Who's more crazy? Mormons or scientologist?

[furie]

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before this video, i would have said scientologists.
Now, I just don't know.

[KatPw]

Oooofff, that's a tough one. I distrust and dislike both equally usually. But I have to go with Scientologists being slightly more batshit crazy than the Momos. It's a very slight margin.

[boosterp]

Oooofff, that's a tough one. I distrust and dislike both equally usually. But I have to go with Scientologists being slightly more batshit crazy than the Momos. It's a very slight margin.

Totally agree.

[furie]

two things about this video:
1) What about the Chinese?
2) why did the Indian Israelites have basically stone age technology, while the white Israelites basically had roman technology, which would have been contemporary for that time?

[razorboy]

Catholics.

[red_red_red]

what a cluster fuck that video is, sounds like someone made that shit up while tripping balls

[Gvac]

Here's the TRUTH -

Once upon a time there was NOTHING. No matter, no space...nothingness.

Then there was a huge explosion.

Then EVERYTHING in the universe just formed.

Out of nothingness.

Planets, stars, moons, asteroids, comets, air, land, sea...everything. It just appeared.

Then life just appeared. Out of nowhere. Single celled organisms. Then they mutated, crawled out of the water, and became every living being on Earth.

There.

That sounds so much more logical. :blink:

[FrogSlayer]

that video is fucked up and racist.

[CanadianDave]

The mormon church does everything to hide the crazy sounding stories of its founder Joseph Smith. He manages to create a religion during heavvvvy competition for the religious mind in America.
If you were to go to a mormon church other than the book of mormon you would not know the difference becuase it follows current religions so closely.
Scientology is mystifying in that every person in it knows exactly where it came from. The mind of a science fiction writer.

Unlike previous human beings who were lucky to even know how to read or have any education at all, we are privy to incredible amounts of information. It baffles me that so many people remain so gullible.

All religions when critiqued by modern man seem downright silly but yet i cant get my mind around the simplest of questions. If there is a god who created him? How could not our little universe but all of space been created? WHat was there before that? How can anything have always been there. It seems impossible.

NOthing could have always been there.. But something had to be.. So with questions like that i say arguing about the validity of any religion is a waste of time. They are all created by man and myth but the eternal questions are fascinating and have no real answers. So who knows. Believe what you want but dont wreck your lives over it.

[epo]

In my opinion there is no religious belief that is more or less crazy than the next. They all involve a large leap of faith which seemingly defies logic.

For one religion or religious person to discount the beliefs of another is hilarious to me. Hypocritical if you will.

[boosterp]

Here's the TRUTH -

Once upon a time there was NOTHING (Space dust and other junk). No matter, no space...nothingness.

Then there was a huge explosion.

Then EVERYTHING in the universe just formed.

Out of nothingness.

Planets, stars, moons, asteroids, comets, air, land, sea...everything. It just appeared.

Then life just appeared. Out of nowhere. Single celled organisms. Then they mutated, crawled out of the water, and became every living being on Earth.

There.

That sounds so much more logical. :blink:

Science equals logic in my mind.

[west milly Tom]

Remember faith is the lynch pin of religion. God doesn't want anyone to be able to prove Him, He wants you to believe through faith. That being said, I think the Scientoligists are more crazy. All that shit about aliens and kid touching and Zenu is just so unbelievable. Plus any religion with magic underware is ok by me.

[Gvac]

Science equals logic in my mind.

If you didn't know that was the scientific theory and someone told it to you would you feel the same?

Or would you think it sounds just as crazy as any religion's explanations?

[epo]

Remember faith is the lynch pin of religion. God doesn't want anyone to be able to prove Him, He wants you to believe through faith. That being said, I think the Scientoligists are more crazy. All that shit about aliens and kid touching and Zenu is just so unbelievable. Plus any religion with magic underware is ok by me.

This is a serious question, not an attack as I've never understood this.

How is your leap of faith less crazy than Scientologists leap of faith?

[west milly Tom]

Science equals logic in my mind.


So scientifically when Hooke disproved abiogenesis back in the day did he not disprove science's theory of the beginning of life?

[west milly Tom]

This is a serious question, not an attack as I've never understood this.

How is your leap of faith less crazy than Scientologists leap of faith?



Truthfully I don't know that it is.

[boosterp]

So scientifically when Hooke disproved abiogenesis back in the day did he not disprove science's theory of the beginning of life?

Science evolves with new methods and new scientific minds. What you said is the equivalent of saying everything Einstein wrote must be true and we can not go back and take a fresh look.

[KatPw]

So scientifically when Hooke disproved abiogenesis back in the day did he not disprove science's theory of the beginning of life?

Leeuwenhoek. His name was Leeuwenhoek!

[west milly Tom]

Science evolves with new methods and new scientific minds. What you said is the equivalent of saying everything Einstein wrote must be true and we can not go back and take a fresh look.



In other words you are not answering my question.

[west milly Tom]

Leeuwenhoek. His name was Leeuwenhoek!

I heart you Kat

[boosterp]

In other words you are not answering my question.

Actually I thought I did. The answer would be what is the most sound theory or practice. The Big Bang, and evolutionary theories are more sound.

[west milly Tom]

Actually I thought I did. The answer would be what is the most sound theory or practice. The Big Bang, and evolutionary theories are more sound.



Does it not take as much faith to believe in the big bang as it does to believe in God?

[boosterp]

Does it not take as much faith to believe in the big bang as it does to believe in God?

In my mind no. I can read the scientific papers, understand their methods, and see the conclusion. With a god, there is no science, I can not visualize it.

[epo]

Truthfully I don't know that it is.

Fair enough.

[spankyfrank]

In the absense of science, religion prevails.

[Furtherman]

Anyone who wants truth can easily educate themselves on the beginnings of every man made religion, and includes every version of god, who if existed, would not exist in any version that is worshiped, because that would be a pretty goddamn good guess that man would get it right.

[west milly Tom]

Anyone who wants truth can easily educate themselves on the beginnings of every man made religion, and includes every version of god, who if existed, would not exist in any version that is worshiped, because that would be a pretty goddamn good guess that man would get it right.

I pegged you all wrong. I would have thought you were an Evangelical.

[A.J.]

Scientology is mystifying in that every person in it knows exactly where it came from. The mind of a science fiction writer.

I think they need to ask themselves "why did their gods need starships?"

http://kunochan.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/whydoesgod_450x338.jpg

[DarkHippie]

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before this video, i would have said scientologists.
Now, I just don't know.

Very little of this is accurate to the Mormons' beliefs. I am guessing that someone sued for libel and that is why it became banned

[STC-Dub]

Scientologists don't come to my door and try to convert me, nor are they converting people after they die. They are both crazy but I call the mormons just because I have had to deal with them. When I was 12 the Mormon across the street came over and told me my parents wanted me to watch a tape. It was a video from the mormon church about how you should not have sex until you get married and how the purpose of marriage was to create children. He lied and my parents were pissed, so was I because what 12-year-old wants to watch that crap especially at someone else's house.

[Furtherman]

Mormon sex is probably crazy nasty freaky. The shame keeps them in line.

[Stankfoot]

all I know about Mormons I learned from South Park

linky (http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103933/)

[Crispy123]

There is another wacky religion where this jewish chick got knocked up by a ghost and the kid turned a bunch of people into zombies and then believe it or not ultimately became a zombie himself!
:blink::wacko::innocent:

[dino_electropolis]

Science equals logic in my mind.

Science, at one time, held that the world was flat, that the universe revolved around the earth, etc....


So much for that....

[Furtherman]

So much for educating, growing and bettering itself.

[dino_electropolis]

So much for educating, growing and bettering itself.

Nah, those are great things actually.



Not sure where you got confused.

[Furtherman]

When some leaders burned people at the stake for claiming we are not the center of the universe. That's a bit confusing, considering even earlier civilizations knew we were not.

[dino_electropolis]

When some leaders burned people at the stake for claiming we are not the center of the universe. That's a bit confusing, considering even earlier civilizations knew we were not.

Yeah, people are crazy.


Thats undisputed.

[underdog]

Here's the TRUTH -

Once upon a time there was NOTHING. No matter, no space...nothingness.

Then there was a huge explosion.

Then EVERYTHING in the universe just formed.

Out of nothingness.

Planets, stars, moons, asteroids, comets, air, land, sea...everything. It just appeared.

Then life just appeared. Out of nowhere. Single celled organisms. Then they mutated, crawled out of the water, and became every living being on Earth.

There.

That sounds so much more logical. :blink:

That's not accurate at all.

In my opinion there is no religious belief that is more or less crazy than the next. They all involve a large leap of faith which seemingly defies logic.

For one religion or religious person to discount the beliefs of another is hilarious to me. Hypocritical if you will.

What he said.

Science, at one time, held that the world was flat, that the universe revolved around the earth, etc....


So much for that....

Some people still believe. (http://www.catholicintl.com/products/books/gwwprint.htm)

[dino_electropolis]

That's not accurate at all.



What he said.



Some people still believe. (http://www.catholicintl.com/products/books/gwwprint.htm)

Please see my last post re: people are crazy

[underdog]

Please see my last post re: people are crazy

A lot of people are crazy.

[furie]

It was a video from the mormon church about how you should not have sex until you get married and how the purpose of marriage was to create children.

are you sure those weren't catholic?

[cougarjake13]

Here's the TRUTH -

Once upon a time there was NOTHING. No matter, no space...nothingness.

Then there was a huge explosion.

Then EVERYTHING in the universe just formed.

Out of nothingness.

Planets, stars, moons, asteroids, comets, air, land, sea...everything. It just appeared.

Then life just appeared. Out of nowhere. Single celled organisms. Then they mutated, crawled out of the water, and became every living being on Earth.

There.

That sounds so much more logical. :blink:


but we have unrefutable evidence of that


plus if god says there is only one god there should be no others before me

why are there so many reilgions with diff gods, are they all the right god ?? i know someone will say its the same one god with each diff religion choosing to worship and depict in diff ways bt then why the diff messages ??

[FezPaul]

In the absense of science, religion prevails.

I think I saw that on the bumper of a Subaru.

[nukinfuts]

I am a non practicing Mormon and I can tell you from watching the first minute of this cartoon it's not at all accurate. I don't go to church anymore because I just can't be that good and I don't want to be a hypocrit. I tagged out when I was about 18. They are no where near the Scientologists. There are some hypocritical Mormons just like any religion and some of the premises of the foundation of the religion are questionable but then again any religion has questionable foundations and periods at times.

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't think either is so whacky. I'm very religious, and sometimes I lose faith in the non-logical aspects if my religion (reincarnation, etc.). In the end though, I trust the people I have great respect for and the religious writings I read. Who am I to look down on someone doing the same?

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

Oooofff, that's a tough one. I distrust and dislike both equally usually. But I have to go with Scientologists being slightly more batshit crazy than the Momos. It's a very slight margin.

Here's the TRUTH -

Once upon a time there was NOTHING. No matter, no space...nothingness.

Then there was a huge explosion.

Then EVERYTHING in the universe just formed.

Out of nothingness.

Planets, stars, moons, asteroids, comets, air, land, sea...everything. It just appeared.

Then life just appeared. Out of nowhere. Single celled organisms. Then they mutated, crawled out of the water, and became every living being on Earth.

There.

That sounds so much more logical. :blink:

Disagree with ya Kat. See what GVac wrote. Also the scientologists don't pretend to give an answer for all; just the people on Earth. Also anyone who is familiar with Newton's third law will see the validity of GVac's post.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

Science, at one time, held that the world was flat, that the universe revolved around the earth, etc....


So much for that....

Wait so you're saying that a system that evolves itself over time and allows others to point out and to prove where it is wrong is inferior to a system that assumes all authority while offering no real proofs and hasn't been updated in about 1700 years?

Yeah ok.

[underdog]

Disagree with ya Kat. See what GVac wrote. Also the scientologists don't pretend to give an answer for all; just the people on Earth. Also anyone who is familiar with Newton's third law will see the validity of GVac's post.

Gvac's post isn't accurate. And he is disagreeing with the Big Bang Theory (or at least seemingly is).

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

Gvac's post isn't accurate. And he is disagreeing with the Big Bang Theory (or at least seemingly is).

No he isn't disagreeing with it because the big bang is the result of mass coming together and reacting. The theory could never state that something came out of nothing because it violates Newton's third law, which is part of the foundation for all modern sciences.

[dickydean]

I think the Scientologists have the wackey edge. I also wonder if the start of it all as we know it is that we are the receiving side of a black hole and the big bang was when all this crap came thru to the nothingness. Gee! I read that and it sounds like I'm smoking pot.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

I think the Scientologists have the wackey edge. I also wonder if the start of it all as we know it is that we are the receiving side of a black hole and the big bang was when all this crap came thru to the nothingness. Gee! I read that and it sounds like I'm smoking pot.

I shit you not; I thought the exact same thing. I thought that since everything condenses into the singularity that what we are is the result of that (i.e. the other end). The only problem I thought of with this is that black holes don't exactly follow Newtonian physics.

[spoon]

I shit you not; I thought the exact same thing. I thought that since everything condenses into the singularity that what we are is the result of that (i.e. the other end). The only problem I thought of with this is that black holes don't exactly follow Newtonian physics.

THE ONLY PROBLEM!?!?

:unsure:

[spoon]

and the answer is C

all of the above

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

THE ONLY PROBLEM!?!?

:unsure:

Figure of speech, besides Newtonian physics is the basis of almost all modern sciences (think Newton's three laws especially that third). With black holes Newtonian physics goes out the window so that "one" problem is the reason why everything will be incorrect.

[Thomas Merton]

Religion attempts to answer the larger questions, provides solace for those who are in dire circumstances and keep us in line and away from our base, primal selves, I think.

I base my opinion of Mormons on my positive experiences with 90% of the ones I know and the negative experiences of having to answer the knock on my door by a brainwashed 21 year old zealot and the book "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krakauer

I base my opinion on Scientologists on my white hot hatred for Tom Cruise

[spoon]

The bottom line isn't if either group can be or usually are good people, it's which are more insane.

[PapaBear]

If I sold bike helmets, I'd say Mormons are not only sane, but they are geniuses.

[razorboy]

If I sold bike helmets, I'd say Mormons are not only sane, but they are geniuses.

If I sold bike helmets, I'd pray for death.

[MC Pee Pants]

I dunno but the Mormons have a bad ass church in San Diego
http://img2.allposters.com/images/LPIPOD/4980-2.jpg
http://www.mrm.org/files/images/photo-album/temple-san-diego-i.jpg

[KatPw]

I dunno but the Mormons have a bad ass church in San Diego
http://img2.allposters.com/images/LPIPOD/4980-2.jpg
http://www.mrm.org/files/images/photo-album/temple-san-diego-i.jpg

That looks like something out of a video game.

[yojimbo7248]

Mormons and Scientologist are in a dead heat in terms of wackiness. Catholics, Lutherans, and basically any of the monotheistic religions aren't far behind, though. I grew up a presbyterian and it pissed me off how our church would mock every other religion. they are in a huge glass house throwing stones at Mormons or whoever because of the ridiculousness of their beliefs.