Norton is in the Tank for Leno [Archive]

conman823

01-19-2010, 07:17 PM

Norton has always been like that. If it affects his wallet then he will argue non-sensically for hours about it.

Hypocracy runs rampant in that studio in case you haven't noticed.

Also the flip side is, if it was someone who Norton didn't like acting like that he would be pointing it out and ripping on the guy.

burrben

01-19-2010, 07:20 PM

he stinks and i dont like him

Dan 'Hampton

01-19-2010, 07:24 PM

Of course it's his boss. If he was candid he'd probably say differently. What would you expect him to say.

Death Metal Moe

01-19-2010, 07:28 PM

I think overall it was NBC that did this, but neither Jay nor Conan are innocent in all this.

I think Jay wanting to squeeze back in on the schedule, pushing The Tonight Show back after midnight was pretty selfish of him. If they REALLY wanted to keep Jay they would have found something for him to do. Jay didn't seem to him compromising the Tonight Show's timeslot, I think he looks worse in this.

I personally don't really like his humor either, very generic. But you need to expect that to appeal to the masses. I'm sure Conan has dumbed down his jokes too.

Overall, this doesn't effect me in the least.

But I do agree, Jim screaming about this was boring on air today, but he'll make it up to us I'm sure, I like Jimmy.

The Nature Boy

01-19-2010, 07:29 PM

Of course it's his boss. If he was candid he'd probably say differently. What would you expect him to say.

He doesn't have to say anything. He spent two hours today alternating sides of his mouth to talk out of while "defending" Jay.

There are no white knights in this incident, but its embarassing for Norton. But I guess you guys are right, he has always tended to be a hypocrite.

And he's a total hack comic if you ask me, totally fucking overrated.

ETA: He's a great radio personality though, I enjoy his chime in on the topics, but as a standup, I think he sucks.

paulisded

01-19-2010, 07:41 PM

I didn't mind so much Norton's initial defense, along with the airing of clips from both Leno and Conan. An additional hour spent dissecting stupid Rosie O'Donnell's five-minute interview was too much for me, though.

Dan 'Hampton

01-19-2010, 07:52 PM

I haven't made it that far today. They're still rehashing sams trip to ac.

Melk

01-19-2010, 08:00 PM

ETA: He's a great radio personality though, I enjoy his chime in on the topics, but as a standup, I think he sucks.
I agree that his standup is not great. Norton has an odd disconnect between himself and his stage persona. Call it: Bad acting.

He is really good on Opie and Anthony.

I heard his ex-girlfriend on Marc Marron's WTF yesterday. She recites some of the same opinions he does. Which brings me to the question: Who manipulated the opinion of whom?

The Nature Boy

01-19-2010, 08:15 PM

I agree that his standup is not great. Norton has an odd disconnect between himself and his stage persona. Call it: Bad acting.

He is really good on Opie and Anthony.

I heard his ex-girlfriend on Marc Marron's WTF yesterday. She recites some of the same opinions he does. Which brings me to the question: Who manipulated the opinion of whom?

Who is his ex?

TooLowBrow

01-19-2010, 09:32 PM

Death Metal Moe

01-19-2010, 10:10 PM

underdog

01-20-2010, 05:09 AM

It made me laugh when Norton screamed about no one being able to look at the situation objectively, like he's ever been able to look at anything objectively.

TjM

01-20-2010, 05:18 AM

Who is his ex?

I'm guessing Chelsea Peretti

Melk

01-20-2010, 05:45 AM

I'm guessing Chelsea Peretti
That is correct.

Apparently, she and Marc are shooting a pilot for a Comedy Central series, so he had her on the show. And that is when she started talking about Norton, her really loving Joan Rivers and such. It wasn't that she had similar opinions to Norton that interested me, it was the way she expressed those opinions and the way they matched his word-for-word that I found interesting.

Granted, she speaks in a much more laid back style than Norton, but...

realmenhatelife

01-20-2010, 06:16 AM

Jimmy is visciously loyal in some respects. I cant fault him for jumping in with Leno, and it isn't hard to imagine how it would mean a lot to Jimmy both professionally and personally to be recognized by Leno. I get it way more than Ozzy. I dont particularly want to listen to it, but beating dead horses has been a part of this show for as long as I've listened to it.

Chigworthy

01-20-2010, 06:44 AM

It wasn't that she had similar opinions to Norton that interested me, it was the way she expressed those opinions and the way they matched his word-for-word that I found interesting.

Sounds like all of the pests.

Mitch&Murray

01-20-2010, 06:45 AM

Water is wet.

TripleSkeet

01-20-2010, 08:38 AM

I dont blame Leno at all.

He shouldve been host of the Tonight Show as long as he wanted to as long as it remained number 1. I dont care if he hosted it another 20 years. Only a corporate idiot would take the highest rated show in its time slot....and change it. Stupid.

CountryBob

01-20-2010, 09:19 AM

TripleSkeet

01-20-2010, 09:30 AM

Standing back as a 3rd party I still dont see how Jay Leno has done anything wrong. So I therefore dont understand why there would be a problem with Jimmy defending him, even if he didnt work for him.

The Nature Boy

01-20-2010, 09:31 AM

What the hell is wrong with Kimmy taking up for Leno? Your hatred of Jimmy should not cloud the issue - he is defending his employer. I would do the same thing if I felt the same as Jimmy and also wanted to stay in good graces with Jay. Anyway, I prefer Conan over Leno.

I don't object to him in particular or the show in general defending Jay. I can see where there would be a grey area to how this is handled, but personally, every step of the way, Jay's decisions have led to this. Either he

1. says in 2004 he's not leaving, and the network can choose
2. if they choose Conan, then Jay takes a huge money deal and competes then
3. in 2009/10, he could have/should have declined the 10pm show
4. he could have asked for his release rather than take Conan's gig.

I hear what you're saying by taking what you're offered, but his wishy washy indecisiveness seems to have generated a lot of these issues. Of course, NBC is the chief offender, but Jay deserves some blame for enabling their bad management.

And I get Jimmy defending him, take a half hour, take an hour, but that show yesterday basically became a 3 hour Jay infomercial. Jimmy is a bright guy, so I don't think he's willfully ignorant, but his defenses of Jay only serve to make Jimmy look like a kiss ass clown and serves to hurt his credibility as a radio person and an artist. I would have moved to cap that segment rather than willfully erode your reputation as a "straight talker who says the un PC thing".

Full disclosure, I don't spend much time listening to OandA and based on the reactions in this thread, maybe that isn't the perception of Jimmy at large.

Freitag

01-20-2010, 09:54 AM

Serpico1103

01-20-2010, 10:11 AM

Letterman said it best last night:

If you knew you were losing your show in 2004, and you still want to work, you develop a deal with Fox, ABC, whoever - you don't hang around in the lobby.

Jay DID do something wrong - he got lousy ratings at 10.

He may not have been allowed to talk to the other networks. NBC is the only one at fault. Other than maybe Conan's shitty agent for not writing a better contract that would ensure the 11:30 time slot.
Jay and Conan both have enough money to do what they want. Neither is working for the money.
I know the Tonight Show is an institution, but there is something to be said for having your own show; The David Letterman Show, The Conan O'Brien Show. Being another host of the tonight has lost its cache. Everyone after Carson is just a Carson replacement.

I think people like blaming individuals because corporations are usually faceless. The way people love blaming Bonds or Mcgwire for baseball's steroid problem and not MLB which was either willfilly blind or completely incompetent.

opie's twisted balls

01-20-2010, 10:18 AM

NBC is the only one at fault. Other than maybe Conan's shitty agent for not writing a better contract that would ensure the 11:30 time slot.
It still scares me when I agree with your opinions. NBC tried to pull off something on the cheap and it failed miserably.

Jay and Conan both have enough money to do what they want. Neither is working for the money.
And then all is right in the world when I disagree with you. Money is absolutely still a motivating factor and only takes second place to their ego's being stroked.

As for Jimmy.....I can understand him being publicly loyal to Leno but if the Tonight Show returns to the pre-Conan format (Jay is the host, same writers, etc.) I can't see him having an on-air presence.

Serpico1103

01-20-2010, 10:23 AM

And then all is right in the world when I disagree with you. Money is absolutely still a motivating factor and only takes second place to their ego's being stroked.

You misunderstood, maybe I wasn't clear. I am not saying that neither wants more money. I was only saying that both have enough money to live beyond comfortably.
It was more in response to the clip they played of Rosie saying that Jay has enough money and he should retire. As if, Conan is a struggling young comic: $10 million a year for Late Night.
I know money is a factor, but more of an ego trip, than a survival requirement.

ShowerBench

01-20-2010, 11:45 AM

What would you expect him to say.

Nothing different, any more than I'd expect Leno to do anything but what he wants to do and what is good for his bank account/car collection.

If Conan didn't make himself Leno-proof through his contract or by bringing the ratings, sucks for him.

Team Leno.

Melk

01-20-2010, 01:00 PM

Sounds like all of the pests.
Many fans claimed that Norton had become more liberal and annoying during the year he was dating her, so perhaps Norton is the pest.

K.C.

01-20-2010, 01:36 PM

Letterman said it best last night:

If you knew you were losing your show in 2004, and you still want to work, you develop a deal with Fox, ABC, whoever - you don't hang around in the lobby.

Jay DID do something wrong - he got lousy ratings at 10.

The problem with that logic is that NBC is the one that's clinging to Leno.

They could just fire him, but they fear that as soon as they do that, he'll go to ABC or FOX.

At the end of the day, NBC sees Leno as a better option than Conan...how is that Leno's fault, or how is that Leno sandbagging Conan?

And apparently Dave's wrong about the logistics. Leno said he asked to be released from his contract after they gave the show to Conan, and the network said no, and that's where the 10PM show idea came from.

It all boils down to one inevitable truth:
NBC is deathly afraid of Leno competing against them on another network.

P.S: I despise Jay Leno, and am a much bigger fan of Conan, personally, but that really has nothing to do with anything about the situation.

Dell

01-20-2010, 01:41 PM

I cannot fault Leno, but I don't like how he handled the whole thing...there is a way to handle success and failure with "class"...I don't see it here (or in his going to 10)...I'd have more respect had he went to another network...

I like Leno and I like Conan...I think Conan is getting a bad deal and I like Leno a little less...

Serpico1103

01-20-2010, 01:46 PM

I wish they both would get away from NBC. Have some principles. That is one of the greatest things money can buy you; the freedom to act based on principle and not need.
NBC fucked them both, they should do everything they can to separate from NBC and try to hurt NBC either by directly competing or doing something else off network TV.

opie's twisted balls

01-20-2010, 01:47 PM

It was more in response to the clip they played of Rosie saying that Jay has enough money and he should retire.
I didn't see the cow's clip so can't comment.

P.S: I despise Jay Leno, and am a much bigger fan of Conan, personally, but that really has nothing to do with anything about the situation.
I honestly don't know what either NBC or viewers find appealing in Leno. IMO he's not remotely funny with either his monologue or bits and I find his interviewing skills extremely shite. To rank the late night biggies would be from top to bottom:
-Letterman
-Ferguson
-O'Brian
-Fallon
-Kimmel
-Leno

Brad_Rush

01-20-2010, 01:50 PM

put Chelsea Peretti in google and look what you get on image search... ugh!

lleeder

01-20-2010, 01:52 PM

I didn't see the cow's clip so can't comment.

I honestly don't know what either NBC or viewers find appealing in Leno. IMO he's not remotely funny with either his monologue or bits and I find his interviewing skills extremely shite. To rank the late night biggies would be from top to bottom:
-Letterman
-Ferguson
-O'Brian
-Fallon
-Kimmel
-Leno

what about Lopez?

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opie's twisted balls

01-20-2010, 01:53 PM

put Chelsea Peretti in google and look what you get on image search... ugh!
christ on a pony, what in the hell is that??? :blink:

what about Lopez?
http://wastingtimewithmikeandari.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/jennifer_lopez_south_park.jpg

Serpico1103

01-20-2010, 01:54 PM

I honestly don't know what either NBC or viewers find appealing in Leno. IMO he's not remotely funny with either his monologue or bits and I find his interviewing skills extremely shite. To rank the late night biggies would be from top to bottom:
-Letterman
-Ferguson
-O'Brian
-Fallon
-Kimmel
-Leno

Leno is probably funnier than his show, but he has to appeal to 60, 70, 80 year olds. So, his act will cater to them.
I think the daily show and colbert didn't hurt leno, because younger people wouldn't watch Leno anyway, but I do think that daily show and colbert hurt Conan as they have a similar audience.

Brad_Rush

01-20-2010, 01:59 PM

christ on a pony, what in the hell is that??? :blink:

http://wastingtimewithmikeandari.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/jennifer_lopez_south_park.jpg

I have no idea, but Jim has much weirder tastes than I thought he did...

opie's twisted balls

01-20-2010, 02:01 PM

I have no idea, but Jim has much weirder tastes than I thought he did...
I missed the show today....Jim likes those legs/hooves/growths/whoknowswhatthefuckitis?

Brad_Rush

01-20-2010, 02:01 PM

I missed the show today....Jim likes those legs/hooves/growths/whoknowswhatthefuckitis?

I guess so...

TripleSkeet

01-20-2010, 06:54 PM

I didn't see the cow's clip so can't comment.

I honestly don't know what either NBC or viewers find appealing in Leno. IMO he's not remotely funny with either his monologue or bits and I find his interviewing skills extremely shite. To rank the late night biggies would be from top to bottom:
-Letterman
-Ferguson
-O'Brian
-Fallon
-Kimmel
-Leno

Ive never been a big "Late night talk show" guy so I really havent watched much of those shows. Id say the ones Ive seen the most have been Leno and Letterman and Ive always found Jay to be ALOT more funny then Dave. Most of the time Dave fails to even get a giggle out of me. Ive never understood his success.

Gunner S

01-20-2010, 11:31 PM

wtfs you guyz totaly suck jimmy is the best standup comic ever!!!!1!

Ask any Standup Comedian, Standup is more important to them then any relationship that they have. Jimmy's always going to go what is better for his standup career, and Jay provides more of a outlet. It's like a orgy of publicity for Jimbo.

GreatShatnersGhost

01-20-2010, 11:55 PM

what the hell do you guys expect? He gets a paycheck from them. What is he supposed to do? "I hate the show, I'm siding with Conan." Jay might even take Jimmy over to the Tonight Show when all is said and done.

NewYorkDragons80

01-21-2010, 02:01 AM

What the hell is wrong with Kimmy taking up for Leno?

http://www.nationallampoon.com/files/2009/05/8-kimmy-gibbler.jpg

Furtherman

01-21-2010, 01:00 PM

Listening to Jimmy right now defending Jay... it only makes me think, that if Jimmy was home listening to Jimmy on the radio, he would say this:

ALRIGHT, WE GET IT! SHUT UP!

Dell

01-21-2010, 01:03 PM

Listening to Jimmy right now defending Jay... it only makes me think, that if Jimmy was home listening to Jimmy on the radio, he would say this:

ALRIGHT, WE GET IT! SHUT UP!

I agree...Jimmy loves to argue "from a position of superiority"...if he were listening to himself during those rants he would hate it...