N.J. Senate rejects bill legalizing gay marriage

[Lady Resin]

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/01/nj_senate_rejects_bill_legaliz.html

[Meataball23]

Somewhere vito spatafore is very sad

[midwestjeff]

Weird.

I thought you had to be gay to live in NJ.

[Hottub]

If McGreevy were still in office, they'd be sippin' d's on Main St. as we speak.:smile:

[Suspect Chin]

Somewhere vito spatafore is very sad

He has a pool cue in his ass wherever he is.

[pennington]

Straight people are trying to get out of marriages and gays want to get into them. Let them have their marriages if they want but the only people who are going to benefit are lawyers. Put it on the ballot with the provision that no matter who wins it can't be voted on again for 10 years.

[Tall_James]

Must be the Radon. Get the fuck out of New Jersey and move to Vermont. Free homosexual marriages and all the Ben & Jerry's you can eat.

[Death Metal Moe]

I almost got in a fight with my parents discussing this. They're surprisingly unsympathetic to the plight of homosexuals. I guess all that religious brainwashing is working.

I fucking HATE people who mind other people's business. Just let them marry, I don't care what the religious asswipes say, it's not a religious ceremony. It's a business arrangement. Don't let them "marry" in your church if you don't like it, but let them marry in the eyes of the law, the law shouldn't be effected by anyone's religion.

[Tall_James]

I almost got in a fight with my parents discussing this. They're surprisingly unsympathetic to the plight of homosexuals. I guess all that religious brainwashing is working.

I fucking HATE people who mind other people's business. Just let them marry, I don't care what the religious asswipes say, it's not a religious ceremony. It's a business arrangement. Don't let them "marry" in your church if you don't like it, but let them marry in the eyes of the law, the law shouldn't be effected by anyone's religion.

Very well said Moe.

[Death Metal Moe]

Funny thing about my parents is, they got an official ceremony by the mayor because my mother's church wouldn't marry them since my father is Muslim. Yea, your fucking religions really did a lot for you, keep standing by them.

Ridiculous. If they found some happiness, let them enjoy it. It's all fleeting, even life itself.

[midwestjeff]

my father is Muslim.

I had no idea.

I'm so sorry.

[keithy_19]

Funny thing about my parents is, they got an official ceremony by the mayor because my mother's church wouldn't marry them since my father is Muslim. Yea, your fucking religions really did a lot for you, keep standing by them.

Ridiculous. If they found some happiness, let them enjoy it. It's all fleeting, even life itself.

I'm suddenly depressed.

[Death Metal Moe]

I'm suddenly depressed.

Oh you were fucking depressed before you came in here. :devil2:

[Death Metal Moe]

I had no idea.

I'm so sorry.

Eat me. :bye:

[epo]

If McGreevy were still in office, they'd be sippin' d's on Main St. as we speak.:smile:

Don't lie, you'd be watching.

[keithy_19]

Oh you were fucking depressed before you came in here. :devil2:

Sadly true.

[JPMNICK]

Preface: I am 100% for gay marriage

BUT

this was the right thing to do because the people of NJ in an election voted against gay marriage. this was then proposed, and then senators (who represent the people) once again upheld what the people of the state wanted.


perfect world scenario i know, and it never really works like this. but this is the reason the senate was put in place, to make sure no one person could make a decision the whole state did not want.

edit: i might be talking out of my ass here, maybe NJ did not put it to a vote and it was NY? i don't remember exactly now. but the november election i thought NJ voted it down.

[Penelope]

Gay marriage and medical marijuana are going to eventually be in all the states. Deal with it. If you don't like it move to some ass backwards middle eastern country.

[Death Metal Moe]

Gay marriage and medical marijuana are going to eventually be in all the states. Deal with it. If you don't like it move to some ass backwards middle eastern country.

I hope you're right, but I think you greatly underestimate people's ignorance, prejudice and the brainwashing religion put on them.

[Dude!]

this news rehabilitates NJ's image
after the damage done by Jersey Shore

[A.J.]

I guess this is Fez's Ichiban today.

[Willmore]

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3469/jerseyshoremtvcasts500x.jpg

What's gay marriage?

[Jujubees2]

Preface: I am 100% for gay marriage

BUT

this was the right thing to do because the people of NJ in an election voted against gay marriage. this was then proposed, and then senators (who represent the people) once again upheld what the people of the state wanted.


perfect world scenario i know, and it never really works like this. but this is the reason the senate was put in place, to make sure no one person could make a decision the whole state did not want.

edit: i might be talking out of my ass here, maybe NJ did not put it to a vote and it was NY? i don't remember exactly now. but the november election i thought NJ voted it down.

I don't believe that NJ had a vote but with the California vote even though the voters said no some group is bringing it to the courts saying that you can't vote on something that goes against a person's rights (e.g. voting to not allow a certain group to do something). Of course, it still remains to be seen if gay marriage is considered a "right". For the record, I do consider it a right.

[TjM]

Funny thing about my parents is, they got an official ceremony by the mayor because my mother's church wouldn't marry them since my father is Muslim. Yea, your fucking religions really did a lot for you, keep standing by them.

Ridiculous. If they found some happiness, let them enjoy it. It's all fleeting, even life itself.

All religions are united on one thing "Fags are not people"

[DarkHippie]

I wrote an editorial on this for The Examiner

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-26939-NY-Roots-Rock-Examiner~y2010m1d11-Opinion-Eminem-and-Elton-1-NJ-State-Senate-0

[Dude!]

I wrote an editorial on this for The Examiner

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-26939-NY-Roots-Rock-Examiner~y2010m1d11-Opinion-Eminem-and-Elton-1-NJ-State-Senate-0

fag

[DarkHippie]

fag

totally

[Contra]

the law shouldn't be effected by anyone's religion.

Although I completely agree with this, our entire legal system is rooted in religious beliefs.

Its funny, our government has checks and balances for the three branches, but none for religion, which runs rampant through all of them.

[EliSnow]

Its funny, our government has checks and balances for the three branches, but none for religion, which runs rampant through all of them.

You mean that certain religious values are part of the laws, etc. essentially the goverrnments involved have adopted the same goals, etc. of certain religions.

No religion is running rampant through the government. No religious organization can pass state or federal laws, enforce such laws, or adjudicate when such laws have been broken on behalf of the goverment. If they did, abortion wouldn't be legal, you'd have prayer in schools and a host of other things.

And to say there is no checks or balances patently ignores the First Amendment which forbids Congress respecting an establishment of religion. As stated more informally, this portion is designed to separate church and state.

Given the various uproars from the religious right, it's clear that while not perfect this separation has occurred more often than not. Religious intrusion on the goverment is checked often.

[SatCam]

Gay marriage and medical marijuana are going to eventually be in all the states. Deal with it. If you don't like it move to some ass backwards middle eastern country.

Tennessee?

[Contra]

You mean that certain religious values are part of the laws, etc. essentially the goverrnments involved have adopted the same goals, etc. of certain religions.
I'd replace certain with many but yes.

No religion is running rampant through the government. No religious organization can pass state or federal laws, enforce such laws, or adjudicate when such laws have been broken on behalf of the goverment. If they did, abortion wouldn't be legal, you'd have prayer in schools and a host of other things.
Wasn't abortion illegal at one point? Didn't we used to have prayer in school? Can't that all be reversed? I think that has to do more with what majority sits on the supreme court

And to say there is no checks or balances patently ignores the First Amendment which forbids Congress respecting an establishment of religion. As stated more informally, this portion is designed to separate church and state.
Oh sure, its not preachers and ministers voting on these laws and saying its for god. Its just god fearing, highly relious senators and representatives saying its "for the people".

Given the various uproars from the religious right, it's clear that while not perfect this separation has occurred more often than not.
This goes with what I said above. Those protestors are there to say "hey remeber us? Better vote for god, or we'll bury you". Now I'm not saying it works all the time, just enough where we don't see it as a problem.

[EliSnow]

Wasn't abortion illegal at one point? Didn't we used to have prayer in school? Can't that all be reversed? I think that has to do more with what majority sits on the supreme court

But that means that it's not religion controlling the government, but people's beliefs, which may be religious or not. It doesn't mean that the religion itself controls the government.

In the end, a government will always be affected to by the beliefs of the people in it. To say that, religion controls the government is a different thing.


Oh sure, its not preachers and ministers voting on these laws and saying its for god. Its just god fearing, highly relious senators and representatives saying its "for the people".

See above. That will always be the case. The only way around would be to forbid religious people from running for goverment, but that would be a violation of the First Amendment as well.


This goes with what I said above. Those protestors are there to say "hey remeber us? Better vote for god, or we'll bury you". Now I'm not saying it works all the time, just enough where we don't see it as a problem.

Which means that religion is checked within the government.