2009 College Football thread

[SP1!]

wow. I appreciate that. I will sleep well and I will be hungover. I dont wanna get too excited but they played fuckin great and alot of the guys making big plays will be here next year. The future looks bright.

And Dammaso Munoz is fuckin fast, holy shit. Ive watched 4 years of him and never saw him run like tonight. Tonight was so awesome its gonna end up bad, cause now all I am is pumped for next year and i gotta wait fuckin 9 months
Yeah, he looked good but then again it was UCF who was very hot and cold this year, weird for a georg o' leary team, I always wondered what would have happened if rutgers would have been better before knowsho moreno came to UGA. They may have had a NC by now.

Like what, playing in a shitty bowl WAYYY too early. Sorry, bowl games are the biggest crock of shit going in sports today...especially the 15th tier ones like this.
Geez, what a danny downer.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, he looked good but then again it was UCF who was very hot and cold this year, weird for a georg o' leary team, I always wondered what would have happened if rutgers would have been better before knowsho moreno came to UGA. They may have had a NC by now.


yea they lost so many kids from jersey when they sucked. they got lucky on Ray Rice that syracuse fired the coach who had rice ready to go there.

But they are pullin those kids now. Sanu is from Piscataway, I think Davis is too. Savage is from not too far in PA and the RB he played with is a sr in HS this year and a 4 star. Savage has been tryin hard to get him at Rutgers.

i think the next few years could start to get really good

[ozzie]

Yeah, he looked good but then again it was UCF who was very hot and cold this year, weird for a georg o' leary team, I always wondered what would have happened if rutgers would have been better before knowsho moreno came to UGA. They may have had a NC by now.


Geez, what a danny downer.

Who are you, and what have you done with SP1!??

My bowl season just about ended after the Fresno fiasco. I wasted 32 confidence points on those fucking Green V heads.

[JimBeam]

In the one I did at work I actually picked Wyoming because 90%+ were picking Fresno St and I was trying the get an upset.

I don't think I put many points on it though.

[Snoogans]

i hate confidence points so much. The pool im in is by spreads, like men

[SP1!]

Who are you, and what have you done with SP1!??

My bowl season just about ended after the Fresno fiasco. I wasted 32 confidence points on those fucking Green V heads.

Im not really a dick, its just easier to weed out assholes that way.

I can be subjective most of the time but I still just find it hard that rutgers is going to be a power house year in and year out just because of their location, they are trying to attract young men to their school. Most coastal, southern, or pac 10 teams have a better shot at them, that and they can almost guarantee them a shot the draft.

[JimBeam]

But Rutgers does have the advantage of being in the Pennsylvania/New Jersey area where there is a lot of nationally recruited talent.

Sure them becoming good doesn't mean that they'll pull players from Florida like a Florida school would pull from NJ but they'd have a better shot against Penn St, ND, Pitt, etc ...

[Snoogans]

Im not really a dick, its just easier to weed out assholes that way.

I can be subjective most of the time but I still just find it hard that rutgers is going to be a power house year in and year out just because of their location, they are trying to attract young men to their school. Most coastal, southern, or pac 10 teams have a better shot at them, that and they can almost guarantee them a shot the draft.

Rutgers is pumping kids into the draft now. There is like 15-20 of them in the league now and most are from the past few years. And power house, I dont know, but they definately can compete year in year out and have a few years where they have a shot at the title

[Snoogans]

But Rutgers does have the advantage of being in the Pennsylvania/New Jersey area where there is a lot of nationally recruited talent.

Sure them becoming good doesn't mean that they'll pull players from Florida like a Florida school would pull from NJ but they'd have a better shot against Penn St, ND, Pitt, etc ...

and they still do pull kids from florida. 11 on the roster this season and a few committed already for next year

[ozzie]

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[Snoogans]

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if i lived next door to this person i would buy angry pit bulls and let them loose in the guys house.

[Snoogans]

I know this really is HS football news, but this is for anyone who thinks Rutgers has no shot at ever being a title contender, and that the local kids to rutgers arent good at football

Rivals.com has named its HS National Champion (http://highschool.rivals.com/viewrankhs.asp?ra_key=646)

The question needs to be asked: If New Jersey only had one team in the RivalsHigh Top 100 rankings for most of the season, how could a team from the state - Ramsey (N.J.) Don Bosco Prep - ascend to the top of the rankings and win the 2009 national championship?

The answer actually is easy.

In a season filled with upsets and parity in all of the traditional football power states, Don Bosco Prep stood out:

# It dominated its in-state competition;
# It defeated two top out-of-state competitors;
# It was overpowering from start to finish.

“This is a special experience for the kids,” Don Bosco athletic director and assistant coach Nunzio Campanile said. “We thought this was a special season but you never know how the polls will play out.”

[JimBeam]

Does anybody go to class in California ? :

Maiava, Presley ineligible for UCLA

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/news/story?id=4762116

Three ineligible for Emerald Bowl

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/news/story?id=4762116

[Snoogans]

Does anybody go to class in California ? :

Maiava, Presley ineligible for UCLA

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/news/story?id=4762116

Three ineligible for Emerald Bowl

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/news/story?id=4762116

im starting to think the big east and big ten are the only conferences where they do go to class

[JimBeam]

I'd like to say they do in the SEC but even as a non-athlete student I barely went to class so I'm sure the athletes take their liberties.

[Snoogans]

I'd like to say they do in the SEC but even as a non-athlete student I barely went to class so I'm sure the athletes take their liberties.

like the kid from tenn who wasnt on scholarship who got robbed and said he finds no reason why that should mean he cant play football. Tennessee needs him

[JimBeam]

It bothers me when it happens at any school.

I mean these kids are getting the chance to earn something that other people, many people, put themselves in to debt to obtain and they can't even hold up their end of the bargain.

They're not being made to make 3.0+ GPAs as most academic scholarship students.

All they have to do is pass their classes.

That's it.

[Snoogans]

It bothers me when it happens at any school.

I mean these kids are getting the chance to earn something that other people, many people, put themselves in to debt to obtain and they can't even hold up their end of the bargain.

They're not being made to make 3.0+ GPAs as most academic scholarship students.

All they have to do is pass their classes.

That's it.

2.0 is all they need yea. And most of the classes arent exactly what your avg student is taking either

[JimBeam]

And I know that there are times when more is put on them than on the average student, what w/ having to practice and play as well as going to class but more than enough resources are thrown their way to help them cope.

I know plenty of people who worked while putting themselves through school and that didn't include a free room and 3 damn near gourmet meals every day and they managed to graduate with better than 2.0 GPAs.

And it's not just a socio-ecomic thing because I either went to school with or currently work w/ people from all backgrounds that accomplished this.

[hammersavage]

Is there a bigger cunt in the world than Nick Saban? Don't ask my players about the national championship game......during the weeks leading up to the team actually playing in the national championship game. What a douche

[ozzie]

Is there a bigger cunt in the world than Nick Saban? Don't ask my players about the national championship game......during the weeks leading up to the team actually playing in the national championship game. What a douche

He hides his doucheness better when he's being interviewed by a real television network or major publication... He's at his best when you can catch him browbeating the Bama beat reporters or the guys from the local rags or local sportscasters.

He's Nick fucking Saban, and you're not!

[Snoogans]

i cant wait to see this kid, but he is just a jr....in HS

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[ozzie]

i cant wait to see this kid, but he is just a jr....in HS

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No youtube access at work... but I'm bored.

You got a name on the kid so I can look him up on Rivals?

[Snoogans]

No youtube access at work... but I'm bored.

You got a name on the kid so I can look him up on Rivals?

James Wilder Jr.

[razorboy]

i cant wait to see this kid, but he is just a jr....in HS

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He's a stud. Son of the great Buccaneer James Wilder Sr., and just helped my Alma Mater win another state championship. It's up in the air as to if he plays RB, DE or LB in college. I will say, from watching him every week, he needs to work on his conditioning.

[Snoogans]

He's a stud. Son of the great Buccaneer James Wilder Sr., and just helped my Alma Mater win another state championship. It's up in the air as to if he plays RB, DE or LB in college. I will say, from watching him every week, he needs to work on his conditioning.

yea i thought that too when he collapsed in the endzone from running 50 yards

[SP1!]

if i lived next door to this person i would buy angry pit bulls and let them loose in the guys house.
All you need is one damn good bulldawg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/stang9946/1996_Uga_lunging_for_Auburn_player.jpg

I know this really is HS football news, but this is for anyone who thinks Rutgers has no shot at ever being a title contender, and that the local kids to rutgers arent good at football
Well I never said there arent good players from NJ, hell knowshown was from up there, but most leave the state to play ball, not trying to be douchey but who wouldnt? You have a chance to play in another state with hotter women and better beaches, also rutgers have a long way to go to catch up to others facilities.

Is there a bigger cunt in the world than Nick Saban? Don't ask my players about the national championship game......during the weeks leading up to the team actually playing in the national championship game. What a douche
Maybe hes pissed hes losing coaches left and right, rumor is UGA is supposed to announce their DC position after the bowl games, speculation is that its either kirby smart(bama) or dick bumpas(tcu)

[Snoogans]

Well I never said there arent good players from NJ, hell knowshown was from up there, but most leave the state to play ball, not trying to be douchey but who wouldnt? You have a chance to play in another state with hotter women and better beaches, also rutgers have a long way to go to catch up to others facilities.


To address a few things, i would never call this douchey. its absolutely right. And its what makes it so much more amazing that schiano not only is keeping some of these kids now, but that he actually gets kids from florida to come to rutgers. THATS the most insane shit.

As to your comment on facilities, they still have a way to go, but they are not as far behind as you think. Again there is alot of money in this program from the school and boosters. 2 guys just gave them 5 mill to cover a new recruiting lounge in the new closed endzone. The stadium is up to 55000 seats now and they could still eventually close the upstairs bowl and go to 75-80K and dont think they wont consider it, esp if they move to big ten.

The new weight rooms and facilities at Hale Center are pretty nice too. its on its way.

I wont be a dillusional homer and say oh its just as good as those other places. Im not blind. If i was a big time HS football player, although rutgers wasnt that good back then, I woulda gone to Miami or So Cal or some shit too. But they are getting there and have all the resources and money to keep gettin there. And alot of young talent to insure they will be pretty damn good the next couple years

[SP1!]

Yeah rutgers is making strides, how long until that facility is done, or have they even approved that yet? Is that a part of schiano's contract, that they have to get it finished by a certain date?

And is the Pac 10 gonna win a bowl game this year? 0-2 so far, serves them right after bragging about being undefeated last year when all they played were fairly bad teams.

[Snoogans]

Yeah rutgers is making strides, how long until that facility is done, or have they even approved that yet? Is that a part of schiano's contract, that they have to get it finished by a certain date?

And is the Pac 10 gonna win a bowl game this year? 0-2 so far, serves them right after bragging about being undefeated last year when all they played were fairly bad teams.

the recruiting lounge you mean? It will be ready for next year. its inside the new stadium section that opened for this year.

I hope they dont. With all the shit, i dont think USC is gonna win.

The only pac 10 team i actually can root for without betting on is Stanford. They dont seem as douchey

Oregon would be if they didnt have 376000 uniforms. PICK A FUCKIN SHIRT, ASSHOLES


edit: If you meant hale center facilities, they already have those. They have for awhile, but whats inside it keeps getting better is what I meant

[SP1!]

Well I mean their training/recovery facilities, I remember hearing that schiano wanted them upgraded to a top notch program if he was going to stay, but that was back when miami was thinking of hiring him. 2 years ago?

[Snoogans]

Well I mean their training/recovery facilities, I remember hearing that schiano wanted them upgraded to a top notch program if he was going to stay, but that was back when miami was thinking of hiring him. 2 years ago?

yea most of that is done/being done now. They are pumpin the place up pretty good. Most of what his demand was the stadium expansion.

[SP1!]

yea most of that is done/being done now. They are pumpin the place up pretty good. Most of what his demand was the stadium expansion.

Oh I thought it was training, stadiums in the SEC are always huge, and richt went after an indoor practice facility in his contract negotiations, I dont think they have even started it yet though.

[Snoogans]

Oh I thought it was training, stadiums in the SEC are always huge, and richt went after an indoor practice facility in his contract negotiations, I dont think they have even started it yet though.

they have indoor practice facilities already, and a few outdoor fields for practice. It has alot more shit then most would think

[JimBeam]

Forbes magazine says the University of Texas is the most valuable team in college sports

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4769003

I guess this doesn't include whatever fund ND has that allows them to pay out $15+ million buyouts.

[Snoogans]

Forbes magazine says the University of Texas is the most valuable team in college sports

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4769003

I guess this doesn't include whatever fund ND has that allows them to pay out $15+ million buyouts.

it was a list with some weird formula based mostly on profits from the football program above costs of everything else

Meaning from what the article said, texas football made 59 million over what football costs
But yea football is terrible for schools to have and all that money they spend on it takes away from education


REALLY. AFTER ALL THAT MONEY, THEY STILL MADE 59 MILL. WILL ALL THOSE ASSHOLES PLEASE SHUT UP NOW

[Snoogans]

The magazine based its rankings on "dividend money," or what's left for academics (including football scholarships) and non-revenue sports after the cost of running the football program. Bowl game revenue also is factored in.

According to Forbes, Texas had a $59 million profit. Notre Dame's team value was $108 million, with a $38 million profit.

Rounding out the first 10 in Forbes' Top 20 list are Penn State, Nebraska, Alabama, Florida, LSU, Ohio State, Georgia and Oklahoma.


yea what a terrible idea for rutgers to spend money on football to get it big. That will ruin the academic institution. SHUT UP


also i find it hilarious that ND, a college, has a football team that alone is worth only about 25% les than the Pheonix Coyotes

[ozzie]

Meyer to coach final game at Sugar Bowl (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4772952)

"I have given my heart and soul to coaching college football and mentoring young men for the last 24-plus years and I have dedicated most of my waking moments the last five years to the Gator football program," Meyer said in statement. "I have ignored my health for years, but recent developments have forced me to re-evaluate my priorities of faith and family.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Meyer to coach final game at Sugar Bowl (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4772952)

Terminal cancer or heart disease?

something tells me if this was something he could come back from, he'd take a leave of absence, not quit outright.

Or this could be a move to go somewhere else, but all the big jobs are taken. Except for Penn State down the road.

[KnoxHarrington]

This is a total shock. I know the rumor mill was that he might take the Notre Dame job (though I think that was more wishful thinking by Notre Dame alumni than any real possibilty), but he didn't seem to have the slightest bit of interest in that.

I suspect this isn't for another job either.

[epo]

Doesn't this seem like perfect timing for Urban to take some time off and to make himself the "big free agent" of coaching (college or pro) whenever he wants to pop his head up again?

[Snoogans]

non life threatening heart muscle defect is what they are callin it

[danlaroe]

life putting the gator chomp on his pancreas? heart disease? he doesnt seem like he is in bad shape. not like that fat fuck mangini

[Snoogans]

im callin it right now

A couple months will go by, florida will get a new coach, things will happen. sometimes in march/early april, before the draft, Meyer will announce his health has improved, things are under control and he is ready to coach again.

Florida will already have a new coach, so instead, he is going to coach for the Jacksonville Jags, the only team that will let Tebow play QB. Maybe not head coach, maybe OC and they keep del rio for one more year but i dont know why i just feel it.

If its non life threatening, why is he leaving? If coaching stresses make it dangerous, then its still life threatening. Something seems weird, and he cant just leave after saying he will stay til they dont want him.

He is gonna play it like it was serious, then go to the Jags. They will draft Tebow, and the 2 will continue to butt fuck each other

[SP1!]

I could see that snoogs but why? I cant remember the last college coach that had success in the pros and teebow is not a pro QB, period.

Florida fans will hate both of them forever if they leave together, they were prepared to lose teebow and could always say "at least we have meyer" now they lost both.

As an UGA fan, Im fucking laughing my ass off

[Snoogans]

I could see that snoogs but why? I cant remember the last college coach that had success in the pros and teebow is not a pro QB, period.

Florida fans will hate both of them forever if they leave together, they were prepared to lose teebow and could always say "at least we have meyer" now they lost both.

As an UGA fan, Im fucking laughing my ass off

I wouldnt totally get it either, but i just feel that. Something just makes me think he fell in love with Jesus boy somehow and wants to go coach him. And Jacksonville will let him play QB cause it would sell alot of tickets, more so with Meyer there too. And no one cares about the Jags anyway so I couldnt even blame them

But also, i think Urban wouldnt wanna look like a snake like all these other coaches, so he came up with this to look good still.

Why else would he leave if his condition wasnt threatening to him?

[KnoxHarrington]

non life threatening heart muscle defect is what they are callin it

Yeah, I heard Herbstreit on the radio just now saying that the condition in itself isn't life-threatening, but he can't just handle the pressure of the UF job with it.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, I heard Herbstreit on the radio just now saying that the condition in itself isn't life-threatening, but he can't just handle the pressure of the UF job with it.

then it is life threatening. Something sounds like bullshit. If stress can make it dangerous, then its still dangerous.

[SP1!]

Now florida is really fucked, I forgot their DC was leaving, now they have to get a whole new coaching staff, is there even anybody left? Who would want that job since theres not much left?

[ozzie]

Now florida is really fucked, I forgot their DC was leaving, now they have to get a whole new coaching staff, is there even anybody left? Who would want that job since theres not much left?

Dan Mullen?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Now florida is really fucked, I forgot their DC was leaving, now they have to get a whole new coaching staff, is there even anybody left? Who would want that job since theres not much left?

Snoogs, you think UF would sniff at Schiano at all?

[SP1!]

I dont think they could get schiano but who knows? It just hits them at a really bad time, recruits can leave if they havent signed early, national signing day is in 3 months?

[Snoogans]

Snoogs, you think UF would sniff at Schiano at all?

i would say zero chance. if he didnt leave for Miami, I dont think he considers leaving for Florida. Miami woulda been his place. I really am starting to think he wants to stay at Rutgers and basically become a legend there. Otherwise he woulda left 5 times already. Plus I dont think Florida would ask him cause I dont think Rutgers had a good enough year this year

edit: Maybe I shouldnt say zero chance. This is college football, and crazy shit does happen. But I just dont see it

[Tenbatsuzen]

i would say zero chance. if he didnt leave for Miami, I dont think he considers leaving for Florida. Miami woulda been his place. I really am starting to think he wants to stay at Rutgers and basically become a legend there. Otherwise he woulda left 5 times already. Plus I dont think Florida would ask him cause I dont think Rutgers had a good enough year this year

edit: Maybe I shouldnt say zero chance. This is college football, and crazy shit does happen. But I just dont see it

I kinda of agree. And I think he sees gold in Savage and Sanu... he's got them for another three years.

It just amazes me how fuckos on NJ.com smash Schiano constantly because they aren't winning the big east and shit and think he should be fired.

[Snoogans]

I kinda of agree. And I think he sees gold in Savage and Sanu... he's got them for another three years.

It just amazes me how fuckos on NJ.com smash Schiano constantly because they aren't winning the big east and shit and think he should be fired.

it happened so fuckin fast. The team didnt win a bowl game until he fuckin got here and had only been to one. I know the sched was weak but, 9-4 and another bowl and win and more talent coming in from other places you NEVER thought. But lets write how the guy is a failure.


DID THEY WATCH TERRY SHEA?

[Ritalin]

That's crazy about Meyer. But, I think it's something we're going to see more and more of. Not just the health thing, which I think will preclude him from taking an NFL job anyway. I mean guys that make a run at a school, then leave before the players stop listening.

[Tenbatsuzen]

it happened so fuckin fast. The team didnt win a bowl game until he fuckin got here and had only been to one. I know the sched was weak but, 9-4 and another bowl and win and more talent coming in from other places you NEVER thought. But lets write how the guy is a failure.


DID THEY WATCH TERRY SHEA?

1) it's NJ.com, some of the tripe that's posted there makes RF.net look like classic literature

2) A lot of anti-schiano voices are connected to the RU1000... kind of like one voice making it look like hundreds of people

3) I think Pernetti coming in as AD was basically the RU administration telling the RU 1000 to go fuck themselves.

[Ritalin]

I don't pay close enough attention. Could there have been quiet little side conversations asking if Schiano would be interested in the Notre Dame job? Because if there were and he's not going, then he's not going anywhere.

And he shouldn't. He can make that program strong with a couple of more years.

[Snoogans]

1) it's NJ.com, some of the tripe that's posted there makes RF.net look like classic literature

2) A lot of anti-schiano voices are connected to the RU1000... kind of like one voice making it look like hundreds of people

3) I think Pernetti coming in as AD was basically the RU administration telling the RU 1000 to go fuck themselves.

is that the group of dickheads who yell about how spending money on football takes away from education, not realizing the profit that football makes goes to education?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't pay close enough attention. Could there have been quiet little side conversations asking if Schiano would be interested in the Notre Dame job? Because if there were and he's not going, then he's not going anywhere.

And he shouldn't. He can make that program strong with a couple of more years.

The Notre Dame job is damaged goods at this point. The entire program needs a restart.

A lot - and I mean a LOT - of people didn't like Weis because he was a complete asshole behind the scenes. There was one ND alum who just fucking RIPPED him on Francesa's show last year.

Taking the ND job is good for your bank account, but not good for your career.

http://billstewartmustgo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Weis_haters_gonna_hate.gif

Schiano knows he's basically playing with house money at Rutgers. I think Snoogs is right... he wants to become the Joe Pa of Rutgers.

[Tenbatsuzen]

is that the group of dickheads who yell about how spending money on football takes away from education, not realizing the profit that football makes goes to education?

Yes. The Rutgers 1000 is basically a real-life version of the bad guys in PCU or something.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Rutgers 1000 = Bizarro World Revenge of the Nerds

[Snoogans]

Yes. The Rutgers 1000 is basically a real-life version of the bad guys in PCU or something.

nice. that 5 mill donation for the recruiting lounge can buy alot of raw meat

[Tenbatsuzen]

nice. that 5 mill donation for the recruiting lounge can buy alot of raw meat

George Clinton plays half-time?

[Snoogans]

George Clinton plays half-time?

MARVELOUSSSS

[SP1!]

is that the group of dickheads who yell about how spending money on football takes away from education, not realizing the profit that football makes goes to education?

All these people have to do is look at some of the schools with huge athletic programs, most of those have excellent research facilities as well. Even Miami has one of the best marine biology and law programs around, UGA athletics built their business schools, law programs and give hundreds of scholarships to students whos programs dont make a dime.

[Snoogans]

All these people have to do is look at some of the schools with huge athletic programs, most of those have excellent research facilities as well. Even Miami has one of the best marine biology and law programs around, UGA athletics built their business schools, law programs and give hundreds of scholarships to students whos programs dont make a dime.

anyone with a brain would never argue. Thats probably why nobody listens to these dickheads

[SP1!]

Rutgers 1000 = Bizarro World Revenge of the Nerds

Wow I had never heard of them before now, their website (http://www.ru1000.org/)looks like a 8th grader designed it for them.

[Snoogans]

Wow I had never heard of them before now, their website (http://www.ru1000.org/)looks like a 8th grader designed it for them.

they should, for 1 year, not give academics a single dollar of football money. Maybe then these jerkoffs will realize what it does for the school

[ScottFromGA]

few weeks ago on a Friday before the SEC Championship game, I was at eating at a Cracker Barrel with my family when a bus pulled in with Florida Gator fans heading to Atlanta for the game.....I thought so hard about standing up and announcing to the crowd that "They had better enjoy this last game, cause it will be the last one you'll see the Gators at number 1."


man, did I know I was right. Later, Urban.



(seriously, it is good to see the guy take care of himself.....no need in killing yourself over a game.)

[SP1!]

Stoops seems to be the guy they are going after, another unnamed coach and then Dan Mullen is the fall back guy since hes already inquired about the job and they know he will leave in a heartbeat to come back to florida. As an UGA fan I really dont want Mullen back, they were better with him there, but then they are going to lose a little bit since charlie strong left florida.

Edit: It seems Petrino was the unnamed coach on that list, god I hope florida hires him, hes fucking horrible.

[Snoogans]

espn mobile text alert that Urban Meyer will not step down, just take a leave of absence and then stay with the team

Guess those Jags negotiations fell thru

[Snoogans]

im tellin you. He was negotioating with Jax, it fell through. he said fuck this im stayin at florida. Now he has to take a short leave of absence to make it all look real

[SP1!]

Well I dont think he was going anywhere but I do think his wife wants him to cut back since he gets emotionally involved, then he announced this and a lot of his commits opened up their minds again to see where they wanted to go if he wasnt there. I bet after national signing day he moves up to another position.

Geez what would happen if he was to drop on the sidelines? Could teebow resurrect him?

[Snoogans]

Well I dont think he was going anywhere but I do think his wife wants him to cut back since he gets emotionally involved, then he announced this and a lot of his commits opened up their minds again to see where they wanted to go if he wasnt there. I bet after national signing day he moves up to another position.

Geez what would happen if he was to drop on the sidelines? Could teebow resurrect him?

Tebow will be back at florida as a coach after 1 year. What a fuckin bum he is gonna be in the NFL

I keep hearing he can play TE. Can he? He never looked NFL tight end big or fast. Id be shocked if he could play tight end better than QB and he sucks at QB by NFL standards

[SP1!]

Tebow will be back at florida as a coach after 1 year. What a fuckin bum he is gonna be in the NFL

I keep hearing he can play TE. Can he? He never looked NFL tight end big or fast. Id be shocked if he could play tight end better than QB and he sucks at QB by NFL standards

Well hes like 6' 4", 230 so he may make a good TE, the problem is that he wants to play QB only and if he insists on that then he wont get drafted until the 5th round, if at all.

And to be honest, hes probably faster than jeremy shockey at TE and he was highly regarded coming out of college

[Snoogans]

Well hes like 6' 4", 230 so he may make a good TE, the problem is that he wants to play QB only and if he insists on that then he wont get drafted until the 5th round, if at all.

think about this for a minute though. How many tight ends are 6'4 230 in the NFL nowadays and cant run a 4.6 40? For Tebow to be effective at his speed, he needs to be like fuckin 255 260. he would get MAULED by linebackers coming off the line that slow at 230. no fuckin chance. Unless they let him train with the Jones brothers and David Boston

[SP1!]

Again, Im not saying the guys not a freak, I just hate him because hes on our biggest rival but still hes huge for a QB and it wont take much to add on 10-15lbs, the problem is that hes insisting hes QB and hes not. Not for college, not for the NFL, he cant accept that hes a fullback that was allowed to play at QB.

He should evaluate where all the prognosticators have him going, as a QB hes barely ranked, if he would move to TE or WR he would be first round.

[Snoogans]

Again, Im not saying the guys not a freak, I just hate him because hes on our biggest rival but still hes huge for a QB and it wont take much to add on 10-15lbs, the problem is that hes insisting hes QB and hes not. Not for college, not for the NFL, he cant accept that hes a fullback that was allowed to play at QB.

He should evaluate where all the prognosticators have him going, as a QB hes barely ranked, if he would move to TE or WR he would be first round.

again i was talkin about him as a TE. 230 is not that big for a tight end. And ok he adds 10-15 pounds and goes to 245, i just think he is still WAY too slow. he would never get open

[SP1!]

again i was talkin about him as a TE. 230 is not that big for a tight end. And ok he adds 10-15 pounds and goes to 245, i just think he is still WAY too slow. he would never get open

Well hes pretty fast and I think he would make a fine TE, just a shitty QB

[Snoogans]

Well hes pretty fast and I think he would make a fine TE, just a shitty QB

ive watched him play. he never looked that fast. He is quicker than you would think at his size, ill agree with that. Maybe he could do it. But the times ive seen him, he never looks that fast. Kevin Boss looks faster during games than tebow does, and thats surrounded by NFL speed, not college. So i just feel like he isnt that fast. I guess we will see at the combine. I dont know what he runs a 40 in. Im just goin by what I see.

Though I was completely floored by how slow fitz ran the 40, so that shit sometimes doesnt matter. Football speed in pads is different than sprint running speed

[SP1!]

I think it goes back to your toughness, if you can take a pass across the middle and take the hit it means a lot more, I think he would be good at that.

The problem is that he thinks of himself as just a QB and he just doesnt have the talent level for that.

[Snoogans]

I think it goes back to your toughness, if you can take a pass across the middle and take the hit it means a lot more, I think he would be good at that.

The problem is that he thinks of himself as just a QB and he just doesnt have the talent level for that.

yea and big hits rattle him too from what i see

[epo]

Well hes pretty fast and I think he would make a fine TE, just a shitty QB

In the best case scenario, I can't see him being anything more than a backup TE in the pros.

He probably has decent hands and size, but he has zero experience at route running or blocking at the college, much less the pro level.

Whoever takes him in the draft is wasting their pick.

[SP1!]

yea and big hits rattle him too from what i see

Well the only hit that rattled him from what I have seen was the hit off his team mates knee, he has taken quite a few crushing hits in the open field that seemed to be killers but he jumped back up.

I have so many times wished him to stay down after hard hits.

God who am I? Im actually defending this guy and I hate him.........I need to wash up now.

[Snoogans]

Well the only hit that rattled him from what I have seen was the hit off his team mates knee, he has taken quite a few crushing hits in the open field that seemed to be killers but he jumped back up.

I have so many times wished him to stay down after hard hits.

God who am I? Im actually defending this guy and I hate him.........I need to wash up now.

im gald you are. i dont get to see much Florida cause the games usually arent very important to Rutgers or my interests and I dont bet on 45 point spreads so

[ScottFromGA]

im gald you are. i dont get to see much Florida cause the games usually arent very important to Rutgers or my interests and I dont bet on 45 point spreads so

it kind of a trait with UGA fan, such as myself. We are obsessed with beating Florida every year and usually talk more about what Florida does than UGA.

[ozzie]

I'll be curious to see which two NFL staffs come down here to coach the Senior bowl. (It's usually the two highest finishing teams that don't make the playoffs... Giants look like the NFC rep... AFC is a mess, but Jax still has a chance)

I expect Tebow to be here, and to use that week taking a lot of snaps under center, and to evaluate his footwork on NFL drops, and see whether he can make the throws. Usually, even if the staff coaching the game isn't necessarily interested in a particular player, there are reps from every NFL team there, and they'll do what they can to showcase each player that the other teams are interested in.

I keep seeing quotes from him saying that if he's not wanted as a QB, then he'd like a chance to try out at another position.

The last guy that successfully did that as a former QB was Matt Jones... but, see, the difference with him was that immediately after his last college game, Jones started working out at WR, and was coached and played WR in the Senior Bowl, and his combine skills were measured at that position.

I don't see Tebow giving up that quickly. I expect to see him waste a lot of coaches time continuing to work him at QB all the way through the draft. Teams are going to have to make their decision based on his QB skills. I find it hard to believe that anyone would waste a pick on the hope that he could learn another position unless he committed to that now.

Not saying he couldn't sign as a free agent and make it to an NFL camp and try out at TE or whatever then, but I think he'll either be drafted as a QB, or not at all.

[Snoogans]

more importantly, is Georgia gonna cover the 7 points on A&M?

[SP1!]

Geez they are making A&M look like shit, I'm shocked

[Snoogans]

Geez they are making A&M look like shit, I'm shocked

im glad i bet georgia

[SP1!]

im glad i bet georgia

Well they just proved no defensive coordinator is better than willie martinez, thank god hes fucking gone and to think he was being pissy about getting fired and turned down the chance to coach in the bowl game. Glad he didnt, if he did we would have given up 50.

[Ritalin]

Mike Leach - FIRED!

(interesting. They would have owed him 700,000 tomorrow)

(I'm starting to think that James kid is a pussy, and Leach is getting railroaded on this one.)

[ozzie]

Not surprised... especially after Kansas set the precedent with dismissing Mangino.

Of all the kids to "make an example of"... why choose the son of an ESPN analyst?

[Freitag]

Mike Leach - FIRED!

(interesting. They would have owed him 700,000 tomorrow)

(I'm starting to think that James kid is a pussy, and Leach is getting railroaded on this one.)

I'm thinking a little from column A, a little from column B.

I mean... he kept the kid in a dark room with a guard outside the door and wouldn't let him sit. That's tantamount to hazing.

[Freitag]

I keep seeing quotes from him saying that if he's not wanted as a QB, then he'd like a chance to try out at another position.

The last guy that successfully did that as a former QB was Matt Jones... but, see, the difference with him was that immediately after his last college game, Jones started working out at WR, and was coached and played WR in the Senior Bowl, and his combine skills were measured at that position.



Wasn't Eric Crouch all but begged to change positions, as he could be a prototype NFL TE, but wouldn't listen to reason and wanted to stay at QB, and now he's like in like Z-Level pro ball?

[epo]

Wasn't Eric Crouch all but begged to change positions, as he could be a prototype NFL TE, but wouldn't listen to reason and wanted to stay at QB, and now he's like in like Z-Level pro ball?

Yea...he was drafted as a WR but he only really wanted to play QB...and of course failed. Later I remember him getting recycled as a safety.

[ozzie]

I'm thinking a little from column A, a little from column B.

I mean... he kept the kid in a dark room with a guard outside the door and wouldn't let him sit. That's tantamount to hazing.

...or lean up against a wall, or anything else. Twice. I don't know how long these practices were, but standing in place for hours? I don't know if anyone's ever done it, but it's not easy or comfortable at all.

But, I guess that was the point. I've had sadistic gym teachers back in the day who treated the kids with the "doctor's excuse" in similar sadistic or humiliating ways.

Bear Bryant might have gotten away with something like this, but not anymore... and Leach should have known better.

[ozzie]

Yea...he was drafted as a WR but he only really wanted to play QB...and of course failed. Later I remember him getting recycled as a safety.

Yep... played safety in the NFL Europe league. I think he had a chance to play QB in Canada after that.

I don't remember what he did between his last bowl game and the draft. I know he didn't come down here for the Senior bowl. I'm thinking he played in the Hula bowl, but I'm not sure if it was as a WR or QB.

[sailor]

Wasn't Eric Crouch all but begged to change positions, as he could be a prototype NFL TE, but wouldn't listen to reason and wanted to stay at QB, and now he's like in like Z-Level pro ball?

no, he was going to try WR but got hurt and cut before playng a game. He's had a bunch of injuries since then, at a few positions.

[Snoogans]

no, he was going to try WR but got hurt and cut before playng a game. He's had a bunch of injuries since then, at a few positions.

actually the rams drafted Crouch as a safety

[Freitag]

...or lean up against a wall, or anything else. Twice. I don't know how long these practices were, but standing in place for hours? I don't know if anyone's ever done it, but it's not easy or comfortable at all.

But, I guess that was the point. I've had sadistic gym teachers back in the day who treated the kids with the "doctor's excuse" in similar sadistic or humiliating ways.

Bear Bryant might have gotten away with something like this, but not anymore... and Leach should have known better.

Concussions are nothing to mess with. You tear up your ACL or break your arm, you can come back from that and still lead a productive life even if you don't go to the NFL.

Not so much with a concussion, if you keep getting messed up.

[sailor]

actually the rams drafted Crouch as a safety

that's what I always thought but I've seen it a few places they drafted him to be a receiver, including a few 2002 draft recaps.

[Ritalin]

Concussions are nothing to mess with. You tear up your ACL or break your arm, you can come back from that and still lead a productive life even if you don't go to the NFL.

Not so much with a concussion, if you keep getting messed up.

you should read Stewart Mandel over at si.com. I don't think this had anything to do with James. You watch. Tech will end up settling out of court for
millions of dollars with Leach. They wanted him out. He didn't do anything that is going to stand up in court as abusive, and unless they settle, this will end up in court.

[ozzie]

you should read Stewart Mandel over at si.com. I don't think this had anything to do with James. You watch. Tech will end up settling out of court for
millions of dollars with Leach. They wanted him out. He didn't do anything that is going to stand up in court as abusive, and unless they settle, this will end up in court.

Texas is a "right to work" state, under the Taft-Hartley act... which basically means a "right to fire" state, as far as the employer is concerned. (I know because I manage a company in another "right to work" state).

They don't have to provide a reason to terminate employment.

That part is indisputable.

However, as far as his contract... it stated that he's entitled to $400k a year for every year remaining on his contract if Texas Tech released him before the contract ended.

That's the part Tech is trying to get out of paying.

Evidently he was only entitled to the "buy out" if he was terminated "without cause" (a losing record, or similar reason, would not be "cause", unless stated in the contract, which Leach would never have agreed upon)... and Tech is saying they had "cause" to fire him because of these incidents.

Perhaps... but if they're smart, they'll agree to pay the $400k per year, and end this now before it gets uglier... and it would likely cost them a helluva lot more than the total buy-out in legal fees and lost revenue to try to fight it.

[OGC]

I just switched on the Humanitarian Bowl and I have to ask why the fuck would a place have this god-awful blue artificial turf ?

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/19731050.jpg

It is an abomination. It looks even worse on tv.

[cougarjake13]

actually the rams drafted Crouch as a safety



Crouch was initially drafted by the St. Louis Rams of the NFL as a wide receiver, but still wanted to play quarterback. However, Crouch was seen by the NFL as being too short to play quarterback. His athleticism was seen as better suited for playing wideout, but a hard tackle by a defensive player caused him to have 150 cc of blood drained from his leg. Due to the injury, Crouch left the Rams before playing a game.

Crouch signed with the Kansas City Chiefs in January 2005 and was allocated to the Hamburg Sea Devils of NFL Europe. Crouch converted to the safety position, recording 25 tackles and 2 passes defended.

[KnoxHarrington]

A lot of the stuff I've seen about the Leach situation in Texas Tech is that he and the administration have been on poor terms for a long time now, so this thing with Craig James' kid might be the excuse they've wanted to get rid of him.

They'll probably spend more on lawyers than the $800K they've saved having to pay him, but maybe they don't mind that.

[Freakshow]

Scott Frost was drafted as a Safety, maybe that is what is confusing people. He was pretty good, too. Didn't he play for the Jets?

[weekapaugjz]

this bowling green/idaho game is nuts.

[disneyspy]

i'd be pissed if my college team accepted a bowl game in idaho

[weekapaugjz]

i'd be pissed if my college team accepted a bowl game in idaho

rather than no bowl at all?

[Freakshow]

Plenty of QBs after Matt Jones have been drafted and turned into other positions.

Did I see "I won't play any position but QB" Brad Smith make a special teams tackle this weekend? Josh Cribbs was a QB taken in the same draft as Jones, and has been arguably more successful...

Michael Robinson was drafted out of Penn State as a running back by the 49ers. I think he's the special teams captain. He even played a bit of fullback last year.

[OGC]

this bowling green/idaho game is nuts.

and had a fitting end. Talk about a coach having balls.

[Freakshow]

rather than no bowl at all?

he's a michigan fan. He's becoming very familiar with no bowl game. Very familiar...

[disneyspy]

i hate you guys

[ozzie]

Plenty of QBs after Matt Jones have been drafted and turned into other positions.

Did I see "I won't play any position but QB" Brad Smith make a special teams tackle this weekend? Josh Cribbs was a QB taken in the same draft as Jones, and has been arguably more successful...

Michael Robinson was drafted out of Penn State as a running back by the 49ers. I think he's the special teams captain. He even played a bit of fullback last year.

Yes, but Brad Smith was initially drafted based on his QB ability, and made the team under Mangini on the QB depth chart. He was still holding a QB roster spot when he started going the "Kordell Stewart" route to get on the field. He didn't "make the team" by learning another position.

Robinson was already a "slash" player at Penn State (I remember that he played slot/WR against Auburn in their bowl game). I'm pretty sure he was drafted to play RB for the 49ers from day one (a position he'd already played many times in college), not drafted as a QB.

Cribbs wasn't drafted as a QB... and, in fact, wasn't drafted at all. He came into camp as a free agent, and had to earn a special teams position to make the team.

From what I've read of Tebow, he's not giving up playing QB in the NFL, and hoping that he'll get drafted as a QB, and at least have the chance to practice and get some pre-season reps under center before they make a decision. I'm guessing that most likely someone will take him in a later round.

Those roster cut decisions come quickly in the NFL, and I don't see a team trying to suddenly convert him to a TE or another position and keep him on the roster unless he's already practicing that position, or playing special teams... and how often do you see even the 4th string QB out there covering kickoffs, even in pre-season?

My point with the Jones comparison, is that if Tebow really wants to play in the NFL, no matter what position... then he really needs to talk to interested teams, and find out what his realistic chances are. If they're slim, then it might do better to try to get into a Senior bowl or Hula bowl game and start practicing now as a TE or whatever he thinks he can play at the next level.

[SP1!]

Teebow has no shot at QB in the NFL.

Leach is going to sue TT for millions and probably win, they were looking for a reason to fire him since their endowment dried up with the economy bust, I hope baylor offers him a job just so he can kick their ass every year.

Adam Jones is a pussy and should have just been released from his scholarship but since his daddy defends him he gets to whine to him and get to stay on the team, fuck him.

[Snoogans]

if keenum is playin to leave school early, he is costing himself millions right now



though that was a decent punt

[ozzie]

if keenum is playin to leave school early, he is costing himself millions right now



though that was a decent punt

Shit. Stuck at work. Just getting the espn play by play updates...

...did he just throw his THIRD pick on their next possession?!?!?

What the hell is going on?

[Snoogans]

Shit. Stuck at work. Just getting the espn play by play updates...

...did he just throw his THIRD pick on their next possession?!?!?

What the hell is going on?

2 of the picks were within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage too

[SP1!]

My one job today and it started at 1230, the other guy had his late job canceled, he just called me from the bar, laughed at me, and hung up.

Bastard.

[Snoogans]

My one job today and it started at 1230, the other guy had his late job canceled, he just called me from the bar, laughed at me, and hung up.

Bastard.

that guy rules

[ozzie]

Are the Houston and Air Force defenses even on the field?

WTF is going on?

I'm fixin to send everyone home so I can get to a fucking TV already.

[Snoogans]

Are the Houston and Air Force defenses even on the field?

WTF is going on?

I'm fixin to send everyone home so I can get to a fucking TV already.

the o/u is 63 so they still aint there

[SP1!]

that guy rules

The real funny part is I had choice of jobs and was busting his balls yesterday, oh well Im done now and get to see how drunk hes gotten. I already told him Im not driving him home drunkie

[Snoogans]

The real funny part is I had choice of jobs and was busting his balls yesterday, oh well Im done now and get to see how drunk hes gotten. I already told him Im not driving him home drunkie

you should go to the bar and watch the games. 7-0 oklahoma

[Tenbatsuzen]

Plenty of QBs after Matt Jones have been drafted and turned into other positions.

Did I see "I won't play any position but QB" Brad Smith make a special teams tackle this weekend?

*facepalm*

By tackle, do you mean 100 yard KO return that put the Jets right back in the game?

And for what it's worth, Smith is their QB in Wildcat and will probably be their #2 next year if Clemens gets cut, which he probably will be.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Teebow has no shot at QB in the NFL.

Leach is going to sue TT for millions and probably win, they were looking for a reason to fire him since their endowment dried up with the economy bust, I hope baylor offers him a job just so he can kick their ass every year.

Adam Jones is a pussy and should have just been released from his scholarship but since his daddy defends him he gets to whine to him and get to stay on the team, fuck him.

If the kid is injured, you send him home or do something that is "football productive". What Leach did was haze the kid. People go to jail for that shit. And that's what we KNOW. What else did he do?

Leach was given MANY opportunities to do "the right thing" when it came to the Jones issue, and he was basically an asshole every time it came up.

[JimBeam]

I don't see why Leach is getting so much support in this matter.

The argument that he should be allowed to coach until the investigation is complete doesn't make sense because players are suspended immediately and don't get to play until they are cleared.

Why should it be different for coaches ?

As best I can tell from the articles and interviews I've read/heard the kid had a concussion and instead of being sent to get tests done he was put in a shed.

A shed that looks like one that's in a person's yard holding lawn equipment and not a high tech medical equipment or even a gurney.

Why is he gonna win millions ? Based on what ?

At best his contract settlement would be worked out and he'd get a portion of what he was expecting.

He's probably not even gonna get that because it seems like the school is ready to fight it and all they have to show is that he put the medical safety of ones of his players in question and it's a done issue.

The guy thought he was untouchable and was shown that he wasn't.

Colim Cowherd finally pointed out on his show today what I thought right away when people said that this was only happening because James' dad is famous.

The fact is Mangino was fired and the kid in that scenario didn't have a famous dad.

Maybe Craig James' influence was stonger than the average parent but the fact is Leach was wrong, based on all the details revealed so far, and he lost a fight he thought he could win.

I'm sure we'll hear stories that James was a trouble maker but I think we'll also hear more stories about how Leach was running wild.

There has to be more there and that's why the university moved so quickly.

Sure getting out of that contract will be opportunistic for them but I doubt it's the sole reason that they acted as they did.

By the way I caught a bit of this clown Dino Costa filling in for Chriss Russo the other day and he kept trying to draw a parallell between Craig James @ SMU and them getting the death penalty.

As if James had anything to do with that. As far as I know he was never on the coaching staff so I'm not sure how influential he was in the school getting the worst kind of probation.

[SP1!]

you should go to the bar and watch the games. 7-0 oklahoma
I did, he was wasted now his wife gets to come pick him up :laugh:

If the kid is injured, you send him home or do something that is "football productive". What Leach did was haze the kid. People go to jail for that shit. And that's what we KNOW. What else did he do?

Leach was given MANY opportunities to do "the right thing" when it came to the Jones issue, and he was basically an asshole every time it came up.
No, he didnt, most people need to read what actually has happened instead of relying on espn, who is just protecting one of their own.

http://www.redraiders.com/2009/12/29/former-tech-players-support-suspended-leach/
http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2009-12-30/james-gang-helps-texas-tech-get-revenge-on-leach
http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/6270202

They have been gunning for him since the last contract when he interviewed with teams and didnt tell them(he had no contract so he wasnt obligated to do so) that pissed them off and they ended up caving into every thing he wanted because their fans wanted him. If anything like this had surfaced before they could have used it and either quit negotiations or told him that if he doesnt drop some demands this will come to light. So to say we DONT KNOW something is just ludicrous.

And Beam, hes getting support because hes a nice guy and the people/alumni loved him, mangino had more than just that one incident and was already under suspicions by most people, he is also an abrasive dick which is strange cause fat people are supposed to be jolly. This is the only recorded(documented) case for Leach and the only time it surfaced was after Craig James did the interview, even during that interview I was thinking something just wasnt right, at first I was thinking Leach should just be strung up but now its getting pretty obvious that certain people didnt like him and this whiney little pussy was their ticket to get him.

His interview on espn tonight should be interesting, its kind of telling when you see how espn has toned down their glowing support of james and have started showing of the support Leach has from current and former players/coaches/trainers.

[Freakshow]

Yes, but Brad Smith was initially drafted based on his QB ability, and made the team under Mangini on the QB depth chart. He was still holding a QB roster spot when he started going the "Kordell Stewart" route to get on the field. He didn't "make the team" by learning another position.

Robinson was already a "slash" player at Penn State (I remember that he played slot/WR against Auburn in their bowl game). I'm pretty sure he was drafted to play RB for the 49ers from day one (a position he'd already played many times in college), not drafted as a QB.

Cribbs wasn't drafted as a QB... and, in fact, wasn't drafted at all. He came into camp as a free agent, and had to earn a special teams position to make the team.

From what I've read of Tebow, he's not giving up playing QB in the NFL, and hoping that he'll get drafted as a QB, and at least have the chance to practice and get some pre-season reps under center before they make a decision. I'm guessing that most likely someone will take him in a later round.

Those roster cut decisions come quickly in the NFL, and I don't see a team trying to suddenly convert him to a TE or another position and keep him on the roster unless he's already practicing that position, or playing special teams... and how often do you see even the 4th string QB out there covering kickoffs, even in pre-season?

My point with the Jones comparison, is that if Tebow really wants to play in the NFL, no matter what position... then he really needs to talk to interested teams, and find out what his realistic chances are. If they're slim, then it might do better to try to get into a Senior bowl or Hula bowl game and start practicing now as a TE or whatever he thinks he can play at the next level.

Brad Smith was drafted on athletic ability. He actually fell because there were rumors he was insisting he would only play QB in the pros.

from an article dated April 2006:

Because of his erratic accuracy as a passer, several pro teams are projecting Smith as a possible candidate to move to receiver at the next level, but with his speed, elusiveness and scrambling ability, he could prove more productive if he shifts to halfback at the next level. The problem through the Indy Combine has been Smith's unwillingness to let go of his dream to play quarterback in the NFL.

also in the article:

Corby Jones believes Brad Smith is making a big mistake. In fact, it's a million-dollar mistake, according to Jones.

Smith is at the Scouting Combine this week, intent on being a quarterback in the NFL. As a quarterback at Missouri, Smith became the only player in Division I college football history to pass for 8,000 yards and run for 4,000 yards in a career. But he completed just 56.3 percent of his passes.

Jones is a former Missouri quarterback who is now an attorney in Kansas City and breaking into the sports agent business. At the combine, Jones was blunt when asked about Smith.

"He's killing himself (by insisting he wants to be a quarterback)," Jones said. "If he concentrated on being a wide receiver, he'd be a second-round pick. And he can do it. He has the feet and the speed. But he doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL quarterback."


http://foxsports.foxnews.com/other/story/5527498/Brad-Smith-Draft-Profile

[cougarjake13]

so glad i dont bet money

[SP1!]

Wow Tennessee got spanked, damn I wish bud foster would have come to UGA.

[ozzie]

Brad Smith was drafted on athletic ability. He actually fell because there were rumors he was insisting he would only play QB in the pros.

from an article dated April 2006:

Because of his erratic accuracy as a passer, several pro teams are projecting Smith as a possible candidate to move to receiver at the next level, but with his speed, elusiveness and scrambling ability, he could prove more productive if he shifts to halfback at the next level. The problem through the Indy Combine has been Smith's unwillingness to let go of his dream to play quarterback in the NFL.

also in the article:

Corby Jones believes Brad Smith is making a big mistake. In fact, it's a million-dollar mistake, according to Jones.

Smith is at the Scouting Combine this week, intent on being a quarterback in the NFL. As a quarterback at Missouri, Smith became the only player in Division I college football history to pass for 8,000 yards and run for 4,000 yards in a career. But he completed just 56.3 percent of his passes.

Jones is a former Missouri quarterback who is now an attorney in Kansas City and breaking into the sports agent business. At the combine, Jones was blunt when asked about Smith.

"He's killing himself (by insisting he wants to be a quarterback)," Jones said. "If he concentrated on being a wide receiver, he'd be a second-round pick. And he can do it. He has the feet and the speed. But he doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL quarterback."


http://foxsports.foxnews.com/other/story/5527498/Brad-Smith-Draft-Profile

Whether people thought he made the wrong decision or not, the fact remains that he made the team as a quarterback, not any other position, and is still employed because while he was on the QB depth chart, he earned and has maintained a roster spot through his willingness to play special teams. He didn't make the team as a WR or other position player, like Matt Jones chose to do.

Your initial statement implied that all the former QB's you listed were drafted as QB's, failed, yet still made the team because they changed positions.

But, with that said... what the former Mizzou QB had to say about Smith, is the same objection I have to Tebow trying to pursue a QB position.

*I* personally think it's a mistake, but he could prove me wrong.

I think that if he thinks that he can "fall back" into a TE or other position after giving QB a chance... it may be too late, and he could wash out of the league entirely after one pre-season.

If he doesn't initially make a team as a QB, he'll be cut, or at best put on a practice squad. I don't think his athletic ability is enough to give him a precious roster spot in the "hope" that he'd be able to immediately contribute to an NFL team in any other capacity without practicing through camp at that position.

[Tenbatsuzen]

They have been gunning for him since the last contract when he interviewed with teams and didnt tell them(he had no contract so he wasnt obligated to do so) that pissed them off and they ended up caving into every thing he wanted because their fans wanted him. If anything like this had surfaced before they could have used it and either quit negotiations or told him that if he doesnt drop some demands this will come to light. So to say we DONT KNOW something is just ludicrous.

So let me get this straight - a coach who shows no loyalty to his team, negotiations for his contract has gone south, and he was given an opportunity to apologize for what he did to the kid and HE DID NOT - and we're supposed to be on Leach's side?

Sorry, as someone who got burned by RichRod, I say fuck him. If he's disloyal - even without a contract - then fuck him.

[SP1!]

So let me get this straight - a coach who shows no loyalty to his team, negotiations for his contract has gone south, and he was given an opportunity to apologize for what he did to the kid and HE DID NOT - and we're supposed to be on Leach's side?

Sorry, as someone who got burned by RichRod, I say fuck him. If he's disloyal - even without a contract - then fuck him.

You need to read the contract negotiation emails floating around the web, they were trying to fuck him last year so he seriously thought about taking the washington job and they resented him for it. If Im a fan I wouldnt fault him for taking a job that would have more than doubled my salary, he built that team into a program and they wanted to screw him? Its not at all like richrod who was getting paid, you are talking about the guy(Leach) who was the lowest paid coach in the big 12 by a million+ dollars.

And he wasnt given a chance to apologize, he was going to be forced to make a public apology and admit guilt by reading their lawyers prepared statement. Reality is the kid is just a brat and craig james a fucking little league type dad that was a dirty college player. All this was a power play by the TT AD and he lost, he pushed too hard and now hes lost his savior coach, hes lost alumni, and hes lost the fans, the local stations are crucifying the AD. There is no long line of abuse from him, its obviously a hatchet job by espn and a way for the AD to try and get power back.

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2010-01-01/mike-leach-denies-mistreating-texas-tech-player-adam-james

[Ritalin]

Bob greise is a suckass. "well, that's all I heard." really? Leach was interviewed on YOUR NETWORK. stupid.

[JimBeam]

If Leach was such a hot prospect for bigger coaching jobs then why did both the Washington and Tennessee jobs go to guys that had never been head coaches ?

Tells you something no ?

A conspiracy by ESPN ? Really ?

Are you the same kinda person that believes that 9/11 was an inside job and that we faked the moon landing ?

Even if Craig James, who's an employee of ESPN, a division of a publicly traded company waned Leach fired the board of directors of Disney didn't call an emergency meeting and say " Well the son of one of our thousands of employees apparently can't cut it on his college football team so we'e gonna use all of our vast resources to make up a story. Put aside all of your bowl coverage and everything else and let's really come up w/ a zinger. I hear the coach at this school is the nex Bear Bryant so we better tear him down now. "

To even think thats the case is borderline unbalanced.

Maybe Obama's involved too ?

[epo]

I wouldn't doubt if Leach did awful things and used terribly outdated methods with his players. I also wouldn't doubt if the entire James family were complete self-serving jerkoffs.

All I really want is all of them off my tv.

[JimBeam]

I think we're still gonna see a lot more of this until another story breaks.

If Bowden or Patrno kicked the bucket on the sidelines that'd probably derail this story.

Maybe not even so drastic.

Maybe if Bowden just came out and coached the last game in his skivees and totally acted like he forgot his pants.

That'd probably work.

[Snoogans]

I think we're still gonna see a lot more of this until another story breaks.

If Bowden or Patrno kicked the bucket on the sidelines that'd probably derail this story.

Maybe not even so drastic.

Maybe if Bowden just came out and coached the last game in his skivees and totally acted like he forgot his pants.

That'd probably work.

FUCK. I knew I forgot someone in my death pool. These fucks better not die, I have Corso and Holtz, not them

[JimBeam]

SP are you saying that you don't believe the kid ever had a concussion ?

Is that part made up by the James' and ESPN as well ?

The simple fact of the matter is staffs at civilized schools don't send kids to sheds when they think they are injured. They send them to the hospital or someplace else to get a check up.

If James was as big of a screwup as the coaching staff, clearly loyal to Leach ( because why wouldn't they be ), says then why not just cut him ?

I'm sure it's their right especially if they have documented cases of lack of effort.

As far as the university wanting to get back at him due to contact negotiations why does that make sense ?

If they wanted him out why not just cut ties with him last year and say he was asking for too much money.

Sure they'd have ahd to scounge for a new coach but wouldn't it have made more sense to go through that while you're prepared to do so then to wait until the 1st year of his contract and possibly have to pay buyout money ?

Financially it would've made sense to let him walk, to whatever job he was supposedly gonna get, rather then to bring him back and then get rid of him.

The problem with conspiracies is they never hold up to analysis.

[sailor]

fuck bobby bowden and this stupid sentimentality shit. hope they lose his last game by 60.

[Snoogans]

fuck bobby bowden and this stupid sentimentality shit. hope they lose his last game by 60.

agreed

[Snoogans]

ozzie what the fuck happened? Fuckin Auburn

[KnoxHarrington]

agreed

I've never gotten how Bowden can run one of the dirtiest, most thug-ridden programs in college football and still be treated like some beloved old grandpa.

People kill "The U" for being sleazy, but Bobby Bowden gets away with cheating his ass off and recruiting scumbags because he's "folksy" and says "dad gummit". It's bullshit.

[disneyspy]

hahahaha,the crowd chanting erin andrews drowned out the capitol one bowl rep,tell me shes not more popular now than ever

[sailor]

wide left, bitches! squandered a great opportunity there.

[Snoogans]

cover the fuckin 9 auburn

[Snoogans]

fuck jared brown

[ozzie]

ozzie what the fuck happened? Fuckin Auburn

Shitty tackling. It's been a problem all year. Lack of depth has forced them to have very light practices ever since last spring. They don't do a hell of a lot of full contact until game time.

They've also been prone to getting very conservative on offense once they establish a lead and let teams like this get back into games.

They blew 14 - 0 leads to both Bama and Georgia, and totally pissed away the Kentucky game earlier this year.

[joeyballsack]

Are LSU and Penn State playing in a cow pasture?

[ozzie]

cover the fuckin 9 auburn

Always risky to bet AU to cover more than one score this year.

[disneyspy]

what a crappy spot in that LSU/PSU game

[Snoogans]

Always risky to bet AU to cover more than one score this year.

yea but this is a big ten opponent. so you better cover.

and nice head dick, WHY DO THESE DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS KEEP TAKING THESE CELEBRATION PENALTIES

[ozzie]

Are LSU and Penn State playing in a cow pasture?

They just had the Florida HS playoffs there all through December, and just had another bowl game there last week.

[Snoogans]

auburn better cover 9, LSU needs to win, WV needs to cover 3 and Cincy needs to cover +13.5

[Snoogans]

They just had the Florida HS playoffs there all through December, and just had another bowl game there last week.

and lots of rain

[ozzie]

yea but this is a big ten opponent. so you better cover.

and nice head dick, WHY DO THESE DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS KEEP TAKING THESE CELEBRATION PENALTIES

After the Georgia/LSU "celebration penalty" fiasco, the SEC officials were told by the commissioner to knock it off.

Problem is... these aren't SEC officials today, and AU needs to fucking remember that.

[Snoogans]

they better stop this fuckin 4th down, fags. if they win by 7 i will hate them forever

[disneyspy]

i bet bobby bowden comes out of retirement once joe pa dies

[JimBeam]

I liked the exchange between the Northwestern coach and the QB after he threw his 5th TD.

You could see the guy wasn't taking this game too serioulsy.

Now again this is Northwestern and maybe that attitude works there but wouldn't work elsewhere but it was still nice to see.

Enjoying the moment.

Snoogans you're hoping for the onside kick here to make it a shorter field for Auburn.

[Snoogans]

i need a FG. Auburn better get a fuckin FG

[JimBeam]

That helps you.

Now you've gotta hope they can grind out the TD because I don't see them passing or attempting the FG.

[Snoogans]

That helps you.

Now you've gotta hope they can grind out the TD because I don't see them passing or attempting the FG.

if they get stopped til 4th down they will kick

[Snoogans]

fuck you ozzie

[JimBeam]

Ouch.

My thought was they wouldn't attempt a kick in case it got blocked and returned for a TD.

I would think they'd go for it on 4th and whatever hoping to get the 1st down or at the very least keep the ball deeper in Northwestern territory.

[ozzie]

fuck you ozzie

If you'd asked me beforehand, I'd have talked you out of laying 9.

[Snoogans]

If you'd asked me beforehand, I'd have talked you out of laying 9.

where were you at 330am when i made the bets. you shoulda been here for me, bro

[JimBeam]

You're getting 13.5 in the Cincy/UF game ?

Did I hear something last night, or possibly imagining it, that UF was gonna be w/o 6 players ?

[Snoogans]

auburn might be the dumbest team in the world not counting tennessee

or florida or florida state

[JimBeam]

LSU just missed a chance to get a fumble ..... but now they go ti.

Or maybe not.

[Snoogans]

You're getting 13.5 in the Cincy/UF game ?

Did I hear something last night, or possibly imagining it, that UF was gonna be w/o 6 players ?

13 even actually. I just checked.

thats why i took it, with all the florida shit and cincy shit, i think its gonna be sloppy shit and someone wins a close shitty game. Vegas has it at 13. Ya'll should jump on that



btw auburn really fuckin blows

[disneyspy]

the NW/AU game is now tied,poor snoogans

[Snoogans]

good fuck auburn. I hope they lose now and the coach gets fired

[disneyspy]

oh shit fumble AU with a min to go

[JimBeam]

the NW/AU game is now tied,poor snoogans

No way !!

I switched over to LSU/Penn St.

I'm sure Snoogans didn't care once he couldn't win.

This field in the LSU/Penn St game is a complete mess.

4 fumbles already today w/ none lost.

[Snoogans]

No way !!

I switched over to LSU/Penn St.

I'm sure Snoogans didn't care once he couldn't win.

This field in the LSU/Penn St game is a complete mess.

4 fumbles already today w/ none lost.

NW has a 43 yarder to win it at the end. no joke

[Snoogans]

auburn is the worst team ever in the history of football after this shit today. 4th and 3 and you got the QB wrapped up 15 yards behind the line and you GRAB HIS FUCKIN FACEMASK

[Snoogans]

fuckin bums. OT coming

Now i want auburn to lose. this fuckin bum kicker

[JimBeam]

Got it on now.

Joe Paterno just got sassy w/ Erin Andrews.

Pretty funny.

She must've been waiting to ask him something as he walked off the field and you heard him say something like " Come on, let's go. "

You didn't see it, only heard it.

[Snoogans]

regardless how pathetic by auburn, this has been a great fuckin game

but damn ozzie. How the fuck did this happen. The knicks dont even blow leads that easy

[ozzie]

regardless how pathetic by auburn, this has been a great fuckin game

but damn ozzie. How the fuck did this happen. The knicks dont even blow leads that easy

It's happened all fucking year.

[epo]

but damn ozzie. How the fuck did this happen. The knicks dont even blow leads that easy

Big Ten magic. One day, you may get it too.

[disneyspy]

looked like the ground caused the fumble,shouldnt be an illegal bat

[Snoogans]

Big Ten magic. One day, you may get it too.

seriously this ending is insane. these refs are so lost. Why didnt that DB just grab the ball?

[ozzie]

"Illegal bat"?!?!?!? Are you fucking kidding me?

The penalty differential in this game is getting fucking ridiculous.

[Snoogans]

how did they not call him down?

[disneyspy]

no way THAT was a fumble either

[Snoogans]

how the fuck do the refs think thats afumble? even on tv live it was obvious

[Snoogans]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


AGHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

dumbest team ever

[ozzie]

I fucking give up. Fuck this officiating crew in their fucking asses.

[disneyspy]

how the fuck do you rough the kicker on 4th and 14,auburn is more horrible with unnecessary penalties than michigan

[epo]

I love the Auburn guy celebrating and bumping the ref while he's dropping a 15-yarder on them.

[Snoogans]

I fucking give up. Fuck this officiating crew in their fucking asses.

come on man, that was obvious. why even touch the guy. Just stay away

[ozzie]

Yet they decided to "NO CALL" when our punter was knocked on his Ass!?!?!?

[Snoogans]

i think somewhere some people at buffalo wild wings dont wanna leave yet

[ozzie]

come on man, that was obvious. why even touch the guy. Just stay away

He slid 4 yards and the kickers momentum carried him forward... at BEST it's "running into the kicker"... and no 1st down.

[disneyspy]

i think somewhere some people at buffalo wild wings dont wanna leave yet

HAHHAHAHAHAHHA!!

[Snoogans]

what a bunch of fuckin dummies. Now im almost glad NW lost. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU FAKE A 23 YARD FG?????


I could give a fuck about either of these teams and they both made me so angry I know hate them both. I have 2 new teams to root against

[disneyspy]

He slid 4 yards and the kickers momentum carried him forward... at BEST it's "running into the kicker"... and no 1st down.

easy ozzie,they won anyway

[ozzie]

Fuck them and their fucking fake FG.

[ozzie]

what a bunch of fuckin dummies. Now im almost glad NW lost. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU FAKE A 23 YARD FG?????


I could give a fuck about either of these teams and they both made me so angry I know hate them both. I have 2 new teams to root against

Aside from your ill-advised bet... you gotta admit, you were entertained.

[Snoogans]

Aside from your ill-advised bet... you gotta admit, you were entertained.

of course. but i still want NW and auburn to go 0-12 next year

[Snoogans]

dont worry LSU and WV seem like they wanna fuck me too. BUMS

[ozzie]

of course. but i still want NW and auburn to go 0-12 next year

After getting a committment from Cameron Newton yesterday... Rivals has AU's incoming class ranked #3 in the country.

Two 5-star players... Ten 4-stars... and will probably get at least half a dozen enrolled in January, so they can sign even more.

Unfortunately for the AU haters, this team is going to get better, and very soon.

[JimBeam]

i think somewhere some people at buffalo wild wings dont wanna leave yet

I didn't think of it that time but I was thinking that this was the longest 1 possesion a piece OT that I've ever sat through.

Great observation.

I saw that fake FG coming a mile away.

Gies back to what I said about the coach not being pissed about the QB's 5th INT.

I think he, the coach, looked at this is as a moral victory and that if he could pull off the win on a trick play it'd be that much better.

Probably thought the kick was questionable and that they wouldn't be able to hold off Auburn's offense much longer.

With that said there were some very stupid and shaley penalties.

Another fumble in the LSU/Penn St game.

[JimBeam]

After getting a committment from Cameron Newton yesterday... Rivals has AU's incoming class ranked #3 in the country.

Two 5-star players... Ten 4-stars... and will probably get at least half a dozen enrolled in January, so they can sign even more.

Unfortunately for the AU haters, this team is going to get better, and very soon.

Recruiting rankings are always questionable and you really have to wait until signing day because you get some wafflers.

[Tenbatsuzen]

dont worry LSU and WV seem like they wanna fuck me too. BUMS

QB's injured. At this point, DON'T BE A PUSSY PUT COLEY WHITE IN

[Ritalin]

If Leach was such a hot prospect for bigger coaching jobs then why did both the Washington and Tennessee jobs go to guys that had never been head coaches ?

Tells you something no ?

A conspiracy by ESPN ? Really ?

Are you the same kinda person that believes that 9/11 was an inside job and that we faked the moon landing ?

Even if Craig James, who's an employee of ESPN, a division of a publicly traded company waned Leach fired the board of directors of Disney didn't call an emergency meeting and say " Well the son of one of our thousands of employees apparently can't cut it on his college football team so we'e gonna use all of our vast resources to make up a story. Put aside all of your bowl coverage and everything else and let's really come up w/ a zinger. I hear the coach at this school is the nex Bear Bryant so we better tear him down now. "

To even think thats the case is borderline unbalanced.

Maybe Obama's involved too ?

What are you talking about?

I'm watching the NW/Auburn game and they ask Bob Griese about it, and he says, "well, it's no good to put a kid in an electrical closet if he has a concussion, and that's all I've heard about it."

Well what the fuck is Griese talking about? Either he's too stupid to know that Leach was interviewed on his own network just the night before and refuted that fact, or he does know and is chosing to ignore it. Hey, I don't give a fuck if Griese says nothing about it, but what he said makes him come off like an old fool.

[ozzie]

Recruiting rankings are always questionable and you really have to wait until signing day because you get some wafflers.

I agree that you don't always get them all enrolled, but I will have to say that Rivals does a pretty good job evaluating talent.

And Cam Newton is a known quantity. He was #2 on the depth chart at Florida behind "everyone's all-american" as a Freshman (and saw some mop-up time) before he made a stupid mistake.

[JimBeam]

I'm still replying to SP's posts.

I know that's not entirely clear as the posts are sporadic but I'm staying on that theme while also watching the games.

I'm trying to read up on as much of the Leach thing as I can to try and get perspective.

I'm trying to find articles from more news orientated sources and not things like Red Raider Nation and a few tools at the Sporting News and CBS who might be mad at ESPN for having returned their resumes with a " don't call us, we'll call you " response.

[Ritalin]

I'm still replying to SP's posts.

I know that's not entirely clear as the posts are sporadic but I'm staying on that theme while also watching the games.

I'm trying to read up on as much of the Leach thing as I can to try and get perspective.

I'm trying to find articles from more news orientated sources and not things like Red Raider Nation and a few tools at the Sporting News and CBS who might be mad at ESPN for having returned their resumes with a " don't call us, we'll call you " response.

how about ESPN?

http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=4787194&top

it's a mobile link, but it's on their site.

[SP1!]

If Leach was such a hot prospect for bigger coaching jobs then why did both the Washington and Tennessee jobs go to guys that had never been head coaches ?

Tells you something no ?

A conspiracy by ESPN ? Really ?

Are you the same kinda person that believes that 9/11 was an inside job and that we faked the moon landing ?

Even if Craig James, who's an employee of ESPN, a division of a publicly traded company waned Leach fired the board of directors of Disney didn't call an emergency meeting and say " Well the son of one of our thousands of employees apparently can't cut it on his college football team so we'e gonna use all of our vast resources to make up a story. Put aside all of your bowl coverage and everything else and let's really come up w/ a zinger. I hear the coach at this school is the nex Bear Bryant so we better tear him down now. "

To even think thats the case is borderline unbalanced.

Maybe Obama's involved too ?

Again, you need to read all the stories to find the truth, there are letters from the AD about how to try and screw him out of money during the contract negotiations, he spoke to the schools about both jobs but wasnt serious, he was just looking into his options and stated his heart was at TT. Then, after they AD and his staff heard all of that they tried to low ball him so he went back and spoke to washington again, that is what pissed them off and they called his agent before he even spoke to them to get a deal done then had to give up a ton since the fans/players/alumni loved him.

I never said a conspiracy by espn, I am saying they used shit journalism to rail road the guy prompted mainly on the word of a known college cheater(remember SMU?) who was upset because he didnt play his kid enough, played a recorded VM of him(craig) whining to Leach and assistant coaches for other people, then he(craig) went to the AD to get results or answers for why his kid wasnt playing more.

In the end, the AD was pissy at giving up so much power to Leach during contract negotiations and you had one over protective father trying to get his little snowflake more playing time.

In the past 24 hours you have seen this come unraveled for espn, they quit running that video of the "electrical closet" since the current team doctors and trainers have come out and said thats not true. They have also started running current/past players/coaches/trainers support for Leach and ran an interview with him. Also this so-called apology the AD keeps talking about is crazy, what it really was supposed to be was a public apology of a prepared statement by TT's lawyers and a reason for them to take back some of the powers on the contract. He refused as any rational person would.

I have no idea if obama was involved, although he is part of the man's system now so it wouldnt surprise me............

[JimBeam]

Dude you posted links to a Red Raiders fan site, a guy who works for The Sporting News and who could be seen as being jealous of James and his ESPN career and a guy from CBS who uses Leach's own opinion as an " ah ha " as if that immediately counters the facts being reported by all news sources.

The articles conveniently post comments by former players but leave out the one anti-Leach comment which was made by a current player and reported by ESPN.

Wait maybe ESPN fabricated that as well.

One of the articles makes a point that you're expected to participate when you're injured.

Really ? Even w/ a concusion ?

And it points to how Grahm Harrell played despite having broken bones but negelcts to point out that he was trying to improve his draft status which at the time said he was undraftable and remained unchanged.

Yiu want us to read " all the stories " but expect the 3 you posted to carry more weight than those of ESPN ?

ESPN, despite the claims, has no vested interest here and their only job is to report the facts.

Craig James is afforded his opinion and Mike leach was given equal time w/ his interview.

[SP1!]

Well what the fuck is Griese talking about? Either he's too stupid to know that Leach was interviewed on his own network just the night before and refuted that fact, or he does know and is chosing to ignore it. Hey, I don't give a fuck if Griese says nothing about it, but what he said makes him come off like an old fool.
Exactly, so either he was told not to speak about it or hes a complete fucking moron.

I'm still replying to SP's posts.

I know that's not entirely clear as the posts are sporadic but I'm staying on that theme while also watching the games.

I'm trying to read up on as much of the Leach thing as I can to try and get perspective.

I'm trying to find articles from more news orientated sources and not things like Red Raider Nation and a few tools at the Sporting News and CBS who might be mad at ESPN for having returned their resumes with a " don't call us, we'll call you " response.
So now the only reason they are posting positive shit about Leach was because they were turned down for an espn job? Which conspiracy theory is more crazy? One where the network is now back pedaling or an organization that is finding even more people, including the team doctor, saying adam james story is bullshit? It was pretty clear that at the beginning this kids story didnt smell right but they ran with it anyway and now are having to do damage control. If there were any, ANY instances of him punishing or abusing the players in the past, then the story would be easy to believe but from what is being put out there hes an extremely nice guy and a tough coach who's worst player abuse is making them work for starting jobs.

[Snoogans]

fuck west virginia. Goddamn BUMS

[JimBeam]

You've still failed to make the link between ESPN and Texas Tech.

Tech did not have to bring him back last year do why did they ?

With the hopes of spending more money and then firing him ?

How does that make sense at all ?

There's other anti-Leach stuff out there and that's why the school fired him.

They didn't do it based on the possible made up story by a student.

Administators and bean counters at schools don't puruse things that cost them money.

When institutions lose money people get fired.

[JimBeam]

Here's a portion of an article from a guy who covers Washington football for the Seattle Times :

I've probably been remiss in not publishing an entry allowing for comment on the Mike Leach firing today, especially considering that less than 13 months ago he was a candidate for the head coaching job at UW.

Leach was one of three persons known to have had in-person interviews with UW officials about replacing the fired Tyrone Willingham --- eventual hire Steve Sarkisian and Fresno State's Pat Hill were the others. There were certainly scores of others who were at least talked to on the phone, or more informally (Missouri's Gary Pinkel, for instance, was definitely approached about the job and would have been a choice far above Leach for all the obvious reasons, but apparently was simply not interested in wanting to get into another rebuilding situation, and there's lots of reason to think that Brian Kelly, recently hired at Notre Dame but then at Cincinnati, was also approached, as was Jim Mora).

PROGRAMMING NOTE --- Just wanted to alert that with some other commitments at hand during the day Thursday, not sure when I will post on here next, but I'll try to get some stuff up at some point over the next few days.

But while Leach was definitely among those the school talked to, I think it's far too simplistic to say he was UW's No. 1 choice, or was ever even offered the job. In fact, what I've heard is that the second interview he was supposed to have was scotched after UW wouldn't commit to hiring him if he came, that Leach wanted something of a promise that he was the choice since word had gotten out of his first interview. While understandably intrigued by his success, UW was apparently a little skittish of Leach's eccentricities, especially having just dealt with a coach in Willingham who had skittish relations with boosters and media (and these are things I was told at the time, not in the wake of all of this news).

Leach was confirmed to have flown to Seattle to meet with UW officials three days before the school eventually hired Sarkisian. Sarkisian had been interviewed the previous week, and Hill in between, so of those three, Leach was the last to get an interview.

E-mails that were made public today by the Dallas Morning News detailing the contentious contract negotiations between Leach and Texas Tech last year include several mentions of his interview with UW. One has Jim Sowell, chairman of the school's Board of Regents, writing that Leach's agent "begged'' Washington for an interview. Another has him noting that the UW interview was the only one Leach had in nine years at UW and that Washington then hired another coach within 24 hours (that timeline doesn't jibe exactly with the timeline I know, but Sarkisian was hired within hours of the time when Leach let it be known he was no longer a candidate).

Regardless of how close Leach may or may not have been to ever becoming UW's coach, there seems little question today that the Huskies are better off with the direction they eventually headed.

[Snoogans]

please LSU go save me. i lost auburn and will lose WV. Please save me from a washout afternoon and give me momentum into tonight

[joeyballsack]

LSU has the worst clock management in the history of football.

[JimBeam]

I agree w/ the announcer that the LSU offensive lineman wasn't really trying to hurt the guy but obvioulsy you can't drag players around just because you're trailing and don't have any timeouts.

Pretty good game in a sloppy kinda way.

Sorry Snoogans.

The bad news is I don't think you're gonna get any more help from Cincy tonight.

But some money on Oregon in this next game.

[weekapaugjz]

Penn State!

[Snoogans]

I agree w/ the announcer that the LSU offensive lineman wasn't really trying to hurt the guy but obvioulsy you can't drag players around just because you're trailing and don't have any timeouts.

Pretty good game in a sloppy kinda way.

Sorry Snoogans.

The bad news is I don't think you're gonna get any more help from Cincy tonight.

But some money on Oregon in this next game.

Cincy +13 man. i think they can keep it within 10, esp with all those florida kids out

im 0-3 today but I still have 3 bets out, so all is not yet lost

[JimBeam]

I just think UF's defense is gonna make a huge difference.

They've got motivation and all that crap going for them now.

What are your other 2 games ?

[ozzie]

Of all of the ugly uniform combinations Oregon has ever used... this has got to be one of the worst.

[ozzie]

Cincy +13 man. i think they can keep it within 10, esp with all those florida kids out

im 0-3 today but I still have 3 bets out, so all is not yet lost

Cincinnati's Defense is practically non-existent. Pitt made them look silly.

They're going to have to score a ton of points to keep this one close.

[Snoogans]

should i bet oregon -4.5. moneyline is -175, thats kinda tough


hurry i gotta call it soon

[ozzie]

Oh, and New Year's Day should fall on a Friday every year.

There's usually entirely too many games going at once. I like how they're spreading them out into Saturday this year.

[Snoogans]

fuck it just moved to 5

[ozzie]

should i bet oregon -4.5. moneyline is -175, thats kinda tough


hurry i gotta call it soon

I'm laying 4. I don't think another half point would make that big a difference.

[ozzie]

fuck it just moved to 5

Usually not a good sign... yikes.

[Snoogans]

yea im not touchin this one

[Snoogans]

Usually not a good sign... yikes.

it also means alot of people got hit hard at 1 o clock and are chasing

[SP1!]

fuck west virginia. Goddamn BUMS
I dont know how they lost to FSU

You've still failed to make the link between ESPN and Texas Tech.
Tech did not have to bring him back last year do why did they ?
With the hopes of spending more money and then firing him ?
How does that make sense at all ?
There's other anti-Leach stuff out there and that's why the school fired him.
They didn't do it based on the possible made up story by a student.
Administators and bean counters at schools don't puruse things that cost them money.
When institutions lose money people get fired.

Here's a portion of an article from a guy who covers Washington football for the Seattle Times :
The only link is the james boys and you didnt address how your only response to the numerous articles about how the administration had a grudge was that they were espn rejects. TT brought him back because if you read those emails they could not get anyone nearly as good and the fans/players/alumni loved him for getting a program out of the shit house cellar. They are making money from the fact they said with "cause" it frees them from having to pay him anything and also frees them from paying for all the improvements they promised in his contract.

And what other anti-leach stuff? I have posted links to what I have read but you havent just some vague article about a guy who states his agent begged for an interview, isnt that what agents are supposed to do? And that is not from washingtons perspective, that is from TT's perspective, you need to read those emails to see the whole story, the TT AD sounds like fucking assholes and very unprofessional.

When all this washes out I bet that Leach gets a nice settlement, the ADs end up fired, and james gets suspended or booed everywhere he goes. TTU really fucked up and espn should have done more investigation instead of taking the word or an over protective dad.

[JimBeam]

I heard yesterday or earlier today that Prior had tweaked his ACL/MCL and that he was felling it when he made some cuts.

That could be big although at times i think he hurts them as much as helps.

[SP1!]

fuck it just moved to 5

Yeah you never keep betting just to make up losses from earlier in the day, I never bet money, mainly because I would be even more pissed if some 19 year old kid dropped a pass that would have got me to cover points.

[JimBeam]

Snoogans what other games do you have today other than Cincy/UF and now the Rose Bowl ?

[SP1!]

I heard yesterday or earlier today that Prior had tweaked his ACL/MCL and that he was felling it when he made some cuts.

That could be big although at times i think he hurts them as much as helps.

I thought it wat the PCL, the ligament on the back of the knee

[JimBeam]

I wasn't sure.

Knew it was something in the knee.

They briefly mentioned it here before kickoff but I didn;t hear what they said.

[ozzie]

I thought it wat the PCL, the ligament on the back of the knee

I heard the same thing, but no idea of the severity.

I injured mine once in a head-on-into-a-lightpost collision when my shin hit the dash while I was in the front passenger seat.

I couldn't imagine playing on it anytime soon after that.

[SP1!]

Well either way, it should cut down on his mobility and I have never been a big fan of him at QB anyway, sometimes he looks lost

[Freakshow]

I agree w/ the announcer that the LSU offensive lineman wasn't really trying to hurt the guy but obvioulsy you can't drag players around just because you're trailing and don't have any timeouts.

Pretty good game in a sloppy kinda way.

Sorry Snoogans.

The bad news is I don't think you're gonna get any more help from Cincy tonight.

But some money on Oregon in this next game.

I think if he just lets Bowman be, it's actually a penalty on PSU if he's sitting on the ball. I don't think they pick anything up, even without the penalty. Any field goal over 25 yards was a long-shot on that field.

[JimBeam]

You saw him gimping a bit on that one scramble.

[Ritalin]

Cincy +13 man. i think they can keep it within 10, esp with all those florida kids out

im 0-3 today but I still have 3 bets out, so all is not yet lost

Snoogans, you got it BAD, man. Art Schliester bad.

[JimBeam]

I think if he just lets Bowman be, it's actually a penalty on PSU if he's sitting on the ball. I don't think they pick anything up, even without the penalty. Any field goal over 25 yards was a long-shot on that field.

That's probably true if they think he was actually doing it on purpose.

LSU took 15 seonds to snap the ball after that.

That's crazy.

[SP1!]

You saw him gimping a bit on that one scramble.
Yeah they are going to have to pass most of this game, it may not be pretty

[Snoogans]

Snoogans what other games do you have today other than Cincy/UF and now the Rose Bowl ?

the knicks +11.5 vs atlanta and Southern illinois +1 but those are much smaller bets that dont really matter as much. just testing a method with like 10 bucks per game with the southern illinois one. So far that method got me from 10 cents to 30 bucks on centsports so im tryin it out with 10 bucks to see what happens.

and the knicks i think are gonna keep it tight with atlanta after they shit the bed against the nets. they will still lose, but i think by less than 10

[Snoogans]

Snoogans, you got it BAD, man. Art Schliester bad.

we'll see. i dont think cincy is gonna win. i just have a feelin they can keep it close. right now after the 1pm games, im up 80 bucks still total from bowls. So i put 10 times on cincy, if i lose im still up 25.

the knicks and south ill bets are on sportsbook.com, not with a bookie