High-fructose corn syrup, what do we know?

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Huh?

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[Death Metal Moe]

It's not if this soda........wait, no it is.

I don't think it's in vinegar.

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[TooCute]

No.

And you can use google to very easily find out that corn syrup is used instead of sugar in many products because it avoids the tarrif on imported sugar.

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[Death Metal Moe]

'Tarrifs piss me off."

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[Mike Teacher]

Like Too Cute said it was mostly economic. In the mid 1980's Coca-Cola was about 50-50 Cane Sugar and Corn Syrup. Today it's all 'High Fructose Corn Syrup'. Corn's plentiful and cheap and domestic.

The Fructose is similar to the other saccharides, but it carries a higher Glycemic Index, meaning it spikes your blood sugar more intensely then other sugars.

It's cheap and like Palm Oil, Americans like the taste of them, and they provide plenty of calories for the diet.

So the fatties get fatter, and we have more fatties then ever and at a younger age. Not just because of Corn Syrup, mind you, but America is in staggeringly bad shape.

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[IrishAlkey]

and we have more fatties then ever


For a teacher you mix up 'then' and 'than' a lot.

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[TooCute]

Didn't you know that us Scientists don't need to Know proper Grammar?

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[Bill From Yorktown]

The Fructose is similar to the other saccharides, but it carries a higher Glycemic Index, meaning it spikes your blood sugar more intensely then other sugars.


High fructose corn syrup is EVIL. Mike is right about the effect it has on your blood sugar. Think about that the next time you hand your kid a fruit drink - read the ingredients - you'd be suprised what it's in (Ocean Spray Cranberry juice for example).

btw I gave up HFCS (as much as I can) and lost 8 lbs w/o even trying.

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[Mike Teacher]

For a teacher you mix up 'then' and 'than' a lot.


I know! Sheeee-it!!!

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[FUNKMAN]

Didn't you know that us Scientists don't need to Know proper Grammar?


it's kind of like Doctors and their handwriting... did you ever try to read their signature on a prescription sheet....

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[Death Metal Moe]

What the fructose are you all talking about?

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[sr71blackbird]

I hear alot ALOT of kids are pouring Coca Cola on their cereal now instead of milk!

I try and avoild all sugar and fructose products, but its so freaking prevasive. Try reading the ingredients on a can of Campbells soup! There is sugar in Chicken Soup!

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[SatCam]

Ever look at the ingredients of cherios? They suck and they have all this shit in it.

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[ADF]

I hear alot ALOT of kids are pouring Coca Cola on their cereal now instead of milk!


"A lot" is two words. Alkey and I are creating a grammar faction, which consists mostly of going to that MILF website.

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[grandzu]

I have been avoiding anything made with corn syrup in it instead of sugar and it is staggering how many items are corn syruped up. Even products that boast to be all natural or old fashioned have it as a massive ingrediant.
Not only is it in our food it is in the feed of cattle and bees. Cattle like humans cannot digest corn syrup and it simply turns to fat.
If you dont know how bad corn syrup is for you just google it and you will see.
Corn is not sweet! Corn syrup is not sugar!

[keithy_19]

Why don't you just back off corn syrup buddy. :p

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[Mike Teacher]

I have been avoiding anything made with corn syrup in it instead of sugar and it is staggering how many items are corn syruped up. Even products that boast to be all natural or old fashioned have it as a massive ingrediant.


Deconstructing posts is lame.

So I'll just say:

Chemically, corn syrup, specifically the high fructose kind, is indeed a sugar. A monosaccharide, to be exact. One of the isomers of C6H12O6, along with glucose and galactose.

It is disgested, that's how it gets converted into fat, then stored as fat.

As to all-natural; there's not much more natural then these compounds, they are all over the place, they occur naturally; corn is sweet because it's made up of a lot of, yep, natural sugar. The more complex sugars, yes, but, it's sugar.

What's not natural is the amount of it in our foods, that is indeed correct-o-mundo; as well as the thread title.

Reading above, yep, my deconstruction is lame.

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[Crippler]

Corn is not sweet! Corn syrup is not sugar!
Boy are folk at my pharma-lab gonna be pissed when they read about this!
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[phixion]

mike, then tell me about splenda. they say its amde from real sugar. and it supposedly sweeter than sugar. i dotn understand these things.

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[Crippler]

Phix...the quick & dirty explanation is this: Splenda (a.k.a. Sucralose) is chlorinated sugar. Three -OH groups from sugar are replaced with -Cl atoms, thus disallowing it to be broken down in the mouth by amalase or the stomach by digestive fluids. It's basically inert (unreactive). If it cannot be broken down, it can not be changed to fat, stored or digested...therefore it passes through the body without any ill-effects to your girlish figure.

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Wow. After a poor start from the first two posts, I'm actually learning some stuff in this thread.

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[Mike Teacher]

thus disallowing it to be broken down in the mouth by amalase or the stomach by digestive fluids.


Crippler's got it all over me here!

The above reminds me of a simple experiment; you take your piece of bread, your corn, whatever. Take a piece of bread and chew it but dont swallow it. No one ever does this, they just swallow. But if you have the patience, and you had this occur, so you know what I'm saying, it starts tasting sweeter, more sugary. The salivary Amylase [sic?] is breaking down the complex sugars into the simpler, and you can taste that.

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[Crippler]

Crippler's got it all over me here!

Nah, just read the question sooner. At least you spelled amylase correctly.

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umm, what?

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Fuck high fructose corn syrup. I want my high fructose soybean oil!!!!

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i remember that soon as i learned this in bio i understood why people should drink alot of water to lose weight, but i cant remember exactly what it is.

crippler im seriously impressed with you. good job sir.

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[sr71blackbird]

They way I see it, anything sweet, regardless of wether or not it passes through your body intact, stimulates the release of insulin, which reacts with carbohydrates to convert them into fat, should the proportion of protien not excede a ratio of 7 grams of protien to 9 grams of carbohydrates. By following this formula, I lost a total of 75 lbs. Stay away from anything that tastes sweet that isnt fruit.

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[BinaryTaoist]

Corn is in fucking everything, even the animals we eat are fed nothing but corn; and high fructose corn syrup is in most (if not all) processed foods. So starting May 1st, I'm going to avoid eating anything that has corn in it for a month as an experiment to see if I notice any changes... I'm in relatively good health now so changes I'm going to focus on note my chronic issues: fatigue and dermatitis. It would make the most sense to focus on my chronic stuff because corn has been the staple of the American diet long enough to include my whole life.

I'm going to make sure I get a complete protein daily... This includes avoiding eggs & dairy (cause the chickens and cows corn fed). I plan on eating a lot of fish and scouting butcher stores for grass fed animals...

[jessicaduh]

i started looking into this myself...there's a book that was recommended to me, but i have to do some digging to find the title...

[Snoogans]

does pizza have corn? If so, I could never do this

what about chinese food? White Castle? These are the things I need to know

[Snoogans]

oh yea isnt corn almost useless to the human body? Im pretty sure it does nothing. Im not talkin about corn syrup or any of that shit, just straight up corn

[jessicaduh]

our bodies aren't efficient at processing grains. i'm currently off of wheat and wheat products, and i feel generally sooooo much better than i ever had before.

good luck!

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[BinaryTaoist]

Well I guess you can argue that corn provides fiber...


The cheese on pizza most likely has been produced by a cow that has been fed on corn.


Before Friday I'm def making pizza & ribs...

Haha yeah no fast food at all - high fructose corn syrup in all that shit... Chinese food uses TONS of corn starch... so not even seafood or veggies from a chinese restaurant...

[razorboy]

i'm currently off of wheat and wheat products, and i feel generally sooooo much better than i ever had before.

I have cut down a lot on the wheat products. I used to date a chick who had coeliac disease and it kind of became a force of habit.

[BinaryTaoist]

Avoiding grains of all kinds is definetly a daoist approach to diet... Although because this is a corn fast, my limited protein choice kind of demands eating other grains, unless I eat nothing but fish and grass fed animals daily...

[Misteriosa]

King Corn. check it out

Pt 1

http://www.livevideo.com/video/Drachnid/7ED1177127A54A15B0FB0A93106DEDE1/king-corn-1-4.aspx

pt 2

http://www.livevideo.com/video/Drachnid/2BF40DC291874453B0CDD84B7EF5BF3C/king-corn-2-4.aspx

Pt 3

http://www.livevideo.com/video/Drachnid/91D5C8A8E55347A49444A5EB70C944CF/king-corn-3-4.aspx

Pt 4

http://www.livevideo.com/video/Drachnid/12D885375FDC4DBFBE891F4D03FC7D55/king-corn-4-4.aspx

[jessicaduh]

i'm not sure if you live anywhere that there are local farms, but you might want to look into purchasing produce/meat/dairy through a CSA (community supported agriculture)...you can subscribe to weekly deliveries or whatever of different food products from their farms. it's much easier and more cost-effective for obtaining grass-fed and organic food that is fresh and grown locally and doesn't have growth hormones or any of that shit. it benefits the farmers and enables them to survive, essentially.

definitely look into that. i bet you have more food options than you think...and it's really not expensive.

[Farmer Dave]

Corn is in fucking everything, even the animals we eat are fed nothing but corn; and high fructose corn syrup is in most (if not all) processed foods.

Good luck with your experiment, but I'm afraid you are starting with a false premise. If it makes you feel better, than go with it. I just want to point out that comercial livestock diets go way beyond the corn. I won't even say all the things are good. I just grabbed eight cans of different vegtables,tuna,and fruit from my cupboard, one item had HFCS. I don't thibk it will be that hard to avoid corn and its coproducts.

Make sure that fish is not farm raised. That fish food probably contains corm meal.

[joethebartender]

All this "corn quitting" just leaves more for me and Rachael.

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[Snoogans]

fuck this shit. Basically you cant eat anything that tastes good now

[Dude!]

Corn is in fucking everything, even the animals we eat are fed nothing but corn; and high fructose corn syrup is in most (if not all) processed foods. So starting May 1st, I'm going to avoid eating anything that has corn in it for a month as an experiment to see if I notice any changes... I'm in relatively good health now so changes I'm going to focus on note my chronic issues: fatigue and dermatitis. It would make the most sense to focus on my chronic stuff because corn has been the staple of the American diet long enough to include my whole life.

I'm going to make sure I get a complete protein daily... This includes avoiding eggs & dairy (cause the chickens and cows corn fed). I plan on eating a lot of fish and scouting butcher stores for grass fed animals...

of all the things to give up
giving up corn is just silly

it was a staple of the indians ("native americans")
for generations
and mexico has had a corn-based diet forever

but the mexicans are droppin like flies now
so maybe you are on to something

[Snoogans]

maybe you should give up like corn syrup and that kinda unhealthy shit. But there is nothing really bad for you in corn itself

[LordJezo]

King Corn. check it out

Pt 1

http://www.livevideo.com/video/Drachnid/7ED1177127A54A15B0FB0A93106DEDE1/king-corn-1-4.aspx

pt 2

http://www.livevideo.com/video/Drachnid/2BF40DC291874453B0CDD84B7EF5BF3C/king-corn-2-4.aspx

Pt 3

http://www.livevideo.com/video/Drachnid/91D5C8A8E55347A49444A5EB70C944CF/king-corn-3-4.aspx

Pt 4

http://www.livevideo.com/video/Drachnid/12D885375FDC4DBFBE891F4D03FC7D55/king-corn-4-4.aspx

I second this. Everyone should watch it. It's an eye opener to the American diet. I know corn syrup is in everything but I didn't know that even our meat is a good portion corn. Its crazy.

[SatCam]

For all the cobs you don't eat I'm going to eat two

[KatPw]

I've been actively eliminating HFCS from my diet for quite some time now. It definitely took a lifestyle change, but I think it was totally worth it. I've lost a lot of weight since I started really looking at food labels and educating myself. I'd also like to avoid Diabetes. I'm not opposed to corn per say, I'm just tired of eating hidden sugars. I bake all my own bread now (including pita, totillas, rolls, breadcrumbs, stuffing, etc), I bake all our desserts (pies, cakes, cookies), we started making our own jams, I make my own chocolate syrup, I just printed up a recipe for Worcestershire sauce. No more fast food. I think that homemade tastes better which in turn makes the meal more satisfying so I eat less. There is also a sense of pride and accomplishment that goes along with making it all yourself. I understand not everyone has the time or kitchen space to do all these things but I think doing what you can yourself is always a step in the right direction.

[Snoogans]

For all the cobs you don't eat I'm going to eat two

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Thanks, Maddox




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[Reephdweller]

i started looking into this myself...there's a book that was recommended to me, but i have to do some digging to find the title...

Is this the book you're talking about? If so, great book and a real eye opener to the extent that corn has in everything we eat and use today. It's almost impossible these days to not have corn in some form of presence from food, to cleaners, to even the gloss on a book or magazine cover. Binary, good luck with your experiment.


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[BinaryTaoist]

Good luck with your experiment, but I'm afraid you are starting with a false premise. If it makes you feel better, than go with it. I just want to point out that comercial livestock diets go way beyond the corn. I won't even say all the things are good. I just grabbed eight cans of different vegtables,tuna,and fruit from my cupboard, one item had HFCS. I don't thibk it will be that hard to avoid corn and its coproducts.

Make sure that fish is not farm raised. That fish food probably contains corm meal.

Yeah I know there is a lot of garbage in the the diet of livestock... and I've done different kinds of fasts before... your post did make me realize that even 'grass fed' beef probably gets some percentage of corn meal... so thats out... and I didn't think that the farm fed fish would get corn put very easy to believe... so wild fish it is... Of all those cans of stuff you found one with HFCS... I'd have to think it was the fruit...

maybe you should give up like corn syrup and that kinda unhealthy shit. But there is nothing really bad for you in corn itself

The best dietary advice I ever heard was to eat a little bit of everything but not too much of any one thing... Besides the paltry few days I've fasted out of my 31 years of existence, I've probably consumed corn in some form every day of my life... I need to see for myself... I have had chronic dermatitis for my entire life and have been working on it like a puzzle for most that time... could be I just have a sensitivity to corn... one way to be sure.

Is this the book you're talking about? If so, great book and a real eye opener to the extent that corn has in everything we eat and use today. It's almost impossible these days to not have corn in some form of presence from food, to cleaners, to even the gloss on a book or magazine cover. Binary, good luck with your experiment.


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I am not familiar with this book but I am familiar with the author, having read his book, The Botany of Desire a few years ago... I really enjoyed it, especially the section on apples (even more than the marijuana section)...


Well today is day two... I appreciate all the wishes of good luck!

[FezsAssistant]

you better stay away from my poop then.

[KnoxHarrington]

I don't doubt that an over-reliance on corn products in our diet is bad for us, but I wonder if part of this is sort of like the whole thing about carbs, and trans-fats -- a dietary boogeyman that we can easily cut out of our diet and be fine. That is, I can go ahead and eat that triple bacon cheeseburger because there's no corn on it.

I think it's a lot more complicated than that.

[BinaryTaoist]

Well... The animals that produced the bacon, the cheese, and the burger most likely had corn based diets. The burger bun is probably loaded with high fructose corn syrup and corn starch as well...


As for trans-fats... if you are trying to say that the stuff is harmless I can't subscribe to that... A very real 'boogeyman' of food stuffs...

[razorboy]

Fast corn.

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[Farmer Dave]

Yeah I know there is a lot of garbage in the the diet of livestock... and I've done different kinds of fasts before... your post did make me realize that even 'grass fed' beef probably gets some percentage of corn meal... so thats out... and I didn't think that the farm fed fish would get corn put very easy to believe... so wild fish it is... Of all those cans of stuff you found one with HFCS... I'd have to think it was the fruit...





The HFCS was actually in a can of italian seasoned stewed tomatoes, the fruit said sugar. Go figure.

If the beef is labeled as grass fed, it probably is just that. If its a small butcher shop you may even be able to contact the producer. Most states department of agriculture take labeling pretty seriously when it comes to claims of organic or such.

[jessicaduh]

How goes the fast?

[disneyspy]

How goes the fast?

bet hes got alot of corn comin out his hole

[angrymissy]

I avoid HFCS at all costs, and it can be difficult if you don't read ALL labels. It's in ketchup, bread, juice... I bought Newman's Own "NATURAL" lemonade and it was in there... I basically now try to buy all organic, and I also notice several brands now put "NO HFCS" on the label.

[grlNIN]

I've been actively eliminating HFCS from my diet for quite some time now. It definitely took a lifestyle change, but I think it was totally worth it. I've lost a lot of weight since I started really looking at food labels and educating myself. I'd also like to avoid Diabetes. I'm not opposed to corn per say, I'm just tired of eating hidden sugars. I bake all my own bread now (including pita, totillas, rolls, breadcrumbs, stuffing, etc), I bake all our desserts (pies, cakes, cookies), we started making our own jams, I make my own chocolate syrup, I just printed up a recipe for Worcestershire sauce. No more fast food. I think that homemade tastes better which in turn makes the meal more satisfying so I eat less. There is also a sense of pride and accomplishment that goes along with making it all yourself. I understand not everyone has the time or kitchen space to do all these things but I think doing what you can yourself is always a step in the right direction.

I love to cook but damn, that kind of cooking is either honorable or crazy.

[BinaryTaoist]

The HFCS was actually in a can of italian seasoned stewed tomatoes, the fruit said sugar. Go figure.

If the beef is labeled as grass fed, it probably is just that. If its a small butcher shop you may even be able to contact the producer. Most states department of agriculture take labeling pretty seriously when it comes to claims of organic or such.

Stewed tomatoes?!? Haha thats weird. Thanks for the grass fed info... I went to Whole Foods yesterday and got some 100% grass fed beef... expensive, but so good.

How goes the fast?

Well today is day 13... and I haven't really noticed anything at all... I've been making flour tortillas (without baking powder=cornstarch) and eating a lot of rice & beans to make sure I get a complete protein in my system... I've also been eating a lot of fish; I made mahi mahi tacos the other day with rice and avocado that was awesome. Fresh fruit, oatmeal, or oat cereal w/ricemilk is what I've been eating for breakfast, and I've been filling my ice pop molds with fruit juice for a little dessert now and then. For dinner tonight I am going to have a baked potato topped with refried beans... can't wait.

I went onto a corn allergy website a few days ago, and the author put Horizon dairy products as ok foods to consume... I'm not sure if that means there cattle is grass fed, so I sent an email to confirm but haven't gotten any response... If it turns out to be corn-free I'm going to make a pizza as soon as possible.

[Doctor Z]

Corn (or maize) was the Indians' way of secretly getting back at us.

[KatPw]

I love to cook but damn, that kind of cooking is either honorable or crazy.

It's surprisingly not that difficult, it's more about timing things. And no more spontaneous meals for the most part, I plan everything out. I've been keeping track of what we eat on the calender so I know what we eat and when. And since we started doing this a little over a year ago I have gone from a size 16 to a 12, and even my size 12 jeans are loose enough that I no longer have to unzipper or unbutton them to take them off.

[biggestmexi]

Corn is in fucking everything, even the animals we eat are fed nothing but corn; and high fructose corn syrup is in most (if not all) processed foods. So starting May 1st, I'm going to avoid eating anything that has corn in it for a month as an experiment to see if I notice any changes... I'm in relatively good health now so changes I'm going to focus on note my chronic issues: fatigue and dermatitis. It would make the most sense to focus on my chronic stuff because corn has been the staple of the American diet long enough to include my whole life.

I'm going to make sure I get a complete protein daily... This includes avoiding eggs & dairy (cause the chickens and cows corn fed). I plan on eating a lot of fish and scouting butcher stores for grass fed animals...

this is a joke right?

corn syrup products are made only from a certain part of the corn. o would not really call them corn anything.

your pathetic.


exercises will offset your HUGE corn eating habits

its so bad!!!!
Sweetcorn (seeds only)
Nutritional value per 100 g (3.5 oz)
Energy 90 kcal 360 kJ
Carbohydrates 19 g
- Sugars 3.2 g
- Dietary fiber 2.7 g
Fat 1.2 g
Protein 3.2 g
Vitamin A equiv. 10 μg 1%
Folate (Vit. B9) 46 μg 12%
Vitamin C 7 mg 12%
Iron 0.5 mg 4%
Magnesium 37 mg 10%
Potassium 270 mg 6%

a good source of magnesium = Magnesium is the 11th most abundant element by mass in the human body; its ions are essential to all living cells, where they play a major role in manipulating important biological polyphosphate compounds like ATP, DNA, and RNA. Hundreds of enzymes thus require magnesium ion in order to function.

[BinaryTaoist]

this is a joke right?

corn syrup products are made only from a certain part of the corn. o would not really call them corn anything.

your pathetic.


exercises will offset your HUGE corn eating habits

its so bad!!!!


a good source of magnesium = Magnesium is the 11th most abundant element by mass in the human body; its ions are essential to all living cells, where they play a major role in manipulating important biological polyphosphate compounds like ATP, DNA, and RNA. Hundreds of enzymes thus require magnesium ion in order to function.


Whoah! Simmer down lil' fella!

Ya know if you ever have to deal with anything that should actually generate anger you'll end up giving yourself an embolism!

Pathetic? Such a kneejerk reaction to my post is what is pathetic... If you'll notice my point wasn't just about corn syrup but corn in general. I made no claims that corn was bad, just that its in the majority of our diet. Furthermore, I made no claims that avoiding corn will do anything... I don't know, hence the experimentation.

Exercise will offset an overconsumption of corn? Now who is joking? What research have you done to make such a statement?

While I welcome constructive criticism; you just oddly attack me like a child... weird.

[LordJezo]

So what the corn people say

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What the anti corn people say

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So, what the heck is it? Has anyone done any studies that are not considered fringe conspiracy science that have talked about HFCS? I try to avoid it when possible, which is almost impossible, simply because its a strange lab creation and I'd much rather have plain old sugar.

But what does it do to us, really?

[IMSlacker]

Well, the anti-corn syrup guy is fat, so you know we can't trust him.

[StanUpshaw]

So, what the heck is it? Has anyone done any studies that are not considered fringe conspiracy science that have talked about HFCS? I try to avoid it when possible, which is almost impossible, simply because its a strange lab creation and I'd much rather have plain old sugar.

But what does it do to us, really?

Google Scholar :: "High Fructose Corn Syrup" (http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=%22high+fructose+corn+syrup%22&as_sdt=1000000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0)

[StanUpshaw]

Journal of Nutrition (April 29, 2009). doi:10.3945/jn.108.098194
© 2009 American Society for Nutrition
The State of the Science on Dietary Sweeteners Containing Fructose
The Effect of High-Fructose Corn Syrup Consumption on Triglycerides and Uric Acid

Rates of overweight and obesity have been on a steady rise for decades, and the problems society faces from this and associated metabolic diseases are many. As a result, the need to understand the contributing factors is great. A very compelling case can be made that excess sugar consumption has played a significant role. In addition, fructose, as a component of the vast majority of caloric sweeteners, is seen to be particularly insidious. Evidence shows that fructose bypasses many of the body's satiating signals, thus potentially promoting overconsumption of energy, weight gain, and the development on insulin resistance. It has also been shown to increase uric acid levels, which in turn promotes many of the abnormalities seen in the metabolic syndrome including hypertriglyceridemia. However, the main source of fructose in the diet is high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), an artificially manufactured disaccharide that is only 55% fructose. This review highlights the fact that limited data are available about the metabolic effects of HFCS compared with other caloric sweeteners. The data suggest that HFCS yields similar metabolic responses to other caloric sweeteners such as sucrose.

[StanUpshaw]

Journal of Nutrition, doi:10.3945/jn.108.097998
Vol. 139, No. 6, 1219S-1227S, June 2009
Misconceptions about High-Fructose Corn Syrup: Is It Uniquely Responsible for Obesity, Reactive Dicarbonyl Compounds, and Advanced Glycation Endproducts?
John S. White*, White Technical Research, Argenta, IL 62501

Misconceptions about high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) abound in the scientific literature, the advice of health professionals to their patients, media reporting, product advertising, and the irrational behavior of consumers. Foremost among these is the misconception that HFCS has a unique and substantive responsibility for the current obesity crisis. Inaccurate information from ostensibly reliable sources and selective presentation of research data gathered under extreme experimental conditions, representing neither the human diet nor HFCS, have misled the uninformed and created an atmosphere of distrust and avoidance for what, by all rights, should be considered a safe and innocuous sweetener. In the first part of this article, common misconceptions about the composition, functionality, metabolism, and use of HFCS and its purported link to obesity are identified and corrected. In the second part, an emerging misconception, that HFCS in carbonated soft drinks contributes materially to physiological levels of reactive dicarbonyl compounds and advanced glycation endproducts, is addressed in detail, and evidence is presented that HFCS does not pose a unique dietary risk in healthy individuals or diabetics.

Full text PDF here (http://www.nutrociencia.com.br/upload_files/artigos_download/Frutose%20e%20Obesidade%20(JNutr%202009).pdf)

[Chigworthy]

I don't think the problem with HFCS has anything to do with the compound itself, but has more to do with the way corn is grown and subsidized in this country. It is not good for a number of reasons, including vast swaths of monoculture (Monoculture is a very damaging agricultural technique) and ridiculously cheap calories. Corporate corn farming is the Made in China of the agricultural world.

[StanUpshaw]

If that tub of goo is worried about fructose, maybe he should ditch THE FUCKING APPLE!!!!!

[StanUpshaw]

I don't think the problem with HFCS has anything to do with the compound itself, but has more to do with the way corn is grown and subsidized in this country. It is not good for a number of reasons, including vast swaths of monoculture (Monoculture is a very damaging agricultural technique) and ridiculously cheap calories. Corporate corn farming is the Made in China of the agricultural world.

The subsidy situation is all fucked up. Some subsidies drive corn price down below cost of production, then other subsidies incentivize ethanol production, which drives up corn price to meat producers. It's a fucking mess.

However...

I can't imagine why you'd think reducing efficiency should be a goal of our food production system.

[Jujubees2]

LJ,

Why don’t you do what other normal Americans do whet confronted with such a dilemma? Ask the people at the gym!

[opie's twisted balls]

Ask the people at the gym!
Its difficult for LJ to ask question while at the gym since he usually has a mouth full of scrotum.

[MC Pee Pants]

i keep a strict diet of roast beef subs & sushi. Fuck this noise.

[disneyspy]

i love pepsi but pepsi throwback is much better than pepsi, HFCS sucks!!

[Snoogans]

the givernment subsidizes corn, Jezo. that must mean they are tryin to use HFCS to control everyone and brainwash them. STAY AWAY

[LordJezo]

the givernment subsidizes corn, Jezo. that must mean they are tryin to use HFCS to control everyone and brainwash them. STAY AWAY

Well yeah, I could post links to stuff about how HFCS has mercury in it and it's being used as a tool for population reduction by the illumaniti..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR2009012601831.html


http://www.knowthelies.com/?q=node/1409

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But that's not what I want here, I want something I can talk to about with people who are in the dark and not in the mood to listen to what most say is crazy talk.

[Penelope]

I hate those commercials saying nothing is wrong with high fructose corn syrup. There is plenty wrong with it because it tastes like crap.

[disneyspy]

CBS EVENING NEWS is listening to jezo,they're having a piece on HFCS soon,personally i agree with penelope it tastes disgusting

[ryno1974]

All I know is it pays the bills. I work for a food manufacturing company, and trust me on this one people - EAT MORE PROCESSED FOODS. I have three kids to put through University.

[Snoogans]

Well yeah, I could post links to stuff about how HFCS has mercury in it and it's being used as a tool for population reduction by the illumaniti..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR2009012601831.html


http://www.knowthelies.com/?q=node/1409

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But that's not what I want here, I want something I can talk to about with people who are in the dark and not in the mood to listen to what most say is crazy talk.

fuck what they think jezo. Im startin to see the true good you are tryin to do for the people on this board.

preach on, brotha

[Doctor Z]

Topping threads from 7 years ago? ...Are we rationing server space?

[Snoogans]

Topping threads from 7 years ago? ...Are we rationing server space?

it was actually merged i think

[Chigworthy]

it was actually merged i think

Merged, or censored?

[Snoogans]

Merged, or censored?

another man who understands, jezo. We got your back. We know they tried to bury you so you cant get the word out

[disneyspy]

another man who understands, jezo. We got your back. We know they tried to bury you so you cant get the word out

you guys are like the french underground without the gay ass hats

[midwestjeff]

As a midwesterner I demand that this thread be locked and deleted.

Don't make me call my friends at Monsanto
and have this fucking board shut the fuck down!

Now go enjoy some corn products and shut the fuck up.

[disneyspy]

As a midwesterner I demand that this thread be locked and deleted.

Don't make me call my friends at Monsanto
and have this fucking board shut the fuck down!

Now go enjoy some corn products and shut the fuck up.

corn should be used for feeding pigs and making gasoline NOT making shitty tasting sweeteners


JEZO FOR MOD!!

[midwestjeff]

Corn on the cob, corn chowder, corn cake, cornbread, corn syrup, corn nuggets, creamed corn, popcorn, ethanol, candied corn, caramel corn, corn muffins.....

[disneyspy]

Corn on the cob, corn chowder, corn cake, cornbread, corn syrup, corn nuggets, creamed corn, popcorn, ethanol, candied corn, caramel corn, corn muffins.....

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[weekapaugjz]

Corn on the cob, corn chowder, corn cake, cornbread, corn syrup, corn nuggets, creamed corn, popcorn, ethanol, candied corn, caramel corn, corn muffins.....

http://blogs.pitch.com/fatcity/Cornballer.jpg

[Serpico1103]

Well yeah, I could post links to stuff about how HFCS has mercury in it and it's being used as a tool for population reduction by the illumaniti..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR2009012601831.html


http://www.knowthelies.com/?q=node/1409

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But that's not what I want here, I want something I can talk to about with people who are in the dark and not in the mood to listen to what most say is crazy talk.

More over produced loose change crap.
She said that Codex endorsed rBGH. A three second Google search reveals that Codex sides with the European Union in not supporting rBGH. So, either she knows more than Google, or she is a crazy bitch.
The truth is scary enough. A bad music bed of Gregorian chants and a James Toback editing style is not needed.

[StanUpshaw]

Handy table for carbonyl comparisons:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2euiykp.jpg
(source (http://www.nutrociencia.com.br/upload_files/artigos_download/Frutose%20e%20Obesidade%20(JNutr%202009).pdf))

Looks like we better ban coffee and cheese while we're at it.

[StanUpshaw]

Here's another table showing how much soda you'd need to drink (over 70 gallons) in order to match the level of methylglyoxal your body produces on its own every day:

http://i42.tinypic.com/2u8j50j.jpg
(source) (http://www.nutrociencia.com.br/upload_files/artigos_download/Frutose%20e%20Obesidade%20(JNutr%202009).pdf)

[underdog]

Here's another table showing how much soda you'd need to drink (over 70 gallons) in order to match the level of methylglyoxal your body produces on its own every day:

In that case, it should be fine to breathe in all the carbon dioxide you want because your body produces so much of it over a day.

[Chigworthy]

In that case, it should be fine to breathe in all the carbon dioxide you want because your body produces so much of it over a day.

Think of all the feces we can eat.

[underdog]

Think of all the feces we can eat.

I was wondering what to have for breakfast.

[Chigworthy]

you guys are like the french underground without the gay ass hats

Apparently you haven't seen our ass hats.

[ANC]

Ugg drinking tropicana cranberry juice and I read it has High Fructose Corn Syrup as the 2nd ingrediant after water and before cranberry juice. WTF Tropicana?

[StanUpshaw]

What are you upset about? Buy 100% juice if that's what you want.

[PapaBear]

Ugg drinking tropicana cranberry juice and I read it has High Fructose Corn Syrup as the 2nd ingrediant after water and before cranberry juice. WTF Tropicana?

What are you upset about? Buy 100% juice if that's what you want.
Exactly. What ANC probably had was cranberry juice COCKTAIL. It's basically not much better than soda. But even with 100% juice, you still have to read the ingredients. Make sure the main juice you're looking for is as far up the list as possible. It can vary a lot, depending on the brand.

[Chigworthy]

Another thing about 100% juice is that if it is from concentrate, it's not all that healthy.

[StanUpshaw]

Another thing about 100% juice is that if it is from concentrate, it's not all that healthy.

Huh?

[Chigworthy]

Huh?

Uh huh.

[StanUpshaw]

Be better at science.

[Chigworthy]

Be better at science.

Be better at nutrition. Or just ask a nutritionist about how healthy concentrated fruit juice is.

[StanUpshaw]

Be better at nutrition. Or just ask a nutritionist about how healthy concentrated fruit juice is.

Please show me peer-reviewed research that indicates there is any nutritional difference between bottled juice and bottled juice from concentrate.

[Chigworthy]

Please show me peer-reviewed research that indicates there is any nutritional difference between bottled juice and bottled juice from concentrate.

Why do you think they concentrate it? Start there.

[StanUpshaw]

Why do you think they concentrate it? Start there.

Shipping water is a waste of money. Next?

[StanUpshaw]

More science, less dodging.

[Chigworthy]

Shipping water is a waste of money. Next?

So the concentrate is shipped to the store, where it is mixed with water? Start over.

[StanUpshaw]

So the concentrate is shipped to the store, where it is mixed with water? Start over.

Fruit is grown one place and bottled another. Between those places it is shipped.

Now, back to the science?????

[Chigworthy]

Fruit is grown one place and bottled another. Between those places it is shipped.

Now, back to the science?????

So to save on shipping costs, harvest the fruit, transport it to a concentrating plant, then transport it to the bottling plant, reconstitute it, then ship it to the stores? Why not just put the bottling plant in place of the concentrating plant?

[StanUpshaw]

So to save on shipping costs, harvest the fruit, transport it to a concentrating plant, then transport it to the bottling plant, reconstitute it, then ship it to the stores? Why not just put the bottling plant in place of the concentrating plant?

Study this shit on your own time. Right now, find me the research.

[Chigworthy]

Study this shit on your own time. Right now, find me the research.

I'll get right on that.

[StanUpshaw]

Upshaw 2
That guy 0

[sailor]

i have to agree with creepy on this one.

[ANC]

Exactly. What ANC probably had was cranberry juice COCKTAIL. It's basically not much better than soda. But even with 100% juice, you still have to read the ingredients. Make sure the main juice you're looking for is as far up the list as possible. It can vary a lot, depending on the brand.

Yup that's exactly what happened. But I grabbed it because the real cranberry juice and fake cranberry drink bottles were all mixed together and look the same except for the words "juice" and "drink"

[sailor]

Saw a web-md article where they compiled a bunch of studies on HFCs and said obesity did not appear to be linked to HFCs, but rather the total caloric intake. They did however say the studies had issues, so they couldn't make a conclusive finding.