2010 NFL draft thread

[Snoogans]

combine starts today. Draft in 2 months. I was reading an article about anthony Davis and Devin McCourty from Rutgers.


HOLY SHIT: Davis is making general managers salivate with his youth (he won't turn 21 until October), athletic ability (he could hurl his 320-pound body from beyond the foul line and dunk in high school), loyalty (he turned down Ohio State, USC and Miami to attend a school 20 minutes from home) and his devotion to the game.

[KnoxHarrington]

The coverage of Tim Tebow is going to be completely out of proportion to the impact he's going to make in the league, but I am interested to this degree: I wonder if any team is going to get pressure from the fanbase or even the owner to draft him because he's a "good kid" who "wants to win".

The most likely team for that seems to be Jacksonville, since it's the closest to the University of Florida's fan base, but my guess is that team's going to be in Los Angeles in a couple of years anyway.

[epo]

The coverage of Tim Tebow is going to be completely out of proportion to the impact he's going to make in the league, but I am interested to this degree: I wonder if any team is going to get pressure from the fanbase or even the owner to draft him because he's a "good kid" who "wants to win".

The most likely team for that seems to be Jacksonville, since it's the closest to the University of Florida's fan base, but my guess is that team's going to be in Los Angeles in a couple of years anyway.

Isn't it a good sign for a QB to completely re-tool his throwing motion between the Senior Bowl and the NFL combine?

[Snoogans]

Isn't it a good sign for a QB to completely re-tool his throwing motion between the Senior Bowl and the NFL combine?

dont all NFL QBs wait until after they graduate college to learn how to throw?

[KnoxHarrington]

dont all NFL QBs wait until after they graduate college to learn how to throw?

They don't completely recreate their throwing styles like Tebow is. It's more that they need the time to observe NFL defenses and get used to the pace and timing of the NFL game.

[epo]

dont all NFL QBs wait until after they graduate college to learn how to throw?

I just saw a brief clip, but did Tebow adopt the Jeff Tedford "shelf" motion?

[Snoogans]

this is a free one from me to tim tebow. this is the form you need, son:

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee271/caldwelljones/AlBundy33.jpg

[EddieMoscone]

They don't completely recreate their throwing styles like Tebow is. It's more that they need the time to observe NFL defenses and get used to the pace and timing of the NFL game.

I've read both Peyton Manning (Success) and David Carr (Fail) both make pretty big changes to their delivery before the draft.

[Snoogans]

I've read both Peyton Manning (Success) and David Carr (Fail) both make pretty big changes to their delivery before the draft.

in fairness, carr didnt fail because of how he threw, he actually throws fine. he failed because he got sacked 7000000 times in like 3 years and got happy feet

[EddieMoscone]

Kiper originally had the Jets mocked to take Golden Tate, WR from ND. (I think he's since changed) Then yesterday I heard Franscesa say how much he loved Golden Tate...that he thought he was in the mold of Steve Smith. I don't like either of those guys much, but would love the jets to get that impact WR.

[Snoogans]

good job espn showing them on the phone before the pick is announced. ASSHOLES

[JPMNICK]

good job espn showing them on the phone before the pick is announced. ASSHOLES

ha i know i was thinking the same thing. way to mic him saying thank you to the GM or whoever on the phone before the pic is even announced.

i hate bradford being the 1st pick, they should have traded that pic and gotten him further down

[Crippler]

Seriously, they used to do that a little bit, but they would show enough people on the phone you didn't know 100% what was coming...this shit is beyond obvious...you dicks.

Fuck this, I'm going to follow online & watch some hockey.

[Snoogans]

ok wait. Did he really just call him Silverback??????

[brettmojo]

ok wait. Did he really just call him Silverback??????

Mark Henry's gonna' sue their ass.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/m/markhenry/29.jpg

[hanso]

Sam is a ram.

[TripleSkeet]

I hate the fact the Eagles didnt try to trade up to get Berry. Theyve got 10 fucking picks. Give some up Andy Reid! The kids the next Ed Fucking Reed.

[JPMNICK]

how do all these kids who never got paid all have diamond watches?

[Snoogans]

Stop

Showing

Them

On

The

Fuckin

Phone

[Snoogans]

how do all these kids who never got paid all have diamond watches?

endorsements, loans and agents

[TripleSkeet]

I agree. The phone thing is fucking annoying. So is the douchebag saying "I just got off the phone with an agent from the Seahawks and thats DEFINITELY who they are taking"

[razorboy]

I fucking love getting McCoy. The young man wants to be great.

[dereckfishboy]

Yeah, it's kinda killing the drama knowing who is getting picked three minutes before they're called up

[Tenbatsuzen]

I hate to say this... Oakland is next and ESPN just showed Tebow on the phone.

[Snoogans]

I fucking love getting McCoy. The young man wants to be great.

he cried. for being drafted


BUST

[Tenbatsuzen]

he cried. for being drafted


BUST

Wouldn't you cry if you just got 30 million guaranteed?

[Snoogans]

wait what?

[Tenbatsuzen]

2 white chicks in a sea of black people... so weird

I that girl in the green dress his chick?

[Snoogans]

Wouldn't you cry if you just got 30 million guaranteed?

not if i knew it for 3 months, no. no one else is crying

[dereckfishboy]

he cried. for being drafted


BUST

I'd cry if I were drafted by the Bucs

[Tenbatsuzen]

wait what?

You're poor and black. Here's 30 million, guaranteed. NOW CRY, BITCH

[Snoogans]

You're poor and black. Here's 30 million, guaranteed. NOW CRY, BITCH

my wait what was to the raiders. Stop it moron. no one else cried. Stop tryin to be different so you can fight. Go away now moron

[TripleSkeet]

Im surprised Oakland didnt fuck that up. Sorry NY fans.

[Snoogans]

Im surprised Oakland didnt fuck that up. Sorry NY fans.

yea they did. wayyyy to high

[weekapaugjz]

Huh?

I like!

[razorboy]

Typical Raider pick. Rolando is slow with awful instincts. Seriously, why waste an early pick on a big slow ILB?

[brettmojo]

2 white chicks in a sea of black people... so weird

I that girl in the green dress his chick?
Somewhere in Long Island there's an old man in a big house screaming at his TV.

[Tenbatsuzen]

my wait what was to the raiders. Stop it moron. no one else cried. Stop tryin to be different so you can fight. Go away now moron

The fuck you talking about? McCoy was crying and the kid with the big ears was crying.

[Kevin]

Why would you be happy that Spiller wound up in Buffalo?

[Snoogans]

The fuck you talking about? McCoy was crying and the kid with the big ears was crying.

then he is a bust too. Ive barely ever seen guys cry. act like you been there. They all knew they were gettin picked

[Snoogans]

they did not need to move up for davis. WTF?

[Tenbatsuzen]

then he is a bust too. Ive barely ever seen guys cry. act like you been there. They all knew they were gettin picked

Ryan Leaf didn't cry.

[Snoogans]

Ryan Leaf didn't cry.

yea good point. you won cause you found one bust who didnt. even though that has nothing to do with what we were talkin about. Fuckin idiot. Just stop, pretend im not here

[Tenbatsuzen]

yea good point. you won cause you found one bust who didnt. even though that has nothing to do with what we were talkin about. Fuckin idiot. Just stop, pretend im not here

I find it funny you question a guy's skill because he shows emotion. Newsflash, fuck stick: EMOTION IN FOOTBALL IS GOOD.

[brettmojo]

Ryan Leaf didn't cry.
Shortly after being drafted, Leaf declared, "I'm looking forward to a 15 year career, a couple of trips to the Super Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl), and a parade through downtown San Diego (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego)."

HA!

[TripleSkeet]

I love the chant wars going on between the Eagles and NY fans. Theyre laughing on the NFL Network.

[Kevin]

ESPN Just spent like 4hrs saying how the no brainer pick is the saftey.

Now they LOVE this pick.

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, Drew Brees was crying. He knew for a while he was winning the game. HE'S FUCKING WORTHLESS

[Snoogans]

I find it funny you question a guy's skill because he shows emotion. Newsflash, fuck stick: EMOTION IN FOOTBALL IS GOOD.

yea except pussy emotions. They hurt you in football. You shouldnt really cry over something you found out about MONTHS AGO. its not like these kids won the lottery. they already knew

just like I know you are retarded. Seriously, leave me alone now. just cause you get the last word wont make you any less dumb. thats why everyone hates you

[Snoogans]

BTW, Drew Brees was crying. He knew for a while he was winning the game. HE'S FUCKING WORTHLESS

he cried when he won the Superbowl. its completely different. If you are gonna be an insufferable douche when you argue, AT LEAST ARGUE THE POINT THAT WAS BEING TALKED ABOUT

First sign that you failed in the argument is bringing up COMPLETELY different shit to try to make your point.

GO THE FUCK AWAY LOSER. STOP TRYIN SO HARD

[Tenbatsuzen]

yea except pussy emotions. They hurt you in football. You shouldnt really cry over something you found out about MONTHS AGO. its not like these kids won the lottery. they already knew

just like I know you are retarded. Seriously, leave me alone now. just cause you get the last word wont make you any less dumb. thats why everyone hates you

If you're an emotional person, you're going to have extremes on both ends.

The dude's mother died, she was probably on his mind a lot, and tonight was the culmination of all that. Yes, it was an unsual display - even I was saying c'mon dude, don't cry - but he's emotional. Ain't nothing wrong with that to me.

Quite honestly, it shows character.

[Tenbatsuzen]

he cried when he won the Superbowl. its completely different. If you are gonna be an insufferable douche when you argue, AT LEAST ARGUE THE POINT THAT WAS BEING TALKED ABOUT

First sign that you failed in the argument is bringing up COMPLETELY different shit to try to make your point.

GO THE FUCK AWAY LOSER. STOP TRYIN SO HARD

You're getting emotional. Gonna start crying? Waaaaaaah.

[TripleSkeet]

I hate the Eagles pick. I dont understand what Andys thinking. He couldve gotten Eric Berry for the 24th and 37th picks. Didnt do it. Then traded up and passed on Earl Thomas for a DE that is SMALLER THEN ME.

Hey Andy, we have NO FUCKING SECONDARY in a league that pretty much does nothing but PASS.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I really am amazed how Snoogans gets set off by one comment. This is the same guy who was inviting me to tailgate with him at the Rutgers home opener six months ago.

[TripleSkeet]

Can you guys just stop. The entire argument is retarded and worthless. Just drop it.

[Snoogans]

You're getting emotional. Gonna start crying? Waaaaaaah.

yea good point. Why cant you just go away. I dont wanna talk to you. I dont like you. Stop tryin. Stop sending IMs to people who hate you. JUST GO AWAY

[Tenbatsuzen]

I hate the Eagles pick. I dont understand what Andys thinking..

http://www3.allaroundphilly.com/blogs/delcotimes/bobg/uploaded_images/andy-reid-728695.jpg

"Cheeseburgers... sausage.... cream puffs... fried zucchini... hoagies..."

[Snoogans]

I really am amazed how Snoogans gets set off by one comment. This is the same guy who was inviting me to tailgate with him at the Rutgers home opener six months ago.

no dick, thats not what happened. You told me you might be there and I said hit me up if you go so you would leave me alone. See, since you obviously DONT have my number. But nice try. I DONT LIKE YOU. JUST ACCEPT IT AND STOP. im tryin to enjoy commenting on the draft

[weekapaugjz]

http://www3.allaroundphilly.com/blogs/delcotimes/bobg/uploaded_images/andy-reid-728695.jpg

"Cheeseburgers... sausage.... cream puffs... fried zucchini... hoagies..."

Now that's funny.

[Kevin]

I hate the Eagles pick. I dont understand what Andys thinking. He couldve gotten Eric Berry for the 24th and 37th picks. Didnt do it. Then traded up and passed on Earl Thomas for a DE that is SMALLER THEN ME.

Hey Andy, we have NO FUCKING SECONDARY in a league that pretty much does nothing but PASS.

If you are gunna go DE go Pierre Paul.

[razorboy]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Earl Thomas is an awful pick.

[dereckfishboy]

Ugh... I can't believe he did the hack "fuggedaboutit"...

[Tenbatsuzen]

Ugh... I can't believe he did the hack "fuggedaboutit"...

I may have to flip on the NFLN because Boomer is jus tpissing me off.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Earl Thomas is an awful pick.

Id much rather have him then Graham. Andy loves his fucking undersized players.

[Snoogans]

im good with that pick. that or morgan woulda been good

[Tenbatsuzen]

Just let McCourty be on the board at 29.

[razorboy]

Giants fan got a hell of a nice kid and an absolute physical freak in JPP. He's a great kid and you are lucky to have him.

[STC-Dub]

Ugh... I can't believe he did the hack "fuggedaboutit"...

He has been doing it for years, why stop now?

[Snoogans]

2 offensive linemen?

[STC-Dub]

Their line did suck last year.

[JPMNICK]

did that center from Fla just kiss a man on the mouth?

[weekapaugjz]

That white woman with pouncey was a whale.

[weekapaugjz]

did that center from Fla just kiss a man on the mouth?

Yes.

[Crippler]

Now trade Osi & a later pick to get into the late 1st, early 2nd & draft Weatherspoon at LB.

[Snoogans]

Now trade Osi & a later pick to get into the late 1st, early 2nd & draft Weatherspoon at LB.

or move up enough to take mccourty in the 20's. need corners too


so much for that Crips

[JPMNICK]

Now trade Osi & a later pick to get into the late 1st, early 2nd & draft Weatherspoon at LB.

to late he went 19th

[TripleSkeet]

I love that these guys are acting all shocked that Jimmy Claussen is dropping. Notre Dame fucking sucks anymore fools. They arent a powerhouse anymore. Anyone that takes Claussen will wind up with an even worse version of Rick Mirer.

[Crippler]

to late he went 19th

crap

[weekapaugjz]

I love that these guys are acting all shocked that Jimmy Claussen is dropping. Notre Dame fucking sucks anymore fools. They arent a powerhouse anymore. Anyone that takes Claussen will wind up with an even worse version of Rick Mirer.

I am so happy the bills didn't take him. There was a lot of talk about it.

[razorboy]

Poop.

[Snoogans]

what an awful pick houston

[Tenbatsuzen]

Who is Jenn Brown? I've never seen her before. Hottest girl in ESPN.

[STC-Dub]

Why do we care what the undrafted QB are thinking?

[Snoogans]

Why do we care what the undrafted QB are thinking?

those are the guys who should be crying

[Tenbatsuzen]

those are the guys who should be crying

http://politic.ology.com/files/2010/01/Tebow-Crying.jpg

OK, maybe you're right on this

[brettmojo]

Who is Jenn Brown? I've never seen her before. Hottest girl in ESPN.
http://upgrd.com/images/upload/jenn-brown-espn-reporter-6.jpg

The poor man's Erin Andrews.

[dereckfishboy]

Ugh, I'm so sick of hearing Tebow's stupid name....

[Snoogans]

steve young is the only one making sense tonight.

[brettmojo]

steve young is the only one making sense tonight.
On ESPN the guy with 11 concussions is making the most sense? Seems about right to me.

[HBox]

THIS is (possibly) the best NFL related news tonight. (http://kotaku.com/5522458/rise-and-fire-new-madden-vid-teases--gus-johnson)

[STC-Dub]

steve young is the only one making sense tonight.

Funny, I thought he was being one of the crying QB.

[Snoogans]

wow fuckin dallas. Thats a great move

[Snoogans]

im so confused by this draft

[STC-Dub]

Good pick.

[brettmojo]

wow fuckin dallas. Thats a great move
I didn't even think they had a pick in the 1st this year.

[STC-Dub]

They traded up to get the pick.

[Snoogans]

ok giants. Perfect time. osi to miami for the 28th and whatever else and take MCCOURTY. He will return kicks, help BIG as a CB and can block punts


DONT FUCKIN LET ME DOWN AGAIN. TAKE MCCOURTY. HE IS GONNA BE AWESOME

[brettmojo]

They traded up to get the pick.
It's a nice surprise. I'm stoked.

[Snoogans]

HAHAHAHAHA. what the fuck is goin on. STOP IT

[brettmojo]

Uh oh...

[Tenbatsuzen]

Tebow vs. Brady Quinn? Holy shit.

[STC-Dub]

WTF? Denver takes Teabow in the 1st round? What a stupid pick.

[Snoogans]

did they just ask who is on the clock? YOU ARE HOSTING

[weekapaugjz]

Tebow vs. Brady Quinn? Holy shit.

And neckbeard.

[Snoogans]

And neckbeard.

wow. Neckbeard is still the best one

[Tenbatsuzen]

Kiper is fucking apopleptic. Nice.

[STC-Dub]

They have a lot to do lime, umm, you know a lot of stuff.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The worst thing about Tebow getting drafted here is that we don't have a reaction shot of Claussen in CA.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Goodell had a PISSED look on his face hearing the drunkards yelling "TEBOW SUCKS!"

[epo]

I haven't laughed this hard in a long, long time.

Thank you Josh McDaniels.

[STC-Dub]

They traded up? Really? They traded up to take Tebow when Claussen was still around?

[Snoogans]

im floored. GIANTS BETTER BE TRADING WITH MIAMI AND GETTING DEVIN

[weekapaugjz]

Praise be to jeebus!

[dereckfishboy]

WOW.... Why would Denver give up that many picks for that over-hyped sack.....

[Tenbatsuzen]

AZ takes Claussen here? Maybe?

[Snoogans]

i wouldnt be shocked if denver trades quinn for picks tomorrow

[Snoogans]

WOW.... Why would Denver give up that many picks for that over-hyped sack.....

cause they got like 5 picks trading down

[dereckfishboy]

cause they got like 5 picks trading down

Still too much for a career backup, which is all I bet he winds up being.

[Snoogans]

forget anything i said about steve young making sense

[epo]

If Arizona passed on Jimmy Claussen, he must be terrible.

[STC-Dub]

Still too much for a career backup, which is all I bet he winds up being.

Nah, they will give him a chance to fail as the starter first.

[Snoogans]

If Arizona passed on Jimmy Claussen, he must be terrible.

Minn then? it would fit

[epo]

Minn then? it would fit

That would be awesome.

[Snoogans]

did these guys forget that Dan LeFevour is in this draft?

[Snoogans]

I would draft Tom Savage right now over Tebow for QB. What the fuck man

[Tenbatsuzen]

AZ is still gonna move forward with Leinart? Really?

[Snoogans]

damn you NE. Thats a great, PERFECT pick for them

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2008/05/13/hulk.jpg

[STC-Dub]

Someone needs to shut Steve Young up.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm so fucking pissed. SO. FUCKING. PISSED.

[Snoogans]

New England just hit a HR i think. He is the perfect guy for them.

[Snoogans]

jets should take javid best

[STC-Dub]

Did Young suffer a concussion tonight?

[STC-Dub]

Nice pick, going to be tough to pass against the Jets.

[KnoxHarrington]

jets should take javid best

Time to bust out this video:

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[Snoogans]

Time to bust out this video:

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you cant actually. Still a pretty good pick.

[Snoogans]

this is interesting:

Osi Umenyiora will not be traded, New York Giants team owner John Mara told ESPNNewYork.com on Thursday night.

"Osi is going to play for us in 2010," Mara pledged by phone.


being they drafted an ATHLETIC FREAK who is still raw. They are gonna stand up JPP and play in outside. Like suggs

[Tenbatsuzen]

Time to bust out this video:

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Since 2006:

4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson T Virginia 4* 4*
29 Nick Mangold C Ohio State 4* 4*
2007 14 Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh 3* 3* [31]
2008 6 Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State 2* 2*
30 Dustin Keller TE Purdue 2* 2* [32]
2009 5 Mark Sanchez QB USC 1* 1* [33]

The only bust in that group is Gholston.

[razorboy]

Jahvid Best is a stud.

[weekapaugjz]

I find it hilarious that clausen has been kiper's best available since like pick 5.

[razorboy]

I find it hilarious that clausen has been kiper's best available since like pick 5.

They're the fighting foreheads.

[epo]

I find it hilarious that clausen has been kiper's best available since like pick 5.

While I think that Claussen is horrible, I remember Aaron Rodgers having that exact same problem on Kiper's board.

[Tenbatsuzen]

While I think that Claussen is horrible, I remember Aaron Rodgers having that exact same problem on Kiper's board.

Didn't Rogers go in the first round though?

[razorboy]

While I think that Claussen is horrible, I remember Aaron Rodgers having that exact same problem on Kiper's board.

Jimmy couldn't compare to Rodgers. Clausen has infant arms and hands to go along with waterhead intellect.

[KnoxHarrington]

Jimmy couldn't compare to Rodgers. Clausen has infant arms and hands to go along with waterhead intellect.

Oh you big silly

http://www.rollbamaroll.com/images/admin/Jimmy_20Clausenfruity.jpg

[razorboy]

Oh you big silly

http://www.rollbamaroll.com/images/admin/Jimmy_20Clausenfruity.jpg

He looks like a fucking gay babyhanded EMU.

[epo]

Jimmy couldn't compare to Rodgers. Clausen has infant arms and hands to go along with waterhead intellect.

I can't wait for Claussen to reunite with Charlie Weis in KC. Its the perfect marriage of retard.

[Mitch&Murray]

I find it hilarious that clausen has been kiper's best available since like pick 5.

actually since pick one at 7 pm
:lol:

[Snoogans]

I can't wait for Claussen to reunite with Charlie Weis in KC. Its the perfect marriage of retard.

apparently the browns are talkin to the rams about moving to the first pick tonight

[Crippler]

OK Mr. Reese, you still need an inside LB. Sean Lee, LinebackerU, make it happen tonight!

[Snoogans]

OK Mr. Reese, you still need an inside LB. Sean Lee, LinebackerU, make it happen tonight!

i dont know. i think they have eyes on moving Kiwi back to LB now or moving JPP there.

JPP:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5118154

these pricks at ESPN wont let me embed

[Crippler]

If they're going to move Kiwi back to LB, they probably shouldn't trade Osi. Having a healthy rotation on the DL worked so well a couple of years ago, keeping everyone fresh. I don't know, I trust Reese, but I really would like to see them draft a real LB instead of moving guys around just because they're good athletes & you assume they can adjust.

[Snoogans]

If they're going to move Kiwi back to LB, they probably shouldn't trade Osi. Having a healthy rotation on the DL worked so well a couple of years ago, keeping everyone fresh. I don't know, I trust Reese, but I really would like to see them draft a real LB instead of moving guys around just because they're good athletes & you assume they can adjust.

they already said they arent trading Osi. Thats why I figure one of them is moving to LB

[Snoogans]

watch that video too. you will see

[Crippler]

I saw that episode of Sports Science...no doubt, he's a beast...he's fucking enormous for a 4-3 LB. Could be a genius move, who knows.

[Snoogans]

I saw that episode of Sports Science...no doubt, he's a beast...he's fucking enormous for a 4-3 LB. Could be a genius move, who knows.

he is so raw i think thats why it works. Whatever you have him do you will have to teach him so you can move him around and have him do different things. And for now just try to put him in places where he can just go do his thing

[KnoxHarrington]

Ratings are in: they're up 26% from last year.

Plus, they crushed both NBA playoff games last night, even though they featured the league's two biggest stars, LeBron James and Kobe Bryant.

I'd say this kind of worked out for them.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2010/04/nfl-draft-topped-nba-playoffs-in-tv-ratings/1

[epo]

Claussen and McCoy still on the board. Hilarious!

[TripleSkeet]

This draft has me so aggrivated. I just dont get Andy Reid. Apparently hes got an eye on 10-12 big 7th round sleepers.

[Snoogans]

This draft has me so aggrivated. I just dont get Andy Reid. Apparently hes got an eye on 10-12 big 7th round sleepers.

Nate Allen isnt bad bro. you fucked up the first round and i dont really know anything about the 3rd round kid. But Allen will be fine