New York Giants 2010 Season Thread

[lleeder]

Pierce gets cut. Changes are coming. (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/11/giants-lose-a-leader-in-pierce/)

[Snoogans]

Changes are coming? Really? I thought when they got rid of like 4 coaches that everything would be the same

[hammersavage]

would it be in terrible taste to plug my buddies new Giants blog?

especially if I will be a contributing author?

it is? good.



then fuck you


www.bigbluechip.com

[cougarjake13]

so we release one middle aged injured linebacker just to sign another ??



hmmm



i know its only a one year deal and the upside is good if hes healthy but just doesnt make sense


id rather have pierce be back and be like a player coach

[hammersavage]

some leadership presence back, pretty low risk. i'm for it and just hope he's healthy.

[spoon]

some leadership presence back, pretty low risk. i'm for it and just hope he's healthy.

I'll wait for some true analysis on the bigbluechip blog from an "nfl atheist"!? :lol:

[spoon]

Shawn Savage, Contributing Author....Brings his witty comedic nature and overall passion for sports to the blog. Shawn will post on many topics, including the Giants, the draft, fantasy football, gambling, the NBA draft or anything that may pop into his creative mind.

Joesph Vigilante, Contributing Author....Joe is a Giants fan and a high school football coach in New Jersey who brings his expertise with X and O's to the blog. Joe also has a friendly rivalry with Shawn over who is funnier......here is your chance to settle it boys.



Ewwwwww! I need a fucking bath right now!

[hammersavage]

went to Giants training camp for a couple days this past week with other bigbluechip.com writers.

the major things that I came away with is that Lindval Joseph is a fucking beast of a human being. Derek Hagan looked awesome, he might have been the most impressive of anyone. Great hands, solid routes, good size.

They didn't let Barden or Nicks really let loose and they looked ok. Little Timmy Brown was really small and needs to make an impression returning kicks.

A kinda cool experience but not worth watching more than a practice or two.

Jets in 3 days.

[disneyspy]

congrats on getting the front page at www.bigbluechip.com hammer,i didnt see you credit spoon with kicking your ass in your expertise tho

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!

[hammersavage]

i never claimed an expertise. no one is an expert gambler. but spoon was all of our daddy's last year.

Congrats on your first playoff win in 13 embarrassing years last year. I can't wait for Wade Phillips to sabotage your season again.

[disneyspy]

i never claimed an expertise. no one is an expert gambler. but spoon was all of our daddy's last year.

Congrats on your first playoff win in 13 embarrassing years last year. I can't wait for Wade Phillips to sabotage your season again.

WELL IF YOU'RE NOT AN EXPERT YOU SHOULDN'T BE WRITING STUFF ON THE NET!!

pussy

[spoon]

WELL IF YOU'RE NOT AN EXPERT YOU SHOULDN'T BE WRITING STUFF ON THE NET!!

pussy

I think it works EXACTLY the opposite way...hence BDC's yankee blog.

Don't listen to him hammer, you're in your happy place!

[spoon]

Oh and I fleece this fucking place in terms of bets! Ask Papabear, Kevin, Justice and Dspy's dog....ooooooo!

[hammersavage]

Don't listen to him hammer, you're in your happy place!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/2234960801_5437f055fc.jpg

Oh and I fleece this fucking place in terms of bets! Ask Papabear, Kevin, Justice and Dspy's dog....ooooooo!

this kids got balls

[spoon]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/2234960801_5437f055fc.jpg



this kids got balls

What are you talking about!? I'm still rf.net's sweetest poster...in fact, sweeter than sweet.

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[spoon]

still sweet

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[brettmojo]

still sweet

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Sweeter...

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[hammersavage]

Preview for tonights Jets_Giants game and what to look for (http://www.bigbluechip.com/my-blog/2010/08/giants-preseason-week-1-vs-ny-jets-what-to-look-for.html#more)

[hammersavage]

Eli had a 3 inch gash. Tee heeeeeee

[Kevin]

Eli had a 3 inch gash. Tee heeeeeee



Is this the witty humor you bring to your blog?

[hammersavage]

its not my blog.

but no, i usually go for something more sophomoric.

[TheGameHHH]

Mr. Moss, meet Mr. Cruz. He'll be taking your job this season

[Tenbatsuzen]

Mr. Moss, meet Mr. Cruz. He'll be taking your job this season

yeah, get yourself worked up into a lather over a guy that played agains third team defense on fly routes.

[hammersavage]

yeah, get yourself worked up into a lather over a guy that played agains third team defense on fly routes.

I don't know if he's worked up, exactly. He just said that he locked up the 6th WR slot on the depth chart.

[Tenbatsuzen]

its not my blog.

but no, i usually go for something more sophomoric.

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/rex4.jpg

HOW THE FUCK YOU DOING, BOYS???

[TheGameHHH]

yeah, get yourself worked up into a lather over a guy that played agains third team defense on fly routes.

I'm not even a Giants fan, how am I worked up? Is somebody a little defensive because they saw their QB throw yet another INT on the second play on their first drive?

[Kevin]

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/rex4.jpg

HOW THE FUCK YOU DOING, BOYS???



Talk shit without doing shit yet?

[epo]

Talk shit without doing shit yet?

I'm sure Sanchez will be great this year....

[hammersavage]

If perhaps you felt like maybe reading a game summary from tonight, it would be super if you went here (http://www.bigbluechip.com/my-blog/2010/08/big-blue-review-preseason-week-1-vs-ny-jets.html).

I know whoever the young man is who wrote it would appreciate it :)

[Doctor Z]

Rex Ryan can curse on HBO and run his mouth all day long, but Tom Coughlin and the Giants kept their mouths shut and kicked his fat ass tonight. Granted, it was a worthless pre-season game played predominantly by 2nd and 3rd string players, but it was still nice to humble the king of shit-talking for one night.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/550000/images/_554147_boss_nass_150.jpg

[Snoogans]

Rex Ryan can curse on HBO and run his mouth all day long, but Tom Coughlin and the Giants kept their mouths shut and kicked his fat ass tonight. Granted, it was a worthless pre-season game played predominantly by 2nd and 3rd string players, but it was still nice to humble the king of shit-talking for one night.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/550000/images/_554147_boss_nass_150.jpg

the giants didnt exactly keep their mouths shut the last few days. Just sayin

[hammersavage]

Giants sign former Pro Bowl OL Shawn Andrews (http://www.bigbluechip.com/my-blog/2010/08/giants-sign-former-pro-bowl-ol-shawn-andrews.html)

pretty big upside with signing a guy like that. if he can get his head right, he can be great again.

[TripleSkeet]

Giants sign former Pro Bowl OL Shawn Andrews (http://www.bigbluechip.com/my-blog/2010/08/giants-sign-former-pro-bowl-ol-shawn-andrews.html)

pretty big upside with signing a guy like that. if he can get his head right, he can be great again.

Good luck with that. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Hes a fucking bum.

[hammersavage]

probably. but its not a make or break deal so it doesnt matter

[Earlshog]

Giants sign former Pro Bowl OL Shawn Andrews (http://www.bigbluechip.com/my-blog/2010/08/giants-sign-former-pro-bowl-ol-shawn-andrews.html)

pretty big upside with signing a guy like that. if he can get his head right, he can be great again.

I agree they have nothing to lose if he’s injured or a head case you just cut his ass, if he lives up to his potential you have some help on that aging banged up offensive line.

[Kevin]

Good luck with that. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Hes a fucking bum.



He was not a bum when he played.

His probs were more head and personality than ability.

I don't know if he can overcome that though..

Its a majority non guarenteed deal, so good gamble..

It worked with Kerry Collins..

[spoon]

It's risky bc it doesn't take much to set off a locker room in the wrong direction, especially with a coach already on the hot seat. This guy is a locker room cancer, bc that's the only place he's contributed in the recent future. He may end up working out, but I find it funny some of the commentary in this thread seem to be with rose colored glasses bc it involves their team. You basically make it sound like you have no problem with the move even if it doesn't work and goes into the shitter. High expectations and standards you guys have.

[spoon]

I do understand the man has some real "fez-like" mental issues too, so I feel for the guy. However, it's been reported that it's a combo of lazines, attitude problems AND mental issues. That's a whole lot of things to "work out" even if he is 28. I'd think a small market team would be best for him, but we'll see.

[hammersavage]

game #2 of the preseason tonight against the Steelers. No Eli, No Sorgi. Its the Bomar show for most of the game.

Can't wait to see Kenny Phillips play again.

Also can't wait to hear the reception Ben gets.

http://www.bigbluechip.com/.a/6a013480e34c5d970c0133f3319e7a970b-800wi

[spoon]

If only bluechip blog had something on this you big gay baby!

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[Justice4all]

This Cruz guy looked pretty damn good in the two games. Look forward to seeing him keep at it. We need another receiver. Badly

[Kevin]

This Cruz guy looked pretty damn good in the two games. Look forward to seeing him keep at it. We need another receiver. Badly



We have 27 Wrs...

What we need is for Jacobs to stop being a pussy and our 2ndary to not be doormats.

[TheGameHHH]

We have 27 Wrs...

What we need is for Jacobs to stop being a pussy and our 2ndary to not be doormats.

Bradshaw is the man this year, Jacobs time is over

[Kevin]

Bradshaw is the man this year, Jacobs time is over



I'd like to see Bradshaw go a year without being hurt before i get excited.

[spoon]

Andre Brown baby!

[Kevin]

Andre Brown baby!



And his deviously stealthy wireless nickname of Brown22!

[spoon]

And his deviously stealthy wireless nickname of Brown22!

thank God it wasn't that bum #37!

[cougarjake13]

We have 27 Wrs...

What we need is for Jacobs to stop being a pussy and our 2ndary to not be doormats.




its starting to feel like dayne and barber all over again


yeh jacobs has produced better than dayne ever did but you get the point

[hammersavage]

http://www.bigbluechip.com/.a/6a013480e34c5d970c0133f351bf6d970b-800wi

[PapaBear]

New York? More like JEW York! (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/09/03/giants.vikings.trade.ap/index.html?xid=si_nfl)

He's technically NOT a Jew, and the only reason I noticed this is because he's yet another in a long line of discarded Redskins QB's

[Kevin]

New York? More like JEW York! (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/09/03/giants.vikings.trade.ap/index.html?xid=si_nfl)

He's technically NOT a Jew, and the only reason I noticed this is because he's yet another in a long line of discarded Redskins QB's



SUPERBOWL!!!

[PapaBear]

SUPERBOWL!!!
It has been known to happen.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/122287/BradJ.jpg

http://nflbook.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/sbowlsh3_copy.jpg

Also, a former Viking.

[cougarjake13]

yeh but in this case he's not coming here to start like johnson did

[Justice4all]

Was glad to see Cruz making the cut. He's got some good talent.

Going to the season opener. Looking forward to it.

[Kevin]

That other rookie WR that took it to the house on that play in the 4th qtr surprisingly made it too..

Papa and Carl were saying how that will help him catch on with another team, thinking he had no shot to make this team..

I guess we needed ANOTHER WR.

Out of the 53 man roster, like 35 are WR and Dline.

[spoon]

you have 6 wrs, pretty fucking common (2 more are on IR in case you forgot)

I guess you wanted them to go with 4 or 5 when 3 are often on the field at a given time playing for a team that will be pass happy like NYG? two with injury problems too...

If this were the Jets I'd agree bc they're qb doesn't work anyway. Why waste spots?

[Kevin]

you have 6 wrs, pretty fucking common (2 more are on IR in case you forgot)

I guess you wanted them to go with 4 or 5 when 3 are often on the field at a given time playing for a team that will be pass happy like NYG? two with injury problems too...

If this were the Jets I'd agree bc they're qb doesn't work anyway. Why waste spots?



Fair enough..

6 isnt bad..

Sucks that Barden got hurt.

He would have been a wepon in the redzone at least with fade routes.

The key is Oline has to bounce back and they have to have SOME running game or the team is shit.

Thats prob true for every team though..




except the Jets... It won't matter with that shitty QB...

[spoon]

You'll probably drop Calhoun or Cruz to the practice squad in the near future unless someone else gets hurt/knocked out for some time.

[Kevin]

You'll probably drop Calhoun or Cruz to the practice squad in the near future unless someone else gets hurt/knocked out for some time.



Which with this team, someone probably will.

[spoon]

As you would/should know, my neighbor is gone. Left to play with the enemy! Screw that dumb fucker!

[Kevin]

As you would/should know, my neighbor is gone. Left to play with the enemy! Screw that dumb fucker!



Saw that..

Surprised he was cut..

Coming back fully from that type of injury is tough..

I guess his new wifi handle will be Brown26!

[hammersavage]

The only Giants season preview that matters. (http://www.bigbluechip.com/my-blog/2010/09/ny-giants-season-preview.html)

So fucking psyched for Sunday

[King Hippos Bandaid]

how can we compare to the Jets... all their players fans and coaches are predicting 16-0 ... I say we hand over the Lombardi Trophy right now....


fuck that...


as per my Jinx agreement of 2008 , I will not boast about the Giants, but am enjoying the Giants flying under the radar


also Brandon Jacobs is a dumb (insert own comment).... I really believe he would be in jail or dead if he did not have football talent.....

[Justice4all]

how can we compare to the Jets... all their players fans and coaches are predicting 16-0 ... I say we hand over the Lombardi Trophy right now....


fuck that...


as per my Jinx agreement of 2008 , I will not boast about the Giants, but am enjoying the Giants flying under the radar


also Brandon Jacobs is a dumb (insert own comment).... I really believe he would be in jail or dead if he did not have football talent.....


I think Jacobs isn't the ONLY dumb-ass football player around, but yea...he's lacking in the brains department. And if he doesn't run like he did two years ago, he'll be lacking a job too (let's hope it doesn't come down to that though)

[spoon]

how can we compare to the Jets... all their players fans and coaches are predicting 16-0 ... I say we hand over the Lombardi Trophy right now....


fuck that...


as per my Jinx agreement of 2008 , I will not boast about the Giants, but am enjoying the Giants flying under the radar


also Brandon Jacobs is a dumb (insert own comment).... I really believe he would be in jail or dead if he did not have football talent.....

I think Jacobs isn't the ONLY dumb-ass football player around, but yea...he's lacking in the brains department. And if he doesn't run like he did two years ago, he'll be lacking a job too (let's hope it doesn't come down to that though)

That's funny, I know all three of you and he's easily head of the retarded class. It's not saying much, but hey, he's a pretty good guy off the field unlike garage griller. How'd that work out for you Tom!? :clap:

[hammersavage]

Giants-Colts Preview
(http://www.bigbluechip.com/my-blog/2010/09/game-plan-week-2-vs-indianapolis-.html)
http://www.bigbluechip.com/.a/6a013480e34c5d970c0133f4530f83970b-800wi

[Kevin]

Wow, this is so gay that i may have to root for the Colts tomorrow.

[Justice4all]

That's funny, I know all three of you and he's easily head of the retarded class. It's not saying much, but hey, he's a pretty good guy off the field unlike garage griller. How'd that work out for you Tom!? :clap:

It got the job done didn't it?

Wow this game is JUST painful to watch. If they don't score here (3:45 left in the 3rd) I am going to bed and keep from watching the slaughter.

[spoon]

It got the job done didn't it?

Wow this game is JUST painful to watch. If they don't score here (3:45 left in the 3rd) I am going to bed and keep from watching the slaughter.

If by "got the job done didn't it" refers to taking out half the few neurons you have left...then YES!

[Justice4all]

I gave up in the beginning of the 4th quarter. Way too many sloppy penalties, plays. Shit the LIONS play better then the Giants right now.
It's getting ugly

[Earlshog]

I gave up in the beginning of the 4th quarter. Way too many sloppy penalties, plays. Shit the LIONS play better then the Giants right now.
It's getting ugly

It's almost worse than getting your doors blown off, more frustrating as fan at least. In between all the penalties and turnovers the Giants outplayed the Titans in this game. That was one of the most painful Giants games I've watched and you know we have had our share over the years.
What made this loss so disappointing was this was a defining game. Week one the Giants beat Carolina who as it looks like right now is one of the worst teams in league. They got trounced by Indy but in reality whoever played Indy under those circumstances, coming off a loss and playing at home, was gonna get knocked around. Tennessee is not an elite team, not a bad team either, they are a team that should be in the playoff hunt this year. This was a chance for the Giants to show who they really are, and if that’s who the Giants we are in for a long season.

[Earlshog]

The Giants will unveil their Ring of Honor on Sunday, with the induction of 30 former executives, players and coaches. QB Phil Simms, coach Bill Parcells and DE Michael Strahan will be among those honored, but it has not been announced whether troubled LB Lawrence Taylor will be included.


Guess they feel someone facing rape charges should not be paraded through the new stadium...

[Snoogans]

The Giants will unveil their Ring of Honor on Sunday, with the induction of 30 former executives, players and coaches. QB Phil Simms, coach Bill Parcells and DE Michael Strahan will be among those honored, but it has not been announced whether troubled LB Lawrence Taylor will be included.


Guess they feel someone facing rape charges should not be paraded through the new stadium...

im gonna go out on a limb and say Luke Pettitgout just missed

[TripleSkeet]

The Giants will unveil their Ring of Honor on Sunday, with the induction of 30 former executives, players and coaches. QB Phil Simms, coach Bill Parcells and DE Michael Strahan will be among those honored, but it has not been announced whether troubled LB Lawrence Taylor will be included.


Guess they feel someone facing rape charges should not be paraded through the new stadium...

How are you both a Phillies and Giants fan? Such an odd combination.

[Gutter]

How are you both a Phillies and Giants fan? Such an odd combination.

The Giants will unveil their Ring of Honor on Sunday, with the induction of 30 former executives, players and coaches. QB Phil Simms, coach Bill Parcells and DE Michael Strahan will be among those honored, but it has not been announced whether troubled LB Lawrence Taylor will be included.


Guess they feel someone facing rape charges should not be paraded through the new stadium...

thats what happens when you live in Hoboken. Can't deny them G Men.

[hammersavage]

Giants underachieving or overrated? (http://www.bigbluechip.com/my-blog/2010/09/are-the-giants-underachieving-or-overrated.html)

[disneyspy]

didnt make the play offs last year-advantage over rated

[Earlshog]

How are you both a Phillies and Giants fan? Such an odd combination.

Yeah I am all mixed up... I grew up in Central N.J. so when I was young and impressionable we got both Philly and NY stations. I was a big Mike Schmidt fan coming up so fortunately ( well not so fortunate from about 85 - 05 ha-ha) I became a Phillies fan. In the other major sports I always rooted for NY the Giants, Knicks, and Rangers.

[Earlshog]

im gonna go out on a limb and say Luke Pettitgout just missed

haha him and Kent Graham ring of shame next week

[spoon]

Yeah I am all mixed up... I grew up in Central N.J. so when I was young and impressionable we got both Philly and NY stations. I was a big Mike Schmidt fan coming up so fortunately ( well not so fortunate from about 85 - 05 ha-ha) I became a Phillies fan. In the other major sports I always rooted for NY the Giants, Knicks, and Rangers.

yah your teams are a weird mix!

[cougarjake13]

How are you both a Phillies and Giants fan? Such an odd combination.

a buddy of mine somehow managed to become a mets and cowboys fan growing up in brooklyn

[Justice4all]

The Giants will unveil their Ring of Honor on Sunday, with the induction of 30 former executives, players and coaches. QB Phil Simms, coach Bill Parcells and DE Michael Strahan will be among those honored, but it has not been announced whether troubled LB Lawrence Taylor will be included.


Guess they feel someone facing rape charges should not be paraded through the new stadium...

I'm gonna be at that game. I'm hoping it's not a blowout by the Bears.
If so...it's going to be a long season indeed.

[spoon]

Hey all be there too...with a shitload of meat for everyone!

[cougarjake13]

so is there a jets ring of honor too ??


or is there some kind of rotator that'll display the giants during their games and jets during theirs

[disneyspy]

its so hack how all these teams are having a ring of honor to copy the cowboys,fuckin hacks

[cougarjake13]

its so hack how all these teams are having a ring of honor to copy the cowboys,fuckin hacks

hoo hoo

[cougarjake13]

if cowher is def interested in coming back im kinda torn on whether or not i should root for them to lose

[spoon]

its so hack how all these teams are having a ring of honor to copy the cowboys,fuckin hacks

Yes, cowboys were surely the first ever to do that...last year. :wallbash:

[disneyspy]

Yes, cowboys were surely the first ever to do that...last year. :wallbash:

you are a dumas

[spoon]

is one of ur steps not allowing you to curse baby talker?

[disneyspy]

.net's sweetest poster my ass

[spoon]

.net's sweetest poster my ass

the very same! :innocent:

[Jughead]

F them :down:

[Justice4all]

Hey all be there too...with a shitload of meat for everyone!

So your meat tastes like shit? I KNEW IT! Next time tell your partner to wipe!

Tiki got booed big time...and the asshole deserved it.

[Justice4all]

so is there a jets ring of honor too ??


or is there some kind of rotator that'll display the giants during their games and jets during theirs

Apparently the 'ring' is interchangeable. It will have the Jets players during their home games, same thing for the Giants.

That stadium was pretty fucking cold by the end of the game. Unlike the old stadium there was NO stopping that wind coming in from the outside. That was the only downside for the stadium (so far)

[TripleSkeet]

a buddy of mine somehow managed to become a mets and cowboys fan growing up in brooklyn

I can top that actually. I have a friend thats a Heat, Redskins, Flyers and Yankees fan. And he lives in Miami.

[spoon]

typical east coast bias

Avalanche, Blue Jays and Chargers

two rebuilding, one falling apart

[cougarjake13]

I can top that actually. I have a friend thats a Heat, Redskins, Flyers and Yankees fan. And he lives in Miami.

hmmm

well he lives in miami so that makes sense for heat unless it was recently after the lebron and bosh etc moves

cant explain flyers at all


yanks and skins i guess if he was a front runner in the 80s and 90s

[spoon]

H is a heat fan again I'm sure. Well once the season starts unless LA keeps it up.

[PapaBear]

Originally Posted by cougarjake13 http://www.ronfez.net/forums/images/skins/rf_blue/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2775676#post2775676)
a buddy of mine somehow managed to become a mets and cowboys fan growing up in brooklyn


I can top that actually. I have a friend thats a Heat, Redskins, Flyers and Yankees fan. And he lives in Miami.

A few weeks ago, I was behind a car with Maryland tags with stickers for the Yankees, Devils, and Dolphins. But there's no trying to make sense of it. It was a chick.

[spoon]

A few weeks ago, I was behind a car with Maryland tags with stickers for the Yankees, Devils, and Dolphins. But there's no trying to make sense of it. It was a chick.

dolphins are her fav, yankees make her feel like a winner and the devils to give her a pseudo edge man!!

[Snoogans]

A few weeks ago, I was behind a car with Maryland tags with stickers for the Yankees, Devils, and Dolphins. But there's no trying to make sense of it. It was a chick.

dolphins are her fav, yankees make her feel like a winner and the devils to give her a pseudo edge man!!

we need a demographic too. If it was a black chick, its just possible she had clothes or accessories that most closely matched those teams colors

[spoon]

nice

[PapaBear]

we need a demographic too. If it was a black chick, its just possible she had clothes or accessories that most closely matched those teams colors
She was white. But I don't know what part of Maryland. There's a HUGE difference between Eastern MD and Western MD.

[keithy_19]

She was white. But I don't know what part of Maryland. There's a HUGE difference between Eastern MD and Western MD.

Was she hot?

[Gutter]

a win is a win is a win. not at all pissed about Giants only beating the Lions by 8. it would have been a different story if Eli threw three pics, and we lost 80+ yards on penalties, but it was a pretty clean game for the G-Men. no INT, thank god.....really no major penalties....and i think for the first time this season, we escaped without the dreaded delay of game call. Special Teams even seemed to get their shit together after Dodge fumbled the first punt.....and this whole time, all he needed was a glove on his left hand...who knew? I think Darius Reynaud is going to bust loose for a few returns by the end of the season if we keep him in there....Giants haven't had a really good punt returner in a long long time, and Reynaud looked like he was gonna get some space a few times on sunday....I wouldn't be surprised if he takes one to the house against the Cowboys next week.

Lions played some pretty good defense during that game, but kept shooting themselves in the foot with penalties and turnovers. I'm still insanely frustrated watching Gilbride call a 3 yard passing play when we're 3rd down and 12 to go. i really wish they would let Eli take control and let him run from the no-huddle for most of the game....it would eliminate the weekly delay of game penalties, and we'd save so many time-outs which we need to take to avoid the stupid penalty. some frustrating moments yesterday, but like i said, a win is a win is a win, and we're 4-2 so i'm not complaining too much.

[Snoogans]

a win is a win is a win. not at all pissed about Giants only beating the Lions by 8. it would have been a different story if Eli threw three pics, and we lost 80+ yards on penalties, but it was a pretty clean game for the G-Men. no INT, thank god.....really no major penalties....and i think for the first time this season, we escaped without the dreaded delay of game call. Special Teams even seemed to get their shit together after Dodge fumbled the first punt.....and this whole time, all he needed was a glove on his left hand...who knew? I think Darius Reynaud is going to bust loose for a few returns by the end of the season if we keep him in there....Giants haven't had a really good punt returner in a long long time, and Reynaud looked like he was gonna get some space a few times on sunday....I wouldn't be surprised if he takes one to the house against the Cowboys next week.

Lions played some pretty good defense during that game, but kept shooting themselves in the foot with penalties and turnovers. I'm still insanely frustrated watching Gilbride call a 3 yard passing play when we're 3rd down and 12 to go. i really wish they would let Eli take control and let him run from the no-huddle for most of the game....it would eliminate the weekly delay of game penalties, and we'd save so many time-outs which we need to take to avoid the stupid penalty. some frustrating moments yesterday, but like i said, a win is a win is a win, and we're 4-2 so i'm not complaining too much.

i would be, he fuckin sucks. He didnt get into the space because he isnt good. He might be fast, but he doesnt get started quick, and on punts, thats most important. He looks like he takes to long to find his line. I hate him, I wish they would put Ross back there. At least until he gets hurt again

[Gutter]

i would be, he fuckin sucks. He didnt get into the space because he isnt good. He might be fast, but he doesnt get started quick, and on punts, thats most important. He looks like he takes to long to find his line. I hate him, I wish they would put Ross back there. At least until he gets hurt again

he'll come around....he's fast as shit and i think we'll get some solid returns from this guy. he's already got 300+ in kickoff returns and we've only had him for a month. His punt returning needs improvement, but if they can get Dodge kicking the ball well, which he did yesterday after the botched punt in the 1st, i'm gonna guess they can get the fastest dude we've had on returns in a while to break free a few times this season.

[Snoogans]

he'll come around....he's fast as shit and i think we'll get some solid returns from this guy. he's already got 300+ in kickoff returns and we've only had him for a month. His punt returning needs improvement, but if they can get Dodge kicking the ball well, which he did yesterday after the botched punt in the 1st, i'm gonna guess they can get the fastest dude we've had on returns in a while to break free a few times this season.

300+ in kick returns? what does that matter? if you return 4 kicks in a game and only avg 20 per return, there is 80 yards. times 5, thats 400. Result - He fuckin sucks

[Gutter]

300+ in kick returns? what does that matter? if you return 4 kicks in a game and only avg 20 per return, there is 80 yards. times 5, thats 400. Result - He fuckin sucks

i get what you're saying.....i just don't think he sucks.....his averages are a little lower right now than the numbers he was posting on the Vikings, but he's young and crazy fast.....if Blackburn and crew can give him some blocking, Reynaud will do just fine. I really don't think anyone else we've had back there has done any better.....between Moss and Hixon and Ross and i think even Tyree at one point, that position has been a mystery the past few years.

[cougarjake13]

i get what you're saying.....i just don't think he sucks.....his averages are a little lower right now than the numbers he was posting on the Vikings, but he's young and crazy fast.....if Blackburn and crew can give him some blocking, Reynaud will do just fine. I really don't think anyone else we've had back there has done any better.....between Moss and Hixon and Ross and i think even Tyree at one point, that position has been a mystery the past few years.

except for hixon i agree he's been the best weve had prob since meggett

[hammersavage]

i would be, he fuckin sucks. He didnt get into the space because he isnt good. He might be fast, but he doesnt get started quick, and on punts, thats most important. He looks like he takes to long to find his line. I hate him, I wish they would put Ross back there. At least until he gets hurt again

yup. he's not been good at all.

except for hixon i agree he's been the best weve had prob since meggett

no way

[hammersavage]

just put up our draft wish list today.

its early but its fun to start looking now.

[Gutter]

except for hixon i agree he's been the best weve had prob since meggett

meh, hixon was terrbile too.....1 TD in 101 returns btwn kickoffs and punts. his averages for both were pretty low too. Ron Dixon could have been the best at that position if he didn't have the knee injury. I'd like to see them use Danny Ware more often.....he's had 2 returns his career....if Reynaud doesn't impress in the next few games i'd like to see D. Ware back in the return spot.

[Justice4all]

300+ in kick returns? what does that matter? if you return 4 kicks in a game and only avg 20 per return, there is 80 yards. times 5, thats 400. Result - He fuckin sucks

Agreed! He almost gave a punt return to the Bears in the Sunday night game if you remember. He doesn't even know when to fair catch and when to run with it. This guy just blows at the position.

I say let the new kid Cruz give it a shot. He can't do any worse.

[Snoogans]

Agreed! He almost gave a punt return to the Bears in the Sunday night game if you remember. He doesn't even know when to fair catch and when to run with it. This guy just blows at the position.

I say let the new kid Cruz give it a shot. He can't do any worse.

he could do worse considering he is on IR

[Justice4all]

he could do worse considering he is on IR

he was put on IR to make room to put someone on the roster.

Tonights win was important but sloppy as hell. We're lucky to get away with a win when you turn the ball over 5 times. And Eli needs to WAKE THE FUCK UP and stop throwing those fucking ints!

[spoon]

yah, you can't use ir that way and I'm sure Cruz would have been for release as someone else would have picked him up

In the least, he'd be waiting on the practice team for an injury out there.

[King Imp]

And Eli needs to WAKE THE FUCK UP and stop throwing those fucking ints!

Eli's problem is he still thinks that he is throwing to Plaxico Burress. He's in the habit of throwing everything high because Plax was so tall. Steve Smith is like a midget compared to Burress, yet Eli still keeps throwing it 10 feet over his head.

Until he breaks this habit and realizes Plax isn't coming back, then the INTs will continue.

[Gutter]

Snoogans......you win......Reynaud blows camels. ran right into traffic a couple times last night and got popped.

Dodge seems to have found his comfort zone though.....aside from making a horrible mistake kicking, what really was an excellent punt, to Dez Bryant he's been playing better.

With Hixon and Moss on IR who goes back for returns if its not Reynaud? Barden? Calhoun? tough choices there.


anyway, i was happy about the win last night, but we can NOT nearly give up an entire 18 point lead with 4min to go in the 4th....a better team would have beaten us at the end of the game. A better team would have also converted a lot more of those turnovers.

That block from Boss and Snee on Manninghams TD reception was tits.

[Justice4all]

Eli's problem is he still thinks that he is throwing to Plaxico Burress. He's in the habit of throwing everything high because Plax was so tall. Steve Smith is like a midget compared to Burress, yet Eli still keeps throwing it 10 feet over his head.

Until he breaks this habit and realizes Plax isn't coming back, then the INTs will continue.

Yep. And many of those INTs were because of those high passes way over the receivers head. I just can't stand Eli, he has very little versatility.

And on a similar note.... the Giants D just got a major blow. This is going to hurt us big time. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/10/28/kiwanuka.ap/index.html?eref=sihp#)

[Gutter]

Yep. And many of those INTs were because of those high passes way over the receivers head. I just can't stand Eli, he has very little versatility.

And on a similar note.... the Giants D just got a major blow. This is going to hurt us big time. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/10/28/kiwanuka.ap/index.html?eref=sihp#)

i'm actually ok with this.....Kiwanuka has been gone for the past 4 games and to be honest, i haven't really noticed. His IR placement couldn't come at a better time either.....Kiwi goes to IR, and we pick up Blackmon from the Packers. Blackmon gets a whole week and a half to work out with Big Blue during the bye week, and by the time Nov 7th rolls around, it'll be like he's been there the whole time. Sounds like they're going to use him for returns as well.

[spoon]

With Hixon and Moss on IR who goes back for returns if its not Reynaud? Barden? Calhoun? tough choices there.


anyway, i was happy about the win last night, but we can NOT nearly give up an entire 18 point lead with 4min to go in the 4th....a better team would have beaten us at the end of the game. A better team would have also converted a lot more of those turnovers.

That block from Boss and Snee on Manninghams TD reception was tits.

Barden is way too big for that role so my guess would be a lesser wr or db at this point, even though Reynaud will continue to get the work in my mind.

As for Eli, he hasn't played that badly and a TON of his ints are actually directly a result of a mistake by the wrs (right off their hands and into the dbs). Game one for example it seemingly happened on every other drive. Take those 3 and more off the books and his stats are pretty darn good. I'm not saying he's elite right now, but he's surely not the issue if there is one compared to the rest of the league. The Giants are sitting pretty solid right now at the bye, with even Jacobs coming back to help the running game of late.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I still wonder if a new INT category is needed, for Touch Before Interception, or TINT. Interceptions that are not direct results of the QB throwing it to an opposing player. They would still be treated as a turnover, but would affect the QB's rating differently.

[Gutter]

Barden is way too big for that role so my guess would be a lesser wr or db at this point, even though Reynaud will continue to get the work in my mind.

As for Eli, he hasn't played that badly and a TON of his ints are actually directly a result of a mistake by the wrs (right off their hands and into the dbs). Game one for example it seemingly happened on every other drive. Take those 3 and more off the books and his stats are pretty darn good. I'm not saying he's elite right now, but he's surely not the issue if there is one compared to the rest of the league. The Giants are sitting pretty solid right now at the bye, with even Jacobs coming back to help the running game of late.

this is why i constantly argue there there should be a differential in the INT stats for QB's....much like the difference btwn a pass ball and a wild pitch in baseball. people get fucking nuts when i bring this idea up though.

Jacobs has been awesome lately.....and going back to the returns situation, Barden and Calhoun are our only other receivers besides manningham, smith, and nicks. although, the report about picking up Blackmon from the packers made it sound like there were going to use him for returns as well. could be problem solved right there, though, i'm not so sure i've ever seen a guy start on D and then handle punt and kickoff returns too.

[Snoogans]

this is why i constantly argue there there should be a differential in the INT stats for QB's....much like the difference btwn a pass ball and a wild pitch in baseball. people get fucking nuts when i bring this idea up though.

Jacobs has been awesome lately.....and going back to the returns situation, Barden and Calhoun are our only other receivers besides manningham, smith, and nicks. although, the report about picking up Blackmon from the packers made it sound like there were going to use him for returns as well. could be problem solved right there, though, i'm not so sure i've ever seen a guy start on D and then handle punt and kickoff returns too.

yea, that deion sanders guy was a bum

ed reed did it for awhile too before he started gettin hurt.
Also, didnt both rod woodsen and charles woodsen do it at times?

[Gutter]

yea, that deion sanders guy was a bum

ed reed did it for awhile too before he started gettin hurt.
Also, didnt both rod woodsen and charles woodsen do it at times?

cornerback, free safety, safety, cornerback.


Blackmon is filling in at DE. although, this is the internet so i guess i should have specified to avoid getting beaten in the face with a fucking shovel cause i was insanely precise in my comment.

[Snoogans]

cornerback, free safety, safety, cornerback.


Blackmon is filling in at DE. although, this is the internet so i guess i should have specified to avoid getting beaten in the face with a fucking shovel cause i was insanely precise in my comment.

relax chief. you just said you dont recall seein people start on D and return kicks.

[Gutter]

relax chief. you just said you dont recall seein people start on D and return kicks.

i forgot to type the word "line" as in "start on D line".......and don't assume tonality in text...its very difficult to decipher correctly.

besides....we're both Giants fans.....lets not fight....its what Philly would want, and thats how the terrorists win.

[Tenbatsuzen]

this is why i constantly argue there there should be a differential in the INT stats for QB's....much like the difference btwn a pass ball and a wild pitch in baseball. people get fucking nuts when i bring this idea up though.


I don't think so. I mean, it's a really easy play to judge. a Touch Before Interception should be when a player on the same team as the QB (usually a receiver) has contact with the ball that leads to an interception. It is not the same as a defensive player batting/touching the ball and then is intercepted by another defender.

Your wild pitch/passed ball corollary is dead on. A wild pitch (INT) is the thrower's fault, the passed ball (TINT) is the receiver's fault.

They have stats for everything else in football, why NOT this?

[Gutter]

I don't think so. I mean, it's a really easy play to judge. a Touch Before Interception should be when a player on the same team as the QB (usually a receiver) has contact with the ball that leads to an interception. It is not the same as a defensive player batting/touching the ball and then is intercepted by another defender.

Your wild pitch/passed ball corollary is dead on. A wild pitch (INT) is the thrower's fault, the passed ball (TINT) is the receiver's fault.

They have stats for everything else in football, why NOT this?

you should see some people react to this idea. you would think i was waving a banner in favor of eating dead babies.

[Tenbatsuzen]

you should see some people react to this idea. you would think i was waving a banner in favor of eating dead babies.

See, here's the thing...

When the QB throws the ball and it is in catching distance of a WR, he's done everything right. Once the WR touches the ball and directly affects the flight of the ball, everything that happens to that ball past the touch is on him.

What I cannot STAND is when WRs touch the ball, the ball pops up in the air, and they just stand around and don't D the ball at all.

Refresh my memory on PI - if a D player touches the ball in flight, PI rules are off for D, but what about if an O player touches the ball?

[Gutter]

See, here's the thing...

When the QB throws the ball and it is in catching distance of a WR, he's done everything right. Once the WR touches the ball and directly affects the flight of the ball, everything that happens to that ball past the touch is on him.

What I cannot STAND is when WRs touch the ball, the ball pops up in the air, and they just stand around and don't D the ball at all.

Refresh my memory on PI - if a D player touches the ball in flight, PI rules are off for D, but what about if an O player touches the ball?

amen brutha...amen..

and i'm not sure about what the PI rules officially say, but i think anytime a player, offensive or defensive, impedes another player from catching the ball before it gets there, the flag gets thrown.

[Tenbatsuzen]

amen brutha...amen..

and i'm not sure about what the PI rules officially say, but i think anytime a player, offensive or defensive, impedes another player from catching the ball before it gets there, the flag gets thrown.

Yes, but if a defensive player touches the ball in-flight, then pass interference rules are off.

I.E. if Eli throws a pass and a LB on the line gets a hand up to block it and affects the spiral of the ball but doesn't stop it, PI isn't called. PI is only up to the point of contact - so if the ball if live, and touched before getting to receivers... fair game.

So if that's the rule, I do wonder why not on the touch before INT rule?

When someone freaks out about this, ask this question: The QB did everything right in getting the ball to his receiver. Receiver affected the ball. So why should the stat negatively affect the QB?

[Gutter]

oh i've tried. some ppl just don't get it.

[spoon]

oh i've tried. some ppl just don't get it.

Or they simply think a rule like that is way to grey and all qb's play by the same set of rules in regard to rating. It all evens out and there is no need to put that stat into the mix. What's next, when a qb throws it right into the hands of the D and they drop it equals negative points? I think the rating system is so odd anyway, most casual fans rate their qb's based on winning and simply what they see. I'm not a fan of adding more grey area to any rule. If so, we'll start seeing picks being ruled as not the qb's fault all over as errors get ruled hits to save Jeter's chances at gold gloves. Leave it be.

[Justice4all]

Barden is way too big for that role so my guess would be a lesser wr or db at this point, even though Reynaud will continue to get the work in my mind.

As for Eli, he hasn't played that badly and a TON of his ints are actually directly a result of a mistake by the wrs (right off their hands and into the dbs). Game one for example it seemingly happened on every other drive. Take those 3 and more off the books and his stats are pretty darn good. I'm not saying he's elite right now, but he's surely not the issue if there is one compared to the rest of the league. The Giants are sitting pretty solid right now at the bye, with even Jacobs coming back to help the running game of late.

That's my issue with Eli right now (and it seems...for a long time) if you look close at those passes that went off the receivers hands a LOT of those passes were overthrown by Eli. To a receiver who was double covered I might add. Take the 1st INT from the Dallas game. That's a classic case of Eli throwing the ball way too high, the receiver needing to jump in the air to get it, and it being too high. (I think Smith was the intended receiver at that point. I didn't see it, was on my way home from work)

You can only blame the receiving corps so much, but look at the passes they are getting thrown.

Oh and 5 turnovers is a sloppy ass win in my book. I just wonder if we are as good as some analysts are saying. We've been in this position before the classic collapse.

[Justice4all]

amen brutha...amen..

and i'm not sure about what the PI rules officially say, but i think anytime a player, offensive or defensive, impedes another player from catching the ball before it gets there, the flag gets thrown.

As long as the ball is catchable. If it's nowhere in the vicinity of the receiver then the flag should NOT be thrown.

[spoon]

That's my issue with Eli right now (and it seems...for a long time) if you look close at those passes that went off the receivers hands a LOT of those passes were overthrown by Eli. To a receiver who was double covered I might add. Take the 1st INT from the Dallas game. That's a classic case of Eli throwing the ball way too high, the receiver needing to jump in the air to get it, and it being too high. (I think Smith was the intended receiver at that point. I didn't see it, was on my way home from work)

You can only blame the receiving corps so much, but look at the passes they are getting thrown.

Oh and 5 turnovers is a sloppy ass win in my book. I just wonder if we are as good as some analysts are saying. We've been in this position before the classic collapse.

So you just went into detail on why a pick was Eli's fault and you didn't even see the play? You are fucking awesome!

[Justice4all]

So you just went into detail on why a pick was Eli's fault and you didn't even see the play? You are fucking awesome!

Laugh it up fuzzball.
I did see the replay after the game on ESPN and watched both throws. So yes I did see it, just not LIVE as it happened.

And it doesn't change the fact I am still right.

[spoon]

You said in the post that at that time you DIDN'T see the play bc you were on the way home from work. You asked after your synopsis on said play a question about it. So being that you did FINALLY see the play after said post doesn't make you right, it makes your guess on point, if in fact it's true which I have no way of validating. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess nope.

[Justice4all]

You said in the post that at that time you DIDN'T see the play bc you were on the way home from work. You asked after your synopsis on said play a question about it. So being that you did FINALLY see the play after said post doesn't make you right, it makes your guess on point, if in fact it's true which I have no way of validating. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess nope.

Ok...*sigh*....I saw the play on the highlights on ESPN (they made a point to show the near-INT and then the INT on the very next play) both passes was overthrown and were touched by the receiver. One just happened to be an INT. (lucky it wasn't both)
The only thing I couldn't remember was who the ball was being thrown to.

[Earlshog]

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/11/seahawks_quarterback_matt_hass.html


The Seahawks have ruled Matt Hasselbeck out for Sunday, meaning Charlie Whitehurst will make his first NFL start and will throw his first career pass.

[Gutter]

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/11/seahawks_quarterback_matt_hass.html


The Seahawks have ruled Matt Hasselbeck out for Sunday, meaning Charlie Whitehurst will make his first NFL start and will throw his first career pass.

I see another QB going down at the hands of the ferocious Giants D.

[Furtherman]

I see another QB going down at the hands of the ferocious Giants D.

Ferocious Giant Duck!!!!

http://cache.wists.com/thumbnails/c/84/c84c0b86b3b4342f170166bf2135063c-orig

[Justice4all]

I see another QB going down at the hands of the ferocious Giants D.

Maybe. It depends on how well their O line is. And judging by their W-L record I'd say not that great.

Again this will be an example of we SHOULD win. And by a mile. But let's see if the Giants play down to their opponent like they have in the past.

[Justice4all]

Now this is exactly how we were supposed to play.

Solid, good blowout.
Good tune up for Dallas next week.

[Dell]

Now this is exactly how we were supposed to play.

Solid, good blowout.
Good tune up for Dallas next week.

they're playing Seattle...but best of luck to them next week...

[Justice4all]

they're playing Seattle...but best of luck to them next week...

Which is why it should have been a blowout and not just a win.

[cougarjake13]

they're playing Seattle...but best of luck to them next week...

what you dont realize is the giants are usually


horrible after bye weeks under coughlin
horrible on west coast

and play down to the comp and keep games closer than they should be



so it was def a good surprise but its only one game

[Justice4all]

what you dont realize is the giants are usually


horrible after bye weeks under coughlin
horrible on west coast

and play down to the comp and keep games closer than they should be



so it was def a good surprise but its only one game

In a league where you play 16 games for a season there is no such thing as ONLY one game unless you start the season at 0-8 like Buffalo. Every game is as important as the one before and the one after.
But you do make two good points. Yes they are usually crappy on the west coast. And they have always had a habit of playing down to the opponent. Glad to see that changed at least for today.

Our biggest game in the next three weeks is actually Philly. They are the closest to us. If we can beat them in Philly that would be a huge advantage.

I've seen Giants teams who were at 6-2 and went to 8-8 by seasons end. Let's hope that isn't going to happen this year.

[spoon]

Now this is exactly how we were supposed to play.

Solid, good blowout.
Good tune up for Dallas next week.

You may in fact be retarded. The Seahawks are much better at home and were never beaten at home by the Giants EVER until then. So no, I wouldn't say it should have been a 34 pt win...EVER.

And the team's O-line must be bad bc of their record? You make quite loose deductions don't you. Now that's analysis baby! They did have some injuries on the O-line so you know, but it's their ROAD record that is hurting them right now, along with losing their starting qb.

[Justice4all]

You may in fact be retarded. The Seahawks are much better at home and were never beaten at home by the Giants EVER until then. So no, I wouldn't say it should have been a 34 pt win...EVER.

And the team's O-line must be bad bc of their record? You make quite loose deductions don't you. Now that's analysis baby! They did have some injuries on the O-line so you know, but it's their ROAD record that is hurting them right now, along with losing their starting qb.


Ok...we played good solid defense. No sacks but two picks (one in the end zone) and every time the O touched the ball we did damage. Pretty much what you should expect with the talent on this team.

Have you seen any of the Seahawks games? They got slammed by the Raiders last week and for a while they were the ONLY win in the Vikings cap. AND their starting QB goes down and the guy to replace him never took a snap in the NFL in his life! And he goes up against one of the most damaging D line in the whole league and you call ME Retarded? Check yourself there Spoony or I might think you really are watching DWTS with your bestest buddy there instead of football.

So YEA that is exactly how I say we were supposed to play. Week in...week out.

[spoon]

sooooo

your team should dominate week in and week out?

also, we're talking about the seahawks and yes I have watched them play, especially when they took out SD AT HOME! Did you even realize they were over .500 coming into this game undefeated at home?! Now I picked the Giants to cover like most with what was going on, but let's also realize they made some really odd mistakes and it immediately changed the game. Such as the pass in Mike Williams hands that was a td early that turned into a td the other way bc of the wr's AWFUL play. The fumble by Leon Washington that pretty much handed the Giants a td. It's football buddy, bounces NEVER always go your way and I don't think the Hawks played well by any stretch, but don't even try to act like I don't know the game when you didn't even know they didn't even play the Vikings this year. Nice work.

[Gutter]

The Giants finally played a complete game sunday. Just awesome on all fronts. Blackmon had a nice showing in his first game as a NY Giant....had about a 30 yard return and filled in nicely for Kiwi on the end. I would have liked to see the Giants get a few sacks in that game, but it didnt' look like the plan was to all out blitz the QB.....we covered the run and forced Whitehurst to out play us and he couldn't. Nicks continues to be incredible and the Giants receiving core again showed why they are the best in the NFL. TD's for Boss, Nicks, and Smith...Manningham and Pascoe had nice catches too. Mitch Petrus is a beast. Terrell Thomas (T squared as i like to call him) had a crazy INT in the end zone and continues to be one of my favorites. its good when your team is dominating so much that the game is almost boring to watch.

[Justice4all]

sooooo

your team should dominate week in and week out?



Not dominate but play a complete game on all ends of the ball. O and D.
They were absolutely going to dominate the Seahawks because of how banged up the 'hawks were. But to do that to every team? I doubt it.
I can only see the Cowboys next week getting that same ass whooping. That's about it for the immediate future.

And fine...I was wrong about the Vikings (miss-saw the schedule) but 4-3 in that weak division is nothing to be proud of.

Again that was the first time I saw the Giants play a complete game on both sides of the ball. Not like the Chicago game we saw, where the D took it to them and the O didn't show up until the 4th qtr.

And did you notice that Eli FINALLY was putting passes well within reach for most of the game? Look at that Boss TD catch. Perfectly thrown ball. It was a good game for him (and everyone)

[Justice4all]

The Giants finally played a complete game sunday. Just awesome on all fronts. Blackmon had a nice showing in his first game as a NY Giant....had about a 30 yard return and filled in nicely for Kiwi on the end. I would have liked to see the Giants get a few sacks in that game, but it didnt' look like the plan was to all out blitz the QB.....we covered the run and forced Whitehurst to out play us and he couldn't. Nicks continues to be incredible and the Giants receiving core again showed why they are the best in the NFL. TD's for Boss, Nicks, and Smith...Manningham and Pascoe had nice catches too. Mitch Petrus is a beast. Terrell Thomas (T squared as i like to call him) had a crazy INT in the end zone and continues to be one of my favorites. its good when your team is dominating so much that the game is almost boring to watch.

yes but for once it's nice to sit back after the 1st half and not have to worry if we are going to give the game away in the 2nd half. It was nice to not be stressed out as a fan.

[Justice4all]

If the Giants can play the exact same way they did in Seattle vs. the Cowboys we should see another blowout.

If they give the Cowboys 5 turnovers like they did a few weeks ago it could get ugly again.

[Gutter]

yes but for once it's nice to sit back after the 1st half and not have to worry if we are going to give the game away in the 2nd half. It was nice to not be stressed out as a fan.

true true. i think they should have taken Eli out earlier. lots of injuries were going on towards the end of that game.

[Justice4all]

true true. i think they should have taken Eli out earlier. lots of injuries were going on towards the end of that game.

Maybe, but he was barely being touched so I don't think he was in too much danger of being injured.

[Justice4all]

COME ON Defense! You have to clamp down on this team and rip their balls off!

How can you let completions like that happen???
This is a backup QB and a team that's given up.

[Barnaby Jones]

That's not who you're supposed to throw the ball to, silly pants!!!!!!!

[Justice4all]

If the Giants can play the exact same way they did in Seattle vs. the Cowboys we should see another blowout.

If they give the Cowboys 5 turnovers like they did a few weeks ago it could get ugly again.

I was wrong....it only took TWO turnovers.
I KNEW this was going to happen. I just knew it!
The Giants started to believe the hype.

Eli sucks SO badly it turns my stomach.
He overthrew his receivers by about 4-5 feet in the last plays of the game. If he threw in the numbers they would have caught the ball.
When he DOES throw in the numbers he does it when the defender is in front of his receivers.
I can't stand it anymore.
Anybody but Eli at this point. I can't take it.

[epo]

Anybody but Eli at this point. I can't take it.

Are you sure you want to say that?

A 29 yr old QB who is entering his prime, already has a SB ring, is the 8th ranked QB in the league this year and the team is 6-3.

Are you sure Eli is so bad?

[Justice4all]

Are you sure you want to say that?

A 29 yr old QB who is entering his prime, already has a SB ring, is the 8th ranked QB in the league this year and the team is 6-3.

Are you sure Eli is so bad?

He is not the worst but with a team that is 6-3 why is the QB ranked 14th?
He is not nearly as good as so many other people think he is. My list is long with what I see wrong with this guy.
Go to the NFL thread to see my issues with tonights game. It's redundant when it comes to him. I see so many mistakes from a 7 year vet it makes me mad.

[cougarjake13]

I was wrong....it only took TWO turnovers.
I KNEW this was going to happen. I just knew it!
The Giants started to believe the hype.

Eli sucks SO badly it turns my stomach.
He overthrew his receivers by about 4-5 feet in the last plays of the game. If he threw in the numbers they would have caught the ball.
When he DOES throw in the numbers he does it when the defender is in front of his receivers.
I can't stand it anymore.
Anybody but Eli at this point. I can't take it.



eli's been doing it his whole career ... he was just bailed out a lot by plax and occasionally the guys we have now like hicks, boss , and smith

[Gutter]

i'd rather have a five game win streak snapped as opposed to snapping a six game losing streak. we'll be refocused now for the Eagles, claim that top spot again in the NFC East, and start a brand new streak running into the later part of the season. i wouldn't mind loosing one more in between there right near the end so we could have a big push going into the playoffs.

[Snoogans]

I was wrong....it only took TWO turnovers.
I KNEW this was going to happen. I just knew it!
The Giants started to believe the hype.

Eli sucks SO badly it turns my stomach.
He overthrew his receivers by about 4-5 feet in the last plays of the game. If he threw in the numbers they would have caught the ball.
When he DOES throw in the numbers he does it when the defender is in front of his receivers.
I can't stand it anymore.
Anybody but Eli at this point. I can't take it.

is this serious? The guy was coming off 3 straight triple digit QB Ratings and at least half of his picks arent his fault. He had one bad game in week 10 and you are hanging him already. And then the fans wonder why Osi tells Bron to stay away, one bad game and they will eat him alive. Its cause of insane people like you. The offense isnt why the Giants lost. And Eli still almost got them back in it. If not for that stupid hold by Booth they may still win it.

You are blind

[Snoogans]

He is not the worst but with a team that is 6-3 why is the QB ranked 14th?
He is not nearly as good as so many other people think he is. My list is long with what I see wrong with this guy.
Go to the NFL thread to see my issues with tonights game. It's redundant when it comes to him. I see so many mistakes from a 7 year vet it makes me mad.

maybe cause the Giants run alot? Do you even watch the fuckin games? Why does the QB have to be ranked number 1 to be good? The giants run more than most teams now. Even if Eli was perfect, he wouldnt lead the league in passing. How can you continuously be so wrong

What you see wrong with the guy? Im sorry, Mr QB expert, what is it exactly you see wrong with the guy? His best receiver was out? His offensive line is patchwork from injuries and his defense didnt stop a single person on Dallas. Yea Eli is so awful. Did you see how he missed that tackle on felix jones 71 yard screen.

I mean, come on Tom. Even the pick 6 wasnt on Eli. Nicks fucked up, he shoulda been underneath. Thats a timing route. You know nothing about Quarterbacks or football.

[Snoogans]

eli's been doing it his whole career ... he was just bailed out a lot by plax and occasionally the guys we have now like hicks, boss , and smith

hold on hold on hold on. Bailed out? He has 7 INTs off the hands of his WRs. Im sorry, i didnt know Eli has had Jerry Rice's all over the field.

Let me just make sure I get this. Eli sucks because he isnt the best QB in the league? THREE STRAIGHT GAMES WITH A RATING OVER 100. One of them it was like 150. What is he supposed to be perfect every fuckin day?

This shit is why everyone hates yankee fans. Giants fans usually werent like this. Stop acting like fuckin yankee fans and open your eyes and actually watch your own team play you jackasses. The last thing wrong with the team right now is fuckin Eli Manning. the LAST thing

[Snoogans]

211-319 (66.1%) 2448 yards 19 TD and 13 INTs (conservatively 6 of those are on WRs) QB rating of 92.1 Take away those 6 INTs that arent on him and his rating is huge.

Explain to me why this is garbage?

just for anyone who is wonder. At this moment, 93.9 is PEYTON MANNINGS QB RATING. 1 point less. He is basically having as good a year as PEYTON FUCKIN MANNING. What a goddamn bum, am I right guys?

Here are some of the complete bums who have a worse rating than eli (dallas game included)

Drew Brees
Matt Ryan
Matt Schaub
Aaron Rodgers
Joe Flacco
Mark Sanchez (who everyone talks about as being awesome)
Brett Favre

[Furtherman]

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And you faggots talk about us. At least we beat up the OTHER teams fans. Cant wait til Sunday night. :thumbup:

[Judge Smails]

And you faggots talk about us. At least we beat up the OTHER teams fans. Cant wait til Sunday night. :thumbup:


Naw . . . you guys just intentionally vomit on little girls who happen to be fans of your own teams.

Stay classy Philadelphia.

[Furtherman]

Naw . . . you guys just intentionally vomit on little girls who happen to be fans of your own teams.

Stay classy Philadelphia.

That guy was from Cherry Hill.

[Judge Smails]

That guy was from Cherry Hill.

Excuse me, I'm so sorry.

Stay classy, Philadelphia Metropilitan Area.

[Snoogans]

Excuse me, I'm so sorry.

Stay classy, Philadelphia Metropilitan Area.

everybody knows everything south of Newark airport that isnt on the ocean is south jersey philly territory anyway

[Justice4all]

maybe cause the Giants run alot? Do you even watch the fuckin games? Why does the QB have to be ranked number 1 to be good? The giants run more than most teams now. Even if Eli was perfect, he wouldnt lead the league in passing. How can you continuously be so wrong

What you see wrong with the guy? Im sorry, Mr QB expert, what is it exactly you see wrong with the guy? His best receiver was out? His offensive line is patchwork from injuries and his defense didnt stop a single person on Dallas. Yea Eli is so awful. Did you see how he missed that tackle on felix jones 71 yard screen.

I mean, come on Tom. Even the pick 6 wasnt on Eli. Nicks fucked up, he shoulda been underneath. Thats a timing route. You know nothing about Quarterbacks or football.

Every Game Shawn...I watch every game. And in EVERY one he throws a pick it's usually more then one. Yes the one was Nicks' fault. He blew his route. But the second one? All on Eli.
How about the fumble he caused by trying to throw the ball away vs. just falling on it?
That's not a mistake a QB with his seasoning should have, yet he does things like that time and again.
And how about the clock management. Every other game he either has a delay of game or has to call a time out because he can't get his act together?

How can YOU not see him throw over his receivers by 3 feet at least. Yes some of his INT's are not his fault....they go through the receivers hands ect. but if they didn't have to reach for the sky half the time most of those picks would be avoidable.

Look at the game in Seattle. He hit Boss in the endzone almost in the numbers. PERFECT pass and it had zero chance of being picked off. He doesn't have a throw like that half the time.

Want a perfect example? The "miracle catch" in the Super Bowl was a VERY overthrown ball that happened to be caught by our guy.
He can't keep throwing like Plaxico is still on the team.

I'm sorry man but I think he should have worked out some of these kinks YEARS ago and we let him slide because, with alot of surrounded talent and an INSANE D, he won a Super Bowl with this team.

I am pulling examples like those because he makes mistakes even with a healthy O line. But yes you are right that they're pretty banged up right now. So he doesn't have as much protection.

[Justice4all]

Excuse me, I'm so sorry.

Stay classy, Philadelphia Metropilitan Area.

Holy shit! I just pissed myself laughing at what your wrote!
:clap: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Snoogans]

Every Game Shawn...I watch every game. And in EVERY one he throws a pick it's usually more then one. Yes the one was Nicks' fault. He blew his route. But the second one? All on Eli.
How about the fumble he caused by trying to throw the ball away vs. just falling on it?
That's not a mistake a QB with his seasoning should have, yet he does things like that time and again.
And how about the clock management. Every other game he either has a delay of game or has to call a time out because he can't get his act together?

How can YOU not see him throw over his receivers by 3 feet at least. Yes some of his INT's are not his fault....they go through the receivers hands ect. but if they didn't have to reach for the sky half the time most of those picks would be avoidable.

Look at the game in Seattle. He hit Boss in the endzone almost in the numbers. PERFECT pass and it had zero chance of being picked off. He doesn't have a throw like that half the time.

Want a perfect example? The "miracle catch" in the Super Bowl was a VERY overthrown ball that happened to be caught by our guy.
He can't keep throwing like Plaxico is still on the team.

I'm sorry man but I think he should have worked out some of these kinks YEARS ago and we let him slide because, with alot of surrounded talent and an INSANE D, he won a Super Bowl with this team.

I am pulling examples like those because he makes mistakes even with a healthy O line. But yes you are right that they're pretty banged up right now. So he doesn't have as much protection.

im right about everything. You are attacking the one guy who hasnt really cost us games this year. And way to bring up the superbowl. You are a moron. That was a broken play thrown up for grabs, not a route that eli over threw. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SPORTS. EVERY QB MAKES MISTAKES LIKE THAT SOMETIMES. THE GUY WAS COMIN OFF THREE CONSECUTIVE TRIPLE DIGIT QB RATINGS. You cant do that on accident. And he is not even CLOSE to the reason we lost to dallas.

This is what people mean with yankee fans tom. You are fuckin KILLING a guy for not being the best QB in the league. He is a top ten, maybe even top 5 QB and you are killing him cause he isnt perfect on every fuckin pass. Jesus christ, learn about the shit you watch

as for the bolded part, I love your assumptions. Clock Management is not usually on the QB, its the coaching. You can act like eli takes delays of game but how do you know its not coughlin gettin the plays in too slow. You DONT KNOW, but you shoot your mouth off and make difinitive statements about it like you know.

If I was gonna list the issues with the giants this season, Eli would be at or near last on the list. I mean what the fuck do you want from the guy? at LEAST 6 of his INTs are not his fault, and even counting those 6 he has a 92 rating. Again, LOOK AT THE LIST OF GUYS HIS RATING IS BETTER THAN. By your logic, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers must be complete bums. Take away the INTs that arent eli's fault and he would be like 3rd in rating.

You are just wrong. Flat out and completely wrong

[Snoogans]

211-319 (66.1%) 2448 yards 19 TD and 13 INTs (conservatively 6 of those are on WRs) QB rating of 92.1 Take away those 6 INTs that arent on him and his rating is huge.

Explain to me why this is garbage?

just for anyone who is wonder. At this moment, 93.9 is PEYTON MANNINGS QB RATING. 1 point less. He is basically having as good a year as PEYTON FUCKIN MANNING. What a goddamn bum, am I right guys?

Here are some of the complete bums who have a worse rating than eli (dallas game included)

Drew Brees
Matt Ryan
Matt Schaub
Aaron Rodgers
Joe Flacco
Mark Sanchez (who everyone talks about as being awesome)
Brett Favre

once again so Tom actually sees this

[Justice4all]

im right about everything. You are attacking the one guy who hasnt really cost us games this year. And way to bring up the superbowl. You are a moron. That was a broken play thrown up for grabs, not a route that eli over threw. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SPORTS. EVERY QB MAKES MISTAKES LIKE THAT SOMETIMES. THE GUY WAS COMIN OFF THREE CONSECUTIVE TRIPLE DIGIT QB RATINGS. You cant do that on accident. And he is not even CLOSE to the reason we lost to dallas.

This is what people mean with yankee fans tom. You are fuckin KILLING a guy for not being the best QB in the league. He is a top ten, maybe even top 5 QB and you are killing him cause he isnt perfect on every fuckin pass. Jesus christ, learn about the shit you watch

as for the bolded part, I love your assumptions. Clock Management is not usually on the QB, its the coaching. You can act like eli takes delays of game but how do you know its not coughlin gettin the plays in too slow. You DONT KNOW, but you shoot your mouth off and make difinitive statements about it like you know.

If I was gonna list the issues with the giants this season, Eli would be at or near last on the list. I mean what the fuck do you want from the guy? at LEAST 6 of his INTs are not his fault, and even counting those 6 he has a 92 rating. Again, LOOK AT THE LIST OF GUYS HIS RATING IS BETTER THAN. By your logic, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers must be complete bums. Take away the INTs that arent eli's fault and he would be like 3rd in rating.

You are just wrong. Flat out and completely wrong


Ok...whatever.....I'm done with this conversation. You're right...you're always right, never wrong.

Feel better?

Next poster please.

And just so you know...the Yankees are BASEBALL, Giants are FOOTBALL. Not only two different teams but two totally different sports. DWTS really screwing up your perception isn't it?? (yes I am going to ride that wave for a LONG time...thanks for the ammo!)

[Snoogans]

Ok...whatever.....I'm done with this conversation. You're right...you're always right, never wrong.

Feel better?

Next poster please.

yea moron, dont bother to actually read it. just act like a child. How can you watch so many games and be so blind to what actually happens in the game. Read it, seriously, you might actually learn something

[Justice4all]

yea moron, dont bother to actually read it. just act like a child. How can you watch so many games and be so blind to what actually happens in the game. Read it, seriously, you might actually learn something

I read it....just not going to waste time with a back and forth.

To quote a friend of mine....aaaaaaaaaaaaand..SCENE!

[Snoogans]

I read it....just not going to waste time with a back and forth.

To quote a friend of mine....aaaaaaaaaaaaand..SCENE!

wow are you gay. Isnt the point of a messageboard to go back and forth? Why else post there? I try to help you cause as a Giants fan, its embarrassing to have other people representing giants fans and saying dumb shit like you do and screaming about probably the best part of the team and how terrible it is.

[Tenbatsuzen]

everybody knows everything south of Newark airport that isnt on the ocean is south jersey philly territory anyway

FUCK YOU SNOOGANS

[Justice4all]

Glad to see I'm not the only one shitting a brick about facing the Eagles. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/11/19/giants-eagles/index.html)

[spoon]

This game will be NOTHING like last week for either team.

[Justice4all]

This game will be NOTHING like last week for either team.

I don't know whether to take that as good or bad for either team. Care to elaborate?

You think the Giants D is better than the Redskins so less points will be put up on the board?

Or do you think the Eagles D is a lesser team than the Cowboys were?

And what do you predict would be the outcome. I am seriously curious to know.

[Justice4all]

I think it's safe to say that today's the day we find out if this team is a repeat of last years team.

[spoon]

No, you'll find out the result of ONE game, not some magical formula showing the rest of the season's results. Can you give up on this whole last year is this year bullshit?

Let's also remember, Shannahan is a AWFUL head coach in terms of defensive schemes. He and his D coord were simply embarrassed last week and it won't happen this week (to NY). Look for the Giants to get pressure on Vick early and make him throw in the middle of the field into coverage. They don't need any track meets on the edge with Jackson, and they'll try to keep him contained based on it. They'll try to make Vick beat them underneath where he'll throw a few picks in my mind (first picks of the year).

It'll be a close game with the Eagles going for I think their 5th straight against the Giants, at home no less. With the NY offensive line in shambles, protection could be an issue, not to mention running the ball well. Still, it's not like the Eagles stop the run well regardless.

[spoon]

Also, don't underestimate the loss of Smith as a possession WR for the Giants. He usually draws a lot of underneath coverage with Boss, but now Nicks will probably see more double coverage (which still won't work).

This game will probably come down to who protects the ball better and limits big plays. Make the Eagles sustain long drives and the Giants can win. However, it'll be a tough road for the Giants.



And just wow, helmet to helmet there!? Fuck you NFL. What a bunch of shit.

[Justice4all]

No, you'll find out the result of ONE game, not some magical formula showing the rest of the season's results. Can you give up on this whole last year is this year bullshit?

Let's also remember, Shannahan is a AWFUL head coach in terms of defensive schemes. He and his D coord were simply embarrassed last week and it won't happen this week (to NY). Look for the Giants to get pressure on Vick early and make him throw in the middle of the field into coverage. They don't need any track meets on the edge with Jackson, and they'll try to keep him contained based on it. They'll try to make Vick beat them underneath where he'll throw a few picks in my mind (first picks of the year).

It'll be a close game with the Eagles going for I think their 5th straight against the Giants, at home no less. With the NY offensive line in shambles, protection could be an issue, not to mention running the ball well. Still, it's not like the Eagles stop the run well regardless.

Also, don't underestimate the loss of Smith as a possession WR for the Giants. He usually draws a lot of underneath coverage with Boss, but now Nicks will probably see more double coverage (which still won't work).

This game will probably come down to who protects the ball better and limits big plays. Make the Eagles sustain long drives and the Giants can win. However, it'll be a tough road for the Giants.



Well you make really good points. The most important being that our O line is shredded with injuries and Smith being out is also a big loss. I think that played a part in the Dallas loss last week.

We need to keep Jackson contained. And you are right about the Eagles D but with our O line being what it is, to quote the name of an old band 'They might be Giants' when it comes to how they might look today.

The Giants D...yes....keep the pressure on Vick early and often. Something I didn't see that much last week.

If we keep the turnover rate to ZERO we have a fighting chance.
I'm going to be nervous this whole damn game. And I'm with you about how the blowout from last week won't happen this week (odds are) but the Eagles still looked great. Vick looks better NOW then when he played for Atlanta. He's a very well rounded QB.

[spoon]

Buff now just SMACKING the Bengals in the face. Ha!

[Justice4all]

Well you make really good points. The most important being that our O line is shredded with injuries and Smith being out is also a big loss. I think that played a part in the Dallas loss last week.

We need to keep Jackson contained. And you are right about the Eagles D but with our O line being what it is, to quote the name of an old band 'They might be Giants' when it comes to how they might look today.

The Giants D...yes....keep the pressure on Vick early and often. Something I didn't see that much last week.

If we keep the turnover rate to ZERO we have a fighting chance.
I'm going to be nervous this whole damn game. And I'm with you about how the blowout from last week won't happen this week (odds are) but the Eagles still looked great. Vick looks better NOW then when he played for Atlanta. He's a very well rounded QB.


Thanks Bradshaw....that's ONE

[Justice4all]

If we keep the turnover rate to ZERO we have a fighting chance.
I'm going to be nervous this whole damn game. And I'm with you about how the blowout from last week won't happen this week (odds are) but the Eagles still looked great. Vick looks better NOW then when he played for Atlanta. He's a very well rounded QB.


Thanks Bradshaw....that's ONE


Now it's two due to the retard. Nice throw right to the defender. you FUCK!

two T.O.'s in less then 5 minutes. We might as well hand this game over to the Eagles.

[Snoogans]

Now it's two due to the retard. Nice throw right to the defender. you FUCK!

two T.O.'s in less then 5 minutes. We might as well hand this game over to the Eagles.

dude im not tryin to pick a fight, but why do you hate eli so much? you act like he is fuckin Dave Brown. He is a top ten QB in the NFL and easily the best QB the giants had since simms, maybe ever when its all done. Why are you such a hater?

i dont say this to start a fight but its true, you really know NOTHING about football. You watch and you see and something never processes. You really have a great lack of understanding of how the game works

[Snoogans]

im goin to elaborate a bit for you Tom, so you understand im not tryin to be a douche, just explain something.
I am not gonna act like I know NFL or am some football expert because I played in HS, but when I played I was a safety, so I did learn a few things about defending the pass.

When a QB throws a ball that goes directly to a defender, 90% of the time thats not on the QB. Most QBs in the NFL (besides delhomme and cutler and favre) are good enough to not throw it RIGHT AT defenders on accident.

Most of the time when a ball goes to a waiting DB, its cause the WR either broke wrong or broke late and was late on the route timing. So he doesnt get there and the ball goes by right to a defender. the few passes manning has had picked that werent off hands ( we can argue manning didnt throw them great, and some of those he didnt, but when a ball hits BOTH hands, thats on the receiver to catch it no matter where the ball is)id say at least 3 or 4 that I can remember we mistakes by the receiver. A couple by nicks himself. the point is just cause Eli throws a pick doesnt mean its his fault, but you always assume

to address a comment you made in teh NFL thread, on the pick in question, eli didnt look to other receivers cause it was a hot read. On a hot read, the defense does something to trigger the hot read, and the QB auto throws it to that read no matter what, like manning did on that play. The receiver has to make a play and keep samuel out, that one was NOT AT ALL on eli. The nature of the read made that call. Thats why he doesnt always look at other reads, cause some plays trigger hot reads.

Thats one of those things i tried to tell you that you just dont understand about football, and thats what makes you wrong. Its not me thinking im right, im using football facts. Its not my opinions. I hope that helps and you realize im actually tryin to make points to you

[Snoogans]

also, on a hot read, the QB doesnt announce it, so the WR has to see the same thing and no to make the read. If the receiver doesnt make that read too, its gonna be an INT right to a defender. there is alot of reasons why those things happen, its not always on the QB. And, this season at least, most of those were not on eli

and thats coming from a guy who made a youtube video to teach Eli how to throw a ball. So trust me if he did ANYTHING worth rippin on him for, id be the first in line, and you know that. So maybe, take that to mean im tryin to make legit points

[Justice4all]

im goin to elaborate a bit for you Tom, so you understand im not tryin to be a douche, just explain something.
I am not gonna act like I know NFL or am some football expert because I played in HS, but when I played I was a safety, so I did learn a few things about defending the pass.

When a QB throws a ball that goes directly to a defender, 90% of the time thats not on the QB. Most QBs in the NFL (besides delhomme and cutler and favre) are good enough to not throw it RIGHT AT defenders on accident.

Most of the time when a ball goes to a waiting DB, its cause the WR either broke wrong or broke late and was late on the route timing. So he doesnt get there and the ball goes by right to a defender. the few passes manning has had picked that werent off hands ( we can argue manning didnt throw them great, and some of those he didnt, but when a ball hits BOTH hands, thats on the receiver to catch it no matter where the ball is)id say at least 3 or 4 that I can remember we mistakes by the receiver. A couple by nicks himself. the point is just cause Eli throws a pick doesnt mean its his fault, but you always assume

to address a comment you made in teh NFL thread, on the pick in question, eli didnt look to other receivers cause it was a hot read. On a hot read, the defense does something to trigger the hot read, and the QB auto throws it to that read no matter what, like manning did on that play. The receiver has to make a play and keep samuel out, that one was NOT AT ALL on eli. The nature of the read made that call. Thats why he doesnt always look at other reads, cause some plays trigger hot reads.

Thats one of those things i tried to tell you that you just dont understand about football, and thats what makes you wrong. Its not me thinking im right, im using football facts. Its not my opinions. I hope that helps and you realize im actually tryin to make points to you


ok when you put it like that is does make sense. I would agree that you did play so you have a better perspective. Like Spoon plays hockey so he knows about the game in ways I never could.

[Snoogans]

ok when you put it like that is does make sense. I would agree that you did play so you have a better perspective. Like Spoon plays hockey so he knows about the game in ways I never could.

thanks. thats all i was tryin to do the other day. Trust me bro, Eli is way better than he used to be. I am happy to have him at QB. And I used to HATE him. So believe me when I say its not that bad

[spoon]

ok when you put it like that is does make sense. I would agree that you did play so you have a better perspective. Like Spoon plays hockey so he knows about the game in ways I never could.

I played football too you dipshit, but playing doesn't make everyone better at analyzing the game. I give you exhibit A:

http://www.realtvcritics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/shannon-sharpe1.jpg

Exhibit B:

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__8/ept_sports_nfl_experts-212741868-1224736070.jpg?ymFZVrAD_DEitW6P

[Snoogans]

I played football too you dipshit, but playing doesn't make everyone better at analyzing the game. I give you exhibit A:

http://www.realtvcritics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/shannon-sharpe1.jpg

Exhibit B:

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__8/ept_sports_nfl_experts-212741868-1224736070.jpg?ymFZVrAD_DEitW6P

yea but exhibit B gets his trucks from shultz ford and ate himself out of a restaurant. he kicks ass

[Justice4all]

I played football too you dipshit, but playing doesn't make everyone better at analyzing the game. I give you exhibit A:

http://www.realtvcritics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/shannon-sharpe1.jpg

Exhibit B:

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__8/ept_sports_nfl_experts-212741868-1224736070.jpg?ymFZVrAD_DEitW6P

Holy shit that was funny!

And I know you played, which is why I listen to your opinion as well about football, also Crippler.

[spoon]

Holy shit that was funny!

And I know you played, which is why I listen to your opinion as well about football, also Crippler.

I never played Crippler. I like kids.

[Justice4all]

I never played Crippler. I like kids.

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[Earlshog]

Giants receiver Hakeem Nicks to miss three weeks with leg injury

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/11/giants_receiver_hakeem_nicks_l.html

[Gutter]

Giants receiver Hakeem Nicks to miss three weeks with leg injury

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/11/giants_receiver_hakeem_nicks_l.html

fuck me rotten.

[Justice4all]

Giants receiver Hakeem Nicks to miss three weeks with leg injury

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/11/giants_receiver_hakeem_nicks_l.html

Farewell playoffs

[RingWraith]

Giants receiver Hakeem Nicks to miss three weeks with leg injury

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/11/giants_receiver_hakeem_nicks_l.html

:wallbash:

[cougarjake13]

Farewell playoffs




but maybe hello bill cowher ??

[TripleSkeet]

Giants receiver Hakeem Nicks to miss three weeks with leg injury

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/11/giants_receiver_hakeem_nicks_l.html

:thumbup:

[cougarjake13]

:thumbup:

thats fucked up


i hope mike vick gets ass raped by a pack of pitbulls or at least the guy who tried to shoot him comes back and finishes the job

[TripleSkeet]

thats fucked up


i hope mike vick gets ass raped by a pack of pitbulls or at least the guy who tried to shoot him comes back and finishes the job

I shouldve quoted Justice4All as it wasnt the injury Im happy about, its more about the effect on the Giants playoff hopes.

[cougarjake13]

I shouldve quoted Justice4All as it wasnt the injury Im happy about, its more about the effect on the Giants playoff hopes.



i know just busting balls

hopefully it results in coughlin getting fired and cowher brought in

[TripleSkeet]

i know just busting balls

hopefully it results in coughlin getting fired and cowher brought in

I hope not. Ive been secretly rooting for the Cowboys hoping they end this season really well so Garrett gets the job full time. The last thing I want to see is Bill Cowher coaching an NFC East team thats not the Eagles.

[Earlshog]

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/11/giants_to_sign_wide_receiver_m.html


Giants sign wide receiver Michael Clayton

[Gutter]

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/11/giants_to_sign_wide_receiver_m.html


Giants sign wide receiver Michael Clayton

alright.....ahhhh, sure.

[cougarjake13]

I hope not. Ive been secretly rooting for the Cowboys hoping they end this season really well so Garrett gets the job full time. The last thing I want to see is Bill Cowher coaching an NFC East team thats not the Eagles.

well if jerome bettis is to be believed he said that cowher was all ready to take the giants job in 2008 with the way coughlin was coaching until he went on the improbable super bowl run and win

and now hes just waiting for it to open up again thats why he hasnt taken any other jobs


according to bettis

[cougarjake13]

alright.....ahhhh, sure.

is a body i guess




40 rushes for bradshaw and jacobs

[keithy_19]

I'm not giving up on the season yet. They're second in the division and will face the Eagles again.

Though, I will say that the Eagles looked really good. I don't like Vick because of his prior actions, but he's a really good QB.

[Earlshog]

Giants coach Tom Coughlin said Wednesday that RB Brandon Jacobs, not Ahmad Bradshaw, will start in Week 12 against the Jaguars. Bradshaw's fumbling issues were the reason for the change, according to Coughlin, who also said that Bradshaw will still get plenty of carries and third-string back D.J. Ware may get some, too.

[Philly Franko]

Giants have a Great Team...They will stop turning the ball over...and the real Season starts about Thanksgiving anyway...I Hope to go to Rd 2 of Eags/Giants in the new Stadium...I have been to the Old Meadowlands and NYGs Fans were Great to Tailgate with..I drove 120 miles by myself and got a scalper ticket for $80 on the 50 yd line lower level...Hope to bring some Cheesesteaks and Hoagies for the Tailgate party...Hope Eags play NYGs in the Playoffs....

[Philly Franko]

Have Tiki Barber come back and coach the running backs and Recievers on how to hold the ball high and tight to avoid Fumbles...Oh and I played Football too..............so I know...I got Strahan and Tikis autographs and Gibril Wilsons and others after a Giants game....

[cougarjake13]

I'm not giving up on the season yet. They're second in the division and will face the Eagles again.

Though, I will say that the Eagles looked really good. I don't like Vick because of his prior actions, but he's a really good QB.



heres my thing

as a fan if i dont think coughlin can right the ship and get us to the nfc championship or super bowl id rather have them lose, fire coughlin and go after cowher

[cougarjake13]

the thing is and bradshaw even pointed out himself is that his fumbles come from him going for the extra yardage .. and that reckless abandon he runs with is one of the reasons giants fans love him


so you dont want him to change but we need the fumbling to stop

[Justice4all]

Have Tiki Barber come back and coach the running backs and Recievers on how to hold the ball high and tight to avoid Fumbles...Oh and I played Football too..............so I know...I got Strahan and Tikis autographs and Gibril Wilsons and others after a Giants game....

If Tiki were smart, and judging by his words and actions these last few years, he's not....he would NEVER step foot inside that stadium without bodyguards...a majority of fans HATE him now.

[cougarjake13]

If Tiki were smart, and judging by his words and actions these last few years, he's not....he would NEVER step foot inside that stadium without bodyguards...a majority of fans HATE him now.

majority ??


id like to find any

[Justice4all]

majority ??


id like to find any

You obviously didn't hear the stadium when he was announced for the induction for the ring of fame for the Giants.

NOT ONE PERSON APPLAUDED!

[spoon]

You obviously didn't hear the stadium when he was announced for the induction for the ring of fame for the Giants.

NOT ONE PERSON APPLAUDED!

I applauded for him! So you're wrong AGAIN!

[Justice4all]

I applauded for him! So you're wrong AGAIN!

Liar! I never saw you applaud! Besides you are not a Giants fan. I was speaking about them.
And besides...

.a majority of fans HATE him now


Not every fan hates him, but the higher percentage is in that catagory.

so Majority fits.:tongue:

[spoon]

someone just looked up majority

[Justice4all]

someone just looked up majority

And someone didn't read the original quote. I never said every Giants fan hates him.

Go on...try to argue that....come on...I'm waiting.

[spoon]

And someone didn't read the original quote. I never said every Giants fan hates him.

Go on...try to argue that....come on...I'm waiting.

why would I? It has zilch to do with what i just joked about. Here, I'll spell out my simplistic yet missed joke. You argued loudly that the "higher percentage" of fans dislike Tiki, as if you had to spell out the definition of the word majority to anyone here. So I joked you looked it up.

Also, since you tempted me, you originally said, "not one person applauded". I believe that does constitute ever Giant fan in that case. You changed it to the majority later.

I just won an argument I wasn't even trying to make. Man you suck. Let's go to a higher source (no I don't mean that type of high).

http://www.heykobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/churchsign_loser1.jpg

:innocent:

[Justice4all]

why would I? It has zilch to do with what i just joked about. Here, I'll spell out my simplistic yet missed joke. You argued loudly that the "higher percentage" of fans dislike Tiki, as if you had to spell out the definition of the word majority to anyone here. So I joked you looked it up.

Also, since you tempted me, you originally said, "not one person applauded". I believe that does constitute ever Giant fan in that case. You changed it to the majority later.

I just won an argument I wasn't even trying to make. Man you suck. Let's go to a higher source (no I don't mean that type of high).

http://www.heykobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/churchsign_loser1.jpg

:innocent:

First off it always said majority.

Second...that was fucking hysterical! Well done!

[Justice4all]

MAN do our special teams suck!
We need to find a new punter.

[Justice4all]

Holy Shit!!! We pulled off the win!

[cougarjake13]

MAN do our special teams suck!
We need to find a new punter.

and we need hixon back



fucking every opponent starts around the 35 and were constantly in the 10 to 15 yd range

[Snoogans]

i came in here to see if tom gave any credit to Eli Manning. He did not. Despite the fact he was once again one of our best players, throwing to guys he barely throws to, and having a really good game.

GIVE HIM SOME CREDIT, PLEASE. You wanna kill him every time he does 1 bad thing, at least give him some respect the times he does good

[Justice4all]

i came in here to see if tom gave any credit to Eli Manning. He did not. Despite the fact he was once again one of our best players, throwing to guys he barely throws to, and having a really good game.

GIVE HIM SOME CREDIT, PLEASE. You wanna kill him every time he does 1 bad thing, at least give him some respect the times he does good


What is with you??? Just because I don't say anything doesn't mean I have to give him credit EVERY FUCKING TIME he does something right.

jeeze.

[Snoogans]

What is with you??? Just because I don't say anything doesn't mean I have to give him credit EVERY FUCKING TIME he does something right.

jeeze.

tom, ive never seen you give him credit for anything EVER. Period. You even badmouthed him for that miracle play in the SB, sayin he overthrew it and made tyree have to make that play, even though it was just a hail mary after he broke 4 fuckin tackles.

The point is you always kill him and NEVER respect him and he is good. He is the best QB we have had since Simms at least, and very well could end up the BEST QB YOUR TEAM HAS EVER HAD PERIOD. you complain about all the things he does and he didnt do any of them and you still dont say anything. It angers me. Cause im a giants fan, and so are you, so in public, you are a representative of OUR group, and you shame us all the time.

[Justice4all]

tom, ive never seen you give him credit for anything EVER. Period. You even badmouthed him for that miracle play in the SB, sayin he overthrew it and made tyree have to make that play, even though it was just a hail mary after he broke 4 fuckin tackles.

The point is you always kill him and NEVER respect him and he is good. He is the best QB we have had since Simms at least, and very well could end up the BEST QB YOUR TEAM HAS EVER HAD PERIOD. you complain about all the things he does and he didnt do any of them and you still dont say anything. It angers me. Cause im a giants fan, and so are you, so in public, you are a representative of OUR group, and you shame us all the time.

oh PLEASE....really??
You're starting to sound like me. Like 3+ years ago.
not good man...not good.

[Snoogans]

oh PLEASE....really??
You're starting to sound like me. Like 3+ years ago.
not good man...not good.

way to complete not get the ball busting and miss all the real points in the post in the process. forget it. forget I even tried

[cougarjake13]

first time i seen pics of accident


looks fucking bad



chad jones




http://media.nj.com/giants_impact/photo/8934951-large.jpg

[Justice4all]

first time i seen pics of accident


looks fucking bad



chad jones




http://media.nj.com/giants_impact/photo/8934951-large.jpg

When did this happen?

[spoon]

June 25, 2010 (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/06/giants-safety-chad-jones-in-go.html)

[Justice4all]

Well...8-4. I am pleasantly surprised.
I loved how the running game looked.
D looked good. Never let up. Which is exactly what they should have done.
Even our punter had some good kicks, which I liked to see.

I just hated seeing Reynaud taking punts again. He needs to go. Don't we have ANYONE better?

[cougarjake13]

Well...8-4. I am pleasantly surprised.
I loved how the running game looked.
D looked good. Never let up. Which is exactly what they should have done.
Even our punter had some good kicks, which I liked to see.

I just hated seeing Reynaud taking punts again. He needs to go. Don't we have ANYONE better?

nope

hixon got hurt early in yr
blackmon who replaced reynaud got hurt


dj ware looked good as kick returner thou

[Justice4all]

dj ware looked good as kick returner thou

better then Reynaud as it looked to me.

[Justice4all]

Boss saved Eli with that great catch.
Once again the running game ran through EVERYONE.
It was an important win we needed and got. Especially with the travel they had to do.

Now onto the most important game of the year (so far) with the Eeekals.