2011-12 NBA Season

[hammersavage]

6 days til tip off. Here is an Eastern Conference preview for all the relevant and local teams:

Celtics-The health of the Big 3 (or is it 4 now with Sheed), particularly KG's knee. Sheed can be well behaved when he is on a team who is winning and with the veterans that surround him in Boston, I don't think he will be an issue at all.
Rando's mindset with the trade rumors this offseason will be a question mark for a kid who, despite having the talent to be a top 5 PG in the league, has shown immaturity at times. It could be the last run for this group. If age doesn't catch up with them, the should easily win the division and compete to represent the East in the Finals.

Cavs-Is Shaq really the #2 LeBron's never truly had in Cleveland? Not exactly, but the big man did show he had something left in the tank last year (thank you Phoenix Suns training staff). I think the Jamario Moon/Anthony Parker signings that will make more of an impact, especially on the perimeter where the Magic murdered them in playoffs last year.
They have the best player on the planet who will surely be on the short list for MVP when the season is over. With free agency looming, this is the Cav's last chance to keep the king reigning in Cleveland.

Magic-The idea of Vince Carter taking a shot in a big spot should make Orlando fans cringe. Losing Hedo was the biggest loss for any contender this offseason, he could play any position for them. Courtney Lee and Rafer Alston played important minutes for them in the postseason.
But Jameer Nelson is healthy and he was incredible in the first half for them last year. The best center in the league. Bringing Gortat back and the acquisition of Ryan Anderson were sneaky moves that will payoff big. They are too talented to falter during the regular season, but I think with the matchup problems that they used to create now much smaller and VC in a big spot, I don't think they can make it out of the East.

Bulls-Losing Ben Gordon hurts, especially on their perimeter shooting. But if Rose gets better in his second year, now with a healthy Luol Deng, they could contend. They are in the 2nd tier of Eastern Conference teams. The Wizards are at the bottom rung of this crew.

Hawks-Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, and Al Horford are as talented a top 3 as there is in the East. But like Chicago, aren't in the same class as Cleveland, Boston and Orlando.

Heat-DWade can will them into the playoffs but not much more. He needs Beasley to figure it out if they expect to make a deep run. Only 2 players under contract after this year. The Summer of 2010 will be hanging over them if they don't have a team worthy of Wade to stay for.

Nets-$200 million doesn't buy what it used to. Devin Harris is an all-star and Brook Lopez is one of the better big men in the East. Terrence Williams will be a good pro, Courtney Lee can be a starter on a title contender, CRD committed himself to getting better in the offseason and can be a huge defensive presence. But they are a couple years away from competing. Who takes over the game in the 4th when they need a big shot? I think they will be more competitive then anyone is giving them credit for, but the playoffs won't be in the cards.

Knicks-Sure, they'll finally have the ever allusive 'cap space' after this season, but who will the player its spent on be playing aside? I guess they will be entertaining from an offensive perspective but there isn't much there to get excited about after Lee and Robinson. Can't wait to see what Darko provides.

[stinkbud]

OOOH YEA!!!

After their ouster in the eastern conf. finals, Bron and the Cavs are hungrier than ever. I am so fucking psyched for this season....SHAQ YALL!!!

GO CAVS!!! RING FOR THE KING BITCHES!!!!!

[Snoogans]

Knicks are gonna win the championship

[disneyspy]

Knicks are gonna win the championship

kevin,snoogans is gonna kick your ass for stealin his password and posting rediculous messages

[Snoogans]

i said it hoping hippo mocks me for it so that it actually happens

[disneyspy]

check,the pistons are gonna be awesome this year!

[King Hippos Bandaid]

i said it hoping hippo mocks me for it so that it actually happens


I already ordered my playoff tickets

[Snoogans]

I already ordered my playoff tickets

YOU SON OF A BITCH

[hammersavage]

5 days til tip off. Here is a preview of the relevant Western Conference teams:

Lakers-Kobe is the fiercest competitor there is so you know he will do everything he can to defend his title. Artest is in town and Ariza is out, a swap that I don't think will work for them. Phil Jackson gets credit, and rightfully so, for managing the Bulls dynasty during the Rodman years and how he handled him. Artest is a different animal, he's a million times crazier. Ariza had clearly made the leap during the playoffs and deserved to come back.
Still, they will win almost 70 regular season games if all goes according to plan and are the favorites to win the title again. I just think this mix doesn't get it done this year.

Spurs-The best offseason for any contender BY FAR. Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, Jefferson and McDyess is a scary 5. But Duncan has a ton of miles on him and Ginobli seems to roll an ankle twice a year. No team is as dependent on health as the Spurs are. If they stay healthy, they beat the Lakers in the Western Conference Finals.

Mavericks-Good but not quite good enough has been the M.O. of the Mavericks for almost the past decade. And although they improved significantly this offseason, they should remain that way. Really don't have the depth to make a run but should be an interesting team as always.

Nuggets-Their mantra this summer was 'stand pat'. No real additions. Hoping that the run they made last year (game 6 of the WCF) needed just another year of maturity and gelling to get over the top. I'm not so sure but Melo will come as close to winning the MVP as he has yet and Denver is still a top 4 team (at least) in the West.

Blazers-Andre Miller and Brandon Roy in the backcourt is scary. Oden becoming the defensive force he should be would put them in the upper echelon. This is the team that should take the next step and contend for the West.

Jazz, Hornets, Rockets, Clippers-Yea, I put the Clippers in this group. All talent teams, all with no chance of beating the Lakers or Spurs when it matters.

[hammersavage]

And hour til tipoff!!!!!!!

I took 4 bets. Rockets over 36.5 (they have no one, but Morey evaluates talent better than anyone and they seemingly can plug people in and be near .500), Spurs over 54.5 (gone over the last 4 years, most improved team in the league, I think could win the title), and Magic under 57.5 (I don't even like it that much, just want to root against Carter). And last the Nuggets to win the Northwest at +175.

I have no idea who is going to win the championship. I'll say Cavs over Spurs cuz that's what I'm rooting for, but I think 4 of the 5 contenders have fatal flaws.

Lebron MVP

Dejaun Blair ROY

Popovich Coach of the Year

[K.C.]

Tonight I have:

-Celtics money line (+170)
-Celtics +5
-Celtics/Cavs OVER 183.5
-Lakers money line (-800)
-Lakers -11.5

So far, so good. Cs need to hold on here in the fourth.

[TheGameHHH]

do we really have to watch the fucking massage therapist accept his championship ring? thanks tnt.

[TheGameHHH]

wait, scratch that.....watching Adam Morrison accept his NBA Championship ring was easily the highlight of my night. I honestly could not stop laughing. thank you tnt

[Knowledged_one]

6 days til tip off. Here is an Eastern Conference preview for all the relevant and local teams:

Celtics-The health of the Big 3 (or is it 4 now with Sheed), particularly KG's knee. Sheed can be well behaved when he is on a team who is winning and with the veterans that surround him in Boston, I don't think he will be an issue at all.
Rando's mindset with the trade rumors this offseason will be a question mark for a kid who, despite having the talent to be a top 5 PG in the league, has shown immaturity at times. It could be the last run for this group. If age doesn't catch up with them, the should easily win the division and compete to represent the East in the Finals.

Cavs-Is Shaq really the #2 LeBron's never truly had in Cleveland? Not exactly, but the big man did show he had something left in the tank last year (thank you Phoenix Suns training staff). I think the Jamario Moon/Anthony Parker signings that will make more of an impact, especially on the perimeter where the Magic murdered them in playoffs last year.
They have the best player on the planet who will surely be on the short list for MVP when the season is over. With free agency looming, this is the Cav's last chance to keep the king reigning in Cleveland.

Magic-The idea of Vince Carter taking a shot in a big spot should make Orlando fans cringe. Losing Hedo was the biggest loss for any contender this offseason, he could play any position for them. Courtney Lee and Rafer Alston played important minutes for them in the postseason.
But Jameer Nelson is healthy and he was incredible in the first half for them last year. The best center in the league. Bringing Gortat back and the acquisition of Ryan Anderson were sneaky moves that will payoff big. They are too talented to falter during the regular season, but I think with the matchup problems that they used to create now much smaller and VC in a big spot, I don't think they can make it out of the East.

Bulls-Losing Ben Gordon hurts, especially on their perimeter shooting. But if Rose gets better in his second year, now with a healthy Luol Deng, they could contend. They are in the 2nd tier of Eastern Conference teams. The Wizards are at the bottom rung of this crew.

Hawks-Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, and Al Horford are as talented a top 3 as there is in the East. But like Chicago, aren't in the same class as Cleveland, Boston and Orlando.

Heat-DWade can will them into the playoffs but not much more. He needs Beasley to figure it out if they expect to make a deep run. Only 2 players under contract after this year. The Summer of 2010 will be hanging over them if they don't have a team worthy of Wade to stay for.

Nets-$200 million doesn't buy what it used to. Devin Harris is an all-star and Brook Lopez is one of the better big men in the East. Terrence Williams will be a good pro, Courtney Lee can be a starter on a title contender, CRD committed himself to getting better in the offseason and can be a huge defensive presence. But they are a couple years away from competing. Who takes over the game in the 4th when they need a big shot? I think they will be more competitive then anyone is giving them credit for, but the playoffs won't be in the cards.

Knicks-Sure, they'll finally have the ever allusive 'cap space' after this season, but who will the player its spent on be playing aside? I guess they will be entertaining from an offensive perspective but there isn't much there to get excited about after Lee and Robinson. Can't wait to see what Darko provides.

Im sorry but how are the Wizards not local or relevant? A lot of DC people on this board and a team being picked to finish 4th in the east but they arent relevant?

And without trying to be a KHB but after one game, Gilbert Arenas looks to be back and almost as good as before the injury

[Fallon]

82-0

[hammersavage]

Im sorry but how are the Wizards not local or relevant? A lot of DC people on this board and a team being picked to finish 4th in the east but they arent relevant?

And without trying to be a KHB but after one game, Gilbert Arenas looks to be back and almost as good as before the injury

The Wiz are barely relevant to DC people. And I mentioned them as part of the 2nd rung of teams in the East.

[A.J.]

wait, scratch that.....watching Adam Morrison accept his NBA Championship ring was easily the highlight of my night. I honestly could not stop laughing. thank you tnt

Did he lie sobbing on the court?

[TjM]

82-0

I like the cut of your jib

[Fallon]

I like the cut of your jib

80 more to go!

[hanso]

Its fun to watch Shaq under the basket.
He just moves and his defender potently gets injured.

[Knowledged_one]

The Wiz are barely relevant to DC people. And I mentioned them as part of the 2nd rung of teams in the East.

clearly you know nothing about dc and the wizards if you think they arent relevant in dc

[hammersavage]

clearly you know nothing about dc and the wizards if you think they arent relevant in dc

first off, i was kidding. secondly, i could give two shits about DC. thirdly, they are BY FAR the 3rd most popular team in a 4 sport city.

[Ritalin]

Anybody read the Donegy (sp?) book sections on deadspin.com? Pretty interesting, and if it's true really damaging.

I think it's probably true.

[PhishHead]

hammersavage knows absolutely nothing about basketball demonstrated by his lists above. No one listen to him, he is just as bad as hippo!

[epo]

Pick up Brandon Jennings for your fantasy leagues right now.

[Spagett]

Its early but my Clippers are gonna stun some people this year.

[TheGameHHH]

Its early but my Clippers are gonna stun some people this year.

i dont see how theyre going to stun anybody. if they stay healthy theyre a pretty nasty team, especially when blake gets back

[razorboy]

D







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That is all.

[hanso]

Pick up Brandon Jennings for your fantasy leagues right now.

I put in my picks tonight. After seeing a few games on tv. It helps.
Jermaine O'Neal looks to be in forum, for fantasy. (rated low due to last season injury).

[hammersavage]

hammersavage knows absolutely nothing about basketball demonstrated by his lists above. No one listen to him, he is just as bad as hippo!

oh you

[Fallon]

Suck it Bulls!

C's are looking great so far.

[disneyspy]

fallon loves the C's

[hanso]

So far I haven't seen a great looking C' in awhile.

[Fallon]

Celts sign Rondo for five more years.

Great news!

[Suspect Chin]

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[A.J.]

Celts sign Rondo for five more years.

Great news!

Thank God.

[epo]

The Knicks look good.

[hammersavage]

Iverson walked out on the Grizz. Might be gone for good. Just retire.

[underdog]

I just saw the old video of Dr. J and Larry Bird fighting. That was brutal.

Can you imagine if this happened today? Kobe Bryant punching Lebron in the face while Artest strangles and holds Lebron from behind. It would be the top news story for two weeks.

[hammersavage]

I just saw the old video of Dr. J and Larry Bird fighting. That was brutal.

Can you imagine if this happened today? Kobe Bryant punching Lebron in the face while Artest strangles and holds Lebron from behind. It would be the top news story for two weeks.

I think Skip Bayless' head might just explode if that happened.

[A.J.]

I just saw the old video of Dr. J and Larry Bird fighting. That was brutal.

Can you imagine if this happened today? Kobe Bryant punching Lebron in the face while Artest strangles and holds Lebron from behind. It would be the top news story for two weeks.

I remember that game. The worst part of that was thinking that Moses Malone was going to rip off Bird's head with that headlock he was giving him.

[Kevin]

The Knicks look good.



Those words should never be uttered, sarcastic or not.

[saturn]

With the season underway - you gotta go with LEAGUE PASS (http://www.nba.com/leaguepass/index.html) to stay on top of all the action. Archived games and live streaming are the only way to stay up with your divisional rivals or your fantasy team.

[Fallon]

..I'm payin' Dwayne Wade

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[underdog]

I don't know why there's any discussion on where Wade and Lebron end up. They should team up and just play in Miami. Why would anyone not want to play in Miami?

[Fallon]

Why would anyone not want to play in Miami?

Seems to be a shitload of serial killers in Miami.

[hanso]

Ah-Ha!
Dirty Nets. Thats what you get for cheating.
Offensive goaltend to pull ahead by 1 with seconds left.
Wade knocks down a 3. FTW!

[epo]

55 by Brandon Jennings tonight.

Thankfully we won't need to debate the Rookie of the Year Award this year.

[TheMojoPin]

55 by Brandon Jennings tonight.

Thankfully we won't need to debate the Rookie of the Year Award this year.

Didn't have to debate it last year.

Though Jennings does have the problem of playing in a state people tend to forget exists.

[epo]

Didn't have to debate it last year.

Though Jennings does have the problem of playing in a state people tend to forget exists.

I know...its a shame that Jennings is better than Rose already.

[TheMojoPin]

I know...its a shame that Jennings is better than Rose already.

It's a shame he plays on a team (in a city and a state) going nowhere while Rose will be teaming up with Wade next year backed by a good young team and basking in basketball glory.

[epo]

It's a shame he plays on a team (in a city and a state) going nowhere while Rose will be teaming up with Wade next year backed by a good young team and basking in basketball glory.

Nice assumption. Wanna put that next to the Knicks fans who assume they'll have Lebron next season?

[TheMojoPin]

Nice assumption. Wanna put that next to the Knicks fans who assume they'll have Lebron next season?

Yup. Knicks will actually end up with both Bosh and Lebron and the great Bulls vs. Knicks playoff matches of yore shall be restored. Have fun in the gutter.

[TheGameHHH]

I swear I hope this happens....the Knicks are reconsidering A.I.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4664550

now if they could just convince Starbury to come back that team would be complete

[hammersavage]

I swear I hope this happens....the Knicks are reconsidering A.I.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4664550

now if they could just convince Starbury to come back that team would be complete

Its a great move for them. Nothing can make them decent short of restructuring the whole roster so why not just have some fun with it with someone who will put asses in the seats and doesn't tie up any money for next year.

[A.J.]

I swear I hope this happens....the Knicks are reconsidering A.I.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4664550

now if they could just convince Starbury to come back that team would be complete

Another guard - just what the Knicks need.

[KnoxHarrington]

Holy hell, the Knicks are awful.

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Luckily for them, the Nets are even worse, and they fall to 0-13.

[Fallon]

I don't see the big deal, he knew the clock was expired.

People are making him out to be an idiot.

[Fallon]

Paul Fuckin' Pierce!!!

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[hammersavage]

If this is really a retirement for AI, I will miss him. Just an iconic, transcendent player who took such a beating but was as lethal a scorer as anyone. He was the face of the league, for good or bad, after Jordan.

I hope he changes his mind.

[hanso]

Paul Fuckin' Pierce!!!

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Pa Poo Honda Moo!
Thats how Tim Hardaway used to call the games.

[hanso]

Holy hell, the Knicks are awful.

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Luckily for them, the Nets are even worse, and they fall to 0-13.
There is a good chance they will break the loss record.
To tie will be Lakers, and to set new record they play Mavericks.

[Fallon]

Sheed tells it like it is.
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=4694898

The tech on Pierce was embarrassing. Now you can't look at people?

[Snoogans]

Paul Fuckin' Pierce!!!

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it was a technical. And what a bunch of bullshit. You can dunk on almost anyone if you knee them in the groin first

[hanso]

He's on my fantasy team.He can knee anyone he likes. Except for any Heat players on Sunday.

[Fallon]

it was a technical. And what a bunch of bullshit. You can dunk on almost anyone if you knee them in the groin first

Bosh was in the circle. Pierce has the right of way. The basket counted, so that's not what they called.

They called him looking at Bosh.

[Snoogans]

Bosh was in the circle. Pierce has the right of way. The basket counted, so that's not what they called.

They called him looking at Bosh.

he shoulda been called for intentionally kneeing bosh in the nuts. Everyone who has ever played pick up hoops and drove to the basket knows how easy and fuckin cheap that stick your knee up move is.

Oh thats just how people jump......my fuckin ass it is.

[TheMojoPin]

he shoulda been called for intentionally kneeing bosh in the nuts. Everyone who has ever played pick up hoops and drove to the basket knows how easy and fuckin cheap that stick your knee up move is.

Oh thats just how people jump......my fuckin ass it is.

Yeah, even if the technical was technically called for the look he deserved it for the knee and then staring like he did something purely badass instead of a dirty move. Fucking bush league. He knew exactly what he was doing. There's the contact from being in the way and then there's a guy sticking his knee way the fuck out trying to nail the other guy.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, even if the technical was technically called for the look he deserved it for the knee. Fucking bush league. He knew exactly what he was doing. There's the contact from being in the way and then there's a guy sticking his knee way the fuck out trying to nail the other guy in the nads.

if that had happened at a park, someone woulda knocked pierce the fuck out

[TheMojoPin]

if that had happened at a park, someone woulda knocked pierce the fuck out

Pretty much.

[underdog]

he shoulda been called for intentionally kneeing bosh in the nuts. Everyone who has ever played pick up hoops and drove to the basket knows how easy and fuckin cheap that stick your knee up move is.

Oh thats just how people jump......my fuckin ass it is.

Remember when Kobe punched Manu in the face or whatever when he was taking a 3 pointer?

[hanso]

Didn't Reggie Miller stick out his foot when shooting most times?

[TheGameHHH]

remeber when chris paul punched some dude in the nuts at wake forest, yet we're still all on his balls? please.

[Snoogans]

remeber when chris paul punched some dude in the nuts at wake forest, yet we're still all on his balls? please.

thats different. That was a dick move, but he did it, and everyone saw, and he never acted like he didnt.

The dickheads who do the knee thing on dunks/layups always try to act like its an accident and thats just how people jump. Fuckin nonsense

[TheGameHHH]

thats different. That was a dick move, but he did it, and everyone saw, and he never acted like he didnt.

The dickheads who do the knee thing on dunks/layups always try to act like its an accident and thats just how people jump. Fuckin nonsense

i promise you im soooo not trying to defend paul pierce on this, but how do you jump and not have your knees jet out? its almost respondant behavoir. i think thats how i jump and im 5' 9", white and can barely ball

[epo]

I have no dog in this fight, but that was dirty as fuck by Paul Pierce. If I were him I wouldn't spend too much time under the rim against the Raptors in the near future.

[cougarjake13]

who the hell epo'd the nets ???

[underdog]

Bosh seems to be more upset at his team for not caring :

"Yeah, I'd like to see the team more passionate. I look at their bench and they're all up standing at half-court, and nobody from their team was down on the floor. I think we would react better to just be out there for one another and just stay together."

[TheMojoPin]

For some reason I'm feeling more and more that the Heat re-sign Wade AND sign Bosh.

[GregoryJoseph]

I don't think I know anybody that follows NBA basketball anymore.

It seems fan interest has dropped off as badly as NHL hockey.

[GregoryJoseph]

oops

[Snoogans]

I don't think I know anybody that follows NBA basketball anymore.

It seems fan interest has dropped off as badly as NHL hockey.

its a pretty fair guess to say you know nothing of what you speak. In fact basketball ratings have been slowly climbing over the past few years. We dont see it alot here cause the 2 teams are HORRIBLE. but basketball is doing fine and is WAY WAY beyond, right now, where hockey will ever be

[underdog]

its a pretty fair guess to say you know nothing of what you speak. In fact basketball ratings have been slowly climbing over the past few years. We dont see it alot here cause the 2 teams are HORRIBLE. but basketball is doing fine and is WAY WAY beyond, right now, where hockey will ever be

He just doesn't like that they don't use peach baskets anymore.

[midwestjeff]

Probably misses the short shorts too.

[Snoogans]

Probably misses the short shorts too.

come on, EVERYONE misses those

[foodcourtdruide]

its a pretty fair guess to say you know nothing of what you speak. In fact basketball ratings have been slowly climbing over the past few years. We dont see it alot here cause the 2 teams are HORRIBLE. but basketball is doing fine and is WAY WAY beyond, right now, where hockey will ever be

NHL never recovered from their lockout. ESPN found alternative programming which has overshadowed hockey.

[Fallon]

For some reason I'm feeling more and more that the Heat re-sign Wade AND sign Bosh.

He seems to hate his team, but thinks he's as big as Lebron and Wade. I'm not sure if he's gonna be the #2 player. I have a feeling he'll take a big contact on an average team.

[Fallon]

NHL never recovered from their lockout. ESPN found alternative programming which has overshadowed hockey.

The NHL is fucking great, people that don't come back after lockouts or strikes were never true fans to begin with.

[TheMojoPin]

He seems to hate his team, but thinks he's as big as Lebron and Wade. I'm not sure if he's gonna be the #2 player. I have a feeling he'll take a big contact on an average team.

I hope so, because that's pretty much the only shot the Bulls have of landing one of those three outside of a miracle.

[Kevin]

I hope so, because that's pretty much the only shot the Bulls have of landing one of those three outside of a miracle.



You just told me Bron was signing with the Bulls, a few days ago.

[TheMojoPin]

You just told me Bron was signing with the Bulls, a few days ago.

That was crazy talk.

[Fallon]

Celts vs Heat is about to begin.

C's need to jump on them early.

[hanso]

Any heat players have groin pulls yet guarding pa poo?

[hanso]

Beasley's a beast better watch out
Games going down to the wire. Not bad.

[Snoogans]

That was crazy talk.

just like when you bet me 100 bucks he would sign with the knicks and owe me 100 no matter who he signs with if its not the knicks?

[TheMojoPin]

just like when you bet me 100 bucks he would sign with the knicks and owe me 100 no matter who he signs with if its not the knicks?

Yeah, I definitely fucked up that bet.

[disneyspy]

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[hammersavage]

Nice job by Thorn to fire Frank before the record was set so he doesn't have that attached to his resume the rest of his career.


Lawrence Frank is a very good coach who seemed to work relentlessly hard and truly devoted to basketball. He will get a job somewhere else eventually and be successful. Just didn't have the talent at the right time in their careers to win.

[razorboy]

He will get a job somewhere else eventually and be successful.

I heard Willy Wonka is hiring at his Chocolate Factory.

[KnoxHarrington]

Congratulations, Nets!

Now don't pussy out on us and think about trying to win. 0-82 is within your grasp. Don't fuck this up.

I mean, think about it: a 10-72 record, say, just sucks. But 0-82 is history.

[Fallon]

Hey Raptors, how about playing a little defense. Holy cow.

[Fallon]

The Browns could use LeBron.

Here is the Link: http://www.fox8.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=7099f148-da29-4f59-90fb-0c6e30845699&src=front

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[hanso]

Hey Raptors, how about playing a little defense. Holy cow.

I like games that are run, gun, and shoot.
Like back in the late 70's early 80's
Most games were over 100 pts.
Even the bad teams. Scores around 120 were not uncommon.

[razorboy]

Congratulations, Nets!

Now don't pussy out on us and think about trying to win. 0-82 is within your grasp. Don't fuck this up.

I mean, think about it: a 10-72 record, say, just sucks. But 0-82 is history.

They had to go and ruin everything.

[TheGameHHH]

If Jeezy's payin LeBron and Jigga's payin Dwayne Wade.....I'm payin Kobe, cause that buzzer beater last night was nasty

[hanso]

Is Greg Oden the most accident prone player in the nba?

[Fallon]

Nets need to sign this bitch.

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[hammersavage]

::RADIO PSYCHIC:: Del Negro fired before Christmas ::RADIO PSYCHIC::

[razorboy]

Is Greg Oden the most accident prone player in the nba?

I could make an argument for T-Mac or Yao.

[hanso]

I think Oden has been hurt longer than he has played overall.
Those are 2 good examples Grant Hill come to mind also.
And Tim Hurt-always (Hardaway).

[TheMojoPin]

::RADIO PSYCHIC:: Del Negro fired before Christmas ::RADIO PSYCHIC::

Don't tease me like that.

[Fallon]

LeBron music video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRWtjVmkzjo

[TheGameHHH]

LeBron music video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRWtjVmkzjo

the only thing this video made me realize was, now with all that heat on Tiger, its time for Kayne West to stage a major comeback

[Fallon]

the only thing this video made me realize was, now with all that heat on Tiger, its time for Kayne West to stage a major comeback

Kanye is Kanye, everyone new that. He's already recovered from that. Tiger's situation is a whole 'nother level.

[underdog]

I need advice in a big way. In my keeper league (you keep everyone every year), I've been offered this trade :

I give Deron Williams
I get Rudy Gay, Jermaine O'Neal & Ersan Ilyasova

I'm really tempted to take the trade because my team needs rebounds badly and I can afford to give up the assists because I have Jameer Nelson & Lou Williams on my team.

But moving Deron is tough.

[hammersavage]

How does Vinny DelNegro still have a job? That's one of the worst losses I've ever seen last night.

[hammersavage]

All-Decade team: Nash, Kobe, LeBron, Duncan and Shaq is inarguable, right?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

the Bulls were wicked retarded for not keeping Ben Gordon.........

could have also signed D'Antoni, but didn't

[Fallon]

I understand it's Christmas, but do the Knicks have to wear green jerseys when the Heat are wearing their red ones?

Too confusing.

[Snoogans]

I understand it's Christmas, but do the Knicks have to wear green jerseys when the Heat are wearing their red ones?

Too confusing.

what are you fuckin color blind? How is it confusing. You cant tell between green and red?

[epo]

The real question should be: Why does David Stern hate us so much that he put the Fucking Knicks on Christmas Day?

[Snoogans]

The real question should be: Why does David Stern hate us so much that he put the Fucking Knicks on Christmas Day?

they had won 8 of 11. he wants them to be good so badly he convinced himself they are gettin goin and put them on today at noon.

go watch the video i just made. I dont get it either. WHY DOES GALLINARI HAVE A HAIR GELLED BLOW OUT DURING GAMES

[hammersavage]

Gallinari will be on Jersey Shore in 2013.

[Kevin]

The real question should be: Why does David Stern hate us so much that he put the Fucking Knicks on Christmas Day?



Because the Bucks can have five Jennings and they would still be a lesser draw than the Knicks.

[hanso]

I understand it's Christmas, but do the Knicks have to wear green jerseys when the Heat are wearing their red ones?

Too confusing.

That was a nice touch.
Xmas colors.
The knicks wore red/green.

[epo]

Because the Bucks can have five Jennings and they would still be a lesser draw than the Knicks.

Just remember, the Knicks passed on Brandon Jennings to take Jordan Hill.

Congrats.

[hanso]

No late games on tv tonight. Lakers or Suns.
Thats bunk.

[hammersavage]

Its been decided to let Del Negro go but not until they find a replacement.

Mojo is satisfied somewhere.

[hanso]

I need advice in a big way. In my keeper league (you keep everyone every year), I've been offered this trade :

I give Deron Williams
I get Rudy Gay, Jermaine O'Neal & Ersan Ilyasova

I'm really tempted to take the trade because my team needs rebounds badly and I can afford to give up the assists because I have Jameer Nelson & Lou Williams on my team.

But moving Deron is tough.
I don't know keeper leagues. But those are good players not sure about the third guy though.

I just had to drop some pacers players and got AI. I wonder if his knee will hold up.

[hammersavage]

pretty awkward two minutes.

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especially :27-:50

[epo]

pretty awkward two minutes.

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especially :27-:50

Exhibit #7614 of why Rick Barry is a fucking idiot.

[KingModem]

I'm heading to a Timberwolves game tonight at Target Center tonight. If they beat the Jazz one more time this year, I will do the weiner helicopter live via webcam.

[Snoogans]

well now, isnt this interesting in washington (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4787825)

NEW YORK -- Washington Wizards teammates Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton drew guns on each other during a Christmas Eve locker room argument over a gambling debt, according to The New York Post.

Citing an anonymous source, the Post reported in Friday's edition, however, that the standoff was sparked when Crittenton became angry at Arenas for refusing to make good on a gambling debt.

That prompted Arenas to draw on Crittenton, who then also grabbed for a gun, league security sources told the Post.

[A.J.]

well now, isnt this interesting in washington (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4787825)

Didn't Plaxico Burress teach us anything?

[Snoogans]

Didn't Plaxico Burress teach us anything?

im pretty sure plax never pulled his gun on a teammate. in the locker room. and then the teammate happened to also have a gun to point back

[TheGameHHH]

honestly, when i read that this morning......it just didnt shock me.

[hanso]

The team will just change the name back to bullets. No harm no foul.

[hammersavage]

this sums up everything:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0105/life_g_arenas01_576.jpg


what an absolute dumb bastard. He should be suspended for a year and his contract should be voided.


but he's tweeting thru the whole thing telling jokes. stop being an asshole for 5 minutes. Hibachi!

[hammersavage]

Pretty weird to see an arena get evacuated so quick. Hope its no big deal

[underdog]

Pretty weird to see an arena get evacuated so quick. Hope its no big deal

What happened?

[hammersavage]

What happened?

They had evacuated the arena in Memphis. Said not to use the elevators. It was weird to see.

But I think they just restarted.

[hammersavage]

The Clippers are cursed. I fucking hate them


Blake done for the year (http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=4823032)

[King Hippos Bandaid]

The Clippers are cursed. I fucking hate them


Blake done for the year (http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=4823032)


I heard Blake Griffin caught Greg Oden Disease

[razorboy]

I heard Blake Griffin caught Greg Oden Disease

Michael Olowokandi disease would have been more apropos.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Michael Olowokandi disease would have been more apropos.


true, the Kandi Man Kan't ...

but he was a bust than got hurt I thought



Griffin like Oden didnt even play a full game before landing on a permanent DL vacation

[underdog]

Need more dumb fantasy help.

I give up
Lou Williams
Ty Lawson
'10 1st rounder (probably end of round)
'10 2nd rounder

for
Dwight Howard
'10 2nd rounder (probably close to beginning of 2nd round)

[TheGameHHH]

Kobe passed Jerry West for the all time leading scorer in Lakers history

[hammersavage]

Dunleavy out as Clips coach. Fuckin finally.

[razorboy]

Carter was fucking unreal tonight. Fun to watch.

[hammersavage]

Carter was fucking unreal tonight. Fun to watch.

especially after the worst month of his career. enjoy him in crunchtime.

[razorboy]

especially after the worst month of his career. enjoy him in crunchtime.

Meh. I'll take Carter and Anderson over Lee, Alston and Battie any day.

[hammersavage]

Meh. I'll take Carter and Anderson over Lee, Alston and Battie any day.

well sure. but VC is a loser and a complete baby who will single-handedly kill the Magic in at least one game in the playoffs

[goreds2]

It was only against Minn. but last night my Sixers won their 5th in a row. :smile:

http://www.nba.com/games/20100209/MINPHI/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

[hammersavage]

McGrady looks like he's gonna be a Knick.

Frees up for 2 max players this summer.

[TheGameHHH]

McGrady looks like he's gonna be a Knick.

Frees up for 2 max players this summer.

When healthy that guy has never taken a team anywhere. Once again Knicks, why? If they don't get LeBron this move is going to be so funny.

[hammersavage]

When healthy that guy has never taken a team anywhere. Once again Knicks, why? If they don't get LeBron this move is going to be so funny.


Where exaclty was the team going without him? Its a 35 game sideshow. Its all about his big expiring contract. They won't get LeBron with this roster, but with the money they will have, they can get 2 max players.

[TheGameHHH]

Where exaclty was the team going without him? Its a 35 game sideshow. Its all about his big expiring contract. They won't get LeBron with this roster, but with the money they will have, they can get 2 max players.

oh, is he just a rental? i didnt know his contract was expiring

[hammersavage]

oh, is he just a rental? i didnt know his contract was expiring


It would be a disasterous move if it wasn't. But its 20 mill coming off the books, which I think was slightly more than the Al Harrington/whoever else they gave up money.

[Snoogans]

It would be a disasterous move if it wasn't. But its 20 mill coming off the books, which I think was slightly more than the Al Harrington/whoever else they gave up money.

they are tryin to get jeffries in teh deal cause he is another 6.5 that will be on the cap for this offseason. if they can move him, that will bring there cap space for this coming off season to around 30 mill

[underdog]

It would be a disasterous move if it wasn't. But its 20 mill coming off the books, which I think was slightly more than the Al Harrington/whoever else they gave up money.

It would be an Isiah-era move if he wasn't.

[Snoogans]

just save your reactions til the knicks end up doing some dumb shit like turning TMAC into gilbert arenis

[hammersavage]

just save your reactions til the knicks end up doing some dumb shit like turning TMAC into gilbert arenis

What do you say to Bosh and Arenas this offseason if his contract gets voided somehow? I think its a nice start

[Snoogans]

What do you say to Bosh and Arenas this offseason if his contract gets voided somehow? I think its a nice start

it cant be voided, thats why i think we end up taking his deal and fuckin everything up



and no, I wouldnt take gilbert for fuckin free

[hammersavage]

it cant be voided, thats why i think we end up taking his deal and fuckin everything up



and no, I wouldnt take gilbert for fuckin free

I think the only way it can be voided is if he's convicted of a felony. Which he's indicted on but also means he would go to jail if found guilty so it doesn't work.

Yea, I'd stay away from him too. Between the knee and the guns, its a recipe for another Knick disaster.

[Snoogans]

I think the only way it can be voided is if he's convicted of a felony. Which he's indicted on but also means he would go to jail if found guilty so it doesn't work.

Yea, I'd stay away from him too. Between the knee and the guns, its a recipe for another Knick disaster.

if they dont get bron, they failed. `thats what this was all for

[goreds2]

TV:

What: 2010 All-Star Weekend When: Feb. 12-14
Where: Dallas Friday: Celebrity Game, ESPN, 7 p.m. ET

Friday: Rookie Challenge, TNT, ESPN Radio, 9 p.m. ET

Saturday: Skills Challenge, 3-Point Shootout, Slam Dunk Contest: TNT, 8:30 p.m. ET (ESPN Radio coverage starts 6 p.m. ET)

Sunday: 59th NBA All-Star Game, Cowboys Stadium: TNT, ESPN Radio, 8 p.m. ET



Radio:

XM140 / SIRIUS 120

http://listen.xmradio.com/onxm/channelguide.xmc?ch=140


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For the 14th consecutive year, ESPN Radio will provide comprehensive coverage of NBA All-Star events – including all of the following events – culminating with the NBA All-Star Game Sunday, Feb. 14, at 7:45 p.m. ET. Jim Durham will provide play-by-play for the events with analyst and Hall of Famer Dr. Jack Ramsay and reporters Ric Bucher and Shelley Smith, with studio host Mark Kestecher and studio analyst Will Perdue.

Friday, Feb. 12, at 9 p.m., T-Mobile Rookie Challenge & Youth Jam – Memphis’ O.J. Mayo, New Jersey’s Brook Lopez and Oklahoma City’s Russell Westbrook will lead a sophomore class against the rookie team featuring Golden State’s Stephen Curry, Milwaukee’s Brandon Jennings and Sacramento’s Tyreke Evans.

Saturday, Feb. 13, at 6 p.m., Meet the All-Stars – interviews with players and other personalities attending NBA All-Star events.

Saturday, Feb. 13, 8:30-11 p.m., NBA All-Star Saturday Night

• Haier Shooting Stars – for the sixth straight year, four teams consisting of an NBA player, WNBA player and former NBA player will compete in a timed shooting event. This year’s participants: Atlanta (Joe Johnson, Hawks; Angel McCoughtry, Dream; former Hawk Steve Smith); Los Angeles (Pau Gasol, Lakers; Marie Ferdinand-Harris, Sparks; Brent Barry, former Clipper); Sacramento (Tyreke Evans, Kings; Nicole Powell, former Monarch; former King Chris Webber); Texas (Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks; Becky Hammon, San Antonio Silver Stars; Kenny Smith, former Houston Rocket).

• Taco Bell Skills Challenge – four NBA stars will compete in an obstacle course challenge that tests shooting, passing and dribbling skills. Chicago’s Derrick Rose will return to defend his title against Milwaukee’s Jennings, Phoenix’s Steve Nash and Utah’s Deron Williams.

• Foot Locker Three-Point Shootout – Miami’s Daequan Cook will attempt to defend last year’s triumph against Boston’s Paul Pierce, Denver’s Chauncey Billups, Golden State’s Curry, New York’s Danilo Gallinari and Phoenix’s Channing Frye.

• Sprite Slam Dunk – New York’s Nate Robinson will try and repeat against Charlotte’s Gerald Wallace, the Lakers’ Shannon Brown and either Toronto’s DeMar DeRozan or the Clippers’ Eric Gordon (DeRozan and Gordon will compete in a “dunk-in contest” to determine the fourth participant, which will be held at halftime of Saturday’s Rookie Challenge on ESPN Radio).

Sunday, Feb. 14, 7:45 p.m., 59th NBA All-Star Game – ESPN Radio will broadcast the action between the games’ elite players, including Kobe Bryant (Lakers), Tim Duncan (Spurs), Dwight Howard (Magic), LeBron James (Cavaliers) and Dwyane Wade (Heat).

[hammersavage]

i'll watch every second of it. but for the love of god, drop the WNBA bullshit tie in.

[Joe Pietaro]

Replacing Alan Iverson on the Eastern squad is David Lee of the Knicks, who is an automatic double-double on any given night. When Lee wasn't chosen earlier, it was a huge injustice. This makes it right.

[hammersavage]

Rookies finally beat the Sophs. Turning out to be a really great class that everyone thought would be subpar.

Cavs trying to deal for Amare. That would end the East officially.

Mavs and Wizards close to a deal. Might hurt the Knicks cuz the Wiz were the 3rd team in the McGrady deal.

[Snoogans]

i would accept the knicks taking on Gilbert Arenis' contract tomorrow to end this fuckin ceremony right now

[razorboy]

Replacing Alan Iverson.

Who?

[Snoogans]

Who?

Allen Iverson

[goreds2]

Allen Iverson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI

[midwestjeff]

Rookies finally beat the Sophs.

Craig Sager was fucking stylin' last night.

[hammersavage]

all decade team announced tonight.

Has to be Nash, Kobe, Lebron, Duncan and Shaq. Anything else will be a shock.

[TheGameHHH]

all decade team announced tonight.

Has to be Nash, Kobe, Lebron, Duncan and Shaq. Anything else will be a shock.

I dunno, i think Yinka Dare might sneak in there with some sympathy votes

[disneyspy]

i think dirk nowitski,kevin garnet,tim duncan,kobe and lebron,if we have to throw in a ballhandler,allen iverson

[hammersavage]

i think dirk nowitski,kevin garnet,tim duncan,kobe and lebron,if we have to throw in a ballhandler,allen iverson

you need every position. and Shaq not on the list. no way.

and Nash's two MVP's make AI a 2nd teamer

[disneyspy]

you need every position. and Shaq not on the list. no way.

and Nash's two MVP's make AI a 2nd teamer

shaq broke my heart when he left orlando,fuck him and that dirty canadian

[razorboy]

if we have to throw in a ballhandler, John Amaechi.

Fixed.

[Suspect Chin]

Wow I completely forgot it was All-Star Weekend.

[underdog]

I loved that the Celtics won a championship, but now we're stuck with Ainge and Rivers, two of the worst in the game.

Nate Robinson for Eddie House deal almost done (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4922856)

Ainge is such a horrible, horrible GM.

[hammersavage]

I don't think its a great move by any stretch. But where were they going anyway?

Nate gives them a spark offensively off the bench. At least it gives them a wrinkle as another scorer.

[underdog]

I don't think its a great move by any stretch. But where were they going anyway?

Nate gives them a spark offensively off the bench. At least it gives them a wrinkle as another scorer.

I suppose, I'm just sick of his awful moves. When he was trying to move Rondo, I wanted to shoot someone.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Tmac to the Knicks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba;_ylt=AvQ8r7sL_2gkt7O_Qp0dv7k5nYcB)


I would think T Mac haa a chance of resurrecting himself like V.C did in NJ...

He will be working for a contract and he wants to play in NYC


Worst Case is that we say good bye and have more $$ to sign free agents


I dont like losing the picks, but we draft like morons anyways

[Snoogans]

Tmac to the Knicks


IM GONNA FUCKIN KILL YOU


now we are gonna be stuck with jared jeffries contract cause you cant shut up. This is all gonna fall apart now

[Snoogans]

The Houston Rockets, Sacramento Kings and New York Knicks have agreed to terms that will expand the Houston-Sacramento deal into a three-way trade that lands Tracy McGrady with the Knicks, according to NBA front-office sources.

The Knicks will acquire McGrady and Sergio Rodriguez from Sacramento, sources said.

The Rockets get Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill and Jared Jeffries from New York and will have the right to swap first-round picks with New York in 2011 as well as take on New York's 2012 first-round pick.

Sacramento obtains Houston's Carl Landry and Joey Dorsey and New York's Larry Hughes.

if this ends up goin through i just ask how? Why the fuck would these bums take jeffries and larry hughes

[A.J.]

IM GONNA FUCKIN KILL YOU


now we are gonna be stuck with jared jeffries contract cause you cant shut up. This is all gonna fall apart now

:laugh:

[hammersavage]

Don't like to see giving away Jordan Hill already. But to get rid of both of them, they had to.

TMac will not be on the team next year. It would retarded

[Snoogans]

The Boston Celtics have reached a tentative agreement on a deal with the New York Knicks to send Eddie House, J.R. Giddens and Bill Walker to New York for Nate Robinson and a second player, according to multiple sources. The identity of the second New York player was not immediately clear.



im gonna guess the second player is Tony Douglas

[Snoogans]

Don't like to see giving away Jordan Hill already. But to get rid of both of them, they had to.

TMac will not be on the team next year. It would retarded

they only needed to get rid of jeffries, hughes is expiring anyway

[PD]

Don't like to see giving away Jordan Hill already. But to get rid of both of them, they had to.

TMac will not be on the team next year. It would retarded

if Knicks don't parlay this into 2 top FA's this will suck big time.

basically give away 3 #1s just to gain cap space.

[hammersavage]

LeBron's line going into OT: 37-13-15-2-4. fuckin unreal

[TheGameHHH]

LeBron's line going into OT: 37-13-15-2-4. fuckin unreal

yet his team still didnt pull out the W. if that guy ever gets good players on his team he's gonne put together a Jordan like title run. Imagine if he had Kobe's team?

[razorboy]

Imagine if he had Kobe's team?

Imagine if he could shoot.

[hammersavage]

Imagine if he could shoot.

you do understand that his FG% is .505 right?

[epo]

if Knicks don't parlay this into 2 top FA's this will suck big time.

basically give away 3 #1s just to gain cap space.

I say they definitely should give Kurt Thomas a MAX contract.

[PD]

I say they definitely should give Kurt Thomas a MAX contract.
been there, done that.

Looks like T-Mac still has game - at least for 1 game.

[epo]

Thabeet headed to D-League (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4946483)

The Memphis Grizzlies are sending No. 2 overall pick Hasheem Thabeet down for a stint in the D-League, the team announced on Thursday.

Two sources close to the situation confirmed Thabeet's impending D-League assignment to the Dakota Wizards to ESPN.com earlier Thursday.

Thabeet is the highest draft pick ever sent to the D-League by an NBA team. Players can only be assigned to D-League duty by their NBA teams during their first two seasons as a pro.

Let's face it, Thabeet was a joke coming out of college and this is no shock. If anything, I'll give Memphis credit for sending him to the D-League and trying to salvage this fucking trainwreck.

[The Bends]

you do understand that his FG% is .505 right? Yeah, you gotta love someone bringing up FG% as evidence that someone can shoot!.....

Shaquille O'Neal has a career FG% over .58%....

LeBron is a below average SHOOTER. MOST of his makes are from 16 feet and in. From 16 feet and further, it gets ugly!

[hammersavage]

Yeah, you gotta love someone bringing up FG% as evidence that someone can shoot!.....

IT RELEVANT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A PLAYER WHO ISN'T A CENTER!

holy shit. and half of his shots are from within 16 feet because he is driving to the basket instead of settling for jump shots. i'm not saying he's the best jump shooter in the league but he's gotten alot better.


oh and from 3, ya know, beyond 16 feet, he's shooting better than Kobe this year and as good as Carmelo.

[The Bends]

IT RELEVANT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A PLAYER WHO ISN'T A CENTER!

holy shit. and half of his shots are from within 16 feet because he is driving to the basket instead of settling for jump shots. i'm not saying he's the best jump shooter in the league but he's gotten alot better.


oh and from 3, ya know, beyond 16 feet, he's shooting better than Kobe this year and as good as Carmelo.
You're the one who made the silly " FG% " argument. Don't get mad at me....
Let me break it down for ya....

FG% is a dumb way to judge a players shooting ability, center or any other position, because it doesn't dictate where that player is shooting from. LeBron has shot alot of 3's this season. And he is overachieving in that department. But most of LeBrons makes are from driving to the basket, or in the paint. LeBron is a below average shooter. He has bad release on his shot. From 16 and in, he's probably a 65% shooter. Once you drift past that area, he becomes very mediocre.

Comparing players 3 point % is also dumb. Why? Because some players shoot more 3's than others. Some players only take wide open 3's. And some players play on transition teams.

Let me give you an example of a PG with a good FG%, who's a bad shooter....Derrick Rose. Derrick Rose has around a .48% FG%. Wow, he must be a good shooter, right? Wrong. Derrick Rose can't shoot for his life. But, what he does, is take it to the basket very well, and is a good finished. His teammate, Kirk Hinrich, has a FG% around 40%. So he must be a worse shooter, right? Wrong. Hinrich is a MUCH better shooter than Rose. Hinrich just doesn't get to the basket as much.

Pretty simple concept...

As a shooter, don't compare LeBron to Anthony, Wade, or Kobey. He is NOT in their league!

[hammersavage]

You're the one who made the silly " FG% " argument. Don't get mad at me....
Let me break it down for ya....

FG% is a dumb way to judge a players shooting ability, center or any other position, because it doesn't dictate where that player is shooting from. LeBron has shot alot of 3's this season. And he is overachieving in that department. But most of LeBrons makes are from driving to the basket, or in the paint. LeBron is a below average shooter. He has bad release on his shot. From 16 and in, he's probably a 65% shooter. Once you drift past that area, he becomes very mediocre.

Comparing players 3 point % is also dumb. Why? Because some players shoot more 3's than others. Some players only take wide open 3's. And some players play on transition teams.

Let me give you an example of a PG with a good FG%, who's a bad shooter....Derrick Rose. Derrick Rose has around a .48% FG%. Wow, he must be a good shooter, right? Wrong. Derrick Rose can't shoot for his life. But, what he does, is take it to the basket very well, and is a good finished. His teammate, Kirk Hinrich, has a FG% around 40%. So he must be a worse shooter, right? Wrong. Hinrich is a MUCH better shooter than Rose. Hinrich just doesn't get to the basket as much.

Pretty simple concept...

As a shooter, don't compare LeBron to Anthony, Wade, or Kobey. He is NOT in their league!

what a dumb argument. watch him play.

[The Bends]

what a dumb argument. watch him play. Actually, if you know basketball, which you obviously don't, it's a pretty good argument. Furthermore, analyzing the legitimacy of certain stats, is important.

But it all comes back to your silly statement, that LeBron's FG% proves he's a good shooter.

[hammersavage]

Actually, if you know basketball, which you obviously don't, it's a pretty good argument. Furthermore, analyzing the legitimacy of certain stats, is important.

But it all comes back to your silly statement, that LeBron's FG% proves he's a good shooter.

it doesn't prove he's a good shooter. watching him play and having an IQ proves that. bringing up the fact that a point-forward has a fg % over .500 helps the argument. countering with the fact that Shaq has a higher fg % is one of the dumbest points you can possibly make.

but he only shot 10/17 tonight. i'm sure they were ALL layups.

[The Bends]

it doesn't prove he's a good shooter. watching him play and having an IQ proves that. bringing up the fact that a point-forward has a fg % over .500 helps the argument. countering with the fact that Shaq has a higher fg % is one of the dumbest points you can possibly make.

but he only shot 10/17 tonight. i'm sure they were ALL layups. You still can't understand.....

What does the fact that LeBron shot 10/17 from the field, have to do with him being a good shooter?

And yes, most of those shots were from in the paint. You can go on ESPN to check out the games shot chart, just as I did. LeBron made just 2 shots from outside the paint, all game.
So once again, you look like an idiot.

Let me give you the Derrick Rose example, once again. Derrick Rose is a point guard. He has a FG% around 48%. But Derrick Rose may be the worse shooting guard in the league. His high FG% is a result of being a great finisher at the basket, and in the paint. Just like LeBron.

Again, bringing up what a guy shot from the field in a game, good or bad, is a dumb way to qualify his shooting ability.

[hammersavage]

You still can't understand.....

What does the fact that LeBron shot 10/17 from the field, have to do with him being a good shooter?

And yes, most of those shots were from in the paint. You can go on ESPN to check out the games shot chart, just as I did. LeBron made just 2 shots from outside the paint, all game.
So once again, you look like an idiot.

Let me give you the Derrick Rose example, once again. Derrick Rose is a point guard. He has a FG% around 48%. But Derrick Rose may be the worse shooting guard in the league. His high FG% is a result of being a great finisher at the basket, and in the paint. Just like LeBron.

Again, bringing up what a guy shot from the field in a game, good or bad, is a dumb way to qualify his shooting ability.

he's clearly better driving to the basket than settling for jump shots. but to call him a bad shooter is retarded.

[The Bends]

he's clearly better driving to the basket than settling for jump shots. but to call him a bad shooter is retarded.
I believe I called him a "below average shooter". And I specified that it applied to when LeBron shoots from 16 feet and further. Which anyone who knows anything about basketball, would agree with....

You're silly.

Hey, remember when you tried to use LeBron's FG% as proof that he was a good shooter?...silly

Hey, remember when you said something like "LeBron went 10/17 from the field yesterday. I bed all those shots made weren't from the paint"?....silly....Then I pointed out how only two of those makes were from outside of the paint....remember?...silly

[TheGameHHH]

I believe I called him a "below average shooter". And I specified that it applied to when LeBron shoots from 16 feet and further. Which anyone who knows anything about basketball, would agree with....

You're silly.

Hey, remember when you tried to use LeBron's FG% as proof that he was a good shooter?...silly

Hey, remember when you said something like "LeBron went 10/17 from the field yesterday. I bed all those shots made weren't from the paint"?....silly....Then I pointed out how only two of those makes were from outside of the paint....remember?...silly

you said, 'imagine if he could shoot'........that would "imply" he's a bad shooter.

[hammersavage]

I believe I called him a "below average shooter". And I specified that it applied to when LeBron shoots from 16 feet and further. Which anyone who knows anything about basketball, would agree with....

You're silly.

Hey, remember when you tried to use LeBron's FG% as proof that he was a good shooter?...silly

Hey, remember when you said something like "LeBron went 10/17 from the field yesterday. I bed all those shots made weren't from the paint"?....silly....Then I pointed out how only two of those makes were from outside of the paint....remember?...silly

remember when i banned you for no reason. silly

[The Bends]

Imagine if he could shoot. This is for TheGameHHH(God I hope you are 12 with that name!)....

As you can see, someone else wrote "Imagine if he could shoot", not me!

Get your shit straight!

[The Bends]

remember when i banned you for no reason. silly
Yes, and you come off as an insecure, nerdy, dumbass, in doing so....

I mean, you seriously ban someone for correcting you on an obviously stupid statement!

Dude, you need an outside life. You are on here way too much. You are one of those guys who wouldn't be able to describe a pussy, if it wasn't for the internet....the only kind of pussy you will ever know in your life, will be that of a fat girl....and you know exactly what I'm talking about!

PS: How silly did I make you look over that LeBron debate? lol

[disneyspy]

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[underdog]

Yes, and you come off as an insecure, nerdy, dumbass, in doing so....

I mean, you seriously ban someone for correcting you on an obviously stupid statement!

Dude, you need an outside life. You are on here way too much. You are one of those guys who wouldn't be able to describe a pussy, if it wasn't for the internet....the only kind of pussy you will ever know in your life, will be that of a fat girl....and you know exactly what I'm talking about!

PS: How silly did I make you look over that LeBron debate? lol

I think he was drunk when he did it.

[hammersavage]

alright, now i like this guy.

[hammersavage]

I think he was drunk when he did it.

you see Nate last night. not winning that game with Eddie House

[disneyspy]

alright, now i like this guy.

because he hopes HHH is a 12 year old boy?

[hammersavage]

because he hopes HHH is a 12 year old boy?

nice

[The Bends]

Dam, you cornballs are on here alot....


What's funnier than Disneyspy's "Two And A Half Men" humor?

Anyone remember when I raped hammer(AKA fat pussy lover) over our LeBron debate so badly, that he banned me for it?

Silly!

[hammersavage]

can a mod change my mod quote to 'fat pussy lover'?

oh wait

[hanso]

There should be a Sopranos tee shirt " I love big pussy"

[disneyspy]

Dam, you cornballs are on here alot....


What's funnier than Disneyspy's "Two And A Half Men" humor?

Anyone remember when I raped hammer(AKA fat pussy lover) over our LeBron debate so badly, that he banned me for it?

Silly!

sailor,please take the handcuffs off me for a few posts

[TheGameHHH]

because he hopes HHH is a 12 year old boy?

fuck you guys, i'm 14. and im no longer a tween!

[razorboy]

D12.

That is all.

[The Bends]

sailor,please take the handcuffs off me for a few posts Holy shit! Did you really just ask for "the cuffs to be taken off"? As in "You're such a bad ass, that the mods have to keep you under control", LOL, Seriously?
Oh "Two And A Half Men, humor guy", what will you say next!?!

PS: Remember when I raped hammer over his stupid "FG%" theory? Silly, Hammer!

[disneyspy]

saw this guy give this spoon the bends and for no reason whatsoever i thought of NBA basketball

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[razorboy]

saw this guy give this spoon the bends and for no reason whatsoever i thought of NBA basketball

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Let LeBrick be.

[disneyspy]

Let LeBrick be.

ya, thats who i must have been thinking about

[Pestz4Evah]

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3134/x2cae527.jpg

[razorboy]

JVG is soooo fucking awful in the booth.

[Snoogans]

knicks were good last night


btw bron is shooting 50% from the floor. for a guard/sf, thats actually pretty good. up from his career avg too. as he is on 3's though he still isnt great on those. Also remember he takes most of his shots while being double and triple teamed

[epo]

knicks were good last night

What was that about the Knicks making the playoffs?

[Snoogans]

What was that about the Knicks making the playoffs?

you didnt see? about 3 days after that awesome run the knicks went on where they won like 8 out of 10, hippo posted about how good they looked


I hope you still think so after a 20 point loss to the Nets, hippo.

btw the knicks were up like 19-4 in the game last night. After a stretch of about 2 minutes, it was still 19-7 knicks and I IMed kevin and said bro, we are losin this game, i can see it already.

Final score Nets 113, Knicks 93

[The Bends]

knicks were good last night


btw bron is shooting 50% from the floor. for a guard/sf, thats actually pretty good. up from his career avg too. as he is on 3's though he still isnt great on those. Also remember he takes most of his shots while being double and triple teamed

"btw bron is shooting 50% from the floor. for a guard/sf, thats actually pretty good"

As the case has been made very clearly before, FG % has nothing to do with a players ability to shoot. See Derrick Rose, among other guards/small forwards who get to the rim extremely well, but aren't good shooters.....Very simple concept.


"Also remember he takes most of his shots while being double and triple teamed"

You just made that up. It is very hard to double team guards/forwards in the NBA. It does not happen consistently because it's a huge liability for the defensive team on the perimeter. It happens to centers/power forwards sometimes.

[Snoogans]

"btw bron is shooting 50% from the floor. for a guard/sf, thats actually pretty good"

As the case has been made very clearly before, FG % has nothing to do with a players ability to shoot. See Derrick Rose, among other guards/small forwards who get to the rim extremely well, but aren't good shooters.....Very simple concept.


"Also remember he takes most of his shots while being double and triple teamed"

You just made that up. It is very hard to double team guards/forwards in the NBA. It does not happen consistently because it's a huge liability for the defensive team on the perimeter. It happens to centers/power forwards sometimes.

do you ever watch Cavs games. Hard or not, they double and triple him all game. Sometimes he beats them, but they do it. Watch a Cavs game.


yea I just made up that bron gets double teamed

[The Bends]

do you ever watch Cavs games. Hard or not, they double and triple him all game. Sometimes he beats them, but they do it. Watch a Cavs game.


yea I just made up that bron gets double teamed
You just made that up again....

In the NBA, players, especially guards, aren't double teamed often. In a game of 5 on 5 double teaming 1 player, no matter how good he is, is a huge liability. Sometimes, and not often, centers and power forwards get double teamed....

Don't confused help defense and trapping with double teaming.

The fact that you brought up triple teams proves how full of shit you are. Yeah, in a game where 5 players are on the court for both teams, you are going to put 3 guys on one player, leaving a 4 on 2 advantage....

Just stupid!

[Snoogans]

You just made that up again....

In the NBA, players, especially guards, aren't double teamed often. In a game of 5 on 5 double teaming 1 player, no matter how good he is, is a huge liability. Sometimes, and not often, centers and power forwards get double teamed....

Don't confused help defense and trapping with double teaming.

The fact that you brought up triple teams proves how full of shit you are. Yeah, in a game where 5 players are on the court for both teams, you are going to put 3 guys on one player, leaving a 4 on 2 advantage....

Just stupid!

it happens. its happened fror awhile, espcially the last couple years where the Cavs were so bad they would just leave guys wide open for 3's. Im not tryin to fight with you, but watch a Cavs game even now. you will be amazed how much teams actually will do it to him

[epo]

Is it me, or did the entire Celtics roster just get old this year?

Their window is probably closed now.

[The Bends]

it happens. its happened fror awhile, espcially the last couple years where the Cavs were so bad they would just leave guys wide open for 3's. Im not tryin to fight with you, but watch a Cavs game even now. you will be amazed how much teams actually will do it to him During Ohio University basketball games, D.J. Cooper dunks from the 3 point line, and makes 5 half courters a games...

I just did the same thing as you. I completely made up a basketball scenario that doesn't take place. Now even half a retard would question what I just wrote about D.J. Cooper. I can't back up my D. J. Cooper statement with any logic. Why? Again, because I completely made it up. So what do I say?..... Watch Ohio University games. I'm telling you, it happens...

The moral of the story......

Stop lying, liar!

[Snoogans]

can some one else seriously tell me they dont run double teams at LeBron? Id love to see if someone else really thinks this

[Fallon]

Is it me, or did the entire Celtics roster just get old this year?

Their window is probably closed now.

They just don't have it. IMHO I think Doc has lost any control of the team he may have had in the past. They get too many technical fouls and don't hustle enough.

They could make a playoff run, but they'd have to play their ass off to make it past the second round.

[hammersavage]

yea, the celts are clearly done. i thought there were five teams who could win the title before the season, and i still think there are five just different teams.

[TheGameHHH]

yea, the celts are clearly done. i thought there were five teams who could win the title before the season, and i still think there are five just different teams.

dallas, denver, lakers, cavs and magic?

[Snoogans]

dallas, denver, lakers, cavs and magic?

dallas is a lock if they play like they did against the knicks

[hammersavage]

dallas, denver, lakers, cavs and magic?

that's them. although snoogs is right, the mavs were embarrassing the other day and a title contender can't lose at home to the knicks by 30.

[Aggie]

that's them. although snoogs is right, the mavs were embarrassing the other day and a title contender can't lose at home to the knicks by 30.

they were tired from winning 13 in a row.

[Snoogans]

they were tired from winning 13 in a row.

they beat the knicks by 50 in january. to lose to them now by 34, thats some shameful shit. Jason Terry isnt that good. Mavs are out for me. My list is down to 4

[Aggie]

they beat the knicks by 50 in january. to lose to them now by 34, thats some shameful shit. Jason Terry isnt that good. Mavs are out for me. My list is down to 4

i love the mavs but they are streaky. they've never had a GREAT team, more scoring and too many liabilities on defense. they missed their shot in '06. and i agree, terry can get hot every once in awhile but other than that he is mediocre at best.

[razorboy]

Dirk plays the douchey suspect passer position very well.

[TheGameHHH]

just saying it now, the Lakers wont make it out of the second round