Woman Has Fifteen Abortions over Seventeen Years

[west milly Tom]

So sad.

A woman who is a self-described "abortion addict" has written a book in which she details having 15 terminations over 17 years.

In her book called " Impossible Motherhood: Testimony of an Abortion Addict ," Irene Vilar, 40, said she got pregnant and had the abortions as a way of rebelling against her "controlling" husband who didn't want children, according to the Daily Mail.

http://wap.myfoxla.com/w/main/story/7203614/

[A.J.]

Irene Vilar, 40, said she got pregnant and had the abortions as a way of rebelling against her "controlling" husband who didn't want children,

Rebelling would have been to HAVE the children, no?

[west milly Tom]

Rebelling would have been to HAVE the children, no?


No logic involved here.

[MC Pee Pants]

Sounds like my kinda gal.

[Ritalin]

Fox?

Huh.

[opie's twisted balls]

I truly believe that the decision to have an abortion is between a woman, her conscious, her god (if applicable) and her doctor but if the number of times your vag has been visited by a shop vac is in double digits there's likely some issues that need to be worked out.

[Dude!]

some day we'll have a supreme court
that will overturn roe v. wade

it was an abortion of a ruling

[A.J.]

some day we'll have a supreme court
that will overturn roe v. wade

it was an abortion of a ruling

You can poke holes in the legal argument with a coat hangar.

[Jujubees2]

some day we'll have a supreme court
that will overturn roe v. wade

it was an abortion of a ruling

Some day we'll have a supreme court who will rule for forced sterilization.

[underdog]

Stories like this make me happy abortion is legal.

This woman should be nowhere near children.

[JohnCharles]

I am pro choice.

However, this is abuse.

What doctor would allow her to go through with this procedure knowing her history.

Not only do I find it morally wrong but imagine the trauma her body has sustained over the 17 years.

Not just sad, but sick.

[underdog]

some day we'll have a supreme court
that will overturn roe v. wade

No, we won't.

it was an abortion of a ruling

You're an abortion.

[underdog]

I am pro choice.

However, this is abuse.

What doctor would allow her to go through with this procedure knowing her history.

Not only do I find it morally wrong but imagine the trauma her body has sustained over the 17 years.

Not just sad, but sick.

Pro-lifers always argue that women use abortion as birth control, but does anyone actually want this sociopath to have children?

[TheMojoPin]

Some day we'll have a supreme court who will rule for forced sterilization.

Someday we'll have a Supreme Court that will kick Dude! to death.

[JohnCharles]

Pro-lifers always argue that women use abortion as birth control, but does anyone actually want this sociopath to have children?

Well, clearly no.

But there also is a line that needs to be drawn in the medical community to stop providing treatment that may be detrimental to a patient's health.

[A.J.]

Stories like this make me happy abortion is legal.

This woman should be nowhere near children.

I wish the Octomom had followed suit.

[Ritalin]

Someday we'll have a Supreme Court that will kick Dude! to death.

No. Beat him to death with a copy of Strunk and White.

[biggirl]

Ugh...this woman needed to be aborted. 1. for not leaving her "controlling" husband who probably told her at the beginning he didn't want kids, yet she married him anyhow (dumb) 2. for aborting babies (dumb) Yeah...I am prolife, obviously.

[west milly Tom]

Fox?

Huh.

Made NBC too eat a dick.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah...I am prolife, obviously.

Ugh...this woman needed to be aborted.

*SHEEPY HORN*

[angrymissy]

Well, clearly no.

But there also is a line that needs to be drawn in the medical community to stop providing treatment that may be detrimental to a patient's health.

Having 15 abortions is actually less dangerous than having 15 childbirths.

[biggirl]

*SHEEPY HORN*

I am prolife for babies yet to be born...I am not prolife for stupid people.

[west milly Tom]

Having 15 abortions is actually less dangerous than having 15 childbirths.



For the child?

[west milly Tom]

I am prolife for babies yet to be born...I am not prolife for stupid people.



Then stay away from this guys posts.

[A.J.]

Having 15 abortions is actually less dangerous than having 15 childbirths.

Cheaper too.

[angrymissy]

For the child?

There is a big difference between child and fetus.

[TheMojoPin]

I am prolife for babies yet to be born...I am not prolife for stupid people.

So then stop calling yourself "pro-life." You're just as much pro-death as you are pro-life.

[Hottub]

There is a big difference between child and fetus.

By the time you get to the 3d trimester, not really.

[angrymissy]

By the time you get to the 3d trimester, not really.

Abortion isn't legal in the 3rd trimester unless it's to save the life of the mother or there is a severe fetal defect.

[biggirl]

So then stop calling yourself "pro-life." You're just as much pro-death as you are pro-life.

ok...you win. I am the stupid one. Thanks, you just made my day so much brighter.

[JohnCharles]

Having 15 abortions is actually less dangerous than having 15 childbirths.

Genuinely, I'd love to see the research that supports either side of this.

It's really interesting.

[angrymissy]

Genuinely, I'd love to see the research that supports either side of this.

It's really interesting.

It's pretty easy to figure out. Childbirth is much more risky medically overall than legal abortion, which is a very simple, safe, outpatient procedure.

http://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/safety.html

How safe is abortion?

* The risk of abortion complications is minimal when the procedure is performed by a trained professional in a hygienic setting: Fewer than 1% of all U.S. abortion patients experience a major complication. The risk of death associated with abortion in the United States is less than 0.6 per 100,000 procedures, which is less than one-tenth as large as the risk associated with childbirth. (40)

[foodcourtdruide]

What's the difference if she had 15 or 1? If you believe abortion is not "murder", why would it matter? Killing 1 baby is ok, but 15 isn't?

[Hottub]

Abortion isn't legal in the 3rd trimester unless it's to save the life of the mother or there is a severe fetal defect.

Doesn't mean it's not happening.

[foodcourtdruide]

There is a big difference between child and fetus.

If there wasn't we wouldn't be having any debate. Again, you are all ok with someone having one abortion (one child murder), but disgusted at someone having 15?

[JohnCharles]

It's pretty easy to figure out. Childbirth is much more risky medically overall than legal abortion, which is a very simple, safe, outpatient procedure.

http://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/safety.html

How safe is abortion?

touche. While at work, I don't research.

Given that, I go back to my original statement. This situation is absurd.

[angrymissy]

Doesn't mean it's not happening.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say.

There is only 1 doctor left in the entire country that will perform an abortion past 22 weeks. There are incredibly strict regulations in place regarding these types of abortions.

Are you trying to say elective abortions are happening in the 3rd trimester?

The majority of them are performed due to pretty difficult birth defects like severe hydrocephalus, down syndrome, and the like.

[TheMojoPin]

What's the difference if she had 15 or 1? If you believe abortion is not "murder", why would it matter? Killing 1 baby is ok, but 15 isn't?

For me it's less an issue the act itself being "OK" and there clearly being something wrong this woman psychologically. If it wasn't with the abortions she'd be finding some other way to act out along these lines.

[JohnCharles]

For me it's less an issue the act itself being "OK" and there clearly being something wrong this woman psychologically. If it wasn't with the abortions she'd be finding some other way to act out along these lines.

Right. So the medical doctors who provided the treatment should have recognized that there is more at play that drives this behavior and try to provide treatment for the likely underlying psychological issues at hand.

[angrymissy]

Right. So the medical doctors who provided the treatment should have recognized that there is more at play that drives this behavior and try to provide treatment for the likely underlying psychological issues at hand.

The doctors that provided the abortions would have no way of even knowing unless she told them, and they're not there to provide psychiatric treatment. She requested a legal medical procedure, and it was provided to her.

Should doctors refuse to treat a woman who becomes pregnant 15 times?

Personally, I think she's an idiot, and I'm wondering how she paid for 15 abortions without her controlling husband figuring it out.

[foodcourtdruide]

For me it's less an issue the act itself being "OK" and there clearly being something wrong this woman psychologically. If it wasn't with the abortions she'd be finding some other way to act out along these lines.

Clearly, using abortion as birth control is insane. There's definitely something mentally wrong with her.

[JohnCharles]

The doctors that provided the abortions would have no way of even knowing unless she told them, and they're not there to provide psychiatric treatment. She requested a legal medical procedure, and it was provided to her.

Should doctors refuse to treat a woman who becomes pregnant 15 times?

Please, you mean that at no point a doctor, knowing of the medical history wouldn't question the situation?

You can't believe that it was never brought up as a bigger problem.

If a person cuts their wrists or arms just enough to bleed, we toss them into therapy though there was nothing more than attention seeking behavior at play.

Why should this be treated any differently?

[foodcourtdruide]

Please, you mean that at no point a doctor, knowing of the medical history wouldn't question the situation?

You can't believe that it was never brought up as a bigger problem.

If a person cuts their wrists or arms just enough to bleed, we toss them into therapy though there was nothing more than attention seeking behavior at play.

Why should this be treated any differently?

You are totally jumping to conclusions. How do you know what doctors told her?

[JohnCharles]

You are totally jumping to conclusions. How do you know what doctors told her?

I don't. Neither do you.

But somehow, this story became public.

Now that it is, it's fair game to ask these questions.

[angrymissy]

Please, you mean that at no point a doctor, knowing of the medical history wouldn't question the situation?

You can't believe that it was never brought up as a bigger problem.

If a person cuts their wrists or arms just enough to bleed, we toss them into therapy though there was nothing more than attention seeking behavior at play.

Why should this be treated any differently?

How would the doctor know her medical history? The doctor at a clinic knows only what is written on the intake sheet.

Even if she chose to share how many abortions she had had, there is no legal limit - she should be treated no differently than someone having their 15th child.

[JohnCharles]

How would the doctor know her medical history? The doctor at a clinic knows only what is written on the intake sheet.

Even if she chose to share how many abortions she had had, there is no legal limit - she should be treated no differently than someone having their 15th child.

Do you think her OBGYN knew of it? That is, if she had/has one.

That's the type of thing that is relatively important to her OBGYN to know.

[angrymissy]

Do you think her OBGYN knew of it? That is, if she had/has one.

That's the type of thing that is relatively important to her OBGYN to know.

Her OB/GYN would only know if she told her.

[JohnCharles]

Her OB/GYN would only know if she told her.

Or, if she had her yearly examination. It's not undetectable.

[Dude!]

Someday we'll have a Supreme Court that will kick Dude! to death.

that would be a supreme court
made up of slow-learners
who took 15 years
to get through college

like you

[angrymissy]

Or, if she had her yearly examination. It's not undetectable.

Um, yes it is. Why do you think it would be detectable?

I'm not sure what you think happens after an abortion... you're not branded with a scarlet letter and it's not detectable even with an ultrasound after the fact unless you had complications.

[Ritalin]

Clearly, using abortion as birth control is insane. There's definitely something mentally wrong with her.

I agree with you that she's mentally disturbed in
some way, so in that sense I don't get why we're all rearguing our positions on abortion in this thread. Onviously what this woman is doing is disturbing, don't we all agree?

I have to say this though - and I'm pro choice: abortion is, technically, a form
of birth control in the strictest sense of the phrase. I don't agree with
extrapolating that to mean that people are casual about abortion.

[JohnCharles]

Um, yes it is.

I'm not sure what you think happens after an abortion... you're not branded with a scarlet letter and it's not detectable even with an ultrasound after the fact unless you had complications.

Fine.

I'm done in here.

Please do not assume that I am just some dummy who doesn't understand medical procedures or have never had experience with the one at hand.

[angrymissy]

Fine.

I'm done in here.

Please do not assume that I am just some dummy who doesn't understand medical procedures or have never had experience with the one at hand.

I'm not calling you a dummy, but the fact is, you cannot detect that a woman has had an abortion through a routine gynecological exam.

By your name, I'm assuming you're a guy, so you wouldn't really have first hand knowledge about what happens during an abortion or what happens during a routine gynecological exam.

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't. Neither do you.

But somehow, this story became public.

Now that it is, it's fair game to ask these questions.

If I'm eating too much red meat, my doctor warns me against it. She's had 15 avoidable major medical procedures and you think its likely that her doctor (if he/she had knowledge) wouldn't take it seriously? I find that incredibly unlikely.

[underdog]

I can't wait until it comes out that this woman is lying and is actually a pro-lifer just trying to make abortion and women look terrible.

[Dude!]

I can't wait until it comes out that this woman is lying and is actually a pro-lifer just trying to make abortion and women look terrible.

like you make all fat people
look terrible

[west milly Tom]

There is a big difference between child and fetus.



Not really. No matter how you view it one indisputable fact is that it is an unborn child.

[underdog]

like you make all fat people
look terrible

Damn right.

Not really. No matter how you view it one indisputable fact is that it is an unborn child.

Following that logic, a sperm is basically an unborn child as well.

[west milly Tom]

Damn right.



Following that logic, a sperm is basically an unborn child as well.



It has not yet fertilized the egg. You're not fooling anyone with your non-logic.

[underdog]

It has not yet fertilized the egg. You're not fooling anyone with your non-logic.

But it could! You're ruined that possible child's chance on a life! By spilling seed, you're basically killing thousands of babies.

[Furtherman]

I can't wait until it comes out that this woman is lying and is actually a pro-lifer just trying to make abortion and women look terrible.

I can't wait until it comes out that this woman is lying and actually had 15 kids who are currently hiding up in the attic in 15 boxes.

[foodcourtdruide]

It has not yet fertilized the egg. You're not fooling anyone with your non-logic.

Why is it fair to say a child becomes a child when the egg is fertalized and not at sperm? How do you make the distinction?

[A.J.]

But it could! You're ruined that possible child's chance on a life! By spilling seed, you're basically killing thousands of babies.

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[Ritalin]

It has not yet fertilized the egg. You're not fooling anyone with your non-logic.

WMT, I'm honestly not going to debate abortion with you, because we don't agree and that's fine with
me. I want to have a back and forth about IVF. If you believe that life starts at fertilization, then you must be anti-IVF, because that procedure will, far
more likely than not result in a destroyed fertilized egg(s), either through selective reduction or some kind of common
complication.

What are your feelings on that? I'm asking you repectfully.

[angrymissy]

It has not yet fertilized the egg. You're not fooling anyone with your non-logic.

Then anyone using an IUD or Birth Control Pills is possibly killing an "unborn child" as well.

Then this:

http://www.brown.edu/Courses/BI0032/gentherp/pronucl.jpg

is an unborn child.

It's a "potential child".

[west milly Tom]

WMT, I'm honestly not going to debate abortion with you, because we don't agree and that's fine with
me. I want to have a back and forth about IVF. If you believe that life starts at fertilization, then you must be anti-IVF, because that procedure will, far
more likely than not result in a destroyed fertilized egg(s), either through selective reduction or some kind of common
complication.

What are your feelings on that? I'm asking you repectfully.

I believe that IVF is an excellent tool help people who wouldn't otherwise be able to conceive. What I think jives between science and faith here is to o ly fertilize eggs that will definitely be implanted.

[epo]

some day we'll have a supreme court
that will overturn roe v. wade


That day has long passed.

[west milly Tom]

Then anyone using an IUD or Birth Control Pills is possibly killing an "unborn child" as well.

Then this:

http://www.brown.edu/Courses/BI0032/gentherp/pronucl.jpg

is an unborn child.

It's a "potential child".



Miss this is a moot debate with you. I don't judge you as that certainly isn't my job. Tell yourself whatever you need to sleep at night.

[west milly Tom]

That day has long passed.



Says who? The debate now is more fired up than ever. What may happen is States rights may be restored in a case I'm which they were grossly eroded.

[angrymissy]

Restricting abortion by State will not reduce the number of abortions, it will increase the number of late term abortions due to people having to raise funds for travel.

[Ritalin]

I believe that IVF is an excellent tool help people who wouldn't otherwise be able to conceive. What I think jives between science and faith here is to o ly fertilize eggs that will definitely be implanted.

I agree that it is consistent with your beliefs to limit the eggs being fertilized to the exact number that doctor and patient intend to implant and carry to term.

But that's not what's happening right now, at all. Due to cost and in order to increase the odds of success, eggs are being fertilized and frozen - where there is no guarantee that they won't be destroyed - and multiple eggs are implanted with the intent of selectively reducing their number once the implantation process is completed.

If you're drawing your line where life starts at the moment of fertilization, then IVF, as currently practiced and regulated, isn't an excellent tool at all. It's inexact, inefficient and subjects fertilized eggs to a numbers game.

I don't have the numbers - I don't know if anyone does - but I wonder if there are more fertilized eggs destroyed in this country by IVF or by abortion.

[Fallon]

New reality show: Irene Minus 15

[underdog]

I believe that IVF is an excellent tool help people who wouldn't otherwise be able to conceive. What I think jives between science and faith here is to o ly fertilize eggs that will definitely be implanted.

Tell yourself whatever you need to sleep at night.

[angrymissy]

I agree that it is consistent with your beliefs to limit the eggs being fertilized to the exact number that doctor and patient intend to implant and carry to term.

But that's not what's happening right now, at all. Due to cost and in order to increase the odds of success, eggs are being fertilized and frozen - where there is no guarantee that they won't be destroyed - and multiple eggs are implanted with the intent of selectively reducing their number once the implantation process is completed.

If you're drawing your line where life starts at the moment of fertilization, then IVF, as currently practiced and regulated, isn't an excellent tool at all. It's inexact, inefficient and subjects fertilized eggs to a numbers game.

I don't have the numbers - I don't know if anyone does - but I wonder if there are more fertilized eggs destroyed in this country by IVF or by abortion.

http://www.bioedge.org/index.php/bioethics/bioethics_article/8552/

Only 5% of embryos created via IVF actually result in live births.

[Dude!]

i am all for the 115 girls
at Paul Robeson High School in Chicago
getting abortions


http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Robeson.High.School.2.1251642.html

[A.J.]

i am all for the 115 girls
at Paul Robeson High School in Chicago
getting abortions


http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Robeson.High.School.2.1251642.html

"Just cause you have a baby, that doesn't mean your life is over," one student said.

Right.

[underdog]

New reality show: Irene Minus 15

:lol:

[underdog]

http://www.bioedge.org/index.php/bioethics/bioethics_article/8552/

Only 5% of embryos created via IVF actually result in live births.

Personally, I feel if GOD decided he wanted your womb to be barren, then it's his plan and trying to mess with it means you're a tool of the devil.

[Ritalin]

http://www.bioedge.org/index.php/bioethics/bioethics_article/8552/

Only 5% of embryos created via IVF actually result in live births.

Interesting, but that article is a little skewed because it's counting embryos that were never viable.

For the "fertilized egg is life" group that shouldn't matter because there's never room for a discussion of viability, so in that discussion the 5% counts. You would think you'd see pickets outside of IVF clinics given those numbers. A life is a life, right?

But I'd like to see the number of embryos/cytoplasts/eggs that were deemed viable that get lost in the average IVF procedure. I have a hunch that number is still larger than the number of abortions in the US per year.

[vjr97]

her pussy must be real sweet!! men cant stop comming in her

[biggirl]

the last thing I am going to say on the subject is I would have a hard time aborting something(someone) that has a heartbeat...that's all. I saw my child's heartbeat very early on because they thought I was miscarrying...somewhere around 6-8 weeks. It was the most amazing thing I have ever seen.

And if you are a strong enough person to have an abortion how come you can't be strong enough to carry through with the pregnancy that you created by having sex...and if you don't want the child...give him/her to someone who does.

That's all.

[underdog]

And if you are a strong enough person to have an abortion how come you can't be strong enough to carry through with the pregnancy that you created by having sex...and if you don't want the child...give him/her to someone who does.

I know I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm going to guess that giving something that fell out of your vag to some stranger is much harder than getting an abortion.

[biggirl]

I know I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm going to guess that giving something that fell out of your vag to some stranger is much harder than getting an abortion.

it depends on the person. I know people on both sides. The ones that have had the abortions all regret it....the ones that gave up their baby do not regret it.

Doesn't really matter...everyone has their own opinions. I used to believe in abortion until I had my own kids. Now I don't. That's all.

[angrymissy]

it depends on the person. I know people on both sides. The ones that have had the abortions all regret it....the ones that gave up their baby do not regret it.

Doesn't really matter...everyone has their own opinions. I used to believe in abortion until I had my own kids. Now I don't. That's all.

I don't regret my abortion one bit. Neither do plenty of women. Of course, some people demonize women who aren't regretful but we are plentiful.

www.imnotsorry.net

It's not as simple as just carrying a baby to term and giving it away. There are not parents waiting for every baby.

I volunteered at a clinic and the youngest girl I saw come in was 12. I cannot fathom anyone thinking that she should have had to carry to term.

(btw - she got screamed at crossing the protest lines)

[biggirl]

I don't regret my abortion one bit. Neither do plenty of women. Of course, some people demonize women who aren't regretful but we are plentiful.

www.imnotsorry.net

It's not as simple as just carrying a baby to term and giving it away. There are not parents waiting for every baby.

I volunteered at a clinic and the youngest girl I saw come in was 12. I cannot fathom anyone thinking that she should have had to carry to term.

(btw - she got screamed at crossing the protest lines)

I would beg to differ on this point...

But I completely understand your point of view. I don't want to argue with anyone either. I just have come from a family that had many fertility issues and was grateful that I could conceive.

[TheMojoPin]

I would beg to differ on this point...

It's sadly true, and it often comes down to racial preferences.

[Farmer Dave]

I'm not calling you a dummy, but the fact is, you cannot detect that a woman has had an abortion through a routine gynecological exam.

By your name, I'm assuming you're a guy, so you wouldn't really have first hand knowledge about what happens during an abortion or what happens during a routine gynecological exam.

I can't wait until it comes out that this woman is lying and actually had 15 kids who are currently hiding up in the attic in 15 boxes.
That made me laugh.
I don't regret my abortion one bit. Neither do plenty of women. Of course, some people demonize women who aren't regretful but we are plentiful.

www.imnotsorry.net

It's not as simple as just carrying a baby to term and giving it away. There are not parents waiting for every baby.

I volunteered at a clinic and the youngest girl I saw come in was 12. I cannot fathom anyone thinking that she should have had to carry to term.

(btw - she got screamed at crossing the protest lines)

Now I get the 'angry' in angrymissy.

[fezident]

I don't think she sounds "angry" at all. Were you being sarcastic?

[K.C.]

good girl.

[red_red_red]

i am so glad you people don't have a say over this woman's body. Maybe in your next life you'll get to play "god" and be able to get pregnant, until then, shut the fuck up.

[west milly Tom]

Imnotsorry.net hurts on a very awkward level.

i am so glad you people don't have a say over this woman's body. Maybe in your next life you'll get to play "god" and be able to get pregnant, until then, shut the fuck up.



No matter how you look at it this woman made some really awful choices.

[sailor]

Some day we'll have a supreme court who will rule for forced sterilization.

you're 82 years too late (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell).

(hope no one else mentioned that one yet.)