Lost: The Final Season - Destiny Found

[K.C.]

The idea that you need a letter of rec from a Yale grad to get in to Yale is just silly.

Skull & Bones rules the world, bitches!!!!

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/satanist-george_bush.jpg

[K.C.]

I've been thinking about this angle a lot lately:

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In my recap of ''Sundown'' last week, I proposed that the Island portion of Lost 6.0 will take place over three full days, using the Biblical template of Christ's long Easter weekend trip to hell and back. The first six hours of the season took us through the dark night of Good Friday, which means that ''Dr. Linus'' brought us to Saturday morning. On Saturday, as Jesus assayed the Harrowing in the underworld, his disciples on Earth were presumably freaking out, feeling a little bit like Sally Brown, I'm sure. The Island story in ''Dr. Linus'' focused on three disciples of Jacob who processed their grief and despair and anger over his death in different ways. Richard wanted to die. Ilana wanted vengeance. Ben, as usual, just wanted to survive, by any means necessary. All three were on the precipice of making dark, damning choices to resolve their agita. Instead, they each chose something different, and found themselves stumbling into something totally unexpected: hope.

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Summation: I think real John Locke is coming back before the end. I'm not sure if it'll be a straight resurrection, Sideways Locke ending up on the Island, or something completely different, but real Locke is still the key to this show...don't be fooled.

[disneyspy]

but charlie died

i do like where you're going with this

[K.C.]

By the way, you can cross one mystery off the list.

If you listen to the podcast this week, Darlton talked about all the questions they always get about Annie from the first Ben episode and what her significance is.

They basically said she was significant in the sense that they were trying to illustrate Ben had such limited romantic-type interactions in his life, and that his obsession over Juliet was fueled by a desire to recapture that experience from earlier in his life.

So she has no real further significance and won't be revisited.

[K.C.]

Gotta figure Emerson's getting another emmy...


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[Tall_James]

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[Doctor Manhattan]

Image from tonight's Lost, so don't click if you are avoiding spoilers:

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Who hell is she? She almost looks like 4 different women on Lost

[Aggie]

Image from tonight's Lost, so don't click if you are avoiding spoilers:

http://img.trekmovie.com/images/sfs/lost-1-large-sftv111.jpg

Who hell is she? She almost looks like 4 different women on Lost

what the?????

[Ocho Cinco]

By the way, you can cross one mystery off the list.

If you listen to the podcast this week, Darlton talked about all the questions they always get about Annie from the first Ben episode and what her significance is.

They basically said she was significant in the sense that they were trying to illustrate Ben had such limited romantic-type interactions in his life, and that his obsession over Juliet was fueled by a desire to recapture that experience from earlier in his life.

So she has no real further significance and won't be revisited.

i'm at least glad they explained the angle, now that i realize her purpose it makes sense why they didn't feel the need to show what happened to her. i just took the angle that it was a love story but it really wasn't. i'm just a sucker for love stories like a lot of people i guess which is why sayed's story has always interested me the most. if the producers never even acknowledged annie again i would have been let down but after there explanation i totally understand it now

i am so f'n fired up for 2nite, tuesday night lost is best thing ever

[K.C.]

Image from tonight's Lost, so don't click if you are avoiding spoilers:

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Who hell is she? She almost looks like 4 different women on Lost

Tina Fey is joining Lost??

Probably from the Ajira Flight...remember Locke said his group was going to the Hydra. Wonder if he wants Sawyer to kill her, or the Ajira peeps.

[disneyspy]

hahahaaha,real world sawyer is an UNDERCOVER cop!

[HBox]

Oh shit. Locke had to slap a bitch.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Widmores people?

[booster11373]

The kid from Kate and Allie?

[disneyspy]

bout time the ann arbor crew made their appearance

ps- ive think clare's baby's skull is that of a wolverine,this season's U of M reference

[Dan 'Hampton]

That was the last wild wolverine that crazy ausi bitch.

[Brad_Rush]

looking forward to next week!

[realmenhatelife]

I think Desmond is locked in the room.

[K.C.]

Not a fan of the episode.

First, I guarantee everyone will be talking about:
-Whether the conversation between Kate and Locke means that the Smoke Monster is some version of Aaron.
-Whether Desmond is the one locked in the brig on the sub.

I don't really think either are true.

I do think we were suppose to learn from the flash sideways that Sawyer is tilting towards a redemptive path, but that attaching himself to Kate may be his ultimate downfall (hence Kate literally crashing into him)

[disneyspy]

I think Desmond is locked in the room.

good call

[razorboy]

I really hoped this wouldn't be the case, but the show is just getting stupid.

[hammersavage]

I really hoped this wouldn't be the case, but the show is just getting stupid.

kinda, yea

[Servo]

I liked the episode.

I think it's clear that Sawyer's search for Anthony Cooper will bring him to cross paths with Locke, and that will somehow coincide with what's happening on the island between them.

The only thing I didn't like was Sawyer's declaration to Kate at the end that they weren't going to take the plane, they were taking the sub... as if that would be easier for them to pilot than the plane.

[K.C.]

I liked the episode.

I think it's clear that Sawyer's search for Anthony Cooper will bring him to cross paths with Locke, and that will somehow coincide with what's happening on the island between them.

The only thing I didn't like was Sawyer's declaration to Kate at the end that they weren't going to take the plane, they were taking the sub... as if that would be easier for them to pilot than the plane.

I guarantee beyond a shadow of a doubt someone's blowing that sub up just like the one in Season 3.

In fact, I think that locked room is full of explosives just like the Freighter was...another Widmore failsafe.

[Furtherman]

Great episode... Sawyer as a cop with Miles as his partner! Awesome pairing. Another great setup by Sawyer... Conning both sides once again. This mirror of season one is going brilliantly...and Charlotte looked smoking!

Love the Desmond in the sub theory.

[CountryBob]

Charlotte makes me happy in my pants!

[Doctor Manhattan]

I think it's clear that Sawyer's search for Anthony Cooper will bring him to cross paths with Locke, and that will somehow coincide with what's happening on the island between them.

What is interesting to me is that they implied that Anthony Cooper has a good relationship with Locke (Helen mentioned bringing Anthony and her parents to a wedding in Vegas) so it would seem that Anthony did not cause Locke's paralysis. So Anthony is still a con man but may not have conned Locke, or Locke's dad is not the same Sawyer/Anthony Cooper that Detective James Ford is looking for.

The only thing I didn't like was Sawyer's declaration to Kate at the end that they weren't going to take the plane, they were taking the sub... as if that would be easier for them to pilot than the plane.

The only thing I can think of is that maybe Sawyer had some sub training during those 3 years with Dharma, but that is a stretch. I did think there was some mention of how it's not a simple task to hop in a sub and go (during the 3rd season, I believe) so I don't think the writers are just assuming it's like a car.

[Willmore]

I'm starting to get bored by Lost. The last 8 episodes better be good.

[instrument]

I just figured out thy i hated the episode...the whole buddy cop angle is just goofy.

Remember the faith healer saying there are pockets of energy in different places? I hope they all end up on some other "island" together.

[K.C.]

Jeff Jensen tried to make the case today in his recap that the Smoke Monster is Daniel Faraday...it's an interesting read, but I don't really buy it.

[dereckfishboy]

Jeff Jensen tried to make the case today in his recap that the Smoke Monster is Daniel Faraday...it's an interesting read, but I don't really buy it.

Yeah, that doesn't even remotely make sense. The Man in Black was on the island when the Black Rock arrived, WAY before any one but Jacob and Richard. As far as I'm concerned, anyone speculating that the smoke monster is anyone other than its own character is just being silly. Not sure why people are trying to "figure out" who he is, as if anyone who didn't have their backstory explained in a flashback is really someones dad or son or some dumb shit like that. I haven't seen anything yet that says smokey is anything but smokey.

[disneyspy]

Yeah, that doesn't even remotely make sense. The Man in Black was on the island when the Black Rock arrived, WAY before any one but Jacob and Richard. As far as I'm concerned, anyone speculating that the smoke monster is anyone other than its own character is just being silly. Not sure why people are trying to "figure out" who he is, as if anyone who didn't have their backstory explained in a flashback is really someones dad or son or some dumb shit like that. I haven't seen anything yet that says smokey is anything but smokey.

in season 1 when locke described a smoke monster as "light" i think it was jacob,so 2 smonsters

[K.C.]

Yeah, that doesn't even remotely make sense. The Man in Black was on the island when the Black Rock arrived, WAY before any one but Jacob and Richard. As far as I'm concerned, anyone speculating that the smoke monster is anyone other than its own character is just being silly. Not sure why people are trying to "figure out" who he is, as if anyone who didn't have their backstory explained in a flashback is really someones dad or son or some dumb shit like that. I haven't seen anything yet that says smokey is anything but smokey.

A lot of that bullshit is because of the time flash season. Everyone now thinks that because we've seen people move through time that anyone can be anyone. I've read at least 8,000 times in the past two years all of the following:

-Aaron is Jacob
-Aaron is the Smoke Monster
-Walt is the Smoke Monster
-Jack is Jacob
-Jack and Kate are the Adam and Eve skeletons
-Kate and Sawyer are the Adam and Eve skeletons
-Rose and Bernard are the Adam and Eve skeletons (this is actually somewhat plausible, but I still doubt it, because I'm pretty convinced they're related to the whole Jacob/MIB/Richard Black Rock timeframe, but that's just my guess)

Another thing Jeff put forth in his review today was that the scene during the time flashes where Locke, Sawyer, and Juliet are paddling to the other side of the island, and are fired on by a boat is actually going to be Sawyer, Kate, Jin, Sun and whomever else Sawyer is trying to get off the island later this season, and that past Sawyer (who fired a couple shots at the boat back in Season 5) will kill one of them.

They pretty much strongly hinted that it was Ilana's group when they were taking the Locke corpse to the main island that did that.

It's just reaching a level ridiculousness with some of the attempts to tie things together.

[K.C.]

in season 1 when locke described a smoke monster as "light" i think it was jacob,so 2 smonsters

I think that's better explained by the candidate thing.

It's pretty apparent that the Smoke Monster can't kill the candidates. It did that scan thing on Locke and flashed light because he 'passed' because he was a candidate.

It did the same for Juliet in Season 3....she was one of the crossed off names (because she's dead) but a former candidate.

It didn't for Eko and he was killed...nowhere has he shown up on any list as being a candidate.

[disneyspy]

I think that's better explained by the candidate thing.

It's pretty apparent that the Smoke Monster can't kill the candidates. It did that scan thing on Locke and flashed light because he 'passed' because he was a candidate.

It did the same for Juliet in Season 3....she was one of the crossed off names (because she's dead) but a former candidate.

It didn't for Eko and he was killed...nowhere has he shown up on any list as being a candidate.

could be but my therory is more fun

[dereckfishboy]

I think that's better explained by the candidate thing.

It's pretty apparent that the Smoke Monster can't kill the candidates. It did that scan thing on Locke and flashed light because he 'passed' because he was a candidate.

It did the same for Juliet in Season 3....she was one of the crossed off names (because she's dead) but a former candidate.

It didn't for Eko and he was killed...nowhere has he shown up on any list as being a candidate.

That actually makes a lot of sense, but I doubt we'd ever get confirmation of it anyways

[extracheese]

ive never been smart enough to follow all the many plot points of this show or conceptualize the time shifting in all its forms ( and ive been watching since day 1)...but it occurs to me that there are only 8 episodes left. They have TOO MANY myseteries to solve, too many questions to answer.

They wont get to them all, they probly wont solve many of them.
I was looking for a list on line of all the open questions. Didnt find one.

ie 1) why can miles hear the dead, who was the russian guy with the patch, lapidus, desmond, farraday, ..it goes on and on...

But as we get closer to the end, i feel the pressure of a satisfying ending building, and i worry that they will pull a Seinfeld or Sopranos ending (endings that sucked and pissed off the fans).

Have there been alot of shows that have had long popular runs and had GREAT finales??

[razorboy]

Have there been alot of shows that have had long popular runs and had GREAT finales??

Newhart.

[Ocho Cinco]

so from all these last posts i guess everyone hated the episode and where this show is going. or almost everyone...

i loved the episode. from bringing back charlotte and liam back in the flash sideways to claire trying to kill kate. and sawyer and widmore finally meeting, plus the whole crazy mother angle for MIB. i totally would have thought widmore and MIB were working together but if widmore is setting up pylon's i guess it would appear they are enemies. which i guess means there are 3 sides, widmore jacob and MIB? unless widmore and jacob are working together which kinda doesn't make sense...

i feel like each episode is getting better and better this season, and i couldn't be more on board with where they are taking this. for all of you who are hating it did you love every other season and just hate this one? that seems nuts to me but either most of you are like that or were never that into the show and just feel the need to bash it to make you feel better. i mean one guy thought this was a buddy cop episode, really? that's what you got out of it? and another is "starting" to get bored by lost... so you were fine through 5 seasons and now are bored? i don't get it, i really don't

next week's episode looks even better, we were waiting forever for this and it is finally here next week. those of us who like the show i mean

[Fallon]

Charlotte makes me happy in my pants!

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[Furtherman]

so from all these last posts i guess everyone hated the episode and where this show is going. or almost everyone...

Nah. More of us appreciate it and are loving this season.

[Dell]

I am absolutely still into the show...I think a lot of people are fearful of a dud ending ruining all of the fun memories of following the show...

this happened to me watching Twin Peaks (yes, I'm old)...the "great" detective was just told who the murderer was by a giant and a midget during a dream...DUD...

[Fallon]

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[Furtherman]

Tall James beat you to it a page back, Fallon.

[PD]

I am absolutely still into the show...I think a lot of people are fearful of a dud ending ruining all of the fun memories of following the show...

this happened to me watching Twin Peaks (yes, I'm old)...the "great" detective was just told who the murderer was by a giant and a midget during a dream...DUD...

I'm old enough to remember Twin Peaks, although i don't remember much of the second (bad) season.
the biggest difference though is Twin Peaks was canceled; Lost chose when to end, so they can end however they want- and hopefully take advantage.

[disneyspy]

I'm old enough to remember Twin Peaks, although i don't remember much of the second (bad) season.
the biggest difference though is Twin Peaks was canceled; Lost chose when to end, so they can end however they want- and hopefully take advantage.

didnt you babysit richard alpert when he was a kid?

[PD]

didnt you babysit richard alpert when he was a kid?

I'm the one who suggested eyeliner.

[paulisded]

I like this (http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2010/mar/19/lost-season-six-episode-eight) explanation of the flash-sideways, based on Sawyer being a cop:


Does Sawyer's LAPD career mean that the alternative timeline is not just about what life would be like if the plane hadn't crashed and the passengers have/not achieved redemption? Is it, in fact, how their lives would have turned out if they had never met Jacob? Instead of adopting the name of the man who destroyed his family and grifting his way around (trying to track down the con man), Sawyer is still James Ford and trying to trace his nemesis utilising the skills of a policeman.

In a neat exposition of how thin the line is between good and bad, making the right or wrong choices, Sawyer/Ford tells his dinner date (Charlotte!): "I got to the point in my life when I knew I was going to be a criminal or a cop. So I chose cop." (Although only after employing a classic Sawyer avoidance tactic: "Have you ever seen Bullitt?")

[King Imp]

I like this (http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2010/mar/19/lost-season-six-episode-eight) explanation of the flash-sideways, based on Sawyer being a cop:

That was my theory as well some pages back.
I know most believe that the flash sideways are because the plane didn't crash, but it's obvious that based on last night's revelation (Jack having a son) that things changed well before that. My thought is that it's because Jacob didn't exist, thus he never visited any of these people and "changed" their lives.

Is that the belief or am I once again way off base here? I'm thinking I must be missing something as this theory wouldn't explain Hurley. Unless I am remembering it wrong, Jacob didn't visit Hurley until he told him he had to come back to the island. If so, that wouldn't explain why Hurley is now "lucky".


While it seems like the most logical explanation, I still don't see how it would fit since Jacob visited Hurley after he won the lottery. Of course we may find out that he in fact visited him as a kid before that. This is why it also seems like Jacob may be the bad one here and not MIB. Look how the lives ended up after being visited by Jacob versus if they may not have been. I'd say their lives are better off without the visit.

[Willmore]

According to a spoiler web-site:

Eight of the following 14 characters will die on the Island: Ben. Claire, Desmond, Frank, Hurley, Ilana, Jin, Miles, Richard, Sawyer, Sayid, Sun, Widmore, Zoe.

[underdog]

I watched the pilot on Feb 18th and finished catching up last night. I'm going to spend the day just reading about Lost, waiting for a new episode.

[Furtherman]

I watched the pilot on Feb 18th and finished catching up last night. I'm going to spend the day just reading about Lost, waiting for a new episode.

That's some good watching! Probably averaged 3 or 4 a weeknight? 10 a weekend?

[underdog]

That's some good watching! Probably averaged 3 or 4 a weeknight? 10 a weekend?

From 3pm on a Saturday until 11pm on the Monday that followed, I watched 27 episodes.

It's virtually all I've done for the last month. It's also all I've dreamed about.

[mikeyboy]

From 3pm on a Saturday until 11pm on the Monday that followed, I watched 27 episodes.

It's virtually all I've done for the last month. It's also all I've dreamed about.

I spent six weeks getting caught up with the show in time for the Season 5 finale. You put me to shame.

[paulisded]

I spent six weeks getting caught up with the show in time for the Season 5 finale. You put me to shame.

Yeah, it took me 5 months to do the same thing.

[underdog]

I spent six weeks getting caught up with the show in time for the Season 5 finale. You put me to shame.

Netflix Watch Instantly is the greatest thing ever.

[underdog]

I just spent the last three hours reading this thread and lostpedia.

This thread was hilarious to read, knowing everything now.

And something that keeps bothering me, if they blew up the island with the bomb, then the plane never would have landed there and there would never be people to go back and destroy the island. Therefore, the island has to still exist.

[Furtherman]

And something that keeps bothering me, if they blew up the island with the bomb, then the plane never would have landed there and there would never be people to go back and destroy the island. Therefore, the island has to still exist.

Are you talking about the island existing in the flash-sideways? It does exist, it's just underwater.

[underdog]

Are you talking about the island existing in the flash-sideways? It does exist, it's just underwater.

No, I mean that the flash-sideways cannot exist, unless there are really two timelines. They always crashed on the island and are still there.

[Aggie]

I just spent the last three hours reading this thread and lostpedia.

This thread was hilarious to read, knowing everything now.

And something that keeps bothering me, if they blew up the island with the bomb, then the plane never would have landed there and there would never be people to go back and destroy the island. Therefore, the island has to still exist.

welcome to the lost addiction club.

[Furtherman]

No, I mean that the flash-sideways cannot exist, unless there are really two timelines. They always crashed on the island and are still there.

I think I see what you mean - there are two timelines presently playing out. The question is whether they were merge at some point. Although with only - 8 - 9? - shows left, I don't think that will be the case.

[K.C.]

I just spent the last three hours reading this thread and lostpedia.

This thread was hilarious to read, knowing everything now.

And something that keeps bothering me, if they blew up the island with the bomb, then the plane never would have landed there and there would never be people to go back and destroy the island. Therefore, the island has to still exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox

Faraday actually explains it with string theory, but it's essentially the same result.

It's impossible to change your past because it can ruin the future in which you were in position to change your past.

Of course, the out for that in every time-travel related show has always been alternate timelines...in this case, it would APPEAR the jughead incident spawned the new timeline.

BUT....we're likely not thinking about it right....because until we understand what the island is and how it relates to time, there's no way to determine if the alternate timeline is an "alternate timeline"

I've long believed that the island is a "holding cell timeline"...a transitional purgatory that exists outside of time, where inhabitants are free to manipulate time to create a rewrite of time (the holding cell being necessary because of string theory...because it's impossible to change time within one static timeline).

That would mean that the events on the island will ultimately rewrite one static timeline.

[Doctor Manhattan]

BUT....we're likely not thinking about it right....because until we understand what the island is and how it relates to time, there's no way to determine if the alternate timeline is an "alternate timeline"

The show runners (Damon and Carlton, in their podcast) have said that the Flash-sideways is not an alternate timeline. I think we just have to wait and see how the hell they plan to have these two story lines merge. Hopefully that will make everything this season make sense because right now a lot of people think this season stinks. I think it's just that people think the Sideways don't seem to matter and if it did they would like this season.

[Furtherman]

Hopefully that will make everything this season make sense because right now a lot of people think this season stinks.

With the exception of a few people in this thread, I've read nothing but good reviews for this season. I don't know who these "a lot" of people could be.


DVR alert!!!

Lost will run 6 minutes longer tonight. Plan accordingly. You're welcome.

[Aggie]

With the exception of a few people in this thread, I've read nothing but good reviews for this season. I don't know who these "a lot" of people could be.


DVR alert!!!

Lost will run 6 minutes longer tonight. Plan accordingly. You're welcome.

last night i thought, "i need to warn people it will run 6 minutes long"...thanks!

[mikeyboy]

I'm kind of on the fence on this season. I'll reserve judgment until I see how everything plays out.

[Doctor Manhattan]

With the exception of a few people in this thread, I've read nothing but good reviews for this season. I don't know who these "a lot" of people could be.

Must be "Flash Sideways" people talking about the show. I have been happy with this season except for the Kate and Jack episodes.

[mikeyboy]

Really kind of a non-spoiler...


...I'm looking forward to the Richard Alpert-centric episode tonight. It should answer some outstanding questions.

[Furtherman]

Yea, everyone knows.... I'm psyched!

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[Doctor Manhattan]

Really kind of a non-spoiler...


...I'm looking forward to the Richard Alpert-centric episode tonight. It should answer some outstanding questions.

I am very excited, this is (or at least should be) the first true Richard Centric episode, last year's Follow the Leader was considered Richard Centric but it did not really reveal anything about him that we didn't know. We already knew that he did not seem to age. I guess that we found out a little more about the compass that he presented to 5 year old John Locke (Smoke Locke gave it to Richard in 2007 to give to real Locke who was about to flash to 1954 to give it back to Richard who would give it to Locke and so on) and we see a bit more of his role as the advisor to the Leader of the others (Eloise Hawkins in 1977)

[Servo]

Smoke Locke gave it to Richard in 2007

I had this same discussion with a friend, but I'm pretty sure it was real Locke that did that.

[Aggie]

Netflix Watch Instantly is the greatest thing ever.

what device to you use? do you just watch on your laptop or stream it on your tv? we are probably going to get this finally but we don't have an xbox or ps3 but will probably get a ps3 so we can have blu ray and netflix.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I had this same discussion with a friend, but I'm pretty sure it was real Locke that did that.

No, real Locke was dead at that point.

In 2007 Locke's body crash landed on Ajira 316 and was in Cargo while The Man in Black took Locke's place as Leader of The Others.

Smoke Locke, Richard and Ben took a walk to the Beechcraft at night. Smoke Locke tells Richard that he must treat a man's wound at the Beechcraft, and then tell him to bring everyone back to the Island, and to do this he has to die. (The man was Real Locke before he stopped the Island from Flashing,) and to also to give Real Locke the compass to give back to Richard (in 1954) as proof since Richard will not know him at that point.

This is Season 5's Follow the Leader at which point we did not know it was Smoke Locke, but we did know Locke died, so most thought something was up with Locke. In that scene we have 4 different people, Ben, Richard, Locke and Smoke Locke, but at the time it seemed like a possible 3 (with 2 John Lockes)

what device to you use? do you just watch on your laptop or stream it on your tv? we are probably going to get this finally but we don't have an xbox or ps3 but will probably get a ps3 so we can have blu ray and netflix.

Netflix Lost looks great on an HDTV with PS3. Sure it's not 1080p like the Blu-Ray, it's only 720p, but that is what we get when it airs on ABC.

[Servo]

No, real Locke was dead at that point.

In 2007 Locke's body crash landed on Ajira 316 and was in Cargo while The Man in Black took Locke's place as Leader of The Others.

Smoke Locke, Richard and Ben took a walk to the Beechcraft at night. Smoke Locke tells Richard that he must treat a man's wound at the Beechcraft, and then tell him to bring everyone back to the Island, and to do this he has to die. (The man was Real Locke before he stopped the Island from Flashing,) and to also to give Real Locke the compass to give back to Richard (in 1954) as proof since Richard will not know him at that point.

This is Season 5's Follow the Leader at which point we did not know it was Smoke Locke, but we did know Locke died, so most thought something was up with Locke. In that scene we have 4 different people, Ben, Richard, Locke and Smoke Locke, but at the time it seemed like a possible 3 (with 2 John Lockes)


You're right, it's that last point that confused me. I was actually just reading it on the episode guide.

[K.C.]

The show runners (Damon and Carlton, in their podcast) have said that the Flash-sideways is not an alternate timeline. I think we just have to wait and see how the hell they plan to have these two story lines merge. Hopefully that will make everything this season make sense because right now a lot of people think this season stinks. I think it's just that people think the Sideways don't seem to matter and if it did they would like this season.

Which lends some believability that the island is the "holding cell" thing that I brought up, and that these two timelines are pieces of a whole.

[underdog]

what device to you use? do you just watch on your laptop or stream it on your tv? we are probably going to get this finally but we don't have an xbox or ps3 but will probably get a ps3 so we can have blu ray and netflix.

I have a tivo, so I'm able to watch it through that.

I also have the disk for the PS3, but you need to put the disk in to use it, which is kind of annoying.

I watched a lot of episodes at work over the computer, too. It's fantastic. If I leave off at one point watching online, it will pick up from there on the tv.

[paulisded]

One problem with waiting a week between episodes - I had forgotten that Cop Sawyer had helped Kate escape in the first episode of the season.

[Hottub]

I have this thread on the highest possible Mojo Alert.

[HBox]

After watching last week's episode again I've come to the conclusion that the chick in glasses is an atrocious actor.

[disneyspy]

After watching last week's episode again I've come to the conclusion that the chick in glasses is an atrocious actor.

i hope she gets smoke monstered soon

[hammersavage]

Best episode of the season 10 minutes in

[HBox]

Man they had some crack policeman back in the 1600s. They were thirty seconds behind him.

[disneyspy]

that priest is a dick

[Dan 'Hampton]

Fez won't like the first 15 min.

[paulisded]

Earliest known smoke monster sighting?

[K.C.]

Earliest known smoke monster sighting?

I guess technically it would be the Jacob/MIB beach scene from the Season 5 finale.

[paulisded]

I guess technically it would be the Jacob/MIB beach scene from the Season 5 finale.

Ah yes, I forgot about that.

So was the reappearance of Richard's wife (and subsequent "re-death") a ruse by Jacob to enlist Richard?

Edit: Never mind.

[disneyspy]

i'm lost

but the guy that plays richard is a much better actor than i thought he was,this has been an excellent episode

[HBox]

That Jacob...... is not what I am used to.

[PD]

i'm lost

but the guy that plays richard is a much better actor than i thought he was,this has been an excellent episode
now is Jacob putting Richard in the water a baptism?

[IamFogHat]

I won't read any posts for fear of spoilers thanks to that fuck head spammer, but I will say, I am totally fucking mind fuck confused at this point. What the fuck is going on?

[disneyspy]

I won't read any posts for fear of spoilers thanks to that fuck head spammer, but I will say, I am totally fucking mind fuck confused at this point. What the fuck is going on?

there was a spammer?

i call him underdog

[PD]

"That I can do":blink:

[disneyspy]

now is Jacob putting Richard in the water a baptism?

why you asking me?

i'm barely catholic

[Dan 'Hampton]

One of the best "standalone" episodes by far. Really good acting throughout for once.

[opie's twisted balls]

I am totally fucking mind fuck confused at this point. What the fuck is going on?
I've called a time out for watching this season as they come out since I don't know what the hell is up, who's dead/alive, what time any particular storyline is in, etc. Have gone back to Season 4 and started watching from there.

[disneyspy]

One of the best "standalone" episodes by far. Really good acting throughout for once.

i agree,easily one of the top 10 episodes,richard in the boat was pretty fucking believable

[hammersavage]

I thought that was the best episode, maybe since the first flash forward. Made this season worth it.

[K.C.]

now is Jacob putting Richard in the water a baptism?

In a sense...the dunking in the river (or in this case ocean), is an old school baptism ritual.

That episode ruled.

[disneyspy]

In a sense...the dunking in the river (or in this case ocean), is an old school baptism ritual.

That episode ruled.

i dont see it as a baptism where the sins are removed because jacob said he couldnt absolve richard of his sins but he could give him life ever during (as opposed to life ever after)

[booster11373]

I think there is a big swerve coming up. In the sideways universe where everyone seems to be happier must be the world where the MIB got off the island and it will turn out that the NAZI's won world war 2 or something

[johnniehardrock]

UNFUCKING BELIVEABLE

The best episode in a long time. Very biblical

[PD]

I think there is a big swerve coming up. In the sideways universe where everyone seems to be happier must be the world where the MIB got off the island and it will turn out that the NAZI's won world war 2 or something
not everyone was happier per se; Sayid still kills people.

They've also said that sideways isn't an "alternate" reality- that the 2 realities are related somehow.

[K.C.]

That Jacob...... is not what I am used to.

Sure it is

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[dino_electropolis]

UNFUCKING BELIVEABLE

The best episode in a long time. Very biblical

Totally agree.


Best episode in the entire series, which says alot.

[K.C.]

I think there is a big swerve coming up. In the sideways universe where everyone seems to be happier must be the world where the MIB got off the island and it will turn out that the NAZI's won world war 2 or something

Why would you assume the alternate universe is where MIB got of the island?

It just as easily be a postscript to what's happening on-island and that MIB no longer exists, hence no need for the island.

[PD]

I wonder if we will ever find out why Hurley can see/speak with dead (and Miles as well)

[K.C.]

Totally agree.


Best episode in the entire series, which says alot.

I wouldn't go that far, but I'd say Top 5.

[dino_electropolis]

I wouldn't go that far, but I'd say Top 5.

I dunno....even the best episodes didnt have me as engaged and inspired as this one.


I'll miss this show when its gone

[disneyspy]

I wonder if we will ever find out why Hurley can see/speak with dead (and Miles as well)

maybe because jacob touched them like he touched richard

[K.C.]

The biggest underlying thing I took out of this episode was MIB's charge that Jacob stole his body.

My theory that the Adam & Eve skeletons were Black Rock people was also blown out of the water.

I'm now starting to think one of the bodies is in fact MIBs, pre-Smokey abilities.

[extracheese]

is there an episode next week? i didnt notice any coming attractions.

Why do you suppose the MIB chose Ricardo to attempt this murder for him? There were a bunch of other prisoners and officers who could have done his bidding? Fact is - it makes no sense in killing all those passengers on the Black Rock. Why not get ALL OF THEM to attempt to kill Jacob. Ricardo failed. So send the next guy.

It seems the MIB can conjure up images of dead people for the living to see (Isabella, Christian for example). And he does so to get people to believe him. There is no longer any doubt who is the evil one here and who is the good one.

[K.C.]

is there an episode next week? i didnt notice any coming attractions.

Why do you suppose the MIB chose Ricardo to attempt this murder for him? There were a bunch of other prisoners and officers who could have done his bidding? Fact is - it makes no sense in killing all those passengers on the Black Rock. Why not get ALL OF THEM to attempt to kill Jacob. Ricardo failed. So send the next guy.

It seems the MIB can conjure up images of dead people for the living to see (Isabella, Christian for example). And he does so to get people to believe him. There is no longer any doubt who is the evil one here and who is the good one.

It's an interesting question with a few potential answers.

It knew it could exploit Richard because it scanned him and saw he was
a) a murderer
b) grieved by the loss of his wife
(ironically the exact same set of circumstances that led to it exploiting Sayid).

Trying to orchestrate a plan amongst five or six people is a lot harder than one (as is being shown with some of the resistance MIB is experiencing with his group now).

But it's also possible he never actually expected Richard to kill Jacob...he was just setting up future events, implanting the idea in Richard's head for down the road.

I think the more interesting question is that Jacob beat the fuck out of Richard when Richard tried to kill him....why didn't he resist Ben at all? Why is he so willing to sacrifice himself now? (obviously it relates to the candidates, but what does Jacob know about what is playing out on the island that made him so sure).

[dino_electropolis]

i dont see it as a baptism where the sins are removed because jacob said he couldnt absolve richard of his sins but he could give him life ever during (as opposed to life ever after)

which is what throws me off on the god/devil question between jacob and the man in black....b/c when jacob said he couldnt absolve sin, or resurrect the dead, but could give ever lasting life (a la vampires, zombies, demons, etc) i thought it was a dead give away that jacob was the devil.....b/c god could do the former, whereas the devil cannot.

dunno....but it has turned the annoyance of confusion i used to feel into the excitement of suspense.

[Doctor Manhattan]

"That I can do":blink:

Seems like being touched by Jacob doesn't necessarily make you ageless, but telling him you don't want to ever die might!

Interesting that there was no one else on the island left alive (outside of Jacob and MIB) before the Black Rock Richard, I guess once he started working for Jacob then people were about to remain alive on the island and form "The Others" that we see

[extracheese]

Do you think there is any significance to the Captain of the Black Rock being named "Hanso"? I mean he died with everyone else on board. So not sure why they named the captian that.

[underdog]

there was a spammer?

i call him underdog

Hello.

Man, I picked a GREAT time to get caught up on Lost. That was a fantastic episode. I can't wait for a MIB / Jacob episode.

[TheGameHHH]

that was seriously an amazing episode, i was a little disappointed by the season so far but this totally turned me right around. i cant wait for the final 7 episodes.

[Furtherman]

Awesome episode! So good. I liked how we found out the statue was destroyed...but, in the first episode of season 5, we saw MIB and Jacob looking at a ship, which I thought was the Black Rock, in calm weather. This episode it came aground in a storm. Unless they see things more clearly, or it was another ship, the other people Jacob said has come to the island throughout time. Either way, this episode gave me chills.. One of the best!

[mikeyboy]

Best episode of the season by far.

Incidentally, in this episode, the MIB gets explicity called "The Man in Black". Is that the first time he's been referred to as such on the show? Prior to that, I just thought it was a shorthand term that the fans/writers etc. had used to refer to him.

[PD]

Do you think there is any significance to the Captain of the Black Rock being named "Hanso"? I mean he died with everyone else on board. So not sure why they named the captian that.
It was intentional, because earlier Widmore bids on the logs from the Black Rock at an auction and it was mentioned then that Captain Hanso.

It could be an Easter Egg, or it could be more.

By the way, I love reading the Doc Jensen stuff. ( what do Richard and the Joker have in common (http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/03/23/lost-doc-jensen-richard-alpert-ab-aeterno/?ew_packageID=20313460))
I didnt yet read the recap, but the preview, discussing Kierkegaard and Timothy Leary's friend Richard Alpert -who wrote a book on divine spirit in us all - which is part of Hindi who believe in Namaste....
there are a LOT of interesting things embedded in this show.

[PD]

but the Black Rock answered a lot of the basic questions.

(wrong thread- it was answering Ron)

[CurseoftheBambi]

was a great episode... and i love calling things back from previous episodes and seeing parallels my frieds havent caught yet (the temptation of Richard was exactly what Esau (what i'm calling him) did to Sayid) And i'm glad i stuck by believing jacob when a lot were beliving smokey was the good one (how could they see that with all the shit he did as smokey for one). And they were calling me dumb for seeing it..then when the show proved it...told me to 'oh calm down its only a show". lol.

best episode of the season. ranks up there with "OH SHIT SAWYER's A COP???!!???!:wacko:"

[Willmore]

Ok, so Jacob is not Jesus. Him going all Bruce Lee on Richard was awesome. He could still be God, but I don't know if that matches up, since he's way too buddy-buddy with the MIB.

[CurseoftheBambi]

dont think of it as buddy more as keep your enemies close sort of thing.

[EliSnow]

Sorry if this has been addresses, but am I right that Dogan said the Man in Black can only appear as those who have died?

It occurred to me that this trait was similar to the First Evil on Buffy.

[CurseoftheBambi]

Yeah Dogan said that...which is why i was wondering why people still thought it was really Richard's wife on the ship when the monster was roaring around at the same time when he did the same trick on Ben in the temple area when he was up on top as Locke and inside the temple as blacksmoke/ Alex.

by the way regarding the first evil...they should have had her "real" form be Christine Swanson...that would have been epic nerdgasm.

[underdog]

was a great episode... and i love calling things back from previous episodes and seeing parallels my frieds havent caught yet (the temptation of Richard was exactly what Esau (what i'm calling him) did to Sayid) And i'm glad i stuck by believing jacob when a lot were beliving smokey was the good one (how could they see that with all the shit he did as smokey for one). And they were calling me dumb for seeing it..then when the show proved it...told me to 'oh calm down its only a show". lol.

best episode of the season. ranks up there with "OH SHIT SAWYER's A COP???!!???!:wacko:"

They're still portraying Jacob as a bad guy. It's still a possibility.

[underdog]

Yeah Dogan said that...which is why i was wondering why people still thought it was really Richard's wife on the ship when the monster was roaring around at the same time when he did the same trick on Ben in the temple area when he was up on top as Locke and inside the temple as blacksmoke/ Alex.

by the way regarding the first evil...they should have had her "real" form be Christine Swanson...that would have been epic nerdgasm.

He never appeared as Locke and the smoke monster / Alex at the same time. It looked like his wife and the smoke monster were on screen together, but it just might have been Richard's wife's voice.

[Willmore]

OK, here's one thought that occurred to me.

MIB is Charon and Jacob/The Island is the river Styx.

Charon was bound to ferry the dead across the river Styx to the underworld. Styx could grant people immortality/invulnerability (see Achilles).

I haven't thought it through, but it seems to fit on the surface.

[EliSnow]

Yeah Dogan said that...which is why i was wondering why people still thought it was really Richard's wife on the ship when the monster was roaring around at the same time when he did the same trick on Ben in the temple area when he was up on top as Locke and inside the temple as blacksmoke/ Alex.

Because they weren't paying attention to the show.


by the way regarding the first evil...they should have had her "real" form be Christine Swanson...that would have been epic nerdgasm.

Not for me. I try to forget about the movie.

[Willmore]

OR, Jacob is the god Hermes, the conductor of souls (he brings the newly-dead souls to the Underworld and Hades), and the island is the river Styx.

[EliSnow]

He never appeared as Locke and the smoke monster / Alex at the same time. It looked like his wife and the smoke monster were on screen together, but it just might have been Richard's wife's voice.

We didn't see the smoke monster and Isabella together. We saw Isabella and heard the monster.

[CountryBob]

Why does the ultimate meaning of this show have to be something from myth or popular lore or stories? We keep on trying to connect it to story after story but couldnt it just be something new that the writers created?

[CurseoftheBambi]

cause that would take the fun out of speculationing. i like trying to be Encyopedia Brown and figuring stuff out.

[TheGameHHH]

Why does the ultimate meaning of this show have to be something from myth or popular lore or stories? We keep on trying to connect it to story after story but couldnt it just be something new that the writers created?

i completely agree with this and i dont think it makes me simple minded either to believe it. could the writers have adopted elements from certain stories or myths? sure. but i do believe this is their full intent to compare to ancient writings? no. I think they just wanna tell a good story.

[PD]

kind of what HHH was saying- there seem to be a lot of elements from all sorts of religion/ mythology, but I don't think it will fit exactly.

I love reading the Doc Jensen stuff 'Lost' recap: Uncorked (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20354159,00.html)

I may not always agree, but it's always interesting - and thought provoking.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I was happy to see the Flashback (and the old "Whoosh" sound) come back to the show along with Titus Welliver come back as the Man in Black.

I don't think the Flashback is back for good, but it is the best way to tell a story about something that happened in the past.

[JDE]

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/03/24/lost-damon-carlton-series-finale-title/

new podcast, do not listen if you don't want to know the name of the series finale.

[instrument]

I wonder where the horn comes from when smokies around................

[instrument]

i wonder in the mib is the source of all "ghosts" on the island ie. Jacks father, bens mother, locke seeing horace.

Then there was walt...how he appeared...im guessing walts original role will never be learned.

[EliSnow]

i wonder in the mib is the source of all "ghosts" on the island ie. Jacks father, bens mother, locke seeing horace.

Then there was walt...how he appeared...im guessing walts original role will never be learned.

Yes, I would say he is, even Echo's dreams of his brother in the second season which led Locke to finding the Pearl station and the loss of his faith in entering the numbers.

[paulisded]

i wonder in the mib is the source of all "ghosts" on the island ie. Jacks father, bens mother, locke seeing horace.

Then there was walt...how he appeared...im guessing walts original role will never be learned.

That revelation alone answers so many questions from past seasons.

[TooLowBrow]

I think the more interesting question is that Jacob beat the fuck out of Richard when Richard tried to kill him....why didn't he resist Ben at all? Why is he so willing to sacrifice himself now? (obviously it relates to the candidates, but what does Jacob know about what is playing out on the island that made him so sure).

did the jacob beating up richard scene seem similar to the scene after jacob got killed and locke (as the MIB) comes out and beats up richard? and then he says something about richard 'no longer being in chains'?

i think locke is 'the bad guy' but those two things made it seem like locke could be secretly giving richard a hint that jacob is still around

[disneyspy]

was a great episode... and i love calling things back from previous episodes and seeing parallels my frieds havent caught yet (the temptation of Richard was exactly what Esau (what i'm calling him) did to Sayid) And i'm glad i stuck by believing jacob when a lot were beliving smokey was the good one (how could they see that with all the shit he did as smokey for one). And they were calling me dumb for seeing it..then when the show proved it...told me to 'oh calm down its only a show". lol.

best episode of the season. ranks up there with "OH SHIT SAWYER's A COP???!!???!:wacko:"

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[Willmore]

Why does the ultimate meaning of this show have to be something from myth or popular lore or stories? We keep on trying to connect it to story after story but couldnt it just be something new that the writers created?

They could, but then why do they have a mythological creature for a statue - the god Anubis (Egyptian version of Hermes).

The writers are definitely fucking with the viewers sometimes, and most of it is probably their own invention, but the concepts of whatever it is they are trying to say have probably been around for centuries. If you look at Shakespeare, it's not like he ever wrote any original concepts, it's the way he presented them that made them great. Same here, they are probably regurgitating some idea or myth or hypothesis, but presenting it in this original package. I certainly hope that that is what they are doing, because it would make the payoff worthwhile, and watching the show again, with the answers, an interesting experience.

[K.C.]

You know...this could end with Jack & Co. just saying "fuck you both...we can make our own decisions," killing MIB and renouncing Jacob.

The sun was shining on the sea,
Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
The billows smooth and bright --
And this was odd, because it was
The middle of the night.

The moon was shining sulkily,
Because she thought the sun
Had got no business to be there
After the day was done --
'It's very rude of him.' she said,
'To come and spoil the fun!'

The sea was wet as wet could be,
The sands were dry as dry.
You could not see a cloud, because
No cloud was in the sky:
No birds were flying overhead --
There were no birds to fly.

The Walrus and the Carpenter
Were walking close at hand:
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
'If this were only cleared away,'
They said, 'it would be grand.'

'If seven maids with seven mops
Swept it for half a year,
Do you suppose,' the Walrus said,
'That they could get it clear?'
'l doubt it,' said the Carpenter,
And shed a bitter tear.

'O Oysters, come and walk with us!
The Walrus did beseech.
'A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
Along the briny beach:
We cannot do with more than four,
To give a hand to each.'

The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head --
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.

Out four young Oysters hurried up.
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
Their shoes were clean and neat --
And this was odd, because, you know,
They hadn't any feet.

Four other Oysters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more, and more, and more --
All hopping through the frothy waves,
And scrambling to the shore.

The Walrus and the Carpenter
Walked on a mile or so,
And then they rested on a rock
Conveniently low:
And all the little Oysters stood
And waited in a row.

'The time has come,' the Walrus said,
'To talk of many things:
Of shoes -- and ships -- and sealing wax --
Of cabbages -- and kings --
And why the sea is boiling hot --
And whether pigs have wings.'

'But wait a bit,' the Oysters cried,
'Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat!'
'No hurry!' said the Carpenter.
They thanked him much for that.

'A loaf of bread,' the Walrus said,
'Is what we chiefly need:
Pepper and vinegar besides
Are very good indeed --
Now, if you're ready, Oysters dear,
We can begin to feed.'

'But not on us!' the Oysters cried,
Turning a little blue.
'After such kindness, that would be
A dismal thing to do!'
'The night is fine,' the Walrus said,
'Do you admire the view?'

'It was so kind of you to come!
And you are very nice!'
The Carpenter said nothing but
'Cut us another slice-
I wish you were not quite so deaf-
I've had to ask you twice!'

'It seems a shame,' the Walrus said,
'To play them such a trick.
After we've brought them out so far,
And made them trot so quick!'
The Carpenter said nothing but
'The butter's spread too thick!'

'I weep for you,'the Walrus said:
'I deeply sympathize.'
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.

'O Oysters,' said the Carpenter,
'You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none --
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.

Either the oysters fight back

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Or they don't and they're all devoured.

[HBox]

Something I just thought of. Includes spoilers from this week's episode

We've seen Dogen tell Sayid that he needed to kill MIB Locke before Locke said anything to him. Locke said something first and Sayid stabs him and nothing happens. THen this week MIB tell Alpert to kill Jacob before he says anything to him. There seems to be something to this.

HOWEVER Jacob said plenty to Ben and yet Ben was still able to stab and kill Jacob.

Any theories?

[K.C.]

Something I just thought of. Includes spoilers from this week's episode

We've seen Dogen tell Sayid that he needed to kill MIB Locke before Locke said anything to him. Locke said something first and Sayid stabs him and nothing happens. THen this week MIB tell Alpert to kill Jacob before he says anything to him. There seems to be something to this.

HOWEVER Jacob said plenty to Ben and yet Ben was still able to stab and kill Jacob.

Any theories?

It's important, but it was also just a figure of speech, so I don't think there's any real meaning behind the particular phrase...

But there's a Yin and Yang quality to Jacob and MIB where they both are in opposition to each other, yet understand the other side.

And MIB saying the exact same thing Dogen said was suppose to illustrate the parallels between Richard and Sayid and the whole notion of "there but for the grace of God go I."

Both Richard and Sayid come from the same place...both were murderers although they both have expressed a desire to be forgiven....both lost their wives in untimely and tragic fashions.

Both were promised the exact same thing by MIB....their same weaknesses exploited.

Richard chose the penitent path, Sayid chose the path of damnation...both "had a choice" as Jacob would say (although Sayid would argue the MIB philosophy of his damnation being in his very nature leading to his particular "choice" which was in fact a choice to believe he was fundamentally evil and beyond saving (irony).

It also leads to a sidebar on Sayid as to whether or not his self-image is a production of his environment...namely being exploited and told he was a killer so many times that it became inevitable for him to fulfill the prophecy, or whether it was truly all choice.

In any case, the two characters are kind of dopplegangers now. Everything that happens to Sayid can be viewed in the scope of "this could have been Richard" and vice-versa.

[fezident]

Total nitpick but, Nestor (Richard) almost completely abandons his spanish accent about halfway through his wine/cork conversation with Jacob.

That's just shitty directing and lousy acting.

[mikeyboy]

Here's a review from a guy who disliked the last episode (or at least the signals in the episode as to where the rest of the season is going). (http://www.tedlandau.com/slantedviewpoint/index.php/archives/2010/365) He brings up some interesting points.

[Dan 'Hampton]

This guy needs to look into Suspension of disbelief. My wife and I agree that if we came into the show now we probably wouldn't be that into it but I've been with it from he begining and am not going to drop out now. I'm betting it won't end to my liking but maybe I'll be wrong. If not life moves on. I enjoyed the last show a d this season has been decent.

[disneyspy]

This guy needs to look into Suspension of disbelief. My wife and I agree that if we came into the show now we probably wouldn't be that into it but I've been with it from he begining and am not going to drop out now. I'm betting it won't end to my liking but maybe I'll be wrong. If not life moves on. I enjoyed the last show a d this season has been decent.

i agree,i read the first few paragraphs of his manifesto and started to hope he doesnt fly a plane

[fezident]

I completely agree with that guy's frustration.
Every one of his questions are ones that I continue to ask myself... and then some.
As I've stated earlier, the show NOW has little to do with the show's first 5 seasons.

-Remember all the emphasis they used to put on Walt and his super powers?
-And what of that dude, out the middle of the jungle who was monitoring all the radio traffic?
-Or the overall importance of those two lesbians in the underwater submarine station?
-Remember when Jacob was (seemingly) Christian Sheppard, partially invisible to just about everybody on the island, sitting in a rocking chair in a tiny house out in the middle of nowhere, and he seemed to cause an earthquake when he was being looked at???!
-Or even the simple fact that Sawyer needs (needed) eyeglasses!

Characters are constantly being killed and resurrected. Some major illnesses and injuries are healed while other (lesser) ones remain. etc etc etc.

The show is compelling but it is also reckless and disjointed.

My love/hate affair with LOST continues....

[K.C.]

Here's a review from a guy who disliked the last episode (or at least the signals in the episode as to where the rest of the season is going). (http://www.tedlandau.com/slantedviewpoint/index.php/archives/2010/365) He brings up some interesting points.

90% of what he brings up has a pretty good chance of being answered in the final seven episodes.

Especially since I believe:

The is a Jacob/MIB centric in the last seven eps

The only points of interest that I can see them not answering are the Tunisia exit, and the numbers on the hatch.

I've seen the same two complaints a lot in the last two weeks, though:

1) They're not answering things, and they keep introducing new questions and new characters with only a few episodes left

(My response: they are answering things...there's many things that have been answered already that you need to read between the lines on, and there's seven episodes left...the only new characters they've introduced are Dogen, Lennon, and now that Zoe chick..Dogen and Lennon served their purpose, even though they weren't great additions).

2) They've rendered the DHARMA storyline and most of the early seasons useless

(My Response: Unequivically false. First, they explained DHARMA (they came to the island to exploit the electromagnetic properties to manipulate time and failed).

Second, that whole period in season five, and the fact that the candidates get thrown back there is a) what allowed MIB's plan to kill Jacob to play out, and b) seems to play a role in the existence of the Sideways).

As for the early seasons, they're littered with episodes, and character developments and storylines that directly reflect the story now...it's just not blatantly obvious in a lot of instances (although if you rewatch some episodes, it becomes much more obvious).

[mikeyboy]

90% of what he brings up has a pretty good chance of being answered in the final seven episodes.

Especially since I believe:

The is a Jacob/MIB centric in the last seven eps

The only points of interest that I can see them not answering are the Tunisia exit, and the numbers on the hatch.

I've seen the same two complaints a lot in the last two weeks, though:

1) They're not answering things, and they keep introducing new questions and new characters with only a few episodes left

(My response: they are answering things...there's many things that have been answered already that you need to read between the lines on, and there's seven episodes left...the only new characters they've introduced are Dogen, Lennon, and now that Zoe chick..Dogen and Lennon served their purpose, even though they weren't great additions).

2) They've rendered the DHARMA storyline and most of the early seasons useless

(My Response: Unequivically false. First, they explained DHARMA (they came to the island to exploit the electromagnetic properties to manipulate time and failed).

Second, that whole period in season five, and the fact that the candidates get thrown back there is a) what allowed MIB's plan to kill Jacob to play out, and b) seems to play a role in the existence of the Sideways).

As for the early seasons, they're littered with episodes, and character developments and storylines that directly reflect the story now...it's just not blatantly obvious in a lot of instances (although if you rewatch some episodes, it becomes much more obvious).

The one Dharma question I would like answered still is why they were still making food drops. For what its worth, I think Widmore was behind that.

[disneyspy]

The one Dharma question I would like answered still is why they were still making food drops. For what its worth, I think Widmore was behind that.

maybe faraday's mother answered that question,it's not so much where the island was but when it was when the drops where made,like maybe the drops were made in the 70's but didnt hit the ground til later,remember farady's experiment with the rocket and the time difference? i'm sure they'll explain it that way like theres some kind of time bubble wrapped around the island.

here's my crazy theory for the week-sun cant be the kwan that is a candidate because she didnt diappear off the ajira flight like jack and hugo did so she didnt belong on the island like jin does

[TheGameHHH]

The one Dharma question I would like answered still is why they were still making food drops. For what its worth, I think Widmore was behind that.

i asked that question like 15 pages back and everybody acted like i was so dumb for not knowing why

[disneyspy]

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[fezident]

I dunno man.
When the whole show is over, I will be very curious to see how relevant certain plotlines will be. The skinny black chick that parachuted onto the island that got stabbed in the back with a hatchet. Faraday's mother. The big gay guy with the fake beard who somehow rigged the jungle with torches so as to seem like he was traveling with a larger group so he could capture Kate and Sawyer, put them in bear cages, and feed them animal food.
etc etc.

The EPISODES are interesting... however... the continuity is shit.

[underdog]

The skinny black chick that parachuted onto the island that got stabbed in the back with a hatchet.

She was part of the expedition to destroy the island.

The big gay guy with the fake beard who somehow rigged the jungle with torches so as to seem like he was traveling with a larger group so he could capture Kate and Sawyer, put them in bear cages, and feed them animal food.

I thought there was a group of like 6 or 8?

And the bigger problem you should have is that EVERYWHERE they go, there are perfect torches ready to light there.

[Furtherman]

I completely agree with that guy's frustration.
Every one of his questions are ones that I continue to ask myself... and then some.
As I've stated earlier, the show NOW has little to do with the show's first 5 seasons.

-Remember all the emphasis they used to put on Walt and his super powers?
-And what of that dude, out the middle of the jungle who was monitoring all the radio traffic?
-Or the overall importance of those two lesbians in the underwater submarine station?
-Remember when Jacob was (seemingly) Christian Sheppard, partially invisible to just about everybody on the island, sitting in a rocking chair in a tiny house out in the middle of nowhere, and he seemed to cause an earthquake when he was being looked at???!
-Or even the simple fact that Sawyer needs (needed) eyeglasses!

Characters are constantly being killed and resurrected. Some major illnesses and injuries are healed while other (lesser) ones remain. etc etc etc.

The show is compelling but it is also reckless and disjointed.

My love/hate affair with LOST continues....

You question about Walt is a good one, and may yet be explained. Your others have answers to them. It's a show you appreciate all the more with a second viewing.

[disneyspy]

You question about Walt is a good one, and may yet be explained. Your others have answers to them. It's a show you appreciate all the more with a second viewing.

what kind of maniac can only view the first 5 seasons twice!

[paulisded]

You question about Walt is a good one, and may yet be explained. Your others have answers to them. It's a show you appreciate all the more with a second viewing.

Hasn't it already been announced that Michael will make an appearance at some point? This will probably explain the Walt situation, but they obviously can't use him as he's now an adult.

[instrument]

here's my crazy theory for the week-sun cant be the kwan that is a candidate because she didnt diappear off the ajira flight like jack and hugo did so she didnt belong on the island like jin does

you're joking right? she was pregnant on the first flight...so when she came back without the baby it wasnt right thus she didnt go back in time.


and the guy with the beard didn't have a magical torch system...thats just retarded, we know the others traveled in packs.

and we thought christian was jacob? i dont ever remember thinking christian was jacob, or thinking it was him in the rocking chair....if anything i think the smoke dude may have been trapped in there (thus the smoke ring)

but honestly i'd be shocked if this ending is what they had in mind, and i think they've created answers to questions that weren't the original intention but had to be changed due to circumstances (like not realizing walt would age)

[disneyspy]

you're joking right? she was pregnant on the first flight...so when she came back without the baby it wasnt right thus she didnt go back in time.

she didnt get pregnant til she and jin did it on the island,remember she was nervous that it was that hotel guys baby til juliette did that sonogram and said she concieved on the island

[underdog]

she didnt get pregnant til she and jin did it on the island,remember she was nervous that it was that hotel guys baby til juliette did that sonogram and said she concieved on the island

Yeah, Jin was sterile off the island.

[disneyspy]

Yeah, Jin was sterile off the island.

thanks,getting you to back me up is like washing my car the day before it rains

[instrument]

my bad, she was pregnant when she LEFT the island, she returned without the baby.

[disneyspy]

my bad, she was pregnant when she LEFT the island, she returned without the baby.

thank you but the deal was they had to recreate the circumstances of the first crash,she wasnt pregnant either time,i stand by my earlier crazy theory

[K.C.]

I dunno man.
When the whole show is over, I will be very curious to see how relevant certain plotlines will be. The skinny black chick that parachuted onto the island that got stabbed in the back with a hatchet. Faraday's mother. The big gay guy with the fake beard who somehow rigged the jungle with torches so as to seem like he was traveling with a larger group so he could capture Kate and Sawyer, put them in bear cages, and feed them animal food.
etc etc.

The EPISODES are interesting... however... the continuity is shit.

Not everything is suppose to be relevant, and I think some of the breakdown is that because Lost is a show that invites you to "read into everything," so people put stock in things and characters that weren't necessarily suppose to be more than an aside, or a transitional type thing.

Naomi was a piece that set into motion the plotlines of Season 4....Is Season 4 relevant? Yes. Is Naomi? Not beyond serving that function.

Faraday's mother will likely be tied into whatever explanation is given for Widmore, so I'm not worried about that one. If this isn't answered....yeah, I'd be unsatisfied with that too.

Tom's another transitional character like Naomi....he was relevant in that he was the audience's liaison into the reveal as to who The Others were at the end of Season 2 and Season 3....again, that's relevant in that Ben and The Others are relevant to the plot...is Tom necessarily? Probably not anymore than what we've already seen.

The bear cages were explained....the Hydra was a DHARMA wildlife station. The Polar Bears, and other things were brought to the island by them. As for why Kate and Sawyer were kept there, it was more to isolate Jack so Ben could break him down to perform the surgery.

[instrument]

thank you but the deal was they had to recreate the circumstances of the first crash,she wasnt pregnant either time,i stand by my earlier crazy theory

the deal? no, that was her guess, how could they recreate the crash when claire/aaron/charlie/etc. does that make sense? no, not really, it makes more sense that they had to recreate what happened when the island moved, there was no way they could recreate the initial crash.

all we know eloise has been promised her son back in exchange for getting locke's body back on the island..who knows at this point.

[disneyspy]

the deal? no, that was her guess, how could they recreate the crash when claire/aaron/charlie/etc. does that make sense? no, not really, it makes more sense that they had to recreate what happened when the island moved, there was no way they could recreate the initial crash.

all we know eloise has been promised her son back in exchange for getting locke's body back on the island..who knows at this point.

hey,all i did was throw out a crazy theory why it was jin and not sun

why dont you come back with something to claim the opposite? to this point you've said diddly

[instrument]

hey,all i did was throw out a crazy theory why it was jin and not sun

why dont you come back with something to claim the opposite? to this point you've said diddly

why not? cause its stupid and obvious using your logic...wtf was kate doing there in the past then? she isn't a candidate but she went back in time as well.

diddly? are you 12?

[fezident]

I wasn't implying that the big gay bearded guy had a magic torch-system. I was, however, referencing that he had about 10 torches strategically placed in the jungle that were later revealed to be automated.... that he could turn on and off whenever he wanted. He traveled with a handful of people... and the additional torches made it look like his posse was even larger than it was.
Now.. I'm not fixating on that particular moment but, rather, on that era of the Lost series. At that time, hours and hours and weeks and weeks were spent with that plotline. There were lots of meetings in the jungle... with shotguns (and the usual "you're not gonna shoot me, Jack" dialog)...torches... cages... Others... and so on. These plotlines seem amazingly removed from everything that is going on NOW.


We also spent a shitload of time on pregancy and fertility. I feel like THAT has been abandoned. Along with the old black women's (cured) cancer.... and Ben and Locke's spinal cord injuries... and the underground magic wheel of time travel.... etc etc.

The confusion around this show is an interesting phenomenon.
The people who (claim to) "get it" spend a lot of time reading other websites... reading interviews with it's creators... and theorizing about a lot of things that they learned about in places OTHER than the show itself.

[Furtherman]

I wasn't implying that the big gay bearded guy had a magic torch-system. I was, however, referencing that he had about 10 torches strategically placed in the jungle that were later revealed to be automated.... that he could turn on and off whenever he wanted. He traveled with a handful of people... and the additional torches made it look like his posse was even larger than it was.
Now.. I'm not fixating on that particular moment but, rather, on that era of the Lost series. At that time, hours and hours and weeks and weeks were spent with that plotline. There were lots of meetings in the jungle... with shotguns (and the usual "you're not gonna shoot me, Jack" dialog)...torches... cages... Others... and so on. These plotlines seem amazingly removed from everything that is going on NOW.


We also spent a shitload of time on pregancy and fertility. I feel like THAT has been abandoned. Along with the old black women's (cured) cancer.... and Ben and Locke's spinal cord injuries... and the underground magic wheel of time travel.... etc etc.

The confusion around this show is an interesting phenomenon.
The people who (claim to) "get it" spend a lot of time reading other websites... reading interviews with it's creators... and theorizing about a lot of things that they learned about in places OTHER than the show itself.

Those past plotlines are removed from what is going on now because those plotlines are over. That was about power on the island, control over the survivors of 815 and getting Jack to perform surgery on Ben. Pregnancy and fertility was also covered as The Others problems, with Juliet's story covering that... but once Widmore's freighter crew found the island, that storyline essentially ended, and that was in season 4. It's not like anything that is happening now has just come out of nowhere. It's been building up this way. I "get it" because I watched the series over again, and like I said before, you get a lot more out of it.

Incidentally, everyone gets something different out of it, as I don't recall the automated torches you've spoken of... I only recall Mr. Friendly telling the others to grab their torches and he was traveling with a lot of Others at that time.

[disneyspy]

why not? cause its stupid and obvious using your logic...wtf was kate doing there in the past then? she isn't a candidate but she went back in time as well.

diddly? are you 12?

you dont bring up anything relevant in your posts,theory was on jin or sun is the candidate

and quit trying to hit on me,i'm not HHH

[fezident]

Perhaps you're right.
Perhaps, if I watch the series again in rapid succession, it WILL make more sense to me.

It seems like yeeears ago that this entire series seemed to revolve around fertility and the many doctors that were flown to the island (in some kind of witness protection program) to study it.
It feels like years ago because it WAS years ago.
It was also years ago that were wondering about the mysteries of the hatch and watching snippets of the asian doctor's orientation video.
"Not Penny's boat"
Jack's wife/girlfriend's broken back (and the importance of it).
The mysterious shacks in the woods.

etc etc.

Perhaps these things will feel more relevant to me when I rewatch the seasons over the course of a few weeks rather than a few years.

Having said that.... one can not argue with the fact that show IS confusing. There are entire sites dedicated to speculating on it. There are music videos and montages on youtube dedicated solely to the (seemingly) unanswered and abandoned plotlines.

Go back and read sites and posts from 2002 about this show... what was going on... and what people's theories were. They are laughable now! Those people "got it" back then too, ya know?

I distinctly remember reading an interview with Carlton and Damon (back in 2006) where they stated that "the events on the island take place in our time, in our dimension, and in our plane of reality". (I wish I saved that USA Today article) Obviously... this is no longer the case.


But for right now, I almost feel like all that business with Sayid getting killed, then resurrected, killed again, and waking up seems quite removed -in every way- from the current plotlines. And that was only a few weeks ago!

I am reserving my final judgment until AFTER the final episode.
Clearly... I am a fan... but for right now I feel like the show has a lot of chord progressions that that need to be resolved back to the one. (for lack of a better analogy.)

[disneyspy]

Having said that.... one can not argue with the fact that show IS confusing.

the show being confusing is the best thing about it,i love being lost

[hammersavage]

the show being confusing is the best thing about it,i love being lost



You must love being an old fuck then.

[TheGameHHH]

you dont bring up anything relevant in your posts,theory was on jin or sun is the candidate

and quit trying to hit on me,i'm not HHH

low man, low

[disneyspy]

low man, low

hey the ped was hopin i was a 12 year old boy

[TheGameHHH]

hey the ped was hopin i was a 12 year old boy

ive stated im 14 at least 20 times on this board, im a teenager now damnit!!!!!

[hammersavage]

there goes my boner

[Doctor Manhattan]

I wasn't implying that the big gay bearded guy had a magic torch-system. I was, however, referencing that he had about 10 torches strategically placed in the jungle that were later revealed to be automated.... that he could turn on and off whenever he wanted. He traveled with a handful of people... and the additional torches made it look like his posse was even larger than it was.

Wait, I don't remember that. When did they show automated torches?Total nitpick but, Nestor (Richard) almost completely abandons his spanish accent about halfway through his wine/cork conversation with Jacob.

That's just shitty directing and lousy acting.
I would not say he completely abandons the accent, but it does seem like his English gets a lot better when Jacob is telling him about the others that came before Richard. I think I did not notice until I just re-watched it since Jacob was explaining what the Island is and the show seemed to be telling us that this moment is the birth of "The Others" with Richard being the first one.

[instrument]

I am reserving my final judgment until AFTER the final episode.
Clearly... I am a fan... but for right now I feel like the show has a lot of chord progressions that that need to be resolved back to the one. (for lack of a better analogy.)

Just remember that the series was started with no defined end date, i'm sure in creating stories the true direction or the story did change, and now they're sort of wrapping up loose ends in ways which may not have originally been the plan, but now it fits into the ending they've decided on.

If you watch those lost mini episodes its obvious walt originally was going to be a major player, or even christians role on the island was different.

I'd love to see a smoke related episode that sort of spans the course of the previous seasons showing him appearing to ben/jack/locke etc. to see what his intentions were then.

Or maybe we learn that jacob appeared to people the same way on the island, and he lead jack or locke, etc.

[K.C.]

You must love being an old fuck then.

He's Richard Alpert old, except he shows every year of the age.

[fezident]

Wait, I don't remember that. When did they show automated torches?



Wow.
I really wasn't expecting this torch thing to be of any importance. I was simply using it to reference a time-frame within the series.

Of course... I do not know the episode number/title but... the instance that I was referring to was when Jack and one or two others went out to the jungle to kick a little "Others" ass. They brought their weapons. When they got face to face with The Others in the jungle... I believe that the bearded guy told them to stand down. Jack verbally refused. He might have even made a statement like "WE have the guns, we don't have to stand down, you do." (or something like that). The bearded guy then gave some sort of battle cry. I don't recall what it was. Immediately after he yelled it... a bunch of torches immediately lit up in the jungle... creating a a perimeter around Jack and the others. They thought they were outnumbered...and they submitted.
We then found out that the torches were not manned. They were decoy torches that were ignited to create the illusion that The Others were a larger group.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Wow.
I really wasn't expecting this torch thing to be of any importance. I was simply using it to reference a time-frame within the series.

Of course... I do not know the episode number/title but... the instance that I was referring to was when Jack and one or two others went out to the jungle to kick a little "Others" ass. They brought their weapons. When they got face to face with The Others in the jungle... I believe that the bearded guy told them to stand down. Jack verbally refused. He might have even made a statement like "WE have the guns, we don't have to stand down, you do." (or something like that). The bearded guy then gave some sort of battle cry. I don't recall what it was. Immediately after he yelled it... a bunch of torches immediately lit up in the jungle... creating a a perimeter around Jack and the others. They thought they were outnumbered...and they submitted.
We then found out that the torches were not manned. They were decoy torches that were ignited to create the illusion that The Others were a larger group.

I am not saying the torch thing is important to the whole story. I just don't remember the decoy torch thing.

I do remember that episode. Jack, Sawyer and Real Locke go out looking for Michael (who ran off to get Walt) Tom tells them that this is "Our Island" and they are just letting them live there. Tom also tells them that if they cross the line that things will go from a "misunderstanding" to "something else". He tells the others with him to "Light them up!" he then calls for Alex to bring Kate out (who wanted to join Jack and Sawyer and got captured)

In another episode (I think the same season) they show that same scene from Alex's point of view and we see that Michael was also captured by the others and he sees Kate before Alex brings Kate to Tom. I think we also see that Danny Pickett is with them (The Other that wanted to kill Sawyer as revenge for Sun killing his wife on Desmond's Boat and was killed by Juliet on the beach. Wow I can't believe I remember all that. Sounds like a soap opera when told out of context)

I was really just curious if I missed something but I don't think I would forget automated torches, that would be a big deal at the time. We did not know much about the others at that point, we didn't know that Tom turned out not to be such a bad guy, we did not know about Ben yet, we really didn't know anything.

[Furtherman]

There is no repeat of last week's episode at 8pm tonight. Instead, we have Dancing With The Stars.

:furious:

[Crippler]

There is no repeat of last week's episode at 8pm tonight. Instead, we have Dancing With The Stars.

:furious:

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[K.C.]

Let's play a little game (or at least, I'll play it)

Predict all the kills for the final seven episodes and who's left alive on the island in the end.

I'm going to go:

-Ilana killed by Sayid
-Jin killed by Evil MIB-led Others
-Claire killed by Kate
-Richard killed by MIB
-Ben killed by Sayid
-Widmore (and his entire group) killed by MIB
-Penny killed by Sayid
-Desmond commits suicide
-Sawyer killed by Sayid
-Sayid killed by Jack
-Kate killed by MIB
-MIB killed by Jack

Survivors:
-Jack
-Hurley
-Frank
-Sun
-Miles
-Walt
-Aaron
-Ji-Yeon (Jin & Sun's kid)
-A smattering of The Others that are rescued from MIB.

[Doctor Manhattan]

There is no repeat of last week's episode at 8pm tonight. Instead, we have Dancing With The Stars.

:furious:

http://www.struff.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/homer_yelling.jpg

I agree with the Boo, but I think the enhanced repeats only add reminders for things people may have forgotten (or in the case of this season, explaining the Flash-Sideways every week)

Once in a while it does really clarify something (like when Sawyer, Juliet, Jin and Miles saw the statue of Taweret from behind, the enhanced episode told us that is was the same statue with the four toes, which we had only seen the foot of before then) but usually it just reminds us where we have seen certain people before (like explaining Cindy week after week) I have a feeling an enhanced version of Ab Aeterno would not give us anymore info.

[disneyspy]

this fucking sucks,i rushed home from work(real long day)and theres no enhanced episode? now im watching IDOL and this show sucks

[disneyspy]

recording alert-recording alert- tonights show goes until 10:02

[HBox]

This stupid fucking red V better not be in the bottom corner the whole episode.

[IamFogHat]

Why does Locke want both of them???

[K.C.]

Why does Locke want both of them???

Because he apparently doesn't know which one is the candidate.

Also, I doubt one would leave without the other.

It's pretty obvious Jin is the candidate, though...Sun's maiden name is Paik.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Why does Locke want both of them???

3 way?

[Doctor Manhattan]

This stupid fucking red V better not be in the bottom corner the whole episode.

I hate ABC, the V and the new "ABC Studios" really take you out of the show. Nice going dick holes!

[K.C.]

Desmond.

[TooCute]

I give up

[K.C.]

Good episode.

Obviously, the thing to ponder this week is Widmore telling Jin that they cease to exist if MIB leaves.

I also like the beach camp scenes. The evolution of all those characters is fun to watch.

Since Desmond episodes are usually the best of the season, next week should rock. They're also usually game-changers, so I expect we'll have a better idea of the island/sideways relationship.

[mikeyboy]

Kind of underwhelmed by that episode. I guess it didn't help that it followed last week's Richard explanation ep.

[TheGameHHH]

Aye, Brother! Can't wait for next week

[Furtherman]

I like the continuing mirror aspect, as now Sun will speak Korean and Jin will speak English, but I think we'll also see that if someone dies in the sideways timeline, like Sun might, she'll die on the island, therefore showing their connected continuously. Also, maybe the Kwan on the list is their son?

Psyched to see another Desmond episode!

The week after that should be a Hurley episode.

[mikeyboy]

Who knew Keamey was such a softie?

[paulisded]

@DamonLindelof: In one week, the conversation is going to change.

[PD]

Good episode.

Obviously, the thing to ponder this week is Widmore telling Jin that they cease to exist if MIB leaves.

I also like the beach camp scenes. The evolution of all those characters is fun to watch.

Since Desmond episodes are usually the best of the season, next week should rock. They're also usually game-changers, so I expect we'll have a better idea of the island/sideways relationship.

Agree on all counts. I love the Desmond episodes, so that should rock.

Now I thought Jack wants to follow Richard - but Richard wants to blow up the plane and Jack promises Sun they will use the plane to leave...?

[underdog]

Kind of underwhelmed by that episode. I guess it didn't help that it followed last week's Richard explanation ep.

I agree. Especially the sideways flash part.

This show is much less fun when you're not watching one episode after another.

[mikeyboy]

I agree. Especially the sideways flash part.

This show is much less fun when you're not watching one episode after another.

inorite?

[Aggie]

Agree on all counts. I love the Desmond episodes, so that should rock.

Now I thought Jack wants to follow Richard - but Richard wants to blow up the plane and Jack promises Sun they will use the plane to leave...?

i asked the same thing to my friend on facebook last night...

"Destroying the plane is Richard's idea. Jack never signed on. Perhaps he has other plans, and believes he can manipulate Richard....? or maybe...he's flat out lying to Sun because he understands how important it is that they be together?"

we shall see.

[King Imp]

It's pretty obvious Jin is the candidate, though...Sun's maiden name is Paik.

While that is a good point, it could also be argued that Jacob touched them after they were married, so technically her name was Kwon at the time.

[Servo]

Just wanted to add my 2 cents and say that ABC sticking that V promo graphic the entire fucking show was absolutely atrocious.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Just wanted to add my 2 cents and say that ABC sticking that V promo graphic the entire fucking show was absolutely atrocious.

Does ABC put the LOST logo on other shows? Maybe it's their thing. I don't think I watch ABC when LOST isn't on. They really want us to watch V. I checked it out and the shots on the spaceship looked very bad, the green screen is really cheaply done.

Interesting that Jin and Sun were not married and Sun's father hired someone to kill him for dipping into the ink (That is cold making Jin actually be the one to hand Keamey the money to get himself killed, what a prick!) so I not wonder who the money/watch was for in the original time line and what it was for (unless he was still paying Keamey to kill Jin, despite the fact that Sun was married to him)

[fezident]

Brand new 1-hour interview with Damon and Carlton.
ENJOY.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/lost-creators/id301899522?i=81880918

http://www.apple.com/podcasts/filmmaker/f.xml

[Servo]

Does ABC put the LOST logo on other shows? Maybe it's their thing. I don't think I watch ABC when LOST isn't on. They really want us to watch V. I checked it out and the shots on the spaceship looked very bad, the green screen is really cheaply done.


I don't really watch any of ABC's other shows, but my wife does, and I don't think I've ever noticed an on-screen promo as bad as last night's. Truly obnoxious.

Article about the backlash (http://www.thewrap.com/ind-column/abc-fail-v-countdown-clock-inspires-backlash-15818)

[K.C.]

I don't really watch any of ABC's other shows, but my wife does, and I don't think I've ever noticed an on-screen promo as bad as last night's. Truly obnoxious.

Article about the backlash (http://www.thewrap.com/ind-column/abc-fail-v-countdown-clock-inspires-backlash-15818)

Pretty funny work.

The guy who wrote is right, though....ABC is kind of fucked and they are desperately trying to get some type of heat for V.

They're about to lose Lost, Flashforward sucks, and V is awful.

Three shows that'll be gone after this season.

I'm not sure how Modern Family is...I heard it was decent but haven't watched it yet. Don't know if it pulls any ratings.

[K.C.]

Next week!

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[K.C.]

Wow, I just had a thought.

Watch that clip I posted above from the Desmond Season 3 episode.

Then watch the promo for next week:

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Think about how Eloise tells Desmond if he doesn't do what he's suppose to do, they're all dead.

Widmore tells Jin if they don't stop MIB they're all dead.


Hypothesis: Eternal Return. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return. All of this has happened before and played out time and time again, each time thwarting MIB, because everyone inevitably follows their path.

Jacob and MIB are two parts of a greater whole that are responsible for "course-correcting" to ensure that the cycle of time is never broken, and all paths are maintained.

MIB tires of this and chooses a path of destruction (Omega). He doesn't want to just break the cycle, he wants to end existence and to do that he needs to eliminate Jacob (Alpha), who continually is replenishing this cycle of universal life and sustaining the time loop.

The island, and its properties, keeps time bottled, referred to Jacob as the cork, and is what allows them the ability to police time to make sure that all paths are followed (and any issue are course-corrected), and existence repeats to infinity.

The flash sideways is a reality free of Eternal Return, in which there are no paths, created by breaking the chain (whether or not this is caused by Juliet detonating Jughead, I'm not sure....it would be fitting that the woman brought to the island to solve the fertility problem gives birth to a new existence through her actions).

[K.C.]

i asked the same thing to my friend on facebook last night...

"Destroying the plane is Richard's idea. Jack never signed on. Perhaps he has other plans, and believes he can manipulate Richard....? or maybe...he's flat out lying to Sun because he understands how important it is that they be together?"

we shall see.

I rewatched the episode. Jack says he'll get Sun and Jin off the island, and mentions the plane.

My take on it is that it's a genuine offer to help.

Expounding on that a little, my take on Jack is that he knows that HE is there for a reason and he's determined to find out what that is and see it through to the end.

And while he's not going to leave until he finds out why he's there, he's not necessarily trying to keep everyone there and force them to see it through. If Sun and Jin want to go, he's willing to help at this point.

So as of right now, Jack's just waiting for something to happen and observing. He's not necessarily on board with Richard's blow up the plane idea, but he's willing to see where going to the Hydra takes them (I'm sure he also wants some face-to-face time with MIB, to draw his own conclusions).

Ultimately, it may end up that Jack, like Locke, tries to blow up every way off the island similar to Locke did with the Sub and The Flame, once he realizes that stopping MIB may be part of why he's there, or what the consequences of MIB leaving is.

But right now, he's just along for the ride and helping where he can.



A better question, though, is would MIB be all that disappointed if Richard blew up the plane? He can still have the candidates killed, and now he doesn't have to fulfill his promise to Sawyer, similar to Ben manipulating Locke to blow up the Sub so he didn't have to let Jack and Juliet go.

[Aggie]

some thought provoking posts, kc! :thumbup:

on a total sidenote: i was looking at people magazine yesterday during my pedicure and to my surprise there was an article about michael emerson and his wife.

he's married to arlene from true blood!!! not sure if i'm the last one to know this but i was surprised.

http://www.zap2it.com/media/photo/2009-09/49384905.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

some thought provoking posts, kc! :thumbup:

on a total sidenote: i was looking at people magazine yesterday during my pedicure and to my surprise there was an article about michael emerson and his wife.

he's married to arlene from true blood!!! not sure if i'm the last one to know this but i was surprised.

yes, im fairly certain you are the last person. but welcome aboard anyway

[Aggie]

yes, im fairly certain you are the last person. but welcome aboard anyway

usually i'm up on these things ... if i had watched the awards shows i would probably know this. oh well.

[CountryBob]

I bet he gets her to talk with that Southern drawl in the bedroom - and she provides the "V"!

[mikeyboy]

ThinkGeek's April Fools Joke.

The Dharma Initiative Alarm Clock. (http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/dharma-alarm-clock.shtml?icpg=Carousel_DharmaClock_5&cpg=cj)

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/other/lostclock_main.gif

[hanso]

V

[Willmore]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/photos/stylus/119878-lost_supper.jpg

This is starting to make a lot more sense.


By the way, finale spoiler below:

Juliette is the mother of David - Shepherd's son in the flash-sideways.

[Aggie]

booo i shouldn't have read that. i usually don't care about spoilers but i should have waited for that one.

[disneyspy]

fuckin ispy doesnt hide spoilers

[Aggie]

fuckin ispy doesnt hide spoilers

you've known this forever! stop using it or stop complaining! :smoke:

[disneyspy]

you've known this forever! stop using it or stop complaining! :smoke:

what kind of rube just uses new posts,the messageboard page or just hits refresh? not this kind of rube i assure you

[Doctor Manhattan]

Did anyone find out about the automated/decoy torch thing? It's not a big deal but I just don't like to think I missed something from this show. I was pretty sure I knew everything that has happened up to now.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6135/robotandautomatedweldin.jpg

This was the first result for a google image search of "Automated Torch."

[Adolf]

http://www.sl-lost.com/2r5q0k3.gif

[fezident]

Did anyone find out about the automated/decoy torch thing? It's not a big deal but I just don't like to think I missed something from this show. I was pretty sure I knew everything that has happened up to now.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6135/robotandautomatedweldin.jpg

This was the first result for a google image search of "Automated Torch."

For what it's worth.... I plan on watching the entire series again immediately after the last episode, so... I will definitely make it through all of season two in the near future.
Having said that, I SUSPECT that the scene that I'm referring to is not in the "main" episode that featured the standoff with Jack's gang vs. the bearded guy.
I think it was an episode or two later when they showed that same confrontation but from another character's POV.
I don't know every detail of the show as well some of you guys but... I definitely do remember this torch scene. I remember reacting to the implausibility of it.

[disneyspy]

no ABC studios or V GOOD START

[disneyspy]

For what it's worth.... I plan on watching the entire series again immediately after the last episode, so... I will definitely make it through all of season two in the near future.
Having said that, I SUSPECT that the scene that I'm referring to is not in the "main" episode that featured the standoff with Jack's gang vs. the bearded guy.
I think it was an episode or two later when they showed that same confrontation but from another character's POV.
I don't know every detail of the show as well some of you guys but... I definitely do remember this torch scene. I remember reacting to the implausibility of it.

i think it was the alex episode i season 5,i'm pretty sure there were at least 6 others with tom,alex and the dick head guy when they were holding kate and the torches were lit

[Servo]

That was the best episode of the season so far. Even one of the best of the series, I think.

[K.C.]

Sheer awesomeness.

[JDE]

Well that had answers of what exactly is going on with the sideways universe, although not sure how the end is going to play out, we now know it appears what is going to close the gap so to speak.

Ryan Mcgee of zap2it pretty much nailed what was going on, not seen what Doc Jensen thought was going to happen, but I don't think he called what Mcgee did.


Loved the episode.



Jason

[MIKEYDAKEN]

i called that shit look it up. they are ripping off marvels house of m series

[disneyspy]

you people drive me nuts by not posting during commercial breaks,i felt alone and scared

[walking joint]

by far my favorite episode.

[K.C.]

I guess Desmond's agenda becomes to expose the alternate reality as a lie, in essence exposing MIB's agenda as a lie.

I really got the sense that Sideways was almost like a Matrix type prison after that episode.

[Dan 'Hampton]

It certainly appeared Eloise knew what was going on. I was expecting desmnd to get flashes from his past of her in the jewLry shop.

[Adolf]

to me that looked like an episode to make the desmond/charlie fans happy and that's all it was.. it was a nothing ep if ya ask me. i hate when people say that but that one was nothing....... maybe i should watch it again

[TooLowBrow]

i think earth 2 is a place where they gave up their 'real' lives, possibly souls or whatever, in favor of having their one great dream come true. for some of them at least, maybe others are just stuck there anyway.

but to me thats weird cause thats what jacob gave to richard, kinda

it makes me think that jacob has bee the bad guy at one of the times where weve seen him

but thats kinda stupid cause theres 5 episodes left, i with theyd pick a protagonist

[MagillaGorillaz]

i called that shit look it up. they are ripping off marvels house of m series

there were mutants on the island?

[Furtherman]

That was awesome, more than usual. How about Widmore's office? The painting wasn't a polar bear but a scale. Daniel brings it all together, and those last two minutes were key to the whole story. My guess, all of the 815 survivors will end up at Locke's wedding somehow for the big reveal.

[TheGameHHH]

I guess Desmond's agenda becomes to expose the alternate reality as a lie, in essence exposing MIB's agenda as a lie.

I really got the sense that Sideways was almost like a Matrix type prison after that episode.

thats pretty much exactly how I feel about it all too. I couldnt have said it better.