Back to the..wait a minute!

[sr71blackbird]

The 1985 doc had the knowledge of the terrorist shooting him, so he got himself a bullet proof vest to save himself. But instead of making sure there was extra plutonium in the time machine, he made Marty and his 50's counterpart jump through all these totally unnessary hoops with the clocktower and lightning bolt. Why?

[IMSlacker]

Maybe he didn't have any extra plutonium laying around.

[Misteriosa]

Maybe he didn't have any extra plutonium laying around.

maybe he made a deal with the terrorists for the initial amt of plutonium and didnt pay up, which is why they were after him.

[Judge Smails]

Maybe it would have been a very short and uninteresting movie otherwise.

[Hottub]

Maybe it would have been a very short and uninteresting movie otherwise.

This

[keithy_19]

You don't jsut have plutonium laying around. And he didn't want to mess with the whole space time contium thing.

[Foster]

the trunk was actually full of Plutonium,

no one ever checked

[keithy_19]

the trunk was actually full of Plutonium,

no one ever checked

:lol:

[sr71blackbird]

If you recall from the movie, Doc had acquired a box of the plutonium from the terrorists. He obviously had the foresight to wear the bullet proof vest because he knew from viewing the video tape in the 1950's that he was going to be shot in 1983.
So, he wore the vest and it saved his own life.
So, Doc thinks of himself.
He doesn't seem to think of Marty is my point.
In fact, the more you think about it, the more it seems Marty was being used in a very manipulative way by the Doc to do his bidding, and really just so the Doc could get laid in the 1800's.

[high fly]

They had plenty of plutonium, but he forgot to check for purity until it was too late and then he found out he'd been sold some shit stepped on with so much Mannitol it only bumped them a little ways each time they tried to come back...

[ScottFromGA]

he looked on the bottom of the plutonium and seen it was past the expiration date.

[IamFogHat]

It would have been a really short movie otherwise.

[sr71blackbird]

All Doc had to do was put some extra plutonium in the car and Marty could have gotten back without a problem. Doc had to know what was going to happen, as evidenced by his wearing the bullet proof vest
His actions are therefore suspect.
Why make Marty and his own 1950's counterpart jump through so many hoops? I understand that it would have been very boring otherwise...Im just sayin....

[ScottFromGA]

All Doc had to do was put some extra plutonium in the car and Marty could have gotten back without a problem. Doc had to know what was going to happen, His actions are therefore suspect. Why make Marty and his own 1950's counterpart jump through so many hoops? I understand that it would have been very boring otherwise...Im just sayin....

its....just....a.....movie.

[sr71blackbird]

Maybe Doc was the villain in this movie!!

[high fly]

It was cuz he had that shit plutonium made in China instead of the real stuff made in America. Served-em right............

[sr71blackbird]

its....just....a.....movie.

I know, its a discussion. Many people have had serious consequential discussions about this subject and movie. :king:

[ScottFromGA]

I know, its a discussion. Many people have had serious consequential discussions about this subject and movie. :king:

LOL!

ok i have another question...where in the hell did Doc get all the technology to build a train time machine?

[ScottFromGA]

Doc knew exactly how many times you have to travel back and forth in time till it gives you the shakes.


lock it up!

[ozzie]

All Doc had to do was put some extra plutonium in the car and Marty could have gotten back without a problem. Doc had to know what was going to happen, as evidenced by his wearing the bullet proof vest
His actions are therefore suspect.
Why make Marty and his own 1950's counterpart jump through so many hoops? I understand that it would have been very boring otherwise...Im just sayin....

If Marty finds the plutonium to get him back immediately, then he doesn't seek out the doc, doesn't somehow figure out how to wire the camcorder into the 1955 television, and he doesn't get to see that he gets shot... therefore, doesn't wear the bulletproof vest, and still dies in 1985.

[ScottFromGA]

If Marty finds the plutonium to get him back immediately, then he doesn't seek out the doc, doesn't somehow figure out how to wire the camcorder into the 1955 television, and he doesn't get to see that he gets shot... therefore, doesn't wear the bulletproof vest, and still dies in 1985.

oh snap!

[EliSnow]

If Marty finds the plutonium to get him back immediately, then he doesn't seek out the doc, doesn't somehow figure out how to wire the camcorder into the 1955 television, and he doesn't get to see that he gets shot... therefore, doesn't wear the bulletproof vest, and still dies in 1985.

Winner!

[IMSlacker]

All Doc had to do was put some extra plutonium in the car and Marty could have gotten back without a problem. Doc had to know what was going to happen, as evidenced by his wearing the bullet proof vest
His actions are therefore suspect.
Why make Marty and his own 1950's counterpart jump through so many hoops? I understand that it would have been very boring otherwise...Im just sayin....

He also knew that the lightning/clock tower trick worked out just fine. Why waste plutonium?

[sr71blackbird]

If Marty finds the plutonium to get him back immediately, then he doesn't seek out the doc, doesn't somehow figure out how to wire the camcorder into the 1955 television, and he doesn't get to see that he gets shot... therefore, doesn't wear the bulletproof vest, and still dies in 1985.

Further proof that Doc was just out for himself and his own well being!

[high fly]

......... never did like Doc anyways......

[Fallon]

......... never did like Doc anyways......

Great Scott!!!

[Devo37]

Great Scott!!!

yeah, that's heavy.

[EliSnow]

Further proof that Doc was just out for himself and his own well being!

You forget that Doc was also aware that as a result of the whole trip, Marty changed the past concerning his family somewhat, and that change was for the better.

If Marty didn't go through the whole adventure, because he had plutonium on hand, his family life would have gone back to the shit life it was.

So the entire adventure was for the well being of both Doc, Marty, and the rest of the McFly family.

[mikeyboy]

You forget that Doc was also aware that as a result of the whole trip, Marty changed the past concerning his family somewhat, and that change was for the better.

How did he know that change would be for the better? Marty didn't find this out until after he returned to the present, so he had no way of informing Doc Brown's past self that everything was better.

[EliSnow]

How did he know that change would be for the better? Marty didn't find this out until after he returned to the present, so he had no way of informing Doc Brown's past self that everything was better.

While Marty didn't know the changes he made, it was because he was time traveling, so he never experienced the new life his actions created. But from the 1950's on, Doc would have been a witness to Marty's life.

Remember, the question was why didn't 1985 Doc, (aware of Marty's time traveling, etc.)have more plutonium so that when Marty went back, he'd have it. 1985 Doc would have seen that Marty's family was successful, that Marty's brother and sister were doing well, etc. So when the time came to test the time machine, 1985 Doc would have known that Marty would change the past, and the result was a great life for the McFly family.

[ozzie]

While Marty didn't know the changes he made, it was because he was time traveling, so he never experienced the new life his actions created. But from the 1950's on, Doc would have been a witness to Marty's life.

Remember, the question was why didn't 1985 Doc, (aware of Marty's time traveling, etc.)have more plutonium so that when Marty went back, he'd have it. 1985 Doc would have seen that Marty's family was successful, that Marty's brother and sister were doing well, etc. So when the time came to test the time machine, 1985 Doc would have known that Marty would change the past, and the result was a great life for the McFly family.



He would have nothing to compare it to, so he wouldn't know it was "better"... just that it was good, even with Marty interacting with his parents in 1955.

So, yeah, he would want Marty to go through everything exactly as he did so the future would remain the same as 1955 doc saw it happen.

[mikeyboy]

Time travel movies rarely lack plot holes you could drive a truck through.

[EliSnow]

He would have nothing to compare it to, so he wouldn't know it was "better"... just that it was good, even with Marty interacting with his parents in 1955..

Didn't Marty share a couple facts about his family with Doc that would have indicated it wasn't a great life? My memory is hazy, but I thought there was something there.

If he didn't, I think he could have deduced that it was better as well. He knew that Marty's parents originally fell in love when Marty's mom nursed her dad to health. From his observations at the school, he knew that Marty's dad has some confidence issues. He also knew that this time they fell in love after Marty's dad rescued his mom and knocked out Biff. If he watched the family he could see that Marty's dad and mom benefited from that incident. So he could deduce that due to Marty's actions in 1955, their life was better.

But regardless, he knew that their life was pretty good as a result of Marty's actions in 1955, so why change that from happening and risk making his life worse.