2009 College Football thread

[Snoogans]

Its almost that time, fools. I just picked up my tickets for Rutgers opening day game against Cincy. I can't fuckin wait. Already through almost 1 full dynasty season in NCAA 10 also. COLLEGE FOOTBALL, BITCHES

[SP1!]

Rutgers fans are soooo cute, they actually think they have a good team and a chance.

[El Mudo]

Preseason Top 25 is out (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankings?pollId=2&seasonYear=2009)



Top 10

1. Florida (53)
2. Texas (4)
3. Oklahoma (1)
4. USC (1) 0-0
5. Alabama 0-0
6. Ohio State 0-0
7. Virginia Tech
8. Penn State 0-0
9. LSU 0-0
10. Mississippi


I LOATHE Preseason Polls. The only reason they exist is for the TV Networks to sell games.

That being said, who's the team that at the end of the year you'll be wondering how they were ever ranked? My vote goes to Virginia Tech. They open with Alabama right outta the gate (I think they get hammered there, and they've got Nebraska early too).

The thing that seems weird about the poll? No Big East teams. Cincinnati was the closest with 90 votes.

Less than a month before the season opens September 3!! :clap::clap:

[Snoogans]

Rutgers fans are soooo cute, they actually think they have a good team and a chance.

considering the schedule, they actually have a very good chance to win the Big East and 10 games. Everyone of their tough conference games is at home and their out of conference schedule isnt exactly powerhouse

[Snoogans]

And Rutgers is gonna go into Byrd Stadium and DOMINATE the bum Terps

[ozzie]

Totally agree, hate the pre-season polls.

It's like they're not even trying to play out the schedule to make their picks.

Not sure who you think will win the SEC West? Cover your ass and put Bama, LSU and Ole Miss all in you top-10.

Same for OU and Texas. Same shit every year. It's a toss up, so everyone puts both into their top 5.

I was surprised to see Auburn get as many votes as they did.

With their schedule, they have a shot at starting out 5 - 2, or possibly even 6 - 1 with a little luck... but it gets murderous at the end. They could easily lose 3 or 4 of their last 5.

[JimBeam]

I think most reputable organizations/individuals put some thought into their polls.

I'm sure there's a lot of analysis of returning rosters, schedules, etc ...

With that said it is in many aspects a guessing game but I don't hate it.

If your team wins out, unless they are in those crappy non-BCS conferences, they should play for a title.

[El Mudo]

And Rutgers is gonna go into Byrd Stadium and DOMINATE the bum Terps



Sure....just like they did a couple years ago right? :wink::wink:



Totally agree, hate the pre-season polls.

It's like they're not even trying to play out the schedule to make their picks.

Not sure who you think will win the SEC West? Cover your ass and put Bama, LSU and Ole Miss all in you top-10.

Same for OU and Texas. Same shit every year. It's a toss up, so everyone puts both into their top 5.

I was surprised to see Auburn get as many votes as they did.

With their schedule, they have a shot at starting out 5 - 2, or possibly even 6 - 1 with a little luck... but it gets murderous at the end. They could easily lose 3 or 4 of their last 5.

Mississippi and Alabama don't have to play Florida this year, which is a boost for them (but LSU does have to play them). The end of Ole Miss' schedule is tough but manageable; they've got to go to Auburn, and then they've got Tennessee and LSU at home and Miss State in Starkville (helps that they have a Little Sisters of the Poor matchup with Northern Arizona before the Vols come in). LSU shit the bed so badly last year and I don't know if they can really recover all that fast, seeing as they're really really young this year (61 freshmen, most in the SEC), and their schedule is pretty rough (a trip to Athens followed by home games with Florida and Auburn and then late season trips to Tuscaloosa and Oxford)

Florida's schedule this year is an absolute breeze. The toughest road game they have is LSU, and that's in early October, so even if they lose that, it won't kill them in the end. They could run the table very easily.

I'm gonna predict a USC/Florida title game. I see everyone in the 12 knocking themselves out on each other, and the other conferences just aren't that good.

[lleeder]

another thread about this we already have plenty of...college football threads

[El Mudo]

another thread about this we already have plenty of...college football threads



Is this the new "sailor loves tags"?

[Coach_Mac]

COLLEGE FOOTBALL, BITCHES

I couldn't have said it better myself.

another thread about this we already have plenty of...college football threads

You shut your mouth.

[Snoogans]

Rutgers is off to a good start recruiting for 2010. They also just brought a kid in for this year who was in Penn States class.

Natale will start this year, and I think Shiano will redshirt Savage so he can use him for 4 years. Although if Natale gets hurt they could burn that cause Lovelace blows

I like how college has turned an eye toward really preparing these kids for the NFL by having them all get arrested. WHAT THE FUCK. Especially down there in Florida. If you guys would just pay the kids to come to your schools like USC does, they wouldnt need to steal shit.

I hope Florida somehow loses 10 games this year. I hate Tim Tebow so much. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS. SHUT UP. And I know he is a fuckin liar.



Oh yea and Maryland sucks balls

[King Hippos Bandaid]

go State

[Earlshog]

Rutgers fans are soooo cute, they actually think they have a good team and a chance.

DATE OPPONENT LOCATION TV TIME/RESULT
Monday,
September 7 CINCINNATI Rutgers Stadium ESPN 4:00 PM

Saturday,
September 12 HOWARD Rutgers Stadium SNY TBA

Saturday,
September 19 FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL Rutgers Stadium SNY TBA

Saturday,
September 26 Maryland College Park, Md. TBA

Saturday,
October 10 TEXAS SOUTHERN
Homecoming Rutgers Stadium TBA

Friday,
October 16 PITTSBURGH Rutgers Stadium ESPN 8:00 PM

Friday,
October 23 Army West Point, N.Y. ESPN2 8:00 PM

Saturday,
October 31 Connecticut East Hartford, Conn. TBA

Thursday,
November 12 USF Rutgers Stadium ESPN 7:30 PM

Saturday,
November 21 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. TBA

Friday,
November 27 Louisville Louisville, Ky. ABC/ESPN/ESPN2 TBA

Saturday,
December 5 WEST VIRGINIA Rutgers Stadium ABC/ESPN/ESPN2 TBA


No Buffalo this year! Dammit!

[Coach_Mac]

DATE OPPONENT LOCATION TV TIME/RESULT
Monday,
September 7 CINCINNATI Rutgers Stadium ESPN 4:00 PM

Saturday,
September 12 HOWARD Rutgers Stadium SNY TBA

Saturday,
September 19 FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL Rutgers Stadium SNY TBA

Saturday,
September 26 Maryland College Park, Md. TBA

Saturday,
October 10 TEXAS SOUTHERN
Homecoming Rutgers Stadium TBA

Friday,
October 16 PITTSBURGH Rutgers Stadium ESPN 8:00 PM

Friday,
October 23 Army West Point, N.Y. ESPN2 8:00 PM

Saturday,
October 31 Connecticut East Hartford, Conn. TBA

Thursday,
November 12 USF Rutgers Stadium ESPN 7:30 PM

Saturday,
November 21 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. TBA

Friday,
November 27 Louisville Louisville, Ky. ABC/ESPN/ESPN2 TBA

Saturday,
December 5 WEST VIRGINIA Rutgers Stadium ABC/ESPN/ESPN2 TBA


No Buffalo this year! Dammit!

texas Southern for homecoming!? That's weak. yes, pick a team you know you'll beat but nobody wants to see that game. Should have gone with Pitt.

Also, 5 games not on Saturday? Did Rutgers join the MAC?

[Snoogans]

texas Southern for homecoming!? That's weak. yes, pick a team you know you'll beat but nobody wants to see that game. Should have gone with Pitt.

Also, 5 games not on Saturday? Did Rutgers join the MAC?

the main reason is to get the games on National TV.

And they didnt want to play texas southern. They spent 5 months tryin to get another 1A to come to Rutgers but no one would do it such short notice. That game was supposed to be against Notre Dame from that agreement a few years ago that ND backed out of cause they wouldnt play in Giants Stadium. So they just threw Texas Southern some cash to come take a beating

[Snoogans]

AWWWWWWWWW SHIT:
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7928/picture60s.jpg

[Coach_Mac]

Giants Stadium.

?
Is that when they were doing construction or do they play there sometimes?

[Snoogans]

??

ND and Rutgers had agreed to play a home and home this year and next. I think it was like 3 or 4 years ago. But Notre Dame wanted the Rutgers home game to be in Giants Stadium because at the time, Rutgers Stadium held like 41000 and ND wanted a bigger game with more seats that they could get more ND fans into. Rutgers said no cause they had just started planning to expand the stadium for this year and didn't want to give a game up at a stadium they were gonna pay 100 million dollars to expand. So ND backed out

[Snoogans]

?
Is that when they were doing construction or do they play there sometimes?

the construction they did this winter. The stadium will hold 56000 by the start of the season

[Coach_Mac]

Screw ND then. That was just an excuse to not get beat at Rutgers. I saw the stadium about a year or so ago and I was impressed. I didn't expect it to be that big.

[Snoogans]

Screw ND then. That was just an excuse to not get beat at Rutgers. I saw the stadium about a year or so ago and I was impressed. I didn't expect it to be that big.

yea they closed it up and it really is cool now. The one side is built into the ground. If things continue over time, they have room to add even more to the second levels too.

http://scarletknights.com/stadium/

they have some photos there from the construction. It looks really cool. I cant wait to see it on labor day

[Coach_Mac]

Very nice.
Now the only problem I have with Rutgers is that all the students can't walk to the game. They have to get in their car and go 7 exits down the highway because apparently the Rutgers campus is 12 miles long.

[Snoogans]

Now the only problem I have with Rutgers is that all the students can't walk to the game. They have to get in their car and go 7 exits down the highway because apparently the Rutgers campus is 12 miles long.

they have buses that run all around to pick people up. And yea the campus is really big cause its kinda spread over parts of 2 cities. Trust me, you can get around pretty easy.

Besides you should be at the game way early. Me and Dash are goin to that game on Labor day and it starts at 4. Im plannin to get to the stadium between 12 and 12:30 and chill and grill shit. Maybe even lobsters. THATS HOW I ROLL

[Snoogans]

Very nice.
Now the only problem I have with Rutgers is that all the students can't walk to the game. They have to get in their car and go 7 exits down the highway because apparently the Rutgers campus is 12 miles long.

are you an ole miss guy or state?

[Coach_Mac]

are you an ole miss guy or state?

I graduate from Texas Tech. But I live in the middle of Ole Miss land so I really heard it last year after the Cotten Bowl.

[Snoogans]

I graduate from Texas Tech. But I live in the middle of Ole Miss land so I really heard it last year after the Cotten Bowl.

ahhh. Im a big fan of Mike Leach. And Kiffin. Fuckin hilarious.

I dont know much about you guys this season. You have some big shoes to fill

[Coach_Mac]

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[Coach_Mac]

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[Snoogans]

Tough break, Mac (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4396480)

Texas Tech starting running back Baron Batch is expected to miss three to six weeks after sustaining an arm injury in practice, two people familiar with the injury said Thursday.
Batch most likely will miss one month, one source said, which would put his target date for a possible return at Week 3 against Texas on Sept. 19.

[Coach_Mac]

Tough break, Mac (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4396480)

For as much as we pass, most people might think that won't matter but that's actually a huge blow for us. Batch was the only returning RB with carries and he was good.

[Snoogans]

For as much as we pass, most people might think that won't matter but that's actually a huge blow for us. Batch was the only returning RB with carries and he was good.

plus you wont be passing quite as much without Harrell and Crabtree

[JimBeam]

texas Southern for homecoming!? That's weak.

It's better than Howard.

98% of teams pick a pansy for homecoming so I'm not gonna rip Rutgers for that game.

Screw ND then. That was just an excuse to not get beat at Rutgers.

So they agree to play a Pitt team on the road but they're scared of Rutgers ?

That seems to make sense.

[Snoogans]

It's better than Howard.

98% of teams pick a pansy for homecoming so I'm not gonna rip Rutgers for that game.



So they agree to play a Pitt team on the road but they're scared of Rutgers ?

That seems to make sense.

i think he meant scared of the prospect of losing in Piscataway. That looks alot worse than losing to Pitt at Heinz field. I think ND just wanted more tickets available and so they didnt want to play in Rutgers Stadium. Fuck em. We got Penn State, Miami, UCLA and a few others comin up. Fuck ND

[Coach_Mac]

So they agree to play a Pitt team on the road but they're scared of Rutgers ?

That seems to make sense.

Well they obviously have to play some away games but playing in Giants Stadium gives them an excuse to back out of a road game. Plus, even though Rutgers is a quality team, they don't have the history of a program like Pitt.

[CountryBob]

My Hokies have lost their starting running back due to an ACL tear for the year. Ahhhggggg!
If we happen to lose QB Tyrod Taylor, we will be lucky to win 5 games.

[JimBeam]

Well they obviously have to play some away games but playing in Giants Stadium gives them an excuse to back out of a road game. Plus, even though Rutgers is a quality team, they don't have the history of a program like Pitt.

My point was that ND wasn't " scared " to play Rutgers if they were willing to play a better, for the most part, team from the same conference.

I can't believe the whole " Notre Dame is scared to play a good schedule. " thinking is still out there.

It's so unoriginal and ridiculous.

Sure Nevada is lame compared to an Oh St they might open up w/ a few years ago but there's no need to defend their schedule.

Anybody who would like to can compare ND's schedule over the last few years w/ the schedule of bowl games including BCS games and see quite a few common events.

[Snoogans]

My point was that ND wasn't " scared " to play Rutgers if they were willing to play a better, for the most part, team from the same conference.

I can't believe the whole " Notre Dame is scared to play a good schedule. " thinking is still out there.

It's so unoriginal and ridiculous.

Sure Nevada is lame compared to an Oh St they might open up w/ a few years ago but there's no need to defend their schedule.

Anybody who would like to can compare ND's schedule over the last few years w/ the schedule of bowl games including BCS games and see quite a few common events.

no one was gettin on the schedule ND has, just that they backed out of an agreement to play games. at the time they did, Id say yes, they were a little worried about losing to Rutgers in Piscataway. Remember it was like 3 years ago

[JimBeam]

Again I don't think it was a " scared " thing it was a business decision.

I'm sure ND would've gladly played the game in Giants Stadium.

Most of the big conference schools do the same thing.

LSU won't play a home & away schedule w/ a team that doesn't have a big enough stadium to warrant the trip.

[Snoogans]

Again I don't think it was a " scared " thing it was a business decision.

I'm sure ND would've gladly played the game in Giants Stadium.

Most of the big conference schools do the same thing.

LSU won't play a home & away schedule w/ a team that doesn't have a big enough stadium to warrant the trip.

yea but its not like they were gonna be playin in 41K seat Rutgers Stadium. Its almost 60K now. Its not small

[Coach_Mac]

My point was that ND wasn't " scared " to play Rutgers if they were willing to play a better, for the most part, team from the same conference.

I can't believe the whole " Notre Dame is scared to play a good schedule. " thinking is still out there.

It's so unoriginal and ridiculous.

Sure Nevada is lame compared to an Oh St they might open up w/ a few years ago but there's no need to defend their schedule.

Anybody who would like to can compare ND's schedule over the last few years w/ the schedule of bowl games including BCS games and see quite a few common events.

I never said ND was scared to play a good schedule. Actually, I was saying the exact opposite. They want to play the biggest name teams out there. They don't shy away from great team but they want those great teams to be a USC, a Michigan, teams with big names and a big history. If they are going to lose, they would rather it be to a Michigan (a team with a great name but is not that great lately), than a Rutgers (a team with no long history of winning but will probably beat them). So when the issue of playing in Giants stadium came up, they used it as an excuse to back out of the game. Of course, this is only speculation and is probably not true, so whatever.

[Coach_Mac]

Again I don't think it was a " scared " thing it was a business decision.

I'm sure ND would've gladly played the game in Giants Stadium.

Most of the big conference schools do the same thing.

LSU won't play a home & away schedule w/ a team that doesn't have a big enough stadium to warrant the trip.

The way I understood it, the game was to be played in Giants stadium instead of at Rutgers and ND didn't want to do that. Is that not the case?

[JimBeam]

I think Rutgers wanted to play it at home but ND would only play it at Giants Stadium.

ND plays in Giants Stadium every few years.

Usually against a team like Army/Navy.

[Snoogans]

The way I understood it, the game was to be played in Giants stadium instead of at Rutgers and ND didn't want to do that. Is that not the case?

I think Rutgers wanted to play it at home but ND would only play it at Giants Stadium.

ND plays in Giants Stadium every few years.

Usually against a team like Army/Navy.

They had agreed to play it at Rutgers Stadium this season to have a big game with the new expanded stadium. Notre Damn decided to demand it be at Giants stadium so fthat more tickets, hence more money, would be available. Rutgers did not want to move it from Rutgers Stadium cause they just paid over 100 mill to expand it

[JimBeam]

ND's gonna miss out on some Fat Daryls.

I need to make a trip out there to finally try one of those things.

[El Mudo]

Greg Paulus named starting QB for Syracuse (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4406074)


Not really much different than a guy who goes to play minor league baseball for six years, then comes back (like Chris Weinke). Not saying he's gonna be Chris Weinke, but it can't hurt. The guy was all world coming out of HS before he went to Duke to be a shitty point guard.

[led37zep]

2009 Manning Award Watch List
Austen Arnaud (Jr., Iowa State)
Sam Bradford (Jr., Oklahoma)
Levi Brown (Sr., Troy)
Darryll Clark (Sr., Penn State)
Jimmy Clausen (Jr., Notre Dame)
Andy Dalton (Sr., TCU)
Austin Davis (So., Southern Miss)
Armanti Edwards (Sr., Appalachian State)
Robert Griffin III (So., Baylor)
Matt Grothe (Sr., USF)
Max Hall (Sr., BYU)
Tim Hiller (Sr., Western Michigan)
Jerrod Johnson (Jr., Texas A&M)
Colin Kaepernick (Jr., Nevada)
Case Keenum (Jr., Houston)
Dan LeFevour (Sr., Central Michigan)
Corey Leonard (Sr., Arkansas State)
Thaddeus Lewis (Sr., Duke)
Ryan Lindley (So., San Diego State)
Jake Locker (Jr., Washington)
Jeremiah Masoli (Jr., Oregon)
Colt McCoy (Sr., Texas)
Kellen Moore (So., Boise State)
Tony Pike (Sr., Cincinnati)
Terrelle Pryor (So., Ohio State)
Todd Reesing (Sr., Kansas)
Zac Robinson (Sr., Oklahoma State)
Tyler Sheehan (Sr., Bowling Green)
Riley Skinner (Sr., Wake Forest)
Rusty Smith (Sr., Florida Atlantic)
Jevan Snead (Jr., Ole Miss)
Ricky Stanzi (Jr., Iowa)
Tim Tebow (Sr., Florida)
Trevor Vittatoe (Jr., UTEP)
Adam Weber (Jr., Minnesota)
Juice Williams (Sr., Illinois)
Russell Wilson (So., N.C. State)
T.J. Yates (Jr., North Carolina)

[El Mudo]

2009 Manning Award Watch List
Austen Arnaud (Jr., Iowa State)
Sam Bradford (Jr., Oklahoma)
Levi Brown (Sr., Troy)
Darryll Clark (Sr., Penn State)
Jimmy Clausen (Jr., Notre Dame)
Andy Dalton (Sr., TCU)
Austin Davis (So., Southern Miss)
Armanti Edwards (Sr., Appalachian State)
Robert Griffin III (So., Baylor)
Matt Grothe (Sr., USF)
Max Hall (Sr., BYU)
Tim Hiller (Sr., Western Michigan)
Jerrod Johnson (Jr., Texas A&M)
Colin Kaepernick (Jr., Nevada)
Case Keenum (Jr., Houston)
Dan LeFevour (Sr., Central Michigan)
Corey Leonard (Sr., Arkansas State)
Thaddeus Lewis (Sr., Duke)
Ryan Lindley (So., San Diego State)
Jake Locker (Jr., Washington)
Jeremiah Masoli (Jr., Oregon)
Colt McCoy (Sr., Texas)
Kellen Moore (So., Boise State)
Tony Pike (Sr., Cincinnati)
Terrelle Pryor (So., Ohio State)
Todd Reesing (Sr., Kansas)
Zac Robinson (Sr., Oklahoma State)
Tyler Sheehan (Sr., Bowling Green)
Riley Skinner (Sr., Wake Forest)
Rusty Smith (Sr., Florida Atlantic)
Jevan Snead (Jr., Ole Miss)
Ricky Stanzi (Jr., Iowa)
Tim Tebow (Sr., Florida)
Trevor Vittatoe (Jr., UTEP)
Adam Weber (Jr., Minnesota)
Juice Williams (Sr., Illinois)
Russell Wilson (So., N.C. State)
T.J. Yates (Jr., North Carolina)



Should be a good race between Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy, which probably will reflect the Heisman voting (which is going to McCoy, unless his season blows up, because I can't see them giving Tebow or Bradford another Heisman).

I'm a big fan of Armanti Edwards, even if he did just hurt his foot mowing the lawn (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4383435)

Riley Skinner's another good one...they play that real gimmicky, heavy misdirection offense at Wake, and he's really good.

[El Mudo]

Florida is a 73 point favorite over Charleston Southern in its opener... (http://deadspin.com/5340779/bookies-have-a-good-feeling-about-this-florida-team)


There's NO WAY they cover that spread. Maybe if Spurrier was still there and running up the score, but the backups will be in probably by the half, if not sooner.

[Snoogans]

Florida is a 73 point favorite over Charleston Southern in its opener... (http://deadspin.com/5340779/bookies-have-a-good-feeling-about-this-florida-team)


There's NO WAY they cover that spread. Maybe if Spurrier was still there and running up the score, but the backups will be in probably by the half, if not sooner.

Urban Meyer runs up the score too

I wonder what Charleston Southern's money line is?

[El Mudo]

Urban Meyer runs up the score too

I wonder what Charleston Southern's money line is?


Well....they did hang 70 on The Citadel last year, but that was also in November, and not right outta the gate. They're also working on a more pro-style passing offense for Tebow (while still keeping the spread option).

The season opener will also be the public's first look at a revamped Gator offense. With Percy Harvin playing in the NFL, Meyer has revamped his spread offense to make Tebow more of a multi-dimensional threat. And with the addition of quarterbacks coach Scot Loeffler from Michigan, Tebow is expected to play more under center, preparing for a career in the NFL.

The move also will help Tebow pick up part of the slack left over by Harvin, by dropping back to pass instead of receiving the snap already in the shotgun. Florida will still run the spread-option, using the tandem of backs Chris Rainey and Jeff Demps.

I think they'll still win by at least 50, but I can't honestly see them putting up more than 73.

[JimBeam]

Well Charleston Southern got shutout 3 times last year by the likes of North Greenville, Liberty and Coastal Carolina by a total of 93-0.

They also gave up 52 and 41 points to Miami and Wofford respectively.

If Florida constantly stops them on defense and gets the ball back w/ a short field it can easily be a long day backups or not.

[JimBeam]

Love to see guys getting a 2nd chance :

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4414299

[JimBeam]

And it seems like Notre Dame is in the process of sissying up their schedule :

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4413451

[Coach_Mac]

Well Charleston Southern got shutout 3 times last year by the likes of North Greenville, Liberty and Coastal Carolina by a total of 93-0.

They also gave up 52 and 41 points to Miami and Wofford respectively.

If Florida constantly stops them on defense and gets the ball back w/ a short field it can easily be a long day backups or not.

They are going to let Tebow play the whole game but the second half he's going to learn to throw right handed.

[SP1!]

no one was gettin on the schedule ND has, just that they backed out of an agreement to play games. at the time they did, Id say yes, they were a little worried about losing to Rutgers in Piscataway. Remember it was like 3 years ago

Maybe they were just like everyone else and didnt want to take a trip to NJ.


Besides even a shitty ND team will beat rutgers since RU will lose at least 4-5 this year.

[Snoogans]

Maybe they were just like everyone else and didnt want to take a trip to NJ.


Besides even a shitty ND team will beat rutgers since RU will lose at least 4-5 this year.

to who?

[Coach_Mac]

to who?

Howard, FIU, Tx Southern, and Army.

[TheGameHHH]

Go Irish???

[razorboy]

Go Irish???

Even with Special Needs McBabyHands at QB?

[TheGameHHH]

Even with Special Needs McBabyHands at QB?

he's so bad....its exactly like watching a highly talented high school QB run a DI offense. ever seen those baseball players that are too good for AAA but not good enough for the majors? AAAA guys they call 'em, that Jimmy Clausen

[razorboy]

he's so bad....its exactly like watching a highly talented high school QB run a DI offense. ever seen those baseball players that are too good for AAA but not good enough for the majors? AAAA guys they call 'em, that Jimmy Clausen

If they didn't have some sort of idea as to what they were getting after watching his waterhead brothers play, they simply weren't paying attention. They all cleared the physical bar, but they are just too Cro-Magnon stupid to run any sort of pro-style college offense.

[SP1!]

to who?

You cant obviously think rutgers is so good they will blow through their schedule and not lose at least 3 conference games?

Its nice to see a school thats not afraid to schedule 4 cupcakes for easy wins to pad their record though, even if they go undefeated they will have issues with their strength of schedule.

[Snoogans]

You cant obviously think rutgers is so good they will blow through their schedule and not lose at least 3 conference games?

Its nice to see a school thats not afraid to schedule 4 cupcakes for easy wins to pad their record though, even if they go undefeated they will have issues with their strength of schedule.

thats not what happened actually but you think whatever you need.

And being cinncy, WV, pitt and USF play AT rutgers, no, they shouldnt lose 3 conf games

[SP1!]

thats not what happened actually but you think whatever you need.

And being cinncy, WV, pitt and USF play AT rutgers, no, they shouldnt lose 3 conf games

That is about what happened actually, besides the ND thing, which we found out why later.

And you can still rest assured, they will lose at minimum 3 conference games and no one will ever speak of RU again.

[Coach_Mac]

Its nice to see a school thats not afraid to schedule 4 cupcakes for easy wins to pad their record though

Who doesn't do that?

[Coach_Mac]

For you ND lovers...

Just stop it Lou.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Out-on-a-limb-even-for-Dr-Lou-Irish-in-the-ti?urn=ncaaf,184500

[drjoek]

For you ND lovers...

Just stop it Lou.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Out-on-a-limb-even-for-Dr-Lou-Irish-in-the-ti?urn=ncaaf,184500

God what a fucking idiot

I hope ND goes 0-15

I know they dont play 15 games I want them to lose intersquad games too

[SP1!]

Who doesn't do that?

UGA for one, USC and quite a few others (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/226344-report-cards-grading-the-big-6-out-of-conference-schedules)

Hell even florida(who is notorious for scheduling shit teams) still has to play FSU and Miami every year, either team has a shot at beating them every year since its a huge rivalry.

This rutgers schedule is one of the most pathetic I have ever seen though.

[Coach_Mac]

UGA for one, USC and quite a few others (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/226344-report-cards-grading-the-big-6-out-of-conference-schedules)

Hell even florida(who is notorious for scheduling shit teams) still has to play FSU and Miami every year, either team has a shot at beating them every year since its a huge rivalry.

This rutgers schedule is one of the most pathetic I have ever seen though.

F - Kansas State, Mississippi, Penn State, Texas Tech

:thumbup:

[SP1!]

:thumbup:

I am glad UGA is finally starting to schedule better teams instead of the crap schools they usually play, now if the rest of the SEC follows their lead, I highly doubt they will though.

[El Mudo]

For you ND lovers...

Just stop it Lou.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Out-on-a-limb-even-for-Dr-Lou-Irish-in-the-ti?urn=ncaaf,184500



Lou has a point. Look at this schedule:

09/05/09 vs. Nevada TV Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
09/12/09 at Michigan TV Ann Arbor, Mich. 3:30 p.m. ET
09/19/09 vs. Michigan State TV Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
09/26/09 at Purdue TV West Lafayette, Ind. 8:00 p.m. ET
10/03/09 vs. Washington TV Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
10/17/09 vs. USC TV Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
10/24/09 vs. Boston College TV Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
10/31/09 vs. Washington State TV San Antonio, Texas 6:30 p.m. CT
11/07/09 vs. Navy TV Notre Dame, Ind. 2:30 p.m. ET
11/14/09 at Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, Pa. TBA
11/21/09 vs. Connecticut TV Notre Dame, Ind. 2:30 p.m. ET
11/28/09 at Stanford TV Palo Alto, Calif. 5:00 p.m. PT



If ND runs the table (which they most certainly can, seeing as they are returning most of their team) they will almost certainly make the BCS National Title Game. They are too big a name and too much of a money grabber for the bowl people and the pollsters. He's not saying they are the second best team in the country, but that they have the "best chance" to run the table and play UF in the title game.

Their toughest game is Southern Cal October 17th, and its in South Bend. If they pull that out (which I don't think they will), its easy skating the rest of the way (and they don't have to play a conference title game). I think Deadspin had the best take:


The preseason AP poll came out today and against all logic, the Fighting Irish (a weak 7-6 last year) are No. 23. (Same as the coaches poll.) They return all 11 starters on an offense that wasn't that good, but their schedule (as usual) is a joke. They only have four true road games and get their two toughest opponents at home. The rest are the dregs of the major conferences and the always pesky Navy. They could easily get nine wins against this group and 11-1 isn't inconceivable. And because they're Notre Dame, that would actually be enough.

The scenario Holtz depicts sounds ludicrous on it face, but I can actually see it happening. Watch them slowly climb up the rankings, until one day in December you wake up and they're No. 2 or 3 in the country. No one will believe that they deserve it and you will pull your hair out in frustrated disbelief, but it won't matter. Notre Dame gets what it wants.

[SP1!]

It does sound crazy but the teams they are playing are having down years, its not completely their fault but still an 11-1 team is not unfathomable and if that happens they are at least top 5 if not 1 or 2.

Personally Im hoping they tank the season so they end up firing weiss so that ND then goes after meyer so we can hear the florida fans scream.

[CountryBob]

Lou has a point. Look at this schedule:

09/05/09 vs. Nevada TV Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
09/12/09 at Michigan TV Ann Arbor, Mich. 3:30 p.m. ET
09/19/09 vs. Michigan State TV Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
09/26/09 at Purdue TV West Lafayette, Ind. 8:00 p.m. ET
10/03/09 vs. Washington TV Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
10/17/09 vs. USC TV Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
10/24/09 vs. Boston College TV Notre Dame, Ind. 3:30 p.m. ET
10/31/09 vs. Washington State TV San Antonio, Texas 6:30 p.m. CT
11/07/09 vs. Navy TV Notre Dame, Ind. 2:30 p.m. ET
11/14/09 at Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, Pa. TBA
11/21/09 vs. Connecticut TV Notre Dame, Ind. 2:30 p.m. ET
11/28/09 at Stanford TV Palo Alto, Calif. 5:00 p.m. PT



If ND runs the table (which they most certainly can, seeing as they are returning most of their team) they will almost certainly make the BCS National Title Game. They are too big a name and too much of a money grabber for the bowl people and the pollsters. He's not saying they are the second best team in the country, but that they have the "best chance" to run the table and play UF in the title game.

Their toughest game is Southern Cal October 17th, and its in South Bend. If they pull that out (which I don't think they will), its easy skating the rest of the way (and they don't have to play a conference title game). I think Deadspin had the best take:

They will lose Michgan State, USC and Boston College - bank on it!

[JimBeam]

It does sound crazy but the teams they are playing are having down years, its not completely their fault but still an 11-1 team is not unfathomable and if that happens they are at least top 5 if not 1 or 2.

Personally Im hoping they tank the season so they end up firing weiss so that ND then goes after meyer so we can hear the florida fans scream.

Meyer just signed that extension so the financials all around ( buying out both Weiss and Meyer ) would seem to be too much.

Plus I'm still not sure why Meyer would leave that gold mine.

An ND fan could hope his ego would make him want to be the one to get them back in the thick of things but that might not be for a while. Meaning that he could win more titles at UF in the near future.

As far as Holtz being a homer, which he clearly is, why is it that he's not such a homer for the other schools were he coached and was successful ?

[Aggie]

My team will suck again. :thumbdown: But if we beat texas we forget all about it. :drunk:

[SP1!]

My team will suck again. :thumbdown: But if we beat texas we forget all about it. :drunk:

Amazing how a win over a hated rival will make the season better, the problem with that is we have 3 teams we have to beat for a good season.

[SP1!]

Meyer just signed that extension so the financials all around ( buying out both Weiss and Meyer ) would seem to be too much.

Plus I'm still not sure why Meyer would leave that gold mine.

An ND fan could hope his ego would make him want to be the one to get them back in the thick of things but that might not be for a while. Meaning that he could win more titles at UF in the near future.

As far as Holtz being a homer, which he clearly is, why is it that he's not such a homer for the other schools were he coached and was successful ?

Myers contract has a clause that lets him leave for his "dream jobs" those schools include Michigan, Ohio State, and Notre Dame, the buyout for those jobs is something like $250k or something ridiculously low. He didnt take it the first time because of his kids being so young but now that almost all will be in college soon that obstacle will be gone soon and ND can throw a lot more money that florida ever could.

It may not happen this year since ND will win at least 9-10 and keep fat boy but he will be gone in a few years, when that happens meyer will be out of florida quickly.

[SP1!]

Im going to go crazy with the wait this week, jesus come on!!!!!!!!!!!

[El Mudo]

Somewhere, Matty Fridays is smiling (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4434031)

[SP1!]

Nothing will come of that though since its just what disgruntled players said, the current players were asked if they played a lot and they said yes, in relation to their high school teams.

These were just whiney primadonnas just bitching about having to practice more than they are used to, which is what rich is always about, conditioning.

[Snoogans]

Nothing will come of that though since its just what disgruntled players said, the current players were asked if they played a lot and they said yes, in relation to their high school teams.

These were just whiney primadonnas just bitching about having to practice more than they are used to, which is what rich is always about, conditioning.

according to the articles I read about it, some of these anonymous players ARE current players. I read one article that said about 30 players, including at least a handfull of current ones, backed up the story that they practiced more than they should have

[El Mudo]

according to the articles I read about it, some of these anonymous players ARE current players. I read one article that said about 30 players, including at least a handfull of current ones, backed up the story that they practiced more than they should have


I read that too, especially about the practicing 10-10 on Sundays, which just seems insane on so many levels.

Considering how much discord the program had last year with the players (lots of transfers, lots of comments in the media) and how it seems now like the alumni are starting to get antsy, if they stink again this year, he's gone by February.

Here's their schedule:

Sat, Sep 5 Western Michigan

Sat, Sep 12 Notre Dame

Sat, Sep 19 Eastern Michigan

Sat, Sep 26 Indiana

Sat, Oct 3 @ Michigan State

Sat, Oct 10 @ Iowa

Sat, Oct 17 Delaware State

Sat, Oct 24 Penn State

Sat, Oct 31 @ Illinois

Sat, Nov 7 Purdue

Sat, Nov 14 @ Wisconsin

Sat, Nov 21 Ohio State


First off, good scheduling by Rich Rod with a young team...they don't leave the state of Michigan proper for the entire month of September, plus they've only got 4 road games all year (wow).

Someone on ESPN predicted them to go 8-4, but I don't buy it. I see them losing to Notre Dame, Michigan State, Penn State, Illinois, Wisconsin and Ohio State. That puts them 6-6 at BEST, and the Purdue game is no gimme, and neither is the Iowa game (which is in Kinnick, a really tough place to play).

[SP1!]

according to the articles I read about it, some of these anonymous players ARE current players. I read one article that said about 30 players, including at least a handfull of current ones, backed up the story that they practiced more than they should have

Freshmen players, which the press is not allowed to talk to and the press knew it, and the context was what is at issue here, they were asked if they practice a lot which is a lot compared to high school.

Now you even have tressel and the ohio state players coming out to defend him saying that if you want to be a championship caliber team you put in more than 20 hours a week and their upper classmen get they newer guys out on the field. Personally to me it sounds just like high school where work outs and other conditioning that was labeled "optional" was really mandatory to maintain position on the depth chart.

I am still willing to bet this is all it is, disgruntled former players and new players that were misled, the other players talking shit will be out casts now in college football since all programs practice/condition more than 20 hours a week.

[El Mudo]

More Rich Rod trouble...

Linked to crooked booster (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4439517)

[SP1!]

More Rich Rod trouble...

Linked to crooked booster (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4439517)

Sounds more like he was fucked by the booster

[JimBeam]

Reagrding Michigan's schedule :

Sat, Oct 17 Delaware State

Is that a I-AA school or DII ?

[SP1!]

They are part of the MEAC so its division I but they are still a weak conference, kinda like how the pac 10 used to pick on the SWAC for their patsies.

[Snoogans]

Reagrding Michigan's schedule :



Is that a I-AA school or DII ?

1AA.

[Snoogans]

50 Minutes Fools

[Snoogans]

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

fuck spurrier

[ozzie]

After last year's opening perfomance, ESPN should have known better than to kickoff the season with NC State again.

Another sloppy performance by a poorly prepared and poorly coached team.

Very fortunate that it's only 7 - 0 right now.

[razorboy]

Holy shit, Jesse Palmer has gotten crazy fat.

[Snoogans]

That game kinda blew


BUT LETS BE SAVED BY SOME TOP 20 ACTION


Im with you on this one Zep, fuck Boise, GO DUCKS

[KnoxHarrington]

I love how you can practically hear Mark May thinking, as he looks at Lou Holtz, "What the fuck am I doing here with this crazy old white man?"

Lou Holtz is AWFUL.

[razorboy]

I kinda dig the all white unis.

[KnoxHarrington]

And what made ESPN think we want to hear that hayseed homo Kenny Chesney doing the college football theme?

[razorboy]

Jesus H, maybe they should try fumbling a little more.

[ozzie]

And what made ESPN think we want to hear that hayseed homo Kenny Chesney doing the college football theme?

Everyone's looking for the next "All my rowdy friends..." intro.

Jesus, what's it been, 20 years that they've been playing variations of that damn song?!?

Yeah, sorry Kenny, you're no Bocephus.

Hell, Bocephus is no Bocephus anymore. Someone's gotta come up with something more original.

SAFETY! Damn!

Boise showing some speed on D.

[razorboy]

This is why I laugh when Pac-10 honks act like their conference doesn't blow.

[NickyL0885]

I can't believe the Ducks haven't gotten a first down yet. That's sad.

[razorboy]

It's too bad for the Ducks. I find short fat QBs amusing.

[razorboy]

Bob Davie is endlessly annoying.

[NickyL0885]

What does a school need to go to change conferences? I don't see why a team like Utah or Boise St. don't change to a BCS conference. Its seems like unless their is a playoff system, they will never get a shot at a national title, no matter how long they go undefeated.

[NickyL0885]

Wow. Blount is a piece of shit. He should be suspended at the least. Id kick him off the team.

[underdog]

Wow. Blount is a piece of shit. He should be suspended at the least. Id kick him off the team.

Really? The Boise State player was jumping around in his face and pushed him, and then got knocked the fuck down. It was fucking awesome and totally deserved.

[razorboy]

Really? The Boise State player was jumping around in his face and pushed him, and then got knocked the fuck down. It was fucking awesome and totally deserved.

C'mon, that was a sucker punch that could have landed in the back of his noggin. Hout brushed his shoulder, Blount needs to grow the fuck up.

[NickyL0885]

Really? The Boise State player was jumping around in his face and pushed him, and then got knocked the fuck down. It was fucking awesome and totally deserved.

Doesn't make it right. Blount was the one saying before the game that they needed to whip Boise St.'s asses. So, i can see why the Boise St. player said something. But hes a fucking adult. His team got beat. He needs to just deal with it.

[El Mudo]

And what made ESPN think we want to hear that hayseed homo Kenny Chesney doing the college football theme?

Probably the same reason they still use the Big and Rich song for the opening to Game Day (at least I hope not)

What does a school need to go to change conferences? I don't see why a team like Utah or Boise St. don't change to a BCS conference. Its seems like unless their is a playoff system, they will never get a shot at a national title, no matter how long they go undefeated.



If they were conceivably going to go to a major conference, the only conference I could see them going to (at least based on Geography) is the Pac 10, and they'd need another team to jump in with them (to give them 12 teams and get that nice Conference Title game). But if you're Boise, why bother? You dominate your conference every year anyway, and you still go to BCS bowls and get that BCS money as an at large if you go undefeated. If they joined the Pac 10, that conference would kill them in the long run.

[Coach_Mac]

What does a school need to go to change conferences? I don't see why a team like Utah or Boise St. don't change to a BCS conference. Its seems like unless their is a playoff system, they will never get a shot at a national title, no matter how long they go undefeated.

Well, I think the Mt. West is growing in year in respectibility. Everyone recognizes how good Utah, TCU, and BYU are. The ideal situation (which obviously won't happen) would be to replace San Diego St, UNLV, and Wyoiming with Boise, Fresno St. and Nevada and make the Mt. West a BCS conference. Yes, it would still be the weakest BCS conference but at least then, more big name schools wouldn't mind playing them.

And yes, please no more Big and Rich this year.

[underdog]

C'mon, that was a sucker punch that could have landed in the back of his noggin. Hout brushed his shoulder, Blount needs to grow the fuck up.

Doesn't make it right. Blount was the one saying before the game that they needed to whip Boise St.'s asses. So, i can see why the Boise St. player said something. But hes a fucking adult. His team got beat. He needs to just deal with it.

If you don't want to get punched, don't taunt people.

[SP1!]

Really? The Boise State player was jumping around in his face and pushed him, and then got knocked the fuck down. It was fucking awesome and totally deserved.

While the tap on blounts shoulder deserves a 1 game suspension, he didnt deserve that sucker punch, and should have gotten the same or more for that, then after the fact he deserves to be kicked off the team for being a cocksmoker and trying to attack everyone.

[SP1!]

Well, I think the Mt. West is growing in year in respectibility. Everyone recognizes how good Utah, TCU, and BYU are. The ideal situation (which obviously won't happen) would be to replace San Diego St, UNLV, and Wyoiming with Boise, Fresno St. and Nevada and make the Mt. West a BCS conference. Yes, it would still be the weakest BCS conference but at least then, more big name schools wouldn't mind playing them.

And yes, please no more Big and Rich this year.

Even that conference you are forming wouldnt be a viable conference of a BCS bid, since there are maybe 3 good teams out of the bunch with the rest being doormats and no TCU and BYU are not that good.

If you don't want to get punched, don't taunt people.

Well to be honest, blount started it earlier this week so obviously he is just a bitch who cant take the payback for his big mouth and his negative yardage for the game. Hes a punk who deserves to get thrown out and his scholarship revoked.


Oh and it wasnt a shove, it was a tap on the shoulder pads, blount was just pissed because he got manhandled in that game

[led37zep]

Ugh.

[led37zep]

Really? The Boise State player was jumping around in his face and pushed him, and then got knocked the fuck down. It was fucking awesome and totally deserved.

I love you underdog. I'll send you a Blount T-shirt as soon as I get back to Oregon

[TheGameHHH]

i think both of those kids are whiny fucking douchbags. i hope Blount gets suspended and that fat ass from Boise St has a broken jaw. his white boy smirk right before he got snuffed made me wanna jump at him and kick his fat fucking ass.

[SP1!]

i think both of those kids are whiny fucking douchbags. i hope Blount gets suspended and that fat ass from Boise St has a broken jaw. his white boy smirk right before he got snuffed made me wanna jump at him and kick his fat fucking ass.

Well the back story of blount talking so much shit in the off season makes his reaction more understandable, he should have just went up to him and said that shit instead of tapping him on the shoulder since hes obviously unstable.

[Snoogans]

i think both of those kids are whiny fucking douchbags. i hope Blount gets suspended and that fat ass from Boise St has a broken jaw. his white boy smirk right before he got snuffed made me wanna jump at him and kick his fat fucking ass.

when i think of you fighting I picture that Turtle lookin guy that Jermaine O'Neal knocked the fuck out in Detroit

[Snoogans]

Boise announced they will not discipline the kid who got punched

[SP1!]

Boise announced they will not discipline the kid who got punched

I guess looking like a dumbass on national TV is enough punishment.

[JimBeam]

He did go down like Glass Jaw Joe.

I didn't see much of the game but have seen the " fight " highlights a few times and think this Blount kid is a puss.

First of all he somewhat sucker punched the guy and then kept backpedaling like a sissy.

Not sure if you saw when he pushed the guy on his own team, #88 I think.

I'm not sure how he didn't get arrested, not for the punch, but for what clearly appaears to be resisiting the lawful order of a peace officer or something like that.

I've seen guys do less than that outside of bars and get locked up.

It's good to know he might've screwed himself though :

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4445041&name=nfl_draft&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fesp n%2fblog%2findex%3fentryID%3d4445041%26name%3dnfl_ draft

[SP1!]

He did go down like Glass Jaw Joe.
Yeah that was more because he tripped rather than getting knocked out, then blount backpedaled because hout isnt exactly small, his neck is the size of blounts thighs.

[underdog]

I love you underdog. I'll send you a Blount T-shirt as soon as I get back to Oregon

Sweet.

i think both of those kids are whiny fucking douchbags. i hope Blount gets suspended and that fat ass from Boise St has a broken jaw. his white boy smirk right before he got snuffed made me wanna jump at him and kick his fat fucking ass.

I agree with all this.

Yeah that was more because he tripped rather than getting knocked out, then blount backpedaled because hout isnt exactly small, his neck is the size of blounts thighs.

What?! Watch the slow-mo replay, sunshine. He didn't trip. His eyes went up into his head.

[Snoogans]

I actually have to say Im impressed with Oregon. They suspended him for the whole year, but allowed him to stay in school and get an education and learn from his mistake, and they will let him practice to stay in shape incase he still does get a chance at the NFL.

[TheGameHHH]

I actually have to say Im impressed with Oregon. They suspended him for the whole year, but allowed him to stay in school and get an education and learn from his mistake, and they will let him practice to stay in shape incase he still does get a chance at the NFL.

i was listening to some college football analysts on ESPN and they were saying this could drop him from a 4th or 5th round player to undraftable. imagine losing millions of dollars over a punch?

[Snoogans]

i was listening to some college football analysts on ESPN and they were saying this could drop him from a 4th or 5th round player to undraftable. imagine losing millions of dollars over a punch?

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[Snoogans]

Fuck Greg Paulus for making me sit through a Syracuse Minnie game

[Snoogans]

Minnesota sucks balls

[Snoogans]

Paulus hasnt looked near as bad as I expected. I figured this was a pub stunt but he looks like he can play a little

[Snoogans]

12 for 17 for 127 1TDs no INTs

not bad for a guy who hasnt touched football since HS

[TheGameHHH]

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i said A punch, not several punches

[Snoogans]

i said A punch, not several punches

oh so what. Like it didnt make you smile? Who doesnt love this clip

[TheGameHHH]

oh so what. Like it didnt make you smile? Who doesnt love this clip

oh it made me smile. its a great clip. i wish there was a sound bed over it of him singing his MJ tribute song, 'michael michael michael you my nigga'

[Snoogans]

oh it made me smile. its a great clip. i wish there was a sound bed over it of him singing his MJ tribute song, 'michael michael michael you my nigga'

That mighta been the greatest song ever

[Snoogans]

If Cuse with Paulus and a 1st time head coach beats minnesota they big ten should be relagated to 1AA

[hammersavage]

If Cuse with Paulus and a 1st time head coach beats minnesota they big ten should be relagated to 1AA

Paulus looks pretty competent. And whoever the new offensive coordinator is has done a great job mixing plays up. Maybe they aren't a total cakewalk again this year.

[Snoogans]

Paulus looks pretty competent. And whoever the new offensive coordinator is has done a great job mixing plays up. Maybe they aren't a total cakewalk again this year.

I know and that scares me. This place gets fuckin loud and Rutgers plays there. Paulus better start to suck soon.

Overall they look good though. The receivers have been huge and the D is fired up

[Snoogans]

Maybe we jumped the gun

[Snoogans]

Navy has got within 20-14 against Overrated State

[disneyspy]

Navy has got within 20-14 against Overrated State

i hate state(michigan and ohio),c'mon navy,stupid montana state

the minnesota/syracuse game is great

[Snoogans]

29-21 OSU over Navy right now AND NAVY JUST PICKED IT. GO SHIPS

[disneyspy]

Holy Shit Yes!!!!!!

[Snoogans]

Tressel just called time out. 29-27 with navy's 2 point try coming

[NickyL0885]

Wow. great games early. Cuse is doing well. Navy is giving a good game to Ohio St. I have decided this year to give college football a chance. and Im liking it so far.

[Snoogans]

Wow. great games early. Cuse is doing well. Navy is giving a good game to Ohio St. I have decided this year to give college football a chance. and Im liking it so far.

you must love watchin this triple option. So fuckin tough to stop

[Snoogans]

What The Fuck Is Dobbs Doin?

[disneyspy]

Holy Shit No!!

[Donnie Iris]

Well, there goes the Navy upset

[Snoogans]

Ohio State is so fuckin lucky. I hate them so much. Im so sick of people thinkin they are good. BUMS. how are they ranked 6th. So boring

[Snoogans]

Well, there goes the Navy upset

Yea coach blew it there but what a terrible pass

[disneyspy]

i wonder if paulus will try 4 years of baseball at texas after hes done at syracuse

[Snoogans]

i wonder if paulus will try 4 years of baseball at texas after hes done at syracuse

he only gets 1 year at cuse

[disneyspy]

he only gets 1 year at cuse

you should change your boardname to mr obvious

[Snoogans]

you should change your boardname to mr obvious

you should try to make your jokes funny

[disneyspy]

you should try to make your jokes funny

go enter a hotdog eatin contest,you hippo'd navy

[Snoogans]

by giving updates of the score? I didnt say Navy would win. Man you try WAY too hard

[disneyspy]

they've got the IOWA/NOTHERN IOWA game on the BIG10 network,NIS is within field goal range

[disneyspy]

7 seconds left--
time out

[disneyspy]

kick is up

BLOCKED!!

[Snoogans]

the big ten is so lucky and awful

[Snoogans]

good now Cuse is gonna blow it too

[disneyspy]

another BIG10 team pulls it out ,this is gonna be a cool season in BIG10 football if all games are this close

GO BLUE!

[TheGameHHH]

wow. so far i dont actually hate Notre Dame's offense. D needs to tighten up a bit but otherwise they look good.

[disneyspy]

wow. so far i dont actually hate Notre Dame's offense. D needs to tighten up a bit but otherwise they look good.

meechigan is lookin good this year,should be a good UM/ND game next week

[TNABuffalo]

wow. so far i dont actually hate Notre Dame's offense. D needs to tighten up a bit but otherwise they look good.

Nev needs to do something about blocking.....that QB is going to get killed by the end of the game.

[NickyL0885]

Oklahoma St. is playing some good D against Georgia. They lead 17-7 in the 3rd.

[Snoogans]

Dez Bryant looked pretty good. They were teein off on him too.

bradford is hurt and out

[TNABuffalo]

This VT Al game is fucking great

[Freakshow]

If Cuse with Paulus and a 1st time head coach beats minnesota they big ten should be relagated to 1AA

Well, at least we can still play the Rose Bowl, cause the Pac 10 should be relegated to 1AA after Oregon lost to Boise State.

Oh, wait 1AA has a playoff like a real fucking sport...

[ozzie]

Just got back from Auburn, and getting caught up.

Not one comment from the board on the BYU game?

Anyone see any of the West Virginia game? Just curious about the 33 - 20 win over Liberty? We've got WVU coming up in two weeks and I was wondering how their post-Pat-White offense looked with Brown at QB.

Virginia lost to William & Mary? And Duke lost to Richmond?

Maybe it's the ACC that should think about dropping to 1-AA

[Dudeman]

Well, at least we can still play the Rose Bowl, cause the Pac 10 should be relegated to 1AA after Oregon lost to Boise State.

Oh, wait 1AA has a playoff like a real fucking sport...

Where does that put the ACC after Cal 52, Maryland 13?

[JimBeam]

So the Big 10 got away with squeaker wins against Navy and Northern Iowa.

I still haven't seen the highlights yet but how the hell do you get 2 FGs blocked within 7 seconds ?

[JimBeam]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4451405

It doesn't seem like much but this move could've pissed off Tressel, the school and/or the NCAA.

We might not have heard the last of this.

[ozzie]

So the Big 10 got away with squeaker wins against Navy and Northern Iowa.

I still haven't seen the highlights yet but how the hell do you get 2 FGs blocked within 7 seconds ?

First FG attempt was on first down. The kick was blocked and N. Iowa recovered behind the line of scrimmage, so they retained possesion and got another try.

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[Dudeman]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4451405

It doesn't seem like much but this move could've pissed off Tressel, the school and/or the NCAA.

We might not have heard the last of this.

"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world," Pryor said of Vick. "Everyone does -- kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me."

[disneyspy]

ummm rutgers?

[DiabloSammich]

ummm rutgers?



This would be a perfect post for the MPW thread.

[NateCantDance]

Just watched the Minny/Syracuse game on my DVR. Initial thoughts:

- These teams are both going to be horrible this year.
- Greg Paulus has the weakest arm in Div-I football. I mean seriously.
- Syracuse knows they are bad. They run Wildcat 35% of the time and the rest of the plays are bubble screens.
- I hate the spread offense. It's gimmicky and amateurish. It's razzle dazzle in place of talent.
- Minnesota's switch from the spread offense to a pro-style offense did not go well. We should switch back.
- Eric Decker is a man.
- Minnesota has no push from it's offensive line.
- Minnesota looks SLOW. We have no athletes. Even our #1 WR looks like he's running in snow.

It's going to be a long year.

[TheGameHHH]

ummm rutgers?

rutgers fans are so cute, they like to think they can play football with big boys only to realize they should probably be playing Division 3.

great job spending a ton of money to upgrade the facilities but forgetting to upgrade the actual team. maybe they think if they spend enough money they wont look so silly when they get their asses kicked.

[disneyspy]

rutgers fans are so cute, they like to think they can play football with big boys only to realize they should probably be playing Division 3.

great job spending a ton of money to upgrade the facilities but forgetting to upgrade the actual team. maybe they think if they spend enough money they wont look so silly when they get their asses kicked.

are you kidding me? rutgers fans know their team is awesome and plays in a powerhouse conference,the mighty cinncinati team is just gettin lucky by scorin on every drive

[JimBeam]

First FG attempt was on first down. The kick was blocked and N. Iowa recovered behind the line of scrimmage, so they retained possesion and got another try.

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Ozzie, thanks for posting the video. I was too lazy to go find it.

The UNI win would've been the 1st in 112 years. That's pretty crazy.

You've gotta be hating things if you're the kicker and/or O-line for getting 2 shots to end 112 years of futility and blowing it.

I guess either way she still wake up in northern Iowa.

[ozzie]

AWWWWWWWWW SHIT:
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7928/picture60s.jpg

Wonder how many times Snoogans said "Aw shit" today.

Sorry Snoogans.

[JimBeam]

In Rutgers defense, which they seemed to be lacking based on the score, at least they lost to a D1 if not " real " BCS league team.

The ACC's losses to William & Mary and Richmond are gonna hurt that conference all year.

[El Mudo]

Just got back from Auburn, and getting caught up.

Not one comment from the board on the BYU game?

Anyone see any of the West Virginia game? Just curious about the 33 - 20 win over Liberty? We've got WVU coming up in two weeks and I was wondering how their post-Pat-White offense looked with Brown at QB.

Virginia lost to William & Mary? And Duke lost to Richmond?

Maybe it's the ACC that should think about dropping to 1-AA

Al Groh should be fired. They can't recruit locally. All the big Virginia guys now go to Tech, and they OWN the Hampton area. Couple that with Penn State's influence in the area, and West Virginia's and Maryland's, its tough to get great players there consistently. He should have been fired last year, but they had like 5 4th quarter comebacks to save his ass.

I can give Cutcliffe some slack at Duke; I think its only his second year there, and Richmond is a REALLY good mid major program (they are the defending FCS Champions).

Anyone who doesn't think there's already a playoff (the regular season) in College Football need only look at the fact that Oklahoma is DONE in regards to being a national title contender. They'd have to completely run the table at this point (which ain't happenin) and get help on the way. Scary of scaries, we actually could be looking at a BYU/Boise National Title Game, which would officially mean we are in bizarro world.

[El Mudo]

Where does that put the ACC after Cal 52, Maryland 13?

48 Freshmen vs. Jahvid Best = Yikes.

[JimBeam]

... BYU/Boise National Title Game ...

This won't happen because 1 if not both will have a loss by year's end.

A 1 loss team from a major BCS conference would still get in over either of these.

[KnoxHarrington]

I am amused by the fact that while Florida State's kicker nailed a 52 yard FG early in this game, he has since missed one PAT, and almost missed another, bouncing it off the upright and through.

What is it with Florida State and kickers?

[KnoxHarrington]

This won't happen because 1 if not both will have a loss by year's end.

A 1 loss team from a major BCS conference would still get in over either of these.

No way in hell a team from outside the major conferences (except for Notre Dame, of course) ever makes the BCS "Championship" (sic) game.

Maybe, just maybe, if a team like Boise or BYU was undefeated and there were no other undefeated teams in the major conferences, but even then I'm sure they'd find a way to fuck them out of it.

[TheGameHHH]

I am amused by the fact that while Florida State's kicker nailed a 52 yard FG early in this game, he has since missed one PAT, and almost missed another, bouncing it off the upright and through.

What is it with Florida State and kickers?

theyre drunks

[hammersavage]

I am amused by the fact that while Florida State's kicker nailed a 52 yard FG early in this game, he has since missed one PAT, and almost missed another, bouncing it off the upright and through.

What is it with Florida State and kickers?

Pretty compelling game.


I think its been a great opening weekend for college football. A ton of good games and more storylines than I can ever remember.

[KnoxHarrington]

Pretty compelling game.


I think its been a great opening weekend for college football. A ton of good games and more storylines than I can ever remember.

It did kind of get off to a slow start with that garbage Boise State/Oregon game Thursday night, but there have been some great games since then, especially this one.

[hammersavage]

It did kind of get off to a slow start with that garbage Boise State/Oregon game Thursday night, but there have been some great games since then, especially this one.

Shitty game but I haven't heard so many people I know who aren't fans talk about a college football game before. Bad reason, sure, but still a huge story. Bradfords injury, ND rolling, some wild finishes. I'm way into it this year.

[KnoxHarrington]

Hey Miami, quick note: squib kicks don't usually work.

[KnoxHarrington]

Hell of a game.

But you still suck, "The U".

[Snoogans]

Wonder how many times Snoogans said "Aw shit" today.

Sorry Snoogans.

They didnt even fight. If they lost and played well and just got beat, I can accept that. But they never even had a fuckin chance.

Natale is the WORST. Just go all Savage and lets let this kid learn. Fuck Lovelace too

[Snoogans]

the Tailgating was great though.

It was me and dash and we had a few steaks, chicken legs, salmon, some corn on the cob and that was after our lobster appetizers. I shoulda just left then

[hammersavage]

Just go all Savage and lets let this kid learn.

fuck yea

[Snoogans]

If Natale sees the field again without injury im gonna flip

[TheGameHHH]

that was a fun game

[El Mudo]

This won't happen because 1 if not both will have a loss by year's end.

A 1 loss team from a major BCS conference would still get in over either of these.

BYU's Schedule:

September 5 vs. No. 3 Oklahoma* W 14-13 1-0 (0-0)
September 12 at Tulane
September 19 No. 18 Florida State
September 26 Colorado State
October 2 Utah State
October 10 at UNLV
October 17 at San Diego State
October 24 No. 17 TCU
November 7 at Wyoming
November 14 at New Mexico
November 21 Air Force
November 28 No. 19 Utah

Boise's schedule

September 3 No. 16 Oregon W 19-8 1-0 (0-0)
September 12 Miami (OH)
September 18 at Fresno State
September 26 at Bowling Green
October 3 UC Davis
October 14 at Tulsa
October 25 at Hawaii
October 31 San Jose State
November 6 at Louisiana Tech
November 14 Idaho
November 20 at Utah State
November 27 Nevada
December 5 New Mexico State

I think with Boise's schedule, they have a MUCH better chance to run the table than BYU. But considering that USC and Ohio State play each other, Oklahoma has already been eliminated (and still has to play Texas) and Florida could certainly trip up along the way (especially if it has to play Bama in the SEC title game). If it comes down to Boise or BYU both being undefeated, I can't see how they wouldn't take BYU, not with that schedule, which is pretty tough.

I think in the past the problem has been they aren't getting the love from the polls. Since they already don't get love from the computers, its what kills them in the averages. I think now that they're "on the radar" and starting the season out ranked so high, the positions the high ranking they have in the polls could help cancel out the relatively low rankings they would get in the computers (and BYU's ranking in the computers won't be so low because they're playing some real quality teams). I think this year is the best chance of the non BCS teams to possibly make the title game.

[SP1!]

What?! Watch the slow-mo replay, sunshine. He didn't trip. His eyes went up into his head.
Yes, thats why he popped right back up, check the replay again, he was sliding away and his eyes were rolling back before he ever was hit, off balance and a solid hit means he goes down, after the hit he popped right back up and was held back by his head coach so he didnt go after him. It wasnt like he was laid out on the turf.


Geez and I didnt think Rutgers was very good but Cincy handed them their asses, greg may be regretting going to miami by the end of the year.

[SP1!]

No way in hell a team from outside the major conferences (except for Notre Dame, of course) ever makes the BCS "Championship" (sic) game.

Maybe, just maybe, if a team like Boise or BYU was undefeated and there were no other undefeated teams in the major conferences, but even then I'm sure they'd find a way to fuck them out of it.
If BYU goes undefeated this year then they will make it to the NC game, their schedule and a domination of OU and knocking out bradford will put them over the top.

[JimBeam]

They're not going to get credit for " knocking out bradford ".

Sure they'll get respect for the win but that's all.

No voter's gonna sit there and say " Hmmm I've got a 1 loss Alabama/UF team and an undefeated BYU team. What makes them differnt ? Oh I know, BYU knocked the QB out of the 1st game. Let's let them play for the championship. "

Keep in mind that if Oklahoma doesn't respond and loses a few more games it wouldn't help BYU.

Every loss for Oklahoma from here on out would impact BYU negatively.

[SP1!]

They're not going to get credit for " knocking out bradford ".

Sure they'll get respect for the win but that's all.

No voter's gonna sit there and say " Hmmm I've got a 1 loss Alabama/UF team and an undefeated BYU team. What makes them differnt ? Oh I know, BYU knocked the QB out of the 1st game. Let's let them play for the championship. "

Keep in mind that if Oklahoma doesn't respond and loses a few more games it wouldn't help BYU.

Every loss for Oklahoma from here on out would impact BYU negatively.

Yes it would but I still think OU will finish with 9-10 wins easily and BYU doesnt exactly play a creampuff schedule like they did in the past they added FSU and decent teams. The SEC is down this year with only one real stand out team but after last years shit I think the voters would put them in there. If you dont think voters and sportwriters wont remember the pressure they put on him during that game you are crazy, they got to bradford more than florida did last year.

That all goes out the window if BYU loses even one more game though.

[ozzie]

The SEC is down this year with only one real stand out team...

Are you basing this on Georgia losing to Ok State?

The rest of the SEC went 11 - 0 on opening weekend. I realize most weren't against great teams, but there were some impressive offensive performances.

Auburn, Tennessee, Arkansas and Vanderbilt each put up over 550 yards of offense, and Mississippi State under Mullen has upgraded their offense as well, and they didn't have Dixon last week. Vandy had two freshman who each ran for over 100 yards, and Auburn had two over the century mark, with our true freshman McCalebb getting 148.

Bama is breaking in a new QB as well, but showed that he won't have to win games for them by himself. They're a legit top 10 team.

Jefferson at LSU had a little experience last year, and has a lot of upside. They've still got a ton of talent and speed, and will be dangerous when they get it all together.

I'm not completely sold on Ole Miss being a top 10 team yet, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until they lose.

A lot of new coaches, a lot of new quarterbacks, and a lot of freshmen seeing playing time. Who knows how they'll perform when the opposition gets tougher. It very well could be a down year, but I think it's way too soon to tell.

[Freakshow]

Al Groh should be fired. They can't recruit locally. All the big Virginia guys now go to Tech, and they OWN the Hampton area. Couple that with Penn State's influence in the area, and West Virginia's and Maryland's, its tough to get great players there consistently. He should have been fired last year, but they had like 5 4th quarter comebacks to save his ass.


Groh lost Al Golden to Temple, along with Mark D'onfrio, who were his main recruiters (and both Penn State guys, too).

[El Mudo]

Groh lost Al Golden to Temple, along with Mark D'onfrio, who were his main recruiters (and both Penn State guys, too).

Same thing happened here at Maryland when Mike Locksley left to go to Florida a few years ago (he was pretty much responsible for recruiting most of the guys for the 10 win teams in the early 00s like Vernon Davis and Shawne Merriman). He got a bunch of local guys there during the Zook era (like Derrick Harvey), and then followed Zook to Illinois and got guys like Arrelious Benn for him. He's pretty much THE guy for the DC area (he's now the head coach of New Mexico). In a way, we've never been the same since he and James Franklin left (although Franklin's now back).

[SP1!]

Are you basing this on Georgia losing to Ok State?

The rest of the SEC went 11 - 0 on opening weekend. I realize most weren't against great teams, but there were some impressive offensive performances.

Auburn, Tennessee, Arkansas and Vanderbilt each put up over 550 yards of offense, and Mississippi State under Mullen has upgraded their offense as well, and they didn't have Dixon last week. Vandy had two freshman who each ran for over 100 yards, and Auburn had two over the century mark, with our true freshman McCalebb getting 148.

Bama is breaking in a new QB as well, but showed that he won't have to win games for them by himself. They're a legit top 10 team.

Jefferson at LSU had a little experience last year, and has a lot of upside. They've still got a ton of talent and speed, and will be dangerous when they get it all together.

I'm not completely sold on Ole Miss being a top 10 team yet, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until they lose.

A lot of new coaches, a lot of new quarterbacks, and a lot of freshmen seeing playing time. Who knows how they'll perform when the opposition gets tougher. It very well could be a down year, but I think it's way too soon to tell.

I think it is a down year at the start but the player very well may play up to it by the end of the year but its always a down year when ole miss and ark is said to have a shot at the west title. Bama is ok but that was a bad VT team in a bad ACC.

God I hope Clemson rolls over GT tonight, you would think those faggots won the NC the way they talk down here in georgia, they win one fucking game in 8 years against us and wont shut up. I guess when youre used to losing to a team one win does feel like a big deal.

[JimBeam]

... ole miss and ark is said to have a shot at the west title ...

Don't SEC fans, myself included, always argue how strong the conference is top to bottom ?

Now the conference is down because 2 bowl teams from last year have a shot at winning the league ?

Arkansas won the West a few years ago so why are they now the red headed step child ?

[SP1!]

Don't SEC fans, myself included, always argue how strong the conference is top to bottom ?

Now the conference is down because 2 bowl teams from last year have a shot at winning the league ?

Arkansas won the West a few years ago so why are they now the red headed step child ?
Well yes if all they had to play was pac 10 schools then yeah they would be strong, but in the SEC they are weak, besides arkansas is a decimated program right now, there is no way they should be contending less than 2 years after that major upheaval.

The ACC had what, 8 bowl teams last year? Can you really think the ACC is a good conference?

[JimBeam]

I don't think the ACC is the best by any means but they did have the best non-conference record last year as well as sent the most teams to bowls.

When the SEC does that we appalud them.

Although it looks like, at least after 1 week, that the ACC will be down from last year w/ the 2 losses to non-D1 teams.

[ozzie]

The ACC had what, 8 bowl teams last year? Can you really think the ACC is a good conference?

The ACC put 10 of their 12 teams into bowl games, and they were 4 - 6 in those games. (0 - 2 vs. SEC Teams)

W - Wake Forest 29 - Navy 19

L - West Virginia 31 - N. Carolina 30

W - FSU 42 - Wisconsin 13

L - Cal 24 - Miami 17

L - Rutgers 29 - NC State 23

W - Maryland 42 - Nevada 35

L - Vanderbilt 16 - Boston College 14

L - LSU 38 - Georgia Tech 3

L - Nebraska 26 - Clemson 21

W - Va Tech 20 - Cincinnati 7

[ozzie]

And... just because I know the question is coming...

The SEC put 8 of 12 into bowl games, and were 6 - 2 in those games, including winning the MNC:


W - Vanderbilt 16 - Boston College 14

W - LSU 38 - Georgia Tech 3

L - Iowa 31 - South Carolina 10

W - Georgia 24 - Michigan State 12

W - Ole Miss 47 - Texas Tech 34

W - Kentucky 25 - East Carolina 19

L - Utah 31 - Bama 17

W - Florida 24 - Oklahoma 14


Tennessee, Auburn and Arkansas each had 5 wins and didn't qualify for bowls. (MSU had 4)

[Dudeman]

I don't think the ACC is the best by any means but they did have the best non-conference record last year as well as sent the most teams to bowls.


Because teams with only 6 wins get into bowls and most of a team's games are in conference, the number of teams that go to bowls from one conference is often just a reflection of parity within the conference. In other words, if a bunch of teams just go .500 or a little better in conference and win 1 or 2 non-conference games, then alot will go to bowl games.

[JimBeam]

The SEC has sent several 6 or 7 win teams to bowl games in the past few years.

Actually there were times when they sent less because they failed to qualify with the minimum 6 wins.

SEC fans would still boast about the fact that they sent X amount of teams regardless of how many wins those teams had.

And let me reiterate I'm a fan of the SEC conference as a whole.

I can just be fair and judge like situations fairly.

[ozzie]

The SEC has sent several 6 or 7 win teams to bowl games in the past few years.

Actually there were times when they sent less because they failed to qualify with the minimum 6 wins.

SEC fans would still boast about the fact that they sent X amount of teams regardless of how many wins those teams had.

And let me reiterate I'm a fan of the SEC conference as a whole.

I can just be fair and judge like situations fairly.


I guess that's my point as well.

You can't judge a conference by the number of teams that make bowl games under this ridiculous system with 34 bowl games.

34 x 2 = 68 teams in bowl games

68 / 120 = 56.66% of all of the D-1A teams appearing in a bowl.

It's meaningless anymore.

By contrast, only 26.66% (8 of 30) of the MLB teams make the playoffs.

Only 37.5% (12 of 32) of the NFL teams make the playoffs.

Granted, 53.33% (16 of 30) of the NBA and NHL Teams make the playoffs, but we're talking about real sports league's here.


I'll say it again... a 16 team playoff is the way to go. That's 13.33% of D-1A teams.

[SP1!]

Because teams with only 6 wins get into bowls and most of a team's games are in conference, the number of teams that go to bowls from one conference is often just a reflection of parity within the conference. In other words, if a bunch of teams just go .500 or a little better in conference and win 1 or 2 non-conference games, then alot will go to bowl games.

The ACC is a horrible conference and has even dropped below the big east in my opinion, its not about parity in the conference its that it sucks as a whole and without luck they would be really bad.

Im an SEC fan as well so dont take me saying the conference is down as just another person hating on them, outside of florida who is a contender? Last year you could have said 3 or 4 had a shot at the NC, but using that as a measuring stick then yes, the conference is down.

I really do think that the next few years is scary for the rest of the NCAA though, the SEC is a young league right now and when they mature they will roll over all other teams.

And fucking GT got lucky tonight against a bad Clemson team.

[Dudeman]

The ACC is a horrible conference and has even dropped below the big east in my opinion, its not about parity in the conference its that it sucks as a whole and without luck they would be really bad.


My point is that the number that get into a bowl is not dependent on how good a conference is, rather it is dependent on the number that get 6 wins, which can be high if lots of teams in a conference get go .500 in the conference to get 5 wins. Even bowl record is BS becuase they'll have the 5th place team from one conference play the 2nd place team, just to get a fair game.

[SP1!]

I understand that but too many people are equating wins to conference parity and thats just bullshit, the game tonight proved that, GT is supposed to be a contender for the ACC title and they had to rely on a return TD and a gimmick play to pull out a win otherwise they lose by 9.

The ACC is regressing, its weird that BC, Miami, VT, and FSU has joined and they look worse than they did in the 80s.

[El Mudo]

That GTech/Clemson game last night pretty much spelled out every reason I love college football. There was:

-An 82 yard TD run

-A diving interception in the end zone (called back)

-A pooch punt returned for a TD (featuring a kicker being completely flattened by two defensive players)

-A fake field goal TD pass

And this all happened in about 10 minutes in the first quarter.

[ozzie]

Well put El Mudo.

For all the negative things said about the ACC, they have played the two best games I've seen so far this season.

I flipped a few times over to the Steelers vs Titans, but doing so just re-enforced why I love and prefer college football to the NFL.

It's not often that the NFL plays opposite of a great college football game, and the contrast between the two was striking.

The NFL regular season does not even compare to the emotion and passion of college players and fans.

[SP1!]

Oh you will get no argument from me that the pro game can never match the intensity of the college game, the people who say that grew up in the northeast where there are no good football teams. That steelers/titans game was kind of boring.

Still that cannot prove that the ACC is a strong conference, its amazing that all those big east teams look worse and play worse once they joined the ACC.

[ozzie]

Hell, I can watch two evenly matched high school teams play and recognize and enjoy a great game.

I just fucking love watching a great football game, regardless of the level of play.

But... yeah... I'm afraid that GT can probably only go as far as Nesbitt can take them... and watching some of his throws last night, that might not be very far.

I "get" the triple option and all, but I think the second half showed that teams will be able to adjust and stuff it at times. Sooner or later they're going to have to look to him to make throws, especially if they keep leaving themselves in 3rd and long situations.

Now that I've seen NCST, VT, GT, Clemson, FSU and Miami play... I don't see a clear front runner from that conference that looks like they could make a run at a MNC.

Still haven't seen UNC yet though.

[El Mudo]

Oh you will get no argument from me that the pro game can never match the intensity of the college game, the people who say that grew up in the northeast where there are no good football teams. That steelers/titans game was kind of boring.

Still that cannot prove that the ACC is a strong conference, its amazing that all those big east teams look worse and play worse once they joined the ACC.



Its not a "strong" conference in the traditional sense because its not a football conference. Its a basketball conference (and all the basketball purists HAAAAATE the fact that they brought in the 3 football schools for the Conference Title game money, to which I say; go screw).

I think it has the potential to become a "strong" conference eventually, but they're in a difficult spot recruiting wise. All the kids north of the mid atlantic are eaten up by the Big 10, and most of the kids in the south go to SEC schools. It also doesn't help that there's been so much chaos in the coaching ranks, particularly at Clemson, Boston College, Miami, and Florida State is ushering out the Bowden Era. Not to mention that EVERYBODY has their hands in the Florida talent pool nowadays, and its not just one or two schools like it used to be with FSU and Miami.

[SP1!]

Its not a "strong" conference in the traditional sense because its not a football conference. Its a basketball conference (and all the basketball purists HAAAAATE the fact that they brought in the 3 football schools for the Conference Title game money, to which I say; go screw).

I think it has the potential to become a "strong" conference eventually, but they're in a difficult spot recruiting wise. All the kids north of the mid atlantic are eaten up by the Big 10, and most of the kids in the south go to SEC schools. It also doesn't help that there's been so much chaos in the coaching ranks, particularly at Clemson, Boston College, Miami, and Florida State is ushering out the Bowden Era. Not to mention that EVERYBODY has their hands in the Florida talent pool nowadays, and its not just one or two schools like it used to be with FSU and Miami.

Yeah I guess, but it shocks me how far those teams dropped once they joined the ACC, Miami, BC, VT were almost always in the top 10 before they joined the ACC and now they are barely in the top 25 at best.

And FSU has one of the best coaches in waiting behind bowden so thats not an excuse for them.

[JimBeam]

... Miami, BC, VT were almost always in the top 10 before they joined the ACC and now they are barely in the top 25 at best.

Plenty of schools that were perennial powerhouses have taken a hit in the last 15 years.

Michigan, ND, Colorado, USC, Bama, LSU, UF, etc ...

Whether it be due to NCAA violations, coaching changes, or parity in football altogether.

It's cyclical.

[Snoogans]

Plenty of schools that were perennial powerhouses have taken a hit in the last 15 years.

Michigan, ND, Colorado, USC, Bama, LSU, UF, etc ...

Whether it be due to NCAA violations, coaching changes, or parity in football altogether.

It's cyclical.

alot of it is having more to do with the overall scholarship reductions by the NCAA as well

[JimBeam]

I agree.

But I think it was SP who poo-pooed the idea of parity a while back.

[Snoogans]

I agree.

But I think it was SP who poo-pooed the idea of parity a while back.

All the NCAA is doin is tryin for parity.

[El Mudo]

Yeah I guess, but it shocks me how far those teams dropped once they joined the ACC, Miami, BC, VT were almost always in the top 10 before they joined the ACC and now they are barely in the top 25 at best.

And FSU has one of the best coaches in waiting behind bowden so thats not an excuse for them.



FSU doesn't recruit NEARLY as well as they used to, because they can't compete with Florida and the other SEC schools. It took FSU what.....8 years to lose a conference game in the ACC? That stuff simply doesn't happen any longer. Its a different game nowadays (and Bowden keeps talking about staying on even into the "penalty" they'd have to pay Jimbo Fisher if they don't hire him, because he's obsessed with keeping his stupid wins record)

There's more parity because the game is "global" now. Its not a regional game any longer. Maryland has guys from Georgia, North Carolina, New York, California, and places as distant as Massachusetts and South Carolina. That stuff NEVER used to happen, and we're on the low end of the college football map. I can only imagine how many different areas a big time school like Southern Cal or Florida has its influence in.

The Boise States, the Utahs, the BYUs...those guys used to go be the third or 4th string at places like Oklahoma and Texas and Southern Cal. Doesn't happen any longer. In the age of youtube and ESPN, it doesn't matter where you play, you're going to get on TV or the internet at some point.

[ozzie]

FSU doesn't recruit NEARLY as well as they used to, because they can't compete with Florida and the other SEC schools.

I have to disagree. Auburn, Georgia and Bama go head to head with FSU for players almost every year, and FSU gets their share.

FSU has just made some bad choices in the last 10 years or so, and hasn't done much with the talent they've had.

I'm surrounded by a lot of disgruntled FSU fans every day who have been frustrated with coordinators and coaching, but I've never heard their decreased number of wins blamed on not having talented players.

I will agree that head to head with Florida, they have been losing out lately, but FSU still has a ton of quality players to choose from.

[ozzie]

If you buy into the Rivals.com recruiting class rankings, here's where they've ranked Miami and FSU's classes since 2002...

2002 - FSU #4 - Miami #8
2003 - FSU #21 - Miami #5
2004 - FSU #3 - Miami #4
2005 - FSU #2 - Miami #7
2006 - FSU #3 - Miami #14
2007 - FSU #21 - Miami #19
2008 - FSU #9 - Miami #5
2009 - FSU #7 - Miami #15

You would think that top 10 classes would have translated into top 10 teams.

I don't think either can blame the talent they've recruited.

There's no doubt that Florida is ruling the state of late, and that Bama has been dominating on the recruiting trail since Saban arrived, but there's plenty of talent in the state of Florida for the others, and they're getting theirs.

[SP1!]

I agree.

But I think it was SP who poo-pooed the idea of parity a while back.

Parity will never happen as long as the schools are not seen as equal, like it or not some places graduate their players to the NFL at a much more consistent rate than other schools.

Its why georgia tech talks so much shit when they finally beat georgia, they know that most of the best players in the state usually choose UGA over tech and in the past history the SEC usually gets their players in the NFL.

Of course I cant explain why miami is now sucky when they have had a ton of NFL players, I guess it can be linked back to coaching, but those teams all of a sudden playing at a lower level does not mean parity has set in.

Oh and colorado was never a powerhouse, they had a few good years in the late 80s early 90s and people forget that USC sucked for a long time up until carrol got there.

[SP1!]

Maybe there is a good reason Michigan lost to Toledo last year, they look pretty good in the first half.


Oh and I love ESPN 360, I didnt even know our internet provider gave it to us for free!

[SP1!]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4465447

Nice choice Richt, lets start the QB with a dead shoulder when we have a mobile QB and not just one but TWO 5 star QB recruits on the bench.

Jesus this season is going to give me an ulcer.

Oh and Toledo is just embarrassing Colorado tonight, what a bad showing by the big 12

[Snoogans]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4465447

Nice choice Richt, lets start the QB with a dead shoulder when we have a mobile QB and not just one but TWO 5 star QB recruits on the bench.

Jesus this season is going to give me an ulcer.

Oh and Toledo is just embarrassing Colorado tonight, what a bad showing by the big 12
2nd flop in a row for colorado, not counting the 24 flops from the last 2 years

[Freakshow]

Toledo is actually a pretty good program overall. When they beat Penn State in 2000, they had an unknown running back named Chester Taylor. Maybe you'all have heard of him...

[GregoryJoseph]

Go Vols!




























(I fear I'll never be able to get into college football)

[ozzie]

Now that I've seen NCST, VT, GT, Clemson, FSU and Miami play... I don't see a clear front runner from that conference that looks like they could make a run at a MNC.

Still haven't seen UNC yet though.

Ok, I've seen UNC play now.

Under 5 mins left in the 3rd... down 3 - 0 to UConn.

Umm... yeah.

[Snoogans]

I must hate myself.

I just bought tickets for FIU Rutgers. They still have some left on stubhub. with all the fees its 30 bucks for row 1
DOWNSTAIRS

[ozzie]

I must hate myself.

I just bought tickets for FIU Rutgers. They still have some left on stubhub. with all the fees its 30 bucks for row 1
DOWNSTAIRS

What part of the stadium? Hopefully not behind one of the benches.

Dunno about Rutgers, but at AU, you can't see shit from the first few lower rows on each sideline.

Great for getting on TV though.

FIU plays their first game against Bama tonight. We'll find out what sort of team they have in a few hours.

At least you don't have to worry about having to listen to their band the whole game... they cancelled their marching band this year.

[Snoogans]

What part of the stadium? Hopefully not behind one of the benches.

Dunno about Rutgers, but at AU, you can't see shit from the first few lower rows on each sideline.

Great for getting on TV though.

FIU plays their first game against Bama tonight. We'll find out what sort of team they have in a few hours.

At least you don't have to worry about having to listen to their band the whole game... they cancelled their marching band this year.

in the corners. Maybe the only place that low isnt bad. You can see our whole end of the field and the huge scoreboard is the other side so you can see on the scoreboard anything that happens. If i was on the sideline id go up at least 20 rows

[Snoogans]

http://www.scarletknights.com/tickets/images/stadium_seating09.gif

Im in 110A which is the small box in front of 110 and the small part of 111.

[disneyspy]

what a great game this UM/ND is

LETS GO BLUE!

[Freakshow]

why exactly is Notre Dame ranked? Pity?

[disneyspy]

why exactly is Notre Dame ranked? Pity?

i think the better question is why isnt michigan ranked,this freshman QB is another brady,except he can run

[Freakshow]

i think the better question is why isnt michigan ranked,this freshman QB is another brady,except he can run

umm. you know, 3-8...

[SP1!]

http://www.scarletknights.com/tickets/images/stadium_seating09.gif

Im in 110A which is the small box in front of 110 and the small part of 111.

Wow, $30 for those seats? Geez, those would be nosebleed seats in sanford stadium, endzone seats are $52 a piece for SC and almost $200 for seats near the 50 yard line and that is for a game against a shitty south carolina team.

[MHasegawa]

#5 Oklahoma State just lost to Houston

[SP1!]

Wow UGA may be worse this year than we previously thought, a team from the SWC puts up 45 on them when we could only score 10?

Its gonna be a looooooooooong year for us.