Hip Hop is dying.....

[ckot74]

hate soulja boy and all that crap! This generation is just a bunch of wussies making up stupid songs and faget ass dances ! example superman that hoe!

This is Nas's message(my favorite REAL rapper)

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[JPMNICK]

i think he is trying to sell his CD, hip hop is dead.

i wish nick cannon was dead

[Suspect Chin]

HA! Thank god Jay-Z killed the Autotune just in time.

[JohnGacysCrawlSpace]

Was it a black on black crime?

[SatCam]

Pusher of the button
Talkin' loud ain't sayin' nuttin'
The mack of the format gettin' fat
Ain't funny 'cause my neighborhood
Is flowin' money
Thank God 4 the boulevard
They keep the motor runnin'

[Furtherman]

It was dying the day it was born.

[Fallon]

It was dying the day it was born.

Rap was an AIDS baby?

[MacVittie]

I'm torn when it comes to this subject. The hip hop I grew up with is certainly dead, but that doesn't mean that the whole genre is dead. When I was really into punk all the older punks would say, "punk is dead" because of bands like NOFX and Rancid. Now I think punk is dead because of Fallout Boy and Good Charlotte. Let the kids enjoy their hip hop the way we enjoyed ours. If Busta Rhymes and the Fugees could have gotten rich off of ringtones back in the day, they would have.

[Suspect Chin]

Rap was an AIDS baby?

AIDS was invented by the white man to kill the black man.

[lleeder]

Why is hip hop the only genre that gets bashed for talking about stupid subject matter? Nobody said Hey Motley Crue is ruining music when they made Girls,Girls,Girls but if Young Money makes Every Girl they're destroying hip hop.

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Lleeders BS poles are fucking up poles for us all.

Bs pole making bizzles

[DiabloSammich]

MAYBE

THE

DINGO

ATE

YOUR

HIP-HOP!!!




Aaaaaaannd....scene.

[biozombie]

That's the best hiphop video I've seen since Dr Dre & Snoop Doggy Dog hosed that lady down with malt liquor.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Spike Lee did the exact same bit 10 years ago in a movie called "Bamboozled".

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Love bamboozled, kinda fell apart at the end though

[dino_electropolis]

This thread is 12 years too late.

[fezident]

Hip Hop's been on life-support ever since the night Three-6 Mafia won an Oscar.

[TheMojoPin]

Love bamboozled, kinda fell apart at the end though

Yeah, good movie but it falls prey to Lee's biggest fault: most of the time he can't figure out how to end a film to save his life.

And this whole "hip-hop is dead" thing can be applied to pretty much every popular musical genre if you look at a certain way. Yeah, most of the chart topping stuff is very shallow and superficial, but there's tons of great hip-hop out there. Focusing on the charts is a terrible way to judge any genre since most of the time the stuff on the charts is made to be as "safe" and as widely popular as possible.

Plus NaS stinks these days. He made one the greatest albums ever in any genre and it's all been downhill from there.

[Gvac]

I really wish this thread was true.

[TheMojoPin]

I really wish you were dead.

[Gvac]

I really wish you were dead.

No you don't.

[TheMojoPin]

Yes I do.

I had both potato salad and macaroni salad as sides tonight out of spite.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

[ToiletCrusher]

I wish the two of you would fuck already.

[Gvac]

Yes I do.

I had both potato salad and macaroni salad as sides tonight out of spite.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

I hope you get violently ill.

You're just upset because a career minor leaguer shut out your pathetic Cubbies.

[TheMojoPin]

I hope you get violently ill.

You're just upset because a career minor leaguer shut out your pathetic Cubbies.

It was a mercy loss. It would have been brutal to go 6-0 against you guys after the break. You're having a rough time of it as it is, what with Dusty eating your young pitchers and all.

[Gvac]

I really wish you were dead.

[ToiletCrusher]

Now, that's just not nice.

Kiss and make up.

Now!

[MacVittie]

Plus NaS stinks these days. He made one the greatest albums ever in any genre and it's all been downhill from there.

FWIW, Stillmatic was a fantastic album.

[MacVittie]

I really wish this thread was true.

It boggles my mind how you can love the Blues and Rock and not appreciate Hip Hop.

[underdog]

I'm torn when it comes to this subject. The hip hop I grew up with is certainly dead, but that doesn't mean that the whole genre is dead. When I was really into punk all the older punks would say, "punk is dead" because of bands like NOFX and Rancid. Now I think punk is dead because of Fallout Boy and Good Charlotte. Let the kids enjoy their hip hop the way we enjoyed ours. If Busta Rhymes and the Fugees could have gotten rich off of ringtones back in the day, they would have.

The older punks were right.

[Gvac]

It boggles my mind how you can love the Blues and Rock and not appreciate Hip Hop.

Appreciate drum machines and soulless rhyming?

Sorry.

Doesn't do it for me.

[MacVittie]

Appreciate drum machines and soulless rhyming?

Sorry.

Doesn't do it for me.

This isn't 1982. As an art form, hip hop has grown.

[DolaMight]

Shit. Nas looks 40 now.

They did well by followin Viral video rule #1: keep it short. 5 secs more and I woulda x'd out.

btw was that the real Oj the juice man who called into O&A about this today? I don't know who the real oj is so I ask. The boys seemed slightly nervous about the threats.

[Ghostface Killah]

fuck all y'all

[TheMojoPin]

FWIW, Stillmatic was a fantastic album.

Eh...everyone album has like 3-4 decent songs and the rest are crap. He just sounds to me like he's been stuck in autopilot. "NaS is Like" is the last thing of his I can remember that I stopped and took notice of.

[TheMojoPin]

fuck all y'all

That new Raekown album is going to slay us all. I can't fucking wait.

[TheMojoPin]

Appreciate drum machines and soulless rhyming?

Sorry.

Doesn't do it for me.

Love that you base your knowledge of the entire genre off of a Sam Kinison bit from 20 years ago.

[DolaMight]

Eh...everyone album has like 3-4 decent songs and the rest are crap. He just sounds to me like he's been stuck in autopilot. "NaS is Like" is the last thing of his I can remember that I stopped and took notice of.

5 mics.... How can one argue 5 mics. There's 5 of them.

[TheMojoPin]

5 mics.... How can one argue 5 mics.

Easily.

[DolaMight]

Only thought it was OK.

If overthinking and overproducing is OK then yes it was OK, otherwise my mindstate is bland and one-listenable.

My point is how payola the source became over the years. all about the hype.

[DolaMight]

Easily.

I prefered your first edition of that thought.

[MacVittie]

Come to think of it, hip hop has been dying all along. Just off the top of my head:

Biggie
2Pac
Jam Master Jay
Pimp C
Big L
Ol Dirty Bastard
Scott LaRock
Eazy-E
Big Pun
Soulja Slim
Freaky-Tah
Aaliyah
Left Eye Lopez
Proof
Mac Dre

[biozombie]

You forgot Kid Rock's midget.

[DolaMight]

Come to think of it, hip hop has been dying all along. Just off the top of my head:

Biggie
2Pac
Jam Master Jay
Pimp C
Big L
Ol Dirty Bastard
Scott LaRock
Eazy-E
Big Pun
Soulja Slim
Freaky-Tah
Aaliyah
Left Eye Lopez
Proof
Mac Dre

Aaliyah
Left Eye Lopez

proof that people don't know what hiphop is. Not that the others deserve the title, but the day poprap A&R's insisted popR&B do every hook is when pophiphop died.

[TheMojoPin]

Baatin of Slum Village just passed away. Yet another sad development for one of hip-hop's ultimate should have beens.

Any true death list has to have J Dilla on it.

[Slumbag]

Big L

You know what sucks about Big L.
My friend and I rocked this shit out of The Big Picture all through High School. Literally every morning.
No in Indy had heard of him, and would say dumb shit like "Big L, that must stand for Big Loser" blah blah blah.

Eminem says his name in one fucking song, and those same kids are like "Greatest of all time, man".

He's still my favorite rapper ever.

[hanso]

He made the same video awhile back for the "n word" album.
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_180114885e883e2e2d4b5ce00b6dabfc.gif

[Snoogans]

IQ the Prodigy will save the game

[DolaMight]

You know what sucks about Big L.
My friend and I rocked this shit out of The Big Picture all through High School. Literally every morning.
No in Indy had heard of him, and would say dumb shit like "Big L, that must stand for Big Loser" blah blah blah.

Eminem says his name in one fucking song, and those same kids are like "Greatest of all time, man".

He's still my favorite rapper ever.

The big picture was a piss on his grave, wasn't Jermaine Dupri involved with that shit? if you weren't rockin Lifestylez ov da Poor & Dangerous then you might as well sit in the eminem camp.

where no man can hold his own.

[Slumbag]

The big picture was a piss on his grave, wasn't Jermaine Dupri involved with that shit? if you weren't rockin Lifestylez ov da Poor & Dangerous then you might as well sit in the eminem camp.

where no man can hold his own.

I don't think JD was involved with Big L ever.
Being a white kid who grew up in an Indiana suburb, it's what I could get my hands on. Lifestylez came later for me, but to say that Big Picture sucked is ridiculous.

[DolaMight]

I don't think JD was involved with Big L ever.
Being a white kid who grew up in an Indiana suburb, it's what I could get my hands on. Lifestylez came later for me, but to say that Big Picture sucked is ridiculous.

I believe "JD"'s involvement was post mortem, not that L had a say in the matter.

Other than the ask beavis I get nothing but head radio freestyle I don't recall that much great about the cash in memorial album.

[mikeyboy]

It'll be okay.

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[Slumbag]

I believe "JD"'s involvement was post mortem, not that L had a say in the matter.

Other than the ask beavis I get nothing but head radio freestyle I don't recall that much great about the cash in memorial album.

Ebonics.
One of the greatest rap songs ever.
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[DolaMight]

Ebonics.
One of the greatest rap songs ever.
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that was circa '96. I forgot they packed a bunch of his internet hits on there.

I guess that album was more of a "best of" mixed with bastardized unrelased tracks. Now I remember why I hated it.

[KC2OSO]

I really wish you were dead.
Oh, so do I.

[TripleSkeet]

Hip Hops been dying since 1997. Beside Eminem and a very few others, its been nothing but dreck.

[MacVittie]

Hip Hops been dying since 1997. Beside Eminem and a very few others, its been nothing but dreck.

There have been a lot of great non-Eminem albums put out since '97. Chronic 2001, The Black Album, Black on Both Sides, and a ton of Wu-Tang solo shit.

[TripleSkeet]

There have been a lot of great non-Eminem albums put out since '97. Chronic 2001, The Black Album, Black on Both Sides, and a ton of Wu-Tang solo shit.

I said Eminem and a few others. Nothing the Wu Tang has put out after since the mid 90's have been worth shit.

[MacVittie]

I said Eminem and a few others. Nothing the Wu Tang has put out after since the mid 90's have been worth shit.

GZA and Ghostface's albums are fantastic, as is Wu-Tang Forever.

Supreme Clientele might be my favorite Wu-Tang solo album ever.

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/g/ghostface-killah/album-supreme-clientele.jpg

[Slumbag]

GZA and Ghostface's albums are fantastic, as is Wu-Tang Forever.

Supreme Clientele might be my favorite Wu-Tang solo album ever.

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/g/ghostface-killah/album-supreme-clientele.jpg

Masta Killas No Said Date was decent, too.
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[Reynolds]

Mainstream hip hop IS dead.

You have to look underground to find music that didn't stray from the sound at about 1995.

If you look at the reviews at http://www.hiphopsite.com , they usually give good reviews to find some new good albums, check "in the deck".

There were a bunch of good albums released this year.

Blaq Poet - The Blaqprint
Brother Ali - The Truth
Doom - Born Like this
Eyedea and Abilities - By The Throat
J Dilla - J Stay Paid
La Coka Nostra - Brand You Trust (basically house of pain + ill bill from non phixion)
Slik Jacken - Stray Bullets
Skillz - Million Dollar Backpack
Mr Lif - I heard it today

[Reynolds]

Blaq Poet album produced solely by DJ Premier

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[KC2OSO]

Blaq Poet album produced solely by DJ Premier

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I feel threatened.

[Dash77]

I said Eminem and a few others. Nothing the Wu Tang has put out after since the mid 90's have been worth shit.

GZA and Ghostface's albums are fantastic, as is Wu-Tang Forever.

Supreme Clientele might be my favorite Wu-Tang solo album ever.

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/g/ghostface-killah/album-supreme-clientele.jpg

I have to agree Ghostface has put out some great albums, along with Bun-B, Scarface, Jay-Z always comes through and even Twista.. But what counts as great or good hip-hop to us is so different than what these kids are listing to now and it's sad that that a song like Your a jerk by the New boyz will get more air play than something by Jadakiss right now..

[ckot74]

Yeah big L was amazing another casualty of "Thug" life , triborough was also a good song by him....

Method Man....the beats were so sick back in the day

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other version

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Both are damn good!!!! Never get old

[ckot74]

Jayz's best song....

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And if u faget ass bitches dont think Phone tap by the firm isnt the best song ever then Faka you! Also one of the best music vids ever


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[TheMojoPin]

Blaq Poet album produced solely by DJ Premier

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I'm really not impressed with anything I've heard from BP. I want the album just for the Primo production (dude can even make Limp Bizkit sound good) but lyricially it's pretty by the book and uninteresting.

[TheMojoPin]

I said Eminem and a few others. Nothing the Wu Tang has put out after since the mid 90's have been worth shit.

That's simply not true.

[TheMojoPin]

that was circa '96. I forgot they packed a bunch of his internet hits on there.

I guess that album was more of a "best of" mixed with bastardized unrelased tracks. Now I remember why I hated it.

Yeah, about half of TBP is really solid and the rest is just filler and an obvious cash crab. It's a really killer EP dressed up as an LP. As a whole it's a huge dropoff from LUDP&D.

And fuck Eminem. Gang Starr's lyrical shout out to Big L is so much better:

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(Plus it's more DJ Premier greatness, just to bring this all full circle)

[Kublakhan61]

Any true death list has to have J Dilla on it.

Honest to god.

You guys been listening to "Jay Stay Paid"? I won't bother comparing it to Donuts, but it's worth going out and getting a copy of.


Also, I LOVED Nas' Hip Hop is Dead. Strong album.

EDIT: Just saw Brother Aly got name checked up there. That guy makes me sick. I cannot tolerate him. Maybe I'm racist...

[TheMojoPin]

Honest to god.

You guys been listening to "Jay Stay Paid"? I won't bother comparing it to Donuts, but it's worth going out and getting a copy of..

It's a very cool album.

[Dash77]

Heres one thing I've realized about all the examples were giving, what we like is now old school, the new hip-hop like stupid solja boy and any other make a hit with a dance group is crap but these dumb ass kids make these guys stars through ring tones, and if his audience ever really listens to what he says they'll know he's garbage..

[Contra]

Trust (basically house of pain + ill bill from non phixion)

I want THIS!

As far as the hip hop is dead arguement, I could write a small dissertation about how I feel about what was and what has come to pass, but I'm to lazy to do that right now. I reflect most of what's been said here, and I believe hip hop is not dead, it's just a little harder to find.

[strawberrypop]

Errrr...

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I'm uncomfortable.

[topless_mike]

La Coka Nostra - Brand You Trust (basically house of pain + ill bill from non phixion)
Slik Jacken - Stray Bullets

FINALLY
somebody gets it.

also, dont you mean sick jacken, from psycho realm?

[topless_mike]

i agree with most of what's been said here. hip hop really pulled an AF (air france) since 97. there have been some great break outs, but for the most part, yeck.

i also agree with mojo-poo that there is great hip hop out there, you just have to look for it. forget what they play on air, its watered down garbage meant to appeal to Morty in the 'burbs and appease Jamal in tha bronx.

that being said, start digging. there are tons of blogs and fanzines (do they still have them) where you can read up on new cats you aint never heard spit.

[hanso]

The old school stuff I like.
None of those artist have made any more new stuff from back in the day.
(that I know of)
So I would say It has been dead & buried

Also gansta rap is killing any remaining elements of hip hop.
As well as new r&b. There is no need for a lady r&b's tune to have some thug at the start of every song.

[brettmojo]

I'll dance on it's grave. Annoying shitty repetitive garbage.

I'm sick of hearing car sound systems coming from a mile away

[TheMojoPin]

It's hilarious that people act like this still some musical fad that's going to go away any day now.

Hip-hop's been around over 30 years at this point. It's not going anywhere.

[TheMojoPin]

Also gansta rap is killing any remaining elements of hip hop.

Wait, what?

It's 2009.

[Kublakhan61]

I'll dance on it's grave. Annoying shitty repetitive garbage.

I'm sick of hearing car sound systems coming from a mile away

I can't stand that repetitive nonsense either... it's always verse chorus verse bridge solo chorus OUT. Goddamn all this noise!


Can we also stop pretending that the 'good stuff' is hidden away. There is plenty of hip-hop on the radio that is worthwhile. I'm willing to bet you guys, you underground purists and general know-it-alls, don't even listen to hip-hop radio. Hot97 in NYC, for all the pumping of the same few summertime jams, will always throw in some new hot stuff. There are people running those stations that LOVE hip-hop.

Perhaps the content of the underground vs. the radio hip-hop is different, but both are valid and both can demonstrate great flow, production, and sense of place in history. These are important things - not units sold, or the number of whites who have accepted an artist. MF Doom - isn't that great. I've seen him.

[TheMojoPin]

I can't stand that repetitive nonsense either... it's always verse chorus verse bridge solo chorus OUT. Goddamn all this noise!


Can we also stop pretending that the 'good stuff' is hidden away. There is plenty of hip-hop on the radio that is worthwhile. I'm willing to bet you guys, you underground purists and general know-it-alls, don't even listen to hip-hop radio. Hot97 in NYC, for all the pumping of the same few summertime jams, will always throw in some new hot stuff. There are people running those stations that LOVE hip-hop.

Perhaps the content of the underground vs. the radio hip-hop is different, but both are valid and both can demonstrate great flow, production, and sense of place in history. These are important things - not units sold, or the number of whites who have accepted an artist. MF Doom - isn't that great. I've seen him.

PREACH IT!

Though did you see Doom or one of the fake Dooms? He's lazy like that.

[Kublakhan61]

PREACH IT!

Though did you see Doom or one of the fake Dooms? He's lazy like that.

Yeah I heard that about Doom. I thought it was Doom at the time but then again it was at my old college - do you think the real Doom shows up to campus parties?

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah I heard that about Doom. I thought it was Doom at the time but then again it was at my old college - do you think the real Doom shows up to campus parties?

Doom do what Doom does, dude.

[Kublakhan61]

Raekwon the chef is cooking with straight fire! OB4CL2 is astonishingly good.
3 Dilla Tracks, 2 Rza racks, 2 Dre Tracks, most of clan guests on the record, there's an ODB tribute.

If you want to sample the goods I suggest "10 Bricks", "Black Mozart", or "House of Flying Daggers".

Here is a SWEET fan vid for House of Flying Daggers
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Now lets stop pretending Hip-hop is dying. If anything it's just watered down due to its overwhelming popularity in todays youth culture.

[paracetamol flanders]

It's a Hip-Hopeless situation.

[Slumbag]

Raekwon the chef is cooking with straight fire! OB4CL2 is astonishingly good.
3 Dilla Tracks, 2 Rza racks, 2 Dre Tracks, most of clan guests on the record, there's an ODB tribute.

If you want to sample the goods I suggest "10 Bricks", "Black Mozart", or "House of Flying Daggers".

Here is a SWEET fan vid for House of Flying Daggers
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Now lets stop pretending Hip-hop is dying. If anything it's just watered down due to its overwhelming popularity in todays youth culture.

I was JUST talking about this on another board.

GREAT fucking album. Everyone's talking about Jay-Z this week, but Rae's dropped a classic with this one. I love it.

[Kublakhan61]

I was JUST talking about this on another board.

GREAT fucking album. Everyone's talking about Jay-Z this week, but Rae's dropped a classic with this one. I love it.

Jay's album is good. I really am enjoying it - my only complaint is that a good deal of his guests are WEAK. Drake?? Really? Overall I'm satisfied by Jay's album but, Rae was swinging for the fences!

[Reynolds]

FINALLY
somebody gets it.

also, dont you mean sick jacken, from psycho realm?

yeah, typo

[TheMojoPin]

Jay's album is good. I really am enjoying it - my only complaint is that a good deal of his guests are WEAK. Drake?? Really? Overall I'm satisfied by Jay's album but, Rae was swinging for the fences!

YES. I've had the Raekwon album for a couple weeks now and I still went out and bought it the day it came out, it's that fucking great. I can't wait for Ghost's album at the end of this month.

[Kublakhan61]

YES. I've had the Raekwon album for a couple weeks now and I still went out and bought it the day it came out, it's that fucking great. I can't wait for Ghost's album at the end of this month.

I like that the internet has allowed for this new system where an album is valid if we're willing to pay for it. Since Napster I haven't bought an album until I know it's fully worth it's asking price. I guess in the past you could have tape of a tape, or borrow a friends copy but more often then not, I was buying stuff based on one video on 120 mins and a hot single on the pop charts.

The point is if I go out and give someone money for music - I'm now saying "yes, I stand by this record". Feels better then saying "Yes, I consume in a random and short-shighted manner."

[TheMojoPin]

I like that the internet has allowed for this new system where an album is valid if we're willing to pay for it. Since Napster I haven't bought an album until I know it's fully worth it's asking price. I guess in the past you could have tape of a tape, or borrow a friends copy but more often then not, I was buying stuff based on one video on 120 mins and a hot single on the pop charts.

The point is if I go out and give someone money for music - I'm now saying "yes, I stand by this record". Feels better then saying "Yes, I consume in a random and short-shighted manner."

Pretty much. Same with movies I'm unsure about, too.

[DolaMight]

I'm late to his new record but check the single

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hip hop is so dead

fuck it's nice to hear such tight lyrics and flow

[benjamin]

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he kills it on this shit.
freestyle!

[benjamin]

immortal technique is great.
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