2009 College Football thread

[JimBeam]

my favorite is they robbed it all wearing official Tennessee football t shirts


Impossible is Nothing

Yeah I found that rather ironic.

Also that they tried to rob a few people that didn't have any money.

Not that they could've known that but after the fact it's humorous.

[Snoogans]

Yeah I found that rather ironic.

Also that they tried to rob a few people that didn't have any money.

Not that they could've known that but after the fact it's humorous.

thats the best part, dont rob the store you are at that has money, rob the poor college kids who just spent what little money they had at that store....in official team shirts


how did this plan not work?

[Snoogans]

and for anyone who ever asks why the SEC is so much better at football, this is why. Cause kids this stupid are accepted to SEC schools

[JimBeam]

The kids probably had whatever cahs they had on them in their pockets.

I don't keep my money in the wallet.

I keep it in my pants.

[ozzie]

and for anyone who ever asks why the SEC is so much better at football, this is why. Cause kids this stupid are accepted to SEC schools

Haha... wait... what?!?!?

Hey!

[ozzie]

The kids probably had whatever cahs they had on them in their pockets.

I don't keep my money in the wallet.

I keep it in my pants.

Yup. An emergency $25 in the wallet.

My debit card, license and the rest of my cash in the ol money clip in the right front pocket.

[ozzie]

Auburn at Georgia... Bama at Mississippi State... La Tech at LSU... all kicking off at the same time tomorrow night?

I don't think I have enough DVR receivers and TV's to handle it all.

[ozzie]

Play with a Purpose

On November 14, in honor of our troops, the University of South Carolina Gamecocks and University of Maryland Terrapins will wear specially designed uniforms for their Game Day match-ups versus the University of Florida Gators and Virginia Tech Hokies respectively.

The teams will take the field in black and desert camouflage uniforms featuring the Wounded Warrior Project logo. The uniforms will also feature a warrior core value embellishment - Duty, Honor, Courage, Commitment, Integrity, Country, and Service - will replace the players’ last name on the back of each jersey.

The South Carolina vs. Florida game will be nationally televised on CBS beginning 3:30 p.m. EST.

Three wounded warriors will serve as honorary captains at each game.

This unique gear is being sold in college book stores, local military base exchanges, and online. A portion of the fan gear proceeds will be donated to Wounded Warrior Project. A select number of game jerseys will be auctioned off after the game on the University websites with 100% of the proceeds donated to Wounded Warrior Project.

To find out more, visit www.underarmour.com.

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[ozzie]

Tis the season for gimmick uniforms I guess...

Starting this Saturday, Nov. 14 (and appearing throughout the month), 10 very special college football teams will get to fill Oregon’s shoes as a canvas for Nike Interns as they take the field wearing the “futuristic” Nike Pro Combat uniforms.
Too many to post all the pics.

The 10 are Florida, Florida State, LSU, Miami, Missouri, Ohio State, Oklahoma, TCU, Texas and Virginia Tech.

Check them out here: Nike Pro-Combat, The Complete Collection With Slogans! (http://friendsoftheprogram.net/2009/11/10/nike-pro-combat-the-complete-collection-with-slogans/#more-7925)

Here's a sample of what FSU will be sporting...

From Christian Ponder's twitter...

http://friendsoftheprogram.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/retro-football-036.jpg?w=300&h=242

http://friendsoftheprogram.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/2009-11-10_165126.jpg?w=500&h=326

And what's a new uniform without new matching gloves...

http://friendsoftheprogram.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/2009-11-10_164533.jpg?w=500&h=367

[underdog]

That FSU shit is hot.

[disneyspy]

And what's a new uniform without new matching gloves...

http://friendsoftheprogram.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/2009-11-10_164533.jpg?w=500&h=367[/QUOTE]

it looks like they expect to be doin a lot of diamond cutters

[Snoogans]

maybe with those gloves, they will finally catch shit

[ozzie]

Just for DS...

http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Picture-25.png

[Snoogans]

Jesus Bobby, dont coach the team you are paid to coach or anything:
Here is an exchange he had with reporters.

Bowden: “Both of us made errors. We probably scored on some of their errors -- I didn’t keep up with it. But we’d turn the ball over and they’d go down and score. Then we’d turn it over and they didn’t score. They’d turn it over back. And the game kind of went that way. We felt very comfortable. We knew it was a battle.

“How late was it 24-21 in our favor? How late did it get? Did that get into the fourth quarter?”

Reporter: “Nine and a half minutes left.”

Bowden: “Left in the game?”

Reporter: “Yes.”

Bowden: “So you’re feeling comfortable, but you know that it ain’t won yet. Then of course the dam broke.”


A few minutes later, Bowden was asked this question by another reporter.

Reporter: “In the second half, when it seemed like momentum started to switch, how hard was it to try to reverse that?”

Bowden: “You mean when they got it (momentum)? Well, actually … you know, they had to kick off to us. We had a what? A three-point ….? Did we have the lead at the half?”

(Reporter nods).

Bowden: “We had a three-point lead at the half, I think. Then they had to kick off to us. We needed to take it down and win the darn game right there. We didn’t do it. They stopped us. Then we kicked it to them and then they probably scored.”

Reporter: “They went ahead and then you guys came back.”

Bowden: “Huh?”

Reporter: “They went ahead and then you guys came back again.”

Bowden: “Did we get ahead of them again after that?”

Reporter: “Yeah.”

Bowden: “Then we got back ahead, huh? Umm, it was going that way, you know it? I felt very comfortable that if they could score, we could score. That’s the way I felt, you know it? We’ve done it all year. But then we started turning the ball over.”





HOW CAN HE NOT EVEN KNOW THE FUCKIN SCORE?

[ozzie]

HOW CAN HE NOT EVEN KNOW THE FUCKIN SCORE?

Yeah, this is making the rounds all over in these parts. No one wants to see grandpa go out this way, but it's looking more and more like this could be his last season.

FSU has to win 2 of their last 3 to make a bowl game... and of course one of those 3 is against the gaytors, which makes today a must win game.

The same old guy that built this fucking program and took them to 27 consecutive bowl games, could be ousted if he finally misses one.

I'm all for him and JoePa going out on their own terms, and really hate when people start talking about firing either of them... which is why I wish that Bobby would take it upon himself to step down, or at least step back from the HC position.

[ozzie]

maybe with those gloves, they will finally catch shit

First play from scrimmage.... first drop by FSU.

Maybe the new gloves and uni's will help against Maryland next week.

[ozzie]

Wow... nevermind. Nice 81 yard drive. FSU made it look easy.

But we'll see if they can actually stop Wake... or if this will be another 45 -42 type game.

[Snoogans]

Duke is terrible. Why did people start acting like they were good?

[disneyspy]

fuckin rodrigez could put a defense on the field for michigan,this is embarassing to lose to these smelly cheeseheads

[epo]

fuckin rodrigez could put a defense on the field for michigan,this is embarassing to lose to these smelly cheeseheads

Those Badgers are 8-2 and just whipped yer ass.

Seriously, Rich Rodriguez is a god-awful coach. He has no business being in a major conference.

[Tenbatsuzen]

fuckin rodrigez could put a defense on the field for michigan,this is embarassing to lose to these smelly cheeseheads

I know my team lost, but it's so refreshing to see WVU going to bowls and Michigan not.

[disneyspy]

this so fucked up,the winningest team in college football shouldnt be losing to these fucks,and fuck west virginia

[epo]

this so fucked up,the winningest team in college football shouldnt be losing to these fucks,and fuck west virginia

You rubes hired that hillbilly...now deal with him crying at press conferences.

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[disneyspy]

You rubes hired that hillbilly...now deal with him crying at press conferences.

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ha ha what a fuckin pussy

and fuck LSU too

[Tenbatsuzen]

You rubes hired that hillbilly...now deal with him crying at press conferences.

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I've said it before, and I will say it again.

FUCKING. AWESOME.

[epo]

ha ha what a fuckin pussy

and fuck LSU too

I hope the University of Michigan keeps that son of a bitch forever. He's fucking great...going 1-6 in the Big 10 this year.

Hahahahaha!

[disneyspy]

I hope the University of Michigan keeps that son of a bitch forever. He's fucking great...going 1-6 in the Big 10 this year.

Hahahahaha!

2 bad years in a row means he wont be around be long,fuck mexico too

[disneyspy]

the only way rodriguez keeps his job is if michigan beats that 2nd class school down south next week

[epo]

2 bad years in a row means he wont be around be long,fuck mexico too

Is Bill Martin going really fire him when he's only got a short time left as AD?

[disneyspy]

Is Bill Martin going really fire him when he's only got a short time left as AD?

i think the weathiest boosters in the nation will have more to say about it than him

[epo]

i think the weathiest boosters in the nation will have more to say about it than him

I suppose. I just thought it was darling when they hired Rodriguez to run a gimmick offense in the Big Ten.

Fucking idiots.

[SP1!]

my favorite is they robbed it all wearing official Tennessee football t shirts

Impossible is Nothing
What was hilarious is they escaped in a Prius, when you have to be a thug, please go green!

i think the weathiest boosters in the nation will have more to say about it than him
I think he will stay at least two more years, they paid a shit load to get him from WVU and I think his biggest problem has been recruiting, most michigan players like to be coddled and rich never did that, he took gritty players and made them win.

[epo]

I think he will stay at least two more years, they paid a shit load to get him from WVU and I think his biggest problem has been recruiting, most michigan players like to be coddled and rich never did that, he took gritty players and made them win.

Isn't Michigan starting 3 walk-ons? Obviously RichRod's recruiting isn't going that well.

[disneyspy]

I think he will stay at least two more years, they paid a shit load to get him from WVU and I think his biggest problem has been recruiting, most michigan players like to be coddled and rich never did that, he took gritty players and made them win.

he can go back to those coal mines cuz when it comes to UM football theres still plenty of money to spend and coddling michigan players? thats the most rediculous thing ive ever read from you

[SP1!]

Isn't Michigan starting 3 walk-ons? Obviously RichRod's recruiting isn't going that well.

Yeah 2nd season on a program that was not very well stocked once their last coach left, hes actually a good coach

[FrogSlayer]

not a very good beginning for the dogs

[SP1!]

not a very good beginning for the dogs

Yeah if we lose this game I wont hear the end of it, god I hate willie martinez, he has to be the worst coach in football, at any level.

[underdog]

i think the weathiest boosters in the nation will have more to say about it than him

Who are you saying has the wealthiest boosters in the nation?

[TheGameHHH]

i swear if USC is ranked next week im gonna kick the BCS in its fragile nut sack

[hanso]

Gators chomp the Cocks!

[SP1!]

Who are you saying has the wealthiest boosters in the nation?
Hes saying michigan but Im pretty sure hes wrong, I think UGA has the largest athletic endowment and I think that quite a few universities are ahead of them as far as wealth.

Gators chomp the Cocks!
Just teeblow and his room mate.

[disneyspy]

i said the winningest team in college football,yes they are number 5 in athletic budget but #1 in money made,dont try and scew this into something else. if youre not smart enuf to follow along,then you dont belong on the same board as me,leave

[epo]

Yeah if we lose this game I wont hear the end of it, god I hate willie martinez, he has to be the worst coach in football, at any level.

Gimme a break. Michigan has always recruited well until Rich Rod.

[disneyspy]

Gimme a break. Michigan has always recruited well until Rich Rod.

agreed,every football player in ohio wants to go to michigan,it shouldnt be hard to recruit kids that want to get out of a state that smells like tires

[SP1!]

Gimme a break. Michigan has always recruited well until Rich Rod.

At the end of Lloyd's reign they didnt get the same recruits they got 5 years earlier, they were good by some schools standards but lower than what is needed at that school.

[FrogSlayer]

Bulldogs Win

I hope Rambo is alright, the hit didn't look that bad but he went down like a sack of potatoes

[SP1!]

agreed,every football player in ohio wants to go to michigan,it shouldnt be hard to recruit kids that want to get out of a state that smells like tires

Well I agree that ohio sucks but you cant deny that towards lloyds last few years he got lesser recruits than bo did during his tenure, he lived off bo's legacy as long as he could.

Michigan needs offensive line help if rich wants to win.

[SP1!]

Bulldogs Win

I hope Rambo is alright, the hit didn't look that bad but he went down like a sack of potatoes

Yeah I saw that too, looked really scary, just hope he is ok and can come back next year.

[underdog]

i said the winningest team in college football,yes they are number 5 in athletic budget but #1 in money made,dont try and scew this into something else. if youre not smart enuf to follow along,then you dont belong on the same board as me,leave

You said they had the wealthiest boosters, which just doesn't seem true. Why would wealthy people go to Michigan?

[disneyspy]

You said they had the wealthiest boosters, which just doesn't seem true. Why would wealthy people go to Michigan?

c'mon quit playin retarded,UM is in the top 5 of law,medicine,finance in the US and is one of the top 20 universities in the world. they dont have one single "mega" booster but a crowd of the some of the top 1000 most powerful people in the world,YOU'RE NOT STUPID SO QUIT ACTING LIKE IT

[epo]

You said they had the wealthiest boosters, which just doesn't seem true. Why would wealthy people go to Michigan?

You aren't kidding about that. I can't imagine being in such a horrible lot in life that stepping foot in the state is a dream.

What a dump.

[underdog]

c'mon quit playin retarded,UM is in the top 5 of law,medicine,finance in the US and is one of the top 20 universities in the world. they dont have one single "mega" booster but a crowd of the some of the top 1000 most powerful people in the world,YOU'RE NOT STUPID SO QUIT ACTING LIKE IT

You said the wealthiest boosters.

[underdog]

You said the wealthiest boosters.

Also, I just started reading about michigan and I find it hilarious that one of the most affluent cities in the country is 20 miles outside of Detroit.

[disneyspy]

You aren't kidding about that. I can't imagine being in such a horrible lot in life that stepping foot in the state is a dream.

What a dump.

epo,tell the rocket scientist i'm ignoring him like everyone else does

[epo]

epo,tell the rocket scientist i'm ignoring him like everyone else does

I hate to burst your bubble, but the University of Michigan isn't exactly an academic mecca.

[disneyspy]

I hate to burst your bubble, but the University of Michigan isn't exactly an academic mecca.

jeez i never said it was,are you going to start scewing this to the side of stupidity too?

[underdog]

jeez i never said it was,are you going to start scewing this to the side of stupidity too?

If you're from Michigan, why aren't you a Lions fan?

[JimBeam]

c'mon quit playin retarded,UM is in the top 5 of law,medicine,finance in the US and is one of the top 20 universities in the world. they dont have one single "mega" booster but a crowd of the some of the top 1000 most powerful people in the world,YOU'RE NOT STUPID SO QUIT ACTING LIKE IT

I'm w/ both SP1 and Underdog.

I didn't get where you were going w/ your initial statement.

Are we all supposed to know the stats on Michigan's non-sports related issues like they are common knowledge ?

I'm not saying that your claim isn't true but it does seem like some schools might have bigger boosters.

Where's Notre Dame on that list ?

[disneyspy]

I'm w/ both SP1 and Underdog.

I didn't get where you were going w/ your initial statement.

Are we all supposed to know the stats on Michigan's non-sports related issues like they are common knowledge ?

I'm not saying that your claim isn't true but it does seem like some schools might have bigger boosters.

Where's Notre Dame on that list ?

i thought that michigan was the #1 public university was common knowledge,at least i thought that people that posted on the same board with me had to be cool and knowledgeable,my bad

[El Mudo]

i thought that michigan was the #1 public university was common knowledge,at least i thought that people that posted on the same board with me had to be cool and knowledgeable,my bad

No. 1 according to whom?

In US News and World Report's rankings, its 4th, behind Berkeley, UCLA, and Virginia. (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-top-public)


According to Kiplinger, its 28th (http://www.kiplinger.com/tools/colleges/pubcollege.php?sortby=INRANK04&orderby=flip&states[]=ALL&myschool[]=none&outputby=table)


Forbes has it ranked 26th (http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/06/best-public-colleges-opinions-colleges-09-top.html)

Doesn't look like its number 1 on Princeton Review either (http://www.princetonreview.com/UniversityofMichiganAnnArbor.aspx)

[underdog]

i thought that michigan was the #1 public university was common knowledge,at least i thought that people that posted on the same board with me had to be cool and knowledgeable,my bad

No. 1 according to whom?

In US News and World Report's rankings, its 4th, behind Berkeley, UCLA, and Virginia. (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-top-public)


According to Kiplinger, its 28th (http://www.kiplinger.com/tools/colleges/pubcollege.php?sortby=INRANK04&orderby=flip&states[]=ALL&myschool[]=none&outputby=table)

Forbes has it ranked 26th (http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/06/best-public-colleges-opinions-colleges-09-top.html)

Doesn't look like its number 1 on Princeton Review either (http://www.princetonreview.com/UniversityofMichiganAnnArbor.aspx)

Face.

[SP1!]

Face.

Yeah and for just football its not #1 (http://www.fanblogs.com/ncaa/005403.php) either and I think they have fallen even farther since that study was taken, I know that UGA was in the first wave of schools to bring in $45 million from their football team.

And overall UGA profits the most from their program usually, its been 1, 2, or 3 for like 6 years now, most UGA fans buy anything with a UGA logo on it, sometimes they make me sick. I dont buy most of it, maybe a shirt and a hate but most of the crap just sucks.

[El Mudo]

Yeah and for just football its not #1 (http://www.fanblogs.com/ncaa/005403.php) either and I think they have fallen even farther since that study was taken, I know that UGA was in the first wave of schools to bring in $45 million from their football team.

And overall UGA profits the most from their program usually, its been 1, 2, or 3 for like 6 years now, most UGA fans buy anything with a UGA logo on it, sometimes they make me sick. I dont buy most of it, maybe a shirt and a hate but most of the crap just sucks.

6 of the 10 schools on that list are SEC schools.....good heavens...

[underdog]

Here's a list from 2006 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2285986) of the wealthiest boosters in America.

The word "michigan" isn't even mentioned in the article.

[El Mudo]

Here's a list from 2006 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2285986) of the wealthiest boosters in America.

The word "michigan" isn't even mentioned in the article.

I know without even looking on that list that T.Boone Pickens has to be close to 1.

[El Mudo]

Still the best booster:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/images/2008/01/27/buddy_garrity300.jpg

[SP1!]

6 of the 10 schools on that list are SEC schools.....good heavens...
Yeah they are a little fanatical about college ball down here, its why most pro teams dont sell well unless they are winning, but if their college team is even shitty, they will still go see them play

Here's a list from 2006 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2285986) of the wealthiest boosters in America.

The word "michigan" isn't even mentioned in the article.
Ouch, thats like the 3rd DS got smacked..........Im sorry for causing it, I didnt mean too........

[JimBeam]

Internal review of Mangino under way

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4664164

Looks like somebody might be taking their fat agression out on their players.

[underdog]

Internal review of Mangino under way

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4664164

Looks like somebody might be taking their fat agression out on their players.

http://deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/12/manginoorange.jpg

[SP1!]

Internal review of Mangino under way

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4664164

Looks like somebody might be taking their fat agression out on their players.

That sounds like nothing, I dont know of very many coaches that didnt grab or yank a player to where they needed to be, but most of the time the players deserved it.

[El Mudo]

http://deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/12/manginoorange.jpg

Baby Mangino FTW

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2008/11/20081105babymangino2.jpg

[JimBeam]

That sounds like nothing, I dont know of very many coaches that didnt grab or yank a player to where they needed to be, but most of the time the players deserved it.

I agree but there seems to be a patern and if the parents are involved it could cause trouble for him especially with the program struggling now.

[El Mudo]

Uga VII has passed away suddenly at the age of 4 from heart disease. (http://www.ajc.com/sports/university-of-ga-bulldog-205802.html?cxntlid=daylf_artr)


Poor little guy...RIP

http://www.ajc.com/multimedia/dynamic/00311/uga_1115_bs2_311621c.jpg

http://www.ajc.com/multimedia/dynamic/00311/gafoot_0831_CC31_311397c.jpg

Shortest reign of any Uga ever.

[Ritalin]

Like a candle in the wind.....

[SP1!]

I agree but there seems to be a patern and if the parents are involved it could cause trouble for him especially with the program struggling now.

What I find amazing is that as long as you are winning they will put up with anything but lose a few and you are a bum, geez Woody Hayes was a legendary coach but he got fired for pretty much nothing and the only reason why it was easy for them to fire him was because he had lost to michigan 3 years running.

Parents suck and they should all shut the fuck up since most of them ruin their kids lives to an extent.

[KnoxHarrington]

Yeah, way to show your pride and determination to salvage something from this season, Michigan.

[Snoogans]

seriously. Forcier is a fuckin bum.

Clearly Tom Savage is the best Freshman QB

[disneyspy]

you guys are savages

[disneyspy]

who the fuck goes thru life not tying their shoes?

[KnoxHarrington]

Fourcier alternates between really impressive, sharp looking passes and some of the worst garbage throws I've ever seen. There's no in-between.

[disneyspy]

Fourcier alternates between really impressive, sharp looking passes and some of the worst garbage throws I've ever seen. There's no in-between.

poor kid has alot of pressure on him,no running game and a horrible young gimmick defense,he tries to force alot of throws

[Snoogans]

poor kid has alot of pressure on him,no running game and a horrible young gimmick defense,he tries to force alot of throws

maybe he just sucks

[disneyspy]

maybe he just sucks

i dont think so,ive watched him all season and hes a gunslinger and had a good attitude at the start of the season but hes had to carry the team and the defense is fucking horrible

[Snoogans]

i dont think so,ive watched him all season and hes a gunslinger and had a good attitude at the start of the season but hes had to carry the team and the defense is fucking horrible

anytime someone says gunslinger, I no longer pay attention to anything after that word.

How bout he be a quarterback

[EliSnow]

I know you wanted an update on this, so here you go:

Yale 10, Harvard 0

[Snoogans]

nice tackling michigan


and go Yale. Fuck Harvard

[Snoogans]

forcier sucks balls

[EliSnow]

Yale loses. They were up 10-7 with 2:30 left, had a fourth and 22 on their own 25 yard line and did a fake punt. they almost got it bit were 5 yards short.

Dumb.

[Snoogans]

Yale loses. They were up 10-7 with 2:30 left, had a fourth and 22 on their own 25 yard line and did a fake punt. they almost got it bit were 5 yards short.

Dumb.

what the fuck is wrong with coaches? This is IVY league too. Jesus

[EliSnow]

what the fuck is wrong with coaches? This is IVY league too. Jesus

Well, the coach is a Stamford grad, so ....

I really don't know what he was thinking. The Yale punter averages 51 yards a punt so he could have kicked it far into Harvard territory, plus they had no timeouts left.

Harvard had the better offense overall and were playing better in the 4th quarter than the rest of the game.

Still, bad choice. And he's a rookie coach so I'm not sure what happens for him afterwards.

[KnoxHarrington]

Well, that should be it for Charlie Weis.

[TheGameHHH]

Well, that should be it for Charlie Weis.

god i hope so. i might actually enjoy watching ND football again. hes got the worst coaching percentage since 1975

[joeyballsack]

Wow Snoogans, losing 34-13 to 'Cuse ?

That's terrible.

[TheGameHHH]

Wow Snoogans, losing 34-13 to 'Cuse ?

That's terrible.

Snoogans played Syracuse today? i didnt even know he played.

[ozzie]

Well, that should be it for Charlie Weis.

How many times is ND going to repeat the same process?

If they can him, the returning starters show that the incoming coach will have a good first year, and might bring some new energy to that recruiting class.

Then they'll lose a lot of upperclassmen, and be in a "re-building period", but based on the new coach's first year success, he'll get a pass...

...which will last about as long as it did for Weis... then what, fire him again before his best classes become Juniors and Seniors?

Wash... rinse... repeat....

[ozzie]

Wow Snoogans, losing 34-13 to 'Cuse ?

That's terrible.

Damn shame. Rutgers was on the verge of being ranked by this time on Sunday with a win today, and if they could have ended with wins over Loo'vull and WVU, would have been in the running for a NYD bowl game.

[ozzie]

Wow!

Les Miles wins the Dumbass Coach of the Year award for the ending of the LSU / Ole Miss game.

Down by two... 4th and 26 around the 50... no timeouts left... 0:09 left... hail mary type pass complete... first down... one second left... college rules, clock stops while they move the chains... time to run down and get a snap off...

Do you run the FG team on the field?

Run the Offense down, line up, run one last desperate, probably improvised play and try for a TD?

Nope.

Get the snap off... spike it... game over.

Way to go Leslie. :clap:

[ozzie]

I don't know why this amuses me so much, but I can't stop laughing!

I guess because two years ago, AU was up by one at the end of the game... LSU had the ball with under 30 seconds left deep in AU territory... they complete a short pass, clock is running... only second down, time to spike it and stop the clock and at least run one more play on third down, and still have time to try a FB if that doesn't work (can't remember if they had Timeouts left or not)... they don't...

...they line up casually... clock down to under 10 seconds... snap the ball, heave to the endzone... clock runs out... complete for a touchdown. Game over.

They miss it, they lose. Lucky fucking Les.

Guess what... your luck just ran out. You look like a fucking retard now.

Enjoy!

[JimBeam]

I don't know why this amuses me so much, but I can't stop laughing!

I guess because two years ago, AU was up by one at the end of the game... LSU had the ball with under 30 seconds left deep in AU territory... they complete a short pass, clock is running... only second down, time to spike it and stop the clock and at least run one more play on third down, and still have time to try a FB if that doesn't work (can't remember if they had Timeouts left or not)... they don't...

...they line up casually... clock down to under 10 seconds... snap the ball, heave to the endzone... clock runs out... complete for a touchdown. Game over.

They miss it, they lose. Lucky fucking Les.

Guess what... your luck just ran out. You look like a fucking retard now.

Enjoy!

I think that was the year they won the championship.

People acted like that was a great play because it worked but in fact it was a horrible coaching call.

[JimBeam]

How many times is ND going to repeat the same process?

If they can him, the returning starters show that the incoming coach will have a good first year, and might bring some new energy to that recruiting class.

Then they'll lose a lot of upperclassmen, and be in a "re-building period", but based on the new coach's first year success, he'll get a pass...

...which will last about as long as it did for Weis... then what, fire him again before his best classes become Juniors and Seniors?

Wash... rinse... repeat....

If that's what it takes to bring winning back.

Your suggestion is that they keep him and hope things get better ?

I'm rooting for UF to win the Nat'l Championship and then hoping Meyer will bail and go to ND.

I know it's a long shot but a guy can hope.

I really, really, really do not want Brian Kelly.

[JimBeam]

Yale loses. They were up 10-7 with 2:30 left, had a fourth and 22 on their own 25 yard line and did a fake punt. they almost got it bit were 5 yards short.

Dumb.

That makes Les Miles play calling seem down right Bill Walsh like.

Why would you try a fake punt on your own 25 ?

That's a ridiculous video game play.

[ozzie]

Yep. And probably even worse play calling and clock management today.

They were on the 32... within a long FG range with first down, and around a minute left.

First down... pass incomplete.

Second down, try to pass again... Jefferson is sacked. Would be a helluva long FG attempt now, but still around 40 seconds or so... finally take a timeout with 32 ticks left.

Third down... screen pass deep behind the line of scrimmage... loss of another 7 yards back to the 48... they dick around and don't call timeout until there were only 9 seconds left. 17 seconds ran off before they finally called it.

Same as AU in 2007... put all their hopes on a last play heave to the endzone... guess it never occurred to them that they could make a first down.

Just fucking horrible.

I feel bad for my LSU fan friends... but they were overdue for a loss against someone besides Florida and Bama. No way were they the #8 team in the country.

[JimBeam]

No way were they the #8 team in the country.

I started to look @ Pitts scheduke to see if they deserved to be ranked ahead of LSU and the games against Youngstown St and Buffalo were hurting their case.

Still they only had the 1 loss to LSU's 2.

As I've pointed out previously sure LSU's losses, prior to today, were to the top 2 teams in the country but they also hadn't beaten anybody of substance.

I've told all of my LSU friends for years that Miles wasn't a good coach but they kept taking solace in his championship ( which you could say belonged to Saban ).

Some even gloated that he got to 50 wins or so at LSU quicker than Saban.

I explained to them that Saban rebuilt a program and won a championship with it.

Miles took over a team that had won a championshio 2 years prior so it would only be easier for him to get to 50 wins sooner.

[ozzie]

If that's what it takes to bring winning back.

Your suggestion is that they keep him and hope things get better ?

I'm rooting for UF to win the Nat'l Championship and then hoping Meyer will bail and go to ND.

I know it's a long shot but a guy can hope.

I really, really, really do not want Brian Kelly.

No, not at all.

But all the pieces are in place for the pattern to repeat.

Davie goes to bowl games in his first two years, a couple of good recruiting classes... but, bad third and fifth years... fired.

Next year, Willingham takes those upperclassmen, goes 10 - 2, back to a bowl game. Two bad years... gone.

Weis, two BCS bowl games with Willingham's guys... 3 bad years... fired?

I'm just saying, if all their returning starters come back, the new coach will show immediate automatic improvement again... then they'll lose a ton of talent, and chances are, he and the program will be criticized in years 2 and 3.

Unless it's a big, proven winning coach... I don't see ND having the patience to stand for any "rebuilding" without consistent wins, and "showing improvement", aka "more wins" each and every year... but he may not have the horses to do it after the first year.

It could be a pattern that continues to repeat.

It's going to look like a very attractive job if Clausen and co. all return... but be wary of what you'll have to work with after that, and what the expectations will be.

Could make it difficult to attract who you want.

[JimBeam]

I think by now ND realizes that this isn't the 80's any longer and that recruits don't just flocl to them.

Even the big state schools lose players to the samller schools.

I think ND and it's fans would be content w/ at the very least 10-2 teams if they were being competetive and not losing to teams like Navy and UConn.

So all we need the next coach to do is come in, recruit well, coach BOTH sides of the ball well and wins games.

What kills me about Weis is he's supposed to be this amazing offensive play caller yet w/ having one of the better QB & WR combos in the country he can't manage to get a 1st down on 3rd & 4 against a team w/ less size than his team.

Some of that's on Clausen as he made some less than perfect passes in OT but all season it's been this way.

Just think how bad things could've been if they had gotten all of those late wins early ( that's an awkward way to say that ).

[Jughead]

I work in Lafayette ..But hate the boilers damn Bucket goes back to them!!!!!!!!!!!!:-(

[SP1!]

If that's what it takes to bring winning back.

Your suggestion is that they keep him and hope things get better ?

I'm rooting for UF to win the Nat'l Championship and then hoping Meyer will bail and go to ND.

I know it's a long shot but a guy can hope.

I really, really, really do not want Brian Kelly.

I hope UF loses just so meyer stays, their players after all these seniors leave are shit and they will be sitting ducks for the next 2 or 3 years

[JimBeam]

Well he bolstered the program from what it was so don't act like the cupboard's gonna be completely bare.

I'm sure he's got plenty of bluechip talent there.

You're hoping that's what's gonna make UGA better than UF ?

[JimBeam]

Just heard that Weis, Clausen and company set a ND record for most losses ( 19 ) in a 3 year timeframe.

So at least they have that going for them.

[SP1!]

Well he bolstered the program from what it was so don't act like the cupboard's gonna be completely bare.

I'm sure he's got plenty of bluechip talent there.

You're hoping that's what's gonna make UGA better than UF ?

Talent is one thing but they are not the same team they were last year and it shows, I think they will get beat if they play texas in the NC game, but I also dont think they will make it that far because bama will beat them in the SEC championship game and I will be a huge texas fan if that happens. But then I hate both teams.

Whats gonna make UGA better is them firing Willie Martinez

[ozzie]

Well he bolstered the program from what it was so don't act like the cupboard's gonna be completely bare.

I'm sure he's got plenty of bluechip talent there.

You're hoping that's what's gonna make UGA better than UF ?

Well, just like giving Saban partial credit for Miles MNC... you gotta give Ron Zook a little cred for the recruiting he did before Meyers took over and won his own MNC in his second year. That cupboard wasn't exactly bare either.

Zook has been bringing in some top classes into Illinois too. So (Assuming he's fired after this shit year, or the next), whoever takes over at U of I will have a lot to work with as well.

The "Tebow class" of 2006 at UF was awesome. Some were redshirted, so there will be a few of them as Seniors next year, but it will be somewhat of a drop off.

[epo]

Just heard that Weis, Clausen and company set a ND record for most losses ( 19 ) in a 3 year timeframe.

So at least they have that going for them.

I hope Charlie keeps that job forever.

[JimBeam]

That's why I chose the word " bolstered " instead of " built ".

If Meyer stays at UF he'll have no problem out recruiting the other state schools and other SEC schools at least until the cycle turns as it always does nowadays w/ any great teams.

SP, you keep comparing UF's team to last year like they have to be as good as that team to win a title.

They don't they just have to be better than FSU, Alabama and Pitt ( yeah I'm hoping Texas yacks it against either A&M or in the Big 12 title game and guessing that Pitt beats Cincy and possibly ends up ahead of TCU and Boise St ).

What makes you think Alabama will win ?

Let's say the defenses are the same, although I'd give the edge to UF, I'd trust a senior, 3 year starter like Tebow in a big game than a junior QB who's a 1st year starter.

[ozzie]

What makes you think Alabama will win ?

Let's say the defenses are the same, although I'd give the edge to UF, I'd trust a senior, 3 year starter like Tebow in a big game than a junior QB who's a 1st year starter.

Gotta agree. McElroy hasn't had to beat anyone yet. LSU was probably the toughest defense they've faced all year... and they're nowhere near as good as Florida.

Take away the 73 yard "RUN" off a screen to Julio... and for the most part, McElroy and the passing game did squat against LSU. 3 points in the first half.

And don't forget how they fared against UT... the next best D they probably faced... which isn't saying much. They're not going to beat the gaytors with field goals like they did Tennessee. One less blocked field goal, and we're not even talking about Bama right now.

I wish like hell that AU was 100% healthy on D... but it's looking like they're going in with 3 active scholarship linebackers... so it doesn't look good for them to stop Ingram. It'll likely be another game McElroy won't be called on to have to win with his arm.

[JimBeam]

I didn't even really want to get into the schedules because UF hasn't exactly run a guantlet either but they did play thier tougher challenges on the road ( LSU, Miss St & South Carolina ) where Alabama had theirs ( South Carolina, Tenn & LSU ) at home.

I'd say both games at neutral sites ( UF/UGA and Alabama/Va Tech ) are a wash.

[FrogSlayer]

the fuckin bulldogs are killin me

[SP1!]

That's why I chose the word " bolstered " instead of " built ".

If Meyer stays at UF he'll have no problem out recruiting the other state schools and other SEC schools at least until the cycle turns as it always does nowadays w/ any great teams.

SP, you keep comparing UF's team to last year like they have to be as good as that team to win a title.

They don't they just have to be better than FSU, Alabama and Pitt ( yeah I'm hoping Texas yacks it against either A&M or in the Big 12 title game and guessing that Pitt beats Cincy and possibly ends up ahead of TCU and Boise St ).

What makes you think Alabama will win ?

Let's say the defenses are the same, although I'd give the edge to UF, I'd trust a senior, 3 year starter like Tebow in a big game than a junior QB who's a 1st year starter.

Bama will win because they have a better defense, florida has not looked good in a few games this year so it wouldnt be a big shock.

And meyer may move because even he knows there is no where to go but down, especially if the win another NC.

[Snoogans]

im too sad to laugh at ND, Rutgers are fuckin BUMS

[SP1!]

Gotta agree. McElroy hasn't had to beat anyone yet. LSU was probably the toughest defense they've faced all year... and they're nowhere near as good as Florida.

Take away the 73 yard "RUN" off a screen to Julio... and for the most part, McElroy and the passing game did squat against LSU. 3 points in the first half.

And don't forget how they fared against UT... the next best D they probably faced... which isn't saying much. They're not going to beat the gaytors with field goals like they did Tennessee. One less blocked field goal, and we're not even talking about Bama right now.

I wish like hell that AU was 100% healthy on D... but it's looking like they're going in with 3 active scholarship linebackers... so it doesn't look good for them to stop Ingram. It'll likely be another game McElroy won't be called on to have to win with his arm.

So who has florida played? LSU was also their toughest game so that point is out.

Florida didnt play UT very much better, so whats your point? The best thing UT has is their defense so lets not act like thats a shock. I know both of you hate bama but they may just end up being sec champs, it doesnt matter to me I hate them both equally.

[JimBeam]

I far from dislike Alabama. I've rooted for them in most of their big games.

Read my post comparing the schedules of UF and Alabama.

florida has not looked good in a few games this year so it wouldnt be a big shock

And Alabama has ?

Needing a blocked FG to beat Tenn ?

And meyer may move because even he knows there is no where to go but down, especially if the win another NC.

Dude you talk in absolutes like you know the future.

I'm sure some people said UF was gonna go down when a senior QB like Leak was done and they tunred the team over to an unseasoned sophmore QB.

By the way how'd that turn out ?

Also how many programs lose their great starting QBs and then come back the following year and pick up where they left off ?

I think USC did it w/ 3 straight QBs.

Florida itself did it a few times under Spurrier.

FSU ?

And again even if your assumption is true, which I don't believe it is, the margin of difference between the 2 defenses would be neglible while the differences in QB are enormous.

[KnoxHarrington]

UK is about to defeat Georgia in Athens.

As a life-long Kentuckian, I am just utterly stunned.

[SP1!]

UK is about to defeat Georgia in Athens.

As a life-long Kentuckian, I am just utterly stunned.

Dont be, UGA's coaches suck ass, I am just about done with this team and their bullshit. They had the game in hand then the QB throws 3 INTs and hes still out there to throw the 4th to make sure we dont have a shot at winning.

Fuck willie
Fuck richt
Fuck cox

[JimBeam]

SP I went and looked at the numbers for UF and Alabama as far as common opponents and based on them there's no way to say that Alabama's better defensively.

They've played 6 common opponents with Alabama playing 4 at home and 2 on the road and UF playing 2 at home and 4 on the road.

With regards to scoring defense Alabama has the edge having given up only 61 points for a 10.2 PPG avg while UF gave up 76 points for a 12.7 PPG avg.

Alabama forced 12 turnovers in these games and UF only came up with 11.

Where UF had the edge was in Total Yards Allowed.

They gave up 1,392 yards for an average of 232 per game and Alabama gave up 1,640 yards with an average of 273 per game.

The most UF gave up was 357 and Alabama gave up 341.

The fewest UF gave up was 162 with Alabama's lowest being 213.

In fact UF held opponents to 210 or less in 3 games and Alabama never kept an opponent below 213.

Now depending on what you consider to be a bigger indicator of a defense's prowess it looks like it's very close in total.

But again with UF playing 4 of the games on the road I think that gives them the edge.

[SP1!]

From the games I have watched then bama beats UF, 24-14.

Florida does not look like the team they were this year, do they look good in a sub par year of college ball? Yes, will they win another NC? It seems unlikely, still it doesnt matter since it looks like this is texas's year for a NC.

[SP1!]

And since you dispute my foresight and how I make my picks, I give you this gem:
And being cinncy, WV, pitt and USF play AT rutgers, no, they shouldnt lose 3 conf games

And you can still rest assured, they will lose at minimum 3 conference games and no one will ever speak of RU again.

They are at 3 will most likely end up with 4 conference losses.

I wish my team played in the big east............who am I kidding, with our shit coaches we would still be .500......


God I hate willie so much.

[Snoogans]

And since you dispute my foresight and how I make my picks, I give you this gem:




They are well on their way towards that and will most likely end up with 4 conference losses.

I wish my team played in the big east............who am I kidding, with our shit coaches we would still be .500......


God I hate willie so much.

you will hear of them again, so lets relax. And they shouldnt have lost to Syracuse

[JimBeam]

From the games I have watched then bama beats UF, 24-14.

Did you watch any of the 6 games they played against common opponents ?

The way they won against Tenn leads you to believe they are supperior to UF ?

Based on what ?

Listen it's one thing to have your opinion but another to act like your opinion is fact in spite of the numbers.

What makes you think Alabama would manage 24 points against UF when they haven't given up that many to a team this year ?

Your dislike for Tebow and the UF prgram won't give Alabama points, they'd have to score them.

And since you dispute my foresight and how I make my picks, I give you this gem:


Predicting 4 losses for a Big East team is a gem ?

Wait so you show me that you once claimed something about an unranked team and it came true and that makes you credible on all predictions ?

Surely you've guessed wrong at least once. Care to post any of those for us ?

I won't go back now and see what you predicted for UF in all of their games this year so I'll take you on the honor system.

Hey earlier this year I told somebody that Washington wouldn't win the PAC10 despite ditching Willingham.

I also said Army wouldn't go to a BCS game.

You know what I was right so that means I'm right that UF is better than Alabama.

See how there's a bit of a flaw in that logic ?

[SP1!]

No, I thought UF had a good chance to breeze through their schedule, its shit and not worthy of a NC anymore than the so-called lower teams, IMO. At the end of the year they will have played one ranked team and it wasnt even a good ranked team since they needed the refs to over come a couple of losses.

And yes I did watch them against UT, they got their confidence against UF even though they lost, it was a lot closer than anyone thought it would be then of course UGA had to come in there and turn crompton into a heisman contender so bama ran into a team that was on a roll.

The reason why I think they will give up 24 is they havent faced anyone that can run the ball like bama with ingram and that is their weak point this year, once they start gearing up for the run it frees up passing. It will be a really tough game but I still think bama wins, and if I go with my guy rather than emotions I am usually right, I knew UF was gonna win last year even though I couldnt pick them in the weekly picks. I also knew UGA was in trouble against bama last year even though I couldnt face it until gameday.

The difference between what you said and what I said is that I have visual proof! :tongue:

Emotions ruin you when it comes to picking, its why I usually stay out of SEC picks if UGA is involved, but I hate both these teams so Hate 2 is going to beat Hate 1 IMO.

And you need to relax more, try xanax. Everything on the internet is opinion.

Pfffft snoogans, Schiano will be wishing he had taken the money and ran after next season!!!!

[JimBeam]

I'm totally relaxed.

I'm a Notre Dame fan so it's not like I have a vested interest in the UF/Alabama outcome other than to hope for the best game and to hope whichever one comes out from that beats whoever they play.

I like to look at things as best I can with objectivity and I think at times you let your dislike for a coach/player/team cloud your opinion.

I get caught up in it sometimes too w/ LSU.

I went to LSU but I despise thier football program.

I'll always get into fights w/ my friends from there about the team and I take so much joy in them losing.

One of them was all excited earlier in the season that Les Miles had gotten to let's say I think 48 wins w/ LSU quicker than Nick Saban.

Well w/ today's loss I pointed out to him that Miles also got to 13 losses in the SEC quicker than Saban ( actually Saban only lost 12 ).

Miles has lost 13 conference games out of 39 and Saban lost 12 out of 40.

[Snoogans]

Pfffft snoogans, Schiano will be wishing he had taken the money and ran after next season!!!!

all fandom aside, I genuinely disagree, only because alot of the offense is young and will be better and a good part of the D is coming back. I think they will be ok. Im not gonna act like they are winning any big east championship next year but I dont think this is the end of anything. its still a 5th straight bowl for a program thats been around since 1869 and now has 6 total bowls including these 5.

[JimBeam]

I just saw the highlights from the Mich/Ohio St game and Forcier threw some really bad INTs.

There's one thing to throw one when you're trying to make something happen and you try and force it into a tight space but another to throw it right into the waiting arms of a defender in the flat 5+ yards in front of the intended WR.

[Snoogans]

I just saw the highlights from the Mich/Ohio St game and Forcier threw some really bad INTs.

There's one thing to throw one when you're trying to make something happen and you try and force it into a tight space but another to throw it right into the waiting arms of a defender in the flat 5+ yards in front of the intended WR.

yea i laugh when I see that clip. I guess thats just the gunslinging Disney was talkin about

[disneyspy]

yea i laugh when I see that clip. I guess thats just the gunslinging Disney was talkin about

you bastard!

[JimBeam]

It was more like a pee shooter.

[JimBeam]

Looks like Les Miles is trying to deflect blame for calling the spike to end the game "

Miles called for a spike -- making absolutely no sense because a spike would run the game clock out.

So that is what Jefferson did, and the game ended. LSU loses 25-23.

Afterward, Miles said he had no idea who told Jefferson to spike it. But this video clearly shows Miles is the one who made the call.

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[Snoogans]

Looks like Les Miles is trying to deflect blame for calling the spike to end the game "



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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Mitch&Murray]

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[Tenbatsuzen]

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I still have yet to see what's so great about this play. It goes against every single fundamental principle of passing, plus the receiver barely catches it in the endzone.

[SP1!]

I like to look at things as best I can with objectivity and I think at times you let your dislike for a coach/player/team cloud your opinion.
Well this time it doesnt matter my hatred is equal with both, and I think bama may be a little above because I know bama fans that just piss me off all the time, it kills me to think they will have an SEC championship again. I think LSU is a close 3rd in my hatred of teams, maybe 4th behind UT.

all fandom aside, I genuinely disagree, only because alot of the offense is young and will be better and a good part of the D is coming back. I think they will be ok. Im not gonna act like they are winning any big east championship next year but I dont think this is the end of anything. its still a 5th straight bowl for a program thats been around since 1869 and now has 6 total bowls including these 5.
Im just busting your balls, hes probably not going anywhere for a while and from their history a consistent 7-8 wins in a vast improvement over the past 30 years up there, but down here we are pissed with 6 wins especially after the past couple of years where we were supposed to contend for a NC.

And that video of miles getting caught lying is classic, that could be a huge problem for him in recruiting selling out other players/coaches like that.

[SP1!]

And this is the greatest trick play of all time, sometimes call the "Wrong Ball" play
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[JimBeam]

And this is the greatest trick play of all time, sometimes call the "Wrong Ball" play
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That play is awful.

I think it's also a little off base in a kids pee wee game.

While it's probably legal it's far from being classy or sportsman-like.

[Snoogans]

my favorite trick play is the bounce the lateral screen and make the D think its incomplete. then throw deep

[JimBeam]

That's gotta take some great execution though.

A lot of times defenders go after balls that are actually incomplete as opposed to fumbles so if you get an over agressive player they might snuff that unintentionally.

Any vids of it working ?

I'd like to see how it looks.

[JimBeam]

Meyer says coaching Irish not in cards

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4682614

Doh !!

[ozzie]

That's gotta take some great execution though.

A lot of times defenders go after balls that are actually incomplete as opposed to fumbles so if you get an over agressive player they might snuff that unintentionally.

Any vids of it working ?

I'd like to see how it looks.

We ran it in practice once when I was a Freshman... never tried it in a game.

I had seen Texas run it in a game the previous weekend and was trying to explain to the coaches how it would work.

Their fear was that the line judge (especially the caliber of "volunteer" refs that did our Saturday games) wouldn't be able to tell if the slot receiver was further back than I was if it was just a yard or so, and might just rule it incomplete if he wasn't sure... and if we made it too obvious (if he went too deep), it wouldn't fool the defense, and they'd be all over it.

Texas also played on that old 80's hard ass astroturf, so they got a predictable bounce. Some of the fields we played on looked like goat pastures, so they were afraid the slot might not field the bounce cleanly.

It might be out there on youtube... the time I saw Texas run it was around 1982 or so. If I remember right... it was during the OU/Texas game that year.

I'd try to help ya, but I can't get on youtube at work.

[Snoogans]

That's gotta take some great execution though.

A lot of times defenders go after balls that are actually incomplete as opposed to fumbles so if you get an over agressive player they might snuff that unintentionally.

Any vids of it working ?

I'd like to see how it looks.

im guessing this was to me

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[ozzie]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4682614

Doh !!

Yeah... you better make sure that you can get who you want before you make a change. Especially with what it will cost to buy out Weis and all his assistants.

[Snoogans]

Yeah... you better make sure that you can get who you want before you make a change. Especially with what it will cost to buy out Weis and all his assistants.

they will end up with Brian Kelly.

Meyer would never go to ND cause he wont be able to get dumb kids in

[JimBeam]

im guessing this was to me

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Snoogans, thanks for posting.

That was pretty cool but nothing you could run twice in the same season if your game tape was being reviewed.

[KnoxHarrington]

they will end up with Brian Kelly.

Meyer would never go to ND cause he wont be able to get dumb kids in

At this point, Florida is a far better job than Notre Dame will ever be again. Except for an occasional retooling year, Florida has a shot at the national title every year. Even as rigged as this bullshit BCS system is for Notre Dame, I can't see that ever happening for them again.

Plus, Florida can pay every bit as much -- if not more -- as Notre Dame, and if Meyer wins another national title this year, he'll be a god to those hayseeds for years to come.

[JimBeam]

they will end up with Brian Kelly.

Meyer would never go to ND cause he wont be able to get dumb kids in

Yeah I knew it'd be a long shot to get him but I'm gonna keep hoping until he's either officially turned down the $10 million a year or somebody else has already taken the job.

As I've mentioned many times I don't want Kelly because I'm not sure he's the difference maker.

Why would he be any better than Weis other than that he's got more head coaching experience ?

I'm not overly impressed with his record at Cincinnati to give him this high profile of a job.

But w/ Meyer and Gruden out of the picture and Shanahan probably wanting to get back to the NFL I'm not sure who else they could get.

I might actually rather have Weis back as crazy as that sounds.

Maybe LSU will give us permission to talk to Les Miles.

[ozzie]

At this point, Florida is a far better job than Notre Dame will ever be again. Except for an occasional retooling year, Florida has a shot at the national title every year. Even as rigged as this bullshit BCS system is for Notre Dame, I can't see that ever happening for them again.

Plus, Florida can pay every bit as much -- if not more -- as Notre Dame, and if Meyer wins another national title this year, he'll be a god to those hayseeds for years to come.

Yup. The ND job just isn't as attractive as some of the old school ND fans like to think it is.

Bama went through the same thing when they got rid of Mike Shula. They had to live through the embarrassment of having head coaches making public statements that they weren't interested in the job, like Meyer just did, and even having Saban publicly saying that he wouldn't take the job all through December (until the Dolphins season was over).

I'm sure ND doesn't want to keep having head coaches of other schools making public statements saying that they aren't interested in taking the job (whether they are or not), every time their name gets rumored as a candidate. It doesn't look good for the program.

If they're looking for someone with HC experience, they're going to have to do what Florida did, and look for the next up-and-coming coach from a lesser conference.

I'm surprised that Chris Petersen isn't being mentioned more.

Either way, they need to have someone lined up to be named immediately very soon after they announce his firing. Otherwise, it'll be a circus.

[ozzie]

Maybe LSU will give us permission to talk to Les Miles.

Ahahaha!!!

I finally got to talk to my LSU buddy this morning, and before I could say anything, the first thing he said was; "I wonder if Michigan is still interested in Miles. They can have that sumbitch!"

I've heard that some of the LSU fans are trying to organize a boycott of this Saturday's game against Arkansas to show their disapproval with Miles.

[JimBeam]

Plus, Florida can pay every bit as much -- if not more ...

This is just not true.

I don't have the number in front of me and I'm not even sure how to research it but a few articles I read last week mentioned some obsene amount of money that ND has in their coffers so buying Weis out and paying another coach good money isn't even an issue.

Florida has a shot at the national title every year.

While it's true that UF has a better shot at getting the prime recruits over ND because they don't have to address the academic qualifications to say that the current " Big Dog " team has a shot at winning every year is silly because if that was the case we'd still be talking about Miami and FSU who ruled the state/NCAA in the 80's and 90's.

The ND job just isn't as attractive as some of the old school ND fans like to think it is.

Again there's some truth to this but ND also hasn't become the Northwestern of college football.

ND will always have on its side not only the tradiation, which does bring in recruits, and then TV contract, which also helps, but it has an academic reputation that attracts many good college players that won't go to the NFL.

UF would kill ND with rcruiting in the state of Florida, as many of the other bigger programs would win their state's prime recruits over ND, but ND has a better shot at nabbing good recruits from other states that may not want to play in their home state.

What made ND great in the past was that they were getting Mr Ohio HS star, Mr Pennsylvania HS, etc ...

They just need to find a way to get that back.

With parity becoming more obvious it could help ND as much as it helps the small schools because a kid might not want to go to UF and wait until he's a junior to start when he could go to Notre Dame and start as well as be on TV and get a degree from a good school.

All big programs go through a bit of a rough patch ( USC in the early to mid 90's as one example of how to turn things around ).

They just need to get the right coach.

As far as Weis' buyout goes every time I hear the number it gets larger.

I heard Lupica say yesterday that it's between $12-16 million.

He went on to rail White, the former AD that gave Weis the extension, and said that he was surprised that he ever got another job ( now at Duke ).

1st time in a long time I've ever agreed w/ Lupica.

[ozzie]

Again there's some truth to this but ND also hasn't become the Northwestern of college football.

What I meant was that, YES, the ND job is a VERY high profile position... but also, because of that, the job comes with VERY high expectations... and the University is not showing a track record of being patient.

Bama went through the same thing. After Stallings "resigned", he left them in bad shape. Mike Dubose came in, won the SEC in his third year... then went 3 - 8 and was fired... then were slapped in the face when Franchione left them for A&M... then had their own "O'leary" type of situation when Mike Price was fired before every coaching a game... then fired Mike Shula, even though most of the time he wasn't working with a full compliment of scholarships. He went 10 - 2 his third year... then slipped to 6 - 7, and was fired.

Like ND, they demanded excellence, and wouldn't allow them to use "probation" or "scholarship limitations" as an excuse, and were demonstrating that one bad season could cost you your job. A lot of rumored HC candidates (Rodriguez, Spurrier, etc.) were not interested in taking any amount of money to take the Bama job at that time.

They finally ponied up the dough to make Saban an offer he couldn't refuse... and it just worked out that he was available at the right time.

It's obvious that ND expects excellence as well, and will expect the successor to win immediately, and sustain that level of excellence, in spite of any bad recruiting done by Weis, or any admission standards they'll have to work around. And they're not showing that they will be patient either.

That's what makes the position un-attractive right now.

[Snoogans]

At this point, Florida is a far better job than Notre Dame will ever be again. Except for an occasional retooling year, Florida has a shot at the national title every year. Even as rigged as this bullshit BCS system is for Notre Dame, I can't see that ever happening for them again.

Plus, Florida can pay every bit as much -- if not more -- as Notre Dame, and if Meyer wins another national title this year, he'll be a god to those hayseeds for years to come.

right but its because you can get alot dumber kids into florida than you can ND, thereby widening the pool from which to recruit

[Snoogans]

Yeah I knew it'd be a long shot to get him but I'm gonna keep hoping until he's either officially turned down the $10 million a year or somebody else has already taken the job.

As I've mentioned many times I don't want Kelly because I'm not sure he's the difference maker.

Why would he be any better than Weis other than that he's got more head coaching experience ?

I'm not overly impressed with his record at Cincinnati to give him this high profile of a job.

But w/ Meyer and Gruden out of the picture and Shanahan probably wanting to get back to the NFL I'm not sure who else they could get.

I might actually rather have Weis back as crazy as that sounds.

Maybe LSU will give us permission to talk to Les Miles.
You should have watched him at Cincy. You shoulda seen how he managed to coach a team to 10 wins and an orange bowl bid last year having to use 4 different QB's. Brian Kelly is a great coach, period

[JimBeam]

You should have watched him at Cincy. You shoulda seen how he managed to coach a team to 10 wins and an orange bowl bid last year having to use 4 different QB's. Brian Kelly is a great coach, period

Yeah but I'm worried about a Rich Rodriguez kinda thing.

Making a program successful in the Big East and then kinda flopping, although it's still too early, on the more national stage.

I don't want them going through this again 5 years from now if it doesn't work out.

But nothing's definite so I guess we'll see what happens.

[Snoogans]

Yeah but I'm worried about a Rich Rodriguez kinda thing.

Making a program successful in the Big East and then kinda flopping, although it's still too early, on the more national stage.

I don't want them going through this again 5 years from now if it doesn't work out.

But nothing's definite so I guess we'll see what happens.

the difference is Rich Rod had a certain style of offense that was so wrong for where he went. Kelly seems alot more adaptable, as evidenced by how they basically flipped the whole offense for Collaros

[SP1!]

At this point, Florida is a far better job than Notre Dame will ever be again. Except for an occasional retooling year, Florida has a shot at the national title every year. Even as rigged as this bullshit BCS system is for Notre Dame, I can't see that ever happening for them again.

Plus, Florida can pay every bit as much -- if not more -- as Notre Dame, and if Meyer wins another national title this year, he'll be a god to those hayseeds for years to come.

There is a limit to what florida can pay and ND can beat that number easily, his talk really means nothing, plenty of coaches say one thing then do an about face, petrino comes to mind.

Kelly may end up with it but they will gp after meyer hard, I also think that paul johnson may get a call, saban, with his ego may talk to them as well.

[JimBeam]

Of the guys you mention SP I think I'd go w/ Kelly providing Meyer's not an option.

I think Johnson could maybe cause a stir w/ that option offense for a while I think gone are the days where that can win you a championship.

Sure he'd probably have/get better players to execute it with than he has now but in the end I think a top caliber defense shuts it down.

I also think Saban's ego would make him think about it but I'm not sure he'd leave Alabama this soon.

I know he's a disloyal dude but I don't see him leaving to go to ND at this point.

I also don't think ND would trut him.

[JimBeam]

Here's where I read about Notre Dame being able to buyout Weis without blinking :

First of all, remember that money has nothing to do with this. Notre Dame has an endowment over around $7 billion; paying to get rid of Charlie Weis with the potential to make even more money if a new coach can get the program to the BCS, might simply be the right business move.

http://cfn.scout.com/a.z?s=451&p=2&c=557867

I'm not sure where he got that number or if it can be validated but I don't think he'd write if it wasn't based in fact.

So if that's correct I doubt UF could match them if Meyer was open to a bidding war.

I'll tell you one thing, the game may have passed him, but a few years ago I wanted ND to go after Spurrier.

[Mitch&Murray]

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25 Years ago!

[KnoxHarrington]

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25 Years ago!

I'd forgotten that not only was Flutie throwing from way downfield anyway, Miami's defenders had broken through and driven him back another 10-15 yards too.

They had a little thing about this on ESPN yesterday morning, and Flutie said he had no idea just how far away he was, and that he thinks he wouldn't have been able to make that throw if he'd known.

[ozzie]

I had seen Texas run it in a game the previous weekend and was trying to explain to the coaches how it would work.

Found one earlier than that. Stallings is credited with coming up with this one for A&M vs. Texas in 1965.

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Another one... this time from 1982. Al Toon for Wisconsin on the receiving end of the bounce pass against Illinois. Again, seems the announcers are crediting Stallings and Texas A&M for being the first ones to run it on Thanksgiving Day against Texas in '65.

(The rest of the clip is Eason and the Illini coming back down to win the game)

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[El Mudo]

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25 Years ago!


Did anyone shit the bed worse than that Miami team? Two weeks before Flutie, they blew a 31-0 halftime lead to Maryland (at home) and Frank Reich (was the biggest NCAA comeback ever for like 20 years)

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[SP1!]

Here's where I read about Notre Dame being able to buyout Weis without blinking :



http://cfn.scout.com/a.z?s=451&p=2&c=557867

I'm not sure where he got that number or if it can be validated but I don't think he'd write if it wasn't based in fact.

So if that's correct I doubt UF could match them if Meyer was open to a bidding war.

I'll tell you one thing, the game may have passed him, but a few years ago I wanted ND to go after Spurrier.
Yeah I never had a doubt that ND could outspend anyone for a head coaching job, its just do they want to spend that much? At one time there was a rule stating that no coach could make more than the head of the school, not sure if they have changed that yet, I believe they did though.

The only way meyer, spurrier, kelly or any other coach can go there and make the program a success is if they relax the academic standards for athletes(just like every other school) and let them redshirt players to extend their recruiting classes.

Right now their old school ways are just killing them and they need to get with the more modern times or they can only expect 7 or 8 win seasons at best for years to come

[Snoogans]

Wow, all class those ND fans:

Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen was punched in the face by an irate fan outside a South Bend restaurant early Sunday morning and has a swollen eye, a person briefed on the incident said on Monday.

That person said Clausen was "sucker-punched" by a fan as he left an establishment after having dinner with his parents.

The fan allegedly said something to Clausen and/or a female acquaintance.

A South Bend police spokesman said that no police reports were filed over the weekend involving Clausen, according to the Chicago Tribune.

The newspaper also reported that the name of the bar was CJ's and that a bartender at the establishment said that Clausen had been there with family members and other Irish upperclassmen after Notre Dame's loss to Connecticut on Senior Day.

The source told ESPN.com that the injury is not expected to keep Clausen from playing this weekend against Stanford.

[JPMNICK]

I am putting this in here now...

FSU beats UF on sat..............





or at least covers the spread

[JimBeam]

Wow, all class those ND fans:

I only wished they had punched Weis too.

I hope they didn't mess up his blow out when tey hit him.

[El Mudo]

Doesn't matter if Clausen plays this week or not...ND is cooked. Gerhart gets well over 200 and 3 TDs. Outside of Ingram at Alabama, I think Gerhart's the best back in the country.

Hard to believe he's a white guy. You almost NEVER see white RBs any more.

Gerhart leads the Pac-10 and is ranked third nationally in rushing, averaging 139.2 yards per game. He has gone over the 100-yard mark in nine of Stanford's 11 games this season, including each of the last five contests. He ranks second in the nation in scoring, averaging 12.91 points a game.

Gerhart has rushed for a single-season record 23 touchdowns this season and his 39 career touchdowns rank second on Stanford's all-time career list, one behind leader Darrin Nelson. Last Saturday in a loss to Cal, Gerhart tied a single-game school record by rushing for four touchdowns.

[JimBeam]

I can see ND wining this game.

This is essentially their bowl game because even if they make the Gator Bowl they aren't gonna be playing anybody worth a damn.

At least in this one they can play spoiler and justify the USC beat us, Standford beat USC but we beat Stanford with some circular logic.

[SP1!]

Wow, all class those ND fans:
Trust me, if I lived any where near athens I would seek out Joe Cox and punch him in the face, then in the cox just to make sure he gets the message.

I am putting this in here now...

FSU beats UF on sat..............





or at least covers the spread
Yeah, thats not gonna happen, FSU sucks.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Oh, Eli....


http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/227/500xyaleharvard12995735.jpg

[Snoogans]

Trust me, if I lived any where near athens I would seek out Joe Cox and punch him in the face, then in the cox just to make sure he gets the message.


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i understand, schiano isnt exactly on my good side

[Aggie]

i know you're all rooting for the a&m upset of texas. it can happen, especially since we're at home. gig 'em!

[JimBeam]

i know you're all rooting for the a&m upset of texas. it can happen, especially since we're at home. gig 'em!

I am.

Can you imagine if the top 3 were all upset ?

We could be looking at a Cincy/TCU title game.

Yeah I know that wouldn't happen.

I'm sure the math would get fuzzy and either 2 of the 3 teams that lost would still play or at the very least 1 of them would remain in the top 2 spots.

[Snoogans]

I am.

Can you imagine if the top 3 were all upset ?

We could be looking at a Cincy/TCU title game.

Yeah I know that wouldn't happen.

I'm sure the math would get fuzzy and either 2 of the 3 teams that lost would still play or at the very least 1 of them would remain in the top 2 spots.

if they all lost, , whichever of Florida and Bama that wins the SEC title would get back in there, Im sure.

[JimBeam]

if they all lost, , whichever of Florida and Bama that wins the SEC title would get back in there, Im sure.

That's true.

Do you think the same would be said for Texas if they lost A&M but then beat Nebraska ?

I don't think so.

The SEC is and/or is at least perceived to be the best conference and this year the Big 12 just isn't that good.

[KnoxHarrington]

if they all lost, , whichever of Florida and Bama that wins the SEC title would get back in there, Im sure.

Yeah, they'd pull in some bullshit computer ranking you've never heard of to make sure it's still the SEC champ vs. Texas or another program like that. Boise State, TCU, Cincy, or any similar program will never be allowed in the "championship" game.

[JimBeam]

But in all honesty the winner of the game between 2 11-1 teams is probably better than either of the other choices.

Texas wouldn't get in so you'd have the SEC champ versus either Cincy, TCU or Boise St.

[KnoxHarrington]

But in all honesty the winner of the game between 2 11-1 teams is probably better than either of the other choices.

Texas wouldn't get in so you'd have the SEC champ versus either Cincy, TCU or Boise St.

In that scenario, I honestly would not put it past the BCS to have the "title" game be a Florida-Alabama rematch if the SEC Championship game was very close, or ended in controversy.

Hopefully, that would implode this thing once and for all, but I doubt it.

[Snoogans]

That's true.

Do you think the same would be said for Texas if they lost A&M but then beat Nebraska ?

I don't think so.

The SEC is and/or is at least perceived to be the best conference and this year the Big 12 just isn't that good.

Yeah, they'd pull in some bullshit computer ranking you've never heard of to make sure it's still the SEC champ vs. Texas or another program like that. Boise State, TCU, Cincy, or any similar program will never be allowed in the "championship" game.

if this was to happen, Texas would not get back in, and Cincy would most likely jump TCU because they would have beaten pitt. Cincy is already ahead of TCU in the comp rankings, and in 2 of the computers, Cincy is actually 2nd behind Bama. A win over Pitt would probably give Cincy enough of a boost in the human poll to get them in, esp since they are at least a BCS conf.

If both Florida and Bama go undefeated into the title game, texas would have to lose, Cincy would have to lose to pitt for there to be ANY chance they played again, and I still dont know if that would be possible with the computers

[Snoogans]

and right now, Id rank the Conferences like this:

1- SEC
2-SEC
3-SEC
4-SEC
5- Pac 10
6- Big 12
7 - Big East
8- Big Ten
9- Mountain West
10-WAC
11-whatever the rest of them
Last - ACC

[JimBeam]

There's no way they'd rematch in my original scenario.

If either UF or Bama lost this weekend and then they played a close game in the SEC game they still wouldn't rematch.

The regular season loss would be too much for either of them.

Now if there was a complete meltdown w/ Cincy, TCU and Boise St also losing then you'd have a mess.

It would still leave these 6 teams in the mix as I don't see any 2 loss team having a shot.

[Snoogans]

There's no way they'd rematch in my original scenario.

If either UF or Bama lost this weekend and then they played a close game in the SEC game they still wouldn't rematch.

The regular season loss would be too much for either of them.

Now if there was a complete meltdown w/ Cincy, TCU and Boise St also losing then you'd have a mess.

It would still leave these 6 teams in the mix as I don't see any 2 loss team having a shot.

how awesome would it be if every undefeated team lost in the next 2 weeks

[JimBeam]

That would cause quite a stir.

[JimBeam]

A quote from an article about Les Miles taking calls on his weekly show :

Another questioner wanted to know why LSU did not have a play called in case the Hail Mary pass was caught but not for a score, which is what happened. Miles said they have now started practicing for such a situation should it happen again.

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20091125/SPORTS0202/91124018

I'm glad to see that just now he has figured that getting more than 1 shot at the endzone w/ 9 seconds left is a possibility.

This guy's a bufoon and he's been so since day 1.

[weekapaugjz]

i would love to see texas lose tonight.

[cougarjake13]

how awesome would it be if every undefeated team lost in the next 2 weeks

this is the exact scenario i hope happens

[JimBeam]

Well we can hope that A&M exposed some things and that Nebraska can take advanatage next weekend.

Somebody on ESPN asked if McCoy's game last night " closed the Heisman discussion ".

I haven't looked at his numbers in a while but the last few voters I've heard hadn't mentioned him in their top 3 so I'm not sure what he " closed " anything.

[SP1!]

This is a very down year all around for college football, and there is not clear cut choice for heisman, Im not even sure why teeblow is still even mentioned for the damn thing since the only thing hes done is stick around long enough to break records by players who were at school a year less than him.

The SEC is very top heavy, two good teams but the rest sucks, which is about what almost every conference can say this year.

[Snoogans]

Zaire Kitchen just LIT UP some guy on louisville. They called it a personal foul helmet to helmet but it was clean, shoulder pad. The guy started to fall and kitchen put his shoulder pad right into the guys head

I hope the guy is ok. He is still down, and they have the stretcher out. Im hoping he is just knocked out

[SP1!]

Zaire Kitchen just LIT UP some guy on louisville. They called it a personal foul helmet to helmet but it was clean, shoulder pad. The guy started to fall and kitchen put his shoulder pad right into the guys head

I hope the guy is ok. He is still down, and they have the stretcher out. Im hoping he is just knocked out

Well if its a hit to his helmet its a personal foul(and this hit was), you cant do that in college anymore they will flag you for it every time.

[Snoogans]

Well if its a hit to his helmet its a personal foul(and this hit was), you cant do that in college anymore they will flag you for it every time.

they flagged and called it for leading with the helmet. Not blow to the head.

he went to put a shoulder into him and right before, the kid started to fall, so the shoulder caught him in the face

[SP1!]

they flagged and called it for leading with the helmet. Not blow to the head.

he went to put a shoulder into him and right before, the kid started to fall, so the shoulder caught him in the face

Yes and if it wasnt for him falling his helmet would have been square in his chest, the only reason his helmet didnt spear him was because the guy was falling so his head went just to the side and his pads hit the guy square in the facemask.

He deserved to be penalized for the taunting alone after he hit the guy.

[Snoogans]

Yes and if it wasnt for him falling his helmet would have been square in his chest, the only reason his helmet didnt spear him was because the guy was falling so his head went just to the side and his pads hit the guy square in the facemask.

He deserved to be penalized for the taunting alone after he hit the guy.

no, his head was turned away. he woulda put his shoulder into the guy. Stop hating things just to get people angry. your game is so tired

[MHasegawa]

No one is watching the Iron Bowl??

[underdog]

Is the entire SEC terrible at the 2 minute drill?

Alabama got lucky today. That whole game was a battle of who could do less with better field position.

[ozzie]

Dammit.

Oh well, not a bad performance by the D, especially with our lack of depth, and a few tricks by the O to make the game interesting.

Couldn't keep Bama out of the MNC hunt, but maybe they did enough to keep Ingram out of the heisman race.

War Damn Eagle.

[Snoogans]

this game blows. both teams are inept on offense

[JimBeam]

Im not even sure why teeblow is still even mentioned for the damn thing since the only thing hes done is stick around long enough to break records by players who were at school a year less than him.

Herschel Walker ?

And I believe Kevin Faul played for 4 years.

Those are the 2 guys records he's broken recently.

You act like he broke those records just because he played 4 years.

Plenty of guys stayed for 4 years of college and didn't break those records.

[weekapaugjz]

the freedom tray is probably the stupidest thing i have ever seen. who the fuck would actually take that into game to get their concessions? and who dumps three large sodas all over their fucking car?

[sailor]

Fuck Pitt.

[SP1!]

Herschel Walker ?

And I believe Kevin Faul played for 4 years.

Those are the 2 guys records he's broken recently.

You act like he broke those records just because he played 4 years.

Plenty of guys stayed for 4 years of college and didn't break those records.

That is the only reason, lets not act like it wasnt. If he thought he could have been drafted high enough he would have come out last year but lets face it, he may not get drafted until the 3rd or fourth round.

Great college player sucky pro.....its like akli smith but with out the speed.

[JimBeam]

Or maybe he came back to win a 3rd National Championship.

He already accomplished more than Walker as far as number of championships and since Faulk never won either a Heisman or a championship I doubt he was highly motivated to show the world he was better than Kevin Faulk.

Sure coming back for another year maybe also helps his draft status so wouldn't it make more sense that this is another reason he came back and not to beat the SEC's All Time TD record ?

Maybe he's just focused on enjoying his college career and all that comes with that.

You act like he's walking around talking like he's going to be a #1 pick in the draft.

We get on players when they come out too early ( Mark Sanchez ) and then we have people like you complaining that they stay " too " long.

Maybe he won't make it in the NFL but that wouldn't make him a failure by any means.

He'll still have at least a college degree, 2 championship rings, 1 Heisman and notoriety neither of us will ever have.

[Snoogans]

the freedom tray is probably the stupidest thing i have ever seen. who the fuck would actually take that into game to get their concessions? and who dumps three large sodas all over their fucking car?

What stadium would let you bring it in? Plus the tray they give you at the stand looks like the exact same shit

[Snoogans]

Or maybe he came back to win a 3rd National Championship.

He already accomplished more than Walker as far as number of championships and since Faulk never won either a Heisman or a championship I doubt he was highly motivated to show the world he was better than Kevin Faulk.

Sure coming back for another year maybe also helps his draft status so wouldn't it make more sense that this is another reason he came back and not to beat the SEC's All Time TD record ?

Maybe he's just focused on enjoying his college career and all that comes with that.

You act like he's walking around talking like he's going to be a #1 pick in the draft.

We get on players when they come out too early ( Mark Sanchez ) and then we have people like you complaining that they stay " too " long.

Maybe he won't make it in the NFL but that wouldn't make him a failure by any means.

He'll still have at least a college degree, 2 championship rings, 1 Heisman and notoriety neither of us will ever have.

and he still has virginity that we dont have

[JimBeam]

That Pitt loss last night is gonna hurt any possible shot, however unlikely, Cincy had of playing for the championship.

[Snoogans]

That Pitt loss last night is gonna hurt any possible shot, however unlikely, Cincy had of playing for the championship.

it hurts bad. Cincy was number 2 in 2 comps, and number 3 in the comps overall. Had pitt won and then lost to cincy, that woulda given them a big human boost. Prob would jump them over TCU alone and who knows what else happens

[JimBeam]

I know it's quite trendy to be anti-Tebow but at least put the stats in proper perspective.

Sure Tebow's played in more games ( 48 versus 33 for Walker ) but he also scored more TDs with fewer carries ( 614 versus 994 for Walker ).

That means Walker had 380 more carries than Tebow which equates to almost an entire season for Walker ( 274 carries in 1980, 385 in 1981 and 335 in 1982 ).

And Tebow got many of his TDs against ranked opponents so don't make it look like he did it againts only The Citadel and Western Kentucky.

OK above I pointed out how Tebow may have played more games than Walker but that he accomplsihed the total number of TDs with far fewer carries.

Faulk had 856 rushes and scored 46 TDs, he had 61 punt returns with 2 TDs, 34 kick off returns with 1 TD. He also had 4 TD receptions although I wasn't able to track down how many receptions so for the sake of this argument he's gonna get the benefit of the doubt that he caught the 4 TDs after being thrown to only 4 times.

So in total Faulk got to 53 TDs with 955 chances.

Tebow's scored 54 TDs in only 653 chances.

Tebow was already a better scorer than Faulk through their 1st 3 years even if you limit Faulk to just his rushing attempts.

In 3 years Faulk ran 626 times for 34 TDs while Tebow ran 475 times for 43 TDs.

Oh and since your premise was that Tebow stayed " to break records by players who were at school a year less than him. " and Faulk stayed for 4 years the point was moot.

[Snoogans]

OK above I pointed out how Tebow may have played more games than Walker but that he accomplsihed the total number of TDs with far fewer carries.

Faulk had 856 rushes and scored 46 TDs, he had 61 punt returns with 2 TDs, 34 kick off returns with 1 TD. He also had 4 TD receptions although I wasn't able to track down how many receptions so for the sake of this argument he's gonna get the benefit of the doubt that he caught the 4 TDs after being thrown to only 4 times.

So in total Faulk got to 53 TDs with 955 chances.

Tebow's scored 54 TDs in only 653 chances.

Tebow was already a better scorer than Faulk through their 1st 3 years even if you limit Faulk to just his rushing attempts.

In 3 years Faulk ran 626 times for 34 TDs while Tebow ran 475 times for 43 TDs.

Oh and since your premise was that Tebow stayed " to break records by players who were at school a year less than him. " and Faulk stayed for 4 years the point was moot.

who gives a shit, he is an asshole. Im sure of it

[JimBeam]

Bosie St played another close one last night.

I know that Nevada was 8-3 going into that game having won 8 straight but they still have losses to Colorado St as well as BCS eligible teams like Notre Dame and Missouri.

Did you guys see that Nevada's the 1st team to ever have 3 1,000 yard rushers ?

I was under the impression that they were a pass happy team.

[JimBeam]

who gives a shit, he is an asshole. Im sure of it

Maybe and it's fine to hate on him because of his publicity because everybody knows they always over-hype that stuff but his numbers are great and that can't be denied.

I heard the " he willed them to victory line " this morning and I thought it was very cheesey.

On a different note what's w/ the old coots, Holtz and Corso, still backing Weis.

This morning Corso was saying that he did a good job because he lost 5 games by 21 points.

Yeah but if you go back over the last 5 years he's lost plenty of individual games by 21+ points.

Herbstreit called them all out and basically said " Why do we continue to talk about ND like we do ? They haven't been relevant since 1993. Knute Rockne's not coaching and the 4 Horseman aren't playing. "

I agree w/ some of his sentiment but some of it is a little over the top.

When you qualify for and make BCS games you are relevant.

Have they been a serious national title candidate since 1993 ?

No, but neither have plenty of teams which are talked about every week.

[Snoogans]

Maybe and it's fine to hate on him because of his publicity because everybody knows they always over-hype that stuff but his numbers are great and that can't be denied.

I heard the " he willed them to victory line " this morning and I thought it was very cheesey.

On a different note what's w/ the old coots, Holtz and Corso, still backing Weis.

This morning Corso was saying that he did a good job because he lost 5 games by 21 points.

Yeah but if you go back over the last 5 years he's lost plenty of individual games by 21+ points.

Herbstreit called them all out and basically said " Why do we continue to talk about ND like we do ? They haven't been relevant since 1993. Knute Rockne's not coaching and the 4 Horseman aren't playing. "

I agree w/ some of his sentiment but some of it is a little over the top.

When you qualify for and make BCS games you are relevant.

Have they been a serious national title candidate since 1993 ?

No, but neither have plenty of teams which are talked about every week.

thats why Herbstreet and Des rule. They will tell those old bums to stuff it. They are the 2 guys that still understand how the game is. Its long passed by corso and holtz.

Also once again id like to say, and still shocked about it, that Jesse Palmer continues to impress me in the booth

[JimBeam]

Herbstreit tried to go down the path that they just don't have the talent anymore but Desmond Howard called him on it and said that they surely had enough talent to beat Navy and Syracuse.

Howard was leaning to the fact that it was a coaching issue.

[razorboy]

It was fun to see crying Clemson guy again.

[KnoxHarrington]

Wasn't Ole Miss ranked like #4 earlier in the season? They're losing to awful Mississippi State right now.

[JimBeam]

I'm still not sure why LSU is ranked #15 despite not having a real quality win on their schedule.

[razorboy]

Wasn't Ole Miss ranked like #4 earlier in the season? They're losing to awful Mississippi State right now.

A lot of people mistook Jevan Snead for a good QB.

[Snoogans]

A lot of people mistook Jevan Snead for a good QB.

Like Steve Spurrier

[razorboy]

Like Steve Spurrier

Eh, the visor just likes to be a contrarian dickhead. No chance in hell he would send any love to Gainesville.

[Snoogans]

Eh, the visor just likes to be a contrarian dickhead. No chance in hell he would send any love to Gainesville.

Do these rings count as iconic?

[JimBeam]

Do these rings count as iconic?

That's a great commercial.

[Snoogans]

That's a great commercial.

most of those gameday commercials rule.

My favorite is the short version of the cape thing, where Des' superpower is "lookin fly"

[razorboy]

Do these rings count as iconic?

Makes me want to play Bocce.

[JimBeam]

I still don't get the Wash St flag one but maybe I'm missing something each time.

[Snoogans]

I still don't get the Wash St flag one but maybe I'm missing something each time.

they have the longest streak of flying a school flag for gameday. So in the comm they were not gonna make that game day, so he kept the streak alive

[JimBeam]

There's a lot of bad body language on the FSU players in this game.

I figure it's gotta be frustrating but you've still gotta keep your cool.

If they don't focus this could get uglier.

Dude did you guys just see that last play ?

The one offensive lineman NEVER came out of his stance.

Crazy.

[KnoxHarrington]

According to ESPN, a meeting will be held on Monday between FSU administration and Bobby Bowden to decide his future with the team.

This is really getting sad. It's like a family trying to decide how to tell Grandpa it's time to move into the nursing home.

[KnoxHarrington]

Meanwhile, another coach's future with his college seems to be settled: there are reports that Charlie Weis has cleaned out his office.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/28/source-weis-has-cleaned-out-his-office/

[razorboy]

Holy shit, Pete Carroll is a hypocritical prick.

[SP1!]

Wasn't Ole Miss ranked like #4 earlier in the season? They're losing to awful Mississippi State right now.

I'm still not sure why LSU is ranked #15 despite not having a real quality win on their schedule.
Both of those teams were/are severely over rated, LSU has no business in the top 15 at all and ole miss is terrible, no defense and no receivers.

Holy shit, Pete Carroll is a hypocritical prick.
What did I miss? Was he bad mouthing someone?

[razorboy]

What did I miss? Was he bad mouthing someone?

After the hissy fit Carroll threw over Stanford going for the TPC last game, the Trojans got the ball back on downs up 21-7 with less than a minute on the clock and chose to chuck a deep ball for another TD instead of taking a knee. Stay classy Pete.

[SP1!]

After the hissy fit Carroll threw over Stanford going for the TPC last game, the Trojans got the ball back on downs up 21-7 with less than a minute on the clock and chose to chuck a deep ball for another TD instead of taking a knee. Stay classy Pete.

Yeah I just saw that, what a douche. Fuck pete Im glad he sucks this year

[cougarjake13]

After the hissy fit Carroll threw over Stanford going for the TPC last game, the Trojans got the ball back on downs up 21-7 with less than a minute on the clock and chose to chuck a deep ball for another TD instead of taking a knee. Stay classy Pete.

tpc ??

[razorboy]

tpc ??

Two-point conversion.

[Snoogans]

After the hissy fit Carroll threw over Stanford going for the TPC last game, the Trojans got the ball back on downs up 21-7 with less than a minute on the clock and chose to chuck a deep ball for another TD instead of taking a knee. Stay classy Pete.

it was even bigger dick move than that. They got the ball and on first down, they just ran one to try to kill the clock with like 52 secs left. UCLA called a timeout to try to get the ball back. Carroll got annoyed so he through deep next play, then his sideline started taunting UCLA so bad both teams came onto the field and almost brawled

[SP1!]

it was even bigger dick move than that. They got the ball and on first down, they just ran one to try to kill the clock with like 52 secs left. UCLA called a timeout to try to get the ball back. Carroll got annoyed so he through deep next play, then his sideline started taunting UCLA so bad both teams came onto the field and almost brawled

Yeah as if carroll didnt have a big enough target on his back, now every pac 10 team will be gunning for him and his shit.

I am loving hearing all these Ga Tech fans say the UGA game wasnt a big deal, when they had done nothing but talk shit all year about how they are so much better than UGA will be in the next few years. I am praying they lose to clemson so that they will end up in another shit bowl game and get their asses kicked again.....

Fuck GT.

[underdog]

Yeah as if carroll didnt have a big enough target on his back, now every pac 10 team will be gunning for him and his shit.

Are you saying this incident will make players play harder against USC, implying that they weren't playing as hard as they could originally?

[razorboy]

Yeah as if carroll didnt have a big enough target on his back.

I wouldn't walk down Wilshire without a bulletproof vest if I were him.

[JimBeam]

Carroll's a great coach and a great recruiter so anybody who thinks this hiccup they had this year, w/ a very new team and a freshman QB, is anything but a 1 year thing is crazy.

If this was the " Let's Pay Back USC Season " I hope everybody took their best shot because they'll be back to scoring 50 on the PAC10 teams next year.

Carroll never cried about Stanford going for 2 @ least not in the sound bite I heard.

He basically said that " he'd remember it " and I'm sure he will.

Harbaugh can take all the consolation in drubbing USC this season he wants it's still Carroll 2 ( or 1 1/2 however you look @ it ) championships to his none.

I didn't see yesterday's play but if UCLA was trying to get the ball back while USC was in the process of running it out then I have no problem w/ still throwing the ball.

If the other team's trying to show mercy then accept it and if not deal w/ the consequences.

I think UF ran out like almost 2 minutes at the end of the 1st half of the game against FSU and I didn't see Bowden calling timeouts.

Although that nutty bastard might've thought he was winning the game.

[JimBeam]

Did any of you guys see the end of the Ark/LSU game ?

I still don't see how the short kickoff is ever helpful.

Ark just took a 3 point lead w/ about 1:04 left and then short kicked the ball off to LSU who rec'd it at like the 30 and advanced it to almost the 40.

So LSU only had to go about 30 yards to get in to game tying FG range and that's exactly what happened.

I also don't want any of my LSU friends whinning about officials ever again as they stopped the clocked in the game yesterday during that last drive when the RB's knee was clearly down in bounds.

That little bit of time helped LSU win that game.

[SP1!]

Are you saying this incident will make players play harder against USC, implying that they weren't playing as hard as they could originally?

No the point is that when perceived douchebags are down, then they get kicked a little harder, learn the game douchebag.

[JimBeam]

I was looking at the BCS standings yesterday and wondering if there really was a chance that UF and Alabama could meet again in the BCS title game and it looks like there might be a shot.

If Texas loses, for the sake of this thoought let's say badly, and UF loses a close game it could happen depending on what the human voters do and how the computers look at how a #1 undefeated team did against a #2 undefeated team.

I think the sceanrio works better with UF since they are ahead of Alabama however slight that margin may be.

If voters only drop UF to #2 their BCS rating might not change that much and might keep them ahead of TCU and Cincinnati ( providing they've won their game ).

I think a lot of voters would do what they perceived to be is the right thing and make sure that one of those 2 undefeated teams was ahead of the loser of the UF/Alabama game.

Having said that ( Curb Your Enthusiasm reference ) I'm not sure that an undefeated TCU team is actually better than a 1 loss UF or Alabama team. They might not be better than a 1 loss Texas team.

Boise St is getting the shaft either way but I'm not too broken up about it.

When people point to the fact that Boise St, from the WAC, beat a BCS conference team in a bowl game they act like another undefeated WAC team, Hawaii, didn't get destroyed in a bowl game.

[Aggie]

My Aggies put up a damn good fight. I was disappointed but proud. I really wish we could have spoiled their season.

I don't understand how Colt is still a favorite for the Heisman. I know Johnson is not a candidate for a reason (like our record) but by pure numbers Jerrod is just as impressive. Colt seems to be the 2nd best QB in the Big 12.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/7113/compare-the-qb-and-tell-me-who-has-had-best-season

[JimBeam]

My Aggies put up a damn good fight. I was disappointed but proud. I really wish we could have spoiled their season.

I don't understand how Colt is still a favorite for the Heisman. I know Johnson is not a candidate for a reason (like our record) but by pure numbers Jerrod is just as impressive. Colt seems to be the 2nd best QB in the Big 12.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/7113/compare-the-qb-and-tell-me-who-has-had-best-season

Yeah there's no reason to say McCoy is the Heisman favorite, not because his numbers are awful, but for that fact that nothing that he's done has seperated him from the others in the field.

I worry that some people may vote for him to " make up " for last year.

I've gotta be honest when I saw Gerhart's numbers I thought he should win.

It's probably not gonna happen because his team has 4 losses but his number are good.

He had some of his best games against the better teams.

[El Mudo]

Daily News is reporting Charles Weis has been fired. (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2009/11/30/2009-11-30_source_notre_dame_fires_head_coach_charlie_weis _.html)

[El Mudo]

My Aggies put up a damn good fight. I was disappointed but proud. I really wish we could have spoiled their season.

I don't understand how Colt is still a favorite for the Heisman. I know Johnson is not a candidate for a reason (like our record) but by pure numbers Jerrod is just as impressive. Colt seems to be the 2nd best QB in the Big 12.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/7113/compare-the-qb-and-tell-me-who-has-had-best-season


McCoy's white, a quarterback, and plays at a big program, and there's a perception that he's "due" after Tebow and Bradford's awards. That alone will get him the Heisman.

[JimBeam]

McCoy's white, a quarterback, and plays at a big program, and there's a perception that he's "due" after Tebow and Bradford's awards. That alone will get him the Heisman.

I think maybe the love for Tebow may get him another Heisman whether he actually deserves it or not.

Not that he'd be an awful choice if he won but nothing outstanding about his season other than that he lead his team to an undefeated season.