2010 New York Yankees - Defending WS Champions Discussion

[Crippler]

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Pitchers & catchers report to Spring Training on Thursday. Who grabs the 5th spot in the rotation? Where exactly does everyone wind up in the outfield? What does the bullpen look like?

Let the discussions, and subsequent hatred, begin!

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(woohoo! Big Ass Vet status in just under 9 years!)

[Section 8]

5th spot in the rotation: Chamberlain

Bullpen: Hughes for the 8th, Rivera in the 9th. Unless Melancon does very well in Spring Training, then I can see him setting up Rivera with Hughes taking over 7th inning (in case someone has a meltdown. I'm looking at you, AJ!)

Outfield: I think Gardner will win the left field job. Making it Gardner, Granderson, Swisher (L-R). I think Winn will be the 4th outfielder, playing center when lefties are pitching and playing one of the corners to give the others a day off.

[A.J.]

Worst thread ever.

[TheGameHHH]

I can't fucking wait for baseball season.

[JPMNICK]

I can't fucking wait for baseball season.

me too.

I think Hughes takes the 5th starter, and Joba to the bullpen

[HBox]

Let's start taking bets on when Nick Johnson hits the DL. I say first stint sometime in June and second stint no later than August 4th.

[zildjian361]

Pitcher's and Catcher's tommorow :thumbup:we got some new blood we can REPEAT:clap:

[zildjian361]

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Pitchers & catchers report to Spring Training on Thursday. Who grabs the 5th spot in the rotation? Where exactly does everyone wind up in the outfield? What does the bullpen look like?

Let the discussions, and subsequent hatred, begin!

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(woohoo! Big Ass Vet status in just under 9 years!)

I Do think that Joe Giradi will be wearing #28 this year:smoke::drunk:

[Meataball23]

Joba's natural role is in the pen. Put me 100% in the francessa camp there. Give me hughes as the 5th man in the rotation, joba in the 8th, and the kid they got for melky to supplant damaso as the go to lefty guy.

I think gardner is the everyday cf; really think he is a more natural cf w/ better arm, range, and reaction than granderson (who I think is going to be excellent) as the stud left fielder and obviously swish sticks as the everyday rf.

Im sold on the OF rotation UNLESS the janks want to get grandy accustomed to cf when they make a run (and get) carl crawford for lf in 2011.

Nick Johnson makes the first of his two obligatory DL stints in late may, which paves the way for jesus montero's first call up! Cant wait to see the big fella (natural dh not a catcher) hit.

I really expect great things from javy vazquez in his second go round, and im nervous about potential injuries to pettitte and burnett - both injury concern type guys.

Cannot wait for baseball to get going

[TheGameHHH]

I have ALWAYS been in the "Joba should be a starter" camp and I'm still there. With that said, if Hughes out pitches him then clearly there's no place for him other than the bullpen. If that's the case, he belongs there till further notice.

As for the Nick Johnson DL stint, HBox you're giving him way too much credit. May 10th is the date, lock it up.

[Crippler]

Worst thread ever.

[Ronnie B]Uh, caller, where ya calling from?[/Ronnie B]

http://www.ronfez.net/randomizer/random.php?uid=153
Red Sox Nation

[Ronnie B]oooooh, OK![/Ronnie B] :smile:

I can't fucking wait for baseball season.

Seconded! This is the worst month of the year & as someone who could care less about March Madness, April 4th can't get here soon enough. Tomorrow is the first glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

I have ALWAYS been in the "Joba should be a starter" camp and I'm still there. With that said, if Hughes out pitches him then clearly there's no place for him other than the bullpen. If that's the case, he belongs there till further notice.

As for the Nick Johnson DL stint, HBox you're giving him way too much credit. May 10th is the date, lock it up.

Yeah, I was definitely taking the under on HBox's June guess.

[Mitch&Murray]

Pitchers and Catchers report Today!!!!:clap:

[Section 8]

I think Nick Johnson will start the season on the DL, miss first two weeks, then he'll be good until just after the All-Star Break, where he'll go back on for another week or so.

Pretty sure that Girardi is wearing 28 this year. Granderson will be wearing another #.

[disneyspy]

Pitchers and Catchers report Today!!!!:clap:

then this thread will die

yes i know there are no pitchers here

[JPMNICK]

I have ALWAYS been in the "Joba should be a starter" camp and I'm still there. With that said, if Hughes out pitches him then clearly there's no place for him other than the bullpen. If that's the case, he belongs there till further notice.

As for the Nick Johnson DL stint, HBox you're giving him way too much credit. May 10th is the date, lock it up.

I fought my father every day last year, saying Joba should start. Especially after the all star break, he had 2-3 great starts in a row I thought he put it together. then, as the season went on, he fell apart a little more each time.

my arguement last year was age, and some good coaching will help fix that. At the same time, they NEED a good 8th inning guy, and I think Phil is a better starter right now.

Such a tough call, I think long term Joba would be a great starter, but this year he needs to be a setup man.

Also, if we pulls it off well, he works himself into the 9th inning man 2 years from now when Mo is gone.

[Doctor Z]

15th!

[Meataball23]

I think Nick Johnson will start the season on the DL, miss first two weeks, then he'll be good until just after the All-Star Break, where he'll go back on for another week or so.

Pretty sure that Girardi is wearing 28 this year. Granderson will be wearing another #.

Girardi is 28 Grandy is wearing 14

[El Mudo]

EDIT

Never mind.

[zildjian361]

Girardi is 28 Grandy is wearing 14

I think Giradi wearing #28 is hack:thumbdown:

[Hottub]

I think Giradi wearing #28 is hack:thumbdown:

Opening Day we can hoist pints at Tommy's and boo Girardi.

You're buying.:drunk:

[zildjian361]

Opening Day we can hoist pints at Tommy's and boo Girardi.

You're buying.:drunk:

Hell Ya Johnny :smile:::smoke::drunk:

[sailor]

Just added chan ho park.

[CaptainBlowhole]

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Warming-the-bat.gif

[Doctor Z]

They say Chan Ho can't drive, but can Chan Ho Park?! WAKKA WAKKA!

PS - Why does Mark Teixeira look like a chubby 12-year old in this interview?
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7172481&c_id=nyy&topic_id=7647864

[Mitch&Murray]

They say Chan Ho can't drive, but can Chan Ho Park?! WAKKA WAKKA!

PS - Why does Mark Teixeira look like a chubby 12-year old in this interview?
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7172481&c_id=nyy&topic_id=7647864

Hes trying to hide his receding hairline with that silly haircut.

46 hours till first preseason game!!!!

[Doctor Z]

In less than 12 hours, life begins anew.

[Mitch&Murray]

YANKEE BASEBALL !!!!
:clap:

[Mitch&Murray]

Jeter and Granderson both 0-2 today Im a little worried
:laugh:

[Doctor Z]

Looks like the Yankees have carried over the "walkoff" trend from 2009. No pie though... Tough economy. Gotta reserve the pies for games that count.

[vjr97]

they are going to win it again once they trade for another big bat that could DH+OF

[zildjian361]

Looks like the Yankees have carried over the "walkoff" trend from 2009. No pie though... Tough economy. Gotta reserve the pies for games that count.

What was his name:lol:

[Doctor Z]

His name was Robert Paulson.




...Colin Curtis.

[razorboy]

In less than 12 hours, life begins anew.

In less than twelve hours, your outfield is absolute dreck.

[Doctor Z]

The good thing about replacing Matsui with Nick Johnson is that he's not injury prone at all.

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100304&content_id=8673822&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

[zildjian361]

[QUOTE=Doctor Z;2679557]They say Chan Ho can't drive, but can Chan Ho Park?! WAKKA WAKKA!


Now that's hack :wink:

[TheGameHHH]

The good thing about replacing Matsui with Nick Johnson is that he's not injury prone at all.

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100304&content_id=8673822&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

i think we all lost the DL pool already, 2 games into spring training!

[TheGameHHH]

ouch, the pitching hasnt looked very good so far this spring. very few bright spots.

[Tenbatsuzen]

ouch, the pitching hasnt looked very good so far this spring. very few bright spots.

Dude, it's three games into spring training, and Joba was in bed with stomach flu two days ago.

[TheGameHHH]

Dude, it's three games into spring training, and Joba was in bed with stomach flu two days ago.

yea i know, im not fussing about starters. i know what theyre doing in just trying to get work in. im just not digging a lot of the things the pen has been bringing thus far.

[Doctor Z]

And now with the Cervelli suffering with the concussion already, WHAT IS IT!

http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/archives/Steve%2520Somers.jpg

[Contra]

Dude, it's three games into spring training, and Joba was in bed with stomach flu two days ago.

Thank you, you can't take this team seriously until about three quarters into the season.

[TheGameHHH]

Hughes won the 5th spot, Joba back to the pen.

[JPMNICK]

Hughes won the 5th spot, Joba back to the pen.

a lot of people will be happy. i wish i had the strength to watch francessa to see what he says

[zildjian361]

Hughes won the 5th spot, Joba back to the pen.

Good I agree. Does money matter to a pitcher if he starts or closes?

[TheGameHHH]

a lot of people will be happy. i wish i had the strength to watch francessa to see what he says

I've always let it be known that I fall in the Joba as a starter camp, but I really can't argue with the decision. Hughes just plain out pitched him this spring, Phil deserves the spot. And truth be told I'm really excited to see what he can do this year.

[JPMNICK]

I've always let it be known that I fall in the Joba as a starter camp, but I really can't argue with the decision. Hughes just plain out pitched him this spring, Phil deserves the spot. And truth be told I'm really excited to see what he can do this year.

i am in the same boat. I really do think Joba would be an awesome starter, but it seems he is a bit of a mental case. remember after games last year, when he pitched terrible, he would talk post game like it was a decent start.

[zildjian361]

YANKS Were 71-2 after the 6th last year. close it out Joba Moe

[TheGameHHH]

i am in the same boat. I really do think Joba would be an awesome starter, but it seems he is a bit of a mental case. remember after games last year, when he pitched terrible, he would talk post game like it was a decent start.

that never bothered me as much as it did others. baseball is a game where you really need to keep an even keel. you can never get too up or too down because the game has a very quick way of humbling you. maybe he gets a little too up at times, id like to see him be more humble. but i like that he doesnt let bad starts bother him too much after. obviously he wants to pitch better but you can't let your past weigh on you too much.

[zildjian361]

that never bothered me as much as it did others. baseball is a game where you really need to keep an even keel. you can never get too up or too down because the game has a very quick way of humbling you. maybe he gets a little too up at times, id like to see him be more humble. but i like that he doesnt let bad starts bother him too much after. obviously he wants to pitch better but you can't let your past weigh on you too much.

I guess we agree to disagree you know how things change over 162,:wink:

[TheGameHHH]

I guess we agree to disagree you know how things change over 162,:wink:

true, its a long season

[zildjian361]

Yanks on now on YES ! 1-0:clap::smoke::drunk:

[Mitch&Murray]

Yanks on now on YES ! 1-0:clap::smoke::drunk:

The ambidextrous pitcher went today

[zildjian361]

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Pitchers & catchers report to Spring Training on Thursday. Who grabs the 5th spot in the rotation? Where exactly does everyone wind up in the outfield? What does the bullpen look like?

Let the discussions, and subsequent hatred, begin!

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(woohoo! Big Ass Vet status in just under 9 years!)

Tonight we get this on for Real CYA later:clap:

[TheGameHHH]

Jeter Is Risen

[Meataball23]

Cant wait. Im annoyed they have to start in Boston, but whatever im just suped baseball starts tonite

[brettmojo]

Anyone else going to opening day at the stadium?

[brettmojo]

Are they forgetting to announce anyone in Boston??? Maybe the janitors? Ticket booth operators? Concession folks? Hot Dog vendors? Mayor Medino?

[brettmojo]

Congratulations to Michael Kay for not even getting through the first 15 seconds of the baseball broadcast before fucking up. Apparently it's a beautiful night in BALTIMORE and the BASEALL season is now underway... :wallbash:

[HBox]

Congratulations to Michael Kay for not even getting through the first 15 seconds of the baseball broadcast before fucking up. Apparently it's a beautiful night in BALTIMORE and the BASEALL season is now underway... :wallbash:

I thought it would be at least the third inning before I start pining for Joe Morgan. I was wrong.

[NickyL0885]

Congratulations to Michael Kay for not even getting through the first 15 seconds of the baseball broadcast before fucking up. Apparently it's a beautiful night in BALTIMORE and the BASEALL season is now underway... :wallbash:

One reason Im glad i'm a Mets fan. Good announce team.

[zildjian361]

Congratulations to Michael Kay for not even getting through the first 15 seconds of the baseball broadcast before fucking up. Apparently it's a beautiful night in BALTIMORE and the BASEALL season is now underway... :wallbash:

I hear YA Brett:smoke::drunk:

[brettmojo]

One reason Im glad i'm a Mets fan. Good announce team.
Kay and Tino are the worst ones. Everyone else are pretty good. But Jack Curry can suck a fucking dick.

[zildjian361]

One reason Im glad i'm a Mets fan. Good announce team.

go to the Mets thread

[TheGameHHH]

well, good thing they made Beckett work in the first

[NickyL0885]

go to the Mets thread

I would but A) They suck this year and B) I got no where else to go!

[HBox]

I'm glad that YES finally updated it's 1995 graphics.

[HBox]

well, good thing they made Beckett work in the first

Stick a fork in em. These bums are DONE. Season over.

[TheGameHHH]

Stick a fork in em. These bums are DONE. Season over.

not sure if you remember this, but if the Yankees dont start 11-1 then the season is over. they can't afford to lose this game

[HBox]

not sure if you remember this, but if the Yankees dont start 11-1 then the season is over. they can't afford to lose this game

That's so 2007. This year they must go 13 - -1. That's right. In 12 games they need to win 13 and somehow lose a negative game.

[HBox]

You only get a discussion about a first baseman being able to simulate the sound of a ball hitting a glove with his mouth from Michael Kay. I guess Michael Winslow would be the best first baseman ever.

Kay is really in midseason form.

[K.C.]

Sterling's HR call for Granderson made me throw up in my mouth:

"Curtis....you're something kind of Grandish...."

[Tenbatsuzen]

You only get a discussion about a first baseman being able to simulate the sound of a ball hitting a glove with his mouth from Michael Kay. I guess Michael Winslow would be the best first baseman ever.

Kay is really in midseason form.

I can't wait for Tino to get into the booth and throttle him. Or at the very least, O'Neill smashing him upside the head with his 10th meal of the day.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm glad that YES finally updated it's 1995 graphics.

Eveyrthing is great EXCEPT for the score-pitchcount graphic. Should go across the top of the screen. Just being a big blob in the corner is really obnoxious.

[Tenbatsuzen]

go to the Mets thread

the mets are so toxic this year even people posting in their thread will get injured.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Andy Pettite just screamed "FUCK YOU, PEDROIA!"

[TheGameHHH]

what in the world possesed V-Mart to throw there?

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/modernmaterialist/2008/07/trapperkeeper3.JPG

LET RANDY WINN PITCH, JOE

[HBox]

Sterling's HR call for Granderson made me throw up in my mouth:

"Curtis....you're something kind of Grandish...."

That makes me hope Granderson never hits another home run while he is a Yankee.

[HBox]

what in the world possesed V-Mart to throw there?

He's just there to hit the ball.

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/modernmaterialist/2008/07/trapperkeeper3.JPG

TRADE MCNABB IN THE DIVISION, ANDY

[HBox]

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/modernmaterialist/2008/07/trapperkeeper3.JPG

TRADE MCNABB IN THE DIVISION, ANDY

I just keep telling myself that these huge offseason moves the Redskins move NEVER work out.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think the pitchcount is great, but they should break it up by balls and strikes.

[JPMNICK]

what do you think the homerun call for Nick Johnson is going to be

I hope it is "That one big Johnson from Nick"

[HBox]

what do you think the homerun call for Nick Johnson is going to be

I hope it is "That one big Johnson from Nick"

It will be whatever it was when Johnson was first with the Yanks. I'm sure it was something awful like "Just in the Nick of time!"

[JPMNICK]

It will be whatever it was when Johnson was first with the Yanks. I'm sure it was something awful like "Just in the Nick of time!"

yea i don't remember what it used to be,

[TheGameHHH]

It will be whatever it was when Johnson was first with the Yanks. I'm sure it was something awful like "Just in the Nick of time!"

oh god, i just cringed. its going to be that

[HBox]

oh god, i just cringed. its going to be that

If it is you just know that asshole shitfuck is gonna bust that out WHen he hits a solo HR in a 10-1 game the Yanks are losing with absolutely no shame and all the gusto as if it were a game-winning shot.

Luckily Nick doesn't hit too many HRs these days. Then again he hasn't played in New Yankee Stadium yet.

[epo]

Its great to see that Giardi is still hideous at handling a pitching staff.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If it is you just know that asshole shitfuck is gonna bust that out WHen he hits a solo HR in a 10-1 game the Yanks are losing with absolutely no shame and all the gusto as if it were a game-winning shot.

Luckily Nick doesn't hit too many HRs these days. Then again he hasn't played in New Yankee Stadium yet.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Kay and Sterling were like Mike and the Mad Dog. Great together, awful apart.

Sterling and Steiner were the best combination.

Waldman has allowed Sterling to get into so many bad habits and never calls him out.

AARON GUIEL! WITH A SMILE!

IT'S EASY BEING NICK GREEN!

[Dan 'Hampton]

Damaso indeed.

[TheGameHHH]

yea i know, im not fussing about starters. i know what theyre doing in just trying to get work in. im just not digging a lot of the things the pen has been bringing thus far.

said it in spring and im telling you now its going to be a problem all year. theres nobody in there that I have any confidence in.

[zildjian361]

tonight is a must Win Situation:wink:

[sailor]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Kay and Sterling were like Mike and the Mad Dog. Great together, awful apart.

Sterling and Steiner were the best combination.

Waldman has allowed Sterling to get into so many bad habits and never calls him out.

AARON GUIEL! WITH A SMILE!

IT'S EASY BEING NICK GREEN!

your 2nd line contradicts the 1st.

[brettmojo]

2007 Joba sighting.

Oh wait, ah shit... He pumped his fist. Lead story on Sportscenter tonight... JOBA CHANMBERLAIN OUT OF CONTROL. DISGRACES ALL OF BASEBALL ON THE MOUND.

[HBox]

OK, who were the assholes who wanted to trade Cano a couple years ago?

[brettmojo]

OK, who were the assholes who wanted to trade Cano a couple years ago?
Are they the same ones that said Joba should be a starter???

[HBox]

Are they the same ones that said Joba should be a starter???

He hasn't been good as a starter or a reliever in quite some time.

[Doctor Z]

Joba was so much better as a starter.

[HBox]

Joba was so much better as a starter.

Yeah, the smart move always was taking a career starter and elite prospect and never giving him a chance to start in the majors because he was good as a reliever for 2 months.

[Doctor Z]

You're a dork.

[HBox]

You're a dork.

You are a doo doo face.

[Doctor Z]

Then it's settled.

[Snoogans]

hbox, i know your opinion. If you have a really good pitcher, you would much rather get 200+ innings a year of that quality than say, 75.

But thats dumb and wrong. Esp since the pitcher was better as a reliever.

But assuming all things equal, wouldnt you rather have him have an effect on 65-70 GAMES as opposed to 30-35?

[Snoogans]

Joba was so much better as a starter.

Yeah, the smart move always was taking a career starter and elite prospect and never giving him a chance to start in the majors because he was good as a reliever for 2 months.

Agreed. He was a starter and thats what made you want to get him. Dont fuck around with him, use him for what you got him for.

[HBox]

hbox, i know your opinion. If you have a really good pitcher, you would much rather get 200+ innings a year of that quality than say, 75.

But thats dumb and wrong. Esp since the pitcher was better as a reliever.

But assuming all things equal, wouldnt you rather have him have an effect on 65-70 GAMES as opposed to 30-35?

At this point I think he should only get another shot at starting because of necessity. But I never said that he should always be a starter no matter what. I never even said he would definitely be a good or great starter. I only said that he should have an opportunity to start and be given time to prove himself. He failed that quite spectacularly the last half of last season.

But since he's gone back to being a reliever he hasn't been that good either. Which makes me think the problem isn't whether he starts or relieves. I think it might be mechanical. It seems like every time he goes out there his fastball velocity is different. I don't know why that is.

[brettmojo]

Memo to Joe Girardi... Marcus Thames blows.

[Snoogans]

At this point I think he should only get another shot at starting because of necessity. But I never said that he should always be a starter no matter what. I never even said he would definitely be a good or great starter. I only said that he should have an opportunity to start and be given time to prove himself. He failed that quite spectacularly the last half of last season.

But since he's gone back to being a reliever he hasn't been that good either. Which makes me think the problem isn't whether he starts or relieves. I think it might be mechanical. It seems like every time he goes out there his fastball velocity is different. I don't know why that is.

relax im just arguing against him starting and relieving. you know i could give a fuck either way. whatever ruins him and makes him suck, im all for it

[Snoogans]

At this point I think he should only get another shot at starting because of necessity. But I never said that he should always be a starter no matter what. I never even said he would definitely be a good or great starter. I only said that he should have an opportunity to start and be given time to prove himself. He failed that quite spectacularly the last half of last season.

But since he's gone back to being a reliever he hasn't been that good either. Which makes me think the problem isn't whether he starts or relieves. I think it might be mechanical. It seems like every time he goes out there his fastball velocity is different. I don't know why that is.

to address this, its because of: when he first came in to relieve, he let it go as hard as he could everytime. when you start, you cant do that, you have to save it. But they didnt have him save it by throwing the same just not as hard. they tried to make a few changes that would just make him not need to use his arm so hard. they tried to make him throw 90% legs 10% isntead of 50% 50% which is what a guy throwing all out used. they shoulda tried to just tell him do the same thing but lay off a little. They tweaked instead, and now i just dont think he knows how to get back to what he was doing

[Mitch&Murray]

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[TheGameHHH]

Always nice to take 2 of 3 in beantown

[spoon]

At this point I think he should only get another shot at starting because of necessity. But I never said that he should always be a starter no matter what. I never even said he would definitely be a good or great starter. I only said that he should have an opportunity to start and be given time to prove himself. He failed that quite spectacularly the last half of last season.

But since he's gone back to being a reliever he hasn't been that good either. Which makes me think the problem isn't whether he starts or relieves. I think it might be mechanical. It seems like every time he goes out there his fastball velocity is different. I don't know why that is.

Ooooo ah yah, I don't think this is even close to accurate.

[zildjian361]

Always nice to take 2 of 3 in beantown

In the Famous words of Meatloaf, 2 outta 3 aint bad. 750 pct. cya

[HBox]

Ooooo ah yah, I don't think this is even close to accurate.

What are you talking about

[spoon]

What are you talking about

u

[zildjian361]

Tino in the booth, the real #24:clap::smile:

[HBox]

u

Then prove it.

[HBox]

Tino in the booth, the real #24:clap::smile:

Is that the gay guy I'm hearing?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Is that the gay guy I'm hearing?

As much as I liked Cone's analysis, Tino's voice is 10x better than Cone.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Is that the gay guy I'm hearing?

I think the "gay voice" you're hearing is O'Neill with a cold.

[brettmojo]

IT'S AN INSIDE-BOMB!!! FROM A-ROD!!!

ok... not really.

[zildjian361]

Is that the gay guy I'm hearing?

Stay the Fuck outta this thread

[hanso]

Tha rays always own the yanks. ba ha ha.

[TheGameHHH]

Hey, thats the Javy Vazquez I know......leaving fastballs up in the zone and getting mashed

[hanso]

I thought it was one of dem slanty eyed pitchers you folks like so much.
Like dat fella. Chan Ho (hit it outa da) Park.

[TheGameHHH]

man, Cano pulled a serious Barry Bonds and admired the shit out of his HR

[underdog]

No hitter alert. Sabathia throwing a no-hitter. Everyone pay attention to the no-hitter.

[Mitch&Murray]

CC getting a ton of defense help

[spoon]

Then prove it.



Oh not this Joba in the pen bullshit AGAIN.

Way to do something even dumber than putting Joba in the bullpen.

He's only had 3 starts this season where he didn't make it at least into the 5th, and 1 or arguably 2 of them was because of injury.

Seriously, how good does he have to pitch for you to think he should start. Yeah, he throws a lot of pitches. Like every other young power strikeout pitcher before him.

EDITED because I screwed up something.

You really think they'd start Burnett or Pettitte in the playoffs over Joba? I'd hope not.


There is no question of could or would. If there is a chance that Joba can be a great, hell, even just good starter, you pursue. Who would rather have on your team, John Lackey or Scott Shields? Joel Zumaya or Justin Verlander? This is why I hated the idea of calling him up early to stick him in the bullpen years ago, because the calls to keep him there won't stop.

Combine that with the fact he's been the 2nd best starter on this team all year while putting up numbers that are good by any measure of judgment and flat out great for a pitcher of his age and with his experience and I have no idea why this keeps coming up. Even if he were struggling I would keep him in the rotation. The Royals were patient with Zack Grienke even though he was flat out awful and now they have been rewarded with the best pitcher in the game right now. It makes even less sense when people want to replace him in the rotation with Phil Hughes who has been struggling.

Next time you wonder why the Yanks don't develop young talent reevaluate this situation. You have a young starting pitcher who is performing very well and even that isn't good enough. No, let's just waste his entire development up until now so that we can plug a minor hole that could still be fixed in another way. This is like calling up Austin Jackson now to be only a late innings pinch runner. Who cares that he still needs time to develop into a great center fielder? We have a pressing need for late innings stolen bases!

At least when the Sox did what they did with Papelbon they actually used him as the closer AND, most importantly, they had loads of other starting prospects so they could afford to do so. The Yanks have Hughes who isn't ready yet and...........

That whole "replace Joba with Hughes" idea that you would prefer makes no sense. You are upset with how Joba is performing as a starter and you want to replace him with someone who was performing....... much worse than Joba.

And all for a marginal improvement in an already solid bullpen.

Come on H, for every Halladay and Greinke you give me, I could rattle off tons of names that go the other way. We're talking about Joba and Hughes here, so we'll just have to wait and see if Joba is in fact the non-asian Irabu or not later.

Man I hate to say this, and perhaps it's proof I'm wrong, but I agree with BDZ on Hughes and Joba. I truly think mental makeup has a ton to do with it as well. Employing this factor I see Joba having the close/setup mentality of coming out throwing 100% for an inning or two versus the grind of a starter employing strategy, conserving your are when possible, the weekly makeup and prep for each team (going through each batter multiple times) and of course utilizing each pitch in needed situations. Sure Posado and ur catching tandem could help in some of these areas, but the pitcher controls it overall. When I look at Hughes I truly see the one pitcher of the three BDC SWORE all could be aces that has the full makeup to be one. He's much more cerebral than Joba, has a deeper pitch selection and to me is your number 4/5 starter right now. Joba should be groomed as the possible replacement for Moe, setting him up almost daily, while Hughes left in the rotation so you could keep Wang in the minors for now as well (once back).

At this point Gaudin or Mitre makes more sense starting in the playoffs.

I LOVE how you actually were SOOOO up on Joba starting for no fucking reason other than bulldogcake's like hype that you actually stated he should start over both AJ Burnnett and Pettite, to Gaudin & Mitre make more sense! There were so many nonsensical posts to start last year on this topic I didn't even have room using a pretty quick and basic search of a single thread. I remember plenty of great comments in MLB thread I believe as well. I could be wrong like Hbox on Joba though.

[spoon]

No hitter alert. Sabathia throwing a no-hitter. Everyone pay attention to the no-hitter.

So you're saying the Rays have no hits yet, through almost an ENTIRE 8 innings?

Not one hit?

No hits?

[spoon]

nice!

[Furtherman]

There's one.

[TheGameHHH]

No hitter alert. Sabathia throwing a no-hitter. Everyone pay attention to the no-hitter.

f your face

[HBox]

I LOVE how you actually were SOOOO up on Joba starting for no fucking reason other than bulldogcake's like hype that you actually stated he should start over both AJ Burnnett and Pettite, to Gaudin & Mitre make more sense! There were so many nonsensical posts to start last year on this topic I didn't even have room using a pretty quick and basic search of a single thread. I remember plenty of great comments in MLB thread I believe as well. I could be wrong like Hbox on Joba though.

If you had any reading comprehension and any kind of ability to think reasonably about anything relating to the Yankees you'd realize that none of that goes against what I wrote.

Way to do something even dumber than putting Joba in the bullpen.

Yeah, I was wrong about Hughes in the bullpen. I don't see how that has anything to do with what I wrote but I guess since you obviously couldn't find anything you just had to find other stuff that makes me look bad.

He's only had 3 starts this season where he didn't make it at least into the 5th, and 1 or arguably 2 of them was because of injury.

Seriously, how good does he have to pitch for you to think he should start. Yeah, he throws a lot of pitches. Like every other young power strikeout pitcher before him.

EDITED because I screwed up something.

You really think they'd start Burnett or Pettitte in the playoffs over Joba? I'd hope not.

I posted those on June 3rd last year. In his first 9 starts that took place up to the beginning of June he had 9 starts, 55.1 innings, 46 Ks, 25 BBs and 20 ERs for about a 3.25 ERA and a 1.28 WHIP.

FYI in that time frame AJ had 10 starts, 64 innings, 57 Ks, 31 BBs and 34 ERs for a 4.78 ERA and a 1.41 WHIP. Pettitte had 10 starts, 63.2 innings, 34 Ks, 23 BBs and 29 ERs for a 4.09 ERA and a 1.47 WHIP.

Sorry I couldn't read the future at that point and instead just looked at how they were pitching at that point. Things obviously changed.

There is no question of could or would. If there is a chance that Joba can be a great, hell, even just good starter, you pursue. Who would rather have on your team, John Lackey or Scott Shields? Joel Zumaya or Justin Verlander? This is why I hated the idea of calling him up early to stick him in the bullpen years ago, because the calls to keep him there won't stop.

Combine that with the fact he's been the 2nd best starter on this team all year while putting up numbers that are good by any measure of judgment and flat out great for a pitcher of his age and with his experience and I have no idea why this keeps coming up. Even if he were struggling I would keep him in the rotation. The Royals were patient with Zack Grienke even though he was flat out awful and now they have been rewarded with the best pitcher in the game right now. It makes even less sense when people want to replace him in the rotation with Phil Hughes who has been struggling.

Next time you wonder why the Yanks don't develop young talent reevaluate this situation. You have a young starting pitcher who is performing very well and even that isn't good enough. No, let's just waste his entire development up until now so that we can plug a minor hole that could still be fixed in another way. This is like calling up Austin Jackson now to be only a late innings pinch runner. Who cares that he still needs time to develop into a great center fielder? We have a pressing need for late innings stolen bases!

At least when the Sox did what they did with Papelbon they actually used him as the closer AND, most importantly, they had loads of other starting prospects so they could afford to do so. The Yanks have Hughes who isn't ready yet and...........

I posted this June 4th last year. If you want to challenge anything you are welcome to. I mean it was cute the way you posted all this, making it seem as if I was posting this while Joba was clearly failing as a starter but that is sadly not the case. Yes, I thought Joba would be a good, if not great starter by this now. I was wrong. But my argument was always the above, and it never included anything like "Joba will definitely be a great starter so keep him out of the bullpen." He had the potential to be a great starter, was a starter prospect his entire career and to throw all away because he was great as a reliever for a few months was silly.

But again, nothing here goes against what I posted. At the point of the post you quoted Joba was performing better than AJ or Pettitte.

That whole "replace Joba with Hughes" idea that you would prefer makes no sense. You are upset with how Joba is performing as a starter and you want to replace him with someone who was performing....... much worse than Joba.

And all for a marginal improvement in an already solid bullpen.

Again, I don't know why this is being pointed out other than to make me look bad for something other than what you called me out for.

At this point Gaudin or Mitre makes more sense starting in the playoffs.

This was posted September 9th, 3 months of lousy Joba starts that got worse and worse after those June posts. What was I supposed to do? Ignore all that because Joba was pitching really well as of June 3rd? As of June 3rd Joba was the best pitcher on the staff behind CC. As of September 9th Joba could barely get past the 3rd inning on a regular basis and Mitre and Gaudin were better than he was.

But let's go back to what I posted.

But I never said that he should always be a starter no matter what.

And I didn't. In fact you actually proved that what I posted was true. So thanks for that.

I never even said he would definitely be a good or great starter. I only said that he should have an opportunity to start and be given time to prove himself.

And I didn't. In fact you quoted a post that further clarified my point. So thanks again.

[hanso]

Rubber match sunday?

[spoon]

TO THE PEN you fucking fat faced pig!

[spoon]

"But I never said that he should always be a starter no matter what. I never even said he would definitely be a good or great starter. I only said that he should have an opportunity to start and be given time to prove himself. He failed that quite spectacularly the last half of last season."

You're right H, you never said he would "DEFINITELY be a ... GREAT starter" exactly as written, but you also NEVER said "he should have an opportunity to start and be given time to prove himself" exactly either. Semantics my friend. I looked for a few minutes and read a few posts, all of which you were wrong, DEAD wrong. You're trying to claim indirectly now that you are in fact right in this equation bc you simply thought he needed a little shot at starting verus going back to the pen where he was actually good. Sorry, this "i never said he should always be a starter" and "I never even said he would definitely be a good or great starter" tact is nothing short of a cop out.

[spoon]

Oh and take this garbage molina back please. He's easily the worst of the three and older than dspy and gvac combined. SOOOOoooo awful.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Oh and take this garbage molina back please. He's easily the worst of the three and older than dspy and gvac combined. SOOOOoooo awful.

Sorry, we've got our expensive free agent signed ca-- wait, what's that? We've got two home grown catchers and one waiting the wings?

[Tenbatsuzen]

man, Cano pulled a serious Barry Bonds and admired the shit out of his HR

With the way he crushed that shit, wouldn't you admire it too? I think that ball landed in the fucking Gulf.

[zildjian361]

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/1548180/382830140.jpg

Pitchers & catchers report to Spring Training on Thursday. Who grabs the 5th spot in the rotation? Where exactly does everyone wind up in the outfield? What does the bullpen look like?

Let the discussions, and subsequent hatred, begin!

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/1548180/382830914.jpg

(woohoo! Big Ass Vet status in just under 9 years!)

10 Zip:smoke::drunk:

[HBox]

"But I never said that he should always be a starter no matter what. I never even said he would definitely be a good or great starter. I only said that he should have an opportunity to start and be given time to prove himself. He failed that quite spectacularly the last half of last season."

You're right H, you never said he would "DEFINITELY be a ... GREAT starter" exactly as written, but you also NEVER said "he should have an opportunity to start and be given time to prove himself" exactly either. Semantics my friend. I looked for a few minutes and read a few posts, all of which you were wrong, DEAD wrong. You're trying to claim indirectly now that you are in fact right in this equation bc you simply thought he needed a little shot at starting verus going back to the pen where he was actually good. Sorry, this "i never said he should always be a starter" and "I never even said he would definitely be a good or great starter" tact is nothing short of a cop out.

It was a good idea to give him a chance to be a starter, and yes I was wrong in thinking that he'd succeed in the majors. If a similar scenario popped up again with a young starter prospect being put in the bullpen and dominating and then putting him in the starting rotation the following season I'd do it again. I'd do it every time. It's ridiculous to throw away any chance of developing a starter to get a reliever. And it's not like this didn't work out. They still won the WS last year and now Joba is in bullpen. It cost the Yankees nothing to try and develop him as a starter.

But you called me out for lying and you were fucking wrong and this backsliding means nothing. And I could go back and search through your posts and point out every time you were wrong about something but I realize that's just distracting from the issue at hand.

[Tenbatsuzen]

But you called me out for lying and you were fucking wrong and this backsliding means nothing. And I could go back and search through your posts and point out every time you were wrong about something but I realize that's just distracting from the issue at hand.

Actually, it's not, really. It's totally Spoon's MO. He'll totally jump on you if you say something wrong, but if he's proven wrong, then he'll just be quiet and act like it never happened. He'll also act like he's been slighted and scream "racism" when he's losing a war he can't win.

[spoon]

Actually, it's not, really. It's totally Spoon's MO. He'll totally jump on you if you say something wrong, but if he's proven wrong, then he'll just be quiet and act like it never happened. He'll also act like he's been slighted and scream "racism" when he's losing a war he can't win.

Yah, and it's ur mo to be a complete pussy and talk shit and back absolutely zero up. Mark my words asshole, your day will come and I can't fucking wait. You acting like that wasn't your intention is nothing short of a fucking lie. So fuck yourself and go love ur new catchers bc I'm sure they'll be the reason the yanks win too. Oh and by the way, Cervelli is an international free agent cunt face. Another great argument by a man who rips on mentally challenged kids on blogs bc they annoy him. Class act sums you up fine.

[spoon]

Oh and I guess "quiet" is how you describe my reaction to our debacle? That's cute.

[spoon]

Ooooo ah yah, I don't think this is even close to accurate.

I believe this means you were twisting your take on the whole Joba argument. I pretty much showed that clearly. The argument WAS should he go back to the pen after failing as a starter or remain in a position he has shown no ability to handle at the top level or even close. In fact, I added my comments on the mentality needed for both roles and just as easily could have added many more as counterpoints from Z, Kevin and others as well. Perhaps we're looking at this from different views, but to me your original statement is clearly an evasive tactic regarding the whole argument.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Oh and I guess "quiet" is how you describe my reaction to our debacle? That's cute.

NHL thread. My original post said the rangers had to win 2 in regulation and you fucking pounced on it like I was wrong and I made a mention of winning in overtime. You were wrong.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Yah, and it's ur mo to be a complete pussy and talk shit and back absolutely zero up. Mark my words asshole, your day will come and I can't fucking wait. You acting like that wasn't your intention is nothing short of a fucking lie. So fuck yourself and go love ur new catchers bc I'm sure they'll be the reason the yanks win too. Oh and by the way, Cervelli is an international free agent cunt face. Another great argument by a man who rips on mentally challenged kids on blogs bc they annoy him. Class act sums you up fine.

Classic spoon. Using a deflection point to strengthen his point of view when the deflection has absolutely nothing to do with the point at hand.

You are absolutely transparent and I couldn't believe how I didn't see how weak you were before. E-threats, internet muscles, you are seriously one of the biggest losers on this board. Awesome.

EDIT: And just to point out something, Spoon - you only come in here to be antagonistic. Period. You don't debate, you shout people down and then whine like a bitch if something is doled out in your direction. You're Mike Francesa without the three #1s.

[spoon]

Classic spoon. Using a deflection point to strengthen his point of view when the deflection has absolutely nothing to do with the point at hand.

You are absolutely transparent and I couldn't believe how I didn't see how weak you were before. E-threats, internet muscles, you are seriously one of the biggest losers on this board. Awesome.

Cute again, I love this new act you have going. Talk about awesome, you should post your blog or some of your out of the blue awesome IMs about just idiotic topics bc you have no friends to actual IM. Oh wait, I forgot, you thought we were friends as you stated at other times when I had the balls to rip you back when you talk down to people all over the board.

No deflection here at all, you just thought you'd be an ass once again and I'm happy to call you the putrid whiny racist fuck you are any time you need it. Weak is talking smack and not even having the balls to admit your intentions. Weak is getting fucked up in the ring by a guy twice ur age and half ur size. Weak is constantly going personal in attacks about situations you know nothing about as you did with Gvac. You have nothing else other than throwing out personal barbs and then hiding behind lies and playing coy.

Bottom line, we were having an argument about football and you slipped in a classic passive aggressive (this time racist) line for no other reason but being yourself isn't something you can turn off.

[spoon]

NHL thread. My original post said the rangers had to win 2 in regulation and you fucking pounced on it like I was wrong and I made a mention of winning in overtime. You were wrong.

Ha! Really!?! HAHAHAHAhahaha. It was a simple misread bc I was working, yes it seemingly said "regulation", YOU WIN! ahahahahah!

I was quiet bc I was sooooo shamed!


ahahahaha!

Outstanding you vagina!

Here's a clue, if that pissed you off, post it. Stay the fuck out of my conversations with others so I don't have to smack you around like the bitch you are. Truly you can't have a friend in real life anywhere. Your act is so tiresome.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And about Cervelli... he was a total scrub free agent that was hitting 180 in Double A ball when he was brought up on an Emergency basis last year... yeah, that's the evil Yankees seeking out the talent and outbidding other teams for the services of the cream of the crop players... die in a fire

[spoon]

Not to mention I didn't even attack you in that post, just said u were off. I misread ur post, you got me!

:lol:

[Tenbatsuzen]

Cute again, I love this new act you have going. Talk about awesome, you should post your blog or some of your out of the blue awesome IMs about just idiotic topics bc you have no friends to actual IM. Oh wait, I forgot, you thought we were friends as you stated at other times when I had the balls to rip you back when you talk down to people all over the board.

No deflection here at all, you just thought you'd be an ass once again and I'm happy to call you the putrid whiny racist fuck you are any time you need it. Weak is talking smack and not even having the balls to admit your intentions. Weak is getting fucked up in the ring by a guy twice ur age and half ur size. Weak is constantly going personal in attacks about situations you know nothing about as you did with Gvac. You have nothing else other than throwing out personal barbs and then hiding behind lies and playing coy.

Bottom line, we were having an argument about football and you slipped in a classic passive aggressive (this time racist) line for no other reason but being yourself isn't something you can turn off.

If you want to continue to call me racist, I might as well embrace it, since it bothers you so much.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Not to mention I didn't even attack you in that post, just said u were off. I misread ur post, you got me!

:lol:

funny how you think you can glean me being racist from certain things, and I can glean you being a small-dicked "LOOK I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG" self-righteous attitude from every post.

[spoon]

And about Cervelli... he was a total scrub free agent that was hitting 180 in Double A ball when he was brought up on an Emergency basis last year... yeah, that's the evil Yankees seeking out the talent and outbidding other teams for the services of the cream of the crop players... die in a fire

AHahhahahaha! That's beside the point, without him as a international FREE AGENT signing, where are the yanks with catching right now!? And don't you think him hitting better in the majors versus the minors has ANYTHING to do with the pitches he's seeing as the only decent chance at an out in the lineup. Hmmmmm, Cervelli or the Arod/Jeter/Tex/Granderson/Cano? Yah, let's pitch around Cervelli!

And they signed him at around 17 years of age for good money anywhere that most teams can't shell out for sing A players or less. So yah, they weren't throwing money around at even a low level as well! Not to mention he has hit around .300 at ever level by the way (.273 overall in 5 years), not the .180 (.190 actually) data you picked for your point last year when there for 16 games due to bouncing bt many levels.

Oh and thanks Norton!

[Tenbatsuzen]

AHahhahahaha! That's beside the point, without him as a international FREE AGENT signing, where are the yanks with catching right now!?

http://2000magazine.com/websightsthree/yankeesmagazine/NEWPAGES2/pictures/jorge%20posada.jpg

(ps, he was drafted)

[spoon]

funny how you think you can glean me being racist from certain things, and I can glean you being a small-dicked "LOOK I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG" self-righteous attitude from every post.

Ooooo, I want to play the what did I glean today game too.


I glean your going to the dick joke crutch already and it's truly sad.

[spoon]

Yeah! 1 of 5 and you get to keep him too if you want! Go yanks! How do u pull it off!? I love a true underdog!

[spoon]

Oh and who the fuck says glean!? Really? Wow ur soooo smart!

[Tenbatsuzen]

It takes you three posts to say so little. There's an edit button. use it.

[spoon]

so weak

go racist, it's ur only out and a befitting approach!

[spoon]

9

The over/under on how many text/PM/IM combinations Tenbats sent to the likes of Jon, Fallon and Eli.

Any takers!?

[Kevin]

9

The over/under on how many text/PM/IM combinations Tenbats sent to the likes of Jon, Fallon and Eli.

Any takers!?

Double or nothing?!?!?!:?!

[spoon]

Double or nothing?!?!?!:?!

Depends on which way ur going with, and I quote, "the angriest man you know"!

[Tenbatsuzen]

9

The over/under on how many text/PM/IM combinations Tenbats sent to the likes of Jon, Fallon and Eli.

Any takers!?

Yes, we're all in the racism staff lounge. Eli runs it, he's Ivy racist, don't cha know.

Fallon, with his Boston heritage, racism is a science for him.

[Tenbatsuzen]

it's really disconcerting for me, as racist as I am, to have derek jeter be my favorite ball player.

just doesn't make sense.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Spoon, it's no wonder you hate the Yankees, they got rid of the good Asian player. Musta been racism.

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, little known fact? The avatar? He was GAY. And had AIDS.

[spoon]

Yes, we're all in the racism staff lounge. Eli runs it, he's Ivy racist, don't cha know.

Fallon, with his Boston heritage, racism is a science for him.

Cute AGAIN. Nice LUMPING technique, but sorry, ur the racist. I get it though, you have a black "friend" and love those bastards to play ball for you.

[slurp mercury]

BTW, little known fact? The avatar? He was GAY. And had AIDS.

OOOOoo, can I meet this guy?

[slurp mercury]

Had NOOOO clue who that was.

Such a mystery bc ur such a deep, enlightened man-o-the-town.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Cute AGAIN. Nice LUMPING technique, but sorry, ur the racist. I get it though, you have a black "friend" and love those bastards to play ball for you.

Just so I get your mindset, how exactly does calling you "tila" translate into me 1) mocking your girlfriend and 2) being racist?

I'm not trying to troll, I'm just want to see how you made the leap.


I mean, someone edited Snoogan's wikipedia to call him an asian woman. Did you take insult at that?

[slurp mercury]

BTW, little known fact? The avatar? He was GAY. And had AIDS.

Unless of course ur speaking of yourself and it's an homage pic taken at your favorite rest stop vista point overlooking the Hudson River on the Palisades Parkway?

I'm so sorry to hear you've contracted HIV/Aids Matt.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Unless of course ur speaking of yourself and it's an homage pic taken at your favorite rest stop vista point overlooking the Hudson River on the Palisades Parkway?

I'm so sorry to hear you've contracted HIV/Aids Matt.

That's awfully homophobic.

[slurp mercury]

Just so I get your mindset, how exactly does calling you "tila" translate into me 1) mocking your girlfriend and 2) being racist?

I'm not trying to troll, I'm just want to see how you made the leap.


I mean, someone edited Snoogan's wikipedia to call him an asian woman. Did you take insult at that?

No asshole, bc it's a joke and those people are actually friends. You and I had a fight about fucking football and you decided you had the right to make an off handed comment to pick a personal fight you couldn't back up. You did it in your classic passive aggressive bs way and slipped it in when not one thing led us there. It's one thing to disagree, but you ALWAYS use this tact when sides aren't seeing eye to eye. It's your MO (since you seem so fond of giving us updates), and u were sour I backed up Greg when you made a personal attack on him without knowing a God damned thing. That's no leap asshole, it's called logic and fucking eyes. You can act like it still wasn't your intention all you want, but you clearly wouldn't lay out a harmless "joke" as you tried to play it off for some time bc you KNEW EXACTLY what you were doing. You even corrected many as to it NOT being what you later said it meant, bc others actually didn't like the tact as well. Argue all fucking day with me, I don't give two fucks, but backing up racist comments is something I'll hold you to, and you can count on it. I'm not saying I'm going to attack you physically, but I can promise u that us being in the same room won't be a good thing.

[slurp mercury]

That's awfully homophobic.

to someone like you who fears and loathes "different" people

[spoon]

BTW, little known fact? The avatar? He was GAY. And had AIDS.

By the way, little known fact? My avatar? He's black and white (like matty's favorite player), and was neutered. I have a black dog so I can't be racist!

[Tenbatsuzen]

No asshole, bc it's a joke and those people are actually friends. You and I had a fight about fucking football and you decided you had the right to make an off handed comment to pick a personal fight you couldn't back up. You did it in your classic passive aggressive bs way and slipped it in when not one thing led us there. It's one thing to disagree, but you ALWAYS use this tact when sides aren't seeing eye to eye. It's your MO (since you seem so fond of giving us updates), and u were sour I backed up Greg when you made a personal attack on him without knowing a God damned thing. That's no leap asshole, it's called logic and fucking eyes. You can act like it still wasn't your intention all you want, but you clearly wouldn't lay out a harmless "joke" as you tried to play it off for some time bc you KNEW EXACTLY what you were doing. You even corrected many as to it NOT being what you later said it meant, bc others actually didn't like the tact as well. Argue all fucking day with me, I don't give two fucks, but backing up racist comments is something I'll hold you to, and you can count on it. I'm not saying I'm going to attack you physically, but I can promise u that us being in the same room won't be a good thing.

Wow, again with the e-muscles.

First, you've made a solid point in telling me that we're not friends. That's fine. So tell me, how was I supposed to 1) know you were dating and 2) that she was Asian?

I called you Tila about 5 or 6 times before you started formulating this whacked out idea in your head that I was mounting some passive-aggressive campaign that I was mocking your girl. When in reality, I had just watched a shitload of "Scrubs" and I wanted to call you a girl's name to fuck with your head, and since I had a particular issue with Tila Tequila at the time for being a dumb bitch (just like you) it kinda fit.

And stop, please, stop bringing the Gvac shit into this. There's two sides to every story, and Reilly's no longer here. You don't think that maybe I did have some conversations with her?

I missed Reilly's posts around here and asked why she wasn't here. I got an answer.

[Tenbatsuzen]

By the way, little known fact? My avatar? He's black and white (like matty's favorite player), and was neutered. I have a black dog so I can't be racist!

funny, looked like a bitch to me - woulda made more sense

[Kevin]

Spoon

You are really being a Papillon Soo Soo about this

AND YOU KNOW IT.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Matty makes a joke about Asians, Spoon approves. (http://ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2106115&postcount=89)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Spoon

You are really being a Papillon Soo Soo about this

AND YOU KNOW IT.

You go 3 months not posting here and this is the shit you come up with? Take another six off.

[spoon]

funny, looked like a bitch to me - woulda made more sense

We going personal AGAIN? Shall I talk about your bitch as well.

And it's not a whacked out idea at all, as you couldn't explain it until now. Purely weak and contrived bullshit. If you don't think your actions with people I actually do call friends doesn't fit into this, it explains a lot why you have none and are socially inept at best.

Just shut the fuck up and ignore my arguments with everyone else. We'll get along fine by not taking notice, until I see you face to face. Call it all you want Matt, you made a whole fucking big deal trying to get a reaction as you often do, I'm not about to just brush it aside. You're a racist, just embrace it.

[spoon]

Cute you talk about yourself in the third person (matty, HA!), and if you don't see the difference there you are beyond hope. You only prove my point.

[Tenbatsuzen]

We going personal AGAIN? Shall I talk about your bitch as well.

And it's not a whacked out idea at all, as you couldn't explain it until now. Purely weak and contrived bullshit. If you don't think your actions with people I actually do call friends doesn't fit into this, it explains a lot why you have none and are socially inept at best.

Just shut the fuck up and ignore my arguments with everyone else. We'll get along fine by not taking notice, until I see you face to face. Call it all you want Matt, you made a whole fucking big deal trying to get a reaction as you often do, I'm not about to just brush it aside. You're a racist, just embrace it.

My explanation is the same as it was before. 1) Tila had nothing to do with your chick and 2) I had no idea your chick was Asian because that means I'd actually have to care about your life.

And you telling me that all I do is try to get reactions out of people is the blackest example of the pot and kettle I have ever heard.

[spoon]

Are we done here?

This/you bore the fuck out of me.

[spoon]

Back on topic, I ripped Jose Molina before game time based on his past, spring training and his first few games in Toronto only to see him have a very good game last night. I still don't like him as our #2, but I'll give him some cred for a good game at the plate and behind it.

[TheGameHHH]

Are we done here?

This/you bore the fuck out of me.

so how bout them Yankees?

[HBox]

I believe this means you were twisting your take on the whole Joba argument. I pretty much showed that clearly. The argument WAS should he go back to the pen after failing as a starter or remain in a position he has shown no ability to handle at the top level or even close. In fact, I added my comments on the mentality needed for both roles and just as easily could have added many more as counterpoints from Z, Kevin and others as well. Perhaps we're looking at this from different views, but to me your original statement is clearly an evasive tactic regarding the whole argument.

You didn't show shit. I said the same thing I've been saying ad naseum since the debate began. Yankee fans who frequent this thread have probably read the same thing way more than they'd ever care to. Up until last June, and the posts you disingenuously tried to use to make me look like some moron trying to defend a clearly failing starter, here are his total stats as a starter:

120.1 innings, 120 Ks, 50 BBs and 40 ERs for a 2.99 ERA and a 1.30 WHIP in 21 starts.

See, that is showing that someone is clearly wrong. Like someone who says:

The argument WAS should he go back to the pen after failing as a starter or remain in a position he has shown no ability to handle at the top level or even close.

But it wasn't just you. People were still saying at that point that he was failing as a starter and should be a reliever. With stats like that. So, yeah, at that point I was saying he was a really good young starter because he was performing like a really good young starter.

And then he flamed out spectacularly in the last couple months of last season. And I can't look at that kind of step back in development after starting for so long and say that he should continue, especially with better options available.

And, honestly, I now have absolutely no idea what you were and are trying to say. It's just vague statements backed up by unrelated quotes.

[sailor]

so how bout them Yankees?

think they'll win it all this year?

[hanso]

Rubber match sunday?

Rays took one going away. As did Yanks. Big rubber match. It is on!

[brettmojo]

What the fuck is with that awful fucking horn that randomly goes off throughout the game? Is it the sound of a dying Ray?

[JPMNICK]

What the fuck is with that awful fucking horn that randomly goes off throughout the game? Is it the sound of a dying Ray?

it is driving me nuts!

also, that was a bullshit call when the ball hit the catwalk. why was it a single and not a dead ball

[brettmojo]

it is driving me nuts!

also, that was a bullshit call when the ball hit the catwalk. why was it a single and not a dead ball
Baseball umpires are the most inconsistent officiating body in professional sports.

[TheGameHHH]

it is driving me nuts!

also, that was a bullshit call when the ball hit the catwalk. why was it a single and not a dead ball

that was a horrible call, thank god it didnt cost any runs. apparently there are certain catwalks that are considered fair play. I guess the umps went by that

[JPMNICK]

that was a horrible call, thank god it didnt cost any runs. apparently there are certain catwalks that are considered fair play. I guess the umps went by that

right i saw that, but it seemed like the ball was popped up foul, which i thought was supposed to be a dead ball.

good thing is no runs as you said.

Does anyone else think swisher sometimes looks so lost at the plate?

[TheGameHHH]

right i saw that, but it seemed like the ball was popped up foul, which i thought was supposed to be a dead ball.

good thing is no runs as you said.

Does anyone else think swisher sometimes looks so lost at the plate?

yea he does, but he was pretty dialed in during the spring so i think its just the ebb and flow of baseball. hopefully k-long will work with him a little and try to get him back on track

[brettmojo]

'Nother bad call.

[HBox]

Another wonderful call. In the ump's defense he was only 10 feet away and had a clear view of it.

At least this one didn't hurt either.

[brettmojo]

Thou how was once lost, is now founded.

[brettmojo]

http://cdn.sportsfan4.com/media/yankees-win.jpg

[hanso]

Ok so I eat crow this time around. More match ups to follow.

[TheGameHHH]

always nice to pick up the first two series' of the season on the road. cant wait to see the boogie down explode on tuesday night, i'll be there friday

[TheGameHHH]

great home opener! though a little sad the bullpen (aka Robertson) can't hold a 7-1 lead going into the 9th and Mo had to clean up the mess. otherwise, great day all around.

[zildjian361]

we Win tommorow

[JPMNICK]

Yanks offense looking good today, a lot of thanks to the terrible defense of the Rangers

[Doctor Z]

"I'll have the Chilean sea bass with saffron risotto!"

[zildjian361]

http://cdn.sportsfan4.com/media/yankees-win.jpg

YANKEES BASEBALL 8-3 nice start:clap:

[Tenbatsuzen]

"I'll have the Chilean sea bass with saffron risotto!"

They brought that commercial back? I thought American was the official airline now.

[Doctor Z]

They totally pulled it out of the archives today. Psyched.

[Tenbatsuzen]

So Joe Girardi blamed Jeter's benching today for Sweeney Murti getting him ill.

http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/sweeny.jpg

PATIENT ZERO

[TheGameHHH]

I hate off days

[RingWraith]

I hate off days

same here! I also hate fucking rain delays/rainout as well.

[JerseyRich]

I also don't like games that start at 10:05 Eastern.

Booooo!

[TheGameHHH]

I also don't like games that start at 10:05 Eastern.

Booooo!

Love West Coast games, yea im tired as fuck the next morning but whatever

[Doctor Z]

Joba was so. much. better. as a starter.

[JPMNICK]

Joba was so. much. better. as a starter.

yea he sucked tonight with bases loaded. i hope the put hughes back. this was a bull shit rushed decision.

i will say i was wrong, i was always for him being a starter. i thought he had it, but he is great in short relief, even in high pressure

[Doctor Z]

In a 2 week span, 2 of our starters have come within 4 outs of a no-hitter... I don't know whether to be disappointed or amazed.

Let's hope Mo can close this one out and we can lock up 5 straight series wins.

[Kevin]

In a 2 week span, 2 of our starters have come within 4 outs of a no-hitter... I don't know whether to be disappointed or amazed.


http://4.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/sportspickle/6/f/sportspickle.21e503869cc9cd870bedcbefe9d3f99f.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

Losing a no-no like that just kind of stings. Hughes was still lights out and the result was better than the last time he lost a no-no in Texas, but just sucks to see it end like that

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://4.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/sportspickle/6/f/sportspickle.21e503869cc9cd870bedcbefe9d3f99f.jpg

That pic never fails to bring a smile to my face.

[Doctor Z]

Gardner's been hitting the ball... Definitely hasn't been the automatic out I expected him to be coming into this season. Let's hope he can keep it up. Love getting production from the bottom of the order.

[Doctor Z]

Things got a little sticky there, but let me just go on record by saying that this Mariano Rivera kid's gonna be somebody.

[Freitag]

Love getting production from the bottom of the order.

Too bad we're not getting production from the top. Tex is starting off even slower than he did last year.

[TheGameHHH]

Too bad we're not getting production from the top. Tex is starting off even slower than he did last year.

Jeter is hitting like .340, Nick Johnson leads the league in walks and A-Rod is batting .390 since the Red Sox series. Wanna throw Cano in at the top and include him in guys that aren't producing?

[JPMNICK]

Jeter is hitting like .340, Nick Johnson leads the league in walks and A-Rod is batting .390 since the Red Sox series. Wanna throw Cano in at the top and include him in guys that aren't producing?

i love the 300 point spread between OBS and batting average for johnson, especially when jeter before him is like a 35pt spread.

[JPMNICK]

i just love cervelli so much, and i am really happy he is hitting in the majors. he is a great catcher, really into the game and baseball in general.

[TheGameHHH]

i love the 300 point spread between OBS and batting average for johnson, especially when jeter before him is like a 35pt spread.

yea i know, its actually comical. but u dont have guys like johnson and swisher on your team for their batting averages

[JPMNICK]

Triple play started by arod! nice job to help out CC who doesn't look great today

[Doctor Z]

Nick Johnson = Way Better Than Hideki Matsui

[zildjian361]

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/1548180/382830140.jpg

Pitchers & catchers report to Spring Training on Thursday. Who grabs the 5th spot in the rotation? Where exactly does everyone wind up in the outfield? What does the bullpen look like?

Let the discussions, and subsequent hatred, begin!

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/1548180/382830914.jpg

(woohoo! Big Ass Vet status in just under 9 years!)

BIG ASS 2352 See ya at Tommy's 2 outa 3 aint bad :smoke::drunk:

[Tenbatsuzen]

Apparently the A's starter today just lost his shit on A-Rod.

[JPMNICK]

Apparently the A's starter today just lost his shit on A-Rod.

here is the link to the whole story

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2010/04/22/rodriguez-ive-never-quite-heard-that/

[brettmojo]

here is the link to the whole story

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2010/04/22/rodriguez-ive-never-quite-heard-that/

“I don’t care if I’m Cy Young or the 25th man on the roster, if I’ve got the ball in my hand and I’m on that mound, that’s my mound,” Braden said. “… He ran across the pitcher’s mound foot on my rubber. No, not happening. We’re not the door mat anymore.”

HA! Shut up douchebag.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You ain't the doormat Dallas, but the guy you're pissed at? He's got a ring, an MVP, and will be in the HOG.

[brettmojo]

You ain't the doormat Dallas, but the guy you're pissed at? He's got a ring, an MVP, and will be in the HOG.
Hall of...? Gays?

http://listentoleon.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/a-rod-kiss.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

...

You ain't the doormat Dallas, but the guy you're pissed at? He's got a ring, an MVP, and will be in the HOG.

http://4.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/sportspickle/6/f/sportspickle.21e503869cc9cd870bedcbefe9d3f99f.jpg

[brettmojo]

More like between the hogs.

[Dan 'Hampton]

H.O.G has gotta be his mod quote.

[Doctor Z]

I wanted to jump down this guy's throat and call him a pussy, but after hearing the audio and hearing him express his opinion with a lot of respect for the Yankees organization and A-Rod's achievements on the field, it's hard for me to disagree with him. At least he acknowledges he doesn't have shit on A-Rod in terms of accomplishments, and at least he addressed it professionally in that interview. I could see why a pitcher might get irked if an opposing player literally steps on his rubber.

[TheGameHHH]

I wanted to jump down this guy's throat and call him a pussy, but after hearing the audio and hearing him express his opinion with a lot of respect for the Yankees organization and A-Rod's achievements on the field, it's hard for me to disagree with him. At least he acknowledges he doesn't have shit on A-Rod in terms of accomplishments, and at least he addressed it professionally in that interview. I could see why a pitcher might get irked if an opposing player literally steps on his rubber.

I only saw the highlight of that play, only heard the live call on the radio. did he intentionaly step on the rubber in a mocking fashion or was he just caught up in the moment running back to the dugout happy he helped assist in an extremely uncommon play? if its the former then i understand, if its the latter the pitcher is a pussy.

[Doctor Z]

It actually had nothing to do with the triple play. Apparently A-Rod ran from 1st to 3rd on a long foul ball by Robinson Cano. When the ball landed foul, A-Rod cut across the mound to get back to 1st base. Why not just run around the mound? Obviously I don't think A-Rod was doing it with the intention of shitting on the A's or the pitcher, but it's pretty much common sense not to toe the rubber while trotting back to first.

[TheGameHHH]

It actually had nothing to do with the triple play. Apparently A-Rod ran from 1st to 3rd on a long foul ball by Robinson Cano. When the ball landed foul, A-Rod cut across the mound to get back to 1st base. Why not just run around the mound? Obviously I don't think A-Rod was doing it with the intention of shitting on the A's or the pitcher, but it's pretty much common sense not to toe the rubber while trotting back to first.

yea i just read that, plus what i said didnt make sense considering A-Rod wouldnt have run across their pitchers mound while the Yanks were in the field. nevermind what i said, im an idiot

[TheGameHHH]

alright....friday night, west coast, game time. im excited

[Crippler]

Big Tex lowers the boom. That might cause some issues later tonight (or this weekend).

[Doctor Z]

How fucking long is Nick Johnson gonna bat .120 before we drop him from the 2 hole? What a pathetic joke. I know this management is infamously stubborn, but can they just admit that swapping Matsui for Johnson was an obvious mistake? Time to throw this $5.5 million Private Pyle look-alike in front of Bret Gardner.

[brettmojo]

How fucking long is Nick Johnson gonna bat .120 before we drop him from the 2 hole? What a pathetic joke. I know this management is infamously stubborn, but can they just admit that swapping Matsui for Johnson was an obvious mistake? Time to throw this $5.5 million Private Pyle look-alike in front of Bret Gardner.
Then we're gonna' have to drop Tex right behind him.

[TheGameHHH]

How fucking long is Nick Johnson gonna bat .120 before we drop him from the 2 hole? What a pathetic joke. I know this management is infamously stubborn, but can they just admit that swapping Matsui for Johnson was an obvious mistake? Time to throw this $5.5 million Private Pyle look-alike in front of Bret Gardner.

before we discuss this further, please dont tell me you judge a player based on their batting average. let alone their april batting average. I could just as easily have subbed in the name Tex for you this year or last, but he seemed to work out ok (not to say Johnson is even in the same league as Tex). were u also calling for Jeter's head in 2004 when he got off to a shitty April?

[Doctor Z]

Okay, why are we even putting Derek Jeter/Mark Teixeira in the same sentence as Nick Johnson? First off, Tex is notorious for slow starts. All players go through slumps, even great ones. I'm willing to be patient with players who I KNOW will eventually start hitting the ball. What point in Nick Johnson's injury-riddled career tells you he's even half the hitter Matsui was? Or in the same conversation as Mark Teixeira and Derek Jeter? Nick Johnson is a career .270 hitter and has ONE 20 HR season in 10 years.

Fact is, Nick Johnson was brought in as a hopeful apology for slacking on talks with Matsui, because Brian Cashman was too preoccupied with Johnny Damon (for God knows what reason). I'd love to know if any team in history has ever let a player go immediately coming off a World Series MVP... Now we're paying Johnson virtually the same money Matsui is getting from LA, to be a designated hitter. Designated HITTER. Not designated walker/slow baserunner. I understand as the #2 hitter, his job is to get on base, but have you been watching the games lately? Pitchers are now adjusting to the fact that he's not hitting the ball and simply attacking the zone. Now he's striking out constantly, watching balls fall right down the middle. The guy was pinch hit for last night. Our DESIGNATED HITTER was pinch hit for.

Maybe he can earn his way back to the #2 spot eventually, but right now, he just shouldn't be there at all.

[Doctor Z]

And just to throw salt on the wound, who started the 2-run rally that won the game for the Angels last night... Of course...

[JPMNICK]

well no johnson today, and also no Posada.