2010 New York Mets Season Discussion

[cougarjake13]

Was really unsure to even start this abortion but oh well



REYES ... what do we do here ??

when healthy he's awesome and sets up nicely for the bats behind him but thats one of his problems, and we all remember the new base running style debacle

his trade value has got to be at an all time low so you really cant go that route



DELGADO

pretty sure his contract is done, just let him go




i would love to get rid of castillo if at all possible, and upgrade at catcher, at this point i'd seriously enterain trading beltran


pitching wise were okay with santana, pelfrey and maine ... question marks abound after that although neise looked decent

[dino_electropolis]

Was really unsure to even start this abortion but oh well



REYES ... what do we do here ??

when healthy he's awesome and sets up nicely for the bats behind him but thats one of his problems, and we all remember the new base running style debacle

his trade value has got to be at an all time low so you really cant go that route



DELGADO

pretty sure his contract is done, just let him go




i would love to get rid of castillo if at all possible, and upgrade at catcher, at this point i'd seriously enterain trading beltran


pitching wise were okay with santana, pelfrey and maine ... question marks abound after that although neise looked decent

As for Reyes, he has to stay. Huge asset with many tools and i really dont think he's as injury prone as we are led to believe. (in fact, i think after delgado and beltran went down, they shut down the season and Reyes was benched for the remainder of the season to get his ego/attitude in check,hyping up a minor injury into something bigger...kinda just a reminder to him who signs his checks.....what better way to get to a celebutante like Reyes than bringing his value down?)

Delgado, i love him, but i'd rather see Olerud back.

Castillo will always be the clown who dropped that pop up. Tough, i know, but thats just me.

Beltran is probably undervalued right now. Hes gonna need a big season in 2010. And if he gets it, we're gold.

Pitchin is solid.

.....all we really need is Bobby V.

[zildjian361]

its over :bye:

[newport king]

i really dont think he's as injury prone as we are led to believe.



really? since he came up in 03 hes been on the DL 3 out of his six seasons.

Pitchin is solid.


what? santana hasnt made us any better since we got him. down year for pelfrey, perez sucks a pile of dicks, maine, who knows.

We have an ace and 3 number 4 starters.

[asayresk]

Carl Crawford would be a nice pick up. Is he a free agent?

[razorboy]

Carl Crawford would be a nice pick up. Is he a free agent?

No. He has a team option year.

He has also publicly stated that he has no interest in playing for the Mets.




Ever.

[TheMojoPin]

(in fact, i think after delgado and beltran went down, they shut down the season and Reyes was benched for the remainder of the season to get his ego/attitude in check,hyping up a minor injury into something bigger...kinda just a reminder to him who signs his checks.....what better way to get to a celebutante like Reyes than bringing his value down?)

I know the Mets are often a terribly run organization, but this theory is not even remotely realistic. No team, not mater how shitty they are, would intentionally bench a critical player for the bulk of a season simply for an attitude adjustment. Players get benched for personality issues, but not for that long. Players that are convicted of crimes don't even get benched for that long.

[cougarjake13]

would another terrible year be enough to get minaya fired ??

[foodcourtdruide]

would another terrible year be enough to get minaya fired ??

100% yes. I know the media likes to pretend there's some grand CT with the Mets and Wilpon is in love with Minaya, however another dreadful season will start to seriously impact the Mets bottom line for quite some time.

[K.C.]

Well, here's the thing.

The Mets have no prospects to trade, and the free agent market is pretty weak.

They may get a crack at Boston's leftover, after they decide whether they want Holliday or Bay, but that's about it.

2010 will be mostly an evaluation year. They'll try and get the core healthy and playing together. If they're in it, they may add a small piece or two around the deadline. If not, they should really look at making a couple retooling type trades to get some young talent back in the system.

If they're healthy, the Mets are a 85-88 win team as presently constituted. That's enough to contend for the Wild Card.

[MC Pee Pants]

I heard something about Prince Fielder.

[Kevin]

I heard something about Prince Fielder.

He is fat?

[cougarjake13]

Well, here's the thing.

The Mets have no prospects to trade, and the free agent market is pretty weak.

They may get a crack at Boston's leftover, after they decide whether they want Holliday or Bay, but that's about it.

2010 will be mostly an evaluation year. They'll try and get the core healthy and playing together. If they're in it, they may add a small piece or two around the deadline. If not, they should really look at making a couple retooling type trades to get some young talent back in the system.

If they're healthy, the Mets are a 85-88 win team as presently constituted. That's enough to contend for the Wild Card.


a couple moves may move us into wild card contention but unless tradegy occurs in philly, they have a lock on the division for at least the next few years

and should they make the playoffs, i dont see them getting past philly in the nlcs



so what would be a better strategy, a few minor moves to become a big market colorado rockies ?? or make several moves that hurt in short run but could reap benefits once the current phillies juggernaut phases out ??

[Marc with a c]

a couple moves may move us into wild card contention but unless tradegy occurs in philly, they have a lock on the division for at least the next few years

florida and the braves will be pretty good for the next few years.

[cougarjake13]

florida and the braves will be pretty good for the next few years.

true but if we wanted to we prob could out spend a lil to be better than them but ultimately what would be the point

[epo]

I heard something about Prince Fielder.

Keep dreaming. The Mets don't have nearly enough to acquire him.

[K.C.]

No Daniel Murphy for Prince Fielder swap?

I heard it on WFAN, it must be a realistic possibility.

[MC Pee Pants]

Seriously, I heard on the radio that the Brewers were looking to get rid of Fielder cuz they couldn't afford him. I'd like him a lot on this team.

[Marc with a c]

murphy, parnell, martinez, holt, davis, thole, and pelfrey couldn't get fielder.

[TheGameHHH]

florida and the braves will be pretty good for the next few years.

i dont think you can say anything certain about florida in terms of the next few years. they could sell off their team tomorrow.

[TheMojoPin]

Why trade for Fielder? There's no chance he's resigning with the Brewers. Just wait until he walks.

[foodcourtdruide]

Why trade for Fielder? There's no chance he's resigning with the Brewers. Just wait until he walks.

Another team may have a chance to sign him since the Yankees have Tex already.

[Marc with a c]

Another team may have a chance to sign him since the Yankees have Tex already.

dh

[foodcourtdruide]

dh

That will be extremely depressing

[epo]

Seriously, I heard on the radio that the Brewers were looking to get rid of Fielder cuz they couldn't afford him. I'd like him a lot on this team.

The earliest they'll move him is at the end of 2010. At that point expect a Johan Santana-ish package as the beginning negotiating point.

[TheMojoPin]

The earliest they'll move him is at the end of 2010. At that point expect a Johan Santana-ish package as the beginning negotiating point.

You'll get a box of slide wax and like it.

[CruelCircus]

To reiterate my new Facebook status:
I hope Minaya and the Wilpon's watched John Lackey tonight.

I'd love to see a gamer like that slid in behind Santana.

[razorboy]

I'd love to see a gamer like that slid in behind Santana.

I bet you would, you sick prick.

[TheGameHHH]

To reiterate my new Facebook status:
I hope Minaya and the Wilpon's watched John Lackey tonight.

I'd love to see a gamer like that ahead of Santana.

fixed that for you

[MC Pee Pants]

To reiterate my new Facebook status:
I hope Minaya and the Wilpon's watched John Lackey tonight.

I'd love to see a gamer like that slid in behind Santana.

I heard he wants to go to Texas. I dont if they could pay him what he wants but I believer he's from texas so he might give them a discount. I agree with him and Santana sliding around on each other though....I'd like to see it.

I agree the Mets should try to wait on Fielder, mostly cuz they dont have dick to trade for him. If the Yankees do somehow get him I'll stop watching baseball.

[cougarjake13]

i dont think you can say anything certain about florida in terms of the next few years. they could sell off their team tomorrow.




true but i dont think any of their players cept for hanley makes any money

[foodcourtdruide]

fixed that for you

If you had a pitching rotation with Santana and Lackey, you'd put Lackey ahead of Santana? Are you kidding?

[TheGameHHH]

If you had a pitching rotation with Santana and Lackey, you'd put Lackey ahead of Santana? Are you kidding?

when Santana's elbow falls off next season you'll see i was right

[BoondockSaint]

Lackey!

[foodcourtdruide]

when Santana's elbow falls off next season you'll see i was right

Did you have a Flashforward or something? :)

[TheGameHHH]

Did you have a Flashforward or something? :)

i dont like talking about my special powers in public, lets just say i have a feeling

[epo]

I heard he wants to go to Texas. I dont if they could pay him what he wants but I believer he's from texas so he might give them a discount. I agree with him and Santana sliding around on each other though....I'd like to see it.

I agree the Mets should try to wait on Fielder, mostly cuz they dont have dick to trade for him. If the Yankees do somehow get him I'll stop watching baseball.

If that's the only route Mets fans see to rebuild their team, then you need to fire Minaya right now and rebuild your entire system.

[MC Pee Pants]

wow. lets not all go nuts.

[K.C.]

The Mets are in a very dangerous spot right now, because they're not on the same level as the Phillies or Braves, and don't really have a formula for getting there.

No one they sign is going to fix the situation, so if I'm a forward thinking Mets fan, I almost hope they do nothing.

Then you dump Reyes and Beltran at the deadline if you're out of it to restock the farm and clear a ton of money off the books....keep Wright, keep Santana, keep K-Rod.

Then with all the money you have, you take a run at Carl Crawford and Cliff Lee in free agency in 2011.

With the influx of prospects from dealing Reyes and Beltran, you flip some to the Padres for Adrian Gonzalez and extend him.

You guys shouldn't want to see Bay signed to a five year deal or so...that's a bad move.

[CruelCircus]

Everyone seems to be forgetting that the Mets were in first place in late May, before the injuries started to take their toll. This team, if fully healthy, can be very good.

Now, I'm not saying they're a shoe-in, or a lock, but the assumption that so many are making that they'll be battling the Nationals is simply not accurate.

If they add Bay/Holliday, Molina, and a #2 starter- as seems to be the plan right now- combined with the stars they already have, they're going to be able to compete for the division.

[K.C.]

Everyone seems to be forgetting that the Mets were in first place in late May, before the injuries started to take their toll. This team, if fully healthy, can be very good.

Now, I'm not saying they're a shoe-in, or a lock, but the assumption that so many are making that they'll be battling the Nationals is simply not accurate.

If they add Bay/Holliday, Molina, and a #2 starter- as seems to be the plan right now- combined with the stars they already have, they're going to be able to compete for the division.

There's no #2 starter to be had on the market right now, and their rotation is questionable at best....Pelfrey took a big step back, Maine is a HUGE question mark, and Ollie is...well....

They also have nothing to trade to get anything of value.

So they might sign someone like Joel Pineiro or Vicente Padilla, but that's about the best of what's left, and that's not very good.

Now, you have three productive offensive players (Beltran, Reyes, Wright) and if Castillo can duplicate last year, he's ok.

If they sign one of the top two OFs, and Molina, that stabilizes the offense, but it's still not as good as the Phillies, and still not good enough to handle the pitching the Braves will throw consistently all year.

And pitching wise, there's nothing they can really do except pray for the rotation. Even the bullpen is somewhat questionable with the middle relief at this point.

There's a lot of holes to fill, and they have to do it in the face of competing with the best offense in the NL (Phillies) and the best pitching in the NL (Braves).

It's a tough road. The Mets can be like an 84-85 win team if everything goes right, but I don't think that's enough to get them anywhere.

[CruelCircus]

Marquis is out there, too. I like Maine- it's Ollie I'm really scared of.

I think you may be overstating the Braves pitching.
The Mets would have four potential all-stars on offense. Add in Molina and Franceour and there's a lot there. They'll be able to hit the Braves.

The Phillies offense is going to remain a problem for Mets pitching; you're right about that.

[hexy68]

Ahhh!!...The Mets are trying to make a trade!! How Cute!!!!.....Look at what my Phils did!

[lleeder]

They could always buy a Ryan Howard Voo-doo doll. It worked for the Yankees this year in the playoffs.

[epo]

So are the Mets finally gonna give up and trade John Maine to Milwaukee?

[hexy68]

They could always buy a Ryan Howard Voo-doo doll. It worked for the Yankees this year in the playoffs.

I'd rather have Ryan Howard then 75% of the Mets roster!...BTW I do really like David Wright!!

[hammersavage]

why don't you all calm down. we just signed Ryota Igarashi. game over, bitches.



my gameplan: sign Bay to 4 years with a club option, Marquis for 3 years, Molina for 2, sign Mark Derosa.

bottom line is that they will not win the east next year. even when healthy, the Phillies are just better. but after this season, they will trade Reyes and possibly Beltran, hopefully for ready to play talent. then compete in 2011 with FMart, Neise, Thole, Ike Davis and others and go from there.

[foodcourtdruide]

why don't you all calm down. we just signed Ryota Igarashi. game over, bitches.



my gameplan: sign Bay to 4 years with a club option, Marquis for 3 years, Molina for 2, sign Mark Derosa.

bottom line is that they will not win the east next year. even when healthy, the Phillies are just better. but after this season, they will trade Reyes and possibly Beltran, hopefully for ready to play talent. then compete in 2011 with FMart, Neise, Thole, Ike Davis and others and go from there.

I haven't herad much about Nick Johnson. I'd actually love for the Mets to sign him and trade D. Murphy to fill their catching hole.

Igarashi's numbers are actually impressive. He's two years removed from Tommy John surgery, but he's been pitching really well in Japan. I think the Mets made a great move getting him.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

it seems like my Carlos Delgado Jersey T Shirt will still be relevant in 2010

boooooooooooooo..........


good to see we signed the Japanese Aaron Heilman ( I keed)

Okajima has been quite the set up man for Boston Hope we find the same success...


Marquis may be a good signing, but he is known to hangout with the Jersey Shore types in Staten Island, I know most of his High School friends, they are 30 yr old plus people with Houses at the shore...


Also he was a big Yankees Fan who hated and made fun of the Mets....

On the selfish side , I can maybe score some tickets and autographs, since my pops and Jason's pop are still very close and speak often

[PD]

why don't you all calm down. we just signed Ryota Igarashi. game over, bitches.


my gameplan: sign Bay to 4 years with a club option, Marquis for 3 years, Molina for 2, sign Mark Derosa.

bottom line is that they will not win the east next year. even when healthy, the Phillies are just better. but after this season, they will trade Reyes and possibly Beltran, hopefully for ready to play talent. then compete in 2011 with FMart, Neise, Thole, Ike Davis and others and go from there.

they won't trade Reyes, wright or beltran.

The Phillies are the class of the league, but I don't get all the Braves love. They may be a wild card team, but they haven't proven it yet.

Yes, the Mets don'thave a #2 guy yet, but Cole Hammels regressed last year as well. It is not inconceivable Pelfrey returns to be a #2 type guy. I would have preferred Lackey, but that ship sailed- and better to wait for 2011 FA than over pay for one in 2010.

Sign Bay. I like Holliday better, but Bay for 4 yrs probably makes more sense than Holliday for 8. Sign Sheets or Bedard and either sign a Garland/Marquis or trade for an overpriced/Salary dump pitcher like Bronson Arroyo or Gil Meche.

Unless you can somehow steal A Gonzalez, you live with Murphy at 1b for a year- maybe add a Derosa or X Nady to platoon with him. They shouldnt sign Delgado unless its a huge incentive laden deal.

Catcher- I am no big Molina fan, but if 2 years, ok. If he insists on 3 yrs, get a cheaper guy (Torrealba/Barajas) or just play Omir and Blanco and hope Thole keeps developing.

I'd guess now a 2nd or 3rd place team, but I do think this team still has enough core players to be competitive with the Phils if Philly regresses a bit (ie- if division winner only wins 91 games)

[K.C.]

The reason people like the Braves is the pitching:
-Vazquez had a ridiculously good year last year.
-Tommy Hanson may be the best young pitcher in baseball and was easily the best rookie pitcher last year (sorry J.A. Happ).
-Jurrjens is a work horse who posted a 2.60 ERA and two very solid seasons in a row.
-Hudson's one of the winningest pitchers of the last decade and is back, completely healthy.

And they either keep Derek Lowe, who's one of the most durable pitchers, even if he had an off year last season, or Kawakami, who posted an under-4 ERA as a #5 starter.

1 through 5, they're stacked with starting pitching.

They also added Wagner and Saito to their back end which is an upgrade over Soriano and Gonzalez.

[foodcourtdruide]

The reason people like the Braves is the pitching:
-Vazquez had a ridiculously good year last year.
-Tommy Hanson may be the best young pitcher in baseball and was easily the best rookie pitcher last year (sorry J.A. Happ).
-Jurrjens is a work horse who posted a 2.60 ERA and two very solid seasons in a row.
-Hudson's one of the winningest pitchers of the last decade and is back, completely healthy.

And they either keep Derek Lowe, who's one of the most durable pitchers, even if he had an off year last season, or Kawakami, who posted an under-4 ERA as a #5 starter.

1 through 5, they're stacked with starting pitching.

They also added Wagner and Saito to their back end which is an upgrade over Soriano and Gonzalez.

I agree with you. I like the Braves a lot. The NL East has the potential to be outstanding this year.

[hammersavage]

Mets will sign Jason Bay, according to WFAN’s Mike Francesa.

Why he knows and why they aren't announcing it, I don't know.

4 years, 16.5 average per assuming all goes well with physical.

[PD]

Mets will sign Jason Bay, according to WFAN’s Mike Francesa.

Why he knows and why they aren't announcing it, I don't know.

4 years, 16.5 average per assuming all goes well with physical.

I'm shocked that he was able to keep this "secret" since yesterday, but SI.com John Heyman and NY Post Joel Sherman confirming.

Everyone says Bay is still pending the Physical, and according to Sherman, that physical isn't a formality.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/wfan_mets_will_sign_bay_next_week_EZJDu59M8MW7pDw3 xkjTUL

1050 ESPN also saying that Molina is backing off the 3rd year, and that a 2 yr guarantee is soon to be agreed to.

[TheGameHHH]

I'm shocked that he was able to keep this "secret" since yesterday, but SI.com John Heyman and NY Post Joel Sherman confirming.

Everyone says Bay is still pending the Physical, and according to Sherman, that physical isn't a formality.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/wfan_mets_will_sign_bay_next_week_EZJDu59M8MW7pDw3 xkjTUL

1050 ESPN also saying that Molina is backing off the 3rd year, and that a 2 yr guarantee is soon to be agreed to.

guess who just signed their way off my fantasy keeper team?

[K.C.]

So he goes from the Red Sox to the Mets for roughly 6 million more guaranteed over the life of the contract...I'd be curious to see how the vesting option for the fifth year is structured.

All in all, the Mets needed an outfielder desperately and they didn't really overpay for him, but there's a few red flags with him and Citi Field....he doesn't hit a ton of extra base hits, he doesn't have particularly great speed or defense, and you have to expect a power dip from last season.

If he goes .260-.270, 20-25 HR, 85-90 RBI for the Mets, it'll work out...but it'll be interesting to see how his power plays there.

[PD]

So he goes from the Red Sox to the Mets for roughly 6 million more guaranteed over the life of the contract...I'd be curious to see how the vesting option for the fifth year is structured.

All in all, the Mets needed an outfielder desperately and they didn't really overpay for him, but there's a few red flags with him and Citi Field....he doesn't hit a ton of extra base hits, he doesn't have particularly great speed or defense, and you have to expect a power dip from last season.

If he goes .260-.270, 20-25 HR, 85-90 RBI for the Mets, it'll work out...but it'll be interesting to see how his power plays there.
the citifield factor is over played. He hit fine in Pittsburgh, and LF isn't so close there; also there were plenty of visiting players able to hit HRs in Citifield. The defense is more of an issue. I think the vesting is supposedly very attainable based on AB's - but unless the injury thing is a real thing, I think he will be fine.

as for Bay and the Redsox, yes, he overplayed his hand- but he will be fine. It's not Pujols, but its what the team needed- considering how what FA's were available, and the opinion of the Mets farm system.

Team still is behind the Phils most likely, but they now look like if Reyes and Beltran are back to normal, and one or more of the starters return to 2007/2008 level, team will be competitive for wild card.

[sailor]

Apparently bay isn't in condition to pass the mets physical so they're waiting till he is.

[cougarjake13]

im happy the mets got him but he's not enough for me to delusionally think we have a shot at anything



baring any major injuries its gonna be red sawx - yankees winner vs philly in the world series


with all the moves those 3 teams have made so far its made me not even care that baseball is forthcoming

[PD]

baring any major injuries its gonna be red sawx - yankees winner vs philly in the world series

with all the moves those 3 teams have made so far its made me not even care that baseball is forthcoming

Phils still the class of the NL east, but I don't think they've improved much for this season.
Halladay > Lee, but I think that was more about the future (ie - resigning him).
I think they will regret Polanco at 3b.

I think the NL is pretty much open- and unless Hammels gets back to being dominating, even if the Phils take the division it's no lock they advance.

oh and write it down- Ibanez returns to normal next year.

[PD]

Its always fun to be a Met fan.

Carlos Beltran out 12 weeks after knee surgery (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/beltran_undergoes_knee_surgery_zsotgQ2bAsF8OARZHB8 llI)

:wacko:

[foodcourtdruide]

Its always fun to be a Met fan.

Carlos Beltran out 12 weeks after knee surgery (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/beltran_undergoes_knee_surgery_zsotgQ2bAsF8OARZHB8 llI)

:wacko:

There was a rumor that it was actually microfracture surgery, which would make Beltran be out a lot longer. The Mets are not sure, becuase they did not CONSENT TO THE SURGERY.

Is it possible to be looking forward to football season, WHILE football season is going on?

[cougarjake13]

Phils still the class of the NL east, but I don't think they've improved much for this season.
Halladay > Lee, but I think that was more about the future (ie - resigning him).
I think they will regret Polanco at 3b.

I think the NL is pretty much open- and unless Hammels gets back to being dominating, even if the Phils take the division it's no lock they advance.

oh and write it down- Ibanez returns to normal next year.


unless the dodgers get some pitching who else has a shot to beat the phillies

[cougarjake13]

Its always fun to be a Met fan.

Carlos Beltran out 12 weeks after knee surgery (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/beltran_undergoes_knee_surgery_zsotgQ2bAsF8OARZHB8 llI)

:wacko:




why the hell wait until now to get the surgery and not like 3 weeks after the season ended ?

[PD]

why the hell wait until now to get the surgery and not like 3 weeks after the season ended ?
Beltran's story is that it wasn't bothering him until he stepped it up recently in his work outs.

[K.C.]

unless the dodgers get some pitching who else has a shot to beat the phillies

NL Pennant #3 on the way.

Actually, the Cardinals, Dodgers, Braves, Giants and Rockies should all be in the mix. Any one of those teams could get hot down the stretch and ride their pitching strength.

I would feel comfortable saying that unless someone in the core goes down early and misses the season, the Phils are a pretty solid lock to win the NL East again.

But the playoffs are way too unpredictable...anyone can get hot down the stretch and win in a short series on strong pitching.

[hexy68]

Phillies will get a third straight NL Championship in 2010

[PD]

Phillies will get a third straight NL Championship in 2010
wrong thread.:bye:

[cougarjake13]

NL Pennant #3 on the way.

Actually, the Cardinals, Dodgers, Braves, Giants and Rockies should all be in the mix. Any one of those teams could get hot down the stretch and ride their pitching strength.

I would feel comfortable saying that unless someone in the core goes down early and misses the season, the Phils are a pretty solid lock to win the NL East again.

But the playoffs are way too unpredictable...anyone can get hot down the stretch and win in a short series on strong pitching.



exactly unless the entire phillies nine gets injury snakebit like the mets did, the phils are a lock for the east


dodgers and cardinals are the only viable threats i see at this time , things can change for some other teams but its really those 3 and yanks, sawx, and maybe angels in al

[PD]

exactly unless the entire phillies nine gets injury snakebit like the mets did, the phils are a lock for the east


dodgers and cardinals are the only viable threats i see at this time , things can change for some other teams but its really those 3 and yanks, sawx, and maybe angels in al
if we've learned anything, it's that you can't tell what teams will jump up and which will collapse.

Phils are prohibitive favorites, but it's a long way till next September.

As for the Mets, they simply can't let well enough alone. Their organization needs to be completely overhauled. They may win more than most think, but they still are incredibly dysfunctional and can't avoid the faux pas.

:wallbash:

[cougarjake13]

im at the point where i almost dont care and just gonna wait til the giants come back

[razorboy]

im at the point where i almost dont care and just gonna wait til the giants come back

I get the feeling they're going to stay in San Francisco.

[cougarjake13]

I get the feeling they're going to stay in San Francisco.

the baseball team yeh probably

[razorboy]

the baseball team yeh probably

I'm sure the football team would equally at home there.

[cougarjake13]

I'm sure the football team would equally at home there.

not at candlestick

[hammersavage]

Great, we got a total cancer. At least it was cheap. Ughh

[EddieMoscone]

Great, we got a total cancer. At least it was cheap. Ughh

Who really should be the 5th outfielder on this team. And we gave up a reliever who was pretty good at times last year...

[Ritalin]

Great, we got a total cancer. At least it was cheap. Ughh

You could have gotten Milton Bradley.

[foodcourtdruide]

Who really should be the 5th outfielder on this team. And we gave up a reliever who was pretty good at times last year...

Matthews will be competing with Pagan for 4th outfield spot. They'll both likely be on the bench when Beltran returns, unless one outperforms f-core. Stokes was whatever. Dime-a-dozen reliever.

[EddieMoscone]

Matthews will be competing with Pagan for 4th outfield spot. They'll both likely be on the bench when Beltran returns, unless one outperforms f-core. Stokes was whatever. Dime-a-dozen reliever.

I don't see him as competition. I can't see how Matthews is better than Pagan in any way. Both are switch hitters, so a platoon doesn't make sense. Pagan has him beat in every statistical category, including defensively.

[K.C.]

I don't see him as competition. I can't see how Matthews is better than Pagan in any way. Both are switch hitters, so a platoon doesn't make sense. Pagan has him beat in every statistical category, including defensively.

Well, you would think Matthews gives you more power, and he used to be a pretty good defender. He's declined steadily since 2006, but a lot of that could be the pressure of the steroid scandal after just signing that contract.

It's a low risk move with some decent upside. He's versatile in that he can play all three OF positions, and the biggest key in they're not really paying him more than an average bench player would make for the next two seasons.

I kind of think it was a creative move that could end up surprising a few people.

[foodcourtdruide]

Well, you would think Matthews gives you more power, and he used to be a pretty good defender. He's declined steadily since 2006, but a lot of that could be the pressure of the steroid scandal after just signing that contract.

It's a low risk move with some decent upside. He's versatile in that he can play all three OF positions, and the biggest key in they're not really paying him more than an average bench player would make for the next two seasons.

I kind of think it was a creative move that could end up surprising a few people.

I agree. It seems that everyone wanted low-risk high-reward type players on the Mets, and now that they're getting them people are complaining. Matthews is certainly that, along with Escobar and potentially Wang.

[oh_kee_pa]

so why not sign Randy Wynn?

and never trade a pitcher for a bat straight up... the only way this made sense was to get rid of Castillo, and it didnt happen...
I just want Orlando Hudson and I will be happy... why cant Omar make me happy

[EddieMoscone]

Well, you would think Matthews gives you more power, and he used to be a pretty good defender. He's declined steadily since 2006, but a lot of that could be the pressure of the steroid scandal after just signing that contract.

It's a low risk move with some decent upside. He's versatile in that he can play all three OF positions, and the biggest key in they're not really paying him more than an average bench player would make for the next two seasons.

I kind of think it was a creative move that could end up surprising a few people.

GMJ has 4 homers, 19 2B and 2 3B is a little over 300 AB last year (366 slugging %). Pagan had 6 HR, 22 2B and 11 3B (!!) is only about 30 more AB (487 Slugging %). Pagan showed more power last year in every catgory. Also, Matthews stole 4 bases, Pagan stole 14. He's 35, Pagan's 28.

Matthews' BEST year was 19 homers and 79 RBI, and that was in 2006. Those are not big power numbers.

There is no such thing as a low risk move, especially for the Mets. Bringing in someone with a questionable attitude into what is already a pretty fucked up environment is not going to help.

[cougarjake13]

GMJ has 4 homers, 19 2B and 2 3B is a little over 300 AB last year (366 slugging %). Pagan had 6 HR, 22 2B and 11 3B (!!) is only about 30 more AB (487 Slugging %). Pagan showed more power last year in every catgory. Also, Matthews stole 4 bases, Pagan stole 14. He's 35, Pagan's 28.

Matthews' BEST year was 19 homers and 79 RBI, and that was in 2006. Those are not big power numbers.

There is no such thing as a low risk move, especially for the Mets. Bringing in someone with a questionable attitude into what is already a pretty fucked up environment is not going to help.

and that big yr was after he roided up

[Papi_Met_87]

I've seen some pretty ignorant statements made here about MY NY Mets... Reyes can NOT be let go; He is our spark plug! Delgado should be resigned; He was doing just fine before the hip pain became too much. Beltran can't be Under valued because his absence became evident! Wright couldn't get things Right without those 3. Our starting pitching would've been fine IF Rick Peterson were still our pitching coach BUT he ISN'T...Go ahead take a chance with Ben Sheets; High Risk: the guy seems soft, but even Higher Reward: Can be a staff ace, great compliment to Johan Santana...Castillo however does need to go so why not; sign Damon until Beltran comes back and put both Castillo and Damon in a package for let's say a Francisco Liriano who would love to reunite with Santana...we do have Anderson Hernandez who can play a mean second base although his bat comes up absent...Our lineup if healthy packs a hell of a punch...but we NEED pitching! Thanks for reading and tell me what you think ;):banning:

[epo]

Thanks for Rick Peterson.

[hammersavage]

SOUNDS GREAT :thumbup:

[epo]

Did I hear right that the Mets are thinking about Ben Sheets?

[razorboy]

Reyes can NOT be let go; He is our spark plug!

Consistently failing, prone to misfiring, cheap and relatively easily replaceable?

True enough.

[Papi_Met_87]

Consistently failing, prone to misfiring, cheap and relatively easily replaceable?

True enough.

so riddle me this what ss not named derek jeter or jimmy rollins can replace 10 or more hrs 50 or more sbs electric attitude that other players feed off of and brings many fans out to queens ny???:sleep:

[Souter Fell]

Delgado should be resigned; He was doing just fine before the hip pain became too much. :

According to http://www.metsblog.com/2010/01/24/buzz-carlos-delgado-is-limping-at-first-base/, Delgado is limping, can't play a position day after day, and MAY work as a DH.

[Papi_Met_87]

According to http://www.metsblog.com/2010/01/24/buzz-carlos-delgado-is-limping-at-first-base/, Delgado is limping, can't play a position day after day, and MAY work as a DH.

well in that case how about a Hank Blalock he's been consistent

[razorboy]

so riddle me this what ss not named derek jeter or jimmy rollins can replace 10 or more hrs 50 or more sbs electric attitude that other players feed off of and brings many fans out to queens ny???:sleep:

Well, I'm not going to subscribe to those specific requirements, but I'd take H. and A. Ramirez, A. and Y. Escobar, A. and E. Cabrera and Jason Bartlett before either one.

[epo]

Well, I'm not going to subscribe to those specific requirements, but I'd take H. and A. Ramirez, A. and Y. Escobar, A. and E. Cabrera and Jason Bartlett before either one.

I'm very happy with A. Escobar over Reyes, thanks.

[Souter Fell]

The real problem with breaking up the core is that they are all undervalued right now. Reyes spend most of the year on the DL with calf and hamstring issues (not good when your biggest attribute is your wheels), Wright flat out under performed (understandable that he could hold up with carrying an entire team in the biggest market on his back) and Beltran, well, who knows when Beltran will be back. Two week injuries seem to lag with these teams.

Even Johan is starting to show signs of what happens when you're a barely six foot power pitcher. Not that I would advise moving him. Point is that all of the Mets' "positives" are negatives or at best neutrals right now giving them no leverage. I'd like to see them succeed but as of now, you're gonna need more than the addition of Jason Bay to convince me they ain't 4th in the division.

[PD]

T. I'd like to see them succeed but as of now, you're gonna need more than the addition of Jason Bay to convince me they ain't 4th in the division.
As huge a fan as I am, I'm not sure if they will be better than the 4th you predict.
the best I can say is they didn't do anything stupid, like give Molina a multi-year deal.

we will see what we see.

[PD]

depressing (For Met fans) but true article.

Mets' problems go deeper than GM Minaya (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/rosenthal-on-new-york-mets-omar-minaya-012610?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
:sad:

[K.C.]

depressing (For Met fans) but true article.

Mets' problems go deeper than GM Minaya (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/rosenthal-on-new-york-mets-omar-minaya-012610?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
:sad:

Honestly, the biggest issue with the Mets is player development and scouting. That's the real difference between them and the Phils.

People aren't wrong to say Reyes, Wright, and Beltran is a comparable core of players to Howard, Utley, and Rollins in terms of talent (although I'd take the latter three...the Mets core is still a pretty good one).

The issue is they don't develop players, and they don't have good scouts who find players who contribute.

The Phillies became the team they are because their scouting got it right on guys that essentially could be gotten for nothing when they were available, that have developed into big time role players.

Plus, they fed the MLB team with quality contributions from the minors every year.

The Mets gutted their farm system and never replenished it...it should be more appalling to Mets fans, because the great promise of the Omar regime was all the amateur free agents signings he would get out of the Caribbean.

And they just don't seem to ever hit on moves like the Phils did with Werth (minor league free agent) and Victorino (Rule 5 draft)....a portion of that is luck, but it also falls on the shoulder of the scouts, and by proximity, the player development people (ultimately the GM).

[foodcourtdruide]

Honestly, the biggest issue with the Mets is player development and scouting. That's the real difference between them and the Phils.

People aren't wrong to say Reyes, Wright, and Beltran is a comparable core of players to Howard, Utley, and Rollins in terms of talent (although I'd take the latter three...the Mets core is still a pretty good one).

The issue is they don't develop players, and they don't have good scouts who find players who contribute.

The Phillies became the team they are because their scouting got it right on guys that essentially could be gotten for nothing when they were available, that have developed into big time role players.

Plus, they fed the MLB team with quality contributions from the minors every year.

The Mets gutted their farm system and never replenished it...it should be more appalling to Mets fans, because the great promise of the Omar regime was all the amateur free agents signings he would get out of the Caribbean.

And they just don't seem to ever hit on moves like the Phils did with Werth (minor league free agent) and Victorino (Rule 5 draft)....a portion of that is luck, but it also falls on the shoulder of the scouts, and by proximity, the player development people (ultimately the GM).

I agree with all of this, except maybe that I like our 3 more than your 3 :)

Also, the difference between Castillo and a minor league 2B is, and has always been about 15 singles. I think Omar just doesn't get this, as he's overpaid for mediocraty quite a few times (Castillo, Perez, Cora, Redding).

[cougarjake13]

the mets have developed (wright, reyes,) only problem is they seemed to have stopped since them

[PD]

Honestly, the biggest issue with the Mets is player development and scouting. That's the real difference between them and the Phils.

People aren't wrong to say Reyes, Wright, and Beltran is a comparable core of players to Howard, Utley, and Rollins in terms of talent (although I'd take the latter three...the Mets core is still a pretty good one).

The issue is they don't develop players, and they don't have good scouts who find players who contribute.

The Phillies became the team they are because their scouting got it right on guys that essentially could be gotten for nothing when they were available, that have developed into big time role players.

Plus, they fed the MLB team with quality contributions from the minors every year.

The Mets gutted their farm system and never replenished it...it should be more appalling to Mets fans, because the great promise of the Omar regime was all the amateur free agents signings he would get out of the Caribbean.

And they just don't seem to ever hit on moves like the Phils did with Werth (minor league free agent) and Victorino (Rule 5 draft)....a portion of that is luck, but it also falls on the shoulder of the scouts, and by proximity, the player development people (ultimately the GM).

the idea behind that story is it is the dysfunctional met organization that breeds that.
They have had good scouts - but info doesn't always filter properly.
Jack Zduriencik who is now the hot topic in Seattle worked for the Mets; the Mets have had some talent- but they seem to have no plan

so yes, it is about the farm- but that is a chicken/egg thing- the weird dynamics in Met front office make things worse.

(oh and for whatever it means, Mets system isnt as bad as it seems- Keith Law, for example just put it in middle of pack at 15)

[foodcourtdruide]

the idea behind that story is it is the dysfunctional met organization that breeds that.
They have had good scouts - but info doesn't always filter properly.
Jack Zduriencik who is now the hot topic in Seattle worked for the Mets; the Mets have had some talent- but they seem to have no plan

so yes, it is about the farm- but that is a chicken/egg thing- the weird dynamics in Met front office make things worse.

(oh and for whatever it means, Mets system isnt as bad as it seems- Keith Law, for example just put it in middle of pack at 15)

I thought Law's assessment was dead on. The Mets work really well with young international free agents, but have had a dreadful time with the draft.

[lleeder]

I've seen some pretty ignorant statements made here... put both Castillo and Damon in a package for let's say a Francisco Liriano



Why would they trade a young guy with great upside and a live arm for a shit second baseman and an old outfielder that they could just sign now if they really wanted him?

[PD]

It seems I can blame Steve Phillips once again for screwing up the Mets.

Mets passed over truly Amazin' baseball exec (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/general_mistake_HRYovMbdpxAkGaFhUrDNHM)

[Joe Pietaro]

The Mets have a lot of issues and even if the injured main cogs return, it still is not a quick fix.

They have no first baseman or catcher, have big question marks in the starting rotation and middle relief, have a manager who cannot get the most - or even a solid effort - out of his players and a GM who is on the hotseat right next to Manuel.

The so-called 'power positions' (corner infield and outfield) are very weak in that aspect. David Wright is still young enough to find his home run stroke again, but is not a thumper. Daniel Murphy may not even be major league ready and is penciled in to start at first. he had a shaky year last summer and his production and BA are way below what is needed at this level.

Jeff Francouer was a pleasant addition last year and may hit around 20 dingers, not bad if the other guys around you are picking up the slack. Not the case on this team. The you have Jason Bay, who received superstar money and will have to live up to that large free agent contract now playing in a pitcher's park.

I'm a Met fan but looking at it objectively and realistically, they are still hanging on to that core of players whose best shot ended with Beltran's bat on his shoulder in the 2006 NLCS.

[hammersavage]

Mike Jacobs close to coming back.

[newport king]

i'd rather have jacobs than murph. murphy doesnt belong in a major league roster unless its for a real shit team. jacobs also gives some left handed pop. i heard francessa a little today basically doing his kill the mets job and as much as i dont like him he does make some points. he's also completely wrong on others.

castillo while he's seen as a liability by most if you look at his numbers from last year and subtract the yankee popup he had a great year.

ENOUGH with bronson fucking arroyo. he was a nice pitcher in boston. He's not sandy koufax.

everybody is down on the mets and yeah they're dysfunctional. problem is there wasn't alot of great free agents to be had this year.

so look forward to pitchers and catchers reporting in a week and have some optimism cause ya never know.

[PD]

i'd rather have jacobs than murph. murphy doesnt belong in a major league roster unless its for a real shit team. jacobs also gives some left handed pop. i heard francessa a little today basically doing his kill the mets job and as much as i dont like him he does make some points. he's also completely wrong on others.

castillo while he's seen as a liability by most if you look at his numbers from last year and subtract the yankee popup he had a great year.

ENOUGH with bronson fucking arroyo. he was a nice pitcher in boston. He's not sandy koufax.

everybody is down on the mets and yeah they're dysfunctional. problem is there wasn't alot of great free agents to be had this year.

so look forward to pitchers and catchers reporting in a week and have some optimism cause ya never know.
I don't get all of the Murphy hate. he is far from being the ideal 1bman, but to say he shouldn't be in the major leagues is pretty strong. Remember by the way, Jacobs was released.

for Castillo= his offense was ok ,but his range at 2b was terrible; it was more than just a dropped pop up.

and yes, listening to Mike Francessa about the Mets (or michael kay for that matter) will make your brain explode.

[newport king]

his range at 2b was terrible

which in turn kinda fucks us at 1st whether its murph, evans or jacobs playing there. our right side of the infield is inept.

one thing i never understood about castillo, the fucking guy looks like he can barely walk. how is he a professional athlete?

1st base a power position...unless you make up for it with SERIOUS defense ala john olerud (who could hit his ass off) or keith hernandez.

in that department murphy was a monumental failure.

i don't care that he was in his first full year. he sucked from april to september. there wasn't much improvement. this isn't little league. playing 1st base in new york is not a training ground.

[NickyL0885]

Keith Hernandez is working with Murphy on his defense this spring. Might as well learn from the best.

[Joe Pietaro]

Mike Jacobs has some pop and IMO is an immediate upgrade over the incumbent shit they have penciled in. Sure, he strikes out a lot and should be in a platoon situation if the Mets had the personnel, but this team has no power and needs to put some sticks in the line-up, especially from the so-called 'power positions.'

[razorboy]

Keith Hernandez is working with Murphy on his defense this spring. Might as well learn from the best.

As long as he doesn't end up straw down in the chalk during a game.

[TheGameHHH]

As long as he doesn't end up straw down in the chalk during a game.

hahaha sadly, say what you want about keith and his activities but he was a solid 1B. wish i could do coke and be that good

[Papi_Met_87]

Mike Jacobs has some pop and IMO is an immediate upgrade over the incumbent shit they have penciled in. Sure, he strikes out a lot and should be in a platoon situation if the Mets had the personnel, but this team has no power and needs to put some sticks in the line-up, especially from the so-called 'power positions.'

I'm sorry but you are wrong. The Mets have plenty of decent bats in the lineup and will shock this year. The Usual Suspects... Wright 30 or more hrs this if he stays protected. Beltran 30 - 40 hrs. The New Guys... Francouer 15 - 20 hrs Bay 25 - 35 hrs. The Sleepers... Barajas 15 - 20 hrs. Reyes 15 - 20 hrs Murphy & Jacobs 15 - 30 hrs. The only guy in our lineup who lacks power is Castillo. Our offense is NOT in any way the issue. Injuries were our undoing last year which was proved because even when 2 of our main guys were out we still held first place. Note NOT BECAUSE OF PITCHING!!!:drunk:

[hammersavage]

There is baseball on TV. Mets/Braves on SNY. Ike Davis batting 6th I believe. Most of the regulars were sat due to the rain earlier and they are being very careful early on to prevent injury.

I'd love to see Mejia later.

[hammersavage]

Ike is 2 for 3. Put him in the hall already

[hammersavage]

Ike Davis still hitting over .525 with power. If he has a great spring like he's on his way to doing, he should get the job.

[Joe Pietaro]

Ike Davis still hitting over .525 with power. If he has a great spring like he's on his way to doing, he should get the job.
With any other organization, that would probably be the case. But the shaky-ass Mets have babied their young players for decades. The only way Davis gets called up early is if the team gets off to a slow start (which will happen) and Omar & the clown (Manuel) become panicky for their jobs (which also will happen).

So I expect to see Ike in the bigs before May is over. He may have some nice potential but there is not enough elsewhere for this team to contend.

Until they restructure their entire strength and conditioning staff and program, they will always have guys sidelined for large portions of the season.

[KingGeno]

:laugh:

[cougarjake13]

fuckin reyes

[K.C.]

I love this team.

Everyday brings a new joy.

[cougarjake13]

I love this team.

Everyday brings a new joy.

congrats on your 4th consecutive division title, only 9 more to go

[Joe Pietaro]

I'm sorry but you are wrong. The Mets have plenty of decent bats in the lineup and will shock this year. The Usual Suspects... Wright 30 or more hrs this if he stays protected. Beltran 30 - 40 hrs. The New Guys... Francouer 15 - 20 hrs Bay 25 - 35 hrs. The Sleepers... Barajas 15 - 20 hrs. Reyes 15 - 20 hrs Murphy & Jacobs 15 - 30 hrs. The only guy in our lineup who lacks power is Castillo. Our offense is NOT in any way the issue. Injuries were our undoing last year which was proved because even when 2 of our main guys were out we still held first place. Note NOT BECAUSE OF PITCHING!!!:drunk:
I truly hope that you are right and I'm wrong, but I just don't see it. Being a Met fan my whole life (I'm 42 now), I have become to see how this is an organization that can fuck up getting a free blowjob from a five-star call girl.

Wright will never hit 30 home runs this year, especially as you said if he stays protected. My question is - by who? Their line-up is one geared for small ball.

Beltran may have a shot to hit 30 if he comes back quickly from the knee rehab and gets hot, but 40? He wasn't that when he was healthy.

Francoeur should be able to hit 20 and Bay a little more. Barajas is out of shape and hit only .226 last year while Reyes should worry about getting on base more and running out ground balls than swinging for the fences.

Castillo was arguably the team's best player a year ago - sans for the dropped pop up in the Bronx. And that's not saying a lot about this ball club. He had 20 SB and hit a nice an mount of doubles.

Their first base situation is a disaster and the whole lot of them are barely second stringers. Pitching? Outside of Johan and K-Rod, you're looking at a bunch of mediocre at best arms. And Rodriguez even blew 8 saves last year.

Minaya and Manuel need to go and both should be gone by the All-Star break.

[Servo]

Marlins at Mets, today at 1:10... let's get it on!

[PD]

Marlins at Mets, today at 1:10... let's get it on!
1-0

can we stop the season now?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

stupid Tuesday off..... this has killed the Mets opening day momentum recently....


maybe Mr. Matthews Jr. can take some defensive practice at 1st... just sayin

[CruelCircus]

So, I attended Opening Day as well as the workout on Sunday. Gave me a good chance to check out all the "enhancements" at Citi Field this year (ie. stuff that should have been part of the original plan but inexplicably wasn't).

In checking out all of the new "Mets Greats" player banners outside the stadium, I noticed a rather glaring omission: there's no Carlos Beltran banner. They've got Wright, Reyes, Johan, and even Jason Bay. Heck, they even have Tim Teufel! But no Beltran (and no K-Rod for that matter). Do you think this is just a bad oversight, or a purposeful omission after all that went on with Beltran in the off-season? Either way, terrible job yet again by the Citi Field folks.

On another note, really did like the Mets Hall of Fame and Museum addition. The only downside is that it seems a little cramped b/c it was basically carved out of the big Team Store, but it does a good job with what few great moments we have in team history.

[hammersavage]

Liked what I saw from Niese tonight. I think he'll be strong. The offense looks a little sluggish but Reyes coming back Saturday should help with that.



Don't know whether to laugh of cry at this:

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[PD]

Liked what I saw from Niese tonight. I think he'll be strong. The offense looks a little sluggish but Reyes coming back Saturday should help with that.



Don't know whether to laugh of cry at this:

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you know the interviewer is Craig Carton (Sportsguys!)

So has Barajas already hit more Met Hrs than Schneider did?

at least Pelf looked pretty good- even though this game was vs Nats.

[newport king]

we should be 3-1

[K.C.]

Willie Harris play was SICK!!!

[PD]

Willie Harris play was SICK!!!
again :down:

since he's been in the national league that is like the 6th time hes made at least an excellent play against the mets.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

this is gonna be a loooong season


maybe I should look into cheering for the Redbulls

[cougarjake13]

Liked what I saw from Niese tonight. I think he'll be strong. The offense looks a little sluggish but Reyes coming back Saturday should help with that.



Don't know whether to laugh of cry at this:

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i think both :glurps:

[hammersavage]

alright, lets start guessing dates that Jerry gets fired.

I say May 4th.

[newport king]

how exactly is maine our #2? i havent seen him in the 6th inning of a game since 2006.

[cougarjake13]

alright, lets start guessing dates that Jerry gets fired.

I say May 4th.

may 17th

[cougarjake13]

how exactly is maine our #2? i havent seen him in the 6th inning of a game since 2006.

by default

[newport king]

The last few years we would score early and offense would go cold and pen would give up lead and we'd lose.

So i guess no we get 1 hit till the 6th, score a few and now we hold on. Ok, i'll take it.

Are we good now? we've been winning and at times things they do frustrate me. Santana, Big Pelf and even Niese give us a shot everytime. Ollie, who knows, and Maine...hey im hoping he goes the same way as Dan Murphy and never to be seen or heard from on this team again. But other than that, we're not too bad.

[newport king]

the mets are in 1st place. that is all.

[razorboy]

the mets are in 1st place. that is all.

Omar Minaya.


That is all.

[PD]

I must say I am enjoying this game so far.

[newport king]

itll be like this all weekend.

[NickyL0885]

If Pelf pitches the way he has been pitching tomorrow, we def have a chance to sweep this series.

[PD]

If Pelf pitches the way he has been pitching tomorrow, we def have a chance to sweep this series.

CHANCE.

One game at a time. Halladay has been a beast; hopefully Pelf can keep it close.

[newport king]

CHANCE.

One game at a time. Halladay has been a beast; hopefully Pelf can keep it close.

Pelf: 4-0, 0.69era

Halladay: 4-1, 1.80era

who's beasting now? suck it harry leroy.

[Kevin]

Pelf: 4-0, 0.69era

Halladay: 4-1, 1.80era

who's beasting now? suck it harry leroy.

Im sorry..

Did you just compare Mike Pelfry to Roy Halladay?


Did you really?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Im sorry..

Did you just compare Mike Pelfry to Roy Halladay?


Did you really?

Javy Vasquez > CC Sabathia

[Kevin]

Javy Vasquez > CC Sabathia

Matt Smith > David Tennant.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Matt Smith > David Tennant.

Kate Mulgrew > Patrick Stewart

[Kevin]

Kate Mulgrew > Patrick Stewart

Freema Agyeman >Zaphod Beeblebrox

[newport king]

Im sorry..

Did you just compare Mike Pelfry to Roy Halladay?


Did you really?

actually yankee fan, no i didn't. what i was pointing out was this defeatist attitude met fans have like "well hopefully he keeps it close" Aside from today the guy has had a huge start to the season, why not hope he out pitches him. instead of just keeping it close.

[Kevin]

actually yankee fan, no i didn't. what i was pointing out was this defeatist attitude met fans have like "well hopefully he keeps it close" Aside from today the guy has had a huge start to the season, why not hope he out pitches him. instead of just keeping it close.

Did he do any of those?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Good lord, CBP is fucking rocking.

[Kevin]

Good lord, CBP is fucking rocking.

Johan looks awesome...

[cougarjake13]

this is why i hate being a mutts fan

[cougarjake13]

jesus christ


this is like a bugs bunny cartoon

[Kevin]

Edge hit the shit out of that.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Edge hit the shit out of that.

The Rated R Phillies Star

[Tenbatsuzen]

Edge SPEAR'D~! that.

FTFY.

[hanso]

Maybe Johan can take up guitar.

[brettmojo]

actually yankee fan, no i didn't. what i was pointing out was this defeatist attitude met fans have like "well hopefully he keeps it close" Aside from today the guy has had a huge start to the season, why not hope he out pitches him. instead of just keeping it close.
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1327/largejohansantananewyor.jpg

[Adolf]

Johan looks awesome...

sure does :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Kevin]

sure does :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I bet you are thrilled you turned down Phil Hughes for the Mets package.

[K.C.]

new year, same story...nothing to see here...

Also, I miss Towelie...he was the best....the way he used to talk baseball so authoritatively right up until the last week of 2007....hm...wonder what happened...

[tbagnu]

the mutts and their fans can revel in the lead during april......the rest of the season should be ours!!!.....ron bennington for president with roy halladay as his running mate!!

[Joe Pietaro]

I will stand by my preseason prediction that the Mets will finish last in the NL East. Sure, I was pleasantly surprised when they were winning (I am a fan, but a realistic one) but cannot say that I'm shocked they've had their asses handed to them the last two games.

Waiting for the wheels to come off the Pelfrey bandwagon was just a matter of time and Johan has not had the speed since the surgery.

[K.C.]

Problems piling up for Mets

It's not just David Wright. Mets have problems all over.

Jerry Manuel did his best to hide his exasperation over an offense that's batting .236 with runners in scoring position, but after only a few questions Thursday night it was obvious the manager had reached a tipping point.

"There's going to be adjustments," Manuel said in the aftermath of the Mets' 2-1 loss to the Marlins. Changes are indeed coming: With a .232 average as the make-shift No. 3 hitter, Jose Reyes will soon be busted down a rank and return to batting leadoff. Rookie Ike Davis will inevitably replace Jason Bay in the cleanup slot, and David Wright, who's turned into a human swing-and-miss machine, is probably in line for a day of rest.

That wouldn't be the same as a benching -- it's more like the stock market halting trading during a free-fall. Wright needs a timeout. He's striking out at a near-historic rate, 46 times in 122 at-bats, and is at a loss to explain why.

"I don't really have a solid answer to why I'm swinging through so many balls," Wright said glumly. The frustration has spread throughout the organization, culminating in the slugger's streak of nine consecutive strikeouts over a three-game span this week. Finally, mercifully, Wright popped up in the fourth inning against the Nationals on Tuesday, raising the Mets' hopes that the worst was over.

But the third baseman went down in another key spot on Thursday, swinging over Leo Nunez' strike-three slider with two outs in the ninth and the go-ahead run on second base.

The fact that the Marlins won it in the bottom of the ninth -- on a Fernando Nieve wild pitch, no less -- only deepened the Mets' wound. They're only a game over .500 now, struggling to keep up with the Nationals, let alone the Phillies. Nothing, it seems, has gone consistently right for Manuel ever since Roy Halladay humiliated the Mets at Citizens Bank Park on May 1.

The Mets returned from Philadelphia, where they lost two of three, to slog through a 3-3 homestand. It was cold all week in Flushing, the wind kept whipping garbage around the outfield like a NYC sanitation strike from the 1970s, as the fans hunkered down in misery.

Actually, there weren't all that many fans to speak of: The Mets are off 18 percent in attendance from last year -- a loss of 6,852 fans per game that represents the steepest decline by number in the big leagues. Club officials are understandably citing the bad weather as the culprit. Still, with the memory of their nine-game winning streak all but gone, the Mets have yet to generate a sustainable buzz around town.

Reyes, for one, seems lost, having failed to morph into a bona fide run producer during Carlos Beltran's absence. At the moment of truth Thursday, with a man on second and none out in a 1-1 game, Manuel asked Reyes to forget about the RBI and simply bunt Luis Castillo over to third, where Jason Bay and Wright would have two chances to give the Mets the lead.

Reyes couldn't. He ended up flying out harmlessly to left, dooming the Mets' rally as Bay bounced to third and Wright struck out -- again. At his current pace, Wright will finish the season with well over 200 strikeouts, as the Mets can only pray he doesn't challenge Adam Dunn's all-time K-ratio of one every 2.91 at-bats in 2004.

Of course strikeouts aren't necessarily poisonous if they co-exist with run production. Babe Ruth fanned once every 6.3 at-bats, and not surprisingly led the American League five times in both HRs and strikeouts. Mickey Mantle fanned once every 4.7 at-bats. And Reggie Jackson, one of the great showmen of all time, holds the record with 2,597 career punch-outs.

But historical precedent hasn't done much to re-assure the Mets about Wright. They know the slugger hasn't been the same since being beaned by Matt Cain last August, returning after a month on the DL to hit .223 with 34 strikeouts in 103 at-bats.

Wright insisted his September struggles were just a matter of rust and showed up in spring training in extraordinary physical condition. He appeared to have shaken off the effects of his concussion. But that might've been just a temporary illusion. He appears more tentative than ever with up and in fastballs -- flinching, at times, as if he were protecting himself from another errant pitch.

"It almost looks like he's afraid or at least uncomfortable," said one major-league talent evaluator. "That's definitely not the David Wright from two years ago."

In 2008, Wright made contact with almost 81 percent of the pitches he swung at. Today, he's down to 72 percent. Even more revealing is how badly Wright is getting fooled: He's connecting with just 51.7 percent of pitches out of the strike zone, a 13 percent decline from two years ago.

Wright refuses to acknowledge his beaning had (or has) anything to do with swinging and missing. But he's yet to come up with a tangible explanation. Manuel is just as baffled, telling reporters this week, "we're in the process of trying to, as a staff, trying to figure that out. We haven't quite gotten there yet, to be honest with you."

Meanwhile, there's one other nagging decline the Mets haven't yet addressed -- Francisco Rodriguez's inability to dominate or close out games the way they'd anticipated he would.

K-Rod gave up the game-winning home run to Roger Bernadina on Wednesday at Citi Field, the final touch on a bummer of a 6-4 loss to Washington. Rodriguez said he felt fine, that he merely mis-located a fastball. But the numbers say something's amiss.

Rodriguez's ground ball/fly ball ratio is now the worst of his career, just 0.54. Almost 56 percent of the contact made against the right-hander results in a fly ball, a huge increase from 37.8 percent from just two years ago.

As a result, the days of K-Rod being considered one of the game's elite closers could be coming to an end. As Newsday's Ken Davidoff pointed out, Rodriguez' WXRL, (win expectation above replacement, which measures how relievers advance their teams towards a victory) stands at .758 -- 26th in the big leagues.

By anyone's spreadsheet, that's bad news for a team that's starting to swim in it.

What the hell does it take to get someone fired in that organization (other than ripping off your shirt and challenging Double-A players to fights).

Seriously, blow it up already.

And just to make sure it's completely blown up fire Jerry, fire Omar, and bring in this man to complete the demolition:

http://www3.whig.com/whig/blogs/schucksclipboard/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bowa.jpg

The first time he choked Reyes in the dugout and called Wright a pussy in a press conference, then you'd know things are moving and shaking....

[hanso]

They woke up the Marlins.

[Kevin]

Remember when you Cookey Met fans were saying David Wright was better than Arod?


Funny stuff..

[brettmojo]

Remember when you Cookey Met fans were saying David Wright was better than Arod?


Funny stuff..
I always always amused by the "OH I'D TAKE REYES/WRIGHT OVER JETER/RODRIGUEZ RIGHT NOW!!!" cry.

[newport king]

this is fun? going to the mets thread? worry about the beating tampa just gave you.

and what the fuck jerry? elmer dessens? seriously?

[Kevin]

this is fun? going to the mets thread? worry about the beating tampa just gave you.

and what the fuck jerry? elmer dessens? seriously?

I'm not worried about Tampa.

We beat their asses when we had a full team.

They caught us with half the team.

Their pitching can't keep up and they will come down to earth, and we will get healthy and be fine.

Its just fun teasing, thats all.

You would do the same.

[Snoogans]

I'm not worried about Tampa.

We beat their asses when we had a full team.

They caught us with half the team.

Their pitching can't keep up and they will come down to earth, and we will get healthy and be fine.

Its just fun teasing, thats all.

You would do the same.

you have like 2 guys out. you cant even count jorge cause you are better off without him

[Kevin]

you have like 2 guys out. you cant even count jorge cause you are better off without him

come on

our last hitters were

Marcus Themes
Juan Miranda
Randy Winn...

[newport king]

do you guys ever wonder why everyone hates yankee fans? you're actually claiming injury? whats the matter, is it hard to get allstar backups for your infield superteam? teixeira a top 5 1b, cano a triple crown candidate 2b, jeter, and arod. are you fucking kidding me? how this team doesnt win 145 games a year is mind boggling.

[Kevin]

do you guys ever wonder why everyone hates yankee fans? you're actually claiming injury? whats the matter, is it hard to get allstar backups for your infield superteam? teixeira a top 5 1b, cano a triple crown candidate 2b, jeter, and arod. are you fucking kidding me? how this team doesnt win 145 games a year is mind boggling.

First of all

Good win..

So many fucking blown chances.

2nd.

We are missing our CF C DH

And Jeter is hitting 267 like 200 since opening week. and Tex is hitting 200

So don''t act like they have been awesome.

I dont give a shit what team you are when u have all those guys out plus your top guys are sucking ass, you can say something.

[Snoogans]

First of all

Good win..

So many fucking blown chances.

2nd.

We are missing our CF C DH

And Jeter is hitting 267 like 200 since opening week. and Tex is hitting 200

So don''t act like they have been awesome.

I dont give a shit what team you are when u have all those guys out plus your top guys are sucking ass, you can say something.

boston has just as many starters banged up. The yankees have jorge out who isnt great and his backup has been playing better, granderson is out and not really much else. You guys just arent playing well is all.

[newport king]

beltran is out and is nowhere close to coming back.
bay our big ticket freeagent cleanup hitter has 1 homerun.
dwright is on pace to strike out 240 times.
our leadoff/number3 hitter is hitting 210.
francoeur started hitting around 500, since then hes gotten about 10 hits.

tex always starts slow, jeter is an over the plate hanging overrated bag of shit i hope he doesnt get another hit all season.

but no as a yankee fan you arent allowed to cry about injuries. lets not act like curtis granderson is really the glue that hold this lineup together.

[newport king]

and who is your dh? nick johnson? while i think hes a nice player you KNEW he was going to be on the DL this season when you signed him.

[newport king]

i like that local newscasters act like "hey the mets won. can you believe it? the retarded kid brother got one."

[Snoogans]

and who is your dh? nick johnson? while i think hes a nice player you KNEW he was going to be on the DL this season when you signed him.
and he was hittin like 185

[newport king]

hes got an awesome on base percentage though. really knows how to work those counts. like i havent heard that enough.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

RIP. Jose Lima....one more injury and u would have been our 5th starter

Now I may of wished you death when I bought a luxary suite for my weddin party gift and you gave up 5 runs in the 1st 2/3 of an inning, but I didn't mean it....

[cougarjake13]

boston has just as many starters banged up. The yankees have jorge out who isnt great and his backup has been playing better, granderson is out and not really much else. You guys just arent playing well is all.



which is why the rays are just running away with the division



only prob rays face is if any injury occurs they could be fucked

[Papi_Met_87]

Could everyone Stop hitting the panic button already!!! We'll be fine...We just took 2 of 3 from the Junkies who are the reigning World Series Chumps! As for Wright/Reyes over A-Rod/Jeter; the better tandem would be Wright/Jeter, but that's another story. Bay hasn't been bashing HR's but he has been hitting for a higher avg. and is top 5 for 2 baggers. Wright has been giving reason for concern in the k's dept. but already has his total amount of hr's from last year making 40 look reachable. As for Beltran I think when he gets back let him play to show teams he still CAN and trade his ass for a pitcher who might be up for grabs.

[Snoogans]

Could everyone Stop hitting the panic button already!!! We'll be fine...We just took 2 of 3 from the Junkies who are the reigning World Series Chumps! As for Wright/Reyes over A-Rod/Jeter; the better tandem would be Wright/Jeter, but that's another story. Bay hasn't been bashing HR's but he has been hitting for a higher avg. and is top 5 for 2 baggers. Wright has been giving reason for concern in the k's dept. but already has his total amount of hr's from last year making 40 look reachable. As for Beltran I think when he gets back let him play to show teams he still CAN and trade his ass for a pitcher who might be up for grabs.

DAVID WRIGHT SUCKS.....let that sink in.....DAVID WRIGHT SUCKS

He has like 900 Ks already. Stop it, he is not better than ARod and thats coming from someone who despises arod and the yankees.

The better combo is ARod/Jeter and its been proven so for the last however many years wright and reyes have been playing

[foodcourtdruide]

DAVID WRIGHT SUCKS.....let that sink in.....DAVID WRIGHT SUCKS

He has like 900 Ks already. Stop it, he is not better than ARod and thats coming from someone who despises arod and the yankees.

The better combo is ARod/Jeter and its been proven so for the last however many years wright and reyes have been playing

I'm a little surprised you're screaming David Wright sucks. He has a career .905 OPS. That's pretty good. Strike outs are annoying, but there's much more to a baseball player than how much he K's. He's a very good 3B, probably borderline all-star. That is far from sucking.

[Papi_Met_87]

DAVID WRIGHT SUCKS.....let that sink in.....DAVID WRIGHT SUCKS

He has like 900 Ks already. Stop it, he is not better than ARod and thats coming from someone who despises arod and the yankees.

The better combo is ARod/Jeter and its been proven so for the last however many years wright and reyes have been playing

I'm reading your comment and I feel like I'm on an episode of Punk'd. A-rod will make the HoF but we will never truly know how much of that was due to the juice. The guy sucks, he has no class. Yelling at other 3B so they can drop a pop up, slapping guys away so they can't apply a tag. He can't touch Wright's normal avg. He doesn't have the same br ability and as of late he's mediocre at best. C'mon give me a break!:furious:

[Snoogans]

who cares if they took juice. take more. WIN GAMES

[Kevin]

I'm reading your comment and I feel like I'm on an episode of Punk'd. A-rod will make the HoF but we will never truly know how much of that was due to the juice. The guy sucks, he has no class. Yelling at other 3B so they can drop a pop up, slapping guys away so they can't apply a tag. He can't touch Wright's normal avg. He doesn't have the same br ability and as of late he's mediocre at best. C'mon give me a break!:furious:



Stop it.

David Wright is a mediocre player.

Arod is an all time great.

Why don't you compare Kevin Johnson to Magic Johnson while your at it.

[Papi_Met_87]

Stop it.

David Wright is a mediocre player.

Arod is an all time great.

Why don't you compare Kevin Johnson to Magic Johnson while your at it.

A-rod all time great? What because he hits hrs and chokes all but once in the post season? Wright mediocre? Do me a favor and scout players for the Phill's so we'd be guaranteed to win every time out. Another thing, did u really just refer to A-rod as baseballs Magic? Talk about inflating someones ego... :clap:

[Kevin]

A-rod all time great? What because he hits hrs and chokes all but once in the post season? Wright mediocre? Do me a favor and scout players for the Phill's so we'd be guaranteed to win every time out. Another thing, did u really just refer to A-rod as baseballs Magic? Talk about inflating someones ego... :clap:



If you check his post season stats, they are better then most.

If you don't think Arod isnt an All time great then you are clearly retarded

[Papi_Met_87]

If you check his post season stats, they are better then most.

If you don't think Arod isnt an All time great then you are clearly retarded

All time greats lead their teams to the post season and then deliver in the clutch to earn the title. A-rod has NEVER done that! A-rod is good not great...Thames a perennial nobody has delivered more clutch hits for the Yanks this year then your buddy A-rod. Case in point: Your retarted if you DO think A-rod is all time great.

[brettmojo]

All time greats lead their teams to the post season and then deliver in the clutch to earn the title. A-rod has NEVER done that!
He did that last year. Did you just wake from a coma?

[Kevin]

All time greats lead their teams to the post season and then deliver in the clutch to earn the title. A-rod has NEVER done that! A-rod is good not great...Thames a perennial nobody has delivered more clutch hits for the Yanks this year then your buddy A-rod. Case in point: Your retarted if you DO think A-rod is all time great.



You are as retarded as your board name.

Like Bretmojo said, he silenced all his haters last year.

Including myself.

[Papi_Met_87]

He did that last year. Did you just wake from a coma?

A-rod did NOT do that last year Texeira lead the way to the post season and it was Matsui NOT A-rod who was clutch in the World Series...If you're gonna ride a bandwagon, at least get your facts straight!:thumbdown:

[Papi_Met_87]

You are as retarded as your board name.

Like Bretmojo said, he silenced all his haters last year.

Including myself.

You were quick to bring up that A-rod's post season numbers weren't all that bad, but you foolishly agreed to things that weren't facts. Someone better get K-Fed over here a life line cause he's lost overboard. The only thing here more retarded than my sn is the way you foolishly yank on A-rods nuts. Let's see how far that'll get you.:blink:

[disneyspy]

For the entire 2009 postseason, A-Rod finished 19-for-52, hitting .365 with six home runs and 18 RBI.

[brettmojo]

A-rod did NOT do that last year Texeira lead the way to the post season and it was Matsui NOT A-rod who was clutch in the World Series...If you're gonna ride a bandwagon, at least get your facts straight!:thumbdown:
The guy missed over a month... A MONTH. And still hit 30 home runs and knocked in 100 RBIS. Teixeira was dog shit until Arod returned to the lineup and hit like dog shit the last month of the season.

Arod's 2009 postseason...

6 homeruns, 18 RBIS, 15 R, 11 BB and hit .455 against Minnesota, .425 against LA and .250 against the Phillies but still had 6 RBIS and that big off the camera home run in game 3.

Matsui had a monster World Series. Given. But Arod had an all-time run last year in the post season. To deny that is just plain stupidity.

[brettmojo]

The only thing here more retarded than my sn is the way you foolishly yank on A-rods nuts. Let's see how far that'll get you.:blink:
Got us all the way to a ticker tape parade last year.

[Papi_Met_87]

For the entire 2009 postseason, A-Rod finished 19-for-52, hitting .365 with six home runs and 18 RBI.

How much of that happened during the World Series? .250, one home run, six RBI...for "All Time Great" as you've said when they mattered most he choked, but luckily Hideki was there to save the day.:flush:

[Papi_Met_87]

I have NOT said A-rod wasn't good because he is, you can't ignore the numbers. I'm just not willing to say he's "All Time Great" as your buddy has been saying.

[Kevin]

How much of that happened during the World Series? .250, one home run, six RBI...for "All Time Great" as you've said when they mattered most he choked, but luckily Hideki was there to save the day.:flush:



You obviously are retarded or don't watch any games

His one hr was a game changing 3 run hr and his other RBIs were game winning 9th inn RBIs.

He was the WS MVP until Matsui's monster game 6

You are either a board charecter or the dumbest person on earth.

[Papi_Met_87]

You obviously are retarded or don't watch any games

His one hr was a game changing 3 run hr and his other RBIs were game winning 9th inn RBIs.

He was the WS MVP until Matsui's monster game 6

You are either a board charecter or the dumbest person on earth.

Again I say this to ya K-Fed A-rod is good but NOT "All Time Great"

[Kevin]

I have NOT said A-rod wasn't good because he is, you can't ignore the numbers. I'm just not willing to say he's "All Time Great" as your buddy has been saying.



On his way to way over 3k hits, 700+ 3MVPs and counting

You're right..

Just your normal run of the mil career..

And don't give me Roids.

Everyone did them.

From babe to mickey to everyone.

[brettmojo]

Again I say this to ya K-Fed A-rod is good but NOT "All Time Great"
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8467/3f519spaceballsae7xo5.gif

[Papi_Met_87]

On his way to way over 3k hits, 700+ 3MVPs and counting

You're right..

Just your normal run of the mil career..

And don't give me Roids.

Everyone did them.

From babe to mickey to everyone.

Is that really how you want to put things? Now everyone did them? Sadder still you piss on true greats and their memories to prove what exactly...:wallbash:

[brettmojo]

Is that really how you want to put things? Now everyone did them? Sadder still you piss on true greats and their memories to prove what exactly...:wallbash:
You do know those hot dogs Ruth was pounding down between innings back in the day were BALCO DOGS right?

[Kevin]

You do know those hot dogs Ruth was pounding down between innings back in the day were BALCO DOGS right?



I hope his cousin wasnt injecting those in his ass too..


That would be just wierd..

[Papi_Met_87]

You do know those hot dogs Ruth was pounding down between innings back in the day were BALCO DOGS right?

roflmao you two are too much:lol:

[foodcourtdruide]

This conversation is crazy. A-Rod IS an all-time great and David Wright is better than mediocare. In 2006-2007 there was a legitimate argument to be made that Wright/Reyes could potentially, one day have the careers that Jeter/A-Rod had, however a lot of things had to go right for that to happen and they clearly didn't. Still, their is a possibility that they will be a very good SS/3B combo for years to come.

[newport king]

And don't give me Roids.

Everyone did them.

From babe to mickey to everyone.

thats just fucking absurd. as far as this argument goes yes arod is probably one of the most talented to play the game, and wright, i dont know what happened since that homerun derby he was in but hes played like shit since.....say what u want i still say jeter is overrated.

[Snoogans]

And don't give me Roids.

Everyone did them.

From babe to mickey to everyone.

thats just fucking absurd. as far as this argument goes yes arod is probably one of the most talented to play the game, and wright, i dont know what happened since that homerun derby he was in but hes played like shit since.....say what u want i still say jeter is overrated.

if it wasnt roids, it was whatever thing they had then that was supposed to give them an edge. And the Mick MISSED GAMES WITH AN ABSCESS AFTER A "new special" SHOT FROM MEL ALLEN'S "doctor"

Stop it, every sport, since the beginning of time, athletes have done whatever they could do to get an edge and perform better. And I say Thank You

and yes jeter is overrated, but so is reyes. And at least you can count on Jeter being on the field. I still take him over Jose until Jeter has a full year that tells me I shouldnt

[Papi_Met_87]

And don't give me Roids.

Everyone did them.

From babe to mickey to everyone.

thats just fucking absurd. as far as this argument goes yes arod is probably one of the most talented to play the game, and wright, i dont know what happened since that homerun derby he was in but hes played like shit since.....say what u want i still say jeter is overrated.

Wright has been a top player since before than and has had better seasons since then! What messed him up were the injuries last year that left him carrying a AA caliber team on his shoulders for a majority of the year, but what really did it was the Matt Cain fastball to the coconut. Since then he flinches at anything inside and chases almost everything away to avoid inside pitches. I think he might need a therapist or something!!!

[NickyL0885]

Wowies. Mets not only sweep the Phillies, but shut them out in each game. Jeeeez. Big Pelf is pitching outstanding. It would be a travesty if he is not on the All-Star team. 7-1 2.54 ERA.

[Papi_Met_87]

Wowies. Mets not only sweep the Phillies, but shut them out in each game. Jeeeez. Big Pelf is pitching outstanding. It would be a travesty if he is not on the All-Star team. 7-1 2.54 ERA.

Agreed!!! If he keeps this up we'll have our first Cy-Young Award winner in a long while. Even a better record than Halladay (8o :surrender:

[newport king]

early cy young vote

1. ubaldo jimenez

2. tim lincecum

3. roy halladay

i'll give Pelf a distant 4th. But jimenez is pitching out of his mind.

[Papi_Met_87]

early cy young vote

1. ubaldo jimenez

2. tim lincecum

3. roy halladay

i'll give Pelf a distant 4th. But jimenez is pitching out of his mind.

iiiiREALLY!!!!???
Jimenez 1 ok definitely 9-1 with a .88 ERA
but 2 should be the "Big Pelf" 7-1 with a 2.54 ERA
3 Lincecum (for now anyways) 5-1 with a 3.00 ERA
Distant 4th should be Hypedallday (Roy) 6-3 with a 2.22 ERA
I'm sorry but I honestly think and I know this is going to anger people that Roy Halladay is baseballs LeBron James. He's been crowned a superstar when he hasn't done anything memorable. He hasn't won a ring...no matter what players were added to build around him, he doesn't have the bling!!! Peyton was considered good not great even with records that were reachable to him than he finally won a Super Bowl and now they say he's great....so why do people look at Halladay and consider him great? Why do they look at LeBron and consider him great? Don't get me wrong they're electric exciting players no doubt.:wallbash:

[Kevin]

iiiiREALLY!!!!???
Jimenez 1 ok definitely 9-1 with a .88 ERA
but 2 should be the "Big Pelf" 7-1 with a 2.54 ERA
3 Lincecum (for now anyways) 5-1 with a 3.00 ERA
Distant 4th should be Hypedallday (Roy) 6-3 with a 2.22 ERA
I'm sorry but I honestly think and I know this is going to anger people that Roy Halladay is baseballs LeBron James. He's been crowned a superstar when he hasn't done anything memorable. He hasn't won a ring...no matter what players were added to build around him, he doesn't have the bling!!! Peyton was considered good not great even with records that were reachable to him than he finally won a Super Bowl and now they say he's great....so why do people look at Halladay and consider him great? Why do they look at LeBron and consider him great? Don't get me wrong they're electric exciting players no doubt.:wallbash:

You're high
and retarded.

[Papi_Met_87]

You're high
and retarded.

don't smoke and my vitals came out fine, but thanks for your concern:thumbup:

[Snoogans]

iiiiREALLY!!!!???
Jimenez 1 ok definitely 9-1 with a .88 ERA
but 2 should be the "Big Pelf" 7-1 with a 2.54 ERA
3 Lincecum (for now anyways) 5-1 with a 3.00 ERA
Distant 4th should be Hypedallday (Roy) 6-3 with a 2.22 ERA
I'm sorry but I honestly think and I know this is going to anger people that Roy Halladay is baseballs LeBron James. He's been crowned a superstar when he hasn't done anything memorable. He hasn't won a ring...no matter what players were added to build around him, he doesn't have the bling!!! Peyton was considered good not great even with records that were reachable to him than he finally won a Super Bowl and now they say he's great....so why do people look at Halladay and consider him great? Why do they look at LeBron and consider him great? Don't get me wrong they're electric exciting players no doubt.:wallbash:

funny, his ERA is still better than the guy you put second. Thats ERA, wins dont matter, ask Johan Santana tonight. You are insane. The mets are terrible and you are blind. these guys arent good. "Big Pelf" isnt nearly as good as halladay in his worst year in the league. Fuck the mets. they are an embarrassment

[Snoogans]

iiiiREALLY!!!!???
Jimenez 1 ok definitely 9-1 with a .88 ERA
but 2 should be the "Big Pelf" 7-1 with a 2.54 ERA
3 Lincecum (for now anyways) 5-1 with a 3.00 ERA
Distant 4th should be Hypedallday (Roy) 6-3 with a 2.22 ERA
I'm sorry but I honestly think and I know this is going to anger people that Roy Halladay is baseballs LeBron James. He's been crowned a superstar when he hasn't done anything memorable. He hasn't won a ring...no matter what players were added to build around him, he doesn't have the bling!!! Peyton was considered good not great even with records that were reachable to him than he finally won a Super Bowl and now they say he's great....so why do people look at Halladay and consider him great? Why do they look at LeBron and consider him great? Don't get me wrong they're electric exciting players no doubt.:wallbash:

wait, what players did toronto add around him? He was in Toronto and won Cy Youngs pitching against the best fuckin teams in the MLB more than anyone else. You are just stupid

[Snoogans]

and did you really bring up that halladay has no rings? Where are the Mets rings? And didnt you just argue about david wright and reyes being better than jeter and arod? Why dont rings matter there?

[Papi_Met_87]

funny, his ERA is still better than the guy you put second. Thats ERA, wins dont matter, ask Johan Santana tonight. You are insane. The mets are terrible and you are blind. these guys arent good. "Big Pelf" isnt nearly as good as halladay in his worst year in the league. Fuck the mets. they are an embarrassment

YEAH that's a huge way to show your baseball knowledge, wins don't matter wtf?! so than why do they play the games retard? f the mets and they're an embarassment? yet you find yourself here on a mets 2010 season thread talking baseball...sad. wtf guy really? r yankee fans that boring and fake that you gotta be here?:clap:

[Snoogans]

YEAH that's a huge way to show your baseball knowledge, wins don't matter wtf?! so than why do they play the games retard? f the mets and they're an embarassment? yet you find yourself here on a mets 2010 season thread talking baseball...sad. wtf guy really? r yankee fans that boring and fake that you gotta be here?:clap:

wins matter to the team, of course jerkoff. But you cant look at the fact pelfrey has more wins and say oh he is doin better than halladay. Halladay has a BETTER ERA MORON.

and yes yankee fans are that boring. However Im a red sox fan. Both my parents are mets fans. I see as much, if not more mets than you. believe me i know. Again, wins dont always matter for a pitcher, ask Santana tonight. he went 8 inn, 3 hits, 0 runs, didnt get a win. Thats what i meant.

Look at ERA, halladay just gave up 7 in 4 inn to Boston and still has a better ERA. You are just a fuckin blind homer and you dont even know about your own team. Go away now, BUM

[Papi_Met_87]

and did you really bring up that halladay has no rings? Where are the Mets rings? And didnt you just argue about david wright and reyes being better than jeter and arod? Why dont rings matter there?

you just can't get enough of me can you? if you adjust your eyes a little and take a reading class or 2 you would see that i never argued that wright reyes were better than a-rod jeter....i said the better tandem would be wright and jeter...and as much as it pained me to say that twice now i stick by that thought.

[Snoogans]

you just can't get enough of me can you? if you adjust your eyes a little and take a reading class or 2 you would see that i never argued that wright reyes were better than a-rod jeter....i said the better tandem would be wright and jeter...and as much as it pained me to say that twice now i stick by that thought.

how can you fuckin say that? it makes no sense. the best one in the future would prob be the complete opposite. Wright is TERRIBLE. and his defense isnt that good

and dont give me any GG bullshit cause jeter has like 30. They just vote for him cause more NY writers have votes than other cities. David Wright is the most over rated player in baseball

You are just a moron

[Papi_Met_87]

wins matter to the team, of course jerkoff. But you cant look at the fact pelfrey has more wins and say oh he is doin better than halladay. Halladay has a BETTER ERA MORON.

and yes yankee fans are that boring. However Im a red sox fan. Both my parents are mets fans. I see as much, if not more mets than you. believe me i know. Again, wins dont always matter for a pitcher, ask Santana tonight. he went 8 inn, 3 hits, 0 runs, didnt get a win. Thats what i meant.

Look at ERA, halladay just gave up 7 in 4 inn to Boston and still has a better ERA. You are just a fuckin blind homer and you dont even know about your own team. Go away now, BUM

now we're getting somewhere...first of all the only homers i know about are homer simpson and when a player hits one; so excuse me if i don't understand your insult. second of all i don't care if his ERA is at 1.00 and Pelf's is at 4.32 the fact of the matter is this he's carrying around 3 losses to Pelf's 1 so thank you

[Snoogans]

now we're getting somewhere...first of all the only homers i know about are homer simpson and when a player hits one; so excuse me if i don't understand your insult. second of all i don't care if his ERA is at 1.00 and Pelf's is at 4.32 the fact of the matter is this he's carrying around 3 losses to Pelf's 1 so thank you

but you are lookin at how a pitcher pitched, not how the team did. thats why it matters. Santana would have 8 wins right now if the mets didnt blow them all, but he has pitched good. Tonight he didnt get a win and went 8 shut out innings, how can you say thats better than a guy going 7 innings and giving up 4 and gettin a win. From a team side its better, but lookin at how the pitcher pitched, the guy who went 8 and gave up nothing PITCHED BETTER. the cy young goes to the best pitcher, not the guy who had the most help from his team.

So in that case, wins actually dont matter. And a homer means you say your team is better than they are just cause they are your team

[Papi_Met_87]

how can you fuckin say that? it makes no sense. the best one in the future would prob be the complete opposite. Wright is TERRIBLE. and his defense isnt that good

and dont give me any GG bullshit cause jeter has like 30. They just vote for him cause more NY writers have votes than other cities. David Wright is the most over rated player in baseball

You are just a moron

don't know what GG bs is either but either way...how in the blue hell is wright overrated .300 + hitter with 20 - 30 homers 20 - 30 sb 100 + rbi what more do you want from the guy? doubt he can dance like papelbon

[Snoogans]

don't know what GG bs is either but either way...how in the blue hell is wright overrated .300 + hitter with 20 - 30 homers 20 - 30 sb 100 + rbi what more do you want from the guy? doubt he can dance like papelbon

umm, he hit like 10 homers last year. he is hitting 250 qand has 63 Ks in 48 games. But you say he is 300 and 20-30 homers every year and all that, see overrated even by you. moron. WATCH BASEBALL

and if you read my posts, I HATE papelbon. Cause he is a douche


and GG means gold glove. Do you even watch baseball?

[Papi_Met_87]

but you are lookin at how a pitcher pitched, not how the team did. thats why it matters. Santana would have 8 wins right now if the mets didnt blow them all, but he has pitched good. Tonight he didnt get a win and went 8 shut out innings, how can you say thats better than a guy going 7 innings and giving up 4 and gettin a win. From a team side its better, but lookin at how the pitcher pitched, the guy who went 8 and gave up nothing PITCHED BETTER. the cy young goes to the best pitcher, not the guy who had the most help from his team.

So in that case, wins actually dont matter. And a homer means you say your team is better than they are just cause they are your team

that were the case i'd be saying the mets are gonna take it all this year...i'd say that daniel murphy is a baseball GOD and that castillo is underrated

[epo]

now we're getting somewhere...first of all the only homers i know about are homer simpson and when a player hits one; so excuse me if i don't understand your insult. second of all i don't care if his ERA is at 1.00 and Pelf's is at 4.32 the fact of the matter is this he's carrying around 3 losses to Pelf's 1 so thank you

That's just insane.

[Snoogans]

that were the case i'd be saying the mets are gonna take it all this year...i'd say that daniel murphy is a baseball GOD and that castillo is underrated

you are basically doin that sayin pelfrey is better than halladay and halladay has proven nothing. He has cy youngs and throws 260+ innings a year in the HARDEST DIVISION IN THE GAME. Again, do you even watch baseball?

[Papi_Met_87]

umm, he hit like 10 homers last year. he is hitting 250 qand has 63 Ks in 48 games. But you say he is 300 and 20-30 homers every year and all that, see overrated even by you. moron. WATCH BASEBALL

and if you read my posts, I HATE papelbon. Cause he is a douche


and GG means gold glove. Do you even watch baseball?

yes i watch baseball don't pay attention to the more elaborate stats...i stick to the basics ERA AVG W-L HR SB K's BB WHIP OPS OBP, 1 bad year which I have stated previously he might need a therapist bc he hasn't played the same since the Cain incident

[epo]

In 2006 let's compare two pitchers:

Pitcher A was 18-7, with a 4.51 ERA and a 1.363 WHIP.
Pitcher B was 16-5, with a 3.19 ERA and a 1.100 WHIP.

Who was better? According to Papi_Met's logic it would be Pitcher A cuz he won more games, although its obvious that Pitcher B was better on overall numbers.

By the way, Pitcher A was Jon Garland and Pitcher B was Roy Halladay.

[Snoogans]

yes i watch baseball don't pay attention to the more elaborate stats...i stick to the basics ERA AVG W-L HR SB K's BB WHIP OPS OBP, 1 bad year which I have stated previously he might need a therapist bc he hasn't played the same since the Cain incident

1 bad season plus he blows again this year. thats not an aboration, thats a problem. And what elaborate stats, all i brought up was ERA and runs allowed. I didnt mention anything elaborate. you are just wrong and cant admit it. Dont you just hate when another teams fan knows your team better than you?

[Papi_Met_87]

you are basically doin that sayin pelfrey is better than halladay and halladay has proven nothing. He has cy youngs and throws 260+ innings a year in the HARDEST DIVISION IN THE GAME. Again, do you even watch baseball?

i'm not saying Pelf's the better pitcher; i said he's having the better year thus far so can you read?

[Snoogans]

i'm not saying Pelf's the better pitcher; i said he's having the better year thus far so can you read?

YES AND IM SAYIN HIS ERA IS HIGHER. so how can you say he is pitching better cause he gives up more earned runs per game? Just cause he gets more offense in his starts doesnt mean he is pitching better. It just means the team scores more runs. Halladay has a better era. That means less runs. The wins in that case dont matter, halladay is more effective. His offense just hasnt hit for him

[Papi_Met_87]

1 bad season plus he blows again this year. thats not an aboration, thats a problem. And what elaborate stats, all i brought up was ERA and runs allowed. I didnt mention anything elaborate. you are just wrong and cant admit it. Dont you just hate when another teams fan knows your team better than you?

you really are retarded aren't you? i was talking about your little "cute" words and initials like homer and GG no you don't know my team better than i do and if you think you do you really must be high

[epo]

i'm not saying Pelf's the better pitcher; i said he's having the better year thus far so can you read?

Pitcher A is 7-1, with a 2.54 ERA, 1.304 WHIP and 6.2K/9 IP.
Pitcher B is 6-3, with a 2.22 ERA, 1.104 WHIP and 6.8K/9 IP.

Pitcher A is Mike Pelfrey, Pitcher B is Roy Halladay.

The point isn't that Pelfrey isn't good, the point is that Roy Halladay is better. Wins are not a measuring stick for pitchers as they can't control their win number, while all of the other stats (ERA, WHIP and K/9) are all about their performance.

[Snoogans]

you really are retarded aren't you? i was talking about your little "cute" words and initials like homer and GG no you don't know my team better than i do and if you think you do you really must be high

i am high, yet ive still owned you. Go read back, everyone is tellin you you are wrong. You are wrong. and what initials are you making fun of? anyone who knows baseball just accepts gold glove. are you acting like i invented the term homer?

I know way more about the mets, their strengths and weaknesses, and what they should do than you ever could. Cause you dont open your eyes to facts

[Snoogans]

Pitcher A is 7-1, with a 2.54 ERA, 1.304 WHIP and 6.2K/9 IP.
Pitcher B is 6-3, with a 2.22 ERA, 1.104 WHIP and 6.8K/9 IP.

Pitcher A is Mike Pelfrey, Pitcher B is Roy Halladay.

The point isn't that Pelfrey isn't good, the point is that Roy Halladay is better. Wins are not a measuring stick for pitchers as they can't control stats, while all of the others (ERA, WHIP and K/9) are all about their performance.

oh wait, thats THIS SEASON. Funny the ONLY NUMBER pelfrey is close to being better in is wins. EVERY OTHER PITCHING STAT HE IS WORSE. Who is pitching better?

[Kevin]

Pitcher A 17 Wins 8 Losses 4.08 era
Pitcher B 16 Wins 8 Losses 2.16 era..


I guess Scott Feldman had a better year than Zack Grinke..

[Snoogans]

you really are retarded aren't you? i was talking about your little "cute" words and initials like homer and GG no you don't know my team better than i do and if you think you do you really must be high

and how is saying GG an elaborate stat if thats what you were actually talking about?

[Papi_Met_87]

YES AND IM SAYIN HIS ERA IS HIGHER. so how can you say he is pitching better cause he gives up more earned runs per game? Just cause he gets more offense in his starts doesnt mean he is pitching better. It just means the team scores more runs. Halladay has a better era. That means less runs. The wins in that case dont matter, halladay is more effective. His offense just hasnt hit for him

let's say the end of the season comes and halladay has an ERA of 2.94 and a record of 18-9 jimenez came back down to earth and not in the cy young race yet pelfrey has an ERA of 3.12 and a record of 24-6 who do you really think is getting the award???

[Snoogans]

let's say the end of the season comes and halladay has an ERA of 2.94 and a record of 18-9 jimenez came back down to earth and not in the cy young race yet pelfrey has an ERA of 3.12 and a record of 24-6 who do you really think is getting the award???

if pelfrey has a 3+ era and 24 wins and halladay has 18 and 2.94 pelf will prob cause thats close. But thats also 6 wins, not one, and again, NYC has more votes than other cities so of course they will get help. they have more writers.

But thats not the case. right now every stat halladay is better except wins. Thats real, not made up.

And pelfrey will never win 24 games. So just stop. Lets stick to whats actually the case, not shit thats false.

[Snoogans]

btw id like to point out pelf is having the best stretch of his career and is still on pace for 21 wins, not really close to 24. Try again though, i got all night