Who Gets Fired First?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Matty's two favorite coaches in the whole wide world:

Charlie Weis

Rich Rod

PLACE YOUR BETS!

[disneyspy]

i say rod cuz chuck is a ND guy and had a good year once

and i dont want weis to go cuz ND is the only team michigan can beat

[STC-Dub]

Rodriguez

[Matty Fridays]

Rodriguez

I doubt it, and here's why - Charlie's had more time to recruit and build up his program.

[Mitch&Murray]

Down goes Fatty

[SP1!]

I doubt it, and here's why - Charlie's had more time to recruit and build up his program.

Bingo, weiss has had more time and I think hes gone this year, richie will be given a pass for one or two more years.

[disneyspy]

what i cant figure out is why anybody would want to go to nebraska,i mean its...nebraska

[Spagett]

They are both gone at the end of the year.

Jim Harbough just shit on my Trojans with his Stanford Cardinal. Rumors are Michigan alums want him and he wants to coach a bigger school.

Unless ND gives Urban Meyer what he wants it will probably be Cincinnati's coach Brian Kelly.

[JimBeam]

I think Weis would go first.

As much as I think Rodriguez is overrated ( not that Weis isn't ) I don't think he's been there long enough to be considered a failure.

I don't want ND to fire Weis just to go after a guy like Kelly.

Just because he's done good things w/ Cincinnati doesn't automatically mean he's the guy to run a major national program.

Winning in the Big East is not like winning as the top independent.

In that scenario I'd rather they stay w/ Weis 1 more year.

Meyer would obvioulsy be a huge get but I doubt that's happening ( although if UF wins another title this year I think that would be when he'd consider jumping ship ).

I'd like to see what Gruden could do. I was actually for him before the Weis hiring.

Would Shanahan be an option ?

I think he's probably more focused on going back to the NFL though.

[JimBeam]

Jim Harbough just shit on my Trojans with his Stanford Cardinal. Rumors are Michigan alums want him and he wants to coach a bigger school.

Looks like he's staying put :

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4658255

[Tallman388]

Rodriguez goes first. Weis has at least been to bowl games even if he didn't recruit the players. He had a good recruiting class last year and that may be what gets him one more year. Rodriguez took over a team that had a winning record and screwed that , the only problem was that Lloyd Carr had been outworked by Jim Tressel. Carr got the bum's rush and had a very good overall record.
Even if they both get fired at the end of this season, it will still take longer for ND to deliberate on it since Weis is alumni.

[El Mudo]

Weis. He has no more excuses. He can't blame it on the players he has (Willingham's guys are all gone), and there's no excuse for him to lose twice to Navy in three years.

As far as RRod goes, two years is wayyyy to short to evaluate the progress of a football program. They had a ton of transfers when Rodriguez came in, and its going to take time to get the type of personnel there to run his offense.

13 prominent players have left/been thrown out since he started, including guys like Ryan Mallett. (http://blog.mlive.com/thediag/2009/07/analyzing_michigans_transfers.html)


Hell...Ty Willingham got 4 YEARS at U Dub, and he won 11 games total.

[JimBeam]

Hell...Ty Willingham got 4 YEARS at U Dub, and he won 11 games total.

And I'm still waiting for a valid reason for why they fired him.

I mean they can say what they want but it had to be because he was black no ?

[JimBeam]

As far as Weis goes I'm not sure if it's better to keep him if Clausen & Tate leave or keep him if they stay.

If they can score a good coach for next year ( as I've stated I'm no fan of Kelly and I'm not sure if Gruden can/would back out of his MNF deal ) I say dump him now but if they can hold out for a better choice for 2011, maybe Meyer, then maybe keep him 1 more year and see how it goes.

Mich has got to give Rodriguez at least 2 more years to see if he can bring his guys in and implement and run his system in a bigger conference.

[KnoxHarrington]

It's hard to imagine that Rodriguez would be fired after only 2 seasons, but his whole tenure there has just seemed to be so ugly and controversial that they may be tired of him yet.

It will be interesting to see what happens if Ohio State really hands Michigan an asswhipping today, which they might.

[Snoogans]

its gonna be Weis, esp after ND loses to UConn today

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I cant believe ND fell for the disciples of Bellichick scam


all that $$ lost....

[JimBeam]

its gonna be Weis, esp after ND loses to UConn today

You weren't exactly going out on a limb but kudos to you on the prediction.

I'm not gonna lie and say I wasn't rooting for them to lose in OT.

I want this Weis thing to end w/ an exclamation point.

But I'll tell you these 2 coaches are doing their best to keep this debate going.

Another thing about Weis is you know he's gonna go back to the NFL either as an assistant or a head coach and he may have some success but he'll never escape his failure at ND.

He'd be better off by not taking or taking less from the buyout and try and walk away with some shame.

At least leave some of the buyout money to pay for next years recruits.

I did feel bad for the son when they were saying he get's crap at school all the time.

But I'm sure he played himself as Mr Cool Guy when his dad was winning so I guess it's cyclical.

[cougarjake13]

i dont think rod has been there long enough so theyll give him more time


tuna wannabe jr is gone

[Ritalin]

As far as Weis goes I'm not sure if it's better to keep him if Clausen & Tate leave or keep him if they stay.

If they can score a good coach for next year ( as I've stated I'm no fan of Kelly and I'm not sure if Gruden can/would back out of his MNF deal ) I say dump him now but if they can hold out for a better choice for 2011, maybe Meyer, then maybe keep him 1 more year and see how it goes.

Mich has got to give Rodriguez at least 2 more years to see if he can bring his guys in and implement and run his system in a bigger conference.

They're not going to get Meyer. The story goes that Meyer was going to take that job before he took the Florida job, but the ND administration wouldn't allow him to have a couple of admissions exceptions to get some players that wouldn't otherwise be admitted to the school.

Those are the same exceptions Lou Holtz had when he won a championship, and after he left the school decided to reel it in. I hate ND, but I have to respect that they have academic integrity.

So Meyer isn't going to leave Florida to go to a school where he can't get players that can compete with Navy. No offense to Navy, but you know.

[JimBeam]

I agree the academic issue is something that could make him pause the ego boost to him by reviving what many consider the most storied program in the country would outweigh that.

They throw up another building opposite TD Jesus w/ his pic on it if he got them back to being a championship team.

If he wins again at UF he's done all he can do there and it only puts him on par w/ a guy like Tom Osborne ( 3 titles in 4 years ).

So Meyer isn't going to leave Florida to go to a school where he can't get players that can compete with Navy. No offense to Navy, but you know.

It's not like ND can't and doesn't get good players.

Sure they're not gonna get every top recruit but they will get a lot of them.

Weis himself has brought in good talent but he doesn't seem to get it on the defensive side.

[Ritalin]

I agree the academic issue is something that could make him pause the ego boost to him by reviving what many consider the most storied program in the country would outweigh that.

They throw up another building opposite TD Jesus w/ his pic on it if he got them back to being a championship team.

If he wins again at UF he's done all he can do there and it only puts him on par w/ a guy like Tom Osborne ( 3 titles in 4 years ).



It's not like ND can't and doesn't get good players.

Sure they're not gonna get every top recruit but they will get a lot of them.

Weis himself has brought in good talent but he doesn't seem to get it on the defensive side.

No, they don't have high caliber top flight players, that's just not true. They're weak on both sides of the line and have a terrible defensive backfield.

I think people automatically assume because they play at ND that they're good players. These "good players" got beat by Pitt, UConn and Navy. It can't all be the coaching.

[JimBeam]

No, they don't have high caliber top flight players, that's just not true. They're weak on both sides of the line and have a terrible defensive backfield.

I think people automatically assume because they play at ND that they're good players. These "good players" got beat by Pitt, UConn and Navy. It can't all be the coaching.

So Jimmy Clausen and Golden Tate aren't top flight players ?

By your definition the teams w/ the best players would never lose.

So are you saying that Cincinnati and Boise St have better players than USC and Oh St because they have less losses ?

The way you can tell whether or not their getting top tier talent is based on what other schools they pass on to go to ND.

If USC is recruiting a guy and he goes to ND he's probably projected to have talent or USC wouldn't be wasting their time w/ him.

Now there are obvious inconsistencies in the recruiting of a prospect and how good that prospect actually turns out to be.

There's also no doubt that ND's skill players aren't as good as they need to be, at least consistently enough, and that's why they are losing games to what you would think are vastly inferior teams.