Arizona
Charlie Strong, Louisville
Kevin Sumlin, Houston
Bob Toledo, Tulane
Jim Tressel, Ohio State
Tommy Tuberville, Texas Tech
Kyle Whittingham, Utah
Paul Wulff, Washington State
Ron Zook, Illinois

[Snoogans]

I've got my tickets ordered, and Hotel room booked for AU's opener again this year.

Front row, Upper deck, 20 yd line, right above the student section again. Last year we got buzzed by the Eagle during the pre-game flight in front row seats one section over. The kids loved it! My chick was so shocked when it looked like he was coming right for us, that she screamed and stopped the video. Otherwise, I'd post it on youtube.

Only downside is that I'll miss LSU vs North Carolina that night.

Next game is a Thursday Night game @ Mississippi State (7:30 p.m. ESPN) . I've ever been to Starkville, but am looking for tickets to that one too.

Boise State has Va Tech on Monday (Labor Day - 9/6) night (Landover, MD, 8:00 p.m. ESPN). If they survive that one, we can only hope for Oregon State to take them out on 9/25. Otherwise, their schedule is nothing after that, and they could be playing for the MNC this year.

Oh, and the Pre-Season Coaches Poll is Out. (http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings)

Bama is the overwhelming #1 pick. Auburn made the top-25, but there are 3 other SEC West teams ranked ahead of them (Bama, LSU and Arkansas), and two other SEC East teams ahead of them too. (Florida, Georgia).

USA Today Poll

RK TEAM (#1 Votes) PTS

1 - Alabama (55) 1469
2 - Ohio State (4) 1392
3 - Florida 1245
4 - Texas 1240
5 - Boise State 1215
6 - Virginia Tech 1052
7 - TCU 1051
8 - Oklahoma 1035
9 - Nebraska 1001
10 - Iowa 952
11 - Oregon 940
12 - Wisconsin 778
13 - Miami (FL) 728
14 - Penn State 508
15 - Pittsburgh 492
16 - LSU 476
17 - Georgia Tech 455
18 - North Carolina 445
19 - Arkansas 438
20 - Florida State 374
21 - Georgia 312
22 - Oregon State 263
23 - Auburn 260
24 - Utah 169
24 - West Virginia 169

Others receiving votes: Cincinnati 135, Houston 76, Brigham Young 66, Arizona 65, Mississippi 48, Clemson 44, Stanford 41, Connecticut 40, Notre Dame 38, South Carolina 38, Washington 26, Missouri 23, Navy 12, Oklahoma State 11, Boston College 10, Michigan State 10, Arizona State 6, California 6, Texas Tech 5, South Florida 4, Texas A&M 3, Temple 2, Northwestern 2, Mississippi State 1, Nevada 1, Northern Illinois 1, Central Michigan 1, Southern Methodist 1.

No love from the Coaches for Rutgers, yet.

i expected that their wouldnt be any votes. some of the teams that got votes have me a little confused but none the less, Rutgers is too young and have too many unproven guys. I think they have them as 5th in just the big east. Im fine with it though. they have the talent to do something special but next year is lining up more as their year once alot of these Frosh and sophs get a bit more experience. Schedule is pretty easy though so maybe they can make a run

[Snoogans]

seriously though. rutgers gets zero votes but temple gets 2? Can we fuckin stop this nonsense? When did UConn get that much better. Why do all these polls always hate Rutgers?

[SP1!]

I was reading up on the story and it makes me sick.

Hopefully these losers will get the worst penalties.
The funny thing is most of the suspensions were dropped or shortened and now after all the furor has died down most of the charges are dropped, these fucking thugs beat a cop unconscious and they didnt even face charges. The people who support tenneessee should never make fun of any other team for being shady, they get shit dropped and tell on people for cheating.

I heard on Mad Dog Radio this morning that the Big 10 was thinking of having their initial title game in Lucas Oil but the Green Bay Packer approached them about using Lambeu Field.
That would be fucking stupid, it would be fucking cold as hell.

Does he really think Texas is a Top 2 program historically ?

With 2 championships in almost 50 years.
Well yeah they are, even though they havent won championships they are easily up there and so is ND even though they havent done shit, especially worldwide for ND its why they still command top dollar for games. I remember looking it up one time but ND had like 5 or 6 of the top 10 most watched games ever.

Damn, I just noticed that Duke didn't receive a vote!

I guess Spurrier has ended his tradition of voting Duke into his pre-season top-25 every year.
They made him stop that a couple of years ago.
seriously though. rutgers gets zero votes but temple gets 2? Can we fuckin stop this nonsense? When did UConn get that much better. Why do all these polls always hate Rutgers?
Yeah Im not a huge rutgers fan but they should get more votes than temple and Uconn got better a lot the past few years, still even though rutgers is not a huge power house yet they deserve more respect than temple/uconn just for what they have accomplished the past few years.

[Snoogans]

Yeah Im not a huge rutgers fan but they should get more votes than temple and Uconn got better a lot the past few years, still even though rutgers is not a huge power house yet they deserve more respect than temple/uconn just for what they have accomplished the past few years.

thats what I didnt get. I know rutgers is really young, but they have alot of talent, and return alot of starters sans the offensive line. Plus they beat UConn last year and I would go ahead and say they probably woulda beat temple.
Same with South Florida. Rutgers SMOKED them last year. Why do these teams get votes ahead? Part of me wonders if some of the coaches who used to recruit the shit outta this area arent just a bit bitter that Rutgers woke up the program and started taking back alot of those kids. I dont know what other possible reason Rutgers wouldnt be ahead of alot of the teams that also received votes

[JimBeam]

NYTimes has Oh St playing Boise St in the national title game.

In their brilliant analysis of Boise St they say " All Bosie State needs to do is go undefeated, beating Virgina Tech and Oregon State along the way, and it has a terrific shot at playing for the national championship. "

Yes, and under the same premise Vandebilt only has to go undefeated in order to play for the national championship.

That pic took zero to make and they're hoping to be edgy.

Firstly they could go undefeated and still not play for a title and secondarily they could win both of those non-conference games and still make a mistake against a conference team.

I heard somebody say it the other day, and I'm not sure who, but they pointed out that it seems like Boise St is getting too much credit in the current rankings for beating an Oklahoma team 4 years ago.

I think that is somewhat true.

[SP1!]

thats what I didnt get. I know rutgers is really young, but they have alot of talent, and return alot of starters sans the offensive line. Plus they beat UConn last year and I would go ahead and say they probably woulda beat temple.
Same with South Florida. Rutgers SMOKED them last year. Why do these teams get votes ahead? Part of me wonders if some of the coaches who used to recruit the shit outta this area arent just a bit bitter that Rutgers woke up the program and started taking back alot of those kids. I dont know what other possible reason Rutgers wouldnt be ahead of alot of the teams that also received votes

Hey, Im with you on this one, there is no reason for them to get slighted this much, even though I think the big east is a lighter conference that doesnt mean other big east teams get better rankings over the team that has basically kicked them for a few years. Also, I cant even remember the last true star that came out of the NE, would knowshon be considered a college star even though he didnt get a lot of press? Matt Ryan maybe? Or was he from the mid west? I think most linemen come from the middle part, southern US, or as usc has found out hawaii so I dont think thats it, I would really like to know what the rationale is for them to be so low.

I heard somebody say it the other day, and I'm not sure who, but they pointed out that it seems like Boise St is getting too much credit in the current rankings for beating an Oklahoma team 4 years ago.

Most people ignore the fact that it was a weak OU team they beat as well in a down big 12 year, BSU may make it as long as they beat va tech and I am hoping that VT just wipes the turf with them so people will shut the fuck up and BSU can go back to being irrelevant again. At the least it looks to be the last year we will have to hear this bullshit since they will join a 12 team MWC and will most likely be the end of some scrub team thinking they deserve a shot at the NC game.

The biggest thing I love are all these people bitching that they deserve a shot, all I have to say is based on what? When they say record I say ok, look at the quality of opponents and their schedule rankings, when you are touting your record against teams most big div I schools get mocked as playing cupcakes its kind of hard to take you seriously.

[Snoogans]

Hey, Im with you on this one, there is no reason for them to get slighted this much, even though I think the big east is a lighter conference that doesnt mean other big east teams get better rankings over the team that has basically kicked them for a few years. Also, I cant even remember the last true star that came out of the NE, would knowshon be considered a college star even though he didnt get a lot of press? Matt Ryan maybe? Or was he from the mid west? I think most linemen come from the middle part, southern US, or as usc has found out hawaii so I dont think thats it, I would really like to know what the rationale is for them to be so low.



.

if you mean Knowshon Moreno, he actually is from NJ, not NE. NE has nothing really past Ct. They , ESPECIALLY Boston College, used to clean up in NJ. Same with Maryland, Pitt, Penn State. Thats why i respect Penn State. They seem to be the only school around here that is losing players to Rutgers and shows them respect. All the other schools who cant just fish NJ all day are so bitter. I really believe that adds up for alot of the slights they get.

[hammersavage]

Moreno didn't get a lot of press? I must misremember all of the stories I saw and read about him back then.

[SP1!]

if you mean Knowshon Moreno, he actually is from NJ, not NE. NE has nothing really past Ct. They , ESPECIALLY Boston College, used to clean up in NJ. Same with Maryland, Pitt, Penn State. Thats why i respect Penn State. They seem to be the only school around here that is losing players to Rutgers and shows them respect. All the other schools who cant just fish NJ all day are so bitter. I really believe that adds up for alot of the slights they get.
Well to most of us in the south anything above north carolina is considered NE

Moreno didn't get a lot of press? I must misremember all of the stories I saw and read about him back then.
Considering how great of a runner he was? I think he was ignored by the might teeblow machine, I fully expect knowshon to be a star in the NFL for years to come since he can use power or speed. Hes not tall but he can chew up ground and if he gets in the secondary hes gone.

[JimBeam]

I'm so tired of hearing the Reggie Bush give back the Heisman talk.

Obviously he was a POS but I don't think you can take the award away and even if you do there's no way you give it to the guy that came in 2nd.

It seems like everybody is assuming that Young would get it because he was 2nd in the voting at that time but who's to say that the voters that voted for Bush don't flip their votes to Leinart ?

Making it more frustrating is peolple talking about how Young beat them both head to head and so that's why he deserved it.

Young had a fantastic game but Leinart's numbers in that game weren't by any means pedestrian ( 29/40 for 365 yds and a TD ).

Either way that all happened after the voting and wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't be considered.

[CountryBob]

So Happy!
To kick off the college footbal season I am attending an all day football party at a friends house. Starting at 11am and rocking it until the last westcoast game ends. At 6pm we get to see how bad Tennessee will suck this year (my second favorite team). Lots of beer and wings and even an appearance by me playing guitar when I'm good and drunk - just to aggravate everybody!

Life is fun again - thanks college football!:clap:

[ozzie]

Nike Pro Combat Uni's for 2010 (http://nikeprocombat2010.nikemedia.com/)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Holy shit, Drew Henson may be the worst college commentator ever. Imagine Tony Dungy if he was white and clinically retarded.

[Kevin]

Holy shit, Drew Henson may be the worst college commentator ever. Imagine Tony Dungy if he was white and clinically retarded.



Glenn Beck?

[razorboy]

Pittsburgh looks a big steaming pile of crap.

[weekapaugjz]

Holy shit, Drew Henson may be the worst college commentator ever. Imagine Tony Dungy if he was white and clinically retarded.

what game is he calling?

Pittsburgh looks a big steaming pile of crap.

good.

and i know it's only against southern miss, but s. carolina is looking good.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Glenn Beck?

Beck is capable of emotion. Imagine a ton of announcing cliches, said with no emotion, no humor, lots of dead air.

Weeka, Henson is calling Rutgers-Norfolk State on the Trips

[weekapaugjz]

Weeka, Henson is calling Rutgers-Norfolk State on the Trips

i just checked out that site tonight, but unfortunately time-warner doesn't support it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

i just checked out that site tonight, but unfortunately time-warner doesn't support it.

Seriously, whenever I hear about drama shit, Time-Warner is ALWAYS involved. People give comcast shit, but you almost never hear about these channel wars with comcast.

[Tenbatsuzen]

on the Trips

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/23/shades21754188.jpg

[weekapaugjz]

Seriously, whenever I hear about drama shit, Time-Warner is ALWAYS involved. People give comcast shit, but you almost never hear about these channel wars with comcast.

they have this whole "get tough or roll over" campaign they keep pushing about not wanting to pay higher fees to cable channels. i think that's why the travel channel here is blocked out, but i can't be sure.

[Tenbatsuzen]

they have this whole "get tough or roll over" campaign they keep pushing about not wanting to pay higher fees to cable channels. i think that's why the travel channel here is blocked out, but i can't be sure.

DirecTV isn't an option? The only reason I stay with Comcast is that Sunday Ticket isn't enough to sway me. Especially since it's available online now.

[weekapaugjz]

DirecTV isn't an option? The only reason I stay with Comcast is that Sunday Ticket isn't enough to sway me. Especially since it's available online now.

i don't have cable/internet at my place. i just have it at work to keep me awake during the overnight shift. so if i'm not paying for it, i can't really complain too much.

[weekapaugjz]

would love to see usc come out and fall on their face, but it's very doubtful

[ozzie]

I can't stand the "icing the kicker" timeout trend in football. Once was bad enough. The second one was bush. Glad it backfired on them.

I haven't had a dawg in this fight all night, but I'm suddenly pulling for the Fighting Wannstedts to pull this one out.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Full slate of games today and no one posted? Ugh.

Good game by West Virginia. Nothing special, but it looks like Noel and Jock are coming together.

[TheGameHHH]

Full slate of games today and no one posted? Ugh.

Good game by West Virginia. Nothing special, but it looks like Noel and Jock are coming together.

I thought they looked like dogshit.....

and I know they'll prob. blow again this year but Notre Dame didn't look terrible today. Crist was tall in the pocket and did a good job of hitting targets. They ran well with Allen and Wood, plus their pass defense was on point. A little bit tough in stopping the run but all in all it wasn't too bad. I think Coach Kelly did a good job today, hope to see them build on it.

[Snoogans]

I thought they looked like dogshit.....

and I know they'll prob. blow again this year but Notre Dame didn't look terrible today. Crist was tall in the pocket and did a good job of hitting targets. They ran well with Allen and Wood, plus their pass defense was on point. A little bit tough in stopping the run but all in all it wasn't too bad. I think Coach Kelly did a good job today, hope to see them build on it.

come on, what the fuck is this shit. So that means Shawn Bradley would look good? he would be pretty fuckin tall in the pocket

[epo]

I just watched my Wisconsin Badgers kick the fuck out of UNLV. Kind of fun, yet boring actually...as it was close at halftime, yet it was obvious how it was gonna conclude.

[TheGameHHH]

come on, what the fuck is this shit. So that means Shawn Bradley would look good? he would be pretty fuckin tall in the pocket

do u really not know what that expression means or are you just being sarcastic for the fun of it?

[SP1!]

and i know it's only against southern miss, but s. carolina is looking good.
That was a bad team they played, their test comes next week against UGA and since they have a new defensive coordinator it looks bad for them because this one actually makes them play, you know, defense.

I can't stand the "icing the kicker" timeout trend in football. Once was bad enough. The second one was bush. Glad it backfired on them.
I forget the site, but they kept track of it and icing rarely works, its like 3% out of all the times its used and on a few of those kicks they were over 40 yards which are hard enough to make.

come on, what the fuck is this shit. So that means Shawn Bradley would look good? he would be pretty fuckin tall in the pocket

do u really not know what that expression means or are you just being sarcastic for the fun of it?
Yes I am hoping hes being sarcastic as well, but hes a rutgers fan so what can you expect?

Sorry, snoog season has started I have to cease being nice to other teams fans, its standard policy.

[disneyspy]

Go Blue!!

[Snoogans]

do u really not know what that expression means or are you just being sarcastic for the fun of it?

mostly for the fun of it, but there is a difference between the expression (standing tall in the pocket) and your delivery, being tall in the pocket

[JimBeam]

I guess everything was to be expected yesterday except for the Ole Miss upset and LSU almost blowing it against UNC.

Didn't get to see many of the games but glad ND won as that's a good start.

Interesting stat I read was that ND coaches are something like 36-3 in their debut games ( 2 losses were prior to 1935 and Lou Holtz was the only other one ).

Here's some interesting stuff about Jacksonville St's upset :

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/6036/jacksonville-states-its-case-at-ole-miss

[SP1!]

Oh and I forgot to ask any OU fans here on the board, how did they like the new secondary coach they hired? I cant believe their coach was so stupid as to hire quite possibly the worst coach at any level to coach there. Fuck he allowed 341 yards of passing to a shit team? Now I hope most can understand why I hate him so much when he was in charge of the defense at UGA, when we had 3 first round offensive picks and they had to score 40+ a game because his defense was going to give up nearly that much. Man he sucked, I cant believe anyone would even remotely think about hiring him for anything other than hotdog vendor at the stadium.

I foresee a lot of pain in OU's future and a quick drop in the rankings.

[JimBeam]

I very rarely find myself rooting for Va Tech but I really hope they destroy Boise St tonight to end all the talk about their chance for a national title.

[SP1!]

I very rarely find myself rooting for Va Tech but I really hope they destroy Boise St tonight to end all the talk about their chance for a national title.

What is sad is that if they get past this one game everyone pretty much says they will coast the rest of the year, what fucking other team can say that?

[SP1!]

Also, how crappy is the pac 10 this year? USC gives up a ton of points to a bad hawaii team, wsu gets blown out by a barely average ok state team, and washington losses to a rebuilding byu team.

They better hope oregon and stanford win some games, other wise the pac 10 champ may finish with 3-4 losses.

[JimBeam]

The SEC isn't looking great w/ the Ole Miss loss and the LSU attempt to lose.

The Big East dropped some high profile games as well.

USC played a lot of freshman so that could turn out to be a good thing for them.

It's early and I'm sure many of the teams we've seen before will right the ship.

Anybody catch the end of that Florida/Ohio HS game right before the Navy/Maryland game ?

Looked like some of the worst officiating ever.

First the kid on the losing team makes a phenomonal catch ( you'll see it on ESPN I'm sure ) to give them the lead and they say no catch.

So they run a few more plays and the clock official was a mess, the spotting of the ball sucked and they kinda screwed the losing team out of either a TD or at least a chance for one more play.

The end of the Navy/Maryland game was pretty good.

[SP1!]

Yeah, ole miss looked bad but then they along with miss state are always at the bottom along with vandy, I always thought it was shitty they let bama have those shitty teams in the west along with arkansas they are virtually guaranteed 3 wins a year.
The big east still hasnt proven anything to me, they have maybe 2-3 teams that are good this year and thats it, I know I tease snoogs a lot but the big east really looks like the big least again this year.
USC doesnt have a choice, a lot of upper class men either left or are planning to leave, it may be a good thing but laney will find a way to F it up.
I agree the navy/maryland game was good, their defense finally got a stop when it need to, still wondering how long fatty ralph will last if they finish close .500 again.

[weekapaugjz]

the black VT helmets are awful.

[weekapaugjz]

this is so great.

[Snoogans]

these bums better wake the fuck up. I dont wanna listen to this Boise shit all year again

[weekapaugjz]

awesome TD catch by the boise TE.

[SP1!]

this is so great.

How is this great? These potato farmers play one hard game all year, then play the cupcakes other teams schedule and they count as conference games, even if they go undefeated they do not deserve a spot in the NC game.

Im hoping that OSU or Mich goes undefeated and an SEC team finishes with one loss just to jump an undefeated BSU/tcu to show them nobody respects them at all still.

Oh and dont bring up that crap that they said they would play "anyone, anywhere" because thats not true, whats in the small print of that offer is the $900,000 plus expenses they want to travel for the game.

[Snoogans]

awesome TD catch by the boise TE.

that was a sweet fuckin catch

[weekapaugjz]

How is this great?

because i hate VT. and i like seeing small schools show up bigger programs.

[JimBeam]

Va Tech has their heads way up their collective asses.

Can Herbstreit and Musburger talk up Boise St any more ? I mean enough is enough.

No way that's a catch in the endzone. He didn't have possesion while he slid out of bounds.

You wanna see that same play made and called badly see my previously mentioned play at the end of that Florida/Ohio HS game.

And Musburger's talk about " are you watching ? " will mean nothing if Va Tech somehow turns out to be a 5 win team this year. It'll just be another Boise St win against a bad team.

But I think if Va Tech can get their act together and just start to get more physical they'll wear down Boise St and the 4th quarter will be all Hokies.

But that could be moot if they don't take charge now.

[Snoogans]

Va Tech has their heads way up their collective asses.

Can Herbstreit and Musburger talk up Boise St any more ? I mean enough is enough.

No way that's a catch in the endzone. He didn't have possesion while he slid out of bounds.

You wanna see that same play made and called badly see my previously mentioned play at the end of that Florida/Ohio HS game.

And Musburger's talk about " are you watching ? " will mean nothing if Va Tech somehow turns out to be a 5 win team this year. It'll just be another Boise St win against a bad team.

But I think if Va Tech can get their act together and just start to get more physical they'll wear down Boise St and the 4th quarter will be all Hokies.

But that could be moot if they don't take charge now.

every fuckin year va tech does this shit. they come out early, look like ass, then get healthy on that AWFUL ACC and end up with 10 wins

[SP1!]

because i hate VT. and i like seeing small schools show up bigger programs.

The difference is bsu is not a small program anymore, besides vt has been down for a while just like the rest of the ACC, I remember when they invited all those teams to join and they thought they had set up a huge miami/fsu rivalry every year.

Not so much now, they are also rans most of the time.

[SP1!]

every fuckin year va tech does this shit. they come out early, look like ass, then get healthy on that AWFUL ACC and end up with 10 wins

This is BSU's gameplan every year, run run run and get them on their heels early so they feel like they are playing catch up the entire game and it usually works because players crack. The one year it didnt work was when brian van gorder's defense knocked their dick in the dirt when they came to athens. If boise played in a real conference they are a .500 team, that was the year after they finished 11-1 and were a fumble away from 10-2 so its not like they were just bad that year. Play real teams all year get beat up then talk shit, right now they play hard one game, then coast the rest of the year and that shits just not fair. Fuck, if thats the case I want UGA to join C-USA so we can stomp those teams every year.

[JimBeam]

If I was Beamer I'd have that fucker that ran into the punter and then got the penalty packing his bags before the 3rd quarter.

If you guys remember last year the Boise St AD was telling anybody that'd listen that he tried to schedule games w/ big teams and they told him no. But when he was pressed for names and schools he couldn't come up with any.

I made a point last year that the " scared to play us " bit made no sense when you had a USC team travel to Oh St and play in front of 100K+ people.

Would USC rather play that team, in that atmosphere, or play Boise St in LA ?

I think we all know the answer.

Now look at this year's non-conference games ( FSU/Oklahoma, Penn St/Alabama, Miami/Oh St, LSU/UNC, etc ... ) and tell me if BCS teams are scared of Boise St.

Did you guys catch that stat that Va Tech is 0-21 against top 5 teams away from home ?

Pretty crazy.

[Snoogans]

This is BSU's gameplan every year, run run run and get them on their heels early so they feel like they are playing catch up the entire game and it usually works because players crack. The one year it didnt work was when brian van gorder's defense knocked their dick in the dirt when they came to athens. If boise played in a real conference they are a .500 team, that was the year after they finished 11-1 and were a fumble away from 10-2 so its not like they were just bad that year. Play real teams all year get beat up then talk shit, right now they play hard one game, then coast the rest of the year and that shits just not fair. Fuck, if thats the case I want UGA to join C-USA so we can stomp those teams every year.

im really so fuckin sick of hearing this boise shit. At least TCU plays a handful of quality teams every year. Thats also why they dont usually go undefeated.

I really hope Va Tech wakes up tonight instead of in conf play so we can end all this NONSENSE tonight. You dont know how bad i wanna throw a fuckin match on that stupid blue field

[keithy_19]

Boise's defense is making VT look dumb.

[JimBeam]

Boise's defense is making VT look dumb.

I think Va Tech's execution, or lack there of, is making them look a little better than they are.

I'll give them credit that they didn't come in intimidated/passive.

Beating Va Tech at their own game, special teams, and not even using the trick plays people thought they would.

Still Va Tech just needs to keep it close and spring on them later.

[Snoogans]

Boise's defense is making VT look dumb.

tyrod is making himself look pretty dumb. i dont care if you are playin the ravens, if a QB has 5 fuckin seconds to stand there, he should be able to find someone. He just blows.

[JimBeam]

tyrod is making himself look pretty dumb. i dont care if you are playin the ravens, if a QB has 5 fuckin seconds to stand there, he should be able to find someone. He just blows.

Or at least scramble and get something.

[Snoogans]

hopefully they are wakin up now. LETS GO FAGS, FUCK BOISE

[JimBeam]

Where's all the talk about Boise's speed on defense now ?

[Snoogans]

good fuckin game goin on now

[SP1!]

If you guys remember last year the Boise St AD was telling anybody that'd listen that he tried to schedule games w/ big teams and they told him no. But when he was pressed for names and schools he couldn't come up with any.
I addressed this earlier, it wasnt that people told him no to play them, he had plenty that would have played him a home/home series but they wanted $900,000 plus traveling expenses for the game. Thats why he couldnt name teams because they would have put that figure out, which came out later anyways, he knows that if he were to schedule OSU, UT, Bama, UF, UGA(again), etc..... They would get the shit kicked out of them, they can hand with mid teams like in the middle of the pack ACC(VT is severely over rated) but a top program with quick, strong kids will stomp them and I really want someone to knock that linebacker out again, hout(k?) I really hate that kid and thought he deserved a suspension for mocking.

Boise's defense is making VT look dumb.
VT has locked lost on offense for a couple of years now, their defense and special teams usually save them but the past few they have had issues on offense.

[SP1!]

Where's all the talk about Boise's speed on defense now ?

They are probably slowing down since the humidity is catching up to them, its a bitch and you cant plan for it out in idaho.

Oh and tyrod taylor is just a RB playing QB, hes like vick but without the arm or ability to hit a receiver on the run, he sucks as a QB but would make an awesome RB

[Snoogans]

now i hope va tach loses. no TOs for boise, how can you not run and at least take it to 125. fuckin assholes, fuck them

[SP1!]

Good god this is going to suck, fucking VT offense

[Snoogans]

that was a terrible call. he was basically in bounds

[hammersavage]

I don't remember a better week 1 game

[Snoogans]

fuck

[JimBeam]

How the fuck is that not pass interference ?

Regardless of whether he's looking back at the ball or not he can't make contact w/ the receiver.

Same fuckin' play in the endzone in the 1st half that went Boise St's way.

Beamer sucks and he's NEVER won a big game.

[Tenbatsuzen]

THat's the kind of game you should get when two top ten teams play each other.

[FatassTitePants]

Nice for Boise. I am all for eliminating the old guard any way possible. Fuck the BCS. I hate VT, but at least they have the nuts to schedule challenging games early in the season. I give them way more credit than most other major programs. It hasnt worked out for them, tho, so I guess its unlikely other teams would do the same.

[Kevin]

Taylor is a fucking BUM.

What an awful throw on 3rd down.

[SP1!]

THat's the kind of game you should get when two top ten teams play each other.

What, a sloppy game with shitty play all around? Is a close dramatic ending all it takes to make it a good game?

[JimBeam]

How much confidence does it give you to play against teams in the WAC ?

What kinda question is that ?

You know what, they'll wind up shitting the bed against a team that they should beat, so it'll even out.

Again why is this such a big win when they've said several times that Va Tech was only returning 4 guys on defense ?

Who knows if this Va Tech team is even good ?

You know what I think of when they say " on a neutral field, at anytime ... " I think to the WVU team that was undefeated in the 90's and got plastered by a UF team. I think of the Cincy team that was supposed to be good last year and got rolled by UF as well.

By the way Boise St is now only 7-7 against BCS teams since 2002.

[FatassTitePants]

What, a sloppy game with shitty play all around? Is a close dramatic ending all it takes to make it a good game?

Any team playing in week 1 has to work through sloppiness, penalties, and mistakes. It's about overcoming them. It's nearly impossible to be sharp this early against quality competition.

[SP1!]

You know what I think of when they say " on a neutral field, at anytime ... " I think to the WVU team that was undefeated in the 90's and got plastered by a UF team. I think of the Cincy team that was supposed to be good last year and got rolled by UF as well.

By the way Boise St is now only 7-7 against BCS teams since 2002.

The problem is they wont do a home/home with anyone, UGA's AD asked them to do it and they said only if they pay them to come here. This anytime, anywhere is bullshit so fuck them.

Any team playing in week 1 has to work through sloppiness, penalties, and mistakes. It's about overcoming them. It's nearly impossible to be sharp this early against quality competition.
Yes it is, plenty of teams looked sharp the first week, this was a horrible and sloopy game.

[FatassTitePants]

How much confidence does it give you to play against teams in the WAC ?

What kinda question is that ?

You know what, they'll wind up shitting the bed against a team that they should beat, so it'll even out.

Again why is this such a big win when they've said several times that Va Tech was only returning 4 guys on defense ?

Who knows if this Va Tech team is even good ?

You know what I think of when they say " on a neutral field, at anytime ... " I think to the WVU team that was undefeated in the 90's and got plastered by a UF team. I think of the Cincy team that was supposed to be good last year and got rolled by UF as well.

By the way Boise St is now only 7-7 against BCS teams since 2002.

Boise does not seem to play down to their competition ever, which is really rare in college sports.

I agree that preseason rankings are bullshit and we wont know who the really good teams are for another month, but they did beat a top 10 team (actually I think both were top 5 in the coaches poll)

[JimBeam]

I'm not taking anything away from them as far as the win because they earned that big time.

The problem I have, as most people do, is that's their only test all year.

Other conferences, even the " lesser " BCS ones have to play games like that at least 6 times a year.

They don't play down to teams because it's hard for anybody to pretend to be as bad as WAC teams.

[SP1!]

Im hoping VT ends up 3-8 so it kills any argument bsu has

[keithy_19]

Boise State is one of my top three favorite college football teams. So I was happy with them winning today. It was a sloppy game if you look at the penalties, but I was on the edge of my seat during it.