Lost: The Final Season - Destiny Found

[Willmore]

There wasn't any more commericals than any other 2 1/2 hour show. Just watch a movie on TBS.


20 minutes into watching it with the commercials (I had already struggled throught the retrospective for 2 hours) I checked my usual place for TV shows, and lo and behold, Lost finale was already uploaded in HD. 15 minutes later I was watching it sans commercial, in glorious HD, and was done 20 minutes before the rest of the suckers on my coast were.

[underdog]

The only thing that pissed me off about the show in general is the deus ex machina way that the writers used "the heart of the island."

You touch it with a wheel, and you shift time. You "unplug it" and the world is about to come crushing down. You don't "hold it" with a number sequence and it emits an EMP.

If the show really was about life and death, the soul's salvation, or anything else spiritual, you didn't really need the light or Jacob, you could have told a great story without it. And if that is what the story was truly about, I think that all the red herrings related to science, Faraday, etc. were a waste of time. It was an enjoyable waste of time, but it had no purpose as it related to the story.

I thought they showed last night on purpose that all that other stuff didn't mean anything.

The proved last night that the only thing that has ever mattered on this show is the characters and their interactions and memories of one another. All the other stuff is just noise, the characters were the only thing that ever mattered.

Also, Matthew Fox said he also knew from the beginning that the show would end the way it did, with him lying in the bamboo forest, closing his eye.

[K.C.]

I thought they showed last night on purpose that all that other stuff didn't mean anything.

The proved last night that the only thing that has ever mattered on this show is the characters and their interactions and memories of one another. All the other stuff is just noise, the characters were the only thing that ever mattered.

Also, Matthew Fox said he also knew from the beginning that the show would end the way it did, with him lying in the bamboo forest, closing his eye.


I'm not sure that's true.

The Sideways is death and the island is sunk there because it no longer matters...everyone there is already dead.

We need to consider what would have happened if MIB was successful...would it have essentially
brought about a worldwide apocalypse since he's in essence destroying the source of life (which I think is what it was suppose to
be).

Or was it more metaphorical and that whole cork thing tied to afterlife salvation? Would they have ended
up in some darker afterlife had Jack failed.

[Freitag]

From 1983 to 2000, the National Transportation Safety Board investigated 26 major commercial accidents involving 2,739 people. A total of 1,525 survived, or 56% (http://www.ewatravel.com/odds.htm)

Now extrapolate those results using airliners the size of 815. That number will drop REAL fast.

[CurseoftheBambi]

ok why was jimmy so dogmatic that his view was correct even with the explainations he was given? i came to the lost party late myself (*season 5) but even i knew that explaination he gave was off from following season's 5 and 6 closely.

[Freitag]

so I'll ask again.

If the lost writers knew what they were doing when writing the finale, why was such a big point made out of the wound on Jack's neck, when that wound was a superficial one inflicted by Locke?

[underdog]

so I'll ask again.

If the lost writers knew what they were doing when writing the finale, why was such a big point made out of the wound on Jack's neck, when that wound was a superficial one inflicted by Locke?

A bleed through between the two worlds.

[CurseoftheBambi]

to let people know they knew what they were doing and it wasn't a random thing for jack to have that scar.

[sailor]

So people will accept all sorts or crazy shit happening on this island, but people surviving the crash was too much?

[Freitag]

A bleed through between the two worlds.

garbage.

A six-inch stab wound that kills him doesn't "bleed through", but a nick on the neck does?

[CurseoftheBambi]

its easier to show a scar on the neck than show a scar on the abdomen dontcha think :)

[K.C.]

garbage.

A six-inch stab wound that kills him doesn't "bleed through", but a nick on the neck does?


Well, we should defer to you since you missed 99% of the total run of the show. Thanks for straighening us out!

[underdog]

Well, we should defer to you since you missed 99% of the total run of the show. Thanks for straighening us out!

And didn't he already have a scar where he was stabbed in the stomach?

[Fallon]

And didn't he already have a scar where he was stabbed in the stomach?

http://i48.tinypic.com/156svg0.jpg

[Kevin]

http://i48.tinypic.com/156svg0.jpg



HAWT

[Furtherman]

And didn't he already have a scar where he was stabbed in the stomach?

Yep. He even asked his mother about it.

[underdog]

Yep. He even asked his mother about it.

So then that cut bled though, as well.

[K.C.]

And didn't he already have a scar where he was stabbed in the stomach?


I thought that was from Juliet taking his appendix out, but I guess he basically got stabbed in the same spot.

[Freitag]

Lost's series finale? 13.5 million viewers.

Mr. Belvedere's series finale? 13.8 million viewers.

EPIC. TELEVISION.

[CurseoftheBambi]

:wub:twas epic for me.

[Jujubees2]

Lost's series finale? 13.5 million viewers.

Mr. Belvedere's series finale? 13.8 million viewers.

EPIC. TELEVISION.

Are you kidding me? This guy only got 13.8 millions viewers for his finale. That's a crime!

http://insearchofnessie.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/mr-belvedere.jpg

[Freitag]

Are you kidding me? This guy only got 13.8 millions viewers for his finale. That's a crime!



Now, Brocktoon is just like me.

[Kevin]

Lost's series finale? 13.5 million viewers.

Mr. Belvedere's series finale? 13.8 million viewers.

EPIC. TELEVISION.



Meh....

different time... So many people watched online and DVR...

You will never get a huge number for non sporting events anymore.

[CurseoftheBambi]

as well as the fact people watched it in bars, other people's lost party houses...

[Kevin]

as well as the fact people watched it in bars, other people's lost party houses...



If i found any of these lost party houses, do i get to keep it, or do i have to give it back?

[mikeyboy]

I can't say I care in the least what the ratings were for the finale. Why would I? What's the worst thing that could happen? The show will get cancelled? Oh no!!!!

I'm just glad they were able to give the show a proper wrap up.

[TooCute]

Ugh... Furtherman - I have watched every episode, most of them multiple times. The entire series was about building up all these questions involving mythology and science and history and philosophy and all that crap, and in the end, none of the questions were answered. What the fuck is the Island? Why did Jacob need to protect it, and what exactly was he protecting? How was it linked to the stupid donkey wheel? What the hell happened back in whatever year that was when they set off the nuclear bomb? What's the deal with all the random Egyptian stuff and four toed statue and the temple with the random Japanese dude? What is the story with Widmore and his motives for doing everything he did, and the big feud between him and Ben - rules, and all? Why did the man in black turn into a smoke monster? Why no babies on the island? So and and so forth? These are all things that were totally built up over the first few seasons, and sure, it feels like a totally lame cop out to finish the season with some cheesy oh the whole point of everything is that those handful of people needed to find each other and themselves and all the rest of the stuff isn't important "explanation".

[TjM]

Never seen an episode. Not proud of it just wasn't my thing. I love stcoms so I am not above anyone (Christ I watch cougertown) I hope you all enjoyed it though

[underdog]

Ugh... Furtherman - I have watched every episode, most of them multiple times. The entire series was about building up all these questions involving mythology and science and history and philosophy and all that crap, and in the end, none of the questions were answered. What the fuck is the Island? Why did Jacob need to protect it, and what exactly was he protecting? How was it linked to the stupid donkey wheel? What the hell happened back in whatever year that was when they set off the nuclear bomb? What's the deal with all the random Egyptian stuff and four toed statue and the temple with the random Japanese dude? What is the story with Widmore and his motives for doing everything he did, and the big feud between him and Ben - rules, and all? Why did the man in black turn into a smoke monster? Why no babies on the island? So and and so forth? These are all things that were totally built up over the first few seasons, and sure, it feels like a totally lame cop out to finish the season with some cheesy oh the whole point of everything is that those handful of people needed to find each other and themselves and all the rest of the stuff isn't important "explanation".

I was so wrapped up in the character arcs during the last episode that I forgot all the questions I had about the island, and I kind of don't care anymore. The show was about a group of characters on an island and how they'd survive and exist together. The show took many tangents through 6 seasons, but the last episode brought it basically right back where it belonged; a character driven story.

[CurseoftheBambi]

These

What the fuck is the Island? Why did Jacob need to protect it, and what exactly was he protecting? How was it linked to the stupid donkey wheel? Rewatch:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ab_Aeterno - pay attention to Rrichard's conversation with Jacob
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Across_the_Sea - pay attention to Mother talking to Jacob and MIB when she brings them to the source, then pay attention to MIB finding about magnetic properties as well as his conversation about not finding the source but finding something else.

What the hell happened back in whatever year that was when they set off the nuclear bomb? not understanding what you mean happened? But rewatch
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Incident,_Part_1
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Incident,_Part_2
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/LA_X,_Part_1
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/LA_X,_Part_2

What's the deal with all the random Egyptian stuff and four toed statue and the temple with the random Japanese dude?
Rewatch:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ab_Aeterno (pay attention to the Jacob and Richard dialogue)
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Incident,_Part_1 (pay attention to the Jacob and MIB dialogue) we can assume jacob brought other people to the island who built those things.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Sundown - this episode answers your Dogen questions. pay attention to dogen's conversation.

What is the story with Widmore and his motives for doing everything he did, and the big feud between him and Ben - rules, and all?

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dead_Is_Dead - this episode explains/shows widmore leaving the island and why he was ousted as leader and his anger towards ben. For more info : http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Charles_Widmore

Why did the man in black turn into a smoke monster? Why no babies on the island? So and and so forth?

Why did MIB turn into the smoke monster? Rewatch: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Across_the_Sea - pay attention to Mother's conversation about not going into the source. Then Look at how MIB gets inside the source. (the fight with Jacob after MIB murders Mother)

Why no babies on the island?
Unanswered but theories (by fans) are that the Incident caused that effect.

hope this helps.

[disneyspy]

i thought the finale was awesome,had to dvr it and watched it this afternoon,i think the one thing you all missed out on was the church window with all the different religous icons.
it wasn't a purgatory as we catholics think of it but the "train station" that everyone that went through the most important times of their lives meet up before moving on together. it was a long wait for some of them because they had to wait for the last one to die,probably hugo when the island went underwater due to global warming some time in the way distant future,i'm really going to miss this show but i'm glad i wont have to see cuse or lindleoff again

[Freitag]

Meh....

different time... So many people watched online and DVR...

You will never get a huge number for non sporting events anymore.

You can use that excuse for a normal episode of the show, but the finale? Come on. That, last night, was the very definition of appointment television. They put it on during a Sunday night, when NOTHING was going on outside the Mets/Yankees, and that game was 6-0 when the show started.

ER, a show well past it's prime on the network in last place scored more than three million viewers more than Lost's finale, and that show went out with a whimper, not the huge promotional effort that was built into Lost's final season and finale.

as well as the fact people watched it in bars, other people's lost party houses...

Can't use that excuse. Super Bowl has parties, they don't suffer in the ratings.


Look, I know I'm being a jerk, but this is coming from the point of people gushing how good a show it was and how well it was written. And I'm here to say, no, it's not.

Every good story has a beginning, middle, and end. And Hollywood seems to be obsessed with this "open-ended" finale, which leaves more questions than answers. Happened with Sopranos, happened with BSG, and happened in a BIG way with Lost.

It's polarizing, and you want to know why? People want *closure*. When Angel, Buffy, and Dollhouse ended, there was plenty of open-ended questions (Slayer Army, the Dragon, etc) BUT it gave you closure on these characters.

Lost's finale was a mess, and that's coming from someone who was apologetic about BSG's finale.

[mikeyboy]

It's polarizing, and you want to know why? People want *closure*. When Angel, Buffy, and Dollhouse ended, there was plenty of open-ended questions (Slayer Army, the Dragon, etc) BUT it gave you closure on these characters.

Um... Some people would argue that the finale gave nothing but closure for the characters.

[Willmore]

A friend of a friend has an in with Lindelof's assistant producer's assistant. And I got from her that the event released a shitload of midichlorians, and that is why there are "special" people on the island, why they can't have children etc.

[CountryBob]

I think that they eluded that the"purgatory" time was not like normal time - which is measured. So, if Miles died yesterday but Hurley died in 2090 - they would be together at the church at the same time - Miles wouldnt be waiting 80 years.

When is a finale's numbers the representation of the success of the show? Lost didnt have 13 million viewers this last year. So every fan of the show plus more watched it - shows like Lost dont appeal to the masses like Sienfeld or Mash etc.
Also, there were not as many viewing or media options years ago - I still dont understand why Freitag keeps wanting to compare Series finale viewer numbers.

[mikeyboy]

I think that they eluded that the"purgatory" time was not like normal time - which is measured. So, if Miles died yesterday but Hurley died in 2090 - they would be together at the church at the same time - Miles wouldnt be waiting 80 years.

That's what I got as well. I took from Christian's statement "there is no 'now' here" that it didn't exist in a linear timeline.

[Freitag]

Um... Some people would argue that the finale gave nothing but closure for the characters.

That's exactly it. Some would argue. But not all. Having such a polarizing end is basically a slap in the face to fans and exactly why genre TV can't get a hook. Because people don't want to put in so much time to a show and then get slapped in the end with no payoff.

[CurseoftheBambi]

there was a pay off. the pay off was the losties being together..after everything they've been thru they wanted to leave together into eternity.they became a family on that island. and that was shown thoughtout the series. I guess i should add "what they died for" *the next to last episode* to the list of must understand what lost is about episodes. Cause Jacob again explains things about why he brought people to the island.:wallbash:

PS my face wasn't slapped. I caught what Christian said.

[disneyspy]

i think the one thing you all missed out on was the church window with all the different religous icons.
it wasn't a purgatory as we catholics think of it but the "train station" that everyone that went through the most important times of their lives meet up before moving on together. it was a long wait for some of them because they had to wait for the last one to die,probably hugo when the island went underwater due to global warming some time in the way distant future,i'm really going to miss this show but i'm glad i wont have to see cuse or lindleoff again

I think that they eluded that the"purgatory" time was not like normal time - which is measured. So, if Miles died yesterday but Hurley died in 2090 - they would be together at the church at the same time - Miles wouldnt be waiting 80 years.


That's what I got as well. I took from Christian's statement "there is no 'now' here" that it didn't exist in a linear timeline.

dont you fuckers dare underdog me!!!

[mikeyboy]

That's exactly it. Some would argue. But not all. Having such a polarizing end is basically a slap in the face to fans and exactly why genre TV can't get a hook. Because people don't want to put in so much time to a show and then get slapped in the end with no payoff.

What closure are you missing?

Miles, Sawyer, Lapidus, Kate and Sawyer flew off the island. We don't know if they made it. Presumably they did because Kate says that she has missed Jack for "so long" in the afterlife. All eventually die.
Desmond presumably is returned to the outside world by Hurley based on Ben's comments about running the island differently than Jacob. Desmond eventually dies.
Hurley and Ben protect the island and eventually die.
Everyone else dies, and we know how they die.

[Kevin]

dont you fuckers dare underdog me!!!

Who the fuck is Underdog?

[disneyspy]

Who the fuck is Underdog?

exactly

[underdog]

exactly

Hey!

Why do people keep arguing with Matty? He didn't watch the show, and even though there's quite a few people who loved the finale, he thinks its a mess. He's the showerbench of Lost threads.

[HBox]

Every good story has a beginning, middle, and end. And Hollywood seems to be obsessed with this "open-ended" finale, which leaves more questions than answers. Happened with Sopranos, happened with BSG, and happened in a BIG way with Lost.

It didn't happen in a big way with Lost. The main plot was completely resolved. Jack found a way to save the island and kill MiB. The MiB and the smoke monster are dead for good and the light was saved. Every character had a resolution. Jack died saving the island. Hurley took his job and protected the island. Ben helped him and tried to redeem himself. According to Hurley he did so. Kate, Sawyer, Claire, Miles, Richard and Burt Reynolds stache escaped the island. Rose and Bernard lived the rest of their life on the island like they said they would. Desmond was the only character who we don't know what happened. He might have made it home and he might not have. We know who the smoke monster was and how he came to be. We know generally what the island was and what it's purpose was without having it spelled out in painful detail like we are children. We know what Jacob was setting out to do. We know where he came from. We know what the wheel does and where it came from. We know where the crazy electromagnetism comes from. We know why people were seeing dead people on the island. I could go on and no.

There are a lot of unanswered questions, sure, but the vast majority of them are IRRELEVANT. And if there are a lot of people out there who are dissatisfied because they aren't all or even mostly answered then they is simply nothing that can be done to satisfy them. This would have been a disastrously boring last season and show if it was all "Here's a scene the explains the Dharma food pallets. Here's a scene that explains why the Dharma initiative was founded. etc, etc." What does any of that add to the show? We'd all be complaining how boring the show is.

And sure, there are some aborted but important plot lines. Walt was incredibly important and then instantly forgotten, for example. But they answered a shit load of questions.

And BSG's problem was not not answering questions. It was actually the opposite. They did answer every question you could have about the show. God did everything. It was that the explanation was so lazy and uninspired that it served as a slap in the face to viewers. They could have answered a few questions with smart explanations and left some open questions and it would have been infinitely better.

[Furtherman]

Ugh... Furtherman - I have watched every episode, most of them multiple times. The entire series was about building up all these questions involving mythology and science and history and philosophy and all that crap, and in the end, none of the questions were answered. What the fuck is the Island? Why did Jacob need to protect it, and what exactly was he protecting? How was it linked to the stupid donkey wheel? What the hell happened back in whatever year that was when they set off the nuclear bomb? What's the deal with all the random Egyptian stuff and four toed statue and the temple with the random Japanese dude? What is the story with Widmore and his motives for doing everything he did, and the big feud between him and Ben - rules, and all? Why did the man in black turn into a smoke monster? Why no babies on the island? So and and so forth? These are all things that were totally built up over the first few seasons, and sure, it feels like a totally lame cop out to finish the season with some cheesy oh the whole point of everything is that those handful of people needed to find each other and themselves and all the rest of the stuff isn't important "explanation".

Maybe to you, but I enjoyed it. And as others have pointed out, most of those questions were answered.

[K.C.]

The island was the source of life and death. Alpha and Omega.

It's Eden.

Jacob protected that because if the MIB plan was successful, it would have extinguished all life.

The island was underwater in the Sideways, because the Sideways is death. The place where all life ends. There's no longer any need to protect it there.

[Brad_Rush]

The island was the source of life and death. Alpha and Omega.

It's Eden.

Jacob protected that because if the MIB plan was successful, it would have extinguished all life.

The island was underwater in the Sideways, because the Sideways is death. The place where all life ends. There's no longer any need to protect it there.

I like that interpretation

[Kevin]

And BSG's problem was not not answering questions. It was actually the opposite. They did answer every question you could have about the show. God did everything. It was that the explanation was so lazy and uninspired that it served as a slap in the face to viewers. They could have answered a few questions with smart explanations and left some open questions and it would have been infinitely better.

This is the 2nd time ive seen BSG mentioned..

Whats that?

[Tenbatsuzen]

This is the 2nd time ive seen BSG mentioned..

Whats that?

It's a show where they bomb Albania. It's my favorite.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Kate in the Church, on Lapidus plane.

Sawyer in the Church, on the Lapidus plane.

Lapidus on the plane, not in the church.

Miles, on plane, not in Church.

Desmond, on island, in church.

Hurley, on Island, in church.

Alpert, on plane, not in church.

SO IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE

The show made it a point to say that the people in the Church were there because the island (and the friends they made there) was the best part of their lives. Alpert presumably prefers spending the afterlife with his lost love. Miles was there for the money, was trapped by accident and wanted to get off. Lapidus was also there by accident and while I'm sure he wishes them all the best, he wasn't really one of them and the audience is left to assume that wasn't the best possible experience in his life. Aside from Miles's experience with Dharma, there's no reason to believe that those 3 characters would want to spend the afterlife with the rest of the crew. And the only really deep connection Miles made on the island was with his long lost father. It makes sense, IMO

[HBox]

This is the 2nd time ive seen BSG mentioned..

Whats that?

Battlestar Galactica. It was a great and intelligent show, much more than standard scifi and even more than Lost, that had such a ridiculously bad finale that I can't watch any episode of the series anymore. It was easily the worst 2 hours of TV I've ever seen. I could critique it from any angle. It was horrible on every level.

There's a series that answered every little question and suffered greatly for it.

[Kevin]

Battlestar Galactica. It was a great and intelligent show, much more than standard scifi and even more than Lost, that had such a ridiculously bad finale that I can't watch any episode of the series anymore. It was easily the worst 2 hours of TV I've ever seen. I could critique it from any angle. It was horrible on every level.

There's a series that answered every little question and suffered greatly for it.

Ive seen every ep

unfortunately... even the finale..

Fucking terrible

[HBox]

Ive seen every ep

unfortunately... even the finale..

Fucking terrible

So have I.

There should be a support group for people like us.

[Kevin]

So have I.

There should be a support group for people like us.

Im gunna to have to watch the finale again..


I was kinda watching Arod strike out just as it was ending.

[mikeyboy]

Is Matty done trying to convince people that they shouldn't have enjoyed the finale?

[TooLowBrow]

how did the man in black die?

[HBox]

how did the man in black die?

Desmond did that thing in the cave which turned the MiB human and while he was fighting Jack Kate shot him from behind and Jack kicked him off the cliff.

[Dan 'Hampton]

With the light gone he was mortal. Kate shoots him after he stabs Jack.

[Furtherman]

Desmond did that thing in the cave which turned the MiB human and while he was fighting Jack Kate shot him from behind and Jack kicked him off the cliff.

That fight was awesome. Jack and Locke running at each other will be one of my favorite Lost scenes.

[TooLowBrow]

how come jacob and richard can leave the island and not the man in black?

[CurseoftheBambi]

BSG = Battlestar Galatica

[sailor]

Is Matty done trying to convince people that they shouldn't have enjoyed the finale?

not now. Thanks.

[Furtherman]

how come jacob and richard can leave the island and not the man in black?

Smokey was trapped on the island, tethered by the light.

[booster11373]

The show left unanswered questions but in the end the characters that we came to care about had a satisfying ending and that is what matters

[CurseoftheBambi]

how come jacob and richard can leave the island and not the man in black?

they are not what MIB is. When he became the smoke monster he became that malovence thing that jacob talked with Richard about.

[TooLowBrow]

the man in black had no real body, how come when they turned the island off he didnt just cease to be?

[Furtherman]

the man in black had no real body, how come when they turned the island off he didnt just cease to be?

He reverted back to his original form, which is what he always wanted: to be human again. This also makes him mortal.

[TooLowBrow]

He reverted back to his original form, which is what he always wanted: to be human again. This also makes him mortal.

his original form is in a cave hugging his dead fake mom

and his locke form is buried near the crash site

[Furtherman]

his original form is in a cave hugging his dead fake mom

and his locke form is buried near the crash site

His soul was in the black smoke.
I have a feeling that every answer will only lead to another question with you.

[Kevin]

His soul was in the black smoke.
I have a feeling that every answer will only lead to another question with you.

But why.

[Kevin]

There must be something with Asians and age.

Sun didnt age half as bad as claire did.

[TooLowBrow]

His soul was in the black smoke.
I have a feeling that every answer will only lead to another question with you.

he should have turned into smoke to avoid being shot

[HBox]

There must be something with Asians and age.

Sun didnt age half as bad as claire did.

Sure, for now. But every old asian lady ends up looking exactly the same.

[extracheese]

I guess the writers had to decide..that when Desmond unplugged the light, and MIB reverted to his original form...should that be Locke or the actor playing Jacobs brother.

If MIB just wanted to get off the island, and to do this he needed to destroy the island (by having desmond unplug the light), couldnt he have taken the form of someone Desmond trusted but died....way back when he was pushing buttons in the hatch =- before the candedates arrived on the island?

He didnt really need to kill the candidates...he just needed desmond, he almost escaped by the boat, but was shot by Kate, but a non-candidate could have shot him.

Am i missing the ways MIB could have gotten off the island? Was desmond the only way?

[TooLowBrow]

I guess the writers had to decide..that when Desmond unplugged the light, and MIB reverted to his original form...should that be Locke or the actor playing Jacobs brother.

If MIB just wanted to get off the island, and to do this he needed to destroy the island (by having desmond unplug the light), couldnt he have taken the form of someone Desmond trusted but died....way back when he was pushing buttons in the hatch =- before the candedates arrived on the island?

He didnt really need to kill the candidates...he just needed desmond, he almost escaped by the boat, but was shot by Kate, but a non-candidate could have shot him.

Am i missing the ways MIB could have gotten off the island? Was desmond the only way?

jacob couldve turned off the island long enough for him to get off

[TooLowBrow]

how come the islands healing ability didnt kick in and save jack?

[TooLowBrow]

even if the losties missed the plane they couldve sailed the boat away from it. then they wouldve had time to bring jack to the water in the temple and bring him back to health

[Kevin]

Go back to your wildly successful human vs dog fighting.

[TooLowBrow]

Go back to your wildly successful human vs dog fighting.

just sayin

[HBox]

even if the losties missed the plane they couldve sailed the boat away from it. then they wouldve had time to bring jack to the water in the temple and bring him back to health

Even though they didn't show the boat being destroyed I don't think it survived all those huge chunks of the cliff falling off right next to it.

[Kevin]

Even though they didn't show the boat being destroyed I don't think it survived all those huge chunks of the cliff falling off right next to it.

Why wasn't Jack and Locke's hands burning while they were lowering that rope bare handed?

[TooLowBrow]

Even though they didn't show the boat being destroyed I don't think it survived all those huge chunks of the cliff falling off right next to it.

well they wouldnt have been near the cliffs if they didnt have to get to the plane

[K.C.]

I guess the writers had to decide..that when Desmond unplugged the light, and MIB reverted to his original form...should that be Locke or the actor playing Jacobs brother.

If MIB just wanted to get off the island, and to do this he needed to destroy the island (by having desmond unplug the light), couldnt he have taken the form of someone Desmond trusted but died....way back when he was pushing buttons in the hatch =- before the candedates arrived on the island?

He didnt really need to kill the candidates...he just needed desmond, he almost escaped by the boat, but was shot by Kate, but a non-candidate could have shot him.

Am i missing the ways MIB could have gotten off the island? Was desmond the only way?

No, nobody knew Desmond was special in terms of the electromagnetism thing, and even so, I don't think that actually becomes activated until he turns the failsafe key. At any rate, MIB didn't figure it out until Widmore told him.

And what MIB never understood was that he could NEVER leave the island. If his plan was successful, it would have destroyed all life including him.

He was never going to ultimately get what he wanted.

As to why he needed to kill the candidates, I think as long as one of them was alive, he couldn't uncork the island. So his plan was to kill them.

When that failed, he realized he'd have a very difficult time killing them at that point, since they'd never trust him again so he tapped Ben to get him to kill them. Then he found out about Desmond.

Desmond was intended as a failsafe because if all the candidates died and MIB uncorked the island, Desmond was the only one who could sustain the trial (because of the electromagnetism thing) to save the island.

When MIB figures this out, he decides to use Jacob's failsafe against him. Unfortunately, for him, he doesn't kill Jack, and Jack is able to undo the damage.

But like I said, he never would have physically left....all life would have ended.

[TooLowBrow]

how did jacob or mib know to tell ben to build the runway?

can they see the future?

[The Jays]

The show was good, the finale answered questions, does it really matter that some things weren't answered. Fine, I'll help.

1) Why were there Egyptian hieroglyphics and statues and shit everywhere?
Answer- Egyptians put them there.

2) Why wasn't Eko in the Church?
Answer- Adabesi asked for like five times the money to appear in the episode, and Lost was like, fuck you, you're not even a priest, you smuggle heroin in Virgin Mary statues.

3) What happened when the bomb when off?
Answer- Season 6 began.

4) What happened after Hurley and Ben took over protecting the island?
Answer- They drove around in the van, played golf and ping pong, and shared vats of ranch dressing until some dumb schmuck ended up on the island, and then they tricked him into taking over. Then they found a polar bear and rode him into the sunset.

5) What is the island?
Answer- The island is a land mass surrounded by water.

I mean, some of these questions answer themselves.

[TooLowBrow]

4) What happened after Hurley and Ben took over protecting the island?
Answer- They drove around in the van, played golf and ping pong, and shared vats of ranch dressing until some dumb schmuck ended up on the island, and then they tricked him into taking over. Then they found a polar bear and rode him into the sunset.



i bet they drove the island around like madmen too

just steering that wheel and giggling

[K.C.]

The show was good, the finale answered questions, does it really matter that some things weren't answered. Fine, I'll help.

1) Why were there Egyptian hieroglyphics and statues and shit everywhere?
Answer- Egyptians put them there.

2) Why wasn't Eko in the Church?
Answer- Adabesi asked for like five times the money to appear in the episode, and Lost was like, fuck you, you're not even a priest, you smuggle heroin in Virgin Mary statues.

3) What happened when the bomb when off?
Answer- Season 6 began.

4) What happened after Hurley and Ben took over protecting the island?
Answer- They drove around in the van, played golf and ping pong, and shared vats of ranch dressing until some dumb schmuck ended up on the island, and then they tricked him into taking over. Then they found a polar bear and rode him into the sunset.

5) What is the island?
Answer- The island is a land mass surrounded by water.

I mean, some of these questions answer themselves.

Works for me.

Lock this bitch up! Thread DONE!

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[Kevin]

The show was good, the finale answered questions, does it really matter that some things weren't answered. Fine, I'll help.

1) Why were there Egyptian hieroglyphics and statues and shit everywhere?
Answer- Egyptians put them there.

2) Why wasn't Eko in the Church?
Answer- Adabesi asked for like five times the money to appear in the episode, and Lost was like, fuck you, you're not even a priest, you smuggle heroin in Virgin Mary statues.

3) What happened when the bomb when off?
Answer- Season 6 began.

4) What happened after Hurley and Ben took over protecting the island?
Answer- They drove around in the van, played golf and ping pong, and shared vats of ranch dressing until some dumb schmuck ended up on the island, and then they tricked him into taking over. Then they found a polar bear and rode him into the sunset.

5) What is the island?
Answer- The island is a land mass surrounded by water.

I mean, some of these questions answer themselves.

Works for me.

Lock this bitch up! Thread DONE!

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I bet that Shmuck was Omar Maniya just because Hugo was latin..

[The Jays]

If people want a simple series finale, go watch The Wire or Six Feet Under.

[hammersavage]

If people want a simple series finale, go watch The Wire or Six Feet Under.

If you think that this finale was actually better than either of those, you are out of your fucking mind.

[The Jays]

I didn't say it was better. In fact, I contend, as do most, that The Wire is the greatest show ever. But this was a complex finale to wrap your head around, as was the entire series, so, if you want your shows wrapped up in bows, seek HBO television.

[TooLowBrow]

If you think that this finale was actually better than either of those, you are out of your fucking mind.

i dont know about 6 feet, but the wire was written with the ending already set

honestly i dont think lost was

[TooLowBrow]

i dont know about 6 feet, but the wire was written with the ending already set

honestly i dont think lost was

cause why else when they found adam and eve did they say these people died about 50 years ago?

[hammersavage]

I didn't say it was better. In fact, I contend, as do most, that The Wire is the greatest show ever. But this was a complex finale to wrap your head around, as was the entire series, so, if you want your shows wrapped up in bows, seek HBO television.

like the Sopranos?

[Kevin]

If you think that this finale was actually better than either of those, you are out of your fucking mind.

Seriously...

The Final scene in 6ft under was prob the best finale scene ever.

Lost doesn't even compare.

[celery]

Seriously...

The Final scene in 6ft under was prob the best finale scene ever.

Lost doesn't even compare.

I'm not sure anything can compare to Six Feet Under - this still gives me chills.

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[HBox]

I think the finale to Deadwood was ballsy. Nothing happened. It's ballsy to end your series on an anti-climax.

[hammersavage]

For those curious, Lost drew 13.5 million viewers (vs. Apprentice's 9.3 million).


For the pop culture impact the show seems to have, its really a blip on the radar if you look at the ratings. It would seem to be bigger than it actually is because the fans are so loud.

[FatassTitePants]

Who were the skeletons in the light cave?

[K.C.]

For those curious, Lost drew 13.5 million viewers (vs. Apprentice's 9.3 million).


For the pop culture impact the show seems to have, its really a blip on the radar if you look at the ratings. It would seem to be bigger than it actually is because the fans are so loud.

Ratings don't mean anything anymore. Half the people DVR/OnDemand/Stream/Download the shows at this point.

Hell, 90% of the people I know who watched this show watched the majority of it on DVD.

[K.C.]

Lost doesn't even compare.

You're right, it was better.

I like the Six Feet Under finale a lot but 80% of the impact of the final montage is the Sia song. Which is fine, but like The Jays said, there's not a lot of thought to it...it's just depressing and beautiful.

Lost offers a level of philosophical discussion the other doesn't.

Both are ultimately about accepting death and letting go, though

[CurseoftheBambi]

jack said the clothes were 50 years old...jack is a leader, jack is a doctor but what jack isnt is an archaeologist and runs carbon dating tests. so he was at best making guess he has no training in doing that.

[K.C.]

jack said the clothes were 50 years old...jack is a leader, jack is a doctor but what jack isnt is an archaeologist and runs carbon dating tests. so he was at best making guess he has no training in doing that.

Plus I think he only said it takes 50 years to degrade that much...at certain point, it would just stop.

[TooLowBrow]

jack said the clothes were 50 years old...jack is a leader, jack is a doctor but what jack isnt is an archaeologist and runs carbon dating tests. so he was at best making guess he has no training in doing that.

i think even i would know the difference between a 50 year old corpse and one that was over a thousand years old
Plus I think he only said it takes 50 years to degrade that much...at certain point, it would just stop.
oh yeah, i forgot how things eventually stop decaying

[Furtherman]

Ratings don't mean anything anymore. Half the people DVR/OnDemand/Stream/Download the shows at this point.

Hell, 90% of the people I know who watched this show watched the majority of it on DVD.

Exactly right.

[Furtherman]

Who were the skeletons in the light cave?

Others who went down there.

[hammersavage]

Ratings don't mean anything anymore. Half the people DVR/OnDemand/Stream/Download the shows at this point.

Hell, 90% of the people I know who watched this show watched the majority of it on DVD.

not last night. I would say 100% of the people I know watched it live.

[Kevin]

You're right, it was better.

I like the Six Feet Under finale a lot but 80% of the impact of the final montage is the Sia song. Which is fine, but like The Jays said, there's not a lot of thought to it...it's just depressing and beautiful.

Lost offers a level of philosophical discussion the other doesn't.

Both are ultimately about accepting death and letting go, though

I'm not ashamed to say that the 6ft under finale montage actually made me cry.

Watching a group of people you've spent 5 6 years with just wither and die, combined with the Sia song.

It just brought mortality in your face.

I wasn't expecting it, but it hit me hard.

[Furtherman]

not last night. I would say 100% of the people I know watched it live.

I watched it DVR'd. So did disneyspy.

[hammersavage]

I watched it DVR'd. So did disneyspy.

I change my figure to 98%

[Pestz4Evah]

Twitter / Jeff Jensen : The plane wreckage over Lost credits: not part of the story, say reliable sources. Meant to evoke mood. No Ajira crash, no time loops. 7 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone (http://twitter.com/EWDocJensen/status/14660550241)

[K.C.]

I'm not ashamed to say that the 6ft under finale montage actually made me cry.

Watching a group of people you've spent 5 6 years with just wither and die, combined with the Sia song.

It just brought mortality in your face.

I wasn't expecting it, but it hit me hard.


And I wouldn't even try to argument the emotional impact of one vs. the other. SFU was way more poignant.

Lost requires peeling back so many different layers, I don't think it's the type of thing that really will click with someone who watches it until they really fully get it. And most people were confused when that show ended. When everything clicks and makes sense with it, I think then you really feel the impact of the end of those character arcs.

I like that...I understand why people don't.

[K.C.]

7 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone (http://twitter.com/EWDocJensen/status/14660550241)

I didn't know that even needed to be explained.

The title card went up, then they ran that over the credits.

[Kevin]

And I wouldn't even try to argument the emotional impact of one vs. the other. SFU was way more poignant.

Lost requires peeling back so many different layers, I don't think it's the type of thing that really will click with someone who watches it until they really fully get it. And most people were confused when that show ended. When everything clicks and makes sense with it, I think then you really feel the impact of the end of those character arcs.

I like that...I understand why people don't.

I need to rewatch it without commercials and stuff.

Some of my attention was on the Yankee game, esp at the end.

Ill hold off on my final judgment until i do.

[extracheese]

has doc jensen given his fairwell piece?

some trivia:

This episode made television history as the first scripted/non-sports TV show to have an episode be simulcast in multiple countries, other than the US and Canada. Italy, Ireland, Israel, Spain, Portugal, Turkey and the United Kingdom showed the episode at the same time as the West Coast broadcasting in the early hours of May 24, 2010 (5am to 7am, depending on location) in Europe.

Emmy eligibility rules state that the maximum length of Emmy-eligible TV episodes is 88 minutes (without commercials), but "The End", airing this Sunday, is 17 minutes too long. However, the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences Board of Governors voted last night to give the show a 1-time exemption. Such a "commonsense thinking" bending of the rules is not unprecedented and allows the episode to be considered for acting, directing and other individual honors

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8WPSiGBCAA

[underdog]

Here's a scene that explains why the Dharma initiative was founded. etc, etc.

How the DHARMA initiative was founded is explained, just online.

Battlestar Galactica. It was a great and intelligent show, much more than standard scifi and even more than Lost, that had such a ridiculously bad finale that I can't watch any episode of the series anymore. It was easily the worst 2 hours of TV I've ever seen. I could critique it from any angle. It was horrible on every level.

There's a series that answered every little question and suffered greatly for it.

Vanilla Sky did that, too. It was so wrapped up and terrible.

That fight was awesome. Jack and Locke running at each other will be one of my favorite Lost scenes.

Reminded me of one of the Matrix final scenes.

The show left unanswered questions but in the end the characters that we came to care about had a satisfying ending and that is what matters

YES. It became all about the characters again, what the show was always about.

how did jacob or mib know to tell ben to build the runway?

can they see the future?

Yes, they can. That's why Jacob was sitting there when Locke fell out of the window.

If people want a simple series finale, go watch The Wire or Six Feet Under.

SFU finale was the best I've ever seen. I'll put Lost as #2.

For those curious, Lost drew 13.5 million viewers (vs. Apprentice's 9.3 million).


For the pop culture impact the show seems to have, its really a blip on the radar if you look at the ratings

Who cares?

Before last night, I thought the writers were bullshitting when they said they knew how the series would end the whole time. I actually believe them now.

[TooLowBrow]

Yes, they can. That's why Jacob was sitting there when Locke fell out of the window.



when he drank with his 'mom' he got magic powers?

(although jack said he felt the same when it happened to him)

so jacob knew how itd turn out all along?

[underdog]

when he drank with his 'mom' he got magic powers?

(although jack said he felt the same when it happened to him)

so jacob knew how itd turn out all along?

I think Jacob was able to see the outcome, and that's why he didn't react to Ben stabbing him.

I also think Jacob seeing the future was the reason of the fertility issues on the island. It brought Juliet there, which set a lot of things in motion.

[TooLowBrow]

I think Jacob was able to see the outcome, and that's why he didn't react to Ben stabbing him.

I also think Jacob seeing the future was the reason of the fertility issues on the island. It brought Juliet there, which set a lot of things in motion.

yeah but then he couldve gone over to desmond when he first arrived on the island and then done what jack did

[underdog]

yeah but then he couldve gone over to desmond when he first arrived on the island and then done what jack did

It had to be by choice, or something like that. Jacob left everything up to other people's choice, probably because he knew what they'd choose.

[dino_electropolis]

It had to be by choice, or something like that. Jacob left everything up to other people's choice, probably because he knew what they'd choose.



Is this supposed to be ironic humor or do u really misunderstand the definition of choice?

If he knew what they were gonna do, that's destiny, not choice

[TooLowBrow]

It had to be by choice, or something like that. Jacob left everything up to other people's choice, probably because he knew what they'd choose.

well thats stupid cause it got a buncha people killed

[TooLowBrow]

how come no one got sick on the island, especially ben who had been shot and saved in the temple

but then ben got cancer?

[CurseoftheBambi]

wow ...just wow...From wackbag...i bow to this person.

Thsi was posted on Dark Ufo and is supposedly from someone who works for Bad Robot(who can't spell very well) . even if its not I find it pretty compelling.

First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.

[underdog]

Is this supposed to be ironic humor or do u really misunderstand the definition of choice?

If he knew what they were gonna do, that's destiny, not choice

There were a lot of people who were "forced" into choice on the island, Jacob included. He had a choice to take over for his mother, but there really was only one choice.

[TooLowBrow]

what were the rules?

like ben said shooting his daughter changed the rules

and jacobs free will rule, if he could see the future why didnt he spare the ones who were ineffectual?

shouldnt he have been ferrying off as many people, like lets say ana lucia, so she wasnt caught up in the drama he caused?

[TooLowBrow]

There were a lot of people who were "forced" into choice on the island, Jacob included. He had a choice to take over for his mother, but there really was only one choice.

forced choice isnt choice

[TooCute]

I guess my problem is that I did not give a shit about all the stupid whiney self absorbed characters and their lives.

Probably why I have hated the show for the past three seasons. Don't know why I thought the finale would be any different.

[Fallon]

There must be something with Asians and age.

Sun didnt age half as bad as claire did.

She got hotter.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2hfkmkw.jpg

[Fallon]

I watched it DVR'd. So did disneyspy.

Me too, caught some of the subway series and watched Lost commercial free.

Why have a DVR if you're not gonna be smart about it?

[NewYorkDragons80]

She got hotter.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2hfkmkw.jpg

I was never a big fan of Elizabeth Mitchell, but she was gorgeous in the hospital with Sawyer. Maybe it was her hair, but she looked fantastic.

[instrument]

i sat there waiting for jack to turn into smoke like an idiot!

We learned from unbreakable that the good guy and bad guy are always friends...

I just new a second after jacks eyes closed i was gonna hear the smoke monsters arriving horn blow.

[extracheese]

Thanks for posting that CurseOfTheBambi.
That was great insight from someone who was involved.

[Fallon]

I was never a big fan of Elizabeth Mitchell, but she was gorgeous in the hospital with Sawyer. Maybe it was her hair, but she looked fantastic.

Liz did some great Lez stuff with Angelina Jolie in Gia.

So good.

[CurseoftheBambi]

Thanks for posting that CurseOfTheBambi.
That was great insight from someone who was involved.

that was total great insight...i'm still in awe of it...and i knew some of but wow...

[fezident]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Mysteries

[Furtherman]

http://cdn.videogum.com/files/2010/05/jack_attack.jpg





Watching the final scenes again, I still feel it was done very well. I don't like that Sayid and Shannon end up together, with no mention of Nadia. Not happy about Jack and Kate ending up together either. I felt that Jack would end up a kind of lone-savior, which he did in life, but Kate was too unsure in her life to be matched up with Jack.

No matter, it was still a powerful moment.

[Furtherman]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Mysteries

Great site, showing the answers to almost all the questions had been answered.

[underdog]

I felt that Jack would end up a kind of lone-savior, which he did in life, but Kate was too unsure in her life to be matched up with Jack.

The show was about Jack first and Jack & Kate second. It was only natural that they'd end up together.

[Furtherman]

The show was about Jack first and Jack & Kate second. It was only natural that they'd end up together.

I can buy Kate being Jack's love of his life, but not the other way around. Their stories just didn't mesh that way enough.

[disneyspy]

I can buy Kate being Jack's love of his life, but not the other way around. Their stories just didn't mesh that way enough.

like when she said she's always been with him or when she said she always loved him or when she kissed him the first time or when she went back to hydra to get him or when...

[underdog]

like when she said she's always been with him or when she said she always loved him or when she kissed him the first time or when she went back to hydra to get him or when...

Seriously. And rewatch the pilot, the sexual tension between the two is astounding. Jack & Kate has been one of the main stories of the entire show, even when it's not spoken.

[Furtherman]

like when she said she's always been with him or when she said she always loved him or when she kissed him the first time or when she went back to hydra to get him or when...

She went with Sawyer, she hid secrets from him while they were married and split from him... I just never felt that she was totally in love with him. She settled for him. Other might have seen it differently, but I never felt they were a couple like Sawyer and Juliet.

[Furtherman]

Seriously. And rewatch the pilot, the sexual tension between the two is astounding. Jack & Kate has been one of the main stories of the entire show, even when it's not spoken.

I did the other night, and yea, it worked in the beginning, but I felt it deteriorated over the seasons.

[disneyspy]

She went with Sawyer, she hid secrets from him while they were married and split from him... I just never felt that she was totally in love with him. She settled for him. Other might have seen it differently, but I never felt they were a couple like Sawyer and Juliet.

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[Furtherman]

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[K.C.]

She went with Sawyer, she hid secrets from him while they were married and split from him... I just never felt that she was totally in love with him. She settled for him. Other might have seen it differently, but I never felt they were a couple like Sawyer and Juliet.

Kate's whole character arc is that she is completely incapable of feeling intimacy or attachment.

There's only really two people who ever break that wall...Jack and Aaron.

I agree that when they were off island and the whole episode where they were living together and going to get married was to highlight all the flaws and how that relationship didn't work.

But these two scenes really locked it in, late in Season 5, that she was all-in on him:

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Sawyer was never anything but a means to an end for her. Even in early Season 6, when she chased after him, she confessed she was doing it to get him to help her find Claire.

[K.C.]

EW put out its list of the 20 best TV finales:

20 - Friends
19 - E.R.
18 - Ugly Betty
17 - Six Feet Under
16 - The Wire
15 - Seinfeld (ewwwww)
14 - Battlestar Galactica
13 - Star Trek: The Next Generation
12 - Frasier
11 - The Cosby Show
10 - The Sopranos
9 - Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
8 - The Shield
7 - Lost
6 - M*A*S*H*
5 - Cheers
4 - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
3 - The Fugitive
2 - St. Elsewhere
1 - Newhart

[Suspect Chin]

EW put out its list of the 20 best TV finales:

20 - Friends
19 - E.R.
18 - Ugly Betty
17 - Six Feet Under
16 - The Wire
15 - Seinfeld (ewwwww)
14 - Battlestar Galactica
13 - Star Trek: The Next Generation
12 - Frasier
11 - The Cosby Show
10 - The Sopranos
9 - Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
8 - The Shield
7 - Lost
6 - M*A*S*H*
5 - Cheers
4 - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
3 - The Fugitive
2 - St. Elsewhere
1 - Newhart

Does that include Jello pudding pops or just plain Jello?

[HBox]

EW put out its list of the 20 best TV finales:

20 - Friends
19 - E.R.
18 - Ugly Betty
17 - Six Feet Under
16 - The Wire
15 - Seinfeld (ewwwww)
14 - Battlestar Galactica
13 - Star Trek: The Next Generation
12 - Frasier
11 - The Cosby Show
10 - The Sopranos
9 - Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
8 - The Shield
7 - Lost
6 - M*A*S*H*
5 - Cheers
4 - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
3 - The Fugitive
2 - St. Elsewhere
1 - Newhart

This list is useless.

[Kevin]

This list is useless.

That and anyone besides Newhart being ahead of Six ft Under.

[Suspect Chin]

It's pretty obvious that the list would be mostly accurate if it was labeled, 'Best Shows of All Time', but 'Best Finales', I don't think so. Especially not The Wire or The Sopranos. I think the author just listed those because they were amazing shows and couldn't be left out of any sort of 'All Time' TV list.

[fezident]

So.... what was the significance of Mr. Eko??

He was immune to smoke monster and seemed very much in tune with the island. Strange that he wasn't in those final reunion scenes.

[underdog]

EW put out its list of the 20 best TV finales:

20 - Friends
19 - E.R.
18 - Ugly Betty
17 - Six Feet Under
16 - The Wire
15 - Seinfeld (ewwwww)
14 - Battlestar Galactica
13 - Star Trek: The Next Generation
12 - Frasier
11 - The Cosby Show
10 - The Sopranos
9 - Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
8 - The Shield
7 - Lost
6 - M*A*S*H*
5 - Cheers
4 - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
3 - The Fugitive
2 - St. Elsewhere
1 - Newhart

How is Six Feet Under that low?

[underdog]

It's pretty obvious that the list would be mostly accurate if it was labeled, 'Best Shows of All Time', but 'Best Finales', I don't think so. Especially not The Wire or The Sopranos. I think the author just listed those because they were amazing shows and couldn't be left out of any sort of 'All Time' TV list.

I thought the Sopranos finale was fucking brilliant.

So.... what was the significance of Mr. Eko??

He was immune to smoke monster and seemed very much in tune with the island. Strange that he wasn't in those final reunion scenes.

Didn't the smoke monster kill mr. eko?

[Kevin]

I thought the Sopranos finale was fucking brilliant.



Didn't the smoke monster kill mr. eko?

He wanted 5x the money too, so the guys said fuck u.

[NewYorkDragons80]

So.... what was the significance of Mr. Eko??

He was immune to smoke monster and seemed very much in tune with the island. Strange that he wasn't in those final reunion scenes.

The final reunion scenes were for that very specific group of people. Eko would most likely move on in the afterlife with Yemi. Ji-Yeon, Walt, and Aaron would all go on to live their own lives and would be with their own groups of people. This is most evident with Helen, who moved on with her life after Locke and had already made her decision not to be with him; hence, Locke showing up to the Church alone. For the cynics who feel this ending was 100% fuzzy pandering, notice that Locke ended up without the woman he loved; because those in the Church needed to reciprocate that love.

[Furtherman]

So.... what was the significance of Mr. Eko??

He was immune to smoke monster and seemed very much in tune with the island. Strange that he wasn't in those final reunion scenes.

He wasn't there because the actor who played him did not want to come back to the show, there nothing could be done.

However, the last shot we saw after Eko died, was he as a child, walking with his brother. You could interpret that as to where he went in his afterlife.

[CurseoftheBambi]

aaron was there...with his mom and charlie.

I say this happened because Aaron was cared for on the island by those people and after claire, Kate, and Sawyer came back to him they were heavyily invested in his life. So much so that he probably cared for them more than any other event later in his life.

[Furtherman]

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[Tall_James]

How it should have ended...

http://i.imgur.com/2OXLq.gif

[Fallon]

How it should have ended...

http://i.imgur.com/2OXLq.gif

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Dell]

This list is useless.

I agree...never even saw an episode of Battle Star Galactica...

[K.C.]

aaron was there...with his mom and charlie.

I say this happened because Aaron was cared for on the island by those people and after claire, Kate, and Sawyer came back to him they were heavyily invested in his life. So much so that he probably cared for them more than any other event later in his life.

I'm not sure that Sideways Aaron was real.

The Sideways is purgatory, but it's kind of like Plato's Allegory of the Cave. A collective number of souls are chained facing the blank wall that is the Sideways world...a not quite fulfilling, not quite meaningful version of life.

Because they're linked, the Sideways is a composite of a lot of different things and ideas from their lives, but they aren't necessarily real in the sense that the Lostaways were.

Keamy, for instance, wasn't real. Neither was Mikhail. Otherwise neither would have died. They were tools constructed from the lives to serve a purpose of moving certain people through the Sideways.

David wasn't real either.

I think Aaron in the Sideways was the same way...a construct designed to offer Charlie and Claire a chance to throw of their chains.

That's not to say that when Aaron dies, he won't have a Sideways experience, but I don't think what we saw was his.

[brettmojo]

EW put out its list of the 20 best TV finales:

20 - Friends
19 - E.R.
18 - Ugly Betty
17 - Six Feet Under
16 - The Wire
15 - Seinfeld (ewwwww)
14 - Battlestar Galactica
13 - Star Trek: The Next Generation
12 - Frasier
11 - The Cosby Show
10 - The Sopranos
9 - Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
8 - The Shield
7 - Lost
6 - M*A*S*H*
5 - Cheers
4 - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
3 - The Fugitive
2 - St. Elsewhere
1 - Newhart
Star Trek TNG was a great finale and deserves to be higher... But no way was it better than Six Feet Under. Really? BUFFY and The Sopranos ranks higher than SFU? Fuck off.

[realmenhatelife]

I hated the last sequence of Six Feet Under, it was too damn depressing.

[The Jays]

I hate that people complain "the producers said it wasn't purgatory and it ended up being about purgatory." What if the producers were to say "yes, this is about purgatory." Why bother watching if they just gave you the answers?

I just watched it again, and again, none of the mysteries even matter. Regardless about the religion shit, they all find a way to "leave the island" and be with the ones they love.

And, like Kate said, "Christian Shepherd, seriously?" With a name like that, you should have known there would be some religious shit.

[fezident]

I notice a running "bad relationship with my father" theme through the entire series. I find it interesting the writers wove so much of these relationships into the character's arcs.

Locke and his biological dad were estranged... and then they had the kidney incident.
Jack and his father were all kinds of fucked up.
Kate killed her father (or was it her step father?)
Claire and Jack have the same father.
Sawyer's whole live was motivated by his desire to avenge his father.
Sun (and Jin) were at odds with her father.
Michael and Walt, and their relationship, was a major focal point of the 1st season.
Hugo and his dad were estranged until they eventually fixed up that old car.
Ben killed his father.


It's definitely a pattern that the writers/creators never seem to mention it when they are interviewed. I like it.

[instrument]

so....the nuke did nothing right?
just a big coincidence about sideways world being revealed in the next scene....but neither had nothing to do with one another.

gay.

[Furtherman]

so....the nuke did nothing right?
just a big coincidence about sideways world being revealed in the next scene....but neither had nothing to do with one another.

gay.

No, the nuke worked. Nothing to do with sideways, only to help Daniel remember.

[SP1!]

EW put out its list of the 20 best TV finales:

20 - Friends
19 - E.R.
18 - Ugly Betty
17 - Six Feet Under
16 - The Wire
15 - Seinfeld (ewwwww)
14 - Battlestar Galactica
13 - Star Trek: The Next Generation
12 - Frasier
11 - The Cosby Show
10 - The Sopranos
9 - Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
8 - The Shield
7 - Lost
6 - M*A*S*H*
5 - Cheers
4 - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
3 - The Fugitive
2 - St. Elsewhere
1 - Newhart

LOST does not deserve to be in the top 20, not a good ending regardless of what the producers thought the show was about, people tuned in for the weird shit going on and not the people or their relationships.

[underdog]

LOST does not deserve to be in the top 20, not a good ending regardless of what the producers thought the show was about, people tuned in for the weird shit going on and not the people or their relationships.

Oh, good, you're back.

[strawberrypop]

No, the Jughead did not go off. Trying to set it off and reset time broke the rules - Jacob's rules and the rules of time travel ("whatever happened, happened"). When Juliet smashed it, that breach of the rules caused the course correction that sent them back to the time they were supposed to have been in.

[disneyspy]

No, the Jughead did not go off. Trying to set it off and reset time broke the rules - Jacob's rules and the rules of time travel ("whatever happened, happened"). When Juliet smashed it, that breach of the rules caused the course correction that sent them back to the time they were supposed to have been in.

thats mutherfuckin brilliant,you're too good to post on this board

[sailor]

thats mutherfuckin brilliant,you're too good to post on this board

word. Lifetime ban.

[Furtherman]

No, the Jughead did not go off. Trying to set it off and reset time broke the rules - Jacob's rules and the rules of time travel ("whatever happened, happened"). When Juliet smashed it, that breach of the rules caused the course correction that sent them back to the time they were supposed to have been in.

Disagree.

It was the nuke going off that caused the course correction (Juliet: It worked).

Daniel Farraday remembered he set off the nuke in sideways world.

[disneyspy]

word. Lifetime ban.

dont you dare,you ban her and i walk,we have so very few non stupid posters here and to ban her will make this place unbearable

[Furtherman]

people tuned in for the weird shit going on and not the people or their relationships.

You did, not everyone.

[disneyspy]

Disagree.

It was the nuke going off that caused the course correction (Juliet: It worked).

Daniel Farraday remembered he set off the nuke in sideways world.

exhibit a)

[sailor]

dont you dare,you ban her and i walk,we have so very few non stupid posters here and to ban her will make this place unbearable


Make up your mind.

[Kevin]

dont you dare,you ban her and i walk,we have so very few non stupid posters here and to ban her will make this place unbearable



I would hope for her sake it would take more than a board compliment to get her in the sack. So stop trying so hard old man!

[disneyspy]

I would hope for her sake it would take more than a board compliment to get her in the sack. So stop trying so hard old man!

NOT ALL OF US ARE AS SEX STARVED AS YOU








and she thinks i'm in my 20s so shhhhhhhhh

[strawberrypop]

Disagree.

It was the nuke going off that caused the course correction (Juliet: It worked).


I took Juliet's "It worked" this way: she wasn't saying that setting off the Jughead went off when she said it worked, but it was the portion of her soul that was in between life and death, in between the real world and the sideways Purgation.

As she lay dying, she was starting the transition, as evidenced by some of the things that she said. In the few moments of/after death, her spirit was able to convey that thought to Miles, but she was moving into the Sideways world, where she and Sawyer would not remember each other...at least not for a while...and would thus not know the pain of separation. If you recall, her motivation was trying to forget Sawyer and avoid the knowledge of his feelings for Kate and/or the potential of his leaving her. She wanted a world in which they never met - the Sideways world.

[disneyspy]

I took Juliet's "It worked" this way: she wasn't saying that setting off the Jughead went off when she said it worked, but it was the portion of her soul that was in between life and death, in between the real world and the sideways Purgation.

As she lay dying, she was starting the transition, as evidenced by some of the things that she said. In the few moments of/after death, her spirit was able to convey that thought to Miles, but she was moving into the Sideways world, where she and Sawyer would not remember each other...at least not for a while...and would thus not know the pain of separation. If you recall, her motivation was trying to forget Sawyer and avoid the knowledge of his feelings for Kate and/or the potential of his leaving her. She wanted a world in which they never met - the Sideways world.

you are exactly right,dont waste your time trying to dumb it down so these half a retarts understand

[strawberrypop]

Haha. Ass-kisser.

[Kevin]

Haha. Ass-kisser.



burn

[1234Dracula]

There seems to be a few reasons people hated the ending; THEIR theory on how it shouldve ended didnt pan out, so the writers suck, or...they never really cared enough about the show in the first place, never understood what was happening, and therefore could never understand the ending. Or they just wanna be the cool kids and say it stunk.

Those of us who paid attention, and cared about the characters (since EVERY EPISODE was CHARACTER-CENTRIC), enjoyed the ending immensely. We were shocked, saddened, and amazed at once.

Of course, it's art. And art can be enjoyed or not. But those who won't allow themselves to get past silly island mysteries and enjoy what happened to the characters we all cared about so much...the main focus of the entire series... dont know what theyre missing.

Alot of people on this site complain that there's no "smart" television because the broadcast corporations won't take chances. All of your complaining about this intellectual ending won't help matters. THANK YOU ABC for the past 6 years!!!

[Kevin]

There seems to be a few reasons people hated the ending; THEIR theory on how it shouldve ended didnt pan out, so the writers suck, or...they never really cared enough about the show in the first place, never understood what was happening, and therefore could never understand the ending. Or they just wanna be the cool kids and say it stunk.

Those of us who paid attention, and cared about the characters (since EVERY EPISODE was CHARACTER-CENTRIC), enjoyed the ending immensely. We were shocked, saddened, and amazed at once.

Of course, it's art. And art can be enjoyed or not. But those who won't allow themselves to get past silly island mysteries and enjoy what happened to the characters we all cared about so much...the main focus of the entire series... dont know what theyre missing.

Alot of people on this site complain that there's no "smart" television because the broadcast corporations won't take chances. All of your complaining about this intellectual ending won't help matters. THANK YOU ABC for the past 6 years!!!



Disney will be hitting on you now.

[Furtherman]

There seems to be a few reasons people hated the ending; THEIR theory on how it shouldve ended didnt pan out, so the writers suck, or...they never really cared enough about the show in the first place, never understood what was happening, and therefore could never understand the ending. Or they just wanna be the cool kids and say it stunk.

Those of us who paid attention, and cared about the characters (since EVERY EPISODE was CHARACTER-CENTRIC), enjoyed the ending immensely. We were shocked, saddened, and amazed at once.

Of course, it's art. And art can be enjoyed or not. But those who won't allow themselves to get past silly island mysteries and enjoy what happened to the characters we all cared about so much...the main focus of the entire series... dont know what theyre missing.

Alot of people on this site complain that there's no "smart" television because the broadcast corporations won't take chances. All of your complaining about this intellectual ending won't help matters. THANK YOU ABC for the past 6 years!!!

Well said. :clap:

[strawberrypop]

burn

Nah. It was said affectionately. DS is a good egg.

[sailor]

Nah. It was said affectionately. DS is a good egg.


Pale, round and fragile?

[strawberrypop]

Yep. and full of spooge.

[Furtherman]

Can we trust Michael Emerson? Or is he just as weasely as his Lost character, Benjamin Linus? Because the actor just revealed startling news during an appearance on Attack of the Show!, and we need to know whether it's another one of those mind games we've grown so used to over the last six years.

It turns out that when the complete Lost series is released on DVD, the set will include what Emerson calls an "epilogue" that will focus on Ben and Hurley protecting the Island in the post-Jack era.

"It's 12 or 14 minutes that opens a window onto that gap of unknown time between Hurley becoming number one and the end of the series," Emerson told host Kevin Pereira. "It's self-contained, although it's a rich period in the show's mythology that has never been explored."

COOL. Although, since I had already bought all the previous seasons, that BETTER be available in the Season 6 DVD set alone. Or I'll turn into black smoke.

Or I'll just wait for it to show up on youtube.

[mikeyboy]

COOL. Although, since I had already bought all the previous seasons, that BETTER be available in the Season 6 DVD set alone. Or I'll turn into black smoke.

Or I'll just wait for it to show up on youtube.

I hope they call it "Lost: The New Class"

[fezident]

Random question:
How did Jack get out of the pool of light and back onto the surface of the island? He was mortally wounded and no longer "Jack-ob" at that point. The rope was used to pull up Desmond.

Yeah... I'm nitpicking, but... still... I'm wondering.

[Furtherman]

Random question:
How did Jack get out of the pool of light and back onto the surface of the island? He was mortally wounded and no longer "Jack-ob" at that point. The rope was used to pull up Desmond.

Yeah... I'm nitpicking, but... still... I'm wondering.

The same thing happened to MIB. After entering the light, his body ended up in the jungle. It also happened that way to Desmond after he turned the failsafe key, although he ended up in the jungle naked.

[CurseoftheBambi]

yeah there will be a seperate season 6 dvd....just wondering how we're gonna get or hands on the extra dvd coming with the complete 1-6 version....

and by the way most didnt get the ending cause somehow someway they missed what Christian said to Jack in the church and said "they're all dead since the crash!!" way to not hear the main points of sideways world, and that the island (seasons 1-5 and parts of 6 not having to do with sideways were real).

[King Imp]

Finally got around to watching the last two episodes.

I'd say it was a satisfying ending, but I am confused about something. We were led to believe that if the light went out on the island, then all life would end because evil (aka Smokey) would be able to leave. Well, was that a lie then? Once that light went out, he became human again and was able to be killed.

As for the whole Jack's kid thing, I took that as Jack trying to right the wrongs he experienced with his own father.

[CurseoftheBambi]

once the light went out he would have left the island if they didn't stop him then the world would have ended as i understood that.

[King Imp]

once the light went out he would have left the island if they didn't stop him then the world would have ended as i understood that.

But the way they explained it, unless I misunderstood, is that Smokey needed Desmond to kill the light before he could leave. Well, if he became human after the light was extinguished, then what threat was he to human life? And if he wasn't a threat, then why was there ever a need to protect this light?

[Kevin]

So when the other guy talked to that other guy about that thing about that place around that time, what was that about???

[strawberrypop]

So when the other guy talked to that other guy about that thing about that place around that time, what was that about???

Marshmallow Twizzlers. He thought they should be invented, but the other guy was like, eww, don't be a weirdo. Then they both fell over dead because that's a retarded conversation.

[Kevin]

Marshmallow Twizzlers. He thought they should be invented, but the other guy was like, eww, don't be a weirdo. Then they both fell over dead because that's a retarded conversation.



Disney was right, you are smart!

[fezident]

I too was confused about consequences of extinguishing the light. According to Jacob's "mother",
"there is a little bit of that light in everyone....and if the light goes out HERE, the light goes out EVERYWHERE."

Also, there's been many mentions of "everyone we've ever known and loved will cease to exist".
So, yeah, I was surprised and confused when (basically) nothing happened when Desmond extinguished the light.

(also, I thought it was counter-intuitive that Dez had to UNplug the pool to put OUT the light, and that corking it would keep it lit. Seems backwards to me.)

[K.C.]

Jughead went off. It caused the pregnancy issue.

The light going out and staying out is what would have caused the end of existence, because the light is the source of life. MIB would have never left, existence would have just ended. That's what he didn't understand...his mother foresaw him never leaving, and it was cemented when his life became bound to the cave and turned him into the Smoke Monster. There's no way he could leave at that point.

[underdog]

Jughead went off. It caused the pregnancy issue.

I think the pregnancy issue was created by Jacob to bring Juliet to the island. It was the beginning of a large set of plans.

[fezident]

I think the pregnancy issue was created by Jacob to bring Juliet to the island. It was the beginning of a large set of plans.
That's a popular theory but, for my money, it's a bit too out there.
It's one of things that make the show a bit too confusing.
Why? Because it implies that:
Jacob is so powerful and all knowing that he had knowledge of the skillset, personality, and tendencies of every single person on earth. With that knowledge, he brought dozens (hundreds? Thousands?!) of people to the island... to include, but not limited to, the Dharma Inititiative. Which would cause Ben's father to bring him there 40 years ago. Just so Ben could grow up there, and eventually hire Juliette, just so she could eventually form a relationship with Sawyer.... fall in love with him.... which would eventually change the way he interacted with Jack, who was "destined" to sacrifice himself just, ultimately, have HUGO be the true guardian.

A guy could go nuts working out the beats. I think at least SOME of these characters just kinda happen to be here. The alternative is, basically, the whole planet is under Jacob's control. (or at he very least, his "watch")

It's

[Contra]

That's a popular theory but, for my money, it's a bit too out there.
It's one of things that make the show a bit too confusing.
Why? Because it implies that:
Jacob is so powerful and all knowing that he had knowledge of the skillset, personality, and tendencies of every single person on earth. With that knowledge, he brought dozens (hundreds? Thousands?!) of people to the island... to include, but not limited to, the Dharma Inititiative. Which would cause Ben's father to bring him there 40 years ago. Just so Ben could grow up there, and eventually hire Juliette, just so she could eventually form a relationship with Sawyer.... fall in love with him.... which would eventually change the way he interacted with Jack, who was "destined" to sacrifice himself just, ultimately, have HUGO be the true guardian.

A guy could go nuts working out the beats. I think at least SOME of these characters just kinda happen to be here. The alternative is, basically, the whole planet is under Jacob's control. (or at he very least, his "watch")

It's

well yeah I think that is kind of true. I mean we are talking about the Guy that is protecting pretty much there mos sacred thing on earth. I would imagine he had some pretty immense power and understanding of things. however
I think every set of candidates had their own set of circumstances and planning.

I love the fact that there are many different theories.

[underdog]

That's a popular theory but, for my money, it's a bit too out there.
It's one of things that make the show a bit too confusing.
Why? Because it implies that:
Jacob is so powerful and all knowing that he had knowledge of the skillset, personality, and tendencies of every single person on earth. With that knowledge, he brought dozens (hundreds? Thousands?!) of people to the island... to include, but not limited to, the Dharma Inititiative. Which would cause Ben's father to bring him there 40 years ago. Just so Ben could grow up there, and eventually hire Juliette, just so she could eventually form a relationship with Sawyer.... fall in love with him.... which would eventually change the way he interacted with Jack, who was "destined" to sacrifice himself just, ultimately, have HUGO be the true guardian.

A guy could go nuts working out the beats. I think at least SOME of these characters just kinda happen to be here. The alternative is, basically, the whole planet is under Jacob's control. (or at he very least, his "watch")

It's

He was sitting outside on a bench at the exact moment Locke fell out a window. Time was probably much different to him than we view it.

[fezident]

I mean we are talking about the Guy that is protecting pretty much there mos sacred thing on earth. I would imagine he had some pretty immense power and understanding of things.

That's a bit of a stretch though. There was nothing special about Jacob. He was a human child... born of a human mother. All he did was accept a drink from the previous guardian (Alison Janey) and that was it. Jack went through the same ritual and he didn't appear to gain vast amounts of knowledge or power. Nor did Hugo. It's also worth mentioning that Alison Janey herself didn't seem to be particularly powerful. I'm not 100% sure that she even knew that there were other people ("men!") on the island with her. She definitely didn't know that Claudia was about to deliver TWINS. She seemed surprised by that.

[extracheese]

We know Jacob was powerful enough to exist in each candidates past, touch them physically and change their life. His touch got them to come to the Island. It brought people back from the dead. And after Jacob died he was able to appear to the candidates.

Far more than human.

[fezident]

Far more than human.

Clearly. No argument there.


I was referring to his birth. He was born a normal child. How he acquired his powers is an unknown. Having said that, it doesn't APPEAR like he has god-like powers that would give him knowledge and awareness (and control?!) of every single living being on earth. Therefore... it's illogical to presume that he was directly responsible for every minute detail of the show's plotlines. Did he influence the passengers? YES.
But... to think that he was responsible for every single soul that showed up on that shore seems a tad outlandish. All the hundreds of people that worked for Dharma... The Others... etc.... they all had a butterfly effect on Jack's life. An effect that would ultimately lead to his "decision" to assume ownership of the island. (and eventually... to Hugo)


To be honest, I think I would have enjoyed the show WITHOUT all the mysteriousness. I could have done without their individual backstories and intertwining past-experiences. I really don't see the need to spend all that time on Jin's experiences as henchman for Sun's fathers. Or Hugo's time fixing that old car. Or Sawyer's days of swindling the ladies. Or the success of Driveshaft.
I think I would've enjoyed the show if they simply focused on the light at the heart of the island... and Jacob's search for a successor. Yeah... it would've pushed the show in more of a Twilight Zone, Xfiles, Fringe, direction but... those are good shows!
All that time we spent in the hatch... watching portions of instructional videos.... living in bear cages.... and watching Sayid in the desert (etc etc) seem quite distant from where the show eventually ended up.

This show -should -have been a 10-hour mini-series.

[underdog]

I find it funny that people, ron included, think this show wasn't character driven from the start. When I started watching this show in february, my biggest complaint was how many flashbacks there were and how much they focused solely on the characters. That first season is just 24 episodes of flashbacks.

[Kevin]

Ok...

I re watched the final ep..

I have to say, i liked it a hell of alot more this time around then i did Sunday night.

I thought it was well done, and even though we didn't get everything answered, We got character closure, which is all you can ask for in a finale.

I have a couple questions..

1. Why was everyone waiting for Jack. It didn't seem like he was the last to die of the group. Was it so he can finally find his way to them?

2. Why didn't Ben go in? Was it because he felt that he was a total dick to everyone and didn't find himself worthy?

I know he stood behind with Hugo, but even Hugo was there in the church. Did he take Hugo's place after?

[NewYorkDragons80]

COOL. Although, since I had already bought all the previous seasons, that BETTER be available in the Season 6 DVD set alone. Or I'll turn into black smoke.

Or I'll just wait for it to show up on youtube.

If it's 12-14 minutes of Kimmel-produced material, then Cuse, Lindelof, and Kimmel should prepare for a violent reaction.

[fezident]

Ok...



1. Why was everyone waiting for Jack. It didn't seem like he was the last to die of the group. Was it so he can finally find his way to them?




I've thought a lot about that very question. Here's my theory.

The series is Jack's. It's basically follows his arc. Therefore... the ending to the series was "for" him.
Meaning.... in Kate's version of heaven... everyone would've been waiting for her. In Sawyer's... for him.

Jack's father clearly states that everyone has died but not all at the same time. "Some died before you. Some died loooong after."
From Jack's POV, that was death, and his acceptance of it.





When I die, I'm not gonna be reunited with YOUR loved ones. Your pets. Your family. And you will not be reunited with mine.


These were Jack's.

[NewYorkDragons80]

2. Why didn't Ben go in? Was it because he felt that he was a total dick to everyone and didn't find himself worthy?

My guess is 1) he's atoning for past indiscretions or 2) he would prefer to be with Alex or his father

[Kevin]

I've thought a lot about that very question. Here's my theory.

The series is Jack's. It's basically follows his arc. Therefore... the ending to the series was "for" him.
Meaning.... in Kate's version of heaven... everyone would've been waiting for her. In Sawyer's... for him.

Jack's father clearly states that everyone has died but not all at the same time. "Some died before you. Some died loooong after."
From Jack's POV, that was death, and his acceptance of it.





When I die, I'm not gonna be reunited with YOUR loved ones. Your pets. Your family. And you will not be reunited with mine.


These were Jack's.


Yea but then they wouldn't really be together for real, if they each are in their own heaven...

Plus they were not in heaven yet, they were all going when the door opened...

[fezident]

Yea but then they wouldn't really be together for real, if they each are in their own heaven...

Plus they were not in heaven yet, they were all going when the door opened...

Right on.
Perhaps I should've said "ascending to heaven". Or "at the pearly gates".
And I definitely DO think the same person could appear in more than version of heaven. It would depend on what each dying person desired.
It is all part of the process of dying, acceptance, and moving on. "Putting things in terms one can easily understand", etc etc.
Meaning.... when, say, Lapidus dies... it won't be Christian Sheppard who ushers him through the gates. It would be HIS father (or whatever). Jack would be there though. Because HIS concept of heaven includes Jack. (perhaps)

IMO, this explains why Libby and Penny were there. In JACK'S version of heaven... Hugo and Desmond are happy and content. Being with these women brings Hugo and Desmond happiness.

[underdog]

I've thought a lot about that very question. Here's my theory.

The series is Jack's. It's basically follows his arc. Therefore... the ending to the series was "for" him.
Meaning.... in Kate's version of heaven... everyone would've been waiting for her. In Sawyer's... for him.

Jack's father clearly states that everyone has died but not all at the same time. "Some died before you. Some died loooong after."
From Jack's POV, that was death, and his acceptance of it.





When I die, I'm not gonna be reunited with YOUR loved ones. Your pets. Your family. And you will not be reunited with mine.


These were Jack's.

Yeah, I kind of took it as Jack's version of purgatory/heaven, as well. It was always Jack's story, and I think that continued into purgatory.

[strawberrypop]

Jacob is so powerful and all knowing that he had knowledge of the skillset, personality, and tendencies of every single person on earth.

When the actor who played Jacob was asked what he experienced when he drank from the cup, he said that he saw all of reality laid out before him and was aware of all of it at once, and that this vision continued throughout his lifetime, and, as someone else said, it's outside of time.

Jack was the last to join them because he had the most difficult time letting go of the world he had created in Sideways land. He had a son in whom he was able to assuage his guilt for his lack of forgiving his father, and for the spiral to death that caused in Christian - remember, his son forgave him fairly easily for the same wrongs that Christian had committed unto Jack. And Jack, from episode one, has shown that he has a difficult time letting go - of guilt, of control, of needing to understand everything, of needing to save everyone, of his issues. This last season has been about him doing just that - in both worlds - but it hasn't been easy.

The most beautiful thing I've read on that is from Doc Jensen:

When Jack Shephard was a boy, his father, angry and drunk, told him he didn't have what it took to be a hero because he didn't know when to let go. It hurt Jack to hear that back then, and Christian never should have said it, not like that. But he was right. And the time had come for Jack to embrace that truth.

With fear and trembling, Jack stepped out of the cloakroom and into the sanctuary where his soulmates were waiting for him. Was he fully enlightened by that point? I think no. I think a few more things needed to happen, and they all did. I think he needed to be greeted by John Locke. Greeted with that smile and that handshake and be told, ''I'm glad you decided to join us.'' I think he needed to be touched by his friends. Hugged by Boone, the man he couldn't save. Hugged by Sawyer, his enemy turned ally. Hugged by Desmond, his brother in Island salvation. Bear hugged by Hurley, who takes care of everyone. Then he needed to be led by Kate to his seat, and he needed one act of love from his father, that touch that said, ''I'm proud of you.'' Christian opened the doors. Light flooded into the church. Jack smiled. It was real. It was all real. And in that moment, he was complete. Redeemed. Reconciled. Restored. He remembered his last moments on The Island. He remembered his sacrifice. He remembered he had lived a life, a hard life, a life full of mistakes and pain, but that in the end, the good in him won out, and that he died with heart in the right place. He was a hero. And he let go. The End.

[Furtherman]

It's also worth mentioning that Alison Janey herself didn't seem to be particularly powerful.

I think she was a smoke monster too, the way she destroyed the well and MIB's people he went to live with.


I've thought a lot about that very question. Here's my theory.

The series is Jack's. It's basically follows his arc. Therefore... the ending to the series was "for" him.
Meaning.... in Kate's version of heaven... everyone would've been waiting for her. In Sawyer's... for him.

Jack's father clearly states that everyone has died but not all at the same time. "Some died before you. Some died loooong after."
From Jack's POV, that was death, and his acceptance of it.





When I die, I'm not gonna be reunited with YOUR loved ones. Your pets. Your family. And you will not be reunited with mine.


These were Jack's.

Well said, that's what I got from it too.

It also got me thinking about eternity, and how "there is no "now", here". If there is such a thing as an afterlife in eternity, then we're already there, since there would be no yesterday, tomorrow or 10:12 am on a Friday in such a place. So we exist here, in real life, as much as we do there, in eternity, at this very moment.

[Furtherman]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/05/500x_106463731.jpg

[EliSnow]

It also got me thinking about eternity, and how "there is no "now", here". If there is such a thing as an afterlife in eternity, then we're already there, since there would be no yesterday, tomorrow or 10:12 am on a Friday in such a place. So we exist here, in real life, as much as we do there, in eternity, at this very moment.

I thought the same thing when I watched the show last night. It really is a great thought about the afterlife. Time exists here because it's part of our physics of our universe. If there is an afterlife, who says it would need to be bound by those laws. Time would not have to be linear there, and everyone could exist there at once. A variation of Slaughterhouse Five.

I liked the finale. I understand the criticism of the show and the finale, but for me, it was less about the various "answers" and more about the story and characters. I have my theories about the various things that happened, but I don't need them answered to have enjoyed the show.

[EliSnow]

But the way they explained it, unless I misunderstood, is that Smokey needed Desmond to kill the light before he could leave. Well, if he became human after the light was extinguished, then what threat was he to human life? And if he wasn't a threat, then why was there ever a need to protect this light?

I don't think that Smokey (or Samuel which was apparently is unspoken name) needed to kill the light before he could leave. What he needed to do was to kill the candidates. Remember, he wanted Desmond dead earlier, and thought he was going to be able to leave once all the candidates were dead.

But after his attempt to kill the candidates failed, and they were on to him, his chances of getting someone to kill them again were limited.

But he's been angry at Jacob and the Island all along. He arranged for Jacob's death and the island still existed. So he decided I'm going to destroy the island once and for all.

As for the need to protect the light, as the Mother told Jacob, the threat to the light wasn't always Smokey/Samuel. It was other men as well, men who wanted to use the island for their own benefit.

And why kill Smokey/Samuel after extinguishing the light, well, he did kill a lot of people before. And once the light came back on, he could be a threat again. So just get rid of him and then restart the light.

Also, I believe that the light was linked to life on the rest of the planet. So for the rest of the planet, they needed to restart the light.

(For the Blackest Night readers, maybe the light was like the entity for the White Lantern?)

[EliSnow]

His touch got them to come to the Island. It brought people back from the dead.

Who did he bring back from the dead. When Richard throught Locke was alive, he said that he had seen a lot of things, but never anyone coming back from the dead.

[strawberrypop]

The light was the source of life, of the soul. When the cork was removed, it was extinguished, and the light there didn't just go out, but the bit of it that is in each man, woman, and child was, also. Therefore, that which was eternal in each person no longer existed - so, what Jacob said, was true. It meant the end of humanity - not the physical end, but the spiritual end. It meant the end of the everlasting soul, the afterlife, all of it.

When the light went out, the Man in Black reverted from pure spiritual form to pure physical form. He could then be killed. And he was.

I see the cork as a metaphor for the cross in Christianity. It was removed - Jesus the man died - a period of 3 days (or whatever on the island) of darkness ensued. In the Christian version of things, Jesus was in the land of the dead for those three days. Satan thought he had won, since humanity had killed its God and irrevocably removed itself from His influence, mercy, grace, whatever.

Similarly, the fires of hell appear to have cropped up where the light formerly was in the cave. All was dark. The man in black attempted to kill Jack, and wounded him. Note the wound in his side...like the spear that was thrust through Jesus' to let out the last of his blood and hurry along his death.

But it wasn't over, in either story. Christ was ressurected, conquering Satan, beating death and completing the act of salvation. Conquering death so that humanity could do so through him.

Kate shot the Man-in-black - most people probably wanted it to be Jack, but i like that it was Kate. It reenforces that they were a community, that it wasn't all about one person, that it took all of their efforts. Then, the cork had to be restored to its place so that the light could return. I don't think it was the cork that turned the light back on as much as it was Jack's sacrifice. He went into the cave - and this is the important part - expecting and planning to die. to give up his life so that the rest of humanity - his friends - the island - whatever - would survive. He gave this freely, the cork was replaced, and the light came back.

If you noticed, the light was very dim before Jack did this. Afterwards, it burned much more brightly.

[disneyspy]

save your typing straw,some of these fools think the nuke went off

[CurseoftheBambi]

i have to ask this...does anyone still think that they all died in the crash and this whole thing was their brains bzzting around till that spark died or whatever? :wacko:

Just so i'm understood (i don't believe this) but just asking if there are any hold outs for this theory not supported by the series.

[Furtherman]

No, those who survived the crash, had their island adventure.

[Kevin]

This was all done by mice who paid for this world.

They were trying to find the answer to the ultimate question..

[EliSnow]

This was all done by mice who paid for this world.

They were trying to find the answer to the ultimate question..

well it wasn't 42.

If this is true we need another season to determine what the ultimate question is.

[Kevin]

well it wasn't 42.

If this is true we need another season to determine what the ultimate question is.



They didnt go to heaven at the end but a vulgon space ship.

[sailor]

Vogon

[Kevin]

Vogon



Why must you Sailor everything.

[K.C.]

I disagree with the notion that it was "Jack's version of events" in terms of what happened in the Sideways.

They waited, because once they remembered, they:
a) felt an obligation to help their other friends remember
b) wanted to leave together.

I think it was a pretty objective state of events (at least as objective as crazy Sideways purgatory where everyone gets together and is absorbed into giant church light gets).

Otherwise, it seems kind of meaningless. Especially from the perspective of the Jack character, part of the charm of it is that Kate never forgot him and the impact he made on her, as did a lot of the others who looked to Jack (I thought the moment they gave him and Boone in that sequence was a really great call back).

Ben didn't go in because he hadn't reconciled the discrepancies between what he thought his life should have been (Sideways construct of his life) and what it was (evil Island overlord...at least until the end of the timeline as far as the series goes...he presumably was a good boy under Hugo's leadership).

[PD]

It brought people back from the dead.
this is the only one I think isn't so. As we saw about Locke, Dead is Dead. What Jacob's touch was able to do was restore their health before they died.

edit:
I see EliSnow answered this as well.

[EliSnow]

I disagree with the notion that it was "Jack's version of events" in terms of what happened in the Sideways.

They waited, because once they remembered, they:
a) felt an obligation to help their other friends remember
b) wanted to leave together.

I think it was a pretty objective state of events (at least as objective as crazy Sideways purgatory where everyone gets together and is absorbed into giant church light gets).

Otherwise, it seems kind of meaningless. Especially from the perspective of the Jack character, part of the charm of it is that Kate never forgot him and the impact he made on her, as did a lot of the others who looked to Jack (I thought the moment they gave him and Boone in that sequence was a really great call back).

I agree. Although there was no "now" there, it's not like everyone had remembered and were waiting for Jack. They all remembered at different times, but were important to each other, so they wanted to go together as a group.

Ben didn't go in because he hadn't reconciled the discrepancies between what he thought his life should have been (Sideways construct of his life) and what it was (evil Island overlord...at least until the end of the timeline as far as the series goes...he presumably was a good boy under Hugo's leadership).


Again, I agree. And I like this idea of purgatory. My "learning" of purgatory has always been that a soul goes to purgatory when they have not "resolved" their sins. I like that the resolution is they need to remember their past lives and then be resolved themselves with what they did. Ben did a shit load of bad things, and he apparently he didn't feel that he had resolved those things and was not ready to move on, even if others, such as Hurley, thought he was ready.

[K.C.]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0756665949/ref=s9_newr_gw_ir05?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1Y8R9W1CDFM4618RR2SY&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

I've thought about purchasing that, but honestly, what can they tell me that I don't already know...I've watched this show more than any show I've EVER watched...

Meh...still might be a nice collector's item....that and the bobbleheads they're selling on ABC.com (which I know I'll stupidly buy all of).

[disneyspy]

how many of you retards still think the nuke went off?

[K.C.]

how many of you retards still think the nuke went off?

This one.

It caused the pregnancy issue on the island.

[disneyspy]

This one.

It caused the pregnancy issue on the island.

not,think harder and dont tell him strawberry pop

[boobieman]

To me the ending of lost sounds like hell....

In a church and surrounded by people from your life..yuck...i think I might start praying now...Please don't let this happen to me...Please Please PLEASE

SSSSYEYAYYAYAAAAA

[sailor]

To me the ending of lost sounds like hell....

In a church and surrounded by people from your life..yuck...i think I might start praying now...Please don't let this happen to me...Please Please PLEASE

SSSSYEYAYYAYAAAAA

the people you liked.

[instrument]

How can a "nuke" "going off" cause pregnancy issues? It was removed from its payload,

[K.C.]

How can a "nuke" "going off" cause pregnancy issues? It was removed from its payload,

Lingering radiation:

http://nuclear-news.net/2010/03/25/radiation-effects-higher-birth-defects-in-chernobyl-area/

It's always been a disputed area of science.

Plus, I think they somewhat established that the pockets of energy are reservoirs of the "source"...if the "source" is life and death and you drop a nuke on it...from a Sci-Fi perspective, let's just say that could lead interesting circumstances.

[K.C.]

not,think harder and dont tell him strawberry pop

I know the counter-argument. And actually it's a fairly good one.

But I like the irony of Juliet causing the pregnancy problem she was brought to the island to fix.

[disneyspy]

Lingering radiation:

http://nuclear-news.net/2010/03/25/radiation-effects-higher-birth-defects-in-chernobyl-area/

It's always been a disputed area of science.

Plus, I think they somewhat establish that the pockets of energy are reservoirs of the "source"...if the "source" is life and death and you drop a nuke on it...from a Sci-Fi perspective, let's just say that could lead interesting circumstances.

so you didnt believe farady when he said the past was their present and they could die?

which would happen if you were on top of a nuke that exploded

[K.C.]

so you didnt believe farady when he said the past was their present and they could die?

which would happen if you were on top of a nuke that exploded


Faraday is right...but it's also established that the candidates couldn't kill themselves while they were still candidates, which is what they would be doing. That was the "violation" that sent them hurdling back through time.