2009 College Football thread

[Snoogans]

Well, Kentucky didn't give up 31 points int he first quarter this week, so that's something.

is it still 7-6?

[KnoxHarrington]

is it still 7-6?

Yeap. UK backed Alabama up to the 2 yard line on the punt, and have the ball back at midfield.

[Snoogans]

i found it. Its on MSG

[ozzie]

Well, Kentucky didn't give up 31 points int he first quarter this week, so that's something.

Kentucky D looking tough so far. Taking away the run and forcing McElroy to have to throw is working.

I've been wondering when some team was going to figure this out.

[KnoxHarrington]

I know you don't want the outstanding player on your team in any given game to be the punter, but god damn UK's punter has just kicked two great punts.

Looks like Alabama's starting on their own 1 or 2 this drive.

[Snoogans]

game over. Kentucky had to make a huge play there and couldnt. Barely, but Bama is about to put this game away i think

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm sick of pussy WR's doing that "Hey, pass interference!" thing towards the refs every time a DB is within 5 yards of them.

[Snoogans]

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark Ingram

[KnoxHarrington]

game over. Kentucky had to make a huge play there and couldnt. Barely, but Bama is about to put this game away i think

Little early to say that, but if Alabama gets a TD after having the ball on their own 2 inch line, that'll really sting.

[ozzie]

I blame that drive on K's DC.

Why go away from what was working? Why stop stunting, blitzing and playing in their backfield?

You give any D-1A QB that much time and they'll pick you apart.

[Snoogans]

Little early to say that, but if Alabama gets a TD after having the ball on their own 2 inch line, that'll really sting.

told you. Sometimes you can see the moment the flood gates open

[KnoxHarrington]

To quote Billy Packer, "This game is OVAH."

[ozzie]

Terrible interception just kept Michigan State from having a chance to take control of that game.

Hope ESPN2 is enjoying calling the Arkansas State game.

[Snoogans]

Terrible interception just kept Michigan State from having a chance to take control of that game.

Hope ESPN2 is enjoying calling the Arkansas State game.

seriously im so pissed off by that. Esp since Dolan OBVIOUSLY WOULDNT HAVE ESPNU. Assholes, all of them

[ozzie]

MSU took over on the Mich 13 yd line and had to settle for a FG.

Huge hit by Mich LB Graham.

MSU 13 - Mich 7

Got it on the Big Ten Network here. DirecTV 610 or DishNetwork 439.

[disneyspy]

once again the wolverines look like crap,but this freshman QB has that brady feel about him,LETS GO BLUE!! FUCK STATE

[ozzie]

Another bad interception by Hartline. 2rd Bama touchdown in a row off of a turnover.

This one's about to get ugly.

Think I'll stick with the Mich/MSU game.

[Snoogans]

Another bad interception by Hartline. 2rd Bama touchdown in a row off of a turnover.

This one's about to get ugly.

Think I'll stick with the Mich/MSU game.

17-13 wisc over minn on espn. Pretty lousy games right now

[disneyspy]

holy shit! just when it looked like the game was over the kid QB has a quick march down the field for a TD,michigan down by 7 with 4 minutes left in the game,way to go for it on 4th and 4 MSU

[FrogSlayer]

today at 3;30 is the first real test for the Ga. Bulldogs vs. LSU. I hope the Dogs come ready to play

[disneyspy]

YES! YES! YES! 2 seconds left the kid does it,unbelievable!:clap::clap:

[ozzie]

Going to OT in East Lansing.

Holy shit.

[Snoogans]

Going to OT in East Lansing.

Holy shit.

FUCK YOU CABLEVISION AND FUCK YOU ESPN

[KnoxHarrington]

College OT is fun, but I still think it's a stupid gimmick of a rule.

[Snoogans]

College OT is fun, but I still think it's a stupid gimmick of a rule.

the answer is between the 2 and I have it.

JUST PLAY A QUARTER. just play the full 15 minutes, whoever is winning after wins

[KnoxHarrington]

Michigan St throws an INT in the first OT.

Michigan basically just needs to line up the winning FG at this point.

[disneyspy]

fuck,INT in the endzone,c'mon D,lets go blue!

[disneyspy]

Michigan St throws an INT in the first OT.

Michigan basically just needs to line up the winning FG at this point.

your teams are reversed

[ozzie]

the answer is between the 2 and I have it.

JUST PLAY A QUARTER. just play the full 15 minutes, whoever is winning after wins

And if it's still tied? Another quarter? Or do we have tie games again?

I like Mike Golic's idea.

Play sudden death. Start with a coin toss just like the beginning of the game.

First team to score SIX points wins.

[KnoxHarrington]

Alabama faked a FG up 38-20 with about 4 minutes to go in the game.

I think that's called the "Fuck Yeah We're Gonna Run Up The Score" play.

[ozzie]

Alabama faked a FG up 38-20 with about 4 minutes to go in the game.

I think that's called the "Fuck Yeah We're Gonna Run Up The Score" play.

Saw that.

Saban has no class.

This is Saban playing to the voters who aren't watching, who will only see the score.

Florida beat Kentucky 41 - 7 (34 point spread)

He's working on the margin of victory for comparison.

A touchdown there would have made it a 25 point win.

He should realize that if they win them ALL... a title shot will take care of itself.

[El Mudo]

*whew*

Thank God Clemson is so inept on offence

[led37zep]

Oregon game isn't on TV tonight.


The Pac-10 needs their own channel!.

Make it part of a sports package, people will buy it.

[ozzie]

*whew*

Thank God Clemson is so inept on offence

Nice rebound win at home after the last two. In this conference, there's still time to make a run at a bowl game.

[ozzie]

Oregon game isn't on TV tonight.


The Pac-10 needs their own channel!.

Make it part of a sports package, people will buy it.

Yeah, I'm getting the Big Ten Network (and all the alt / affiliate channels) on DirecTV now. On Saturdays, there aren't any Big Ten games I can't get. I'm sure I'm paying extra for it somewhere.

I'd chip in to get all of the major conference channels. I'm guessing the SEC network will be the next one available.

[KnoxHarrington]

I love when a team has the stones to go for it on 4th and goal and makes it in, like Georgia just did.

[SP1!]

God why is it that UGA's offense never shows up when our defense does?

I hate these kinds of games, if our QB had better accuracy we would be up by 21

[FrogSlayer]

the first play of the game I watch on TV is Lsu scoring to take the lead. but a nice sack to stop the 2 point conversion.

Go Dawgs

[epo]

Why exactly does Charlie Weis have a job?

[FrogSlayer]

Dogs with an awesome catch to take the lead.. woof woof

[SP1!]

God I hate willie martinez and nice job by the refs to give the game away

[FrogSlayer]

Fukn dogs. I go cry now

[ozzie]

Great last quarter of football in Athens. Almost made up for the first three... almost.

Game tying FG attempt in South Bend....... it's GOOD!!! 0:06 left.

[razorboy]

Why exactly does Charlie Weis have a job?

ESPN.

[led37zep]

Yeah, I'm getting the Big Ten Network (and all the alt / affiliate channels) on DirecTV now. On Saturdays, there aren't any Big Ten games I can't get. I'm sure I'm paying extra for it somewhere.

I'd chip in to get all of the major conference channels. I'm guessing the SEC network will be the next one available.

I just paid to join the "O Zone" to watch the Oregon only feed of the game. Its the only way to watch the game outside of the state.

I wonder if USC would be the hold out to creating a Pac-10 channel. It would make sense since all of their games are broadcast on a major network. They wouldn't want to lose network money by having to sign a deal with a smaller cable channel.



By the Way...Oregon is beating the crap out of Wazzu...21-0 in the 1st Q

[Coach_Mac]

Play sudden death. Start with a coin toss just like the beginning of the game.

First team to score SIX points wins.

That would take FOREVER in the SEC.

P.S. A & M sucks.

[Crispy_Mobile]

UM = upset!

[KnoxHarrington]

Wait, did I just hear Brent Musberger praise Miami's coach for telling his players they can't have guns?

Really?

[led37zep]

I think Oregon might cover the over all by itself tonight.

The one I saw was 55..start of the 3rd they have 42.

[SP1!]

Why exactly does Charlie Weis have a job?

Because hes white.


Just wait, they keep fat boy around for one more year, then they are going to hire Meyer from florida.

[Snoogans]

FUCK YOU CLEMSON. I was counting on at least a few weeks of Mudo with that beautiful R

[TheGameHHH]

what you know bout dem Miami boys

[SP1!]

what you know bout dem Miami boys

That they beat another over rated team, thats about it.

[Snoogans]

without its starting QB

[led37zep]

Ducks Win!

52-6

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b354/led37zep/8bbc63b2-8a4d-44ec-b0c6-01170b12d78.jpg

[SP1!]

Ducks Win!

52-6
Well it was washington state, thats almost as good as a win I guess

[Crispy_Mobile]

what you know bout dem Miami boys

south beach bayside what???

[led37zep]

Well it was washington state, thats almost as good as a win I guess

Its a win in the Pac-10 standings. Just wish Cal was able to do something tonight.

[SP1!]

God can boise st fans shut up, yes right now your SOS is higher than almost everyone above you right now but by all the rest are entering the meat of their schedule, by the end of the year boise's SOS will have dropped and theirs will rocket up.

[ozzie]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/polls/120/index1

For what it's worth, here's how CBS has the SOS (to date... based on who they've played so far) ranked for the top 20...

Rk SOS School
1 - 33 - Florida
2 - 49 - Texas
3 - 31 - Alabama
4 - 30 - LSU
5 - 84 - Boise State
6 - 27 - Ohio State
7 - 4 - Virginia Tech
8 - 41 - Southern California
9 - 53 - TCU
10 - 86 - Cincinnati
11 - 8 - Miami (Fla.)
12 - 10 - Iowa
13 - 34 - Kansas
14 - 44 - Penn State
15 - 106 - Mississippi
16 - 66 - Auburn
17 - 85 - Oklahoma State
18 - 35 - Oregon
19 - 81 - Brigham Young
20 - 32 - Wisconsin

Other than Oregon, who has Boise played?

This is the first I've heard of any Boise fans bragging about their schedule.

[led37zep]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/polls/120/index1

For what it's worth, here's how CBS has the SOS (to date... based on who they've played so far) ranked for the top 20...

Rk SOS School
1 - 33 - Florida
2 - 49 - Texas
3 - 31 - Alabama
4 - 30 - LSU
5 - 84 - Boise State
6 - 27 - Ohio State
7 - 4 - Virginia Tech
8 - 41 - Southern California
9 - 53 - TCU
10 - 86 - Cincinnati
11 - 8 - Miami (Fla.)
12 - 10 - Iowa
13 - 34 - Kansas
14 - 44 - Penn State
15 - 106 - Mississippi
16 - 66 - Auburn
17 - 85 - Oklahoma State
18 - 35 - Oregon
19 - 81 - Brigham Young
20 - 32 - Wisconsin

Other than Oregon, who has Boise played?

This is the first I've heard of any Boise fans bragging about their schedule.


Everyone was expecting them to run the table after Oregon. I don't know who else is really going to put up a fight against them (Fresno St was the next best chance).

Nevada is playing decent and there could be an upset there but I highly doubt it.

9/03 No. 16 Oregon 1-0 (0-0) W 19-8
9/12 Miami (OH) 2-0 (0-0) W 48-0
9/18 @ Fresno State 3-0 (1-0) W 51-34
9/26 @ Bowling Green 4-0 (1-0) W 49-14
10/03 UC Davis 5-0 (1-0) W 34-16
10/14 @ Tulsa ESPN360.com 8:00 PM
10/25 @ Hawaii 12:05 AM
10/31 San Jose State 3:00 PM
11/06 @ Louisiana Tech ESPN360.com 8:00 PM
11/14 Idaho 3:00 PM
11/20 @ Utah State ESPN360.com 9:30 PM
11/27 Nevada ESPN360.com TBA
12/05 New Mexico State 3:00 PM

[ozzie]

Everyone was expecting them to run the table after Oregon. I don't know who else is really going to put up a fight against them (Fresno St was the next best chance).

Nevada is playing decent and there could be an upset there but I highly doubt it.

9/03 No. 16 Oregon 1-0 (0-0) W 19-8
9/12 Miami (OH) 2-0 (0-0) W 48-0
9/18 @ Fresno State 3-0 (1-0) W 51-34
9/26 @ Bowling Green 4-0 (1-0) W 49-14
10/03 UC Davis 5-0 (1-0) W 34-16
10/14 @ Tulsa ESPN360.com 8:00 PM
10/25 @ Hawaii 12:05 AM
10/31 San Jose State 3:00 PM
11/06 @ Louisiana Tech ESPN360.com 8:00 PM
11/14 Idaho 3:00 PM
11/20 @ Utah State ESPN360.com 9:30 PM
11/27 Nevada ESPN360.com TBA
12/05 New Mexico State 3:00 PM

Here's where CBS has these teams currently ranked:

#16 Oregon 1-0 (0-0) W 19-8
#118 Miami (OH) 2-0 (0-0) W 48-0
#69 @ Fresno State 3-0 (1-0) W 51-34
#96 @ Bowling Green 4-0 (1-0) W 49-14
* UC Davis 5-0 (1-0) W 34-16 (*Unranked, FCS team... and 1-3 overall)
#54 @ Tulsa
#87 @ Hawaii
#99 San Jose State
#78 @ Louisiana Tech
#50 Idaho
#115 @ Utah State
#85 Nevada
#108 New Mexico State

Average opponent rank (not including UC Davis)... #81

Nothing to brag about there.

[SP1!]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/polls/120/index1

For what it's worth, here's how CBS has the SOS (to date... based on who they've played so far) ranked for the top 20...

Rk SOS School
1 - 33 - Florida
2 - 49 - Texas
3 - 31 - Alabama
4 - 30 - LSU
5 - 84 - Boise State
6 - 27 - Ohio State
7 - 4 - Virginia Tech
8 - 41 - Southern California
9 - 53 - TCU
10 - 86 - Cincinnati
11 - 8 - Miami (Fla.)
12 - 10 - Iowa
13 - 34 - Kansas
14 - 44 - Penn State
15 - 106 - Mississippi
16 - 66 - Auburn
17 - 85 - Oklahoma State
18 - 35 - Oregon
19 - 81 - Brigham Young
20 - 32 - Wisconsin

Other than Oregon, who has Boise played?

This is the first I've heard of any Boise fans bragging about their schedule.

It was on one of the ESPN threads this weekend and I think they were using sagarin ratings which had them in the 60s or 70s while bama, texas and a few others were in the 100s.

They refused to admit that they have to play a couple hard OOC games since all their in conference games are a lot of shit teams, with their schedule, even if they go undefeated they do not deserve a shot at the national title based on that shit schedule.

And how does auburn rate a higher SOS when they have played nobody except WVU and Tennessee? And even WVU is not very good and tennessee is fucking horrible

[ozzie]

And how does auburn rate a higher SOS when they have played nobody except WVU and Tennessee? And even WVU is not very good and tennessee is fucking horrible

Higher than... who? Boise State?

I don't have the formula they use, but I'm guessing it's an average of the opponent's ranking? If so, I'm not sure what they do with D-1AA teams.

For argument's sake, let's give UC Davis a ranking of #125 nationally (which is HIGH considering there are 120 FBS schools, and they're 1-3 and lost to Montana)...

Boise State:

#16 Oregon 1-0 (0-0) W 19-8
#118 Miami (OH) 2-0 (0-0) W 48-0
#69 @ Fresno State 3-0 (1-0) W 51-34
#96 @ Bowling Green 4-0 (1-0) W 49-14
#125* UC Davis 5-0 (1-0) W 34-16 (*Unranked, FCS team... and 1-3 overall)

#84.8 - Avg Opp Rank

Auburn:

#78 La Tech - W 37 - 13
#65 Mississippi State - W 49 - 24
#35 West Virginia - W 41 - 30
#117 Ball State - W 54 - 30
#56 at Tennessee - W 26 - 22

#70.2 - Avg Opp Rank


I'm guessing it's something along those lines. Maybe some factor for playing on the road as well?

You'll never hear me bragging about Auburn's non-conference schedule, but I still think West Virginia will prove to be better than #35 by year's end. And Ball State and La Tech were bowl teams last year when they were put on the schedule. Still a shitty non-conf schedule, but so is just about everyone else's in the SEC.

I agree that Crompton sucks, and Tennessee is struggling on Offense, but their D is stout, and Auburn still put up 459 yards (224 on the ground) in Knoxville... and that was being conservative after they had a comfortable lead.

26 is the most points Tennessee has given up all year. Florida could only manage 23 points and 323 total yards in Gainsville.


I still don't put a whole lot of stock in the bullshit rankings, therefore I don't worry too much about things like SOS rankings either.

Still a long way to go before we have to start worrying about any of this.

[El Mudo]

I agree that Crompton sucks, and Tennessee is struggling on Offense, but their D is stout, and Auburn still put up 459 yards (224 on the ground) in Knoxville... and that was being conservative after they had a comfortable lead..


Considering how bad they were last year, Gus Malzahn is a genius.

I wonder how long before he gets his own program? The next big job opening is FSU, but they're hiring Fisher. Maybe Notre Dame if they fire Weis?

[ozzie]

Considering how bad they were last year, Gus Malzahn is a genius.

I wonder how long before he gets his own program? The next big job opening is FSU, but they're hiring Fisher. Maybe Notre Dame if they fire Weis?

If he follows the path of Chizik and Muschamp, he'll leave us for another "higher profile" coordinator position (Texas? Like the other two did?) for a year, then get a HC job.

Auburn is paying him around $350k, and all of the contracts are incentive laden, so he may make more this year.

Regardless, he's worth more, and he'll be getting all kinds of offers. I'm not sure what it would take to keep him, but I hope AU does everything in their power to keep him here.

But yeah, it's just a matter of time before he's offered a HC job. Bobby Petrino (who we face this Saturday) went a similar route. He was only at AU for one year as well before landing the HC job at Louisville.

I would think that Notre Dame would be looking for someone with HC experience.

Malzahn may be a little too soft-spoken and humble to be a HC. I would love it if he stayed as the highest paid OC in college football. Hell, give him "asst HC" title if that's what it takes.

[Snoogans]

Higher than... who? Boise State?

I don't have the formula they use, but I'm guessing it's an average of the opponent's ranking? If so, I'm not sure what they do with D-1AA teams.

For argument's sake, let's give UC Davis a ranking of #125 nationally (which is HIGH considering there are 120 FBS schools, and they're 1-3 and lost to Montana)...

Boise State:

#16 Oregon 1-0 (0-0) W 19-8
#118 Miami (OH) 2-0 (0-0) W 48-0
#69 @ Fresno State 3-0 (1-0) W 51-34
#96 @ Bowling Green 4-0 (1-0) W 49-14
#125* UC Davis 5-0 (1-0) W 34-16 (*Unranked, FCS team... and 1-3 overall)

#84.8 - Avg Opp Rank

Auburn:

#78 La Tech - W 37 - 13
#65 Mississippi State - W 49 - 24
#35 West Virginia - W 41 - 30
#117 Ball State - W 54 - 30
#56 at Tennessee - W 26 - 22

#70.2 - Avg Opp Rank


I'm guessing it's something along those lines. Maybe some factor for playing on the road as well?

You'll never hear me bragging about Auburn's non-conference schedule, but I still think West Virginia will prove to be better than #35 by year's end. And Ball State and La Tech were bowl teams last year when they were put on the schedule. Still a shitty non-conf schedule, but so is just about everyone else's in the SEC.

I agree that Crompton sucks, and Tennessee is struggling on Offense, but their D is stout, and Auburn still put up 459 yards (224 on the ground) in Knoxville... and that was being conservative after they had a comfortable lead.

26 is the most points Tennessee has given up all year. Florida could only manage 23 points and 323 total yards in Gainsville.


I still don't put a whole lot of stock in the bullshit rankings, therefore I don't worry too much about things like SOS rankings either.

Still a long way to go before we have to start worrying about any of this.

i cant rank auburn that high simply cause WV handed you a win. you should have 1 loss

[JimBeam]

The strength of schedule has to be a combination of opponents and opponents opponents schedules.

It's the only thing that would explain LSU being so high.

They're getting credit for Washington's win over USC.

There's no way ULL and Miss St are making LSU the #30 toughest schedule.

Actually are those standings entire schedule or schedule to date ?

If it reflects LSU's entire schedule I would actually expect it to be a bit higher based on where the teams they have yet to play are ranked.

[Snoogans]

The strength of schedule has to be a combination of opponents and opponents opponents schedules.

It's the only thing that would explain LSU being so high.

They're getting credit for Washington's win over USC.

There's no way ULL and Miss St are making LSU the #30 toughest schedule.

Actually are those standings entire schedule or schedule to date ?

If it reflects LSU's entire schedule I would actually expect it to be a bit higher based on where the teams they have yet to play are ranked.

its always the schedule to date. That shit will change so much

[Snoogans]

ozzie will like this:

And finally, we have a Dash apology to Auburn coach Gene Chizik (15): "Gene, The Dash suspected you might have been the shakiest head-coaching hire since Greg Robinson (16) when you were named last year to replace Tommy Tuberville. Now that you're 5-0, it's time to say The Dash was wrong. There are plenty of losable games left for the Tigers, but you're one win from bowl eligibility and looking good. Meanwhile, the man many people wanted to get the job, Buffalo's Turner Gill (17), is 1-4 -- though it should be noted that the Bulls lost all-time leading rusher James Starks to a shoulder injury before the season started. Gill is still a good coach. But so are you, Gene. War Eagle, and so forth."

[ozzie]

The strength of schedule has to be a combination of opponents and opponents opponents schedules.

It's the only thing that would explain LSU being so high.

They're getting credit for Washington's win over USC.

There's no way ULL and Miss St are making LSU the #30 toughest schedule.

Actually are those standings entire schedule or schedule to date ?

If it reflects LSU's entire schedule I would actually expect it to be a bit higher based on where the teams they have yet to play are ranked.

Maybe this will help figure out what they're basing it on...

Here's their ranking of the top 25 toughest schedules so far:

SOS School W L
# 1 Fresno State ( 1 - 3 )
# 2 Arizona ( 3 - 1 )
# 3 Washington ( 2 - 3 )
# 4 Virginia Tech ( 4 - 1 )
# 5 Arkansas ( 2 - 2 )
# 6 Michigan State ( 2 - 3 )
# 7 Illinois ( 1 - 3 )
# 8 Miami (Fla.) ( 3 - 1 )
# 9 Florida State ( 2 - 3 )
# 10 Iowa ( 5 - 0 )
# 11 Georgia ( 3 - 2 )
# 12 Mississippi State ( 2 - 3 )
# 13 La.-Lafayette ( 2 - 2 )
# 14 Oklahoma ( 2 - 2 )
# 15 Wake Forest ( 3 - 2 )
# 16 Duke ( 2 - 3 )
# 17 Tennessee ( 2 - 3 )
# 18 West Virginia ( 3 - 1 )
# 19 California ( 3 - 2 )
# 20 San Jose State ( 1 - 3 )
# 21 Clemson ( 2 - 3 )
# 22 North Carolina State ( 3 - 2 )
# 23 Louisiana Tech ( 2 - 2 )
# 24 Arkansas State ( 1 - 3 )
# 25 Virginia ( 1 - 3 )

[ozzie]

i cant rank auburn that high simply cause WV handed you a win. you should have 1 loss

Auburn did actually "force" a few of those turnovers, and pretty much shut them down after the first quarter. 71 of Devine's 128 yards came on one carry in the 1st Qtr. Gotta give them a little credit.

[Snoogans]

Maybe this will help figure out what they're basing it on...

Here's their ranking of the top 25 toughest schedules so far:

SOS School W L
# 1 Fresno State ( 1 - 3 )
# 2 Arizona ( 3 - 1 )
# 3 Washington ( 2 - 3 )
# 4 Virginia Tech ( 4 - 1 )
# 5 Arkansas ( 2 - 2 )
# 6 Michigan State ( 2 - 3 )
# 7 Illinois ( 1 - 3 )
# 8 Miami (Fla.) ( 3 - 1 )
# 9 Florida State ( 2 - 3 )
# 10 Iowa ( 5 - 0 )
# 11 Georgia ( 3 - 2 )
# 12 Mississippi State ( 2 - 3 )
# 13 La.-Lafayette ( 2 - 2 )
# 14 Oklahoma ( 2 - 2 )
# 15 Wake Forest ( 3 - 2 )
# 16 Duke ( 2 - 3 )
# 17 Tennessee ( 2 - 3 )
# 18 West Virginia ( 3 - 1 )
# 19 California ( 3 - 2 )
# 20 San Jose State ( 1 - 3 )
# 21 Clemson ( 2 - 3 )
# 22 North Carolina State ( 3 - 2 )
# 23 Louisiana Tech ( 2 - 2 )
# 24 Arkansas State ( 1 - 3 )
# 25 Virginia ( 1 - 3 )

i cant believe rutgers didnt make this

[Snoogans]

Auburn did actually "force" a few of those turnovers, and pretty much shut them down after the first quarter. 71 of Devine's 128 yards came on one carry in the 1st Qtr. Gotta give them a little credit.

I agree, and I was more impressed by it before I started watching WV do the exact same shit every game. Its more WV problem, so it seems, than what the defenses have done

[ozzie]

i cant believe rutgers didnt make this

The more I look at the list, the more subjective I think it is.

I wasn't surprised by them putting Fresno's schedule at the top with them having played three ranked teams (two of those on the road)...

..but then I looked at who Arizona had played, and gave up on this "SOS" ranking bullshit.

[JimBeam]

Why is the Saturday night game on ABC Mich/Iowa ?

Please don't tell me a national viewing audience wants to see that.

[SP1!]

There is no way WVU is 35, have you seen their schedule?

And please UT is not that great on defense, they basically proved that this year florida is very beatable, they have teeblow and no one else that will hurt them. Next year florida is going to be in a lot of trouble with all the defensive losses next year as well as teeblow going to the CFL.

Monte was always great at shutting down vick so the fact that teebow got shut down doesnt surprise me, they have a decent secondary and a below average line.

[ozzie]

Why is the Saturday night game on ABC Mich/Iowa ?

Please don't tell me a national viewing audience wants to see that.

And they're up against Florida @ LSU. I don't see big ratings for ABC Sat night.

If they HAD to pick a Big 10 game for primetime, I would have thought they'd have chosen Wisconsin @ Ohio State.

[El Mudo]

If he follows the path of Chizik and Muschamp, he'll leave us for another "higher profile" coordinator position (Texas? Like the other two did?) for a year, then get a HC job.

Auburn is paying him around $350k, and all of the contracts are incentive laden, so he may make more this year.

Regardless, he's worth more, and he'll be getting all kinds of offers. I'm not sure what it would take to keep him, but I hope AU does everything in their power to keep him here.

But yeah, it's just a matter of time before he's offered a HC job. Bobby Petrino (who we face this Saturday) went a similar route. He was only at AU for one year as well before landing the HC job at Louisville.

I would think that Notre Dame would be looking for someone with HC experience.

Malzahn may be a little too soft-spoken and humble to be a HC. I would love it if he stayed as the highest paid OC in college football. Hell, give him "asst HC" title if that's what it takes.


Muschamp's the OCoordinator at Texas, and will be taking over for Mack Brown when he's done, but no one knows when that will be. I can't really see the OCoordinator job at Texas being a huge step up from Auburn though (seems more like a lateral move). Plus, it makes him look that much better that he's killed at two different SEC schools.

Why is the Saturday night game on ABC Mich/Iowa ?

Please don't tell me a national viewing audience wants to see that.

ESPN loves the Big 10. Besides, the big game that night is LSU/Florida.

But other than that, I think Michigan/Iowa would actually be a good game to watch. Tate Forcier is fun to watch, and Iowa is a pretty good team (they're 5-0), Ricky Stanzi's awfulness notwithstanding.

[JimBeam]

ESPN loves the Big 10. Besides, the big game that night is LSU/Florida.

Yeah but they love the SEC more.

They probably want the UF/LSU viewers on ESPN itself and are throwing ABC the bone.

[ozzie]

There is no way WVU is 35, have you seen their schedule?


Coaches, AP, CBS and Harris Poll all have them ranked about the same (#34 - #36). Talk to them.

And please UT is not that great on defense

Monte was always great at shutting down vick so the fact that teebow got shut down doesnt surprise me, they have a decent secondary and a below average line.

We'll find out more about their D this Saturday.

[Snoogans]

The more I look at the list, the more subjective I think it is.

I wasn't surprised by them putting Fresno's schedule at the top with them having played three ranked teams (two of those on the road)...

..but then I looked at who Arizona had played, and gave up on this "SOS" ranking bullshit.

i was joking. Rutgers OOC sched this year is 2 FCS schools, FIU, Army and Maryland

[ozzie]

Muschamp's the OCoordinator at Texas, and will be taking over for Mack Brown when he's done, but no one knows when that will be. I can't really see the OCoordinator job at Texas being a huge step up from Auburn though (seems more like a lateral move). Plus, it makes him look that much better that he's killed at two different SEC schools.

Actually, Muschamp is the DC at Texas. Same as Chizik.

And, yeah, most Auburn people were insulted that both made "lateral moves" to go to Texas. I think Chizik did it to get experience in the Big 12, hoping for a HC opportunity in that conference (which he got at Iowa State).

And Muschamp is playing the same waiting game behind Mack Brown that Jimbo Fisher (another former AU assistant) is playing at FSU.

I guess it's worth the wait to these guys with the promise of inheiriting a big name program one day.

If Muschamp had still been at AU last year (when the shit hit the fan with Tuberville), there's no doubt that he'd be Auburn's head coach right now, and I'm pretty sure Jimbo has had Head Coaching offers from other schools as well.

[ozzie]

Yeah but they love the SEC more.

They probably want the UF/LSU viewers on ESPN itself and are throwing ABC the bone.

CBS has the UF/LSU game, and the Bama/Ole Miss game that afternoon.

[JimBeam]

So the UF/LSU game is a night one on CBS ?

I can't remember CBS ever doing a night game.

Usually they make them reschedule the game for 3ish.

[SP1!]

Coaches, AP, CBS and Harris Poll all have them ranked about the same (#34 - #36). Talk to them.
Based on who they have played that is bullshit, they have played auburn, thats it and they were shitty last year, their SOS should be in the 100s based on who they have currently played.

We'll find out more about their D this Saturday.

Two things will happen saturday, if UGA's defense that has shown up the past two weeks shows up next week it will be a blowout and if UGA's offense that played against SC and ARK shows up then it will be a blowout.

If only one shows up then it may be a close game, but Im pretty sure it will be easy to say our defense will play well against a crappy O-line and QB, also the offense will do well since king(no heart) is out and samuels and ealey will get the carries and I think hes the future star RB of those coming out. Richt pisses me off giving playing time to those that have been there longer, who cares if they cant play? Its like cox, hes inconsistent so get someone else a chance, if nothing else it lights a fire under cox's ass or you could find the next star.

[Snoogans]

Based on who they have played that is bullshit, they have played auburn, thats it and they were shitty last year, their SOS should be in the 100s based on who they have currently played.



.

its not based on who they have played only. Its based on the entire schedule as it stands through this moment. The teams ahead count but if they play like shit in other games, your strength will get worse

[SP1!]

its not based on who they have played only. Its based on the entire schedule as it stands through this moment. The teams ahead count but if they play like shit in other games, your strength will get worse

Well thats not what I heard about sagarin, he only rates it on a weekly basis which would rank most lower since they have played mostly crap teams so far, hell I dont think florida has played anyone decent and have only played what 2 games against Div I-A opponents?

They should stop that shit and say you have to play all the games against I-A or you dont get into a bowl game.

[ozzie]

So the UF/LSU game is a night one on CBS ?

I can't remember CBS ever doing a night game.

Usually they make them reschedule the game for 3ish.

They do it once or twice a year. Last year they put the same LSU @ Florida game in primetime.

CBS has first pick of the SEC games, and the option to take two or three a week a few times a year.

Around Thanksgiving, they usually carry three games or so between Friday and Saturday.

Their usual start time is 2:30 (Central), but they've been known to sneak in an 11:00 game as well, and make it a doubleheader.

It sucks because they've been abusing their "6 Day Notice" right a lot this year, meaning that we don't know until the Sunday before, which game they'll carry... which means ESPN and the rest can't announce their games until CBS makes their pick(s).

It makes it harder to plan trips later in the year because you don't know until less than a week before whether the game will be played at 11:00... 11:21 (SEC net)... 2:30... 6:45... 8:00...

[El Mudo]

They do it once or twice a year. Last year they put the same LSU @ Florida game in primetime.

CBS has first pick of the SEC games, and the option to take two or three a week a few times a year.

Around Thanksgiving, they usually carry three games or so between Friday and Saturday.

Their usual start time is 2:30 (Central), but they've been known to sneak in an 11:00 game as well, and make it a doubleheader.

It sucks because they've been abusing their "6 Day Notice" right a lot this year, meaning that we don't know until the Sunday before, which game they'll carry... which means ESPN and the rest can't announce their games until CBS makes their pick(s).

It makes it harder to plan trips later in the year because you don't know until less than a week before whether the game will be played at 11:00... 11:21 (SEC net)... 2:30... 6:45... 8:00...


The SEC Net and ESPN killed the 11am Jefferson Pilot game, which is kinda sad.

[ozzie]

Based on who they have played that is bullshit, they have played auburn, thats it and they were shitty last year, their SOS should be in the 100s based on who they have currently played.

No, they are ranked around #34 in the polls. Sagarin has their SOS at #58.

From his site: "The SCHEDULE ratings represent the average schedule difficulty faced
by each team in the games that it's played so far."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm?loc=interstitialskip

I'm not even going to begin to try to understand the "ELO-CHESS" ratings this early in the morning.


Two things will happen saturday, if UGA's defense that has shown up the past two weeks shows up next week it will be a blowout and if UGA's offense that played against SC and ARK shows up then it will be a blowout.

If only one shows up then it may be a close game, but Im pretty sure it will be easy to say our defense will play well against a crappy O-line and QB, also the offense will do well since king(no heart) is out and samuels and ealey will get the carries and I think hes the future star RB of those coming out. Richt pisses me off giving playing time to those that have been there longer, who cares if they cant play? Its like cox, hes inconsistent so get someone else a chance, if nothing else it lights a fire under cox's ass or you could find the next star.

If Crompton and his receivers ever get in synch, they'll be able to score points. So far, it hasn't happened. And I still think you're underestimating their defense.

Good to know about King. Auburn went after him pretty hard, and folks were disappointed when he went to UGA.

I agree that Ealey seems to be the future.

[ozzie]

The SEC Net and ESPN killed the 11am Jefferson Pilot game, which is kinda sad.

That's what I thought too, but it looks like the SEC "network" has picked up Dave Neal, and their games have the same sound and feel to them... and their start time is the same.

Look around your channels, and you might be able to still find it. I think last week Snoogans found the Bama/Kentucky game on MSG.

This week it's UGA @ UT.

I'd start by looking at the same channel that carried the old Jefferson Pilot (or Lincoln Financial... aka Raycom...) games. Here it's on the same channel.

SEC Network Info
The SEC has replaced Raycom Sports (Jefferson Pilot / Lincoln Financial) regional broadcasts with the SEC Network or ERTV (ESPN Regional Television). Many of the SEC Network affiliates will remain the same as Raycom, but quite a few have been added outside of the south. The SEC has a good overview of what channels will be carrying SEC football games for the 11:21 a.m. kickoff, but for the most part it covers cable only:
ESPN Regional TV and SEC Introduce 'SEC Network' (http://www.secsports.com/news/espn-regional-tv-and-sec-introduce-sec-network-.aspx)

[SP1!]

No, they are ranked around #34 in the polls. Sagarin has their SOS at #58.

From his site: "The SCHEDULE ratings represent the average schedule difficulty faced
by each team in the games that it's played so far."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm?loc=interstitialskip

I'm not even going to begin to try to understand the "ELO-CHESS" ratings this early in the morning.
I just dont understand how their SOS is that high, its nice to know that Liberty, East Carolina, Auburn, Colorado gives you a 58 SOS, I am now starting to wonder why UGA has to schedule harder teams since even playing shit teams will get you ranked in the top 10. Besides I still think that anyone that schedules a Division I-AA team should be automatically disqualified from any NC contention.

If Crompton and his receivers ever get in synch, they'll be able to score points. So far, it hasn't happened. And I still think you're underestimating their defense.

Good to know about King. Auburn went after him pretty hard, and folks were disappointed when he went to UGA.

I agree that Ealey seems to be the future.
King may turn out ok, it just seems he gives up too quickly on runs that could be broken, after being spoiled my knowshon for the past few years its sad. Ealey seems to be like that old style that never seem to give up and always churn for more yardage. I am still shocked that LSU wasnt given a personal foul penalty on that hit yet they called celebrating penalty at the end, he broke the kids jaw with a helmet to helmet hit but he didnt get a penalty called. I am starting to agree with other fans that the refs have it in for us since the florida game penalty.

[ozzie]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm?loc=interstitialskip

If it makes you feel better, Sagarin has Georgia as having played the 3rd toughest schedule so far.

I'm going to take a crack and doing a little reading into this "ELO-CHESS" thing, as it seems that is a factor in the BCS rankings.

[El Mudo]

That's what I thought too, but it looks like the SEC "network" has picked up Dave Neal, and their games have the same sound and feel to them... and their start time is the same.

Look around your channels, and you might be able to still find it. I think last week Snoogans found the Bama/Kentucky game on MSG.

This week it's UGA @ UT.

I'd start by looking at the same channel that carried the old Jefferson Pilot (or Lincoln Financial... aka Raycom...) games. Here it's on the same channel.


Yeah....they get picked up locally here on Comcast Sportsnet for some reason. In the afternoons CSN picks up the FSN PAC 10 or Big 12 regional games (and the late night PAC 10/Big 12 regional games). The ACC Jefferson Pilot (I refuse to call it Raycom) game gets picked up by the local CW affiliate.

[SP1!]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm?loc=interstitialskip

If it makes you feel better, Sagarin has Georgia as having played the 3rd toughest schedule so far.

I'm going to take a crack and doing a little reading into this "ELO-CHESS" thing, as it seems that is a factor in the BCS rankings.

It doesnt, we could have played a shit schedule and been ranked in the top 10

[JimBeam]

I think last week Snoogans found the Bama/Kentucky game on MSG.

This was the CBS game in the Northeast I believe.

I think Snoogans was saying that he found the Mich St/Mich game on MSG.

[ozzie]

i found it. Its on MSG

No, it was Bama/Kentucky on the SEC network. This was 1:18 EDT, while KnoxHarrington and I were talking about the UK game... before the CBS game came on.

If fact I ended up switching off our local channel and watching it on MSG on DirecTV (634) trying to get it in HD.

The Mich/MSU game was only on the Big Ten Network, and Snoogans was pissed because he couldn't get it.

[ozzie]

This was the CBS game in the Northeast I believe.

I think Snoogans was saying that he found the Mich St/Mich game on MSG.

CBS doesn't do the "regional coverage" games like ABC does. Their games are on all CBS affiliates.

Last week CBS had the LSU/Georgia game at 2:30 CDT. Bama/UK was only on the SEC network at 11:21 CDT.

[Snoogans]

No, it was Bama/Kentucky on the SEC network. This was 1:18 EDT, while KnoxHarrington and I were talking about the UK game... before the CBS game came on.

If fact I ended up switching off our local channel and watching it on MSG on DirecTV (634) trying to get it in HD.

The Mich/MSU game was only on the Big Ten Network, and Snoogans was pissed because he couldn't get it.

ozzie is right. I didnt have mich mich st and MSG did carry that bama kentucky game

[Snoogans]

what a shame:



As state and university budgets continue to shrink due to the worldwide recession, many schools around the country have begun looking for ways to generate revenue from within. And one of the most lucrative sources of cash is being found within the athletic department.

"We slaughtered Bevo and sold his meat for $2,119," said Texas head football coach Mack Brown. "That's cash-in-hand for our athletic department. That's enough to keep our women's diving team going for three years, with some money left over to fund field hockey, too."

In addition to Bevo's meat, Texas sold his hide to a tannery for $475 and auctioned off his head to a football booster for an undisclosed sum.

"When the decision was made that Bevo was going to be slaughtered, I knew I had to get his head," said Tommie Davis, an oilman who graduated from Texas in 1967. His final bid bested one put together by a group of Oklahoma fans. "I've got it mounted atop my the fireplace in my great room now. I couldn't be prouder."

Other schools have followed Texas' lead, such as Baylor killing their live bear mascot, Judge, and LSU doing the same to Mike The Tiger. LSU raised additional funds by selling $100 tickets for a Mike The Tiger hunt.

"I understand how this can be a little emotional for some fans. But if and when the economy turns around, we'll just buy another Tiger," said LSU head football coach Les Miles. "They've got, literally, dozens of them in Africa. It's not that big of a deal. It's too bad our current one had to die. But I know I'll never forget the rush that I got when I shot him behind the ears. There's a lot of blood in a tiger!"

Still more schools plan to follow suit with their mascots, although a few are feeling resistance.

"We would have sold off parts of Uga months ago," says Damon Evans, Georgia's director of athletics. "But we don't have the same luxury many of these schools do. Kill a steer, kill a bear, kill a tiger -- fine. But try to kill a dog and sell it's meat and hide and people freak out. Well, that's fine, but then we're going to lose our women's cross country team. Is that what they want?"

Then there are schools like Penn State who are facing resistance of another kind.

"I don't want to die," says Steve Smenko, a junior sociology major who plays the Nittany Lion. "But the board of trustees is voting tonight and then I'll find out my fate. I wish I would have listened to my parents and never become the mascot."

[ozzie]

"We would have sold off parts of Uga months ago," says Damon Evans, Georgia's director of athletics. "But we don't have the same luxury many of these schools do. Kill a steer, kill a bear, kill a tiger -- fine. But try to kill a dog and sell it's meat and hide and people freak out. Well, that's fine, but then we're going to lose our women's cross country team. Is that what they want?"

I'd buy some UGA meat.

http://realgoodolboy.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/uga.jpg

[Snoogans]

I'd buy some UGA meat.

http://realgoodolboy.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/uga.jpg

you can:

http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/images/20090713-chinese-spare-ribs.jpg

[SP1!]

I'd buy some UGA meat.

http://realgoodolboy.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/uga.jpg

Dont be bitter.



Where was that article? The Onion?

[Snoogans]

Dont be bitter.



Where was that article? The Onion?

sportspickle.com its DJ Gallo site

[SP1!]

Ahhhhh..


And ozzie where do you really see this auburn team, you seem more rational than most auburn fans, most of whom just made fun of me for UGA dropping out of the rankings.

I just kept telling them, enjoy your week there.

[SP1!]

Ok now give us back our win (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4540282)

Ugggh sucks for him but deion is advising quite a few college athletes for picking out agents so this looks really bad for Dez.

[ozzie]

Ahhhhh..


And ozzie where do you really see this auburn team, you seem more rational than most auburn fans, most of whom just made fun of me for UGA dropping out of the rankings.

I just kept telling them, enjoy your week there.

AU's depth is for shit right now. Auburn is a few key injuries away from ending the season with a string of losses.

That being said, assuming everyone stays healthy, they're still not able to substitute often on D. Fatigue will be a factor a few times this year. They're undersized at LB and the D-line doesn't get much push. A team like Bama, LSU or UGA will exploit any gap mistake their front 7 makes.

A lot of speed on D, but after 5 weeks of film collected now on this team, someone will soon spot the weaknesses.

I'm completely sold on Gus Malzahn though. They get to the line so quickly and he has a good 15 seconds to eval the D formation and make quick adjustments. The "meerkat" looks to the sideline get irritating at times, but you know that Gus has seen something and is changing to take advantage of a mismatch. And the way he practices, their execution has been nearly flawless. The WR's are blocking very well which is creating a lot of space with his screens, reverses and pitch outs. For the first time in years, teams are having to spread out and cover the whole field not knowing what's coming.

They're also struggling a bit on special teams. Got a good kicker in Byrum, but kickoff and punt coverages are weak. They don't have the luxury of playing any starters with their depth issues. Also having big time problems catching punts and in their punt protection. Mistakes here could lead to a loss or two.

So, the big question is, which teams Auburn will be able to out-score the rest of the year.

With the exception of Furman (embarrassing), there's no one left on their schedule that they'll be able to shut down for four quarters.

And if f'ing Chris Todd doesn't start looking off his receivers, I'm going to personally smack him. It's pretty obvious where he's going on every play, and he's forcing a lot of throws.

We'll find out a lot more about this team this Saturday. First day game of the year (and an EARLY one at that), and only the second time on the road. Arkansas has not been running the ball effectively, just relying on Mallett. AU's secondary is going to get a workout, and if they don't find a way to put pressure on him, it could be a bad day. This is the first of a few that I'm afraid they're going to have to out-score the opponent to have a chance to win.

Watching film and game prep is what Petrino does best, and why so many have taken a chance on him as a HC. Chizik worked with him at AU when they were both coordinators, so hopefully he's working with Roof on coming up with stunts and blitzes they haven't shown so far. Gotta find a way to get pressure this week.

[SP1!]

Finally an honest fan, yeah thats about what I see AU as as well, decent but their main problem last year was no guidance this year they just need more people to get to that great level.

[Snoogans]

Deion Sanders, let it fuckin go man. You cant play anymore, so stop tryin to be part of it. None of these guys give a fuck about you. Stick to sellin hot dog machines

[JimBeam]

CBS doesn't do the "regional coverage" games like ABC does. Their games are on all CBS affiliates.

Last week CBS had the LSU/Georgia game at 2:30 CDT. Bama/UK was only on the SEC network at 11:21 CDT.

That's right. I was confused.

I think CBS showed the Arkansas/Alabama game the prior week.

[Snoogans]

nice heads, South Florida (http://blogs.tampabay.com/usf/2009/10/fsu-usf-didnt-ask-to-use-logo-on-billboard.html)

[El Mudo]

nice heads, South Florida (http://blogs.tampabay.com/usf/2009/10/fsu-usf-didnt-ask-to-use-logo-on-billboard.html)

"We were not asking for it to be taken down. We're not going to rain on their parade," said Sherri Dye, FSU's trademark licensing director. "I understand where they're coming from. We were there 20 years ago."

BURN.

[Snoogans]

anyone gonna watch this Nebraska Missouri game tonight?

[ozzie]

anyone gonna watch this Nebraska Missouri game tonight?

Of course.

I haven't really had a chance to see Nebraska play this year. Only saw Mizzou against Illinois in their opener and against Nevada.

[SP1!]

Deion Sanders, let it fuckin go man. You cant play anymore, so stop tryin to be part of it. None of these guys give a fuck about you. Stick to sellin hot dog machines
Deion has always been an attention whore in case you havent noticed, he would parade around when he made a play then try to find someone to blame when he couldnt make a tackle. God I hated him.

anyone gonna watch this Nebraska Missouri game tonight?
Yeah, might as well we have $200 riding on picks this weekend.

How sad is it that nebraska has fallen to a thursday night game, wasnt it just 10-15 years ago they were always in the title hunt?

[ozzie]

How sad is it that nebraska has fallen to a thursday night game, wasnt it just 10-15 years ago they were always in the title hunt?

All of the BCS conferences have played (or will) on Thursday night this year except the Big 10.

I don't think it's a bad idea for the school or the conference to have a national college football audience to yourself. Most of us are in the habit now of tuning in on Thursday and Friday nights to see who's playing.

9/3 - South Carolina at North Carolina State & Oregon at Boise State
9/10 - Clemson at Georgia Tech
9/17 - Georgia Tech at Miami
9/24 - Ole Miss at South Carolina
10/1 - Colorado at West Virginia

Here's the rest of the ESPN Thursday Night schedule this year:

10/15 - Cincinnati at South Florida
10/22 - Florida State @ North Carolina
10/29 - North Carolina at Virginia Tech
11/5 - Virginia Tech at East Carolina
11/12 - South Florida at Rutgers
11/19 - Colorado at Oklahoma State
11/26 (Thanksgiving Day) - Texas at Texas A&M
12/3 - Oregon State at Oregon

[SP1!]

And most are teams no one really cares about or is in the title hunt, as I said how sad is it that nebraska has fallen so far.........

[ozzie]

most are teams no one really cares about or is in the title hunt

12 of the current top 25 ranked teams have or will play on Thursday night.


9/3 - #25 South Carolina at North Carolina State & Oregon at #6 Boise State
9/10 - Clemson at #22 Georgia Tech
9/17 - Georgia Tech at #11 Miami
9/24 - #20 Ole Miss at South Carolina
10/1 - Colorado at West Virginia
10/8 - #21 Nebraska at #24 Missouri

Here's the rest of the ESPN Thursday Night schedule this year:

10/15 - #8 Cincinnati at #23 South Florida
10/22 - Florida State @ North Carolina
10/29 - North Carolina at Virginia Tech
11/5 - Virginia Tech at East Carolina
11/12 - South Florida at Rutgers
11/19 - Colorado at #15 Oklahoma State
11/26 (Thanksgiving Day) - #2 Texas at Texas A&M
12/3 - Oregon State at #13 Oregon

[Snoogans]

this game blows

[ozzie]

this game blows

Yup. Hard to blame it all on the weather either. If these are two of the best Big 12 North teams... looks like another year the team that wins the South wins this conference.

[SP1!]

12 of the current top 25 ranked teams have or will play on Thursday night.
Again, no one cares about any of those teams and the texas game doesnt count because its on thanksgiving, its not a real thursday its a holiday.

Outside of UT none of those teams even have a remote shot at the NC, boise wont make it because of SOS, by the end of the season they will be about the same place.

[Snoogans]

Again, no one cares about any of those teams and the texas game doesnt count because its on thanksgiving, its not a real thursday its a holiday.

Outside of UT none of those teams even have a remote shot at the NC, boise wont make it because of SOS, by the end of the season they will be about the same place.

yea no one cares about anyone but your team and your teams conference. Go away

[razorboy]

nice heads, South Florida (http://blogs.tampabay.com/usf/2009/10/fsu-usf-didnt-ask-to-use-logo-on-billboard.html)

Translated: WAAAAAAHHHHHH.

[Ritalin]

Some nice UFL action over on Versus.

Be a part of history.

Go Las Vegas!

[KnoxHarrington]

yea no one cares about anyone but your team and your teams conference. Go away

The real point here is that the Thursday night game isn't the dumping ground of jobber colleges from loser conferences anymore. It's a prominent, national game.

Sure, you're probably still going to see the best game of the week saved for Saturday night, but the Thursday night game is usually two pretty solid teams.

[ozzie]

Some nice UFL action over on Versus.

Be a part of history.

Go Las Vegas!

Great. The ONE fucking channel that DirecTV doesn't carry anymore.

Some bullshit between them and Comcast.

www.directv.com/versus (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/article.jsp?assetId=P6220002)

As bad as this game is tonight, I was going to check it out.

[Snoogans]

this is sure a fun one now. How quickly it can be

[El Mudo]

Seems like Mizzou and Nebraska always play a wacky game

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[Ritalin]

Some nice UFL action over on Versus.

Be a part of history.

Go Las Vegas!

AND VEGAS WINS!

One for one, baby!

[SP1!]

The real point here is that the Thursday night game isn't the dumping ground of jobber colleges from loser conferences anymore. It's a prominent, national game.

Sure, you're probably still going to see the best game of the week saved for Saturday night, but the Thursday night game is usually two pretty solid teams.

No its the dumping ground for teams that want to be seen on a national stage where if they play those games on Saturday nobody would pay much attention to those games.

Name me one thursday game that would be a game the entire nation would have to watch?

[ozzie]

this is sure a fun one now. How quickly it can be

Looks like I tapped out too soon. I got sidetracked on trying to find out how to get the Versus channel.

Now how will I ever see Harvard @ Yale?

[SP1!]

Looks like I tapped out too soon. I got sidetracked on trying to find out how to get the Versus channel.

Now how will I ever see Harvard @ Yale?

Yeah I went to bed early as well, it was a boring game though.


And I didnt even realize direcTV quit carrying VS

[JimBeam]

nice heads, South Florida (http://blogs.tampabay.com/usf/2009/10/fsu-usf-didnt-ask-to-use-logo-on-billboard.html)

Yeah maybe they'll be considered part of the " Big 3 " when they win a BCS bowl game or a national title as all of those others have done.

[ozzie]

Yeah maybe they'll be considered part of the " Big 3 " when they win a BCS bowl game or a national title as all of those others have done.

My initial question was... who is welcoming them to the "club"?

Wasn't this a billboard that USF put up?

And yeah, at this point, FIU and FAU have as much right as USF to consider themselves part of the "club" now that they're all D-1A programs.

[Snoogans]

My initial question was... who is welcoming them to the "club"?

Wasn't this a billboard that USF put up?

And yeah, at this point, FIU and FAU have as much right as USF to consider themselves part of the "club" now that they're all D-1A programs.

I dont even think FIU or FAU have won a game yet this year. BUMS. FIU has a decent backup QB though. They should get him on the field a bit more

[Snoogans]

No its the dumping ground for teams that want to be seen on a national stage where if they play those games on Saturday nobody would pay much attention to those games.

Name me one thursday game that would be a game the entire nation would have to watch?

relax chief. There isnt a game between very many teams at all that the whole country would want to watch. Most of the Thursday games this week have been pretty good. Why hate on a team for wanting to play on a thursday night? Again, im sorry, I forgot that the only team that matters is yours.


And the highest rated thursday night football game ever is between 2 big east teams

[ozzie]

And the highest rated thursday night football game ever is between 2 big east teams

I'm guessing... this? November 9, 2006?

http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/crowd-rushes-field.jpg

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/pho/co_aahr184_8x10~rutgers-stadium-posters.jpg

That was a fun night, and I didn't have any dog in that fight whatsoever.

[Snoogans]

I'm guessing... this? November 9, 2006?

http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/crowd-rushes-field.jpg

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/pho/co_aahr184_8x10~rutgers-stadium-posters.jpg

That was a fun night, and I didn't have any dog in that fight whatsoever.

I was in Manheim PA for work watching it in a hotel bar and going NUTS. Everyone there thought I was insane

[SP1!]

relax chief. There isnt a game between very many teams at all that the whole country would want to watch. Most of the Thursday games this week have been pretty good. Why hate on a team for wanting to play on a thursday night? Again, im sorry, I forgot that the only team that matters is yours.


And the highest rated thursday night football game ever is between 2 big east teams

Again, youre putting words in my mouth, I never said my teams were all that mattered, what I said were teams that are no longer relevant to the national picture play on thursday night and that is true.

That is discounting the thanksgiving game since its a holiday. Most teams only play there to get themselves a national stage since they dont have it anymore, its why I commented that nebraska has fallen far since they used to always be a national game of the week.

And why does it surprise you that rutgers would hold the record for the highest watched game? It got most of the NE and I would be interested in to what those ratings actually were, I would be willing to bet they were pretty low in comparison for a prime time college game.

BTW, what happened to rutgers mowing through the big east and winning the division?

[El Mudo]

Again, youre putting words in my mouth, I never said my teams were all that mattered, what I said were teams that are no longer relevant to the national picture play on thursday night and that is true.

That is discounting the thanksgiving game since its a holiday. Most teams only play there to get themselves a national stage since they dont have it anymore, its why I commented that nebraska has fallen far since they used to always be a national game of the week.

And why does it surprise you that rutgers would hold the record for the highest watched game? It got most of the NE and I would be interested in to what those ratings actually were, I would be willing to bet they were pretty low in comparison for a prime time college game.

BTW, what happened to rutgers mowing through the big east and winning the division?


Not necessarily. A lot of teams are tied into Saturday games through tradition, and i'm sure there would be some advantages to playing prime time thursday than prime time during early saturday evening or saturday afternoon

[SP1!]

yea no one cares about anyone but your team and your teams conference. Go away

Funny my conference(and I use that term loosely since I only say that because the team I root for is there) is the one that always has the prime time games, dont hate because the big least is relegated to thursday nights and saturday after noon games on espn 360.

Teams on thursday nights are there for a couple of reasons: 1) To help their school with recruiting and get publicity for their school or 2) To help the conference raise their stature and to help their schools with recruitment.

You will rarely see a big name school play in thursday nights but hey keep arguing it proves jersey fans dont know shit about football.

Not necessarily. A lot of teams are tied into Saturday games through tradition, and i'm sure there would be some advantages to playing prime time thursday than prime time during early saturday evening or saturday afternoon

Again, name one team that is relevant to the national picture and there are a lot of saturday traditions that are gone now so who ever pays the most will get the game.

[Snoogans]

wow tennessee is puttin it on georgia

[Snoogans]

Funny my conference(and I use that term loosely since I only say that because the team I root for is there) is the one that always has the prime time games, dont hate because the big least is relegated to thursday nights and saturday after noon games on espn 360.

Teams on thursday nights are there for a couple of reasons: 1) To help their school with recruiting and get publicity for their school or 2) To help the conference raise their stature and to help their schools with recruitment.

You will rarely see a big name school play in thursday nights but hey keep arguing it proves jersey fans dont know shit about football.



it proves Jersey fans dont know shit about football because 1 person said its not embarrassing to play on thursday night? Yea that makes sense.

Funny that Va Tech, Ok State, Florida State, Texas all play Thursday nights this year. Yea no one knows any of those schools. Especially Texas, what a bunch of bums they are.

Oregon St vs Oregon is a thursday night, and how bout those SEC teams that met on thursday night when Ole Miss lost to South Carolina. STOP IT. You are living in 1985 now. Thursday night is a slot for big games now cause TV wants more big games and TV brings the money. Stop being bitter and angry and acting like what the people within 10 miles of you think is what everyone thinks.

[Snoogans]

I hope WV blows this. What a joke they are. Hold on to the fuckin ball for once

[epo]

I don't know if I hate a school more than THE Ohio State University.

[KnoxHarrington]

UK leading South Carolina 17-14 at the half. If UK holds on, it'll be the first time UK has ever beaten any Steve Spurrier-coached team. He's 16-0 against UK.

Ahh, what am I kidding. UK will lose this game by 30, like last year when they had the lead going into the 4th quarter.

Maybe if UK wanted to have a chance against Spurrier, they should have scheduled the Redskins while he coached them.

[Snoogans]

how is tennessee beating Georgia?

[Snoogans]

I cant believe I actually have to route for the fuckin Badgers

[red_red_red]

I cant believe I actually have to route for the fuckin Badgers
you'll root for them and like it dammit

go badgers!

[Ritalin]

I don't know if I hate a school more than THE Ohio State University.


More than Notre Dame?

[FrogSlayer]

how is tennessee beating Georgia?

like a redheaded step child
OUCH

[ozzie]

how is tennessee beating Georgia?

I said it after the AU game, Tennessee was better than they'd shown.

They gave up ZERO offensive TD's today.

[ozzie]

What the hell has gotten into Virginia?

I can't figure out the ACC at all. I thought last year was confusing.

BC looked decent against FSU, then didn't even show up today.

Now, somehow, FSU is favored over GT tonight.

[epo]

More than Notre Dame?

Good point. I was just being irrational on gameday.

[KnoxHarrington]

Good point. I was just being irrational on gameday.

THE Ohio State University has annoying fans, but they do not have the irrational corp of media hacks detailing their fantasies about being sodomized by Charlie Weis and Jimmy Clausen every week that Notre Dame does.

I don't understand why media people do this, especially around college sports. Don't they realize this embarrassing brown-nosing probably does more harm than good to the object of their desire?

[epo]

THE Ohio State University has annoying fans, but they do not have the irrational corp of media hacks detailing their fantasies about being sodomized by Charlie Weis and Jimmy Clausen every week that Notre Dame does.

I don't understand why media people do this, especially around college sports. Don't they realize this embarrassing brown-nosing probably does more harm than good to the object of their desire?

ESPN, most notably Lou Holtz is a fucking embarassment on this topic. I wish them all great bodily harm.

[KnoxHarrington]

Wow, was that Florida-LSU game a total snoozer.

And Tebow doesn't do much of anything at all in this game, and gives LSU a tiny bit of life at the end with one of the stupidest interceptions I've seen in a game ever.

[KnoxHarrington]

And of course, even off a mediocre game, Tebow gets Player of the Game.

What is this, the Special Olympics? He gets a medal for showing up?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Rich Rod's face on that turnover may be my new favorite thing ever.

[SP1!]

how is tennessee beating Georgia?
Because we have the worst coach in all of Div I-A coaching our defense, their subpar offense looks like it had a heisman candidate back there with his piss poor coaching, Im done with them for the year and if hes not fired I wont even watch next year.

I said it after the AU game, Tennessee was better than they'd shown.

They gave up ZERO offensive TD's today.
You havent paid attention as to how bad our QB really is, but then again hes a red head and they arent good at anything. Its like hes the only one that can handle the ball and richt cant or refuses to realize he sucks, the real pisser around here is that he has said hes rewarding him for his service.

[ozzie]

Wow, was that Florida-LSU game a total snoozer.

And Tebow doesn't do much of anything at all in this game, and gives LSU a tiny bit of life at the end with one of the stupidest interceptions I've seen in a game ever.

As inept as the LSU offense looked (again), I'm curious to see where they end up in the polls today. I doubt they fall as far as they should.

Florida may lose another couple of votes to Bama, but obviously will stay at the top.

Arkansas comes to Gainsville this week. Very similar situation to last year when they lost at home to Ole Miss.

Coming off a win on the road, playing an improving team with a few losses that may be overlooked.... upset alert?

[SP1!]

Arkansas is not that good, it was just a crappy auburn team that finally played a decent team so they looked great, arkansas tried to do that to georgia but they couldnt stop them, that should tell you what kind of defense arkansas really has.

[Aggie]

:glurps: We're trying really hard. We have 2 true freshman on our O line and lots of freshman in other positions. At least we don't look pathetic but it's still no fun to lose.

[JimBeam]

how is tennessee beating Georgia?

Because Georgia is terrible.

They barely beat a weak ASU team and then coughed one up to a not very good LSU team at home.

[KnoxHarrington]

I have the feeling that somewhere, in the offices of the BCS, there's a lot of cheering going on for Tulsa right about now.

[Snoogans]

im just glad this game is in Tulsa and I dont have to see that awful fuckin field

[ozzie]

As you're watching this, keep in mind that this is the same Tulsa team that lost 45 - 0 to OU without Bradford.

Even if Boise wins this game, the voters are watching, and this could drop them from MNC contention.

[Snoogans]

As you're watching this, keep in mind that this is the same Tulsa team that lost 45 - 0 to OU without Bradford.

Even if Boise wins this game, the voters are watching, and this could drop them from MNC contention.

tulsa better win so it doesnt matter

[KnoxHarrington]

For the first time in my life, I chose the rest of the world's football over America's football. I watched most of the 2nd half of the US/Costa Rica game.

And, holy shit, what a finish.

[ozzie]

For the first time in my life, I chose the rest of the world's football over America's football. I watched most of the 2nd half of the US/Costa Rica game.

And, holy shit, what a finish.

Had to follow the Boise game on ESPN gamecast because I couldn't turn off soccer either.

[SP1!]

As you're watching this, keep in mind that this is the same Tulsa team that lost 45 - 0 to OU without Bradford.

Even if Boise wins this game, the voters are watching, and this could drop them from MNC contention.
They should never be in contention, they play a crap schedule. If Oregon wouldnt have shit the bed against them they would never even be considered for NC.

For the first time in my life, I chose the rest of the world's football over America's football. I watched most of the 2nd half of the US/Costa Rica game.

And, holy shit, what a finish.
There is a reason why soccer is now on espn2, an actual interesting sport is going on now.

[Snoogans]

Cincy needs to calm down

[Snoogans]

receivers have been insane tonight. Pike is out with a left wrist injury. Decent game so far but i hope USF gets back in to make it fun

[Snoogans]

Schiano is a pussy. THROW DOWNFIELD. Let savage throw it

[Snoogans]

Savage looks good. Schiano is a fag. The Defense is gettin way too tired now. Pitt might put it away right here

[Snoogans]

no one is watching?

[Snoogans]

why do you LET JABU throw?

[Snoogans]

you bums disappoint me

[Snoogans]

I feel a little better about Rutgers and the Big East as a whole after watchin this Texas Oklahoma game. So awful

[KnoxHarrington]

I feel a little better about Rutgers and the Big East as a whole after watchin this Texas Oklahoma game. So awful

Yeah, this game is a total borefest so far.

And I wonder if, in a lot of ways, rivalries are bad for schools. You know that Bradford would not have played today if OU was playing Rice. But it's Texas, it's the rival, so they rush him back, and he's probably fucked his shoulder up again.

[KnoxHarrington]

I flipped over to the Wisconsin/Iowa game, and it's already at the half. This OU/Texas game is gonna go at least 4 hours.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, this game is a total borefest so far.

And I wonder if, in a lot of ways, rivalries are bad for schools. You know that Bradford would not have played today if OU was playing Rice. But it's Texas, it's the rival, so they rush him back, and he's probably fucked his shoulder up again.

but bradford played last week

[Snoogans]

Cincy USF would murder these teams i think. WV and Pitt would win close ones cause of turnovers, and Rutgers might even have a shot the way these 2 are playin right now

[disneyspy]

i'm lovin the ass whoopin perdue is giving Overated state

[KnoxHarrington]

but bradford played last week

Oops. Never mind.

Good luck getting any quarterback of NFL caliber to stay for their senior year after what's happened to Tebow and Bradford this year, though.

[Ritalin]

i'm lovin the ass whoopin perdue is giving Overated state

me too.

Go USC!

Please stop this Clausen for Heisman nonsense.

[Snoogans]

both these teams blow

[foodcourtdruide]

both these teams blow

I've never seen so many bad turn overs.

[Ritalin]

There's one

[Ritalin]

Charlie Weis, football "genius", resorting to high school plays.

Line up and play, Fainting Irish. What's next, the fumblerooski?

[KnoxHarrington]

Attention, all college football announcers: I am willing to admit that Tim Tebow is a good quarterback. I don't think he has a chance at any sort of career in the NFL, but he's a good college quarterback. A very good one.

You don't have to keep telling me that.

[KnoxHarrington]

And I love how the CBS announcers went out of their way to explain how Florida's last fumble wasn't Tebow's fault.

Yeah, it was a shitty snap, and the running back didn't do a good job adjusting, but Tebow couldn't have done anything? Really?

[Ritalin]

Arkansas is getting jobbed by the refs in this game. Two awful calls in a row. Whoever called that roughing
penalty on 96 should be fired. I'm not kidding. Fired.

[KnoxHarrington]

Florida scores a touchdown after they're handed 30 yards from back to back bullshit penalties.

[paulisded]

Daneilson and Lundquist are embarrassing. They treat a 2 yard Tebow run like it's the greatest play ever, and make excuses for every sack or fumble. You could just hear the sadness when Arkansas went up by a touchdown. Luckily, the refs are there to hand the game back to Florida.

[Ritalin]

Can't blame the refs. Tejada missed 2
makeable kicks.

[Ritalin]

Cmon SC. Don't let them back in.

Haden just said Claussen has done a good job throwing it away. What a handjob.

[KnoxHarrington]

Arkansas got fucking raped.

And this sideline announcer twat immediately starts out sucking Tebow's cock.

Why the hell am I so angry? It's Florida and Arkansas. I hate both of these teams.

[Ritalin]

Now the refs are trying to give one to ND

[epo]

Now the refs are trying to give one to ND

Not even the refs can help Charlie Weis win. The fact that Weis has a job is a joke.

[Mitch&Murray]

Not even the refs can help Charlie Weis win. The fact that Weis has a job is a joke.



He has never won a big game since he's gotten there.
And can we stop with the Jimmy Clausen Heisman talk now?

[paulisded]

Arkansas got fucking raped.

And this sideline announcer twat immediately starts out sucking Tebow's cock.

Why the hell am I so angry? It's Florida and Arkansas. I hate both of these teams.

Yeah, I hated that "Tim had to carry the team on his back" bullshit. Really? How about the back who ran for 20 or so yards. Or the nice catches that sustained the drive?

[SP1!]

Cincy USF would murder these teams i think. WV and Pitt would win close ones cause of turnovers, and Rutgers might even have a shot the way these 2 are playin right now
Im sorry the big 12 has better defenses than anyone in the big east right now, cincy looks good but would probably get murdered by OU and Texas, rutgers wouldnt even get past the 20 yard line.

Arkansas got fucking raped.

And this sideline announcer twat immediately starts out sucking Tebow's cock.

Why the hell am I so angry? It's Florida and Arkansas. I hate both of these teams.
Yeah me too, I so wished florida would have lost today

[FrogSlayer]

I wished against Fla with everything I had. At least I had the cheap UGA win against Vandy.

[SP1!]

I wished against Fla with everything I had. At least I had the cheap UGA win against Vandy.

Yeah, I just hope it didnt salvage willie martinez's job, I swear to all that is holy, if they keep him on next year I will not watch one single game of theirs, sorriest coach in all of football at any level.


Yes, even pop warner.

[ozzie]

Arkansas comes to Gainsville this week. Very similar situation to last year when they lost at home to Ole Miss.

Coming off a win on the road, playing an improving team with a few losses that may be overlooked.... upset alert?

Arkansas is not that good, it was just a crappy auburn team that finally played a decent team so they looked great, arkansas tried to do that to georgia but they couldnt stop them, that should tell you what kind of defense arkansas really has.

Yeah, guess I was WAY off on that one.

[epo]

He has never won a big game since he's gotten there.
And can we stop with the Jimmy Clausen Heisman talk now?

I'm sure Lou Holtz still thinks that Notre Dame can win the national title with Claussen winning the Heisman.

[SP1!]

Yeah, guess I was WAY off on that one.

You cant sit there and tell me that you honestly think this is the same florida offense that was on the field before teeblow got hurt? He is playing a little timid and protecting himself from hits instead of taking them on full force.

Arkansas has a nice QB but their defense sucks, hell even shitty joe cox put up a ton of points against them.

Since teebow got injured florida looks very beatable, but with their schedule they should skate by

[JimBeam]

UF is #1 in 1st BCS standings :

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/10238202_37_1.pdf

[ozzie]

UF is #1 in 1st BCS standings :

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/10238202_37_1.pdf

USC was a bit of a surprise down at #7 after both the Harris and Coaches had them at #4.

I'm not complaining... jussayn.

No other real shocks until I got down to Wisconsin? And Arizona?

The computers must really love these two. I'd love for someone to show me the math that put these two into the top 25.

[El Mudo]

I don't understand those two myself. Wisconsin has beaten Minnesota by 3 points, and Michigan State by a TD. Other than that, they got pummeled by Ohio State and lost by 10 to Iowa. They needed two OTs to beat Fresno, and only beat Northern Illinois by a touchdown. Why are they in the rankings at all?

I guess they like Arizona for beating Central Michigan (who beat Michigan State, and are 6-0), and beating Oregon State and Stanford. Their only two losses are to Iowa and Washington, which really aren't bad losses.

Oregon is living proof that if you lose, lose EARLY. They're sitting pretty at 11 with only one PAC 10 team ahead of them (Southern Cal, who lost their game in-conference).

Another team who's position I love is Boise State's. Alabama and Florida will eliminate one of themselves in the SEC title game (if not beforehand), and Texas is FAR from a sure thing through the rest of the Big 12 (they have road games in Columbia this week, Stillwater next week, have a tricky game against Baylor in Waco and have a home game against Kansas in the next monf).

Boise, meanwhile, finishes out the season with the murderers row of Hawaii, San Jose State, Louisiana Tech, Idaho, Utah State, Nevada, and New Mexico State. Since they're already ranked so highly in the BCS, if they win out, they'll be in the National Title game.

[JimBeam]

Herbstreit also questioned how low USC was.

There was a bit of a heated debate on one college show I watched last night regarding Boise St.

Herbstreit/Howard were saying that if Boise wants to be treated as an elite program it has to schedule games against the top teams in the country.

Herbstreit says that they can't expect to get a home/home series against teams in the tops of the the BCS conferences.

Musburger essentially said that they've been trying to get games and that other teams are dodging them.

So Herbstreit said " I find it hard to believe that Urban Meyer and UF would be afraid to play Boise St in Gainesville. "

El Mudo, I don't think that Boise St's waltzing into the title game as easily as you think.

Firstly their BCS standing will go nowhere but down as they play the rest of their schedule and if Oregon loses to USC it'll take that much of a bigger hit.

Meanwhile unless UF and/or Bama lose more than 1 game they will more than likley get one of the spots.

That would leave a Texas, USC or a possible Iowa team, providing they win out, as the other team.

Even a Cincinnati team, if they continue to play well and the others lose, could sneak into the game before Boise St.

Boise St still needs a lot of help.

[El Mudo]

Herbstreit also questioned how low USC was.

There was a bit of a heated debate on one college show I watched last night regarding Boise St.

Herbstreit/Howard were saying that if Boise wants to be treated as an elite program it has to schedule games against the top teams in the country.

Herbstreit says that they can't expect to get a home/home series against teams in the tops of the the BCS conferences.

Musburger essentially said that they've been trying to get games and that other teams are dodging them.

So Herbstreit said " I find it hard to believe that Urban Meyer and UF would be afraid to play Boise St in Gainesville. "

El Mudo, I don't think that Boise St's waltzing into the title game as easily as you think.

Firstly their BCS standing will go nowhere but down as they play the rest of their schedule and if Oregon loses to USC it'll take that much of a bigger hit.

Meanwhile unless UF and/or Bama lose more than 1 game they will more than likley get one of the spots.

That would leave a Texas, USC or a possible Iowa team, providing they win out, as the other team.

Even a Cincinnati team, if they continue to play well and the others lose, could sneak into the game before Boise St.

Boise St still needs a lot of help.


USC is a one loss team that only has one marquee win over Ohio State. I'll give you Notre Dame if you press me, but the pummeling of Cal doesn't look as good any longer, and neither does the win over Ohio State. None of the 6 teams in front of them have lost, and Iowa has played a really good schedule. You can debate whether they should be ahead of
Cincinattah, but I don't think they should.

I'd say Southern Cal is right where they should be.


I think half of Boise's battle is getting out in front this early. I think what's hurt them in the past is that they HAVEN'T been in this position in the past, and I don't think this time they will take a one loss Iowa or a one loss Texas over them. I think it becomes heated if it comes down to a one loss Alabama or Florida (who's only loss is in the SEC title game) or Boise, but again, those games are so late in the year that they aren't going to get love in the human polls that quickly off a loss.

[SP1!]

Herbstreit also questioned how low USC was.

There was a bit of a heated debate on one college show I watched last night regarding Boise St.

Herbstreit/Howard were saying that if Boise wants to be treated as an elite program it has to schedule games against the top teams in the country.

Herbstreit says that they can't expect to get a home/home series against teams in the tops of the the BCS conferences.

Musburger essentially said that they've been trying to get games and that other teams are dodging them.

So Herbstreit said " I find it hard to believe that Urban Meyer and UF would be afraid to play Boise St in Gainesville. "

El Mudo, I don't think that Boise St's waltzing into the title game as easily as you think.

Firstly their BCS standing will go nowhere but down as they play the rest of their schedule and if Oregon loses to USC it'll take that much of a bigger hit.

Meanwhile unless UF and/or Bama lose more than 1 game they will more than likley get one of the spots.

That would leave a Texas, USC or a possible Iowa team, providing they win out, as the other team.

Even a Cincinnati team, if they continue to play well and the others lose, could sneak into the game before Boise St.

Boise St still needs a lot of help.

Yeah 100% agree with you, boise state needs everyone to lose at least twice for them to get in just on the basis of their schedule, they have played one decent team this year and thats it. There will be plenty of teams left with just one or no losses so there is virtually no way they will get in and then we get to hear all year about how they were shut out and there should be an investigation!!!!!!!!!

I have been telling boise fans the same thing kirk said play the top tier teams on their home fields and win a few times, after than then you can make an argument that they should do a home/home and get a spot in the NC game. Until then they are just a team who gets up for one game but doesnt have to grind out a tough schedule, in the SEC, big 12, big 10, hell even the big east they would be 3rd or 4th at best.

[JimBeam]

USC is a one loss team that only has one marquee win over Ohio State.

Yes and if they beat Oregon then they both they and Boise St have the same win with the exception that USC will have played a much tougher schedule just based on the fact that they are in a BCS conference and played tougher non-conference games.

If Oh St and ND win out that'll be 2 teams w/ 10-2 records on USC's scheulde.

Boise St won't be able to claim anything like that.

Outside of a complete failure by either UF or Alabama that taints the possible SEC title game matchup one of the 2 will be in the BCS title game.

Here's a strange but possible sceanrio.

The SEC title game is close w/ the loss being the only one for the losing team and all the other teams behind them have a loss or an embarassing loss.

There's a possibility that the standings could project a reamatch.

It's unlikely and I wouldn't agree with it but I could see it happeneing.

[El Mudo]

Yes and if they beat Oregon then they both they and Boise St have the same win with the exception that USC will have played a much tougher schedule just based on the fact that they are in a BCS conference and played tougher non-conference games.

If Oh St and ND win out that'll be 2 teams w/ 10-2 records on USC's scheulde.


Boise St won't be able to claim anything like that.

Outside of a complete failure by either UF or Alabama that taints the possible SEC title game matchup one of the 2 will be in the BCS title game.

Here's a strange but possible sceanrio.

The SEC title game is close w/ the loss being the only one for the losing team and all the other teams behind them have a loss or an embarassing loss.

There's a possibility that the standings could project a reamatch.

It's unlikely and I wouldn't agree with it but I could see it happeneing.

But none of that has happened yet. We're talking about the rankings NOW as to why Southern Cal is ranked 7th. Everything else is all hypothetical.

I see Boise getting the poll love NOW that they've never had before at this point in the season, and I don't think the human poll rankings will really go down all that much (if at all), especially since there's a lot of love for them among the writers. The computer numbers will go down, but I don't think it will go down enough to completely offset how high they're going to be in the human polls.

[JimBeam]

Here's Mark Schlabach's opinion on a few of the points :

Could we have an Alabama-Florida rematch in Pasadena?

It seems unlikely, and Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany might threaten secession from the BCS if it happened. The last such scenario happened in 2006, when No. 1 Ohio State defeated No. 2 Michigan 42-39 in the teams' regular-season finale.

Two weeks later, after UCLA upset No. 2 USC 13-9 and No. 4 Florida beat Arkansas 38-28 in the SEC championship game, the Gators jumped to No. 2 in the final BCS standings. The one-loss Gators, instead of the one-loss Wolverines, got a shot at the undefeated Buckeyes. Florida blasted Ohio State 41-14 in the BCS title game.

The Crimson Tide have a sizable advantage (.0615 points) over No. 3 Texas in the initial BCS standings. The gap between Alabama and No. 4 Boise State is more than twice as large (.1443). So if the No. 3 Longhorns lose one of their final six regular-season games, an SEC rematch in Pasadena might not be completely out of the question.

Does Boise State really have a chance to play for the BCS championship?

It would probably take a doomsday scenario for the teams from BCS conferences for it to happen. For Boise State to reach the BCS Championship Game, there could be only one unbeaten team from the ranks of Alabama, Florida, Texas, Cincinnati, Iowa and TCU. And even that scenario might not be enough for the Broncos to reach Pasadena.

Even if Boise State finished the regular season with a 12-0 record, it might be passed by one-loss teams such as USC, LSU and Miami.

The Broncos are No. 4 in the BCS standings, but it's hard to imagine them going any higher because of their future schedule strength (104th, according to the NCAA). They lost 17 points in the coaches' poll last week, even after winning at Tulsa 28-21.

The good news for Boise State? It has seven more chances to impress voters and the computers (the Broncos play a 13-game regular-season schedule because they play at Hawaii). The bad news? Its remaining seven opponents have a combined record of 19-25.

Boise State really needs No. 8 TCU to lose. The Horned Frogs would probably pass the Broncos in the BCS standings if they win at No. 16 BYU on Saturday and beat No. 18 Utah at home Nov. 14.

Only one team from a non-BCS league is guaranteed a spot in a BCS bowl game -- if it finishes in the top 12 of the final BCS standings, or in the top 16 and is ranked ahead of one of the six champions of the BCS leagues.

Does Cincinnati or Iowa have a better chance of reaching Pasadena?

Based on schedule strength, the Hawkeyes seem to be in a much better position than the Bearcats. Iowa has played the country's ninth-toughest schedule, according to the NCAA, and it's getting a lot of mileage out of its nonconference victory over No. 22 Arizona and road win at No. 13 Penn State.

Iowa plays only five more games, starting Saturday at improving Michigan State. The Hawkeyes' future schedule is ranked No. 36 by the NCAA and they could get a big bump by winning at No. 19 Ohio State on Nov. 14, too.

Cincinnati's schedule strength (tied-67th, according to the NCAA) is worse than Boise State's, which is surprising. The Bearcats have already won at Oregon State and South Florida. The Bearcats can make up ground by beating No. 23 West Virginia at home Nov. 13 and No. 20 Pittsburgh in their Dec. 5 regular-season finale. But Cincinnati's future schedule is ranked 80th-toughest in the country, according to the NCAA.

[Willi Cicci]

Let me save everyone the drama.

It's going to be Texas vs the SEC champion, for the National Championship.

[MHasegawa]

Let me save everyone the drama.

It's going to be Texas vs Alabama, for the National Championship.

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[El Mudo]

Let me save everyone the drama.

It's going to be Texas vs the SEC champion, for the National Championship.


Texas isn't good enough to get through the rest of their schedule undefeated. There are just too many opportunities for them to trip up.

[Willi Cicci]

fixed Yea, I'd go with Bama too.

[Willi Cicci]

Texas isn't good enough to get through the rest of their schedule undefeated. There are just too many opportunities for them to trip up.
What are these "too many opportunities for them to trip up" that you speak of?

at Missouri ... Missouri hasn't beat a division 1 team with a winning record this season.

at Oklahoma St. ... The only real chance for Texas to "trip up". But Oklahoma St. is now without the best WR in college football(Dez Bryant).

vs UCF ... Enough said.

at Baylor ... Enough said.

vs Kansas ... Kansas has no shot at Texas.

at Texas A&M ... Enough said.

Big 12 Championship game vs the winner of the Nebraska/Kansas game ... A chance to "trip up", but Texas would have to really beat themselves in order to lose.

It's very smooth riding for Texas to the National Championship game after beating Oklahoma!

[El Mudo]

What are these "too many opportunities for them to trip up" that you speak of?

at Missouri ... Missouri hasn't beat a division 1 team with a winning record this season.

at Oklahoma St. ... The only real chance for Texas to "trip up". But Oklahoma St. is now without the best WR in college football(Dez Bryant).

vs UCF ... Enough said.

at Baylor ... Enough said.

vs Kansas ... Kansas has no shot at Texas.

at Texas A&M ... Enough said.

Big 12 Championship game vs the winner of the Nebraska/Kansas game ... A chance to "trip up", but Texas would have to really beat themselves in order to lose.

It's very smooth riding for Texas to the National Championship game after beating Oklahoma!


Missouri and Oklahoma State are both road games, which are NEVER a sure thing. Neither is the A&M game, because rivalry games that seem like sure things can end up being losses (see Pitt/West Virginia a few years ago, when the Mountaineers were 28 point favorites, probably would have gone to the National Title game with a win, and lost to Pittsburgh 13-9) Kansas has a really good QB in Todd Reesing, and sometimes, that's enough.

Furthermore, how many times has a "sure thing" Big 12 team lost in the title game?

Speaking of Missouri's weak schedule, other than Texas Tech and (3-3) Oklahoma (with an injured Sam Bradford and Jermaine Gresham), has Texas really played anybody that good? Their other wins are over Louisiana-Monroe, Wyoming, Texas El-Paso, and Colorado.

And no one knows what's going on with Dez Bryant...they're still waiting on the NCAA to make a ruling.

[Willi Cicci]

Missouri and Oklahoma State are both road games, which are NEVER a sure thing. Neither is the A&M game, because rivalry games that seem like sure things can end up being losses (see Pitt/West Virginia a few years ago, when the Mountaineers were 28 point favorites, probably would have gone to the National Title game with a win, and lost to Pittsburgh 13-9) Kansas has a really good QB in Todd Reesing, and sometimes, that's enough.

Furthermore, how many times has a "sure thing" Big 12 team lost in the title game?

Speaking of Missouri's weak schedule, other than Texas Tech and (3-3) Oklahoma (with an injured Sam Bradford and Jermaine Gresham), has Texas really played anybody that good? Their other wins are over Louisiana-Monroe, Wyoming, Texas El-Paso, and Colorado.

And no one knows what's going on with Dez Bryant...they're still waiting on the NCAA to make a ruling. Texas Tech and Oklahoma are pretty good wins. Most teams in college football can't match those.

A&M is a gimmie.

Sure, nothing is a sure thing. But Texas has a pretty easy road to the Championship game.

[Snoogans]

National Championship game:

Boise State vs Cincinnati

Book It

[ozzie]

Here's who I'd have in a playoff if the season ended today....

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=100&pictureid=1982

[JimBeam]

A&M is a gimmie.

As El Mudo pointed out the rivalry games are never really a " gimmie ".

Also the Big 12 title game, if they see a team for the 2nd time, could be a challenge because it's tough to beat the same team twice.

[Crispy123]

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[JimBeam]

Dick Vitale was on the radio yesterday and like he always does he said that college basketball is so much better with its championship than football.

Yeah because they play every team in their league twice, home and away.

Let's see how much complaining there would be if basketball played a 15 game schedule and Duke got upset by Ga Tech in Atlanta in the second game without a chance to play them again.

You think the selection of the final 64 would go smoothly in that scenario ?

[ozzie]

Dick Vitale was on the radio yesterday and like he always does he said that college basketball is so much better with its championship than football.

Yeah because they play every team in their league twice, home and away.

Let's see how much complaining there would be if basketball played a 15 game schedule and Duke got upset by Ga Tech in Atlanta in the second game without a chance to play them again.

You think the selection of the final 64 would go smoothly in that scenario ?

One of the excuses the BCS uses to keep the bowl system, is that they claim that having a playoff system would diminish the importance of the regular season. (Which I think is total bullshit. How the hell would playing for a playoff spot be any less important than basically playing for pride, which is all most games mean now?)

Right now with the basketball conf-tourney-winner-automatic-bid-to-the-dance system they have, their regular season is already diminished, and only counts for getting "at large" bids.

The NCAA basketball tournament is not without their own faults.

But, at least it's a fucking playoff/tournament format.

I'd much rather be arguing about who the 16th team invited is, than continue to see worthy teams shut out, or that never have a chance to begin with.

[JimBeam]

No because in my scenario the upset to Duke would hurt them as much as a USC being upset by a Washington.

A team from a lower tier basketball conference could run their table and calim to be better than a 14-1 Duke team.

So in that scenario a Duke team, which would probably beat that Ga Tech team 9 of the next 9 times, could be left out because of 1 upset loss.

[KnoxHarrington]

The ref crew from last weekend's Florida-Arkansas game has been suspended.

Referee Marc Curles' crew called a personal foul on Arkansas defensive lineman Malcolm Sheppard in the fourth quarter as the Gators were rallying for a 23-20 victory. The league said there was no video evidence to support the call.

The same group of officials called the LSU-Georgia game earlier this month, which included a late unsportsmanlike conduct penalty the league said shouldn't have been called.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/10/21/sec-officials.ap/index.html#ixzz0Uc5lKORc
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Good. I'm surprised those refs didn't start blocking for the Gators on that drive. Arkansas got fucked.

(interesting that CNNSI.com sticks a link to the article on any quote from the site now)

[Snoogans]

Dick Vitale was on the radio yesterday and like he always does he said that college basketball is so much better with its championship than football.

Yeah because they play every team in their league twice, home and away.

Let's see how much complaining there would be if basketball played a 15 game schedule and Duke got upset by Ga Tech in Atlanta in the second game without a chance to play them again.

You think the selection of the final 64 would go smoothly in that scenario ?

also, you can play 3 basketball games in a week, making a 64 team playoff realistic. If they ever make it in football, it will be 8 at most. I already figured out how to make it the best way, but fuck em if they dont listen

[ozzie]

also, you can play 3 basketball games in a week, making a 64 team playoff realistic. If they ever make it in football, it will be 8 at most. I already figured out how to make it the best way, but fuck em if they dont listen

I'll give Dick V this... at least in D-1 basketball, there are 342 schools spread out over 31 conferences, and every single one of them can qualify for a spot in the tournament just by winning their conference or conf tournament.

I wouldn't support any football playoff format in which every D-1A team didn't have a chance. And by "a chance", I don't mean 60 or so teams out there trying to impress a bunch of former players, coaches (or SID's) and "experts" for one or two spots.

Every 8-team format I've seen still ends up somehow using the fucking polls and people's opinion to decide if a team is "worthy" of a playoff spot.

If I wanted to follow a sport that decided winners by a bunch of judges, I'd follow fucking figure skating.

[JimBeam]

One step that'll make things a little easier to decide is to force the conferences without a championship game to have one.

If not then have the PAC 10 and Big 10 leaders play during that week in December when the other conference title games are happening and you'll get your Rose Bowl and a decisive winner of the 2.

You could also match the Big East and CUSA and maybe MWC and the WAC.

Something like that could work.

[ozzie]

One step that'll make things a little easier to decide is to force the conferences without a championship game to have one.

If not then have the PAC 10 and Big 10 leaders play during that week in December when the other conference title games are happening and you'll get your Rose Bowl and a decisive winner of the 2.

You could also match the Big East and CUSA and maybe MWC and the WAC.

Something like that could work.

I've got no problem at all with "play-in" games if it helps limit the field.

[SP1!]

One step that'll make things a little easier to decide is to force the conferences without a championship game to have one.

If not then have the PAC 10 and Big 10 leaders play during that week in December when the other conference title games are happening and you'll get your Rose Bowl and a decisive winner of the 2.

You could also match the Big East and CUSA and maybe MWC and the WAC.

Something like that could work.

Yeah there is no way CUSA, MAC, MWC, WAC, and sun belt deserve an automatic berth in the playoff series, if that happens you will see zero tough games played outside of conference championships since that is all that will matter anymore.

[Snoogans]

I'll give Dick V this... at least in D-1 basketball, there are 342 schools spread out over 31 conferences, and every single one of them can qualify for a spot in the tournament just by winning their conference or conf tournament.

I wouldn't support any football playoff format in which every D-1A team didn't have a chance. And by "a chance", I don't mean 60 or so teams out there trying to impress a bunch of former players, coaches (or SID's) and "experts" for one or two spots.

Every 8-team format I've seen still ends up somehow using the fucking polls and people's opinion to decide if a team is "worthy" of a playoff spot.

If I wanted to follow a sport that decided winners by a bunch of judges, I'd follow fucking figure skating.

in fairness, i brought the polls in cause they have to be.

The BCS makes the NCAA too much money, they WONT get rid of it, period. The only way a playoff works is like this:

Currently there are the 4 major bowls and then 1 gets the champ game too. They dont wanna lose those paydays, naturally.

You have to keep the BCS, you have no choice in it. So you use the BCS to get the top 8, which leaves enough spots that you will get the undefeated midmajor(s) in.

Play the 4 first round games at the 4 major bowl sites so they still get their one pay day, as does the BCS for still having the poll.

Then every year, instead of 1, 3 of the 4 major bowls will get a second pay day from round 2 and the final. Everyone gets paid, more actually, and the BCS stays and the midmajors get a chance. Thats the ONLY way I could figure out to do it where everyone still gets their piece

[ozzie]

Yeah there is no way CUSA, MAC, MWC, WAC, and sun belt deserve an automatic berth in the playoff series, if that happens you will see zero tough games played outside of conference championships since that is all that will matter anymore.

Actually I think a playoff with automatic bids for conference champs would have the exact opposite affect on non-conf scheduling.

If losing non-conference games doesn't kill your chances of getting a playoff spot, then schools could take more chances to gain experience and collect bigger paychecks than they do now, instead of fearing any sort of loss and scheduling all these fucking D-1AA teams.

It certainly wouldn't be any worse than the crap we're getting now.

[Snoogans]

Actually I think a playoff with automatic bids for conference champs would have the exact opposite affect on non-conf scheduling.

If losing non-conference games doesn't kill your chances of getting a playoff spot, then schools could take more chances to gain experience and collect bigger paychecks than they do now, instead of fearing any sort of loss and scheduling all these fucking D-1AA teams.

It certainly wouldn't be any worse than the crap we're getting now.

this is a good point. They would sched more rivals, big time out of conf games, it would be. But also, each week would become less important, which I dont like either. Thats why I kinda like the thought of keeping polls involved, to force teams to still always have to win

[ozzie]

Play the 4 first round games at the 4 major bowl sites so they still get their one pay day, as does the BCS for still having the poll.

Then every year, instead of 1, 3 of the 4 major bowls will get a second pay day from round 2 and the final. Everyone gets paid, more actually, and the BCS stays and the midmajors get a chance. Thats the ONLY way I could figure out to do it where everyone still gets their piece

What you're suggesting beats the hell out of what we have now, and would be a great start.

I just don't see it ending there. The basketball tournament didn't start at 64 teams either. Eventually, every piss-ant conference got an automatic bid (or at least a play-in, once they went to 65), just to shut everyone up and announce that it was finally "fair".

I call it the "Hoosiers" affect. Everyone wants to live in that dreamworld.

[Snoogans]

What you're suggesting beats the hell out of what we have now, and would be a great start.

I just don't see it ending there. The basketball tournament didn't start at 64 teams either. Eventually, every piss-ant conference got an automatic bid (or at least a play-in, once they went to 65), just to shut everyone up and announce that it was finally "fair".

I call it the "Hoosiers" affect. Everyone wants to live in that dreamworld.

you are right about that, but in our current situation with the way things are, i think its the best way. I think it should never be more than 8 teams. 16 you would get into having to use other bowls. I like taking 8, doing it with the 4 major bowls, and leaving the rest of the bowl system unchanged. Cause Capital One Bowl Week still kicks fuckin ass

[SP1!]

Actually I think a playoff with automatic bids for conference champs would have the exact opposite affect on non-conf scheduling.

If losing non-conference games doesn't kill your chances of getting a playoff spot, then schools could take more chances to gain experience and collect bigger paychecks than they do now, instead of fearing any sort of loss and scheduling all these fucking D-1AA teams.

It certainly wouldn't be any worse than the crap we're getting now.

No I will tell you the only way to stop it, say that anyone that plays a Div II-A team is automatically disqualified from a spot on the NC game and they have to play at least 2 teams from a BCS automatic berth school. Telling teams that non conference games wont matter will just mean a huge number of cupcakes getting paydays for themselves, they wont risk dropping in polls simply because they want a better seed. The polls arent going away and will be around even if a playoff is adopted.

I dont think florida and the SEC for that matter, hasnt played a really tough game yet and is a lot weaker than people think, they may end up getting beat if either UF or bama play texas.

[ozzie]

this is a good point. They would sched more rivals, big time out of conf games, it would be. But also, each week would become less important, which I dont like either. Thats why I kinda like the thought of keeping polls involved, to force teams to still always have to win

Guess it depends on what you want to see.

Rutgers playing Michigan and Arizona State in "meaningless" games, or scheduling Howard and Texas Southern?

If it eventually got to a 16 team field, you'd still have "at large" places to play for, where non-conference results would count.

[Snoogans]

Guess it depends on what you want to see.

Rutgers playing Michigan and Arizona State in "meaningless" games, or scheduling Howard and Texas Southern?

If it eventually got to a 16 team field, you'd still have "at large" places to play for, where non-conference results would count.

they only played texas southern cause of backed out of contracts, ND and Buffalo, not that buffalo is a special game but.

If you go with an 8 team playoff, the schools in teh big 12 and SEC know they can still get in with 1 loss, so they still would be more likely to schedule a big out of conf game. Its the only way really to get it to work.

And Rutgers is fixing that btw, they have Miami, UCLA, and some big 12 school i think in agreements for series in the next few years. Too bad they FUCKIN SUCK

[ozzie]

they only played texas southern cause of backed out of contracts, ND and Buffalo, not that buffalo is a special game but.

If you go with an 8 team playoff, the schools in teh big 12 and SEC know they can still get in with 1 loss, so they still would be more likely to schedule a big out of conf game. Its the only way really to get it to work.

And Rutgers is fixing that btw, they have Miami, UCLA, and some big 12 school i think in agreements for series in the next few years. Too bad they FUCKIN SUCK

I wasn't trying to just single out Rutgers. Almost everyone is doing it. Auburn has frickin Furman on their schedule this year. And remember Florida being a 73 point favorite over Charleston Southern?

But back to comparing it to D-1 b-ball, the only thing that makes that even watchable before they start conference play is when some of the bigger schools man-up and play other big boys. They can do it because they know at the end of the year, the polls mean dick, and it's all about the RPI, and people take a longer look at exactly who their losses were against.

Because of this, you get awesome non-conference match-ups in neutral site tournaments, and even the whole Big 10 / ACC match-ups are fun to watch.

Most of the football games we look forward to the most now are conference games anyway, and those wouldn't lose an ounce of importance with automatic bids.

I just look at an opener like Oregon and Boise. If it turns out that the ducks run the table in the Pac 10, but Oregon's title hopes were lost because of a loss on the road to Boise State... you don't think that would make them, and other schools, think twice about who they schedule, and where they agree to play?

[JimBeam]

Snoogans the only problem I see with your scenarios is that you force a team that may have won out through 13 games to possibly put themselves on the line against a 2 loss team.

It's why I didn't like the idea of a +1.

Some years it would work but it many it would be unfair.

After Texas beat USC I didn't see how it would've been fair to then ask them to go and have to beat another team.

Say a 3 loss Big Ten champion team won their 1st bowl game against a Utah or Ga Tech.

And UF had to beat an undefeated Texas team.

Now a 13-0 UF team could get eliminated from the championship by a team that lost 3 games.

That doesn't seem fair.

[Snoogans]

Snoogans the only problem I see with your scenarios is that you force a team that may have won out through 13 games to possibly put themselves on the line against a 2 loss team.

It's why I didn't like the idea of a +1.

Some years it would work but it many it would be unfair.

After Texas beat USC I didn't see how it would've been fair to then ask them to go and have to beat another team.

Say a 3 loss Big Ten champion team won their 1st bowl game against a Utah or Ga Tech.

And UF had to beat an undefeated Texas team.

Now a 13-0 UF team could get eliminated from the championship by a team that lost 3 games.

That doesn't seem fair.

Well thats how it goes. They get to 13-0 they get hte 1 seed and most likely some midmajor or whoever is 8th.

As of today, florida would get TCU in the first round. I dont think they would complain.

again im not factoring out the perfect scenario. Im just figuring out the best way to do it that would be possible and pay everyone who currently gets paid the way it is now, thats the only chance you have to get it done

[ozzie]

Snoogans the only problem I see with your scenarios is that you force a team that may have won out through 13 games to possibly put themselves on the line against a 2 loss team.

It's why I didn't like the idea of a +1.

Some years it would work but it many it would be unfair.

After Texas beat USC I didn't see how it would've been fair to then ask them to go and have to beat another team.

Say a 3 loss Big Ten champion team won their 1st bowl game against a Utah or Ga Tech.

And UF had to beat an undefeated Texas team.

Now a 13-0 UF team could get eliminated from the championship by a team that lost 3 games.

That doesn't seem fair.

So every other level of football... from peewee, through high school state playoffs, and every other level of college football besides D-1A (FBS), and including the NFL playoffs... are UN-fair?

People voting on who they think are the two best teams, and having a one-game, two team "tournament", is the only "fair" way?

Really?