Athletes you hated but like now

[Snoogans]

First one that comes to mind, TONY ROMO. Man do I love Romo now. My favorite QB


I would add Michael Vick, but I already loved him. Apparently, many many people just love Mike Vick.

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I also really used to hate Allen Iverson. But now I think he is hilarious

[TheMojoPin]

Patrick Chewing.

[Snoogans]

Patrick Chewing.

I fuckin hate you

[paulisded]

Brett Favre.

[TheMojoPin]

Brett Favre.

Seconded.

[Snoogans]

i agree on Favre I think. I still hate him just by proxy of hearing his name so much, but I think its kinda funny how he is just a giant asshole who doesnt give a fuck about anything or anyone but Brett Favre.

And his Wrangler jeans

[Sinestro]

Pedro Martinez

Patrick Ewing

I didn't hate them and paid them no mind since they weren't on my team but Ken Griffey Jr. and Ichiro

[Sinestro]

Charles Smith. Everyone know he was fouled several times but no call. But if you breathe or looked at Jordan wrong, you got a whistle.

[Snoogans]

Charles Smith. Everyone know he was fouled several times but no call. But if you breathe or looked at Jordan wrong, you got a whistle.

DO YOU EVEN WATCH SPORTS. The pistons made a gameplan of hacking the shit out of jordan. Not a single guy in the NBA in the last 10 years ever took the pounding Jordan took.

Open your eyes

[Sinestro]

DO YOU EVEN WATCH SPORTS. The pistons made a gameplan of hacking the shit out of jordan. Not a single guy in the NBA in the last 10 years ever took the pounding Jordan took.

Open your eyes

So there is no such thing as "Jordan rules" enforced by NBA refs?

[Snoogans]

So there is no such thing as "Jordan rules" enforced by NBA refs?

the Jordan Rules referred to the rules the PISTONS had for defending him, meaning anytime he came inside, lay him out. That was the Jordan Rules. It wasnt refs

[Sinestro]

Mike Teel

[hedges]

Tony Dorsett

[TripleSkeet]

the Jordan Rules referred to the rules the PISTONS had for defending him, meaning anytime he came inside, lay him out. That was the Jordan Rules. It wasnt refs

What????? That is NOT the Jordan Rules.

While your absolutely right that Jordan caught a beating by the Pistons (which is why he could never beat them), that was early in his career. After he became a true great one and won a championship the "Jordan Rules" referred to the fact that any graze when he was going to the basket was automatically a foul. And that Jordan was allowed at least 3 steps without dribbling the ball where most players had to settle for 2.


My athlete would be Favre just because hes such a dick now that I love it. I always liked to root for the bad guys, what can I say?

[Snoogans]

What????? That is NOT the Jordan Rules.

While your absolutely right that Jordan caught a beating by the Pistons (which is why he could never beat them), that was early in his career. After he became a true great one and won a championship the "Jordan Rules" referred to the fact that any graze when he was going to the basket was automatically a foul. And that Jordan was allowed at least 3 steps without dribbling the ball where most players had to settle for 2.


My athlete would be Favre just because hes such a dick now that I love it. I always liked to root for the bad guys, what can I say?

The Jordan Rules were a defensive strategy employed by the Detroit Pistons against Michael Jordan in order to contain Jordan. Devised by head coach Chuck Daly in 1988, the Pistons' strategy was "to play him tough, to physically challenge him and to vary its defenses so as to try to throw him off balance. Sometimes the Pistons would overplay Jordan to keep the ball from him. Sometimes they would play him straight up, more often they would run a double-team at him as soon as he touched the ball to try to force him to give it up. And whenever he went to the basket, they made sure his path was contested". This strategy has also sometimes been employed against other prolific scoring guards. [1] The Jordan Rules were an instrumental aspect of the rivalry between the "Bad Boys" Pistons and Jordan's Chicago Bulls in the late 1980s and early 1990s.



They even wrote a book about it.

They could not have had an official difference in rules by refs for one guy. Just stop it

[Snoogans]

In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Daly described the Jordan Rules as:[2]
“ If Michael was at the point, we forced him left and doubled him. If he was on the left wing, we went immediately to a double team from the top. If he was on the right wing, we went to a slow double team. He could hurt you equally from either wing -- hell, he could hurt you from the hot-dog stand -- but we just wanted to vary the look. And if he was on the box, we doubled with a big guy.

The other rule was, any time he went by you, you had to nail him. If he was coming off a screen, nail him. We didn't want to be dirty -- I know some people thought we were -- but we had to make contact and be very physical.

[TheMojoPin]

What????? That is NOT the Jordan Rules.

While your absolutely right that Jordan caught a beating by the Pistons (which is why he could never beat them), that was early in his career. After he became a true great one and won a championship the "Jordan Rules" referred to the fact that any graze when he was going to the basket was automatically a foul. And that Jordan was allowed at least 3 steps without dribbling the ball where most players had to settle for 2.

That might have been the informal meaning some people tossed out, but "the Jordan Rules" officially referred to what Snoogans was talking about with the Pistons, plus the Knicks' attempts to contain him.

[TripleSkeet]

That might have been the informal meaning some people tossed out, but "the Jordan Rules" officially referred to what Snoogans was talking about with the Pistons, plus the Knicks' attempts to contain him.





They even wrote a book about it.

They could not have had an official difference in rules by refs for one guy. Just stop it

Well not officially, no shit. I know about the book and the origin of what they were, but the fact is in his last 8-10 years playing, plenty of people referred to the "Jordan Rules" as the shit he was allowed to get away with that most players arent. Ive even heard them called the "Kobe Rules" nowadays.

Certain things like traveling and double dribbles that referees just ignore for the star players. Watch the shot Jordan made to win his last NBA title. Youll see a perfect example of the Jordan Rules in full effect as he uses a push off to make the final shot, right in front of the referee, who does nothing.

[Kevin]

Well not officially, no shit. I know about the book and the origin of what they were, but the fact is in his last 8-10 years playing, plenty of people referred to the "Jordan Rules" as the shit he was allowed to get away with that most players arent. Ive even heard them called the "Kobe Rules" nowadays.

Certain things like traveling and double dribbles that referees just ignore for the star players. Watch the shot Jordan made to win his last NBA title. Youll see a perfect example of the Jordan Rules in full effect as he uses a push off to make the final shot, right in front of the referee, who does nothing.



Reggie Miller raped and mugged Greg Anthony, during that 4th Q comeback. Refs tend to let the big stars make thier moments when it comes to it.

[spoon]

aj burnett

[El Mudo]

The Jordan Rules were a defensive strategy employed by the Detroit Pistons against Michael Jordan in order to contain Jordan. Devised by head coach Chuck Daly in 1988, the Pistons' strategy was "to play him tough, to physically challenge him and to vary its defenses so as to try to throw him off balance. Sometimes the Pistons would overplay Jordan to keep the ball from him. Sometimes they would play him straight up, more often they would run a double-team at him as soon as he touched the ball to try to force him to give it up. And whenever he went to the basket, they made sure his path was contested". This strategy has also sometimes been employed against other prolific scoring guards. [1] The Jordan Rules were an instrumental aspect of the rivalry between the "Bad Boys" Pistons and Jordan's Chicago Bulls in the late 1980s and early 1990s.



They even wrote a book about it.

They could not have had an official difference in rules by refs for one guy. Just stop it


Which unfortunately made Robin Ficker famous

http://mentalfloss.cachefly.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/robin_ficker.jpg

[El Mudo]

My pick:

http://www.nhlsnipers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sidney_crosby.jpg


Not so much of a "like" thing as more of a "respect" thing (much in the same way I feel about Jeter). NOBODY takes more shit from the fans and the media than Sid does (he's despised by THREE different fanbases), and he just goes out there and does his thing.

Plus, Red Wings fans hate him, and if there was ever a fan base that needed to be taken down a peg or two, its Red Wings fans.

[TheMojoPin]

Reggie Miller raped and mugged Greg Anthony, during that 4th Q comeback. Refs tend to let the big stars make thier moments when it comes to it.

Yeah, that was hardly exclusive to Jordan. They were doing it for big stars before he even showed up.

[EliSnow]

What????? That is NOT the Jordan Rules.

While your absolutely right that Jordan caught a beating by the Pistons (which is why he could never beat them), that was early in his career. After he became a true great one and won a championship the "Jordan Rules" referred to the fact that any graze when he was going to the basket was automatically a foul. And that Jordan was allowed at least 3 steps without dribbling the ball where most players had to settle for 2.


My athlete would be Favre just because hes such a dick now that I love it. I always liked to root for the bad guys, what can I say?

Snoogans is right, and you are incredibly wrong: (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jack_mccallum/05/28/daly.lebron/index.html)

In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Daly described the Jordan Rules as:[2]

“ If Michael was at the point, we forced him left and doubled him. If he was on the left wing, we went immediately to a double team from the top. If he was on the right wing, we went to a slow double team. He could hurt you equally from either wing -- hell, he could hurt you from the hot-dog stand -- but we just wanted to vary the look. And if he was on the box, we doubled with a big guy.
The other rule was, any time he went by you, you had to nail him. If he was coming off a screen, nail him. We didn't want to be dirty -- I know some people thought we were -- but we had to make contact and be very physical.



EDIT: Looks like others said the same thing already.

While some may call alleged preferential treatment by refs as "Jordan Rules," the Jordan Rules were what was above. It's hilarious how you could say these weren't the Jordan Rules when there is all this stuff saying that is exactly what the Jordan Rules were.

And that SI used that term again in 2007 when talkng about Lebron.

[Ritalin]

That might have been the informal meaning some people tossed out, but "the Jordan Rules" officially referred to what Snoogans was talking about with the Pistons, plus the Knicks' attempts to contain him.

Wait, I though these were the Knicks' Jordan Rules:

1) Patrick Ewing makes a bold prediction, followed by

2) Choke and lose every single time.

(Every every single time.)

[instrument]

Todd vanpopple.

[El Mudo]

Wait, I though these were the Knicks' Jordan Rules:

1) Patrick Ewing makes a bold prediction, followed by

2) Choke and lose every single time.

(Every every single time.)



Their Scottie rules didn't work out too well either

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[foodcourtdruide]

I always thought Jordan Rules was in reference to my third favorite NKOTB member.

[TripleSkeet]

Reggie Miller raped and mugged Greg Anthony, during that 4th Q comeback. Refs tend to let the big stars make thier moments when it comes to it.

So is that what they call ignoring the rules for certain players? "Letting them make their moments"? Ugh. Thanks for reminding me why I HATE basketball.

And dont get me wrong, I know the same shit happens in hockey and sometimes football too, but its just not as game affecting or as rampant.

[KingModem]

Ray Finkle. It really wasn't his fault.

[Ritalin]

Their Scottie rules didn't work out too well either



I love that play, but I have to admit it's evened out by this:

(in fact, I'd have to put Starks in this catagory. Hated watching him play, loved watching him shoot the Knicks right out of a title, but he was a gutty little player.)

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[Donnie Iris]

Ochocinco. He initally pissed me off but now I love the guy 14 out 16 weeks a season. I swear he is Kool Keith in pads.

[Willmore]

Ochocinco. He initally pissed me off but now I love the guy 14 out 16 weeks a season. I swear he is Kool Keith in pads.

After Hard Knocks, I'm a fan.

[foodcourtdruide]

Ochocinco. He initally pissed me off but now I love the guy 14 out 16 weeks a season. I swear he is Kool Keith in pads.

I think of him more as Dr. Octagon.

[Kevin]

So is that what they call ignoring the rules for certain players? "Letting them make their moments"? Ugh. Thanks for reminding me why I HATE basketball.

And dont get me wrong, I know the same shit happens in hockey and sometimes football too, but its just not as game affecting or as rampant.



Not saying its right, just saying that its the way things go.

[TripleSkeet]

Michael Irvin. Loved him when he played for The U. Hated him when he played for Dallas. Loved him after he retired. Especially love how he gives Philly fans props when others love to pull the whole "cheering for him being crippled" line.

[Snoogans]

Wait, I though these were the Knicks' Jordan Rules:

1) Patrick Ewing makes a bold prediction, followed by

2) Choke and lose every single time.

(Every every single time.)

Those were the Knicks rules. And Mojo wonders why i cant stand fuckin Patrick Chewing. Set that commercial in game 7 of a playoff series, and Patrick Chewing woulda had that shit rejected by that pussy Ryan

[Snoogans]

I love that play, but I have to admit it's evened out by this:

(in fact, I'd have to put Starks in this catagory. Hated watching him play, loved watching him shoot the Knicks right out of a title, but he was a gutty little player.)

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ok, im a knicks fan, can we please stop? Starks DUNKED ON HORACE GRANT. Jordan was coming over to help and was barely there. Starks did not dunk on jordan. Just fuckin stop.


Maybe if he had tried to dunk one of the 65 shots he missed against Houston, I wouldnt be so angry

[KnoxHarrington]

After Hard Knocks, I'm a fan.

There's a sort of playfulness and self-awareness with Ochocinco that Terrell Owens has never had. With T.O., there's a hostile, really mean-spirited edge to his plays for attention. I can't imagine Ochocinco ever throwing Carson Palmer under the bus the way Owens has thrown every QB he's played with under the bus.

[Snoogans]

There's a sort of playfulness and self-awareness with Ochocinco that Terrell Owens has never had. With T.O., there's a hostile, really mean-spirited edge to his plays for attention. I can't imagine Ochocinco ever throwing Carson Palmer under the bus the way Owens has thrown every QB he's played with under the bus.

when I hear chad, i get the feeling he is selfish in his own shit, wants to be seen and heard, and wants to put on a show. but most important, he seems to want to win. If they win by 20 and he only catches 2 passes, he always seemed fine with that. Thats why I dont hate Chad like I do TO and them

[Snoogans]

Why does NY do that with all its plays? Somehow Starks dunked on Jordan, and jeter made this amazing catch while diving into the stands and hitting his face on a chair.

Only starks wasnt anywhere close to dunking on Jordan, and Jeter caught that ball IN FAIR TERRITORY. He jumped into the crowd a second or 2 after he had caught the ball and recorded the out. Ballsy, yes, diving into the seats to make a catch, not even fuckin close.

How come NY fans just cant remember how shit actually happened?

[Sinestro]

Joe Namath guarenteed the Jets were going to win Superbowl III

[Snoogans]

Joe Namath guarenteed the Jets were going to win Superbowl III

and then proceeded to do DICK to help them win it.

Worst HOFer ever. GET HIM OUT

[Donnie Iris]

I think of him more as Dr. Octagon.

That or Rev. Tom

[foodcourtdruide]

Why does NY do that with all its plays? Somehow Starks dunked on Jordan, and jeter made this amazing catch while diving into the stands and hitting his face on a chair.

Only starks wasnt anywhere close to dunking on Jordan, and Jeter caught that ball IN FAIR TERRITORY. He jumped into the crowd a second or 2 after he had caught the ball and recorded the out. Ballsy, yes, diving into the seats to make a catch, not even fuckin close.

How come NY fans just cant remember how shit actually happened?

I never understood why Jeter suddenly became Tommy Dreamer and did a headfirst dive into a plastic/metal. I guess he didn't want to stop himself with his waist on the security wall?

[TripleSkeet]

Why does NY do that with all its plays? Somehow Starks dunked on Jordan, and jeter made this amazing catch while diving into the stands and hitting his face on a chair.

Only starks wasnt anywhere close to dunking on Jordan, and Jeter caught that ball IN FAIR TERRITORY. He jumped into the crowd a second or 2 after he had caught the ball and recorded the out. Ballsy, yes, diving into the seats to make a catch, not even fuckin close.

How come NY fans just cant remember how shit actually happened?

This man speaks the truth. But at least Babe Ruth really called his home run and pointed exactly where he was going to hit it. Right?

[Ritalin]

Why does NY do that with all its plays? Somehow Starks dunked on Jordan, and jeter made this amazing catch while diving into the stands and hitting his face on a chair.

Only starks wasnt anywhere close to dunking on Jordan, and Jeter caught that ball IN FAIR TERRITORY. He jumped into the crowd a second or 2 after he had caught the ball and recorded the out. Ballsy, yes, diving into the seats to make a catch, not even fuckin close.

How come NY fans just cant remember how shit actually happened?

It's not just New York. Chicago is downright cowtown about it's teams.

[SHANEFROMGA]

used to hate jeff gordon, but now i like him okay.....mainly cause little e fans hate him, so that makes him good in my book.

[newport king]

kimbo slice.
thought every clip i ever watched was garbage. now i like him.

sean avery.
sloppy seconds line won me over.

jeter.
i still hate him but he is good...however he took 3 steps and dove into the stands...and i still say giambi was safe on that swipe tag.

[TripleSkeet]

kimbo slice.
thought every clip i ever watched was garbage. now i like him.


Im with you on this one.

I hated him before, but the guy is truly humble and hes working his ass off to try and be legit. Its not his fault people were throwing money at him to try and hype him off his youtube videos.

The main reason I like him now is because hes the underdog and all the MMA diehards fucking hate him. Probably the same reason I love Lesnar. The fact that he is the champ pisses those douchebags off to no end.

[spoon]

So is that what they call ignoring the rules for certain players? "Letting them make their moments"? Ugh. Thanks for reminding me why I HATE basketball.

And dont get me wrong, I know the same shit happens in hockey and sometimes football too, but its just not as game affecting or as rampant.

First off, I meant to put AJ Burnett in the other thread, not this one.

Second, I so agree on basketball being awful, but those things surely happen for big stars in every sport. Anyone watching the Pats game and Brady flops-a-lot against the Raves this week realizes it. Wow, just wow.

[spoon]

Peyton Manning fits here for me.

[TripleSkeet]

First off, I meant to put AJ Burnett in the other thread, not this one.

Second, I so agree on basketball being awful, but those things surely happen for big stars in every sport. Anyone watching the Pats game and Brady flops-a-lot against the Raves this week realizes it. Wow, just wow.

Oh I agree it happens in football and even more in hockey. Its just in those sports its not as often and doesnt always lead to points on the board.

When guys like Sidney Crosby flop after being bumped and a ref calls a penalty, its ridiculous but it doesnt guarantee Pitt will get a point out of it. Same for when they sneeze in the direction of Bradys knee and the ref throws a flag.

[Snoogans]

Oh I agree it happens in football and even more in hockey. Its just in those sports its not as often and doesnt always lead to points on the board.

When guys like Sidney Crosby flop after being bumped and a ref calls a penalty, its ridiculous but it doesnt guarantee Pitt will get a point out of it. Same for when they sneeze in the direction of Bradys knee and the ref throws a flag.

you should prob flip back on an NBA game. Its changing back. They allow alot more contact and guys get punished a bit more now. Bron gets cracked a good 5 times a game. The refs blow is also the other problem. This have gotten better, but once the playoffs come, the stars start to get calls again.

They are improving but its not perfect yet

[TripleSkeet]

you should prob flip back on an NBA game. Its changing back. They allow alot more contact and guys get punished a bit more now. Bron gets cracked a good 5 times a game. The refs blow is also the other problem. This have gotten better, but once the playoffs come, the stars start to get calls again.

They are improving but its not perfect yet

The playoffs is usually the only time I watch, if at all. Thats probably why I never see anything change. I work all the home Sixers and Flyers games, so I rarely get to watch alot of either sport right now.

[Snoogans]

The playoffs is usually the only time I watch, if at all. Thats probably why I never see anything change. I work all the home Sixers and Flyers games, so I rarely get to watch alot of either sport right now.

well, this year should get fun. Replacement refs, baby

[disneyspy]

donovan mcnabb-ive disliked him since he joined the with the eagles but the way he turned his play around after being benched last year showed alot of growth and i have to admire that,i still hope he gets injured and the eagles have a bad year but i no longer hate him

[underdog]

Rae Carruth.

[TheMojoPin]

Dennis Rodman. Hated him before he played for the Bulls, largely because he punched the living fuck out of Pippen on the court while he was with the Pistons, but then, well, you know the rest.

[Snoogans]

donovan mcnabb-ive disliked him since he joined the with the eagles but the way he turned his play around after being benched last year showed alot of growth and i have to admire that,i still hope he gets injured and the eagles have a bad year but i no longer hate him

you want him to get hurt cause you are one of the many many people who just love Mike Vick

[Ritalin]

Dennis Rodman. Hated him before he played for the Bulls, largely because he punched the living fuck out of Pippen on the court while he was with the Pistons, but then, well, you know the rest.

Yeah, I couldn't get with that. It was hard to watch.

I've come around on LeBron. I just felt it was too much, too soon. I wasn't buying the hype. But I really like the way he's handled himself.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, I couldn't get with that. It was hard to watch.

Madness. For a championship I'll happily watch Hitler ripping it up on my team. ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

[disneyspy]

you want him to get hurt cause you are one of the many many people who just love Mike Vick

i liked him when he was a falcon,now i hate him cuz he's an iggle

[Snoogans]

Yeah, I couldn't get with that. It was hard to watch.

I've come around on LeBron. I just felt it was too much, too soon. I wasn't buying the hype. But I really like the way he's handled himself.

plus he gave matt damon and the kids 1 million bucks.