Jay Leno at Teno

[lleeder]

How long will this last?

[A.J.]

One day is too long.

[Furtherman]

I see it going the same way Millionaire did, with a hot start and then it'll flutter out to maybe one day a week or quarterly specials within a year.

[Kevin]

If Conans #s continue to be low and drop, i could see Leno going back to the Tonight Show.

[~Katja~]

eh... maybe a year... I prefer Fergusen over Leno any day...

[pennington]

Nobody thought he would last on The Tonight Show either. I think his show will be around a long time.

[lleeder]

He's facing no one here are the other 10 pm shows.

Monday

ABC-Castle
CBS-CSI: Miami
CW-local news
FOX-local news

Tuesday

ABC- The Forgotten
CBS- The Good Wife
CW- local news
FOX- local news

Wednesday

ABC- Eastwick
CBS- CSI: New York
CW- local news
FOX- local news

Thursday

ABC- Private Practice
CBS- The Mentalist
CW- local news
FOX- local news

Friday

ABC- 20/20
CBS- Numbers
CW- local news
FOX- local news

[Furtherman]

eh... maybe a year... I prefer Fergusen over Leno any day...

Damn right!

As for his competition.... yea, that's really easy competition.

[Doogie]

eh... maybe a year... I prefer Fergusen over Leno any day...

I concur...that Craig Ferguson is one funny SOB

[SatCam]

As long as there are stupid criminals, Jay Leno will have a show

[cougarjake13]

the csi shows do farely well but other than that theres no much comp


i think a year is a good gauge to see how he does after the initial newness

[STC-Dub]

The show is a cheap way for NBC ti fill up 5 (4?) hours of prime time per week. I do not expect the show to be good but they will give it a couple of years.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

Is "Teno" just a real douchy way to say ten o'clock?













How 'bout a slice of za, bra?

[led37zep]

Is "Teno" just a real douchy way to say ten o'clock?



You're soooooooo 2008

[OGC]

This thread should be titled Jay Lendo at Tendo.

[A.J.]

As long as there are stupid viewers, Jay Leno will have a show

Fixed that for you.

[K.C.]

Conan's screwed. Leno's totally going to cannibalize his audience.

People aren't sitting through two of these shows a night.

[epo]

Conan's screwed. Leno's totally going to cannibalize his audience.

People aren't sitting through two of these shows a night.

I agree with you and disagree with you. This is about demographics.

NBC has this set up really smart:

The Baby Boomers can watch Leno, the news and go to bed.
Generation X can watch Conan
Generation Y can watch Fallon

It seems they are the only ones who get this. I love Ferguson, but he's not in the right slot for his generational appeal.

[Kevin]

Conan's screwed. Leno's totally going to cannibalize his audience.

People aren't sitting through two of these shows a night.

Thats a fair point..

[instrument]

I say it goes well and they move letterman to the same slot thus making conan the late night show again.

[TheMojoPin]

Wow, I had no idea Conan's ratings were so horrible. Leno is a horrible lead-in for the type of show Conan puts on. He might be fucked.

[KnoxHarrington]

The big risk for NBC I see is affiliate revolt. They've already had a couple of stations try to bow out, and had to bitch-slap them with threats of pulling their affiliation. But if Leno's ratings suck, and start hurting the late news on some of these stations, which is one of the local stations' cash cows, even that threat might not be enough.

[KEITHJAY]

I thought Teno was a pretentious restaurant in L.A..

[underdog]

Wow, I had no idea Conan's ratings were so horrible. Leno is a horrible lead-in for the type of show Conan puts on. He might be fucked.

Are you being sarcastic?

[ToiletCrusher]

Wow, I had no idea Conan's ratings were so horrible. Leno is a horrible lead-in for the type of show Conan puts on. He might be fucked.

Especially considering that Leno will be the lead in for the news and not directly for Conan.

There will be a residual effect boosting Conan's ratings but not anything fantastic.

[TheMojoPin]

Are you being sarcastic?

Not at all. I didn't know Conan's numbers were that bad. I don't see how he's going to draw in Leno's demographics. Seemed like Conan would have have had a better shot of drawing leftovers from shit like ER and then the news than a Leno-news combo.

[K.C.]

I agree with you and disagree with you. This is about demographics.

NBC has this set up really smart:

The Baby Boomers can watch Leno, the news and go to bed.
Generation X can watch Conan
Generation Y can watch Fallon

It seems they are the only ones who get this. I love Ferguson, but he's not in the right slot for his generational appeal.

Conan does have a different audience than Jay, but I'm sure there are people who habitually watch the Tonight Show that have just stuck with Conan. Those people will probably go back to Jay and then shut off the TV for the night after the news.

Conan will still have 'his audience,' but as we're seeing, that's not close enough to overtake Dave.

So Leno siphons off some of the holdovers that Conan kept when he took over, Conan's ratings get slightly worse, Dave holds steady.


As for whether Leno's successful, consider what he's going up against (FOX and CW run local news at 10 five nights a week, except for special events (i.e. World Series)):

Monday:

ABC: Castle
CBS: CSI Miami
ESPN: Monday Night Football

Tuesday

ABC: The Forgotten
CBS: The Good Wife

Wednesday

ABC: Eastwick
CBS: CSI NY

Thursday

ABC: Private Practice
CBS: The Mentalist

Friday

ABC: 20/20
CBS: Numbers



There's really not much there. Monday Night Football is tough, but by the 10PM hour, half those games could be blowouts.

I think CBS will continue to do well with their crime drama stuff, but ABC's schedule is absolute shit.

If Leno beats ABC's lineup, it'll be view as a huge success, and honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if ABC dumped its 10PM hour if their schedule fails miserably this year.

I don't think Leno has to worry about Idol, because it's off the air before he's on and then FOX runs local news.

MLB playoffs and certain MNF nights could be rough, but I think this is almost fool proof unless the show is just beyond horrendous.

[underdog]

Not at all. I didn't know Conan's numbers were that bad. I don't see how he's going to draw in Leno's demographics. Seemed like Conan would have have had a better shot of drawing leftovers from shit like ER and then the news than a Leno-news combo.

Jay Leno has been Conan's lead in for like the last 20 years.

[GregoryJoseph]

This is a fantastic thread title.

[TheMojoPin]

Jay Leno has been Conan's lead in for like the last 20 years.

Right, but Conan was on at 12:30 and wasn't hosting The Tonight Show.

[tele7]

Off to a really rough start. That "car wash" bit was brutal.

[JerseyRich]

I'm still waiting to crack a smile.

[JerseyRich]

This is the SAME FUCKING SHOW!!!!!


Just with longer TERRIBLE comedy bits.

[GregoryJoseph]

This is the SAME FUCKING SHOW!!!!!


Just with longer TERRIBLE comedy bits.

He's doing Saturday Night Live?

[~Katja~]

This is the SAME FUCKING SHOW!!!!!


Just with longer TERRIBLE comedy bits.

calm down, negative nelly!

[JerseyRich]

calm down, negative nelly!

I WON'T I WON'T I WON'T!

[JerseyRich]

He's doing Saturday Night Live?

He comes out...does a monologue...goes to some comedy bits...WHICH WERE NOT FUNNY...Now he's interviewing Seinfeld.

SAME SHIT!

[RhinoinMN]

The Dan Band wasn't that terrible.

[JerseyRich]

The Dan Band wasn't that terrible.


Haha. Well there's a ringing endorsement.

[IMSlacker]

He comes out...does a monologue...goes to some comedy bits...WHICH WERE NOT FUNNY...Now he's interviewing Seinfeld.

SAME SHIT!

There's no desk. Totally different.

[IMSlacker]

Ooph. This fake Obama interview is terribly hacky.

[JerseyRich]

There's no desk. Totally different.

haha!

Finally, I laughed. thank you.


I still can't figure out why the audience would be laughing at any of this? Are they all drunk or are they just piping in laughter from another audience.

[Recyclerz]

Well, I hate it already.


I'm sure that means it will be a relatively big hit.

[JerseyRich]

Well, I hate it already.


I'm sure that means it will be a relatively big hit.

Judging by the audience, you'd think they were all sitting on feathers.

I didn't ever think the Tonight Show was funny with him...and this is a repackaged version of that. Might be even less funny.

[JerseyRich]

Holy Shit...I think Kanye is going to cry.

He is such a giant dildo.

[JerseyRich]

holy Shit....


He Is Crying!!!


jay Leno Is The Shit!

[IMSlacker]

Well, watching Kanye West cry is sort of interesting.

[Recyclerz]

Do we call in for a prize if Kanye cries?

[JerseyRich]

Do we call in for a prize if Kanye cries?

Everyone wins when Kanye cries.

[TooLowBrow]

kanye is 6 years old


and leno is his dad

[mikeyboy]

Lendo

Get it right.

[PapaBear]

Ahh... the desk.

[IMSlacker]

There's no desk. Totally different.

Well, fuck. The desk is back and he's doing headlines. Same show.

[~Katja~]

haha I love how the news channel praises the show

[Sue_Bender]

The show stunk. :thumbdown:

[joeybadass]

the only people who like that old chinny jerk are old people and queers.

[BullsLawDan]

He's facing no one here are the other 10 pm shows.

Monday

ABC-Castle
CBS-CSI: Miami
CW-local news
FOX-local news

Tuesday

ABC- The Forgotten
CBS- The Good Wife
CW- local news
FOX- local news

Wednesday

ABC- Eastwick
CBS- CSI: New York
CW- local news
FOX- local news

Thursday

ABC- Private Practice
CBS- The Mentalist
CW- local news
FOX- local news

Friday

ABC- 20/20
CBS- Numbers
CW- local news
FOX- local news

What fucking year is this dude? You think all he's "facing" are the networks?

And the seven people who said this mess would go beyond 6 years... I hope to god you voted before you watched tonight.

[JerseyRich]

the only people who like that old chinny jerk are old people and queers.


Fez probably jerked off the whole time.


kidding, of course.

Shame on Fez if he actually sat through this whole horror show.

[pennington]

It was just the first show, give them time to relax.

Jim Norton will be a regular contributor. I'm sure there will be a lot of inappropriate moments with him (which Leno always seems to enjoy).

[lleeder]

What fucking year is this dude? You think all he's "facing" are the networks?

And the seven people who said this mess would go beyond 6 years... I hope to god you voted before you watched tonight.

sorry i didn't have the time or the knowledge to list every show on all channels in existance

[JerseyRich]

sorry i didn't have the time or the knowledge to list every show on all channels in existance

Just admit it. You're lazy.

[~Katja~]

I was amazed to hear the ratings supposedly were even higher than his last show.

[KnoxHarrington]

The reviews are in, and they are not kind.

Monday's premiere of "The Jay Leno Show," which transports the longtime "Tonight Show" host to 10 p.m. EDT weekdays on NBC, was slammed as a "cut-rate, snooze-inducing, rehashed bore" by Robert Bianco of USA Today. And that was even with the presence of Leno's much-buzzed-about guest Kanye West.

The Associated Press' Frazier Moore identified "the biggest difference between Leno's new show and his old one: With his fade-out at 11 p.m., the local news began."

Of course, Leno has never been the critics' darling. The first response from viewers wouldn't be known until Nielsen ratings are released later Tuesday.

But audience numbers aren't likely to sway The Los Angeles Times' Mary McNamara, who called the show "a strange, shallow puddle of comedy."

"This is the future of television?" she wrote. "This wasn't even a good rendition of television past."

"The future of `The Jay Leno Show' is likely to look almost exactly like `The Tonight Show' past," complained Alessandra Stanley of The New York Times. "So much ink has been devoted to describing how Mr. Leno's new show would depart from his old one that it was startling to see how little difference there was."

I'm a little surprised at how similar the new show is to The Tonight Show.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/ap_en_ot/us_aftermath_leno_premiere;_ylt=ArBmtI3IsGWmS1ViP7 wsSVlxFb8C;_ylu=X3oDMTJydW92dThqBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMD kwOTE1L3VzX2FmdGVybWF0aF9sZW5vX3ByZW1pZXJlBGNwb3MD MQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNjcml0aWNzc2 xhbWw-

[hammersavage]

About 17.7 million Americans tuned in for Leno's new show Monday, according to early numbers from Nielsen Media. Roughly 5 million used to regularly watch his old “Tonight Show.

I hope you are all proud of yourselves.

[KnoxHarrington]

OK, the real fall season has begun, Leno's show is now facing competition from new episodes of shows, and not reruns, so how's he doing?

Well...

Ever since the fall TV season began in earnest Sept. 21, the former king of late night has been getting his keister kicked in primetime. He’s finished in last place every single night, with his numbers falling steadily and hitting a new low of 4.5 million viewers on Monday. Over those first two weeks, he represents a 25% dropoff from NBC’s 10pm offerings last year.

This can't be fully unexpected, but it's hard to see how NBC can sustain this forever, even if the show is apparently really, really cheap.

And there's also this problem, which might be a bigger issue...


In cities including Nielsen’s top five markets - New York, Chicago, Philly, Los Angeles, and Dallas - the late news on NBC affiliates has lost tens of thousands of viewers. The 11pm news on NBC’s Los Angeles station fell 30% in ratings compared with the same week last year, while Philly lost 32% and Dallas lost 33%.

If big affiliates see this show harming their late news, one of their big cash cows, there's going to be a revolt. This could get ugly.

http://www.newser.com/story/71174/lenos-ratings-tumble.html

http://www.mediabuyerplanner.com/entry/45610/nbc-affiliates-lose-viewers-following-leno/

[topless_mike]

in my opinion, this is a cost savings option for the network.

economy sucks, right? companies are probably slashing their marketing budgets. less money to spend on commercials during primetime. less money for commercials means the network needs to cut their spending.
although im sure jay leno makes a hefty paycheck, i would be very surprised if it was more than it would be to order 5 other shows to air.
the successful shows were all kept and moved to 9pm, along with whatever new garbage they have. the dead weight was dropped, or sold off to other networks (Medium, for example- now on cbs)

so nbc gets to save money and retain leno for his star power with him doing the same schtick that's been working for him for the past 20 years. i think this lasts until the economy picks back up.

its genius.

[KnoxHarrington]

in my opinion, this is a cost savings option for the network.

economy sucks, right? companies are probably slashing their marketing budgets. less money to spend on commercials during primetime. less money for commercials means the network needs to cut their spending.
although im sure jay leno makes a hefty paycheck, i would be very surprised if it was more than it would be to order 5 other shows to air.
the successful shows were all kept and moved to 9pm, along with whatever new garbage they have. the dead weight was dropped, or sold off to other networks (Medium, for example- now on cbs)

so nbc gets to save money and retain leno for his star power with him doing the same schtick that's been working for him for the past 20 years. i think this lasts until the economy picks back up.

its genius.

But there's gotta be some minimum rating they need here.

And if this fucks with the rest of their programming -- and even with affiliate programming -- is the money saved worth it?

[topless_mike]

But there's gotta be some minimum rating they need here.

And if this fucks with the rest of their programming -- and even with affiliate programming -- is the money saved worth it?

has any tv network ever made a rational decision?

[IMSlacker]

I just turned this on, and he's doing Stupid Human Tricks. WTF?

[K.C.]

I was browsing the NBC website tonight, and I looked at the Leno show and something struck me...

His last couple of weeks of headliner guests:
-Dr. Phil
-Michelle Obama
-Hillary Swank
-Rainn Wilson
-Martha Stewart
-Rod Stewart
-Rachel Griffiths
-Matt Lauer
-Bill Cosby
-John C. Reilly
-Dana Carvey
-Terry Bradshaw

With the exception of Michelle Obama, and maybe Rainn Wilson, WTF??

I thought Leno said he wanted to play 'star-maker' and help up and coming performers get recognized when he announced he was coming back.

Wouldn't that require him to go out and find the up and coming stars who aren't quite getting the recognition they deserve and bring them on?

That more than anything is why this show is getting crushed. Not only is there nothing new, the last couple weeks looks like 90s reruns.

[Seinfez]

after me and oprah its been all downhill for the guestlist

[pennington]

I thought Leno said he wanted to play 'star-maker' and help up and coming performers get recognized when he announced he was coming back.

Wouldn't that require him to go out and find the up and coming stars who aren't quite getting the recognition they deserve and bring them on?

That's what they're doing with the segment after the monologue (with mixed results, at best). It was always said they would have celebrities on.

[oh_kee_pa]

please... get this guy a desk... he looks so uncomfortable in that chair

[dino_electropolis]

finally caught this shit last nite....ewan mcgregor racing around a track in the back yard???

(worst part was mcgregor got out of the car dissapointed with his terrible time , and he actually placed 2nd on the list.....what a hollywood douche!)


what shite!

[fezident]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/news/bal-jay-leno-1102,0,737142.story


Fez will be so happy....

[KnoxHarrington]

Leno does this whole nice guy act, but he's always seemed like kind of a douche to me. And this kind of goes to that: way to throw Conan under the bus, you ass.

[Gay Lendo]

Thank God nobody was watching that. I just did biggest loser talent show and it was an embarassment. Two guys danced,one whore did dolphin and pig noises,then some guy snapped a football from 3 feet away through my big head. No wonder CSI is ass raping me. Gary Sinise makes me moist.

[Furtherman]

Anyone else as good as picking the late night line-up like Fez?

Not me, I picked 18 months. What the hell was I thinking? I could have sworn I picked 6 months.

[IMSlacker]

18 months for me too.

Congrats to Fallon, foodcourtdruide, Gritty, King Hippos Bandaid, opie's twisted balls and SHANEFROMGA.

[opie's twisted balls]

its the curse of Jimmy

[Son of Muta]

Leno does this whole nice guy act, but he's always seemed like kind of a douche to me. And this kind of goes to that: way to throw Conan under the bus, you ass.

Comic George Lopez got pretty serious Wednesday on Orlando station WOMX 105.1’s “Scott & Erica Show” when he told the radio hosts he wanted to “start a feud” with “Tonight” show host Jay Leno. “Leno is the biggest two-faced dude in TV,” said Lopez. Though he was unclear as to why he felt this way, sources said Lopez was offended by Leno’s attitude after the ABC sitcom star had a kidney transplant in 2005. Leno invited him on his show after the surgery - but hasn’t had Lopez back since then. Leno’s producers supposedly told Lopez it was because he wasn’t funny enough the first time. “When I had my transplant, he called me and was the nice guy on the phone,” dished Lopez. “And then he just puts the knife in your back . . . It tells you something about Jay Leno if Conan O’Brien is coming into ‘The Tonight Show’ [in 2009] when Jay Leno is still young enough to be the host,” catted Lopez. “The dude’s, like, the worst interviewer on TV.” A Leno flack had no comment.

Leno supposedly introduced Lopez at a comedy club as Paul Rodriguez, as well.

[pennington]

Wait, so Leno personally calls Lopez after his operation. Then he has Lopez on his show. Now Lopez is publicly bitching because he hasn't been on again? What an ass-wipe. If I was Leno's producer, Lopez would never be on again.

[KnoxHarrington]

I thought they'd at least give it a year out of sheer desperation, and to try to avoid the clusterfuck they ended up with of having to find a slot for Leno back in late night.

Sounds like they had a true affiliates' revolt on their hands if they kept this on longer than they did.

[Contra]

Wait, so Leno personally calls Lopez after his operation. Then he has Lopez on his show. Now Lopez is publicly bitching because he hasn't been on again? What an ass-wipe. If I was Leno's producer, Lopez would never be on again.

I think it was less not having him on and more the explanation of "you're not funny".

[opie's twisted balls]

Leno invited him on his show after the surgery - but hasn’t had Lopez back since then.
Sorry Beaner but I've never been on the Tonight Show so not much sympathy from me.

[pennington]

the explanation of "you're not funny".

Gee, even Lopez can't argue that point.

[landarch]

I've said it before in other threads, and I'll say it again in this (and probably others). I don't understand the hate for the show. I love it and watch it every night. He gets big names consistently, there are few, if any, reruns. Sure some of the jokes might miss, but he's doing a rapid-fire show for five hours a week. The man puts in work and is getting no respect for it.

I know I'm in the minority on this. It is, however, the only show I can think of on network television that I find watchable. It's nice winding down the evening with something comfortable like this, instead of having to wait until 11 or 11:30 for John Stewart or Dave Letterman. I'll still DVR the show but will probably delete more of them than I watch.

[Recyclerz]

Conan says fuck 12:05. Can't link from my phone so search, search, hurry up and search.

[EliSnow]

Conan says fuck 12:05. Can't link from my phone so search, search, hurry up and search.

It was posted in the Conan thread.

[disneyspy]

from 5 minutes ago on jimmy's twitter

JimNorton Taped a round table segment tonight for Leno, for the end of the episode. As usual, I look handsome and make love to the camera. NOT!!!!
5 minutes ago from Tweetie

[Son of Muta]

Add Patton Oswalt

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[pennington]

Wow, I usually like Patton Oswalt but he comes off as a dick in that clip. I'm sure there's a reason, like Conan had Patton on his show one more time than Jay did.

[KnoxHarrington]

According to TMZ (yeah, I know, I know), Leno will return to the Tonight Show at 11:35, and Conan O'Brien is out.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/14/jay-leno-conan-obrien-nbc-the-tonight-show/

Massive mistake. Conan has emerged as the clear winner here, and Leno is damaged goods.

Or maybe Letterman's the winner after all.

[EliSnow]

According to TMZ (yeah, I know, I know), Leno will return to the Tonight Show at 11:35, and Conan O'Brien is out.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/14/jay-leno-conan-obrien-nbc-the-tonight-show/

Massive mistake. Conan has emerged as the clear winner here, and Leno is damaged goods.

Or maybe Letterman's the winner after all.

This doesn't surprise me in the least. And I would bet that the Tonight Show ratings go up with Leno.

I don't like him, but the rubes do.

[topless_mike]

According to TMZ (yeah, I know, I know), Leno will return to the Tonight Show at 11:35, and Conan O'Brien is out.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/14/jay-leno-conan-obrien-nbc-the-tonight-show/

Massive mistake. Conan has emerged as the clear winner here, and Leno is damaged goods.

Or maybe Letterman's the winner after all.

letterman is having a field day with this.
all this is doing is raising curiosity of the viewers for the conan and leno shows, which they hope will raise viewership. it will last until the first show for leno back to the tonite show (if thats true), then thats it.

[epo]

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It really speaks for itself.

[KnoxHarrington]

I think NBC is really underestimating how damaged Leno's reputation is right now. They seem to make the assumption he'll come back with the same numbers he had before, and I don't think that's a safe bet. After all, while this whole fiasco has put the ratings of the other late night shows through the roof, Leno's ratings are only showing a modest increase...and Conan's actually getting better ratings now.

He'll be back at 11:35, but it won't be the same show.

[EliSnow]

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It really speaks for itself.

Is Jay short for Janus?

[epo]

Is Jay short for Janus?

If so, that would explain the massive amount of chin.

[aceofspades7]

leno is a scumbag backstabbing joke stealer

[brettmojo]

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[tele7]

http://www.bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/conan-obrien.jpg

your moms box :bye:

[Dan 'Hampton]

With stern bitching about leno stealing his stuff am I the only one who couldn't give a shit less about two old guys that I don't belive put on an interesting show?

[pennington]

With stern bitching about leno stealing his stuff am I the only one who couldn't give a shit less about two old guys that I don't belive put on an interesting show?

Stern still has a bug up his ass about Stuttering John going to work at the Tonight Show. Get over it.

[Dan 'Hampton]

It reflects bad on stern when the bits he claimed were stolen suck. Two old men I won't waste my time listening to. They skew too old for me.

[dereckfishboy]

With stern bitching about leno stealing his stuff am I the only one who couldn't give a shit less about two old guys that I don't belive put on an interesting show?

It reflects bad on stern when the bits he claimed were stolen suck. Two old men I won't waste my time listening to. They skew too old for me.

I think I'm starting to see your point, but you should say the word "old" at least six or seven more times to drive it home

[ShowerBench]

Leno won because he's better at The Tonight Show.
The Tonight Show is mostly for people who go to bed at 11 and they don't want a 7' albino redhead to be the last thing they see before they fall asleep.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I hear laughing before sleep isn't good for the elderly. This fits into your theory.

[mikeyboy]

Leno won because he's better at The Tonight Show.
The Tonight Show is mostly for people who go to bed at 11 and they don't want a 7' albino redhead to be the last thing they see before they fall asleep.

Seriously? It all comes down to failure, not who is better. Leno failed far, far worse at 10:00 than Conan did at 11:30. If NBC didn't have to figure out what to do with the bloated corpse of Leno, I'm sure they would have given Conan more time as the host of the Tonight Show. Witness how much time they gave him in the Late Night slot after he came out of the gates really shaky.

To say that Leno won is giving him far too much credit.

[ShowerBench]

Seriously? It all comes down to failure, not who is better. Leno failed far, far worse at 10:00 than Conan did at 11:30. If NBC didn't have to figure out what to do with the bloated corpse of Leno, I'm sure they would have given Conan more time as the host of the Tonight Show. Witness how much time they gave him in the Late Night slot after he came out of the gates really shaky.

To say that Leno won is giving him far too much credit.

I agree that it comes down to success vs failure as defined by ratings and revenue for NBC, and that's what I am referring to when I say Leno is "better at The Tonight Show" than Conan.

The Tonight Show is the 11:35pm show, not the 10pm or 12:35 am show. Leno outperformed Conan at 11:35.

Why did NBC have to figure out what to do with Leno after firing him for failing in the 10 pm slot? Even Leno himself said they had no obligation to offer him the Tonight Show OR allow him to continue at 10. They returned him to the tonight show because they didn't have a good reason not to do it, including CoCo's hurt feelings.

It was a choice between a "hope" that Conan would start bringing better numbers and confidence that Leno would based on his successful record vs Letterman.

Not sure how giving Conan more time to establish himself in the Late Night spot is relevant. There wasn't another, proven 12:35 talent available, but if CBS fired Letterman, he wanted Late Night back, and there were no legal obstacles, that would have been the end of Conan on Late Night.

[pennington]

It was a choice between a "hope" that Conan would start bringing better numbers and confidence that Leno would based on his successful record vs Letterman.

It wasn't just Letterman. Nightline's ratings were way up. Reruns on channels 5 and 11 were beating Conan.

If NBC thought Conan would turn things around, they clearly would have thrown Leno under the bus again. It cost them $42 million to buy out Conan. Leno asked to be released from his contract, they could have dumped him for $0.

[Fallon]

Leno: Ratings down (http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/blog/2010/09/tonight_with_le.html?p1=Upbox_links)

the all-important advertiser-loving 18-49 demographic. Indeed, Leno's 18-49 ratings are 23 percent lower this summer than they were when Conan O'Brien was hosting the show last year.

Great!!

[KnoxHarrington]

Leno: Ratings down (http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/blog/2010/09/tonight_with_le.html?p1=Upbox_links)



Great!!

Leno just ended up looking so bad in that whole thing. He was the only one not getting comedy gold out of it (well, except for Jimmy Fallon, who very wisely sat it out). Letterman was rejuvenated, Jimmy Kimmel got some great material out of it, and I think Craig Ferguson really put himself on that map during that whole debacle. Meanwhile, Leno's material on it was mean-spirited and stale.

His reputation has been permanently damaged, I think.

[hanso]

Won't mater to me. Which ever show gets plugged in for the replay. Is fine by me. It has switched Fallon/Leno.