Lost: The Final Season - Destiny Found

[disneyspy]

i'd be pissed if i lived on the west coast and saw everybody posting about a show that wont come on for anoyjrt hour and a half

[Dell]

so, did the MIB (Locke now), choose Sawyer to replace him so that he can finally leave the island?

[Dell]

i'd be pissed if i lived on the west coast and saw everybody posting about a show that wont come on for two more hours

I'd just be pissed living on the west coast...and I wouldn't read the interwebs until I saw the show...

[Servo]

Just a nitpicky question - did Rose realize she was on a flight home from Australia with her boss??

[dino_electropolis]

Only men can be "candidates"? (Although, if so, why did Jacob visit Kate when she was little?)

Is this how the numbers became significant, or is this just another example of these 6 numbers showing up coincidentally?

The blond kid in the jungle... Aaron, anyone?


very interesting...didn't think about it, but worth further consideration...


I was joking about the woman thing. :king:

But that other point is dead on. Wow.

[Servo]

I was joking about the woman thing. :king:



Actually, it does explain the names that were written in the cave.

[disneyspy]

ya i think it has to be aaron because he was supposed to have a big role on the island,the new jacob?

[Servo]

Ben as a teacher at the same school as Locke was a nice twist.

[disneyspy]

Ben as a teacher at the same school as Locke was a nice twist.

i dont know,i find the whole intertwined thing to be too contrived

[paulisded]

ya i think it has to be aaron because he was supposed to have a big role on the island,the new jacob?

He sure aged fast if that's the case.

[mikeyboy]

So why is flash sideways Locke still paralyzed? It could still be his dad throwing him through a window, but Locke's fiance talked about skipping a big wedding and running off and having a small wedding with her parents and Locke's father. Unless there was some major forgiveness, it probably wasn't his dad who caused it.

[sailor]

Just a nitpicky question - did Rose realize she was on a flight home from Australia with her boss??

wonder if he was paying for her to attend the same conference locke skipped out on.

or, he could have just bought the company so they'd not yet met.

[Aggie]

loved that episode! so many great things....i can't believe this is the last season. argh!

this video is pretty funny, it was made before the season started and apparently these brothers have been doing videoes forever with action figures. i just saw it because doc jensen thought the video was nitpicky and snarky but the brothers wanted a chance to explain:

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/16/countdown-to-lost-fine-bros/#more-52987

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[Furtherman]

although, this picture is a bitmuch.

http://www.daemonstv.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lost-s6-cast-550x366.jpg

Lost isn't the first TV show to use the last supper to symbolize their characters. More recently, Battlestar Galactica did it.

And check it out - Locke between Sawyer and Jack. I think we saw the beginnings of that last night.

In fact, everyone to the left of Locke will probably face off with everyone on the right.

Aaron, anyone?

Nice. Most likely.


Quote mikeyboy:

So why is flash sideways Locke still paralyzed? It could still be his dad throwing him through a window, but Locke's fiance talked about skipping a big wedding and running off and having a small wedding with her parents and Locke's father. Unless there was some major forgiveness, it probably wasn't his dad who caused it.

Maybe a suicide attempt? Locke was a sad sack even before he met his father.

[K.C.]

Definitely think the kid was Aaron (who I think will also be a candidate, and the one to supplant Jacob)

Ben's eulogy for Locke is the best moment of the season so far.

[K.C.]

Some of the names and numbers I was able to make out from the screencaps:

4 - Locke (John)
8 - Reyes (Hugo)
10 - Mattingly
15 - Ford (James)
16 - Jarrah (Sayid)
20 - Troup (Gary)
23 - Shephard (Jack)
42 - Kwon (Jin or Sun)
64 - Goldstein
75 - Costa
115 - Dargas
125 - Pace (Charlie)
140 - Lewis (Charlotte)
171 - Straume (Miles)
222 - O’Toole
233 - Jones
237 - Aguila
291 - Domingo
313 - Littleton (Claire or Aaron)
317 - Cunningham
701 - Faraday (Daniel)

[paulisded]

Some of the names and numbers I was able to make out from the screencaps:


23 - Shephard (Jack)


Could be the old man, too.

[HBox]

10 - Mattingly

Donnie Baseball? NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[mikeyboy]

Some of the names and numbers I was able to make out from the screencaps:

4 - Locke (John)
8 - Reyes (Hugo)
10 - Mattingly
15 - Ford (James)
16 - Jarrah (Sayid)
20 - Troup (Gary)
23 - Shephard (Jack)
42 - Kwon (Jin or Sun)
64 - Goldstein
75 - Costa
115 - Dargas
125 - Pace (Charlie)
140 - Lewis (Charlotte)
171 - Straume (Miles)
222 - O’Toole
233 - Jones
237 - Aguila
291 - Domingo
313 - Littleton (Claire or Aaron)
317 - Cunningham
701 - Faraday (Daniel)
Interesting that not only does Kate not have a number, but she isn't shown at all. My guess is that we're supposed to assume that she isn't very important, but we'll find out that she actually very important.

[K.C.]

Donnie Baseball? NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Like Jacob would pick a non-World Series winning jinx to defend the island.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Mattingly

Interesting that not only does Kate not have a number, but she isn't shown at all. My guess is that we're supposed to assume that she isn't very important, but we'll find out that she actually very important.

Yeah, I'm not quite sure what to make of that.

If I had to be put on the spot, I'm inclined to believe that the show has shoved this "she can't settle down, always on the run" storyline down our throat so hard for a reason, and that it'll play a role in the end of her story arc.

And in that respect, I would go back to Season 1, where she made that comment about how "she didn't want to be Eve" (in reference to the skeletons in the cave, and Jack wanting everyone to move there), as kind of the moment in which she turned into the character she still is now.

I think it all is going to lead to her accepting a destiny as some matriarch, Sarah Connor from Terminator type figure. She took the lead in raising Aaron...she probably still has some type role to play to get him where he needs to be in respect to the island.

And in that sense, I think her role will be pretty big, because I think Aaron's definitely suppose to be one of the cruxes of the wrapping up this show.

[mikeyboy]

More EW coverage coming up.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/S3yNPzYkF7I/AAAAAAAAxyY/WAEtJKzAfR0/s640/2d6nhz.jpg

[HBox]

A couple of thoughts:

1. I think it's interesting that Smoke Locke started screaming "Don't tell me what I can't do!" There's obviously some of Locke still in there. I wonder how much?

2. I also think it's interesting in that Last Supper photo up there that Iliana is not on the side of the table you'd think she'd be on.

[instrument]

I swear this better stop reminding me of dogma soon, i swear if lock shoots off someones wings im bailinngggggg

[Furtherman]

A couple of thoughts:

1. I think it's interesting that Smoke Locke started screaming "Don't tell me what I can't do!" There's obviously some of Locke still in there. I wonder how much?

2. I also think it's interesting in that Last Supper photo up there that Iliana is not on the side of the table you'd think she'd be on.

Good point about Fake Locke... He probably is 'poisoned' with Locke like Sayid is poisoned with Jacob.

[Dell]

Good point about Fake Locke... He probably is 'poisoned' with Locke like Sayid is poisoned with Jacob.

I haven't thought of two different types of infection...you think there is a MIB/Locke and a Jacob infection?..

interesting...I've only attributed the infection to the dark/MIB side before now...

[K.C.]

A couple of thoughts:

1. I think it's interesting that Smoke Locke started screaming "Don't tell me what I can't do!" There's obviously some of Locke still in there. I wonder how much?

2. I also think it's interesting in that Last Supper photo up there that Iliana is not on the side of the table you'd think she'd be on.

Ilana - Bartholomew
Richard - James The Lesser
Claire - Andrew
Sayid - Judas Iscariot
Kate - Peter
Sawyer - John
Locke - Jesus
Jack - Thomas (Doubting Thomas)
Jin - James The Greater
Ben - Phillip
Sun - Matthew
Miles - Jude Thaddeus
Frank - Simon the Zealot




I'm more likely to believe that there's similarities to their biblical counterparts in the photo.

For instance, the Locke as Jesus is obvious given the resurrection.

Kate (in Peter's spot) and Sawyer (in John the Greater's spot) could be a hint in the sense that those two apostles were the first to visit the tomb of the resurrected Jesus...they could end up being the first to recruits of MIB-Locke.

Jack as Doubting Thomas is easy.

Phillip (Ben) was a martyr who sacrificed his own life to save Bartholemew's (Ilana) as both were to be crucified...Ben's story has pointed towards a coming heroic redemption act for a while.

Sayid as Judas Iscariot...considering he's been claimed, and his will is supposedly going to be slowly eroded, a betrayal seems likely there, although could the betrayal be that he rejects his "claimage" and stabs MIB-Locke in the back?

Simon the Zealot (Frank) was a very obscure and little known apostle like Frank's character actually, although the Zealots were believed to be avengers of a sort...perhaps his role is to avenge Locke's death in some way.

Jude Thaddeus (Miles) was largely known for his role in the receiving of the Holy Spirit....Miles is a ghost whisperer of sorts...also, Jude is linked with Simon (Frank) in most of his biblical writings...Frank and Miles are obviously linked by the freighter.

Matthew (Sun) is known for writing the Gospel....Sun's role has largely become observational, as she hasn't had much to do...in fact, the only thing she's done so far this season is suggest Locke be buried...perhaps she's going to honor Locke's memory in the way Matthew did Jesus through the Gospel.

James (Jin) is the brother of John (Sawyer)....we know they formed a close relationship last season...both end up martyred....both, along with Peter (Kate) are the only three to witness the transfiguration of Jesus (Locke) where Jesus is identified as the son of God and speaks to ancestrial figures Moses and Elijah (Jacob? MIB?)

James the Less (Richard) is a figurehead leader of the early Church....Richard is obviously Jacob's figurehead leader.

Andrew (Claire) is the brother of Peter (Kate) and introduces Peter to Jesus (Locke)....it could be Claire that brings Kate to MIB-Locke's side.

[K.C.]

I haven't thought of two different types of infection...you think there is a MIB/Locke and a Jacob infection?..

interesting...I've only attributed the infection to the dark/MIB side before now...

Jacob definitely marked the people he visited in some way, but I don't know that it should be interpreted the same way as the infection is described.

I'm still re-interested in Rousseau in light of actually finding out the sickness/infection does exist.

Especially given the Claire/Rousseau comparisons that I think are coming our way. Are we suppose to believe Rousseau was infected in a sense, despite claiming she had to kill her team because they were infected? If not, what do we make of Claire?

I have a feeling that whatever made Rousseau the way she is, is the same thing afflicting Claire...Rousseau wasn't altogether evil from what we saw, although she was somewhat cold-blooded in her dealings with The Others and her team...which I wonder if the "infection" is more of an erosion of one's humanity and becoming more animalistic, instead of becoming a willing agent of MIB.

Perhaps the infection makes you more amiable to fall under MIB's control, but not necessarily make you an agent of his.

[Dell]

Jacob definitely marked the people he visited in some way, but I don't know that it should be interpreted the same way as the infection is described.

I'm still re-interested in Rousseau in light of actually finding out the sickness/infection does exist.

Especially given the Claire/Rousseau comparisons that I think are coming our way. Are we suppose to believe Rousseau was infected in a sense, despite claiming she had to kill her team because they were infected? If not, what do we make of Claire?

I have a feeling that whatever made Rousseau the way she is, is the same thing afflicting Claire...Rousseau wasn't altogether evil from what we saw, although she was somewhat cold-blooded in her dealings with The Others and her team...which I wonder if the "infection" is more of an erosion of one's humanity and becoming more animalistic, instead of becoming a willing agent of MIB.

Perhaps the infection makes you more amiable to fall under MIB's control, but not necessarily make you an agent of his.

while I think the majority (and myself) thought Jacob was the "good" at first...I'm starting to think that the MIB/Locke might be the "good" now...

Jacob was presented as providing man a chance to do good with everyone he brought to the island, but I'm starting to think it was more for manipulation than "good"...man generally prefers choice than manipulation...hmmm...

[TheGameHHH]

while I think the majority (and myself) thought Jacob was the "good" at first...I'm starting to think that the MIB/Locke might be the "good" now...

Jacob was presented as providing man a chance to do good with everyone he brought to the island, but I'm starting to think it was more for manipulation than "good"...man generally prefers choice than manipulation...hmmm...

i can see that point, the only thing that really throws me through a loop are the uses of light and dark. Jacob has been associated with white while MIB has always been black, I can't ever recall black representing good and white evil.

[Dell]

i can see that point, the only thing that really throws me through a loop are the uses of light and dark. Jacob has been associated with white while MIB has always been black, I can't ever recall black representing good and white evil.

yeah...the black smoke killing people definitely presents an inconsistency with my theory...but I cannot believe the "good" can be as manipulative as Jacob has been portrayed or as uncaring as those in the temple have been portrayed...

damn, I love this show...

[K.C.]

i can see that point, the only thing that really throws me through a loop are the uses of light and dark. Jacob has been associated with white while MIB has always been black, I can't ever recall black representing good and white evil.

I don't really see it...it's a classic Devil's Advocate (or, using a metaphor already used in Lost, Adam & Eve and the serpent) argument that they're trying to go with.

They're going to make the MIB viewpoint as enticing as possible to the viewers, and probably have several defections to that side, to cast doubt in people's minds before they finally reveal why Jacob has done what he's done.

I don't think the show really works if we're suppose to believe in the MIB side of things, and I don't think the portrayal of Jacob as usurping free will to pull people's strings like puppets is a really accurate portrayal of what he's probably be doing.


If anything, I think it's been establish MIB has been pulling most of the strings...most of what we saw on the island in the early seasons was by his design to get the pieces in place to where he could finally exploit the loophole to kill Jacob.

You can definitively say he's been manipulating people all along...I'm not sure you can say the same about Jacob yet.

[TheGameHHH]

I don't really see it...it's a classic Devil's Advocate (or, using a metaphor already used in Lost, Adam & Eve and the serpent) argument that they're trying to go with.

They're going to make the MIB viewpoint as enticing as possible to the viewers, and probably have several defections to that side, to cast doubt in people's minds before they finally reveal why Jacob has done what he's done.

I don't think the show really works if we're suppose to believe in the MIB side of things, and I don't think the portrayal of Jacob as usurping free will to pull people's strings like puppets is a really accurate portrayal of what he's probably be doing.


If anything, I think it's been establish MIB has been pulling most of the strings...most of what we saw on the island in the early seasons was by his design to get the pieces in place to where he could finally exploit the loophole to kill Jacob.

You can definitively say he's been manipulating people all along...I'm not sure you can say the same about Jacob yet.

something just hit me when i read that, i have a question i need you to answer. ben had access to the "smoke monster", when he called on it to kill those army guys hired by whitmore. so clearly they had been in contact. why didnt the "monster" just have Ben kill Richard, then inhabit Richard, kill Jacob and call this all a day years ago?

[Dell]

I don't really see it...it's a classic Devil's Advocate (or, using a metaphor already used in Lost, Adam & Eve and the serpent) argument that they're trying to go with.

They're going to make the MIB viewpoint as enticing as possible to the viewers, and probably have several defections to that side, to cast doubt in people's minds before they finally reveal why Jacob has done what he's done.

I don't think the show really works if we're suppose to believe in the MIB side of things, and I don't think the portrayal of Jacob as usurping free will to pull people's strings like puppets is a really accurate portrayal of what he's probably be doing.


If anything, I think it's been establish MIB has been pulling most of the strings...most of what we saw on the island in the early seasons was by his design to get the pieces in place to where he could finally exploit the loophole to kill Jacob.

You can definitively say he's been manipulating people all along...I'm not sure you can say the same about Jacob yet.

definitely see your point about manipulation with the exception of Jacob bringing people to the island while the MIB wished it otherwise...MIB definitely got involved once people got to the island, but it was Jacob that altered people's reality to bring them to the island...not much of a "who manipulated the most" chicken and egg with that one...

[K.C.]

something just hit me when i read that, i have a question i need you to answer. ben had access to the "smoke monster", when he called on it to kill those army guys hired by whitmore. so clearly they had been in contact. why didnt the "monster" just have Ben kill Richard, then inhabit Richard, kill Jacob and call this all a day years ago?

First off, we don't know how it inhabits, who it can inhabit, or what's involved in that. So I don't think it's quite that simple.

Second, it's been suggested that Richard has never actually seen or spoken to Jacob, so I don't know if that would work...Locke was a candidate as pointed out, which as MIB said would have got him access to Jacob. We know Ben wasn't a candidate, as he never had interaction with Jacob, and if you watch the Richard stuff, it's strongly suggested Richard either has never, or hasn't come in contact with Jacob in a long time.

Third, I've had the impression all along that part of the "rules" to this is that they can't directly make any of these people do anything (or at the very least any of the candidates)...that while Jacob and MIB can present certain scenarios and and put them in certain situations, that the actions taken ultimately have to be the choice of the people who perform them (i.e. Ben chose to kill Jacob...Locke chose to push the frozen donkey wheel to move the island and take up the Jeremy Bentham quest).

And fourth, MIB needed someone else to kill Jacob...inhabiting Richard and killing Jacob is still breaking the rules, because Richard would be MIB. That's why MIB/Locke needed Ben.

[Meataball23]

Donnie Baseball? NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

:clap::clap:

Donnie baseball would own MIB



Terry Quinn is a locke for emmy


Ghee Ghee Ghee

[Aggie]

They confirmed Shannon will be back this season....

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/17/lost-exclusive-maggie-grace-shannon/?ew_packageID=20313460

[CountryBob]

First off, we don't know how it inhabits, who it can inhabit, or what's involved in that. So I don't think it's quite that simple.

Second, it's been suggested that Richard has never actually seen or spoken to Jacob, so I don't know if that would work...Locke was a candidate as pointed out, which as MIB said would have got him access to Jacob. We know Ben wasn't a candidate, as he never had interaction with Jacob, and if you watch the Richard stuff, it's strongly suggested Richard either has never, or hasn't come in contact with Jacob in a long time.

Third, I've had the impression all along that part of the "rules" to this is that they can't directly make any of these people do anything (or at the very least any of the candidates)...that while Jacob and MIB can present certain scenarios and and put them in certain situations, that the actions taken ultimately have to be the choice of the people who perform them (i.e. Ben chose to kill Jacob...Locke chose to push the frozen donkey wheel to move the island and take up the Jeremy Bentham quest).

And fourth, MIB needed someone else to kill Jacob...inhabiting Richard and killing Jacob is still breaking the rules, because Richard would be MIB. That's why MIB/Locke needed Ben.

I think that Richard has had contact with Jacob due to his ability to leave the island years before and visit young Locke (also never aging) - remember he was recruiting but for whom? And since the MIB cant leave the island and Jacob can it makes sense to me that saying Richard hasnt ever had contact with Jacob seem wrong. Ahhh... what do I know?

[Aggie]

I think that Richard has had contact with Jacob due to his ability to leave the island years before and visit young Locke (also never aging) - remember he was recruiting but for whom? And since the MIB cant leave the island and Jacob can it makes sense to me that saying Richard hasnt ever had contact with Jacob seem wrong. Ahhh... what do I know?

i think he meant ben, because up until he killed him he had never seen or spoke to him. he only pretended to.

[CountryBob]

Arrrgg ... that be true!

[instrument]

Jacob definitely marked the people he visited in some way, but I don't know that it should be interpreted the same way as the infection is described.

I'm still re-interested in Rousseau in light of actually finding out the sickness/infection does exist.

Especially given the Claire/Rousseau comparisons that I think are coming our way. Are we suppose to believe Rousseau was infected in a sense, despite claiming she had to kill her team because they were infected? If not, what do we make of Claire?

I have a feeling that whatever made Rousseau the way she is, is the same thing afflicting Claire...Rousseau wasn't altogether evil from what we saw, although she was somewhat cold-blooded in her dealings with The Others and her team...which I wonder if the "infection" is more of an erosion of one's humanity and becoming more animalistic, instead of becoming a willing agent of MIB.

Perhaps the infection makes you more amiable to fall under MIB's control, but not necessarily make you an agent of his.

i'm lost by "rousseau the way she was" (yes was she is dead) i thought what made her the way she was was having her child taken from her after having to kill her husband/friends after the black smoke infected them...i thought this was rather straightforwardly explained to us.

if this whole show has been to find a new steward for this stupid ass island then i'm going to be unamused.

and i hope sawyer and locke have a back exit out of that cave that's now missing a rope ladder.

[Aggie]

i'm lost by "rousseau the way she was" (yes was she is dead) i thought what made her the way she was was having her child taken from her after having to kill her husband/friends after the black smoke infected them...i thought this was rather straightforwardly explained to us.

if this whole show has been to find a new steward for this stupid ass island then i'm going to be unamused.

and i hope sawyer and locke have a back exit out of that cave that's now missing a rope ladder.

don't worry, the "hurley bird" is going to come by so they can jump on his back and fly them out.

[Furtherman]

don't worry, the "hurley bird" is going to come by so they can jump on his back and fly them out.

HA! That bird will probably be one of the unanswered questions. It was so random and never brought up again.

[Aggie]

HA! That bird will probably be one of the unanswered questions. It was so random and never brought up again.

i had forgotten about it! doc jensen brought it up in one of his column's but he said it wouldn't be addressed because it didn't say "hurley"! that's what the producers said anyway, they said it was a case of fans hearing something that wasn't there.

[Furtherman]

i had forgotten about it! doc jensen brought it up in one of his column's but he said it wouldn't be addressed because it didn't say "hurley"! that's what the producers said anyway, they said it was a case of fans hearing something that wasn't there.

Well, Hurley did say "Did that bird just say my name?"

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[dino_electropolis]

Anychance of getting adabisi/Mr. Eko back???

http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/mr-eko.jpg

his number must be something like 12"

[K.C.]

i'm lost by "rousseau the way she was" (yes was she is dead) i thought what made her the way she was was having her child taken from her after having to kill her husband/friends after the black smoke infected them...i thought this was rather straightforwardly explained to us.

if this whole show has been to find a new steward for this stupid ass island then i'm going to be unamused.

and i hope sawyer and locke have a back exit out of that cave that's now missing a rope ladder.

That's what we've been shown but the parallel to her and Claire's current situation and the fact Claire's current state is attributed to her supposedly being 'claimed' at least raises the issue that there might be more to Rousseau than what we've seen.

Or, it could mean that The Others miscalculated in their judgment of Claire and she's gone all "evil jungle angel of death" because of the same trauma of losing Aaron (remember, Claire doesn't know Kate took Aaron and got him off the island.)

[K.C.]

Anychance of getting adabisi/Mr. Eko back???

http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/mr-eko.jpg

his number must be something like 12"

I think he's one of the people who is just done with the show.

[TonyStark]

That's what we've been shown but the parallel to her and Claire's current situation and the fact Claire's current state is attributed to her supposedly being 'claimed' at least raises the issue that there might be more to Rousseau than what we've seen.

Or, it could mean that The Others miscalculated in their judgment of Claire and she's gone all "evil jungle angel of death" because of the same trauma of losing Aaron (remember, Claire doesn't know Kate took Aaron and got him off the island.)

Ya, I think that Claire is probably claimed like Locke and acted like she did in the last episode since Jin is one of the candidates for succeeding Jacob. That was my interpretation at least...I think the fact that we didn't see her for so long and she disappeared into thin air means that she wasn't just living out there, she had been claimed.

[Aggie]

anybody have a screen cap or split screen of the two little boys in the jungle? a friend pointed out they looked like different kids...could it be a rapidly aging jacob (back to his former self)? maybe a projection of young smokey and the one sawyer could see was young sawyer? the aaron thing was intriguing as well.

here's a short interview with o'quinn (locke), i thought the recruiting thing was interesting:

EW: Any hints you can provide about where we’re headed in the next chunk of episodes?

TO: My guy—Smokey, as I call him—has a plan and he has an objective, and he’s working toward it. The question is, ‘Is it for his own good or for the good of everyone?’ That’s still up for debate.

EW: The Man in Black/Locke/Smokey revelation was a major advancement of the Lost mythology. How did you feel about that twist?

TO: I thought it was one of the biggest leaps that people were going to have to take, in terms of suspension of disbelief. Like, “Okay. All right then.” But they’d already been set up because you knew Christian, Jack’s dad, was walking around and things like that. Somebody said, “Did Lost jump the shark?” and I said, “Either they always have or they didn’t.” You know? It’s just one more giant leap. People seem to have taken it in stride. I was afraid that it might be asking too much of an audience to accept that, but everybody seems to be dealing with it all right, so I’m real happy with that.

EW: Is it an honor to be the Smoke Monster?

TO: Oh, yeah. It’s fun to play. I mean, it’s just totally different from whatever John Locke was. Bad guys have better secrets. And if he’s a bad guy, he’s got a lot of secrets. And that’s what frustrates people. When [Sawyer] says, “What are you?” and Smokey says, “What I am is trapped,” okay—you don’t pursue that question. Everybody else will go, “Well, what the hell does that mean? Who are you? Come on, man!” But we’re going to have to wait until another week to find that out.

EW: How did you go about playing this new character? It seems like a tricky needle to thread—as you’ve said, it’s “hard not to load things up, become arch.”

TO: Well, it is. Not because of any instruction, I chose to…. In the scene, for example, right after I told Ben I was Smokey – “I’m sorry you saw me like that”— occasionally there’s residual Locke emotions or feelings that Smokey gets that may surprise him, may irritate him, that he can’t completely control, so he’ll be smug or make fun of John Locke. Or say he was a loser and he was pathetic and he was broken. But for my own edification, I keep a little spark of John Locke alive in this being, whatever he is… so that if for any reason, anybody wants to summon that spark, it’s there. And I think sometimes Smokey’s indifference is my choice. Smokey’s puzzled by it: What is this persona he’s inhabited? Maybe it’s stronger than he thought it was. But that just gives me things to play in the scene, gives a little bit of color to a scene. And I enjoy it. He was moved when he told Ben that John Locke’s last thought was, “I don’t understand.” And he was surprised to be moved.

EW: In last week’s episode, Ilana said that Smokey is “recruiting,” and we saw him go after Richard Alpert and Sawyer. Is his first order of business to recruit all of the castaways?

TO: There’s some recruiting that goes on. We’re doing an episode now called “The Last Recruit.” He has a purpose. As you know, all of a sudden, they’re establishing all these rules. “You can’t do this unless this…” It’s like a children’s game. We keep making up new rules [laughs]. So the recruiting has to do with fulfilling the rules.

EW: What feedback are you getting from fans?

TO: People tell me they like Bad Locke: “I like the new dark guy.” And I say, “Well, that’s good. I’m having fun playing him. I don’t know if you’re going to like him when it’s all over, but as long as you’re liking watching.” It’s amazing to me—what is this love affair we have with bad guys? With the bad boy in high school, with the anti-hero, et cetera, et cetera? Because I was always just a very nice boy. I didn’t get it.

[disneyspy]

i dont know but if richard couldnt see jacob and he couldnt see the blonde boy...

also in the bible aaron was some kind of decendent of jacob

[PD]

http://neverseenlost.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/introduction/

(found via http://twitter.com/DamonLindelof )

[Aggie]

the 2 jungle boys...they are definitely different actors, not the same kid. what does it mean?

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs372.snc3/23891_318985508378_739563378_3561267_4641580_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs372.snc3/23891_318986083378_739563378_3561268_4545189_n.jpg

[IMSlacker]

http://neverseenlost.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/introduction/

(found via http://twitter.com/DamonLindelof )

Sad Day Monster is a so much better name than "Smokey".

[mikeyboy]

New podcast from Carlton Cruse and Damon Lindelof is available now.

[TheGameHHH]

the 2 jungle boys...they are definitely different actors, not the same kid. what does it mean?

really? they dont seem that much different to me.

[mikeyboy]

really? they dont seem that much different to me.

Yeah, it looks like it could be the same kid to me as well.

[Aggie]

Sad Day Monster is a so much better name than "Smokey".

it really is...

There is a monster on the island that is really just the sad raincloud that follows you around on bad days. Apparently the sad raincloud hates it when you stand in a circle of black dust.

LOLZ

really? they dont seem that much different to me.

their facial features look different to me. let me see if they list the actors on imdb.

[Aggie]

really? they dont seem that much different to me.

one of them says "teenage boy"...another says "young sawyer"...did they show a flashback to young sawyer? maybe you're right and it was just the "teenage boy" they showed twice.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1533421/fullcredits#cast

[Dan 'Hampton]

They showed the clip again of Jacob visit Sawyer at the church after his parents funeral.

[mikeyboy]

They showed the clip again of Jacob visit Sawyer at the church after his parents funeral.

Also, the footage of young Sawyer is listed as "archival footage"

[Aggie]

They showed the clip again of Jacob visit Sawyer at the church after his parents funeral.

yeah, i remembered after i posted. but the younger boy in the jungle didn't speak, right? do you only get credit on the cast list if you have a speaking part?

i'm probably splitting hairs. just curious.

[K.C.]

yeah, i remembered after i posted. but the younger boy in the jungle didn't speak, right? do you only get credit on the cast list if you have a speaking part?

i'm probably splitting hairs. just curious.

"you're not allowed to kill him"

"you broke the rules"

or something to that effect.

[instrument]

Its obvious the little boy was alanis morrisette from dogma...or....god..

[dino_electropolis]

http://neverseenlost.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/introduction/

(found via http://twitter.com/DamonLindelof )

thank you for this! hilarious!

[Servo]

There's no truth to the report that "Sheckler" and "Hargis" are on the cave wall as numbers 197 and 202, is there? :lol:

[Doctor Manhattan]

Hey, I was just thinking about what Aldo and Justin said a couple episodes ago. They are the others who went looking for Sawyer with Kate and Jin. Aldo reminded Kate about her escape (during season 3) and Justin mentioned that Rousseau died "years ago" (season 4). These events both happened in 2004. It's 2007 on the island now (for everyone, since the 1977 people were pushed forward to the time to catch up with the flight 316 people who did not go back in time.) so this stuff happened about 3 years ago.

Ben left the island early 2005, but before he turned the wheel he left Locke (the real Locke) in charge, as the leader of the Others. But because of Ben's moving of the island Locke started moving through time, and leaving the island himself to stop the flashes.

This brings me to my point: Who is the leader of the others between day 108 (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline:2005_and_beyond) (Jan 7th 2005, when Locke disappeared while with Richard and the Others, just beginning to lead them) and the time Flocke (The Smoke Monster appearing as Locke, fooling everyone including Richard, it seems only Sawyer could tell but they only just met on last week's show) shows up on the island 3 years later and takes the leader role with the others.

It probably not a big deal, but it seems that there was no leader in place until "Follow the Leader" when Flocke greets Richard, who says there is something different about him but is not scared until LA X when he realizes who Flocke really is. Does Richard lead them when there isn't a person in that role?

Also wondering if anything important happened on the island during those 3 years? Everything we saw during that time was off island (with the Oceanic 6 between leaving the island and returning on flight 316)

[PD]

New podcast from Carlton Cruse and Damon Lindelof is available now.

Finally!!!!

[CountryBob]

I dont think that we have seen the last of Widmore.

[K.C.]

Hey, I was just thinking about what Aldo and Justin said a couple episodes ago. They are the others who went looking for Sawyer with Kate and Jin. Aldo reminded Kate about her escape (during season 3) and Justin mentioned that Rousseau died "years ago" (season 4). These events both happened in 2004. It's 2007 on the island now (for everyone, since the 1977 people were pushed forward to the time to catch up with the flight 316 people who did not go back in time.) so this stuff happened about 3 years ago.

Ben left the island early 2005, but before he turned the wheel he left Locke (the real Locke) in charge, as the leader of the Others. But because of Ben's moving of the island Locke started moving through time, and leaving the island himself to stop the flashes.

This brings me to my point: Who is the leader of the others between day 108 (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline:2005_and_beyond) (Jan 7th 2005, when Locke disappeared while with Richard and the Others, just beginning to lead them) and the time Flocke (The Smoke Monster appearing as Locke, fooling everyone including Richard, it seems only Sawyer could tell but they only just met on last week's show) shows up on the island 3 years later and takes the leader role with the others.

It probably not a big deal, but it seems that there was no leader in place until "Follow the Leader" when Flocke greets Richard, who says there is something different about him but is not scared until LA X when he realizes who Flocke really is. Does Richard lead them when there isn't a person in that role?

Also wondering if anything important happened on the island during those 3 years? Everything we saw during that time was off island (with the Oceanic 6 between leaving the island and returning on flight 316)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panchen_Lama

Richard was the de facto leader, just like he was in 1955, but he was waiting to find a new leader.

Interestingly enough, though, Ben should have never been picked in the first place to lead. His coming to The Others and rise to leader was orchestrated by manipulations of the Smoke Monster.

So Richard saving Ben's life is actually one of the biggest mistakes in the entire chain of events if you believe Jacob's side is the greater good.

Ben's "specialness" was derived from visions of the Monster portraying his mother. He never came in contact with Jacob, hence he never should have been chosen. He's always been a pawn to get to Jacob eventually.

[disneyspy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panchen_Lama

Richard was the de facto leader, just like he was in 1955, but he was waiting to find a new leader.

Interestingly enough, though, Ben should have never been picked in the first place to lead. His coming to The Others and rise to leader was orchestrated by manipulations of the Smoke Monster.

So Richard saving Ben's life is actually one of the biggest mistakes in the entire chain of events if you believe Jacob's side is the greater good.

Ben's "specialness" was derived from visions of the Monster portraying his mother. He never came in contact with Jacob, hence he never should have been chosen. He's always been a pawn to get to Jacob eventually.

awesome point,didnt think of that and i dont think jacob is the good guy,i didnt want to be the first to point out the inconsistencies of the light smoke monster

[disneyspy]

see,jacob wants widmore to come to the island

[disneyspy]

these are not the droids you are looking for

[hammersavage]

So who is Jacks baby mama?

[KingGeno]

So who is Jacks baby mama?

Definitely Rousseau

[disneyspy]

clare's not infected,she's full blown bad ass

[Dan 'Hampton]

Jack cries more often than Fez.

[SHANEFROMGA]

clare's not infected,she's full blown bad ass

she's really got the crazy eyes thing down. i believe she could and would kill you in a heart beat. she said her father told her the people at the temple had her baby and her friend is the fake locke, was the ghost of jacks father just the man in black in his form ? it would explain why claire and christian were in jacobs cabin a dew seasons ago . claire could have broken the ashe ring around the cabin so "M I B" could get in. he's using claire like he used ben.

[JDE]

So who is Jacks baby mama?

It's his ex wife(Julie Bowen).



I think it is Desmond who Jacob wants to come to the island, he has always been the special one with the time travel and everything, that would be my guess.

[JDE]

she's really got the crazy eyes thing down. i believe she could and would kill you in a heart beat. she said her father told her the people at the temple had her baby and her friend is the fake locke, was the ghost of jacks father just the man in black in his form ? it would explain why claire and christian were in jacobs cabin a dew seasons ago . claire could have broken the ashe ring around the cabin so "M I B" could get in. he's using claire like he used ben.

Correct I think on all your points.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Yeah I agree with you on all that. I'd never put it together that Claire broke the ash ring.

[Dell]

somehow widmore and his crazy baby momma will come to the island...I just hope they bring their time-traveling son with them (in whatever dimension)...

this is good stuff...just hope it doesn't have an anticlimax like Twin Peaks...

[Willmore]

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Wallace = 108

Now .... who the fuck is Wallace?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/Braveheart_imp.jpg

[King Imp]

Wallace = 108

Now .... who the fuck is Wallace?

I wasn't paying close attention at that part. Was that the name next to 108?
I just assumed the 108 was simply for the total of the numbers (4,8,15,16,23,42).

[SHANEFROMGA]

Yeah I agree with you on all that. I'd never put it together that Claire broke the ash ring.

didn't hit me until last nite.

[K.C.]

108 was crossed out, though, so it would appear the person is dead, so whoever is 108, isn't the same as the person coming to the island.

I think we have to just take Jacob at face value that most of what he told Hurley was to get Jack to confront the fact that he does have a purpose there.

[Furtherman]

108 was crossed out, though, so it would appear the person is dead, so whoever is 108, isn't the same as the person coming to the island.

I think we have to just take Jacob at face value that most of what he told Hurley was to get Jack to confront the fact that he does have a purpose there.

There was a lot of names in the lighthouse. I'm thinking Jacob and MIB have been leading people to the island forever and now they finally have a group that might help them accomplish their goals.




"I just lied to a samurai."

[disneyspy]

There was a lot of names in the lighthouse. I'm thinking Jacob and MIB have been leading people to the island forever and now they finally have a group that might help them accomplish their goals.




"I just lied to a samurai."

its just wierd that it took 360 people to get down to the final candidates

and i would think the one would have to be a woman because jacob has been killing the pregant women to keep the MIB on the island

[mikeyboy]

SHANNON'S INHALER!!!!!!

I think that was a little nod to this...

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[Doctor Manhattan]

I am sure you have all noticed this:

Season 1
Episode 1: Pilot (Various flashbacks)
Episode 2: Tabula Rasa (Kate's flashback)
Episode 3: Walkabout (Locke's flashback)
Episode 4: White Rabbit (Jack's flashback)

Season 6
Episode 1: LA X (Various flash-sideways)
Episode 2: What Kate (Kate's flash-sideways)
Episode 3: The Substitute (Locke's flash-sideways)
Episode 4: Lighthouse (Jack's flash-sideways)

I do not think they will keep this pattern up since they will probably center episodes around characters who did not appear in season 1.

[disneyspy]

I am sure you have all noticed this:

Season 1
Episode 1: Pilot (Various flashbacks)
Episode 2: Tabula Rasa (Kate's flashback)
Episode 3: Walkabout (Locke's flashback)
Episode 4: White Rabbit (Jack's flashback)

Season 6
Episode 1: LA X (Various flash-sideways)
Episode 2: What Kate (Kate's flash-sideways)
Episode 3: The Substitute (Locke's flash-sideways)
Episode 4: Lighthouse (Jack's flash-sideways)

I do not think they will keep this pattern up since they will probably center episodes around characters who did not appear in season 1.
sweet,hadnt noticed the similarities

[King Imp]

So, as usual, once things get into time travel and alternate realities, I have a hard time following them.

I know most believe that the flash sideways are because the plane didn't crash, but it's obvious that based on last night's revelation (Jack having a son) that things changed well before that. My thought is that it's because Jacob didn't exist, thus he never visited any of these people and "changed" their lives.

Is that the belief or am I once again way off base here? I'm thinking I must be missing something as this theory wouldn't explain Hurley. Unless I am remembering it wrong, Jacob didn't visit Hurley until he told him he had to come back to the island. If so, that wouldn't explain why Hurley is now "lucky".

[SHANEFROMGA]

So, as usual, once things get into time travel and alternate realities, I have a hard time following them.

I know most believe that the flash sideways are because the plane didn't crash, but it's obvious that based on last night's revelation (Jack having a son) that things changed well before that. My thought is that it's because Jacob didn't exist, thus he never visited any of these people and "changed" their lives.

Is that the belief or am I once again way off base here? I'm thinking I must be missing something as this theory wouldn't explain Hurley. Unless I am remembering it wrong, Jacob didn't visit Hurley until he told him he had to come back to the island. If so, that wouldn't explain why Hurley is now "lucky".

yeah if you think about it, the changes start from 1977 when the bomb went off not 2004 when the button was not pushed, so the people who were on the island in the 70 never went there now and changed the course of "reality" as it was set in the "plane crash reality". hence ben working at the school where john locke is subbing at.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I'm thinking I must be missing something as this theory wouldn't explain Hurley. Unless I am remembering it wrong, Jacob didn't visit Hurley until he told him he had to come back to the island. If so, that wouldn't explain why Hurley is now "lucky".

I don't think that Jacob not visiting them it the cause of the changes, Sayid and Hurley were visited after they left the island and their lives are changed in the Flash-sideways.

I am curious if Hurley won the lottery with the same numbers and if so where he got them from. With the Island underwater there is no radio tower transmitting the numbers for Sam Toomey and Leonard Sims to hear on the radio while serving in the navy in the late 1980s, and Lenny did not pass the numbers to Hurley while in Santa Rosa.

[K.C.]

I think the Jacob visits made the six candidates unkillable by the Smoke Monster.

The monster probably directly killed a significant number of the crossed out candidates...when Jacob touched the ones he touched, it put them out of play.

Hence the recruiting and the coming war. The monster needs these final six candidates to kill each other, or believe in his cause and then he can do whatever he needs to do.

[K.C.]

Updated list

2 - Lacombe (French Team)
4 - Locke (John)
8 - Reyes (Hugo)
10 - Mattingly (U.S. Military - 1955)
12 - Foster
14 - Pryce (Ryan)
15 - Ford (James)
16 - Jarrah (Sayid)
17 - Barnes
18 - Kueffner
19 - Nguyen
20 - Rousseau (Danielle or Alex)
21 - McHenry
22 - Moorhead
23 - Shephard (Jack or Christian)
24 - Kluxen
25 - Asher
26 - Bozarth
30 - Wade
31 - Toms
32 - Rutherford (Shannon)
33 - Novak
34 - Grimaldi
35 - Brennan (French Team)
36 - Syzmanski
37 - Torres
38 - Lindstrom
39 - Morloka
40 - Dowson
42 - Kwon (Jin or Sun)
43 - Barnes
44 - Martinez
47 - Gupta
48 - Stanhope (Goodwin or Harper)
49 - Meyers
51 - Austen (Kate)
54 - Olarti
55 - Kennedy
56 - Hansen
58 - Burke (Juliet)
59 - Suzuki
60 - Kysea
61 - Davies
64 - Goldstein
73 - Costa
77 - Franetski
90 - Troup (Gary)
96 - Greeson
97 - Hallison
97 - Pattison
100 - Bardfield
101 - Faraday (Daniel)
102 - Montand (French Team)
103 - Horsman
104 - Lewis (Charlotte)
106 - Sregzynksi
107 - Thomson
108 - Wallace
109 - Friendly (Tom)
110 - Eipons
111 - Klein
112 - Horton
113 - Worden
114 - Yamada
115 - Rargas
116 - Lambert
117 - Linus (Benjamin or Roger)
118 - Chavez
119 - Almeida
120 - Rodriguez
121 - Nielson
122 - Freed
123 - Tay
124 - Dawson (Michael)
125 - Owens
126 - Renti
127 - Mora
128 - Paddock
129 - Campbell
130 - Tillman
171 - Straume (Miles)
195 - Pace (Charlie)
197 - Sheckler
202 - Harggas
222 - O’Toole
226 - Carlyle
231 - Amistad
233 - Jones (U.S. Military - 1955)
251 - Yaris
272 - Oralingo
282 - Aguila
285 - Jenkins (Steve)
291 - Domingo
301 - Mars (Edward)
313 - Littleton (Claire or Aaron)
317 - Cunningham (U.S. Military - 1955)
321 - Fernandez (Nikki)
335 - Henderson (Rose)
337 - Martin (Karl)
346 - Grant

[K.C.]

Updated list
313 - Littleton (Claire or Aaron)


This is crossed-off in the cave, which makes me believe it's Claire, and it's also pretty telling about her current state of being.

[disneyspy]

due to the amount of people still on the island (the temple dwellers) and the 360 degrees (and names corresponding to the degrees) its foolish to think that theres only 6 names that havent been scratched off

[Dan 'Hampton]

Does anyone have a screencap of harggas and sheckler?

[King Imp]

Interesting that of all those names Desmond's isn't on there.

[K.C.]

Honestly, the more I think about this show, the more I think everyone is doomed except Jack and Hurley (and maybe, but probably not likely, Kate).

Season 6 is a direct mirror of Season 1...if you read Doc Jensen's article this week, he does an excellent job of describing how almost every scene from this week's episode is a direct reflection of scenes from Jack's first Season 1 episode "White Rabbit."

And the overarching theme of the series in Season 1 was the 'coming to terms with yourself/healing the breaks' type of stories.

And so here we are in Season 6, and I think what we've been seeing up to this point is:

-Season 1 was the introduction; these are our characters, these are their flaws.
-Season 2 was largely a demonstration denial and regression for everyone (even Locke)
-Season 3 and Season 4 were sort of mid-term exam seasons, in which you saw characters confront the possibilities of destiny and what the experience should mean to them for the first time (Jack obviously failed this most spectacularly)
-Season 5 as a mirror to Season 2 is largely a season of awakening for each character, and understanding who they are.

And now we come to Season 6...the mirror of Season 1, and our final exam...these characters have been through all the different stages of this story arc, and now it's time for each to choose their path.

And if you look at where we are:
-Sawyer is more introverted, brooding, and filled with vengeance and rage than ever.
-Sayid more or less embraced the fact that he was cold-blooded killer
-Kate is as manipulative and narcissistic as ever (although see showed a couple chinks in that armor in the self-loathing type reaction she had to Sawyer rejecting her, so I'd keep her in the borderline column)
-Claire completely and utterly failed her "you have to raise Aaron" and be an influence of good in the child's life test.
-Ben betrayed everything he worked towards and believed in when he killed Jacob.

I will admit we haven't seen enough of Jin and Sun to get an idea of where they are in their character arcs, although I have a sneaking suspicion that Jin is in trouble.

And then there's Jack...and as counter-intuitive as it sounds, he's the only one giving any consideration to whether or not he was suppose to find something to fix himself through the island.

And that's really going to be the key here. Who finds their redemption through what's happened and who disconnects complete and descends further into madness.

[instrument]

really enjoyed last nights episode.
can't wait to see whats going to happen at the temple.

find it odd that there was never any ash around dharmaville...

[Dan 'Hampton]

They had the sonic barrier which supposedly kept out unwanted including smokey.

[instrument]

really? a sonic fence you say? how did i miss that.
oh wait, a sonic fence that could be circumvented by a tree
we've seen mr smokey go much higher than that barrier, do remember what he did to those soldiers.

[TheGameHHH]

was I the only one to find last nights episode boring?

[Dan 'Hampton]

If it was an early on season I would have really liked it. Good episode not great.

[Pestz4Evah]

I am sure you have all noticed this:

Season 1
Episode 1: Pilot (Various flashbacks)
Episode 2: Tabula Rasa (Kate's flashback)
Episode 3: Walkabout (Locke's flashback)
Episode 4: White Rabbit (Jack's flashback)

Season 6
Episode 1: LA X (Various flash-sideways)
Episode 2: What Kate (Kate's flash-sideways)
Episode 3: The Substitute (Locke's flash-sideways)
Episode 4: Lighthouse (Jack's flash-sideways)

I do not think they will keep this pattern up since they will probably center episodes around characters who did not appear in season 1.

yeah, they are departing from that pattern next week:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_%28season_6%29#Episodes

[Doctor Manhattan]

Does anyone have a screencap of harggas and sheckler?

I think this was just an O&A fan updating Lostpedia, I have not seen anything that looks like it on the show (watching in HD with my DVR) and I have looked many times. The names Sheckler and Harggas are not outrageous and there are so many names that I am not surprised it hasn't been taken off.

I think the Jacob visits made the six candidates unkillable by the Smoke Monster.

The monster probably directly killed a significant number of the crossed out candidates...when Jacob touched the ones he touched, it put them out of play.

What about Locke? Jacob touched him (seemed to bring him back to life) but he was still killed (by the same guy who would kill Jacob)

I guess leaving the island may affect the protection you are thinking of, and The Man in Black took advantage of the fact that Ben killed Locke.yeah, they are departing from that pattern next week:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_%28season_6%29#Episodes
I am glad they are, I am happy to see that a Richard episode is coming up. I think his story is the one thing I am looking forward to learning, I do wonder how they plan to do it without FlashBacks (unless they are bringing them back to the show)

[mikeyboy]

I think this was just an O&A fan updating Lostpedia, I have not seen anything that looks like it on the show (watching in HD with my DVR) and I have looked many times. The names Sheckler and Harggas are not outrageous and there are so many names that I am not surprised it hasn't been taken off.



What about Locke? Jacob touched him (seemed to bring him back to life) but he was still killed (by the same guy who would kill Jacob)

I guess leaving the island may affect the protection you are thinking of, and The Man in Black took advantage of the fact that Ben killed Locke.

Maybe putting the killing in the hands of Ben is a way around the rules.

[Willmore]

I think this was just an O&A fan updating Lostpedia, I have not seen anything that looks like it on the show (watching in HD with my DVR) and I have looked many times. The names Sheckler and Harggas are not outrageous and there are so many names that I am not surprised it hasn't been taken off.



What about Locke? Jacob touched him (seemed to bring him back to life) but he was still killed (by the same guy who would kill Jacob)

I guess leaving the island may affect the protection you are thinking of, and The Man in Black took advantage of the fact that Ben killed Locke.
I am glad they are, I am happy to see that a Richard episode is coming up. I think his story is the one thing I am looking forward to learning, I do wonder how they plan to do it without FlashBacks (unless they are bringing them back to the show)

Well the reason flashbacks have gone away, I believe, is purely because all of the flashback stories of the major characters were already told.

[K.C.]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][SIZE="2"][COLOR="Red"]
What about Locke? Jacob touched him (seemed to bring him back to life) but he was still killed (by the same guy who would kill Jacob)


I think you misunderstood me (although I probably didn't make the point well enough)...the touch makes them unkillable to the Smoke Monster.

They can still die...Smokey just can't kill them. Hence Ben killing Locke, Ben killing Jacob...

And that's why its been recruiting Claire, Sawyer (probably Jin, Sayid, and Kate soon), because it need them to kill the likes of Jack, Hurley, and whoever if they align with Jacob and take up his cause.

All the other candidates, who weren't touch by Jacob that are crossed off...they probably can (and many probably were) killed by the Smoke Monster.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Pacific under tsunami threat after massive 8.8 quake strikes Chile (http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/27/chile.quake/index.html?hpt=T1)

The earliest estimated arrival for a wave that could affect Hawaii was 12:46 a.m. local time (6:46 p.m. ET). But evacuations of coastal areas were to begin at 6 a.m. (12 p.m. ET).

I hate to say it, but as soon as I heard about this I thought of the filming that may be going on for Lost and how this might affect Season 6.

[TheGameHHH]

Pacific under tsunami threat after massive 8.8 quake strikes Chile (http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/27/chile.quake/index.html?hpt=T1)



I hate to say it, but as soon as I heard about this I thought of the filming that may be going on for Lost and how this might affect Season 6.

pretty sure theyre done, no? i remember when emerson was on O&A he said they were starting shooting for season 6 in August of 2009, we're now seven months after that.

[paulisded]

pretty sure theyre done, no? i remember when emerson was on O&A he said they were starting shooting for season 6 in August of 2009, we're now seven months after that.

The latest Entertainment Weekly stated that the filming doesn't conclude until early April.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Tsunami is how the island sinks.

[Doctor Manhattan]

pretty sure theyre done, no? i remember when emerson was on O&A he said they were starting shooting for season 6 in August of 2009, we're now seven months after that.

I am pretty sure that in past seasons they were still filming scenes for season finales just days before it aired. Post Production is a very short time (which is part of the reason some of the special effects aren't very special)

In the latest official podcast, Damcar (AKA Cardam, AKA Darlton) said they were still writing for future episodes, so if they are still writing then they will still need to film those episodes.

[TheGameHHH]

I am pretty sure that in past seasons they were still filming scenes for season finales just days before it aired. Post Production is a very short time (which is part of the reason some of the special effects aren't very special)

In the latest official podcast, Damcar (AKA Cardam, AKA Darlton) said they were still writing for future episodes, so if they are still writing then they will still need to film those episodes.

makes sense. it seems they knew of the chile earthquake ahead of time. remember the premiere with the island underwater? very sneaky Lost writers, very sneaky.

[instrument]

i just realized that in the mirror to the light house you saw where the flashbacks showed us where jacob met some of the cast, but with jack it showed his childhood home, not where the flashback showed they met.. so apparently either jacob met jack much sooner or jacob met with christian and christian was a candidate as well?

[Doctor Manhattan]

i just realized that in the mirror to the light house you saw where the flashbacks showed us where jacob met some of the cast, but with jack it showed his childhood home, not where the flashback showed they met.. so apparently either jacob met jack much sooner or jacob met with christian and christian was a candidate as well?
That is a good point, the name is written as "Shephard" not "Jack", so it could have been Christian.

I am also curious about Reyes and Jarrah, I am pretty sure those names are Hurley and Sayid, but we saw that Jacob met those people after they left the island, does the lighthouse wheel show those locations or places Jacob met them earlier, maybe as children?

[Aggie]

'Lost' execs 'spoil' final episodes at TV Fest '10
by Michael Ausiello


Status Check: The Lost writers are in the process of breaking the series finale, which will be penned by Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse and directed by Jack Bender. The penultimate episode will be written by producer/writers (and fellow panelists) Elizabeth Sarnoff, Eddy Kitsis and Adam Horowitz. Meanwhile, on the island, Bender has just wrapped episode 14 and is currently shooting 15.

It’s like Top Chef: No, seriously. Lindelof, who said they’re big fans of the Bravo reality series, likened writing the show to the Top Chef contestants having to figure out what to use after they’ve grabbed a bunch of ingredients in a hurry. He also described Lost as “the iceberg above the water.” Sometimes the writers want to explore the iceberg below the water, but aside from leaving room to discover small character moments, there are no big changes to the overall game.

Greatest hits: “The younger the actor, the more inflamed their performance,” said Michael Emerson, who’s been on the receiving end of many punches as Ben.

It’s a wonderful world: Should Disney someday replace Tom Sawyer Island with a Lost Island, what ride would the cast and crew like to see? Emerson suggested a wild ride on a VW bus with a distracted Hurley behind the wheel. Lindelof went with something more visceral: a dark room in which you spin around repeatedly before getting hit in the face. “You’ve just had the Lost experience!” Lindelof joked. All the joking about replacing Tom Sawyer Island led to…

Biggest epiphany/coincidence?: “Didn’t my dad call himself Tom Sawyer?” O’Quinn said after a long, revelatory pause.

Faux spin-off: Kitsis has constructed a character named Chester, who sells real estate on the island and complains about how hard it is to unload a piece of property that’s Black Rock adjacent.

No laughing matter: “We don’t have a gag reel,” Bender said. “People come to the set prepared,” O’Quinn added before pointing to Emerson. “You can’t shake this guy.”

The answer is “yes” to the following: Will Richard and Ilana exchange some words soon? Will we see another painting by Bender? Do some of the characters’ last names have significance, particularly Jack’s? Is Jack married to someone we’ve met before? Was Jacob telling the truth when he said someone was coming to the island? Will we learn more about Hurley and Libby’s connection? Will we see Vincent and Charlie again? Will we learn if Desmond was really on the plane?

The answer is “no” to the following: Will we get a conclusion to the story of Ben’s love, Annie? Do the purple circles in Bender’s mural mean anything? Did Juliet’s ex-husband get killed by a smoke bus? Will there be a DVD release of the show in chronological order?

The answer is “maybe” to the following: Will the Hurley bird be explained? Will we see Walt again?

The answer is “no comment” to the following: Will we learn why women can’t have babies on the island?

Radio silence: After being bombarded with questions about the show for six years, Cuse said they do not plan on commenting on the series finale after it airs.

Final spoiler from Lindelof: “Water.”

What does it all mean?! Hit the comments with your theories!



Sorry! I know one of you was dying about the Annie thing. Must not be important.

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/28/lost-spoilers-paley-fest/?ew_packageID=20313460

[disneyspy]

damn you aggie,i almost read that

[Dell]

damn you aggie,i almost read that

I almost read it as well...this is my last visit to this thread...HATE SPOILER (even when they are not true spoilers)...

[Aggie]

I almost read it as well...this is my last visit to this thread...HATE SPOILER (even when they are not true spoilers)...

geez people, sorry. they were very general. do you really think the darlton would ruin it? i tried to go back and put it in spoiler vision but i don't think it worked.

[hammersavage]

great, now i don't need to watch the rest of the season. thanks aggie

[disneyspy]

im throwing away all 5 seasons of LOST i have on bluray right now,thanks aggie

[Aggie]

great, now i don't need to watch the rest of the season. thanks aggie

fix it, mod boy. make it black text.

[HBox]

I have nothing left to live for. Thanks Aggie.

[Aggie]

between this and the other thread, my life is a failure. i should just end it now, john locke style.

[hammersavage]

fix it, mod boy. make it black text.

always black with you

[Aggie]

always black with you

the blacker the berry....

[hammersavage]

between this and the other thread, my life is a failure. i should just end it now, john locke style.

fixed it, boo. buck up

[Aggie]

fixed it, boo. buck up

you're good for something! who knew.:wub:

[IMSlacker]

between this and the other thread, my life is a failure. i should just end it now, john locke style.

What? John Locke is dead?

I'm still on season 4.

Thanks a lot, Aggie!

[mikeyboy]

http://reporter.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451d69069e201310f4e4ab1970c-800wi

http://www.thrfeed.com/2010/03/simpsons-lost-pic.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+live_feed+%28The+Hollywood+Re porter+-+The+Live+Feed%29

[Furtherman]

If you have Cablevision, be prepared not to be able to see Lost on Tuesdays after this week, as a contract dispute could result in ABC stations being off the cable provider as of March 7th.

You'll be able to watch it online, but still... I like watching it when it airs. :annoyed:

[disneyspy]

i'd be lost

[Contra]

If you have Cablevision, be prepared not to be able to see Lost on Tuesdays after this week, as a contract dispute could result in ABC stations being off the cable provider as of March 7th.

You'll be able to watch it online, but still... I like watching it when it airs. :annoyed:


Wow if that is true I really don't give cablevision much more time.

[Furtherman]

Wow if that is true I really don't give cablevision much more time.

It's ABC that is asking for 40 million more bucks a year from Cablevision to carry their stations.

[disneyspy]

so jacob did touch jack when he was a kid...

[HBox]

It's ABC that is asking for 40 million more bucks a year from Cablevision to carry their stations.

You hear a story like this and 9 times out of 10 it's fucking Cablevision. FIOS can't get around here soon enough.

[Furtherman]

so jacob did touch jack when he was a kid...

After his first surgery... With the candy bars.

[disneyspy]

After his first surgery... With the candy bars.

but in the enhanced 8 o'clock showing it said it "showed when jacob first touched the candidates" in the little words and it was the picture of the house where jack grew up,not where he lived when he was a surgeon

oh shit smokey

and he spoke first

[Furtherman]

Ooops Sayid. Now you pissed him off.

[Furtherman]

but in the enhanced 8 o'clock showing it said it "showed when jacob first touched the candidates" in the little words and it was the picture of the house where jack grew up,not where he lived when he was a surgeon

oh shit smokey

and he spoke first

We only saw Jacob touch Jack at the hospital. Only Sawyer and Kate were kids when he touched them, I believe. He may have watched them until he saw the right moment.

[disneyspy]

We only saw Jacob touch Jack at the hospital. Only Sawyer and Kate were kids when he touched them, I believe. He may have watched them until he saw the right moment.

hey im just going by what i read

[Dan 'Hampton]

If this show ends up being anymore god vs. devil it'll have been a waste of six seasons.

[Furtherman]

Oh shit

[booster11373]

Sayid is a bad ass no matter what universe he is in!

[Dan 'Hampton]

Was Kimi wearing the watch?

[disneyspy]

Was Kimi wearing the watch?

i just rewound,hands tied behind his back,couldnt tell

i just saw you said kimi not jin,too late shows on

[hammersavage]

If this show ends up being anymore god vs. devil it'll have been a waste of six seasons.

Yup

[paulisded]

Sayid's dazed look of possession is creepy.

[Furtherman]

MIB Locke got his team. Is there enough left for an opposing team?

[booster11373]

So clearly any of the scientific theories are now out the window

[Dan 'Hampton]

Went back and looked Kimi was wearing a watch that could have been the Rolex Jin was delivering.

[Dan 'Hampton]

So clearly any of the scientific theories are now out the window



Those theories haven't been plausible for the last 5 seasons.

[disneyspy]

Those theories haven't been plausible for the last 5 seasons.

they had to use the scientific theories to get on the right plane to get back to the island

[Dan 'Hampton]

You're right, I did see one of those huge pendulums at a science museum once, does that count?

[disneyspy]

one of the earlier seasons episodes was called "man of science,man of faith",jack vs locke,its all been building for years,thats what it has to come down to

[Dan 'Hampton]

Jack is such a pussy. I'm hoping Sawyer defects and ends up being the hero. I get enough male crying on a weekly basis. :) Don't need it from a "lead".

[hammersavage]

one of the earlier seasons episodes was called "man of science,man of faith",jack vs locke,its all been building for years,thats what it has to come down to

where does magic come in?

[booster11373]

The whole Dharma bit last year was science based, so was the time travel Im thinking

[K.C.]

The creation of the alternate universe (or 'flash-sideways') lends believability to the science aspect.

As for what's going on, there's a growing sentiment (myself included) that Jacob and MIB are both halves of the same entity.

And that goes a long way in explaining the "he was trapped", "one side light, one side dark" and seemingly duality of the two characters.

In fact, part of the finale may end up being that whoever takes the Jacob role ends up having to bind him (or her) self to the MIB to restore the balance (also could put the science part back in play).


Also, did ABC spoil that Ben may be killed off next week in their promo? Seriously, what the fuck.

I did get the impression, though, that Ben may temporarily lead the resistance to MIB in the next episode or two until Jack figures it out.

Jack's definitely the kingpin now, whether he likes it or not. What's going to finally bring him around, though, I'm not sure. He's probably going to get the face-to-face conversation with undead Christian which will be the game changer at some point.

[disneyspy]

Also, did ABC spoil that Ben may be killed off next week in their promo? Seriously, what the fuck.

i was pissed,i couldnt change the channel fast enough,i hate previews but they show it right as the show is ending,bastards!

[mikeyboy]

Not really a spoiler, but if you're avoiding, don't swipe.

Next week is a Ben episode.

How can that not be good?

[PD]

i was pissed,i couldnt change the channel fast enough,i hate previews but they show it right as the show is ending,bastards!
so you missed the preview about Jack and Kate's sideways baby looking like Sawyer?

[disneyspy]

so you missed the preview about Jack and Kate's sideways baby looking like Sawyer?

bastard! and i hate ispy

[mikeyboy]

I have to believe that the apparent revelation of the preview isn't quite what it seems.

[PD]

Not really a spoiler, but if you're avoiding, don't swipe.

Next week is a Ben episode.

How can that not be good?

sneak peak for next weeks episode.
don't play it if you dont wanna know.

http://www.youtube.com/v/MHfdFHwqyvo&hl

[mikeyboy]

Going back to this picture:

http://www.comicbookdaily.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/LastSupper_Lost-2.jpg

People have speculated that the picture indicates how people will line up against each other. To the left of Locke, clearly Sayid and Claire are on the side of Man in Black Locke. Also, Sawyer has expressed his leanings in that direction, and based on last night's episode, Kate may be along for the ride. It's interesting that the two people who seem least likely to turn against Jacob (Richard and Ilana) are also shown on that side.

[Furtherman]

Another great insight on last night's show from EW's Doc Jensen. (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20348187,00.html)

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/100302/lost-sundown-andrews_320.jpg

[paulisded]

Another great insight on last night's show from EW's Doc Jensen. (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20348187,00.html)

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/100302/lost-sundown-andrews_320.jpg

Nice Supersuckers reference in that piece.

[Aggie]

Another great insight on last night's show from EW's Doc Jensen. (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20348187,00.html)

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/100302/lost-sundown-andrews_320.jpg

i can't wait for his columns every week...i love his rants and overanalyzing. so great.

and his instant reaction to last night's episode was exactly how i felt, "i need a hug."

[Aggie]

fan made video contest for lost finale http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/03/03/lost-promo-contest/


this is for hammer and his love of this song:

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[CountryBob]

Haha - that was good!

[Dan 'Hampton]

"sundowning a sign of dementia", don't tell fez.

[King Imp]

If this show ends up being anymore god vs. devil it'll have been a waste of six seasons.

This is my issue right now and what I'm worried we are heading towards. Last season (or was it two ago) everything seemed to be all about Ben vs Widmore for control of the island. Now it's like they just completely dropped that storyline and moved on to something much bigger in scale. Sure, it may still come back to that, but right now it's showing no indication that it will.

Okay, since I readily admit I have a hard time following alternate reality storylines, I have a question. I get that the flash-sideways is supposed to be what happened if the bomb went off and was successful. There was no more island, thus no one ever went there past 1970 or whatever year that was. Here is where I get lost. We know the bomb went off and it worked. Juliet said so. Why then is the present on the island even occurring? There shouldn't even be an island there for this current reality to be happening.

[Aggie]

Michael Emerson before he was Ben.....still creepy.

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/03/04/clip-du-jour-lost-behind-bars/

[mikeyboy]

I've been thinking about this lately. The producers have gone out of their way to say that island present and the flash sideways world are not alternate realities. We assume that while the characters are on the island, the off-island reality is a reality where 815 crashed and the characters are missing and presumed dead. However, this might not be the case.

Let's say for the sake of argument that detonating the bomb worked exactly as it was supposed to, and the island either didn't exist or no longer had any pull on the Oceanic 815 folks. In that case, the flash sideways world would be reality. Perhaps it is in fact reality, and the crash never happened, and everyone is living their flash sideways lives. Perhaps everything worked as planned, but the island's (or Jacob's) pull on the people on the island is so strong that a part of them, be it a split of the consciousness or their soul, remained on the island. Possibly, the actions that these characters take on the island over the last 10 episodes will determine whether they are able to re-join themselves in the present off the island. What happens if they don't rejoin their off-island self? No idea.

[hammersavage]

this is for hammer and his love of this song:

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I might like that more than the show at this point.



Creators say they won't tie up loose ends (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/01/AR2010030103497.html?hpid=news-col-blog)

I figured, there's too much unexplained. But I'm not the kind of person who enjoys too much to be left to personal interpretation especially when all the show has introduced are things that can't be explained. And magic

[PD]

T. We know the bomb went off and it worked. Juliet said so. Why then is the present on the island even occurring? There shouldn't even be an island there for this current reality to be happening.
there is a theory going around that what happens on the island affects what happens in the "other" reality- like when Sayid gives in to the MIB, he changes his mind in the other reality and is willing to kill reamy

[disneyspy]

mikeyboy is right,the flashsideways is reality and the island is like a pre purgatory

[King Imp]

the island is like a pre purgatory

Since I'm one that definitely believes that the writers never had an end game in mind when they first started this show (sorry, but you cannot tell me that in 2004 they specifically knew this would end with Jacob and MIB), this would be a kick in the ass after they specifically said the island was not purgatory.

[Ocho Cinco]

"There's a lot of little questions that unfortunately we just don't have time to answer in the amount of time that we have left," co-creator Cuse told the uber-fans.

relax kids, everyone's panicking so bad about what questions they won't answer instead of just enjoying how crazy and awesome this last season has been. sayed's episode was ridiculous, probably because he's always been my favorite character on the show but still it was like watching a movie.

this season is ridiculously good just like every other season before it, if anyone can compare any show to LOST i'd love to hear it because nothing's even close

[TheGameHHH]

"There's a lot of little questions that unfortunately we just don't have time to answer in the amount of time that we have left," co-creator Cuse told the uber-fans.

relax kids, everyone's panicking so bad about what questions they won't answer instead of just enjoying how crazy and awesome this last season has been. sayed's episode was ridiculous, probably because he's always been my favorite character on the show but still it was like watching a movie.

this season is ridiculously good just like every other season before it, if anyone can compare any show to LOST i'd love to hear it because nothing's even close

compare it in terms of what? taste is subjective, so what do u mean?

[Doogie]

Well ABC is off Cablevision. Hopefully it will be back in time for this Tuesday's episode. They both suck a donkey dick. If not there is always ABC.com and Hulu.

[PD]

Well ABC is off Cablevision. Hopefully it will be back in time for this Tuesday's episode. They both suck a donkey dick. If not there is always ABC.com and Hulu.
If you didn't catch it, there is temp agreement; hopefully it will last at least until Wed morning. If not, Torrents here I come.

[Fallon]

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[Aggie]

HA! That was good, fallon. And I didn't mind the shirtless Josh Halloway either. I can't believe I used to watch that show.

[hammersavage]

this season is ridiculously good just like every other season before it, if anyone can compare any show to LOST i'd love to hear it because nothing's even close

Slow down. Please.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Not really a spoiler, but if you're avoiding, don't swipe.

Next week is a Ben episode.

How can that not be good?

if Ben dies that is not so good.

[Ocho Cinco]

compare it in terms of what? taste is subjective, so what do u mean?

it's like comparing other superhero movies to Dark Knight. i thought iron man was pretty good, x-men was done really well, i didn't even hate spider man 2. but dark knight kills those movies, it's out of their league. that's how i feel about Lost to other shows. obviously not comedies, but in terms of "having" to be home to see a certain show. or the amount i talk about theories and what's going on, etc...

what other show has a thread like this on the board? maybe jersey shore but again that's a comedy and it's more rumors then theories haha

"Slow down. Please."

i'll slow down hammersavage but i am talking about how LOST is the best show in the LOST thread, seemed an apt place to do so.

can ben possibly die 2nite? i'm saying no way because if he does they really blew it w/ the whole meeting the demise trailer, i'd be a little heated at that one. his story arc has really leveled out though, he needs a crazy episode 2nite

[hammersavage]

If you think Lost is better than The Wire, that is ridiculous

[mikeyboy]

if Ben dies that is not so good.

I kind of doubt it. If that's what happens, I think they would have at least tried to hide it.

[TheGameHHH]

If you think Lost is better than The Wire, that is ridiculous

yea thats what i was going to say. i mean, in terms of theory, Lost is better. The Wire didn't really have a ton of theory involved because things were so cut and dry. But in my opinion, The Wire is better than Lost, and its not a comedy.

[Furtherman]

yea thats what i was going to say. i mean, in terms of theory, Lost is better. The Wire didn't really have a ton of theory involved because things were so cut and dry. But in my opinion, The Wire is better than Lost, and its not a comedy.

They're two totally different shows. Realistic drama, vs. sci-fi drama.

[TheGameHHH]

They're two totally different shows. Realistic drama, vs. sci-fi drama.

he talked about non comedies and having to home to watch the show, i think The Wire falls into both those categories. sure they're different shows, but the criteria fit in what he was asking for.

[hammersavage]

They're two totally different shows. Realistic drama, vs. sci-fi drama.

One has some really below average actors and loads up on pseudo intellectual theories that lead no where

[Furtherman]

One has some really below average actors and loads up on pseudo intellectual theories that lead no where

No one is dissing The Wire (it's number one for me), but there is no need to be silly.

[hammersavage]

No one is dissing The Wire (it's number one for me), but there is no need to be silly.

call me silly and ill cut you. i was just addressing a ridiculous statement. i enjoy Lost

[IMSlacker]

One has some really below average actors and loads up on pseudo intellectual theories that lead no where

I've never seen the Wire and was planning to netflix it. This is really disappointing to hear. Guess I'll cross it off the list.

[disneyspy]

if you dont think locke is on the good side,you're stupid

[mikeyboy]

if you dont think locke is on the good side,you're stupid

I've been thinking about that. They definitely haven't been portaying the Man in Black/Smoke Monster as good prior to this season, but it's a little more open to interpretation now. If Locke is good, why did the smoke monster kill the pilot on the Oceanic flight?

[disneyspy]

I've been thinking about that. They definitely haven't been portaying the Man in Black/Smoke Monster as good prior to this season, but it's a little more open to interpretation now. If Locke is good, why did the smoke monster kill the pilot on the Oceanic flight?

because he had mind control powers,therefore bad

[mikeyboy]

You're just making things up now.

[disneyspy]

actually thats a good question,maybe because he wasnt lapedus?

[disneyspy]

ive been avoiding this thread becuase there might be spoilers but do any of you that go to those sites know if theres going to be a LOST movie to tie up all the loose ends?

[HBox]

HOLY SHIT IT'S THE EPA GUY FROM GHOSTBUSTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[disneyspy]

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[SHANEFROMGA]

he just wants to see the storage facilities.

[HBox]

Apparently this man does have a dick.

[disneyspy]

Apparently this man does have a dick.

hahahahaha!

[HBox]

Is there another guy who can play a douchebag better than dickless? I submit there is not.

Oh yeah, Widmore WTF?

[disneyspy]

Is there another guy who can play a douchebag better than dickless? I submit there is not.

Oh yeah, Widmore WTF?

guess when jacob said they're coming he meant widmore but who else? desmond too?

and since elena has daddy issues with jacob dying i'd set up a stipper pole on the beach and see what happens

[K.C.]

Loved the call back to this:

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Great episode...finally some validation for Team Jacob, and finally Ben does the right thing (in both timelines).

I'm all in on Team Jacob now.

I wonder if MIB killed all the Ajira people on the Hydra Island or if they're part of his team now.

I was reading the Oedipus plays by Sophocles on a plane the other day and the preamble had a great part about how the gods foretold Oedipus's fall, not because it was predetermined to happen, or they were making it happen, but because it was going to happen.


Really summed up a lot of the overall theme of this show. The people who have come to understand that concept seem to be aligning on the Jacob side...the broken souls at Camp Smokey seem to be more Oedipus, with the more they deny and attempt to prevent, the further they tumble down their downward spiral.

[dino_electropolis]

Wow siiick episode....reminded me why I fell in love with the show to begin within........



Although I thought in the last scene I saw whidmores sub sail the shark

[K.C.]

For those keeping score:

Team Jacob
-Jack
-Richard
-Ilana
-Ben
-Miles
-Sun
-Frank

Team MIB
-MIB/Locke
-Sawyer
-Sayid
-Claire
-Others from the Temple

Intentions unknown
-Kate
-Jin
-Charles Widmore
-Ajira Flight survivors

[hammersavage]

is this Twilight with all these teams?

[K.C.]

is this Twilight with all these teams?

There weren't teams when there were Fuselage Survivors, Tailies, Others, and Freighter people?

They just shuffled the deck this season.

[hammersavage]

just the phrase 'team ______' is a high school girl thing.

[PD]

Great episode...finally some validation for Team Jacob, and finally Ben does the right thing (in both timelines).

I'm of the belief that the 2 timelines are related; ie doing good in one means doing good in the other, or vice versa (as we saw last week with Sayid).

A number of nice things this episode.

Mention of Nicki & Paulo
Mention that Richard came to the island with the Black Rock ship and was "touched" by Jacob
Jack becoming a man of faith instead of man of science.

Notice also that the book that Linus picked up (in Sawyer's area) was "The Chosen"
(besides the booty mag)

[disneyspy]

is this Twilight with all these teams?

sorry, but TWILIGHT? how do you know so much about that movie? isnt it,you know,for the gays?

[hammersavage]

I like Team Aniston over Team Jack.

[K.C.]

just the phrase 'team ______' is a high school girl thing.

Would you prefer squad? alignment? affiliation? pact? covenant? triumvirate (if it's only three)?

[K.C.]

I'm of the belief that the 2 timelines are related; ie doing good in one means doing good in the other, or vice versa (as we saw last week with Sayid).

A number of nice things this episode.

Mention of Nicki & Paulo
Mention that Richard came to the island with the Black Rock ship and was "touched" by Jacob
Jack becoming a man of faith instead of man of science.

Notice also that the book that Linus picked up (in Sawyer's area) was "The Chosen"
(besides the booty mag)

I liked the exchange between Ben and Frank about how the island got Frank in the end anyway.

I think that's a nice clue to a larger part of the game between Jacob and MIB and the manipulation of all these different people.

The Jack/Richard scene also explains Michael's episode in Season 4 a little more in-depth (which means Michael was probably touched), and why Jack wasn't stopped from jumping off the bridge in the Season 3 finale by the car wreck.

[dino_electropolis]

Siiick episode. Reminded me of why I fell in love with the show.

Although I in the last scene I think I saw a shark getting sailed over by whidmores sub.....oh well :(

[disneyspy]

I liked the exchange between Ben and Frank about how the island got Frank in the end anyway.

i think the key there was when lapedis talked about the alarm going off,much like the alarm that went off in the hatch when 815 crashed and it ties in with what mikeyboy and i were talking about

[hammersavage]

Would you prefer squad? alignment? affiliation? pact? covenant? triumvirate (if it's only three)?

I like 'The Locke Squad' and 'The Jack Pack'. Thanks.

[K.C.]

One of the things to ponder, since the episode ended with Widmore, is that one of the last times we saw him, he told Locke that if he didn't return to the island, the 'wrong side was going to win.'

Well, Locke died but his body returned.

So how exactly should that statement be interpreted?

Locke's body is the key to MIB killing Jacob, but at the same time, Locke was a candidate and having the physical evidence of Locke's death in their sight has allowed Ilana's group to know that the MIB is traveling around as Locke (whereas without the dead body, it could be assumed Locke was still alive, so it blew his cover).

Also, Locke's body being on the plane is what allowed the Oceanic 6, including Jack who looks like he's headed towards being Jacob's successor, to return to the island.

So it's a very cryptic statement.

[Furtherman]

Great episode. Loved the Ben redemption. Although I'm not sure that Illena would forgive Ben so easily.

[mikeyboy]

So, Jacob touched Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, Jin and/or Sun, Sayid and Kate, just as he touched Richard. Does that mean none of them can ever die unless someone kills them?

[IamFogHat]

Wow siiick episode....reminded me why I fell in love with the show to begin within........



Although I thought in the last scene I saw whidmores sub sail the shark

Siiick episode. Reminded me of why I fell in love with the show.

Although I in the last scene I think I saw a shark getting sailed over by whidmores sub.....oh well :(

:drunk:

[dino_electropolis]

:drunk:



Haaaaa.... I posted these from my from my phone and the first one never came up as as posted hence the repost


Stupid phone.

[extracheese]

question: I didnt get why Ben would give in to the Principals threat to ruin Alexs future....once your blackmailing the principal to do one thing (retire and recommend Ben) you just toss in this also " and if you dont give alex a glowing recommendation ill release the emails".


i dont get it

[sailor]

question: I didnt get why Ben would give in to the Principals threat to ruin Alexs future....once your blackmailing the principal to do one thing (retire and recommend Ben) you just toss in this also " and if you dont give alex a glowing recommendation ill release the emails".


i dont get it

I kept yelling all that at my wife. Or, ok now you've given her the recommendation, but I still have these letters.

[K.C.]

So, Jacob touched Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, Jin and/or Sun, Sayid and Kate, just as he touched Richard. Does that mean none of them can ever die unless someone kills them?

I get the impression they can't kill themselves, and MIB can't kill them directly, hence the recruiting.

[PD]

the point (I think) about Ben was (in the sideways world) he didn't really want to be that "Machiavellian" guy - he had a temptation, but when the Alex letter came up, he wasn't going to risk it (this time)

We also learned (or rather confirmed) from Miles that Jacob did not want Ben to stab him (it wasn't like Star Wars Ben Kenobi) but rather just kept with the idea of Man's (Ben's) free will.

[Furtherman]

If this show ends up being anymore god vs. devil it'll have been a waste of six seasons.

Yup

where does magic come in?

It was never "god vs. devil", it was "good vs. evil", which was even established in the very first episode of the series.

And what is this "magic" influx, as compared to the "science" that I've also heard some complain, went away?

[hammersavage]

I kept yelling all that at my wife. Or, ok now you've given her the recommendation, but I still have these letters.

Exactly. It made no sense. You have the power in the blackmail, throw the letter recommendation in as part of it.

[K.C.]

the point (I think) about Ben was (in the sideways world) he didn't really want to be that "Machiavellian" guy - he had a temptation, but when the Alex letter came up, he wasn't going to risk it (this time)

We also learned (or rather confirmed) from Miles that Jacob did not want Ben to stab him (it wasn't like Star Wars Ben Kenobi) but rather just kept with the idea of Man's (Ben's) free will.

Exactly.

Although an interesting part of that is that we know Ben and Roger go to the island and work for DHARMA in the sideways, per Roger's scene.

We also know in the original timeline, Ben was taken to the temple and given the Sayid treatment (which we can be led to believe is partially responsible for his Machiavelli type personality) and was with The Others when Jughead went off.

So there's somewhat of a disparity there...it would seem to lend a little credibility to the idea that the flash sideways isn't a time split from the Jughead moment...that it could be something entirely different like the end result of whatever is happening on the island.

[King Imp]

if you dont think locke is on the good side,you're stupid

I've been thinking about that. They definitely haven't been portaying the Man in Black/Smoke Monster as good prior to this season, but it's a little more open to interpretation now. If Locke is good, why did the smoke monster kill the pilot on the Oceanic flight?

I was thinking this as well. What if all along it was MIB who was good and Jacob who was the evil one? So far who has MIB killed? The Oceanic pilot, Keamy's crew, Jacob's security team, the people in the temple that all worshipped Jacob, and Eko. All of those minus the pilot could be explained as being "bad guys", thus MIB had to get rid of them.

My only problem with this theory is how many had to die. I have a hard time believing that a truly "good" entity would kill like that.

[K.C.]

I was thinking this as well. What if all along it was MIB who was good and Jacob who was the evil one? So far who has MIB killed? The Oceanic pilot, Keamy's crew, Jacob's security team, the people in the temple that all worshipped Jacob, and Eko. All of those minus the pilot could be explained as being "bad guys", thus MIB had to get rid of them.

My only problem with this theory is how many had to die. I have a hard time believing that a truly "good" entity would kill like that.

I don't get how anyone can reasonably conclude MIB is the good entity in this, at this point.

Everyone he's recruited are broken, desperate people, he twisted Ben's entire life to get him to kill Jacob, he's admitted that all of these people so desperate to get off the island don't realize how "worthless and pathetic" (or something to that effect) their lives back in the world are (except for Locke, who he said was the only one to realize that).

MIB is about perpetuating the misery in human nature for its own gain. Suppose his plan plays out exactly as described....then what? What's gained for any of those people who he recruited at this point?

Even if MIB is pedaling the flash sideways as the end result of his plan (which I don't actually believe, but some do) look at Sayid...he gets what he wanted, another chance at Nadia and he reverts to the exact same person he was on the island, because he learned nothing.

[disneyspy]

My only problem with this theory is how many had to die. I have a hard time believing that a truly "good" entity would kill like that.

the jews used the arc of the covenant to kill their enemies, and weve been told that they werent evil

and kc,i really thought you were smart at one time,nice job fooling me

[fezident]

Exactly. It made no sense. You have the power in the blackmail, throw the letter recommendation in as part of it.

Or better yet, you're the principal now, Ben. Write your own damn letter of rec.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Or better yet, you're the principal now, Ben. Write your own damn letter of rec.



He didn't have the yale connection.

[disneyspy]

He didn't have the yale connection.

FACE!!!!!

[CruelCircus]

He didn't have the yale connection.

The idea that you need a letter of rec from a Yale grad to get in to Yale is just silly.

[disneyspy]

The idea that you need a letter of rec from a Yale grad to get in to Yale is just silly.

she could always do what eli did and blow the dean

[IamFogHat]

I kept yelling all that at my wife. Or, ok now you've given her the recommendation, but I still have these letters.

Stop yelling at your wife, it's just a tv show after all.

[TheGameHHH]

am i a bad person because I would have fucked over Alex and taken the principals job?

And seriously, how come nobody has brought up how smoking hot Alex looked in this episode. bitch cleans up nicely.

[disneyspy]

am i a bad person because I would have fucked over Alex and taken the principals job?

no you're a bad person for not wanting to fuck alex,but its ok cuz you just made the bends hope you're a 12 year old boy even more