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NewYorkDragons80
01-20-2002, 03:58 PM
After 8 years of selling our secrets to the Chinese, the tables have turned.

CBS) BEIJING, Jan. 19, 2002
The discovery of spying devices embedded in Chinese President Jiang Zemin's U.S.-made jetliner has not derailed President Bush's planned trip to China next month, Secretary of State Colin Powell said Sunday.

Powell, asked to comment on reports that some 27 listening devices were discovered last autumn on the Boeing 767, said he has not had discussions with Chinese counterparts and declined further comment on the "so-called matter."

"We simply don't comment on these sorts of matters. In my discussions with Chinese leaders, this has never been raised," Powell said on "Fox News Sunday."

"So we're looking forward to that trip, and I don't expect anything to derail that trip," he said, referring to next month's planned summit between Bush and Jiang in Beijing.

The Washington Post Saturday reported that listening devices, apparently embedded while the plane was being refitted in the United States, were found in the presidential bathroom and the headboard of the presidential bed, among other places.

The Washington Post report said Chinese officials blamed U.S. intelligence agencies for the bugs. It said the incident would be raised during U.S. President George W. Bush's Feb. 21 summit with Jiang in Beijing.

Separately, London's Financial Times reported the tiny, satellite-operated devices were detected by Chinese officials after the plane emitted a strange static whine during test flights in China in September, shortly after it was delivered.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, in an interview with NBC's "Meet the Press" program, said he had no knowledge of spying devices on the Chinese plane.

Asked if he thought the controversy would cause problems for U.S.-China relations, Rumsfeld replied: "I doubt it. We have two big countries and lots of interests in common and I suspect that life goes on."

U.S. Sen. Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, said he had no information on the incident, but said it was "foolish" if intelligence agents indeed embedded permanent listening devices on the airplane.

"We run into trouble when we do that and it seems to me that it is not wise for us to do that unless they are an enemy, now that's different. Then you take certain risks you might otherwise (not) take," he said on CBS's Face the Nation.

But U.S. Sen. Fred Thompson, a Tennessee Republican, took a more calculated view of the apparently foiled spy attempt, advocating a "cost-benefit analysis on all of these things."

"We've got to do some kind of aggressive things, and, frankly, our intelligence community I think has not suffered from being overly aggressive the last several years, just the contrary," he said.


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FiveB247
01-20-2002, 04:57 PM
Of course we're spying...but if you think We have a serious idea of their capabilities..you're insane...we better not get caught doing something with them again...it could be the end of us all..

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Se7en
01-20-2002, 06:57 PM
The Chinese have NO room to bitch at us. "You put bugs in our plane!" Yeah, well you detained ours and stripped it bare.

But am I the only one who thinks that they didn't find all the bugs? I know this story sort of makes it seem as if we're schmucks, that the Chinese can easily find all of our bugs, but I kind of feel that for every bug that they have found, there's another hidden away that they're totally unaware of.

But whatever. They're spying on us all the time, it's time we gave it back to them. We're worried about the Chinese, sure, but we're not shit-in-our-pants worried like we were with the Russians. China's government is outdated and in continuous need for reform, and if they want to make any sort of progress as a superpower in the world, they're going to need to cast off many of the old Communist practices and embrace aspects of capitalism.

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FiveB247
01-20-2002, 07:26 PM
Seven...you couldn't be more wrong. IF you remember correctly...they detained our plane...cause WE WERE SPYING ON THEM!

And another thing...China may embrace some little forms of trade and such...but if you know history...they are a Jingoist society. Don't kid yourself.

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HordeKing1
01-20-2002, 07:55 PM
FIVE - A qualatative difference exists in that the US spyplane was in international airspace when it was taken down by the Chinese pilot who crashed his fighter into it.

Contrast that with bugs, spycameras, etc from within another nations' borders.

And now having said that, I believe that every country with the capacity to do so is constantly spying on ally and enemy alike.

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NewYorkDragons80
01-20-2002, 07:57 PM
Society can only accept oppression for so long. Tianemen Square was a peaceful protest. What will China do when those who want democracy are not so peaceful?

China is certainly capable of some intense stuff, but they can't even handle Muslim rebels in their own nation.

No matter if they are in the WTO or the War on Terror. The Washington Post reported that China supplied Al Quaeda with weapons and continued to supply them after September 11th. When will action be taken for that?

"THOSE BASTARDS"
-Norman Schwartzkoff

"May God bless us in this trial, comfort us, strengthen our resolve, and make our justice as terrible and certain as His."
-Senator John McCain

"Neitzche is dead"
-God

FiveB247
01-20-2002, 08:02 PM
Horde King...you are correct in saying that the US was in international air space and that of course we are going to spy on other nations we are curious about. But it was a know fact China had previously warned us about flying in that area..and don't give me bs about how we have the right to spy on others..the fact remains that we got caught...they took our plane down and we have the nerve to complain about them being agressive?? It's stupid crap like this that makes other nations dislike our two-faced international policies.

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