2009 College Football thread

[Snoogans]

So every other level of football... from peewee, through high school state playoffs, and every other level of college football besides D-1A (FBS), and including the NFL playoffs... are UN-fair?

People voting on who they think are the two best teams, and having a one-game, two team "tournament", is the only "fair" way?

Really?

its true. the HS shit by me is 8 games. I think 8 just works perfect for football

[JimBeam]

Yes because I feel the parity between the FCS and lower division teams is much closer than it is between the teams in the FBS.

So you probably don't have a scenario where a UF type teams plays The Citadel while a USC team plays Oh St.

So the fairness comes in where the Big 10 team got to 8-3 while playing New Mexico & New Mexico St while UF played LSU, UGA and Alabama.

And there is an element of money in the FBS that isn't in the others.

Sure it's quaint to say that the schools are making all this money like it's an individual using it to build himself a pool at his house.

All that money goes back in some way to the schools/league.

So since the FBS offers far more scholarships, which cost money, than the lower divisions they have to make money to help sustain those scholarships.

[SP1!]

So every other level of football... from peewee, through high school state playoffs, and every other level of college football besides D-1A (FBS), and including the NFL playoffs... are UN-fair?

People voting on who they think are the two best teams, and having a one-game, two team "tournament", is the only "fair" way?

Really?

The problem he has, and I agree is that you cant honestly believe that 6 of the conferences play schedules even half as close as the SEC or even the big 12. Do you really think that a 3 loss team deserves a shot at an undefeated team? Yeah its most likely they get their heads beaten in but some times they beat them with a bit of luck.

No conference that doesnt get an automatice BCS berth should not get a playoff big, let them play each other an eliminate the weaker ones then let those move on.

Oh and the teams will never schedule harder teams since the polls will always be involved in some way, otherwise you dont get the top 8 or 16 teams, so thinking people will schedule harder out of conference teams is just not true.

[ozzie]

A lot of the scheduling decisions, especially in the SEC, are based on money.

Every year, Auburn looks at their 4 home conference games, and bases their non-conference schedule accordingly.

This year, they had Miss Sate, Kentucky, Ole Miss and Bama. In the interest of trying to increase season ticket sales, they brought in West Virginia. The other three NC games were crap, but any year they get Bama at home, people will buy season tickets just to get that one game. And, again, it worked out to getting 8 home games.

Next year Bama is on the road, so it's South Carolina, Arkansas, LSU and Georgia at home. Overall, a better line up, but they still tried to beef it up by bringing in Clemson. Again, the other three are shit, but people will buy season tickets to get the 5 good games.

Every SEC team wants at least 7 home games. Period. Their budget won't allow them to settle for anything less. Some are getting 8 home games because they're not scheduling "home and home" contracts with bigger schools. They continue to go out and find these schools that are willing to come to them and take an ass kicking for a paycheck.

The feeling is that, because they play in the SEC, they don't have to schedule any other big name schools and risk a loss. There's nothing to gain, and a chance at a national title to lose by playing them. They'll do as little as they must to make their ticket sales and meet their budget, and keep the fans appeased, while not taking too many big chances at losing.

Last year, when it was looking like Texas Tech had a chance to go undefeated, everyone was screaming about their shitty NC schedule they played, but in the end, if they'd gone undefeated, they would have been playing for a MNC.

So far, it hasn't hurt anyone from a BCS conf by playing shit teams. (Except Auburn in 2004, and that was a rare year where there were 3 undefeated teams from BCS conferences at the end)

But... on the flip side, it could punish Oregon this year for having the nads to play on the smurf-turf and risk that opening game loss.

Would they still get into an 8 team playoff? Probably. But we're not there yet. Under this two-team system, it could be the difference whether they get in or not.

If they were undefeated now, and had opened with Cal-Poly, they'd be in a much better position to have a chance at a title.

My point is, the NC games we're getting now are for the most part crap because there's nothing to gain and everything to lose. The first time someone is shut out because they took a chance with a home-and-home with another big school, the NC schedules will get even worse.

It could ONLY get better if you eliminate the risk of having your title hopes lost in September.

With the facilities wars going on with the major programs, every dollar counts, and bigger games bring in more money.

[weekapaugjz]

i hope florida state get their faces pounded in tonight.

[weekapaugjz]

i can't fucking stand it anytime some stupid announcer uses the word, "trickeration". it's not a word. just stop.

[KnoxHarrington]

Bobby Bowden sounded like someone's senile old grandpa angry that his kids want him to stop driving in that clip.

It's really getting kind of sad.

[Snoogans]

lets go heels

[Snoogans]

TRICKORATION PLAYS


we had 3. OBVIOUSLY ITS A REAL WORD, BROADCASTERS USE IT



so fuckin awful

[KnoxHarrington]

This whole "coach in waiting" arrangement just seems like a totally bad idea.

[SP1!]

A lot of the scheduling decisions, especially in the SEC, are based on money.

The feeling is that, because they play in the SEC, they don't have to schedule any other big name schools and risk a loss. There's nothing to gain, and a chance at a national title to lose by playing them. They'll do as little as they must to make their ticket sales and meet their budget, and keep the fans appeased, while not taking too many big chances at losing.I agree on the money but then why pay some patsy $300k to come in here to take a beating if money is the issue? I know my GFs dad always gives his tickets away when UGA plays homecoming against the shit teams(tennessee tech this year) and has a hard time giving them away. I bet the stadium is half full at the start of the 3rd quarter. And then you contradict yourself that auburn got shut out because of their shit OOC schedule, so it does make a difference since most SEC teams play shit teams OOC, if there are a few undefeated teams this year then UF and bama should get shut out for the crappy teams they played, VT is still iffy at best, I think they were over rated and florida played shit teams the first 2 or 3 weeks. I think UGA is doing it right by limiting it to one patsy a year and playing a pretty decent OOC schedule, which I believe, should be every SEC, hell every FBS teams model(I dont count most pac 10 schools since their in conference games suck)

But... on the flip side, it could punish Oregon this year for having the nads to play on the smurf-turf and risk that opening game loss.

My point is, the NC games we're getting now are for the most part crap because there's nothing to gain and everything to lose. The first time someone is shut out because they took a chance with a home-and-home with another big school, the NC schedules will get even worse.Oregon is not that good, they lost to an average Boise team who should have lost to tulsa who in turn got beat by a bad UTEP team. Like I said, it doesnt have to be a big team, hell take turns scheduling baylor and maryland every year but they are still a better team than the shit teams they play now. And like I said, disqualify any team that schedules a DIVII-A team in their regular season, that would stop all this bullshit.

It could ONLY get better if you eliminate the risk of having your title hopes lost in September.

With the facilities wars going on with the major programs, every dollar counts, and bigger games bring in more money.
But how are you going to eliminate the risk? If you have a shitty OOC schedule then you should get punished by the polls, that doesnt happen now, so if you have a good OOC and lose how do you think it will take away the risk? Even in basketball they have to worry about the polls, the difference is they may have 20 games to make that up, in football one loss to a good team may kill you especially mid to late in the season. You will never get rid of the polls, its how every one seeds their playoffs, even in DIVII-A and if you get ranked low because of a loss, even to a good team, then you are fucked. So the playoff will still just end up making it worse since they want to be ranked as high as possible at the end of the year since there can only be one conference champion every year.

lets go heels

Well, duh, doesnt everyone hate bowden? I have hated him for almost 20 years now, stupid hick.

[weekapaugjz]

more TRICKERATION!

[SP1!]

TRICKORATION PLAYS


we had 3. OBVIOUSLY ITS A REAL WORD, BROADCASTERS USE IT



so fuckin awful
Yeah I hate this guy almost as much as I hated stuart scott, he is fucking horrible and that word does suck.

This whole "coach in waiting" arrangement just seems like a totally bad idea.
Its just a way to lock up a decent coach but I dont see the advantage to it unless you look at being a highly paid assistant, why would you coach good to make the current coach look good? You have a job anyways, so why make him look good?

Good god, there was that word again somebody shoot him in the knee every time he utters that word.

[Snoogans]

Yeah I hate this guy almost as much as I hated stuart scott, he is fucking horrible and that word does suck.




isnt it chris fowler tonight? He is usually not bad, palmer too

[SP1!]

isnt it chris fowler tonight? He is usually not bad, palmer too
Folwer has started using crap like that too, its annoying and almost makes the game unwatchable.

[weekapaugjz]

dr. lou's answer to pat kane should have been to not beat up cabbies for $0.20 in change.

[underdog]

This whole "coach in waiting" arrangement just seems like a totally bad idea.

Is it any worse that Bobby Bowden coaching your team?

[KnoxHarrington]

Is it any worse that Bobby Bowden coaching your team?

True, very true.

One thing that annoys me about Jimbo Fisher, though -- what the fuck is with that name? As a James myself, I believe the only acceptable forms of the name are either James, Jim, or -- and this is borderline -- Jimmy. What the fuck is "Jimbo"?

[weekapaugjz]

True, very true.

One thing that annoys me about Jimbo Fisher, though -- what the fuck is with that name? As a James myself, I believe the only acceptable forms of the name are either James, Jim, or -- and this is borderline -- Jimmy. What the fuck is "Jimbo"?

i went by jamie when i was young. i introduce myself now as james. absolutely hate any form of jim. jimbo is by far the worst.

[underdog]

True, very true.

One thing that annoys me about Jimbo Fisher, though -- what the fuck is with that name? As a James myself, I believe the only acceptable forms of the name are either James, Jim, or -- and this is borderline -- Jimmy. What the fuck is "Jimbo"?

i went by jamie when i was young. i introduce myself now as james. absolutely hate any form of jim. jimbo is by far the worst.

What's up, Jimbos?

[ozzie]

I agree on the money but then why pay some patsy $300k to come in here to take a beating if money is the issue?

If the Avg stadium capacity is 80k, and avg ticket price is $40, that's $3.2 Mil just in ticket sales.

But, like you said, no one is going to pay outright to see them play Tennessee Tech. The only way you sell that game is in a season ticket package.

But they'd have no problem selling out a game against Oklahoma.

And then you contradict yourself that auburn got shut out because of their shit OOC schedule

That was a rare year where USC and OK went wire to wire as #1 & #2. There was a brief period before the final game and the SEC champ game where AU was in a tie for #2 in the BCS standings. AU beat Bama, but didn't blow them out, and then had to beat Tennessee again in the SEC CG.

They stayed #3 in the polls, and evidently hadn't done enough for the computers to put them above OU. "Experts" were going back and pointing to AU's OOC games (mainly The Citadel), and claiming that was the reason they were shut out. But it would have taken a lot to overcome OU staying at #2 all year and winning them all.

And it did have an affect on most schools. That year they only played 11 games. When they went to 12, most everyone picked up a BCS conf team for their 4th OOC game.

I'm just saying that you could have the opposite affect if losing a tough OOC game bites a school in the ass.

Oregon is not that good, they lost to an average Boise team who should have lost to tulsa who in turn got beat by a bad UTEP team.

See, this is the stuff that drives me nuts and makes me scream for a playoff... and also proves my point about scheduling.

So if it comes down to a bunch of one loss teams fighting for a spot, you're admitting that a road loss in an OOC game would hurt Oregon's chances on getting in... but if they had ended up as one of only two undefeated teams, they'd deserve to play? ... no matter who that opening game was against?

And how do you think this wouldn't change the way schools schedule their OOC games?

Odds are that by the end, they'll likely get two undefeated teams in the title game, and the BCS will be able to point to it and brag that this bullshit system works.

But I, for one, will be rooting for the current one-loss teams to remain that way (Oregon/USC, Miami/GT), and for Florida, Bama, Texas and Iowa to all drop one, and to sit back and watch the system try to "fairly" pick two "worthy teams" from one of these BCS one-loss schools and undefeated teams from "lesser" conferences.

It's obviously going to take something like this to make people realize that you can't honestly "judge" 120 teams and think that biased voting for the top two is a "fair" system.

[El Mudo]

True, very true.

One thing that annoys me about Jimbo Fisher, though -- what the fuck is with that name? As a James myself, I believe the only acceptable forms of the name are either James, Jim, or -- and this is borderline -- Jimmy. What the fuck is "Jimbo"?

Better than Jumbo

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/09/10/gal_team-jumbo.jpg

[SP1!]

It's obviously going to take something like this to make people realize that you can't honestly "judge" 120 teams and think that biased voting for the top two is a "fair" system.
Again, its that biased system that is going to still choose the playoffs, so it wont fix much except you will have probably 3 SEC teams take those spots, people will scream when that happens

And again, they wont schedule any harder teams if they just take conference champions automatically, they will just do what you said and lump their more attractive games into a package. Want to go to Fla/Ga? Fine you have to buy this package for $200 that includes our games against podunk U.

They have done this for a few years now that if you want to see a good game then you have to buy a package for the shit games, its about money and they have already solved that problem, along with jacking up rates sky high to tailgate on campus.

If all that matters would be conference championships and a high ranking to get in the playoff system you will see only conference schedules and a lot of teams beating up on low level teams.

[Snoogans]

Schiano is a pussy. Call plays like a man, fag


Savage looks pretty good. What an arm on that kid.

[weekapaugjz]

let's go army!

[Snoogans]

let's go army!

dont hate on RU cause buffalo sucks again

[weekapaugjz]

dont hate on RU cause buffalo sucks again

buffalo sucks at everything. i've finally come to realize it.

[weekapaugjz]

snoogans, is savage from NJ or did they recruit him from somewhere else?

edit: they just said he was from right outside philly, cardinal o'hara highschool

[Snoogans]

let's go army!

snoogans, is savage from NJ or did they recruit him from somewhere else?

edit: they just said he was from right outside philly, cardinal o'hara highschool

yea springfield PA, about 10 miles from philly thank god. 10 Miles from me hating his guts.


Though I hated Teel's guts and he is from 3 miles from me

[weekapaugjz]

Though I hated Teel's guts and he is from 3 miles from me

it's easy to hate someone who sucks.

[Snoogans]

the halfback at Card Ohara is a Sr this year and a 4 star, Savage is tryin to get him to sign at RU

[weekapaugjz]

army getting back into this one.

[Snoogans]

it would be bad enough in apearance if RU doesnt win this game big, but seriously, they need to cover the 10.5 tonight. DONT FUCK AROUND

[weekapaugjz]

it would be bad enough in apearance if RU doesnt win this game big, but seriously, they need to cover the 10.5 tonight. DONT FUCK AROUND

what was the wager?

[Snoogans]

what was the wager?

well, 10 cents on centsports and 20 times with the bookie



COVER THE NUMBER FAGS

[weekapaugjz]

now if they could just somehow score .5 points...

[Snoogans]

now if they could just somehow score .5 points...

i was gonna fuckin bet yesterday when it was an even 10 too, but i got it at 10.5. Savage missed on one there but he looks comfortable. Im liking what I see from him WHEN THAT FAG COACH LETS HIM PASS

[Snoogans]

nice pass interference there on that play with Sanu, and then Schiano goes RIGHT BACK TO BEIN A FAG

[weekapaugjz]

nice pass interference there on that play with Sanu, and then Schiano goes RIGHT BACK TO BEIN A FAG

its fumble central out there now.

[Snoogans]

thank god army cant hold on to it or they might be winning this game. I wish Fagano had gone to Michigan or Miami

[Snoogans]

2 more TDs for the all time leading HS rusher in NJ history

[weekapaugjz]

is army going to march down the field and get 7? making them lose by 10?

[Snoogans]

is army going to march down the field and get 7? making them lose by 10?

i was always good to you, why break my heart with this talk

[weekapaugjz]

i was always good to you, why break my heart with this talk

ah, just some good ol' ball busting. i really want you to win your 10 cent bet. you'd be able to buy a pretzel stick with your winnings!

[Snoogans]

ah, just some good ol' ball busting. i really want you to win your 10 cent bet. you'd be able to buy a pretzel stick with your winnings!

i was worried more about the 20 times

[KnoxHarrington]

I've bashed Corso before on here, but I love that he just used the phrase "shot their wad" in reference to Arkansas.

He should just go ahead and drop some f-bombs. Then if people complain, he can say "What? I had a stroke!"

[ozzie]

I've bashed Corso before on here, but I love that he just used the phrase "shot their wad" in reference to Arkansas.

He should just go ahead and drop some f-bombs. Then if people complain, he can say "What? I had a stroke!"

That's awesome.

Hope he's wrong, though.

[Snoogans]

USF sucks

so does Minn

[Snoogans]

the money line on BC today is +250. Just puttin that out there

also florida is giving 22 with all those guys hurt and usc is giving 20.5 to a team that beat them last year.


Use your own judgements. Also Marylan d is a +165 against Duke. If you bet on MD and they cant beat duke, Mudo will pay you back

[Snoogans]

these games suck today. What a bunch of bums USF are

[disneyspy]

these games suck today. What a bunch of bums USF are

agreed,i'm watchin the NW/IND game on the big ten network,NW just went 29-28 with abourt 20 seconds to go,i could give a shit bout either team but its been a good comeback for NW

[TheGameHHH]

my internet serive provider doesn't allow me to watch games on ESPN360.com, so f'n lame. thankfully ESPN is showing bonus coverage of the WVU game.

[Snoogans]

my internet serive provider doesn't allow me to watch games on ESPN360.com, so f'n lame. thankfully ESPN is showing bonus coverage of the WVU game.

yea or a certain website has them all

[Ritalin]

Go BC

[led37zep]

yea or a certain website has them all

Thats the only way I watch the Oregon games. Viva that certain website

[Ritalin]

Why is douchebag Jimmy Claussen wearing adidas brand eye black? Not everyone on the team
is, so it's not a rule.

Do you think anyone from the AD's office ever talked to him about it? You know "hey Jimmy, you don't have to, but it sure would be good if you'd wear these branded eyeblack
patches.

Why would he voluntarily walk around with two little billboards on his face? Stupid

[led37zep]

4th and Goal on the 2 yd line and Oregon stops them cold. love it!!!!

[KnoxHarrington]

Why is douchebag Jimmy Claussen wearing adidas brand eye black? Not everyone on the team
is, so it's not a rule.

Do you think anyone from the AD's office ever talked to him about it? You know "hey Jimmy, you don't have to, but it sure would be good if you'd wear these branded eyeblack
patches.

Why would he voluntarily walk around with two little billboards on his face? Stupid

http://206forthetwenties.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/jimmy-clausen.jpg

Oh you big silly, it looks fabulous

[led37zep]

http://206forthetwenties.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/jimmy-clausen.jpg

Oh you big silly, it looks fabulous

He's not far from this.

http://www.frakincool.com/images/gino2.jpg

[ozzie]

It's not easy rooting for Tennessee.... but someone's gotta do it.

[Ritalin]

He got knocked the fuck out.

[led37zep]

He got knocked the fuck out.

??

[Freakshow]

LOL at Michigan hiring a West Virginia coach. Penn State is 49-9-3 against WVU...

[ozzie]

Bama scores ZERO offensive touchdowns, blocks 2 FG's, including the last play, to survive 12 - 10.

[Freakshow]

Clemson playing for overtime? What the shit?

[epo]

Bama scores ZERO offensive touchdowns, blocks 2 FG's, including the last play, to survive 12 - 10.

Seriously, what the fuck was Lane Kiffin doing sitting on the ball and playing for the long field goal?

[KnoxHarrington]

I am a massive fan of Mississippi State right now.

Let's see if Tebow H. Christ takes any heat for struggling against yet another "inferior" team this week.

[Snoogans]

What a retard that Miss St coach is. DONT FAKE PUNTS AT YOUR OWN 20 YOU FUCKIN MORON

[Snoogans]

nice work dickheads. Now Florida has locked it up

[KnoxHarrington]

What a retard that Miss St coach is. DONT FAKE PUNTS AT YOUR OWN 20 YOU FUCKIN MORON

Especially as well as Miss. St's defense has been playing. Punt it, hold Florida, and maybe you'll get it back in good position.

[Snoogans]

good work dickheads. Now i get another week of them blowing Tebow

[Snoogans]

You Fags Better Still Cover The 22

[Ritalin]

good work dickheads. Now i get another week of them blowing Tebow

They're going to anyway

[Snoogans]

They're going to anyway

they better cover the 22 is all i really care about now that I know they cant win it

[Snoogans]

im watchin oregon state vs USC and OSU are a bunch of morons. So lucky they just got that ball back

[Snoogans]

USC is only up 21-16 in the 3rd
alot of good games today
oh no, im ripping off
dude

[KnoxHarrington]

HAHAHA Pick 6 from Football Jesus

[KnoxHarrington]

Florida was handed a gift TD by the refs. The call on that should have been a fumble, recovered by MSU in the end zone.

It should be 22-19 now.

[JimBeam]

What a retard that Miss St coach is. DONT FAKE PUNTS AT YOUR OWN 20 YOU FUCKIN MORON

Yeah that was a really really bad idea.

Florida was handed a gift TD by the refs. The call on that should have been a fumble, recovered by MSU in the end zone.

Yeah and Meyer should be putting his foot up that showboating douche's a$$.

I'm liking the fight in this ND team but they still don't impress me.

[SP1!]

Wow did a whole saturday go by without me posting? Thats impressive.

UF should have lost and miss st got screwed, that was a fumble and bama showed they werent shit, they should have lost to UT, the SEC is keeping their undefeated championship game alive for their final game, Im sure of it.

Over all this is the most open I have ever seen the NC for college football, someone other than a major may have a shot at winning it all, but I hope texas makes it because they would stomp florida or bama pretty easily.

[JimBeam]

... but I hope texas makes it because they would stomp florida or bama pretty easily.

Why because they destroyed an awful Missouri team ?

A team that they only scored 7 points against in the 2nd half ?

UF should have lost and miss st got screwed, that was a fumble ...

Why do you assume that fumble would've turned into points for Miss St ?

[led37zep]

Ducks broke the top ten in the BSC going into next weekend against USC.

Should be an amazing game on Halloween night in Eugene.

[SP1!]

Why because they destroyed an awful Missouri team ?

A team that they only scored 7 points against in the 2nd half ?

Why do you assume that fumble would've turned into points for Miss St ?

UF and bama have looked pretty bad in quite a few games, to ignore that is just insane, there is no way LSU deserves to be in the top 10 as well. Over all the SEC is waaaaaaaaay down and I think most teams would kill bama or UF.

And it may not have, but it was a momentum changer and they stopped it even though it was clearly a fumble and should have been miss st ball on the 20.

[JimBeam]

And Texas didn't look too good against the 1st and only team, OK, that they've played all year.

So why would they beat either UF or Alabama ?

[SP1!]

And Texas didn't look too good against the 1st and only team, OK, that they've played all year.

So why would they beat either UF or Alabama ?

Have you watched either of them play this year? Since teeblow had his concussion its only a matter of time before flordida loses and I dont think bama beats auburn this year.

The SEC is over rated this year, Im an SEC fan and I can see that plainly.

[led37zep]

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[JimBeam]

Have you watched either of them play this year? Since teeblow had his concussion its only a matter of time before flordida loses and I dont think bama beats auburn this year.

The SEC is over rated this year, Im an SEC fan and I can see that plainly.

I've watched both teams play plenty of times now and while they have both had slow games they've played better teams than Texas has.

You act like just because Tebow and the team aren't doing what they did in previous years that it means they will lose.

Ditto for Alabama.

They're not playing the ghosts of teams past their playing, and beating, the teams on their schedule this year.

I have news for you, Colt McCoy's not having the same season as last year either so I wouldn't guarantee him any titles because he's played one team with a decent defense.

That's not to say that all 3 won't end up with a loss but to think you have some inside information that tells you Texas is so much better than either UF or Alabama is just silly.

[Snoogans]

I've watched both teams play plenty of times now and while they have both had slow games they've played better teams than Texas has.

You act like just because Tebow and the team aren't doing what they did in previous years that it means they will lose.

Ditto for Alabama.

They're not playing the ghosts of teams past their playing, and beating, the teams on their schedule this year.

I have news for you, Colt McCoy's not having the same season as last year either so I wouldn't guarantee him any titles because he's played one team with a decent defense.

That's not to say that all 3 won't end up with a loss but to think you have some inside information that tells you Texas is so much better than either UF or Alabama is just silly.


TCU VS BOISE STATE

[JimBeam]

I'm pretty sure only 1 of them is getting into the BCS unless there's complete mayhem in the next few weeks.

ND needs to hope for both of them to lose, while winning out, if they want to even be considered for a BCS game.

[SP1!]

That's not to say that all 3 won't end up with a loss but to think you have some inside information that tells you Texas is so much better than either UF or Alabama is just silly.
I am looking at their defenses, UF and bamas has looked worse and UT has stayed about the same as previous if not a little better.

[led37zep]

Holy shit I can't wait for Saturday!!!!!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/images/07/22/usc-oregon-cheer_jpg.jpg

[Snoogans]

WV is terrible

[Spagett]

USC will dominate Oregon

[Snoogans]

WV are FUCKIN BUMS

[razorboy]

Hee hee. B.J. Daniels.

[ozzie]

This was the same USF team that just played at Pitt... right?

The same D that gave up scores on Pitt's first 5 possessions?

Devine couldn't break a run all night against this bunch.

At least they covered the Over, although I figured it would be WVU doing the majority of the scoring.

[led37zep]

Seeing Gameday in Eugene warms my soul.

[GregoryJoseph]

I think there should be profit sharing in the NCAA so the small schools have a chance to compete.

[disneyspy]

I think there should be profit sharing in the NCAA so the small schools have a chance to compete.

there is,the small schools that go to ann arbor make more in that one game than they do all season at their home games

[disneyspy]

if indiana can keep up this running game theres goin be an upset in hawkeyeland

[Snoogans]

Perhaps Tim Brown listened to my tips

[KnoxHarrington]

As a native Kentuckian, I don't think I'm allowed to root for Indiana, but I'd love to see them win to make sure that this dogshit Iowa team gets knocked out of the BCS.

[disneyspy]

thats an indiana TD!

[KnoxHarrington]

Holy shit, this Iowa quarterback sucks.

5 INT in the game, 4 in the 3rd quarter.

[KnoxHarrington]

Seriously, I've seen QB's shit the bed before, but this is one of the worst I've ever seen.

[KnoxHarrington]

Seriously, though, how do you have 6 takeaways on a team and now only have a 3 point lead?

Indiana sucks ass

[disneyspy]

indiana got robbed ths game and now the're fucked goin into the wind,i was so lookin forward to iowa gettin spanked,fuck indiana

[KnoxHarrington]

indiana got robbed ths game and now the're fucked goin into the wind,i was so lookin forward to iowa gettin spanked,fuck indiana

Yeah, the refs fucked Indiana, but, still, you get 6 takeaways, there's no excuse to lose that game.

Indiana sucks.

[disneyspy]

Yeah, the refs fucked Indiana, but, still, you get 6 takeaways, there's no excuse to lose that game.

Indiana sucks.

the only good thing about that game was iowa won by more than 17 1/2 points

fuckin NMSU cant score 3 points! fuck them! they suck

[Sarge]

Nice pick by Auburn.

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm sick of hte shot of Tebow in the headset, like he's actually directing plays or something.

I doubt it's even plugged in.

[FrogSlayer]

did I hear it correctly?
Tebow broke Herschel Walkers SEC rushing yardage record?

Somebody concuss that fucker

[disneyspy]

did I hear it correctly?
Tebow broke Herschel Walkers SEC rushing yardage record?

Somebody concuss that fucker

it was his rushing TD record

[disneyspy]

i have expanded my chicago hatred to all of illinois,what a stupid way to spell a state

[ozzie]

Nice pick by Auburn.

They really needed that win.

After getting up 31 - 7 in the 3rd, it turned out to be a heck of a game.

[ozzie]

Wonder if a home win over Michigan would be enough to save Zook's job.

Best they've looked all year.

[disneyspy]

WTF! MICHIGAN,how many times can you fumble the ball in the red zone! F!

[Snoogans]

lets go Ducks

[led37zep]

lets go Ducks

Hell Ya!


I might make myself sick by the end of this game.

[MHasegawa]

Okie St. has AWFUL wideouts!

[Snoogans]

Okie St. has AWFUL wideouts!

they have 1 awesome one who isnt allowed to play

[Snoogans]

fuckin BUMS

[Snoogans]

these oregon jerseys are ass ugly

[led37zep]

these oregon jerseys are ass ugly

Now you've gone too far!

[SP1!]

I think there should be profit sharing in the NCAA so the small schools have a chance to compete.
Why, everyone screams against it in the pro sports.

it was his rushing TD record
Yeah and he did it in a lot more games with a lot of those coming against scrub teams in his heisman season.

[Snoogans]

lets go moafuckin ducks moafucka

[led37zep]

I'll feel better about this game when we're up by 28.

14 is still too close with 4 to go in the 3rd

[Snoogans]

I'll feel better about this game when we're up by 28.

14 is still too close with 4 to go in the 3rd

so how bout they go get a TD here?

[Snoogans]

James is fuckin nasty

[led37zep]

James is fuckin nasty

If he keeps playing this good white people in Portland are going to start naming their kids LaMichael.

[Snoogans]

I love watchin this offense. So much fun. PISTOL BITCH

[led37zep]

God Bless Chip Kelly!

[Snoogans]

i cant believe how little USC can slow down the Ducks. Its pretty nuts


and OK State eats dick

[led37zep]

If I knew how to cry I would.

this game is beautiful!!!

[led37zep]

http://logoshak.com/~asgsport/images/Oregon_Ducks_3.gif

[ozzie]

Nice job Chip Kelly and the Ducks.

Leave no fucking doubt!

[Snoogans]

I cant wait til we get to see this kid on saturdays:
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[ozzie]

Brandon Spikes gets caught gouging Washaun Ealey's eyes...

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Meyer gives him a 1/2 game suspension? Against Vanderbilt?

[El Mudo]

Brandon Spikes gets caught gouging Washaun Ealey's eyes...

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Meyer gives him a 1/2 game suspension? Against Vanderbilt?

I'm more shocked the SEC agreed with the punishment.

I mean, the Pile is "the Pile", where all sorts of awful stuff goes on, but with something that blatant, you've got to at the very least suspend them for a game, especially something that dangerous, and with that amount of malicious intent.

[ozzie]

I'm more shocked the SEC agreed with the punishment.

I mean, the Pile is "the Pile", where all sorts of awful stuff goes on, but with something that blatant, you've got to at the very least suspend them for a game, especially something that dangerous, and with that amount of malicious intent.

Exactly. They've got Vandy this week. They don't need Spikes to beat them. Meyer (and UF) would have looked better had he at least suspended him for a full game.

Or more.

I hate this kind of shit. You're going to "retaliate" against a 3rd or 4th string tailback later in the game because your helmet got pulled off by someone else?

To me this is on par with the LeGarrette Blount incident after the Boise game.

I think's Blount's punishment was too severe, and I think Spikes is getting off too lightly.

I think that each was deserving of a multiple game suspension. Not one half, but not an entire season either.

[El Mudo]

Exactly. They've got Vandy this week. They don't need Spikes to beat them. Meyer (and UF) would have looked better had he at least suspended him for a full game.

Or more.

I hate this kind of shit. You're going to "retaliate" against a 3rd or 4th string tailback later in the game because your helmet got pulled off by someone else?

To me this is on par with the LeGarrette Blount incident after the Boise game.

I think's Blount's punishment was too severe, and I think Spikes is getting off too lightly.

I think that each was deserving of a multiple game suspension. Not one half, but not an entire season either.


I agree. Its not quite on the "Haynesworth" level on the football crazy scale, but its close to it.

Its at least as bad as the Marcus Vick stomping a few years ago.

[GregoryJoseph]

You guys should follow Pop Warner while you're at it...

[KnoxHarrington]

Here's the BCS Destroying Scenario I'm hoping for...If Oregon runs the table, and Texas loses, I can see Oregon leaping over them to face the winner of the SEC in the BCS "Championship" game.

And to make things even spicier, imagine all this happens after Boise State, who beat Oregon head-to-head, finishes undefeated, which I think they will. It'll be a glorious trainwreck.

[ozzie]

You guys should follow Pop Warner while you're at it...

This bit (jumping into the sports thread to make fun of the sports fans) was funnier when Death Metal Moe (or NJDM) was doing it in 2002.

[ozzie]

Here's the BCS Destroying Scenario I'm hoping for...If Oregon runs the table, and Texas loses, I can see Oregon leaping over them to face the winner of the SEC in the BCS "Championship" game.

And to make things even spicier, imagine all this happens after Boise State, who beat Oregon head-to-head, finishes undefeated, which I think they will. It'll be a glorious trainwreck.

I have been rooting for all the undefeated BCS conf teams to lose one.

Perfect "chaos" scenario would be to have two of the one-loss BCS conf champs jump over TCU, Boise and I'll throw in Cincy, even though technically the Big East is a "BCS" conference.

I'm really hoping that LSU beats Bama this weekend, and then the SEC West winner knocks off Florida in the SEC title game.

As much as I love this conference, I hate the idea of the BCS title game having two undefeated teams from BCS conferences, and being able to look like they "got it right".

Iowa can still lose to OSU. I can only pray for a miracle upset by A&M over the longhorns. I don't see a Big 12 North team beating them in the title game... but then again, I didn't think KState would beat OU in 2003 either.

Let them try to pick only two from one-loss Oregon, Texas, Bama, Georgia Tech, LSU, Florida, Iowa and then Undefeated Boise, TCU and Cincinatti.... that leaves a LOT of pissed off fans, states and congressmen.

But, alas, it's looking more and more like at least two BCS conf teams will survive undefeated... but I can hope.

[Snoogans]

what a huge game on ESPN 2 tonight

[ozzie]

what a huge game on ESPN 2 tonight

Shit, thanks, didn't realize it had started already.

Have they brought up Turner Gill getting passed over for the Auburn job yet?

If not... they will, sometime during the game.

They can't seem to let it go. Hell, it was brought up again on an ESPN "Outside the Lines" episode just a few weeks ago, when AU was 5 - 0 under Chizik at the time, and Buffalo was 1 - 4 under Gill.

Yes, ESPN, we get it. You want to paint the SEC as a deep-south, racist conference, who currently has no black head coaches. And the ONLY reason Gene Chizik got the job over Gill was that he was white.

Turner Gill won the MAC conference with Buffalo last year... beating the formidable Ball State in the MAC title game. Of course that means that he's ready to be head coach at a SEC school.

I hate when it's a slow sports news week, and they have to re-hash shit like this.

Might as well talk about Sylvester Croom getting passed over by Bama again too while you're on the subject.

[El Mudo]

Shit, thanks, didn't realize it had started already.

Have they brought up Turner Gill getting passed over for the Auburn job yet?

If not... they will, sometime during the game.

They can't seem to let it go. Hell, it was brought up again on an ESPN "Outside the Lines" episode just a few weeks ago, when AU was 5 - 0 under Chizik at the time, and Buffalo was 1 - 4 under Gill.

Yes, ESPN, we get it. You want to paint the SEC as a deep-south, racist conference, who currently has no black head coaches. And the ONLY reason Gene Chizik got the job over Gill was that he was white.

Turner Gill won the MAC conference with Buffalo last year... beating the formidable Ball State in the MAC title game. Of course that means that he's ready to be head coach at a SEC school.

I hate when it's a slow sports news week, and they have to re-hash shit like this.

Might as well talk about Sylvester Croom getting passed over by Bama again too while you're on the subject.

Or Kentucky passing over Doug Williams for Rich Brooks, since both were way more egregious than Auburn not hiring Turner Gill.

[JimBeam]

Yeah and he did it in a lot more games with a lot of those coming against scrub teams in his heisman season.

I know it's quite trendy to be anti-Tebow but at least put the stats in proper perspective.

Sure Tebow's played in more games ( 48 versus 33 for Walker ) but he also scored more TDs with fewer carries ( 614 versus 994 for Walker ).

That means Walker had 380 more carries than Tebow which equates to almost an entire season for Walker ( 274 carries in 1980, 385 in 1981 and 335 in 1982 ).

And Tebow got many of his TDs against ranked opponents so don't make it look like he did it againts only The Citadel and Western Kentucky.

[Snoogans]

anybody checkin out this game?

[weekapaugjz]

anybody checkin out this game?

just flipped to it now.

[weekapaugjz]

i really want east carolina to win. i can't fucking stand va tech.

[weekapaugjz]

that's a bad call. that should have been a fumble.

[Snoogans]

both of these teams are terrible

[weekapaugjz]

both of these teams are terrible

i bailed about 10 mins ago. awful game.

[JimBeam]

Kiper was on Mike & Mike this morning and he was saying that he though that if 2 of the top 3 now stumble before the end of the year that he could see TCU, providing they win out, make it to the title game.

He was also playing devil's advocate on whether or not Boise St should reamin ahead of Oregon if they both win the rest of their games.

[JimBeam]

Hopefully Alabama destroys LSU tomorrow so we can stop hearing how they have a shot at the title.

I just looked at their schedule and up until this point they've only played 2 teams with a winning record ( UF and Auburn ) and went 1-1 in those games.

There are only 2 other teams on their schedule for the rest of the year with winning records at this point ( Alabama and Ole Miss ).

Through the first 8 games their opponents' combined records are 33-34 and 8 of those wins belong to UF which beat them.

If you add in their remaining opponents' records, including Alabama's 8 wins, it's 53-56 for the year.

A loss tomorrow should drop them way out of the BCS picture.

[SP1!]

Wow, anyone watching the game tonight? Boise looks like shit and against a team(La Tech) that is a yearly whipping boy of SEC teams.

Yeah making a real good case for being included in NC talk there boise, even if they hold on I think the point is over, they look like a 3rd rate team at best.

[keithy_19]

Wow, anyone watching the game tonight? Boise looks like shit and against a team(La Tech) that is a yearly whipping boy of SEC teams.

Yeah making a real good case for being included in NC talk there boise, even if they hold on I think the point is over, they look like a 3rd rate team at best.

Normally I would agree with you, but if they pull out the win they should still be considered. Other ranked teams have struggled with unranked teams.

[SP1!]

Normally I would agree with you, but if they pull out the win they should still be considered. Other ranked teams have struggled with unranked teams.

This is a severely crap team, and Iowa is the only team I have really seen struggle against unranked teams.

Boise plays a shit schedule and this game proves it, I would rather see TCU get in above boise and if oregon wins out then they will end up higher than boise so we can hear them scream.

[keithy_19]

This is a severely crap team, and Iowa is the only team I have really seen struggle against unranked teams.

Boise plays a shit schedule and this game proves it, I would rather see TCU get in above boise and if oregon wins out then they will end up higher than boise so we can hear them scream.

That's true. But I think that at some point Boise should get more credit. Hell, give them a tougher schedule and see how they do with it.

[NickyL0885]

That's true. But I think that at some point Boise should get more credit. Hell, give them a tougher schedule and see how they do with it.

They are trying. They have called 10 schools so far offering to play them. They say no. Boise St. then offers to travel and the other team doesnt have to do a Home and Home thing. They still get turned down. Teams just dont want to play them. I wouldnt either. If im Texas and I know that 1 loss could ruin my national chapionship chances, why risk playing Boise St.?

[JimBeam]

They are trying. They have called 10 schools so far offering to play them. They say no. Boise St. then offers to travel and the other team doesnt have to do a Home and Home thing. They still get turned down. Teams just dont want to play them. I wouldnt either. If im Texas and I know that 1 loss could ruin my national chapionship chances, why risk playing Boise St.?

That's just simply ridiculous. Nobody is dodging Boise St.

You think UF wouldn't rather play Boise St at home than play Miami or FSU on the road ?

Tennessee would rather go to the state of California than play Boise St in Knoxville ?

Oh St would go to USC instead of bringing Boise St to Columbus where they'd pee themselves in front of a crowd that large ?

I don't even see a Vanderbilt or Miss St hiding from a team like Boise St.

Where's your proof that 10 teams have turned down games ?

[weekapaugjz]

That's just simply ridiculous. Nobody is dodging Boise St.

You think UF wouldn't rather play Boise St at home than play Miami or FSU on the road ?

Tennessee would rather go to the state of California than play Boise St in Knoxville ?

Oh St would go to USC instead of bringing Boise St to Columbus where they'd pee themselves in front of a crowd that large ?

I don't even see a Vanderbilt or Miss St hiding from a team like Boise St.

Where's your proof that 10 teams have turned down games ?

link (http://www.idahostatesman.com/sports/story/960289.html)

but who knows if the WAC commish is blowing smoke.

[JimBeam]

Wouldn't it help his case, through media pressure, if he named the teams that have turned them down ?

I call BS.

He didn't name 10 teams because it's not true.

[ozzie]

I hate to say it, but if Boise gets passed over, they have no one to blame but themselves this year.

Margin of victory is not "supposed" to be a factor, but come on. Last night was their second nationally televised game since their opener with Oregon, and they once again failed to impress.

They escaped Tulsa with a weak 7 point win, and showed how soft they were on D last night allowing 35 to La Tech. This will likely be the last time most voters get to see them.

I'd still love to see them in a playoff if there were one... but I'm afraid that they've blown any chance of finishing as one of the top 2 teams in this bullshit NCAA run beauty pageant.

[KnoxHarrington]

I hate to say it, but if Boise gets passed over, they have no one to blame but themselves this year.

Margin of victory is not "supposed" to be a factor, but come on. Last night was their second nationally televised game since their opener with Oregon, and they once again failed to impress.

They escaped Tulsa with a weak 7 point win, and showed how soft they were on D last night allowing 35 to La Tech. This will likely be the last time most voters get to see them.

I'd still love to see them in a playoff if there were one... but I'm afraid that they've blown any chance of finishing as one of the top 2 teams in this bullshit NCAA run beauty pageant.

Yeah, one of the big lies about the BCS is that margin of victory is not a factor. As long as human polls are in the mix, it will always be.

[disneyspy]

UCF is gonna have the upset of the year today

[Snoogans]

big ten is such garbage

[Snoogans]

iowa sucks

[disneyspy]

iowa sucks

those bitches got lucky against michigan

[Snoogans]

Lets Go Nw

[disneyspy]

this perdue/michigan game is crazy

31-30 perdue,i dont think theres been a punt yet

[ozzie]

Buh bye Hawkeyes

[JimBeam]

Looks like the brilliance that is Weis/Clausen is going to pull something off in back to back games against Navy that 44 or so other teams hadn't done once.

Fairly weak personal foul call on Clausen though on his INT.

[JimBeam]

Michael Floyd has dropped at least 3 passes today that would've been for a TD or huge gain.

[TheGameHHH]

Looks like the brilliance that is Weis/Clausen is going to pull something off in back to back games against Navy that 44 or so other teams hadn't done once.

Fairly weak personal foul call on Clausen though on his INT.

seriously, please fire Charlie Weis

[hammersavage]

Michael Floyd has dropped at least 3 passes today that would've been for a TD or huge gain.

Still might be hurting. Shouldn't have played then.

Weis has got to go, his play calling within the 10 in the first half was atrocious.

[JimBeam]

I agree that maybe he's hurting but then to your point do play in the game.

The 3 drops I saw weren't even real contact issues either.

The 1 in the endzone he was too busy pushing off of the DB to actually catch the ball.

And I thought I was misrecalling it.

ND beat Navy last year but has now lost twice, at home, to them under Weis/Clausen.

[TheGameHHH]

Still might be hurting. Shouldn't have played then.

Weis has got to go, his play calling within the 10 in the first half was atrocious.

he ran the ball 3 straight times on first and goal and couldnt get in. then refused to go for the points and tried to score when they were only down 14-0 and got stopped on an incomplete pass. guess what? those 3 points look pretty big now dont they?

[Tenbatsuzen]

seriously, please fire Charlie Weis

Apparently, Carl Pavano's agent works for Weis too

[JimBeam]

There was absolutely no effort by that offensive lineman on the sack for the safety.

He essentailly ran with the rusher to Clausen instead of pushing him around.

It looked like he had a fairly good size advantage on him.

[KnoxHarrington]

Yet another SEC screwjob, this time in Alabama's favor.

[yojimbo7248]

I was busy this afternoon and assumed Oregon would take apart Stanford. What happened?! Any Ducks fans here?

[JimBeam]

It wasn't clear enough to rule that it was a pick.

LSU had their chances and blew it.

They gave up an untouched 73 yard TD to Alabama's best WR.

Why wasn't Jefferson in the game for LSU ?

[JimBeam]

I just saw that that Stanford pulled off the upset.

PAC10's Rose Bowl rep will have at the very least 2 losses.

[weekapaugjz]

cincy is going to destroy uconn. i can't believe this game is on abc right now.

[weekapaugjz]

maybe i spoke too soon.

[Snoogans]

cincy is going to destroy uconn. i can't believe this game is on abc right now.

uconn lost 4 games by 12 points total. they are like 4 plays from 8-0. They arent bad

[epo]

Navy.

[weekapaugjz]

i think i hate having to hear dave mathews band during college football as much as snoogans does hank jr and MNF.

[Snoogans]

i think i hate having to hear dave mathews band during college football as much as snoogans does hank jr and MNF.

its not so much that i hate it, i always hated the song. ITS BEEN 25 FUCKIN YEARS SAME FUCKIN SONG

[JimBeam]

All of my LSU fan friends are crying that they got jobbed on the no call INT.

I keep telling them that if they hadn't allowed one of Alabama's best players to go 73 yards untouched on a screen pass and didn't run into the punter the game might've been different.

[weekapaugjz]

i take back what i said about this game being on abc. cincy is a fun offense to watch. i like this collaros kid.

[weekapaugjz]

nice TD!

[Ritalin]

seriously, please fire Charlie Weis

No! I've never had a more enjoyable ND season. This is great.

[weekapaugjz]

cincy/uconn is turning out to be a hell of a game.

[JimBeam]

I just saw a stat on ESPN that said Notre Dame is 3-16 against teams with winning records since 2006.

Awful.

[SP1!]

I hate to say it, but if Boise gets passed over, they have no one to blame but themselves this year.

Margin of victory is not "supposed" to be a factor, but come on. Last night was their second nationally televised game since their opener with Oregon, and they once again failed to impress.

They escaped Tulsa with a weak 7 point win, and showed how soft they were on D last night allowing 35 to La Tech. This will likely be the last time most voters get to see them.

I'd still love to see them in a playoff if there were one... but I'm afraid that they've blown any chance of finishing as one of the top 2 teams in this bullshit NCAA run beauty pageant.

They have a shit schedule and have barely won some of the easier ones on that schedule, hell their coach is also the AD, if La Tech had a full time coach I bet they would win!!!!!

Seriously BSU is beyond terrible with that schedule, I hope tcu keeps winning just so we dont see them later, oh and the WAC commissioner is full of shit, he hasnt talked to anyone and if he did they would take them since boise usually get smacked on the road against good teams.

[razorboy]

Wow. The Pac-10 Is pretty much equally as bad across the board.

[epo]

I just saw a stat on ESPN that said Notre Dame is 3-16 against teams with winning records since 2006.

Awful.

Its really what makes Charlie Weis so awesome.

[razorboy]

Its really what makes Charlie Weis so awesome.

I kinf of dug his ability to change the gravitational force of Indiana.

[JimBeam]

I usually like Lou Holtz because he's an ND homer but listening to him last night on College Football Final was painful.

The argument was " Is Weis done at ND ? " and Holtz said no and was going on and on about character of players and that wins aren't everything, blah blah blah.

Sounded like the ramblings of a senile old man.

You can catch the replay today on ESPN @ 2:30.

[El Mudo]

Anyone else see Jahvid Best's horrific injury?

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Via Deadspin:

Scarier still were Best's limbs going stiff, as an analyst explained that "abnormal posturing" is a sign the brain has lost contact with the body. That's a phrase you never want to hear on an injury report. But oddly enough, that was reassuring, as it's a reaction seen in many a boxing and MMA knockout victim. And sure enough, Best suffered only a concussion, and not any spinal injuries.

As Best's uniform was literally cut off of him, and he was wheeled off with an oxygen mask as players on both sidelines prayed, we could be forgiven for fearing the worst.

[razorboy]

Anyone else see Jahvid Best's horrific injury?

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Via Deadspin:

I saw it about three times, I don't ever want to see it again. Prayers for the young man. Concussions are not a thing to take lightly.

[El Mudo]

I saw it about three times, I don't ever want to see it again. Prayers for the young man. Concussions are not a thing to take lightly.

The only other time i've ever seen the "posturing" thing is when it happened to RJ Umberger. Scary, scary stuff.

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[JimBeam]

Oregon reinstates Blount

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4637797

Well of course they did.

Dropping into a tie for the conference lead will cause you to do things like that.

[El Mudo]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4637797

Well of course they did.

Dropping into a tie for the conference lead will cause you to do things like that.


That suspension was way too stiff in the first place. He punched a guy after a tough loss and freaked out. He just had the bad timing of picking a really slow sports weekend.

[JimBeam]

I agree the punishment might have been rough but let's not brush it off as he was emotional after a loss. There were several levels of bad attitude within his outburst.

Just punching the guy would be one thing but to then start pushing and shoving his own players, coaches and security took it beyond frustration.

Then getting into it with fans while being restrained by police is another whole incident.

Should we let every player lose his cool once and while after a tough loss ?

I know they were probably going to reinstate him anyway but the timing is suspect after the upset.

[ozzie]

That suspension was way too stiff in the first place. He punched a guy after a tough loss and freaked out. He just had the bad timing of picking a really slow sports weekend.

Agreed. He sat out 8 games. He did his time, and then some. Let him play the last 3 games and a bowl game.

[JimBeam]

But do we allow everybody 1 free pass ?

If he was a student and did that at a game he'd have been arrested.

That's why I dislike the reversal.

[Snoogans]

But do we allow everybody 1 free pass ?

If he was a student and did that at a game he'd have been arrested.

That's why I dislike the reversal.

i can understand this point, but I cant understand the dropping a big conf game is why they did this. They announced they would do this long ago, long before they lost to stanford, and he was supposed to be back for stanford. I have seen 1 second of this where I ever thought anything was just to help the team. Oregon handled this right.

[El Mudo]

But do we allow everybody 1 free pass ?

If he was a student and did that at a game he'd have been arrested.

That's why I dislike the reversal.


He didn't get a free pass. He got an 8 game suspension. There's also a difference between assaulting people in the stands and being provoked and then restrained as an athletic competitor. He never got into the stands and went after anybody because he was restrained from doing so. It would have been a much different scenario if he HAD gotten into the crowd like Artest.

I agree the punishment might have been rough but let's not brush it off as he was emotional after a loss. There were several levels of bad attitude within his outburst.

Just punching the guy would be one thing but to then start pushing and shoving his own players, coaches and security took it beyond frustration.

Then getting into it with fans while being restrained by police is another whole incident.

Should we let every player lose his cool once and while after a tough loss ?

I know they were probably going to reinstate him anyway but the timing is suspect after the upset.


His team just lost a huge game that he played poorly in and one of the Boise guys was openly taunting him. How would any normal person NOT react emotionally (probably not to that degree, but still, it was a very volatile situation that would have been hard for anyone to not freak out over, especially a 22 year old kid).


But again, in a world where a blatant attempted eye gouge gets one game versus a Little Sisters of the Poor opponent, 8 games was 6 games too long.

[JimBeam]

There's also a difference between assaulting people in the stands and being provoked and then restrained as an athletic competitor.

I also disagree with that statement.

If a student in the stands punches another student, either from the same school or from another school, they'd face charges and could be expelled from school which is a lot worse than 8 games when you're tuition's still being paid.

I know it's highly unlikely that a student without a list of prior issues would get expelled but it could happen.

So because LSU lost that game Saturday on what they consider a bad call would it be justified for one of their players to go and punch Julio Jones regardless of whether or not Jones taunted him ?

Hey it was a tough emotional loss so let him get out his frustration.

Blount failed to maintain his composure several times and that's probably why his punishment was so stern.

It is true that the Spikes thing might have also been treated too lightly.

[JimBeam]

Who do you guys think is the favorite and/or who do you think will win the Heisman ?

I don't think a teams play is gonna help anybody this year so I think it's up to an individual to win it.

By that I mean I don't think the fact if UF is undefeated at the end of the year that Tebow will get points for that because his numbers are not great.

McCoy's numbers are pedestrain. I actually think Shilpey on that team could get more votes than McCoy.

Are the numbers for the kid at Houston that good ?

I guess Ingram for Alabama might have the best shot if they win the rest of their games.

[SP1!]

I agree the punishment might have been rough but let's not brush it off as he was emotional after a loss. There were several levels of bad attitude within his outburst.

Just punching the guy would be one thing but to then start pushing and shoving his own players, coaches and security took it beyond frustration.

Then getting into it with fans while being restrained by police is another whole incident.

Should we let every player lose his cool once and while after a tough loss ?

I know they were probably going to reinstate him anyway but the timing is suspect after the upset.

I understand the reinstatement and I think they should let him come back now, and to be honest, I thought the ass deserved a punch for being such a douchebag and he at least deserved a game off as well.

His biggest problem is that he went after everyone else, that shows a man out of control, he needs to show hes under control so he can make it into the NFL.

[El Mudo]

Who do you guys think is the favorite and/or who do you think will win the Heisman ?

I don't think a teams play is gonna help anybody this year so I think it's up to an individual to win it.

By that I mean I don't think the fact if UF is undefeated at the end of the year that Tebow will get points for that because his numbers are not great.

McCoy's numbers are pedestrain. I actually think Shilpey on that team could get more votes than McCoy.

Are the numbers for the kid at Houston that good ?

I guess Ingram for Alabama might have the best shot if they win the rest of their games.



McCoy. He's a star (white) QB at a big school. He'll get it over Tebow because they won't make him the next Archie Griffin, and TT's been solid this year...not necessarily spectacular.

Don't think McCoy deserves it (i'd go with Ingram), but the Heisman is what it is.

[JimBeam]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4642585

The story seems to have changed a bit from " nobody wants to play us, they're all scared " to " a few schools have declined ".

I still think it's funny that he won't mentione the names of the 5 schools that turned him down.

What harm cold come from it ?

[ozzie]

McCoy. He's a star (white) QB at a big school. He'll get it over Tebow because they won't make him the next Archie Griffin, and TT's been solid this year...not necessarily spectacular.

Don't think McCoy deserves it (i'd go with Ingram), but the Heisman is what it is.

It's becoming painfully apparent that the heisman voters are lazy fucks who can't seem to look outside of the top-10 ranked teams for candidates anymore. Tebow was the one recent exception.

If this trend holds to form, then the top three candidates are Ingram, Tebow and McCoy, and seeing how the SEC Championship game will be played before the final votes are in, the winner of that game will have a big advantage.

The award is becoming "The Best Player from a Championship Contending Team" trophy, especially in years like this when there aren't any overwhelming choices.

You have to go back to Bo Jackson to find a winner that came from an unranked team... and even then the vote was a helluva lot closer than it should have been with Chuck Long (#10 Iowa)... mainly because of AU's record that year. (That, and it wasn't Bo's best year either)

Here's where the trophy winner's team was ranked when they won:

(Where they were ranked in the final poll before the bowl games)

2008 - #1 Oklahoma - Sam Bradford
2007 - #12 Florida - Tim Tebow
2006 - #1 Ohio State - Troy Smith
2005 - #1 USC - Reggie Bush
2004 - #1 USC - Matt Leinart
2003 - #1 Oklahoma - Jason White
2002 - #4 USC - Carson Palmer
2001 - #1 Nebraska - Eric Crouch
2000 - #1 Florida State - Chris Weinke

(Not sure where they were before the bowl game, but here's where they finished)

1999 - #4 Wisconsin - Ron Dayne
1998 - #15 Texas - Ricky Williams
1997 - #1 Michigan - Charles Woodson
1996 - #1 Florida - Danny Wuerffel
1995 - #6 Ohio State - Eddie George
1994 - #3 Colorado - Rashaan Salaam
1993 - #1 Florida State - Charlie Ward
1992 - #1 Miami - Geno Torretta
1991 - #6 Michigan - Desmond Howard
1990 - #22 BYU - Ty Detmer
1989 - #14 Houston - Andre Ware
1988 - #11 Oklahoma State - Barry Sanders
1987 - #11 Notre Dame - Tim Brown
1986 - #2 Miami - Vinny Testaverde
1985 - N/R Auburn - Bo Jackson

[joeyballsack]

I still think Gordie Lockbaum got robbed of the Heisman in '87.

[ozzie]

Speaking of heisman... in an unbiased system, Dan LeFevour would have to be a solid Heisman candidate.

He's on the watch list for the Manning Award, the Davey O'Brien Award, the Maxwell Award, the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award, the Walter V. Campbell Trophy...

...why not the Heisman?

Check out his resumè (http://www.cmuchippewas.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=46371&SPID=4199&DB_OEM_ID=10500&ATCLID=344614)

And his Career Stats (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=170586)... which don't include his career rushing yards. He was second on his team in rushing yards his freshman year, and has lead his team every year since.

They're already Bowl eligible, which means he will have lead Central Michigan to four straight bowl games, and they're on their way to winning their 3rd conference title in 4 years.

What will hurt him is that, like Bo, his senior year will probably not be his statistical best year. Well, that and playing for an unranked MAC school of course.

And YES I am aware that most of his opponents have been other MAC teams, and they don't have a winning record against BCS conference opponents... blah, blah, blah... but he also plays with a MAC caliber offensive line, MAC backs and MAC receivers.

If you've seen this guy play (he's on ESPN2 right now), you have to recognize that he has the size, running ability, arm and overall skills to have had a similar career at Florida with Percy Harvin and company at the skill positions, and behind the Pouncey brothers and that line, so, to me anyway... his stats are legit.

It might not be enough to win... but he should at least have earned a trip to New York city.

[disneyspy]

just over a week til good vs evil,michigan/ohio state.during the bush years ohio state dominated the series,now we find out if our country is still an evil nation,i support the goodness of america,i support michigan,LETS GO BLUE!

[JimBeam]

Speaking of heisman... in an unbiased system, Dan LeFevour would have to be a solid Heisman candidate.

He's on the watch list for the Manning Award, the Davey O'Brien Award, the Maxwell Award, the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award, the Walter V. Campbell Trophy...

...why not the Heisman?

Check out his resumè (http://www.cmuchippewas.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=46371&SPID=4199&DB_OEM_ID=10500&ATCLID=344614)

And his Career Stats (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=170586)... which don't include his career rushing yards. He was second on his team in rushing yards his freshman year, and has lead his team every year since.

They're already Bowl eligible, which means he will have lead Central Michigan to four straight bowl games, and they're on their way to winning their 3rd conference title in 4 years.

What will hurt him is that, like Bo, his senior year will probably not be his statistical best year. Well, that and playing for an unranked MAC school of course.

And YES I am aware that most of his opponents have been other MAC teams, and they don't have a winning record against BCS conference opponents... blah, blah, blah... but he also plays with a MAC caliber offensive line, MAC backs and MAC receivers.

If you've seen this guy play (he's on ESPN2 right now), you have to recognize that he has the size, running ability, arm and overall skills to have had a similar career at Florida with Percy Harvin and company at the skill positions, and behind the Pouncey brothers and that line, so, to me anyway... his stats are legit.

It might not be enough to win... but he should at least have earned a trip to New York city.

His career numbers, including trips to bowl games, shouldn't matter.

If that was the case then Tebow would win it again.

[JimBeam]

just over a week til good vs evil,michigan/ohio state.during the bush years ohio state dominated the series,now we find out if our country is still an evil nation,i support the goodness of america,i support michigan,LETS GO BLUE!

I've never really had a favorite in this game as I hate both teams.

I used to root against the team that had to most to lose.

Now this year w/ both not in the championship picture I really don't care.

I guess I'd want a Mich win to bolster ND's status but I dislike Rodriguez so maybe it's Oh St.

[disneyspy]

I've never really had a favorite in this game as I hate both teams.

I used to root against the team that had to most to lose.

Now this year w/ both not in the championship picture I really don't care.

I guess I'd want a Mich win to bolster ND's status but I dislike Rodriguez so maybe it's Oh St.

YOU ARE AN EVIL AMERICAN!!

[JimBeam]

ND's Brown upset over 'malicious' block

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4646241

I understand his issue with the supposed illegal blocks but I don't get what his deal is with the comments on the defense.

Is he offended that the guy called him out and said they were basically unoriginal ?

I don't see how saying you expected them to do the same thing as last year is " not classy ".

[El Mudo]

That sure was prescient of him to rip Navy the day after Veterans Day.

What a dummy.

[JimBeam]

I can understand his complaint about the dirty blocks but the timing was questionable.

But I guess if the interview about the game happened yesterday he couldn't refuse to answer questions until after the holiday.

[Snoogans]

im ready for some football now.


LETS GO R U

[hammersavage]

Nice job of tackling there, USF

[Snoogans]

hammer's brother is so much better


TOM SAVAGE FOOLS

[hammersavage]

Can't wait to get that pro jersey and not have to pay for a stupid customization.

[weekapaugjz]

let's go usf!

[Snoogans]

let's go usf!

what a jerk

[weekapaugjz]

what a jerk

i actually don't care who wins, i just want it to be a good game.

[Snoogans]

fuck, McCourty being hurt would not be good

[Snoogans]

Mccourty Is A Beast Fools

[weekapaugjz]

why that usf player didn't call for a fair catch is beyond me.

[Snoogans]

jerkoffs, now they are prob gonna blow the fuckin game

[Snoogans]

brown is a faggot, but this D is on

[disneyspy]

how the hell is rutgers only up by ten? everytime i loook at the game they force a turnover and are about to score

[Snoogans]

how the hell is rutgers only up by ten? everytime i loook at the game they force a turnover and are about to score

drops and mistakes

[Snoogans]

savage is the only one on offense worth a shit

[Snoogans]

great throw by daniels

[weekapaugjz]

usf is terrible.

[Snoogans]

usf is terrible.

as is Rutgers offense

[Snoogans]

finally

[Snoogans]

rutgers is just takin it to USF tonight

[JimBeam]

Key freshmen among Vols arrested

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4647094

The story is old news by now but I love this part :

Richardson, of Pahokee, Fla., was at the center of Kiffin's dustup with Florida coach Urban Meyer last February. Richardson had been committed to Florida for some time, but switched to Tennessee on signing day. The next day, at a Tennessee recruiting breakfast, Kiffin made his comments alleging Meyer cheated to get Richardson and still wasn't able to sign him. Kiffin was reprimanded by the SEC for those comments.

[Snoogans]

my favorite is they robbed it all wearing official Tennessee football t shirts


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