Lost: The Final Season - Destiny Found

[IamFogHat]

i'm lost and sad at the same time

Why are you sad, there's another hour left?

[disneyspy]

Why are you sad, there's another hour left?

ya and i know charlie and juliette are on new shows now but its just sad

i hate when the airline loses my dead dad

[paulisded]

i'm sooooooooooooo confused.

[Don Stugots]

i'm sooooooooooooo confused.

those are the other, others

[Dan 'Hampton]

Ronnie is right! Sayeed is a killer and will be the one to save them from badLocke.

[Furtherman]

In the guitar case was a Ankh, an egyptian symbol for eternal life. Awesome. I have one on my shelf, a souvenir from a King Tut exhibit I once saw. There were dozens of them found in his tomb.

[TooLowBrow]

Ronnie is right! Sayeed is a killer and will be the one to save them from badLocke.

i think jacob will be able to inhabit sayids body

[disneyspy]

i dont understand why jacob didnt just turn into a smoke monster and kick ben's ass

[Don Stugots]

is this what they did to Ben?

[disneyspy]

is this what they did to Ben?

could be,and could be why ben was able to kill jacob and why sayid will be able to kill the man in black

[Dan 'Hampton]

Or not.

[hammersavage]

Ewww. Dudes kissing

[Don Stugots]

so, Sun is now free of Jin.

[disneyspy]

so, Sun is now free of Jin.

2004 sun might be but 2010 sun is still hitched,wheres my time machine...

[paulisded]

I <3 Claire...especially when she was a young punk rocker.

[Don Stugots]

why make such a big fuss about getting Sayid to the temple just to kill him off?

[Furtherman]

Frogurt!

[IamPixie]

I just popped in to say I'm extremely impressed with predictions on this board made last year. Also I hate Island Kate. Mainland kate is kick ass. Island Kate is a stupid cunt.

[disneyspy]

that 3 hours went way too fast

and hi pixie

[K.C.]

Couple notes I jotted down, mostly related to the flashes, though:

1) Alternate Timeline -- it definitely exists, it’s not a what-if or hypothetical. They establish that Juliet detonated the bomb, and that the people from 1977 arrive back in 2007, so detonating the hydrogen bomb split time (maybe).

2) Desmond on the plane -- Desmond arrived on the island three years before 815 went down. So there’s three years of Desmond’s life that are unaccounted for, but it was established that the island is underwater, presumably since the detonation, so seeing as Desmond’s life was being manipulated by Widmore and Eloise as early as 1996, so it’s quite possible that not only is the three years of Desmond’s life changed, but most of his life is different. It’s very possible Desmond never meets Penny in this timeline, as the Penny introduction could have been predicated by Desmond’s need to go to the island. It’ll be interesting to see where he came from, and what’s happened….this also means…

3) Juliet is not on the island -- seeing as she would never come to the island if the island is underwater. Another completely mysterious character history in the alternate timeline.

4) Shannon not on the plane -- Boone’s arc has changed a little bit…thinking back to the Shannon story, I can’t really think of an explanation for this as of yet. Could be significant, but most likely just an example of a ripple effect type variation of changing time.

5) Rose will die -- remember she had cancer. Without going to the island where she’s healed, she’s as good as dead.

[Furtherman]

What a setup! A week?! Yarg.

[K.C.]

Also, Miles obviously knew Sayid wasn't dead, from his little interaction with Hurley over the body.

[PD]

why make such a big fuss about getting Sayid to the temple just to kill him off?

Silly you.

[K.C.]

One other thought on Juliet's communication from the dead of "It worked"

I get the feeling that while the bomb split time, that the Jacob faction is ultimately going to have to be successful for the alternate timeline to supplant and erase the old timeline.

It's in limbo, hence the dual existences, because the Smoke Monster could still be victorious and undo that which was changed.

[Dan 'Hampton]

So what timeline does the island being underwater fit into? Is that the finality. The conclusion of what were seeing?

[IamPixie]

One other thought on Juliet's communication from the dead of "It worked"

I get the feeling that while the bomb split time, that the Jacob faction is ultimately going to have to be successful for the alternate timeline to supplant and erase the old timeline.

It's in limbo, hence the dual existences, because the Smoke Monster could still be victorious and undo that which was changed.

I'll just go with whatever you think

[mikeyboy]

Okay. This is nitpicky. I watched those comicon videos. (Yes, I know they aren't "canon") One of them was a commercial for Hurley's chicken place with Hurley talking about coming back from Australia and deciding to add outback chicken to the menu. Presumably the 815 flight was his flight back from Australia and the commercials started sometime after that. If that's the case, when Arnzt recognized him, why did he try to get Hurley to do the Australian accent from the commercials.

I don't know. Maybe Hurley was taking multiple trips to Australia

[Contra]

4) Shannon not on the plane -- Boone’s arc has changed a little bit…thinking back to the Shannon story, I can’t really think of an explanation for this as of yet. Could be significant, but most likely just an example of a ripple effect type variation of changing time.

Or the actor just didn't want to return

[K.C.]

So what timeline does the island being underwater fit into? Is that the finality. The conclusion of what were seeing?

Well, that's the question of the season. Although you saw two pieces related to it:

1) The Monster's comment on the pathetic existence of the lives of these people before they came to the island.

2) Jack offering to heal Locke at the end of the episode, despite the impossibility of him being healed.

Both seem to be earlier indicators that the end result might be the alternate timeline, but that the characters are subconsciously endowed with the lessons they ultimately learn (maybe why Jacob touched them physically during his interactions with them in the Season 5 finale??)

But it's way too early to tell on that.

[K.C.]

Or the actor just didn't want to return

Which is probably the case, which is why it'll probably just be explained as a ripple effect type change.

[TooLowBrow]

Also, Miles obviously knew Sayid wasn't dead, from his little interaction with Hurley over the body.

but hurley talks to and sees ghosts, at least once, jacob

[disneyspy]

what i learned today:

mikeyboy is a comicon geek

KC is captain obvious

this is goig to be a great season

[PD]

what i learned today:

mikeyboy is a comicon geek

KC is captain obvious

this is goig to be a great season
:thumbup:

so is anyone else now gonna be suckered into watching nightline and Jimmy Kimmel?

[mikeyboy]

:thumbup:

so is anyone else now gonna be suckered into watching nightline and Jimmy Kimmel?

got them both DVRed now.

[disneyspy]

:thumbup:

so is anyone else now gonna be suckered into watching nightline and Jimmy Kimmel?

this will be the first time i watch jimmy kimmel,ever

[K.C.]

but hurley talks to and sees ghosts, at least once, jacob

That's what I think the point was...Miles couldn't read anything from Sayid, which is why he was puzzled, because Sayid in fact wasn't dead.

[TooLowBrow]

That's what I think the point was...Miles couldn't read anything from Sayid, which is why he was puzzled, because Sayid in fact wasn't dead.

oh. i didnt think that miles talks to all dead people, just the ones who talk to him and once, when he tried, juliet

[paulisded]

Also, Miles obviously knew Sayid wasn't dead, from his little interaction with Hurley over the body.

Yeah, I caught that little exchange, too.

[SHANEFROMGA]

so the smoke monster is the "man in black", i kind of thought that after rewatching last years season finale. better than it being nanobots like some people were saying.

[IamPixie]

Or the actor just didn't want to return

like she has anything else lined up

[SHANEFROMGA]

so is jacob now in sayids body like the "man in black" is in lockes body?

[K.C.]

Actually, I just thought of something else...if the island was nuked and sank into the ocean, does that mean Widmore and Eloise are both dead in the alternate timeline, which means Penny and Daniel are never born in that timeline?

Furthermore, Richard is definitely dead in that timeline...maybe Ben as well (unless he is evacuated with DHARMA, although last we saw, he's in the Hostiles camp).

Or it's possible the island sinks years later, but still, the nuke should kill everyone left on it.

[TooLowBrow]

Yeah, I caught that little exchange, too.

i thought he was just surprised that there was someone else who talks with the dead

[K.C.]

so is jacob now in sayids body like the "man in black" is in lockes body?

I don't think so...presumably, Sayid is healed the same way Ben was as a kid, so, he should be himself.

Miles would have felt Sayid's dead thoughts, but apparently didn't, so I think he was alive in some capacity the entire time.

[TooLowBrow]

I don't think so...presumably, Sayid is healed the same way Ben was as a kid, so, he should be himself.

Miles would have felt Sayid's dead thoughts, but apparently didn't, so I think he was alive in some capacity the entire time.

i say hes in there.

or possible richard is in there

[drusilla]

i agree but boone looked alittle old,i hope they dont show walt with a mustache

Sommerhalder forgot how to act like Boone & was acting like Damon his vampire character on Vampire Diaries.

I was really bothered by them bringing Juliet back just to watch her die again. That depressed the shit out of me AGAIN! I almost teared up AGAIN.

[mikeyboy]

Sommerhalder forgot how to act like Boone & was acting like Damon his vampire character on Vampire Diaries.

I was really bothered by them bringing Juliet back just to watch her die again. That depressed the shit out of me AGAIN! I almost teared up AGAIN.

Yeah, I thought it sucked we had to watch Juliet "die" again.

[K.C.]

Yeah, I thought it sucked we had to watch Juliet "die" again.

Wasn't a fan of it either, but I guess they needed to use her to put the idea in circulation among the people on the island that the nuke plan may have worked.

[TooLowBrow]

Yeah, I thought it sucked we had to watch Juliet "die" again.

shes still presumably alive in the other timeline

[Dan 'Hampton]

Maybe it's on the bottom of the ocean because of global warming.
Loved how badLocke wants to get off he island presumably to destroy pitiful mankind, which inturn could be why the island has sank or world destroyed.

[mikeyboy]

shes still presumably alive in the other timeline

Yeah. She's taking down the V.

[K.C.]

Maybe it's on the bottom of the ocean because of global warming.
Loved how badLocke wants to get off he island presumably to destroy pitiful mankind, which inturn could be why the island has sank or world destroyed.

I thought by "going home" he meant the Temple or something within the Temple structure.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I like that idea. Can't wait for all the blogs and podcasts to be up tomorrow.

[mikeyboy]

I thought by "going home" he meant the Temple or something within the Temple structure.

Could be. It seems clear that the ash keeps him out and they certainly don't want him in there.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Also haven't we seen smoke at the temple before or at least at the wall coming out of that hole but I guess that was with the French scientists.

[Doctor Manhattan]

...which inturn could be why the island has sank or world destroyed.

But the plane landed at LAX and everything seemed okay, I think it's just the island that sank.

[K.C.]

But the plane landed at LAX and everything seemed okay, I think it's just the island that sank.

That's kind of why I'm thinking the alternate reality is contingent on them destroying/containing/vanquishing the monster, because it probably has the capability to erase, or course-correct, any changes...it's the actions of the Monster that changed time in the first place, through its manipulation of events to get to the point where it could have Jacob killed.

The Smoke Monster is most likely gone in the new reality.

[JDE]

like she has anything else lined up

That's exactly why Maggie Grace was not in the episode, she has been doing movies non stop, and has not had time to film the series yet. She still might be on later in the year if she can get to Hawaii to film.

[JDE]

I thought by "going home" he meant the Temple or something within the Temple structure.

Exactly, that's why they were freaking out in the temple grounds, putting all the ash on the ground and everything.

[mikeyboy]

When Jack thought he recognized Desmond on the plane, I initially thought it was traces of his island memory, but I think it was just his memory of meeting Desmond when Desmond was in training.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Isn't his home below the temple anyway

[JDE]

When Jack thought he recognized Desmond on the plane, I initially thought it was traces of his island memory, but I think it was just his memory of meeting Desmond when Desmond was in training.

I don't know about that, it seems like Jack had some kind of recall when he looked in the mirror in the bathroom and when we see his eyes after the plane stops shaking.

I also want to know what the deal was with the cut under his shirt?


It could be he remembers him from the running, it fits, but I think it could be something deeper.

[Don Stugots]

didnt he got shot in the neck at the end of last season?

[disneyspy]

didnt he got shot in the neck at the end of last season?

farraday was

[JDE]

I saw this one point on Sayid posted elsewhere, and it is spot on.


Sayid at the end is, in my opinion, definitely not Sayid. Last season Sayid was brought on the island by Ilana who we now know works for Jacob. I'm pretty sure that Jacob planned on his body being killed and him taking over Sayid's, which would explain his note.


I think this make a lot of sense as just as MIB had a plan to kill Jacob, it would make sense that he had a fall back plan if that were to happen.

One more thing the guy who plays the leader at the temple is a really good actor, he was good in a supporting role in the Last Samurai, but he was amazing in a film called The Twilight Samurai from 2002.



Jason

[TooLowBrow]

I saw this one point on Sayid posted elsewhere, and it is spot on.


Sayid at the end is, in my opinion, definitely not Sayid. Last season Sayid was brought on the island by Ilana who we now know works for Jacob. I'm pretty sure that Jacob planned on his body being killed and him taking over Sayid's, which would explain his note.


I think this make a lot of sense as just as MIB had a plan to kill Jacob, it would make sense that he had a fall back if that were to happen.

i agree with that

which means that the note says 'kill sayid'

later they seem to start going down the list... first hurley, then jack

'we need to speak with you alone'

[sailor]

i also think jacob is in sayid's body. i thought it was very clear they were making it look like that's the case. sayid was dead, i don't know if miles communicated wih him, but it's not an issue as he doesn't communicate with every dead person he walks by.

it might just be a silly thing, but did anyone else notice the dharma logo on the shark in the beginning (just like the one that attacked sawyer and michael on the raft)?

[K.C.]

When Jack thought he recognized Desmond on the plane, I initially thought it was traces of his island memory, but I think it was just his memory of meeting Desmond when Desmond was in training.

You have to remember though, that Desmond was training to beat Widmore in that boat race. With the island sunk in the alternate timeline, we don't even know if Widmore is alive, and if he's not, then it erases Penny completely.

[CountryBob]

I dont think that the island sank due to the nuke - we will find out a different reason later. The buildings and swingset were intact - not the way a violent bomb would sink an island.

[Tall_James]

it might just be a silly thing, but did anyone else notice the dharma logo on the shark in the beginning (just like the one that attacked sawyer and michael on the raft)?

I thought the same thing so I rewound the DVR and watched the shark in slo-mo and saw the Dharma logo as well. So Dharma did exist in that new timeline.

Also, did any other comic geeks besides myself think "Oh, they have a Lazarus Pit"?

[KingGeno]

Haha. I said Lazarus Pit to my chick also. She didn't know what I was talking about, but I knew.

The Dharma Logoed shark has been around since the early part of the series. It was in the episode Walt was kidnapped/float was destroyed.

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[Don Stugots]

it might just be a silly thing, but did anyone else notice the dharma logo on the shark in the beginning (just like the one that attacked sawyer and michael on the raft)?

i did.

I thought the same thing so I rewound the DVR and watched the shark in slo-mo and saw the Dharma logo as well. So Dharma did exist in that new timeline.

Also, did any other comic geeks besides myself think "Oh, they have a Lazarus Pit"?

i did.

[IMSlacker]

If the island sank and there was no hatch, where did Hurley get the numbers to win the lottery?

[paulisded]

Sommerhalder forgot how to act like Boone & was acting like Damon his vampire character on Vampire Diaries.

I was really bothered by them bringing Juliet back just to watch her die again. That depressed the shit out of me AGAIN! I almost teared up AGAIN.

I think I read that she'll be on a handful of episodes.

[johnniehardrock]

If the island sank and there was no hatch, where did Hurley get the numbers to win the lottery?

He said on the airplane that he was the luckiest man in the world so he just picked the numbers

[disneyspy]

I saw this one point on Sayid posted elsewhere, and it is spot on.


Sayid at the end is, in my opinion, definitely not Sayid. Last season Sayid was brought on the island by Ilana who we now know works for Jacob. I'm pretty sure that Jacob planned on his body being killed and him taking over Sayid's, which would explain his note.


I think this make a lot of sense as just as MIB had a plan to kill Jacob, it would make sense that he had a fall back plan if that were to happen.

One more thing the guy who plays the leader at the temple is a really good actor, he was good in a supporting role in the Last Samurai, but he was amazing in a film called The Twilight Samurai from 2002.



Jason

i agree and when ben was taken to the temple as a kid,richard said that ben would be different when they returned him

[CountryBob]

Logo's on sharks .... this makes me think of the Umbrella Corp in the Resident Evil series.

i am going to say that in the end we will find that everybody has been under some experiment in a controlled lab chamber pod (that has went array) and everybody will be alive and ok.

[sailor]

I think I read that she'll be on a handful of episodes.

hope she dies in all of them.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Okay. This is nitpicky. I watched those comicon videos. (Yes, I know they aren't "canon") One of them was a commercial for Hurley's chicken place with Hurley talking about coming back from Australia and deciding to add outback chicken to the menu. Presumably the 815 flight was his flight back from Australia and the commercials started sometime after that. If that's the case, when Arnzt recognized him, why did he try to get Hurley to do the Australian accent from the commercials.

I don't know. Maybe Hurley was taking multiple trips to Australia

I thought that since Hurley said he was the luckiest person in the world (total 180 from his thoughts in the old timeline) that he would have no reason to find Sam Toomey (The person who originally heard the numbers on a radio and passed them onto Leonard who Hurley heard repeating them in Santa Rosa) so probably had been to Australia before like you said. I am curious if he won the lottery with the same numbers and if so where did he hear them? Those numbers did exist before the Incident (They were on the plans for the swan and did get stamped onto the hatch before it was complete.

So Dharma did exist in that new timeline.

I would have to assume that the new timeline starts at the Incident blast so everything up to 1977, when they were digging to make the Swan, should be the same. Dharma's experiments with the sharks could have taken place before 1977.
Or the actor just didn't want to return

According to Lostpedia "Shannon is explained to not be on the plane by Boone. Originally, Shannon was set to make an appearance, but Maggie Grace was unable to film any scenes due to her busy schedule."

Aside from Taken (where she runs like a retard and her dad has soy sauce stained hair) I do not know about anything else she has been in since Lost. I guess she must have a bunch of movies coming out soon!

[paulisded]

According to Lostpedia "Shannon is explained to not be on the plane by Boone. Originally, Shannon was set to make an appearance, but Maggie Grace was unable to film any scenes due to her busy schedule."

Aside from Taken (where she runs like a retard and her dad has soy sauce stained hair) I do not know about anything else she has been in since Lost. I guess she must have a bunch of movies coming out soon!

According to imdb:

# Faster (2010) (pre-production)
# Knight and Day (2010) (post-production) .... April
# The Experiment (2010/I) (post-production)
# Flying Lessons (2010) (completed) .... Sophie Conway
# When Calls the Heart (2010) (TV) (completed) .... Elizabeth Thatcher

[Doctor Manhattan]

According to imdb:

# Faster (2010) (pre-production)
# Knight and Day (2010) (post-production) .... April
# The Experiment (2010/I) (post-production)
# Flying Lessons (2010) (completed) .... Sophie Conway
# When Calls the Heart (2010) (TV) (completed) .... Elizabeth Thatcher

I wonder if any of them were in production when "LA X" was being filmed (I guess those two listed as "Post-Production" may have been in production at the time.

Hope they are good films, because Lost is pretty huge this year.I would hate to be an actor have have to tell them "No" if they asked me to be in it.

[paulisded]

I wonder if any of them were in production when "LA X" was being filmed (I guess those two listed as "Post-Production" may have been in production at the time.

Hope they are good films, because Lost is pretty huge this year.I would hate to be an actor have have to tell them "No" if they asked me to be in it.

I would be that at the time she was offered contracts for those roles there wasn't any indication that they wanted her back to Lost.

[Aggie]

I enjoy Jensen's stuff and here he asks lindelof and cuse some questions...more to chew on:

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/02/lost-premiere-damon-carlton/

[disneyspy]

can someone point me to the hurley chicken shack commercial?

[paulisded]

A pretty nice interview with Damon and Carlton about last night's episode - http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/02/lost-premiere-damon-carlton/

I liked this explanation about the alternate timeline:

LINDELOF: Right out of the gate, in the first five minutes of the premiere, you get hit over the head with two things that you’re not expecting. The first is that Desmond is on the plane. The second thing that we do is we drop out of the plane and we go below the water and we see that the Island is submerged. What we’re trying to do there is basically say to you, “God bless the survivors of Oceanic 815, because they’re so self-centered, they thought the only effect [of detonating the bomb] was going to be that their plane never crashes.” But they don’t stop to think, “If we do this in 1977, what else is going to affected by this?” So that their entire lives can be changed radically. In fact, it would appear that they’ve sunken the Island. That’s our way of saying, “Keep your eyes peeled for the differences that you’re not expecting.” Some of these characters were still in Australia, but some weren’t. Shannon’s not there. Boone actually says that he tried to get her back. There are all sorts of other people that we don’t see. Where’s Libby? Where’s Ana Lucia? Where’s Eko? These are all the things that you’re supposed to be thinking about. When our characters posited the “What if?” scenario, they neglected to think about what the other effects of potentially changing time might be and we’re embracing those things.

[disneyspy]

dont know why i didnt google the hurley commercial earlier

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[Doctor Manhattan]

dont know why i didnt google the hurley commercial earlier

"Crickey, dude! That's a beaut of a barbie!" Love Hugo's Australian accent! And a 47 second commercial? I guess that in the Alternate time line, that fits in with the TV stations commercial breaks.

LINDELOF: ...What we’re trying to do there is basically say to you, “God bless the survivors of Oceanic 815, because they’re so self-centered, they thought the only effect [of detonating the bomb] was going to be that their plane never crashes.” But they don’t stop to think, “If we do this in 1977, what else is going to affected by this?”...I wonder why Faraday didn't think of that...Or did he!?!?

What is Faraday up to in the Alternate timeline? He spent his life studying the island, but now it's underwater so he's probably doing something else. Maybe he knew this would happen and since there is no island to study he is with Theresa Spencer (unless he ended up studying time travel anyway and she was hurt by his experiments)

[disneyspy]

"Crickey, dude! That's a beaut of a barbie!" Love Hugo's Australian accent! And a 47 second commercial? I guess that in the Alternate time line, that fits in with the TV stations commercial breaks.



i wonder if the numbers have anything to do with that
4,8,15,16,23&42

the price 4.42

8+16+23=47

[Aggie]

now i know how underdog feels!

I enjoy Jensen's stuff and here he asks lindelof and cuse some questions...more to chew on:

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/02/lo...damon-carlton/

A pretty nice interview with Damon and Carlton about last night's episode - http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/02/lost-premiere-damon-carlton/

I liked this explanation about the alternate timeline:

LINDELOF: Right out of the gate, in the first five minutes of the premiere, you get hit over the head with two things that you’re not expecting. The first is that Desmond is on the plane. The second thing that we do is we drop out of the plane and we go below the water and we see that the Island is submerged. What we’re trying to do there is basically say to you, “God bless the survivors of Oceanic 815, because they’re so self-centered, they thought the only effect [of detonating the bomb] was going to be that their plane never crashes.” But they don’t stop to think, “If we do this in 1977, what else is going to affected by this?” So that their entire lives can be changed radically. In fact, it would appear that they’ve sunken the Island. That’s our way of saying, “Keep your eyes peeled for the differences that you’re not expecting.” Some of these characters were still in Australia, but some weren’t. Shannon’s not there. Boone actually says that he tried to get her back. There are all sorts of other people that we don’t see. Where’s Libby? Where’s Ana Lucia? Where’s Eko? These are all the things that you’re supposed to be thinking about. When our characters posited the “What if?” scenario, they neglected to think about what the other effects of potentially changing time might be and we’re embracing those things.

[Doctor Manhattan]

This is a minor thing, was anyone else taken out of the show for a second when the credits for the show began with "An ABC STUDIOS PRODUCTION"?

For a spilt second I felt like I was watching a screener copy. This is apparently a new thing that all the ABC shows will have in their credits. I kinda wished that they waited until after Lost finished (or started this back in 2004) so it would be consistent. Not a big deal.

[disneyspy]

now i know how underdog feels!

if its any consolation i'm still reading the link you posted

[OGC]

Actually, I just thought of something else...if the island was nuked and sank into the ocean, does that mean Widmore and Eloise are both dead in the alternate timeline, which means Penny and Daniel are never born in that timeline?

Furthermore, Richard is definitely dead in that timeline...maybe Ben as well (unless he is evacuated with DHARMA, although last we saw, he's in the Hostiles camp).

Or it's possible the island sinks years later, but still, the nuke should kill everyone left on it.

How can you say that anyone is definitely dead ? If Miles, Kate, Jake, Sawyer, Sayid, Hurley, and Juliet weren't killed by the H bomb, why would anyone else ?

[paulisded]

now i know how underdog feels!

Ooops, sorry.

[K.C.]

How can you say that anyone is definitely dead ? If Miles, Kate, Jake, Sawyer, Sayid, Hurley, and Juliet weren't killed by the H bomb, why would anyone else ?

Bomb produces an alternate timeline and a time flash that sends the Losties back to their own time.

Everyone on the island in the alternate timeline is killed.

The Losties survived because they were transported back to their own time upon impact.

The counter-argument to my hypothesis, though, is that wouldn't Dharmaville have been laid to waste upon impact...when they should the island underwater, the DHARMA barracks looked pretty intact.

[K.C.]

Anyone remember the episode where Mr. Eko is sent to Australia to investigate a miracle of a girl who drown and came back life.

I think there's precedent for what happened to Sayid.

In fact, a lot of the Smoke Monster vs. Others story seems to be tied into the Eko episodes.

[sailor]

In the guitar case was a Ankh, an egyptian symbol for eternal life. Awesome. I have one on my shelf, a souvenir from a King Tut exhibit I once saw. There were dozens of them found in his tomb.

but you hate religion

[Curry]

Hello Folks,

New here at ronfez. When the bomb was detonated by Julia in the well,there was a flash of light (the H-Bomb) then they changed time.

Could that be what the other flashes where in last season that caused them to change time so often...the (h-bomb explosion) was stuck in a sort of repeat cycle until Lock hit the wheel?

My point is this....the (h-bomb) was already part of the islands destiny and until the island ends, everything else (including the h-bomb) is just progress.

Progress towards the end of the island.

And the end of time.

And the end of the internet.

And the end of (dare I say) RonFez.net? :glurps:

[PD]

I didn't see anyone mention it (although a few of you dvr'd Kimmel) he did ask questions which may or may not help explain some of the episode.

They pointed out that in the original flight Rose is nervous, and Jack calm; in the alternate version Rose is calm, Jack nervous; also Jack is drinking less.

Darlton seemed to not go with the idea that Sayid died and was "posessed"- they weren't defining about it- but I got the impression it is more along the ideas that he was healed.

They confirmed that Claire had conflict and "we hope to see her later" - meaning I guess she hasn't been in any episodes filmed so far.
“Michael and Walt were not on the plane.” That was “fate,” they said.

there were a few other little bits that I can't think of now, but the big "announcement" was that the final episode will air on Sunday May 23rd.

oh it seems that it is on EW's totally lost:
http://watching-tv.ew.com/2010/02/03/jimmy-kimmel-solves-lost/

[OGC]

How can you say that anyone is definitely dead ? If Miles, Kate, Jake, Sawyer, Sayid, Hurley, and Juliet weren't killed by the H bomb, why would anyone else ?

Bomb produces an alternate timeline and a time flash that sends the Losties back to their own time.

Everyone on the island in the alternate timeline is killed.

The Losties survived because they were transported back to their own time upon impact.

The counter-argument to my hypothesis, though, is that wouldn't Dharmaville have been laid to waste upon impact...when they should the island underwater, the DHARMA barracks looked pretty intact.


Wow, you got more out of the episodes than I did.

[Furtherman]

but you hate religion

They have nothing to do with that... I know religions, I just don't like what many of them have done to people.


As for the episode last night, go back and watch Dead Is Dead from last season and there is a lot of foreshadowing, especially with Locke.

I mentioned this in an earlier Lost thread, but now to add to it, I think Jacob and the Man in Black are the last survivors of an ancient, advanced race. The last survivors of an Island that sank beneath the sea whose ancestors settled in Egypt around 12 thousands years ago. The island may be Atlantis.

[Knowledged_one]

What happened to this show, it used to be good and the mysteries kept you coming back for more.

Now i just dont want to quit on the show because of all the years i have put in on the show but good lord, shouldnt they start answering some things rather then introducing more things they likely wont get to.

Locke is the smoke monster? I mean wtf.

I did like seeing whats his name (the name escapes me he was the one that was Lockes boy in the first season, shannons brother)

Plus no micheal or walt on the plane i thought was a bit funny

[sailor]

boone.

and you know it's not locke, right?

[Knowledged_one]

boone.

and you know it's not locke, right?

yeah i know, just that it took his form is just bleh to me

Just way to convenient

Time travel invariably screws up any show as you never know the consequences of actions, and that is why last season was such a cluster f**k

Bring back Mr Eko

[Contra]

Ok I have theory as to why the island is underwater, and things were mainly intact. We've seen in the past that the island has some defense mechanisms. So the bomb goes off, what's that fastest way to put out a big fire when you're surrounded by water?

This whole season seems like its going to carry the same theme that the entire series has had from the beginning, Fate. Like in this "new" timeline it seems that jack, John, Kate, Charlie, Hurley, Claire, Sawyer and Desmond are all fated to meet some way even without the plane crashing on the island. The biggest sign being they all still end up on the plane together even though their lives may be completely different in the new reality.
But then is it Fate? Take John and jack, they connect in the lost luggage office. Fate, or was the meeting orchestrated by someone? Jack's dad missing seems very ominous, it didn't seem like oceantic misplaced it, but that it was GONE, like he got up out of the coffin and walked away.
Jack saves Charlie's life, now they are connected. Coincidence, or did someone persuade Charlie to try to commit suicide on the place knowing Jack would save him? Claire in the Taxi with Kate. Wrong place wrong time, or did someone put her in that taxi knowing Kate would carjack it a little down the road? Who put Desmond on the plane so he would meet Jack?

Damn my head is already spinning.

[MagillaGorillaz]

Anyone have any ideas on the Asian dude at the temple? Something tells me he is related to Miles. And the whole Cindy the stewardess thing still perplexes me. What made her part of this new group of others.

[mikeyboy]

And the whole Cindy the stewardess thing still perplexes me. What made her part of this new group of others.

They kidnapped her and indoctrinated her.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I was just looking at ABC.com's Lost site's Flash Sideways page (http://abc.go.com/shows/lost/flash-sideways) and they mentioned this: 4. Island and complete statue underwater.
The island and the whole statue are seen underwater, but in "Pilot," the Others and the survivors live on the island, and in "Live Together, Die Alone," only the four-toed foot remains of statue.
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/6272/taweret.jpg
But when I re-watched the show it looked like just the foot was under water, I thought I could see where it was broken at the top of the frame (briefly) plus it's the left foot on the right side of the shot with some space on the left side where the right foot would be. The feet aren't that far apart:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/185/5x16fourtoedstatue.png
Is this just a mistake on ABC.com?

Anyone have any ideas on the Asian dude at the temple? Something tells me he is related to Miles...

They already did the "he's related to Miles" thing with Pierre Chang (AKA Marvin Candle/Edgar Halliwax/Mark Wickmund) I don't think they are going to repeat that again.

[Furtherman]

What happened to this show, it used to be good and the mysteries kept you coming back for more.

Now i just dont want to quit on the show because of all the years i have put in on the show but good lord, shouldnt they start answering some things rather then introducing more things they likely wont get to.

Locke is the smoke monster? I mean wtf.


Wow...first show of the season and you're already in a huff.

We won't get any answers (and probably not all) until the last couple of episodes. Might as well enjoy the ride.

Locke was set up as the smoke monster (Man In Black) last season. That wasn't new.


Ok I have theory as to why the island is underwater, and things were mainly intact. We've seen in the past that the island has some defense mechanisms. So the bomb goes off, what's that fastest way to put out a big fire when you're surrounded by water?

That's a pretty good guess!

[Doctor Manhattan]

Ok I have theory as to why the island is underwater, and things were mainly intact. We've seen in the past that the island has some defense mechanisms. So the bomb goes off, what's that fastest way to put out a big fire when you're surrounded by water?

But since it is still under water 27 years later, it seems like a doctor curing a fatal disease by shooting the patient in the head. You fixed the problem but created a new one that just as bad. Unless Jacob is the Dharma shark.
Now i just dont want to quit on the show because of all the years i have put in on the show but good lord, shouldnt they start answering some things rather then introducing more things they likely wont get to.I do not think I would like a full season of reveals with nothing new. They have been answering a lot of questions since Season 4 started, but many of those answers do bring up new questions. LA X answered/confirmed a lot in the "prime reality" portions of the show. Sure, the Alternate reality is all new (familiar but different, you can't assume to know anything based on the first 5 seasons of Lost) that is where the fun in the show lies.

[Aggie]

that's why this show is so great, look at all the conjecture after 2 hours! what other show does this.

Unless Jacob is the Dharma shark.


:laugh:

[Servo]

Locke is the smoke monster? I mean wtf.


That's not Locke!

[Willmore]

i wonder if the numbers have anything to do with that
4,8,15,16,23&42

the price 4.42

8+16+23=47

The numbers are tied to the people.

4 = Locke
8 = Hurley
15 = Sawyer
16 = Sayid
23 = Jack
42 = Kwon (Sun or Jin)

[disneyspy]

The numbers are tied to the people.

4 = Locke
8 = Hurley
15 = Sawyer
16 = Sayid
23 = Jack
42 = Kwon (Sun or Jin)



are you saying they die in this order?
please expain because i dont see the tie in

[Doctor Manhattan]

I have re-watched LA X a few times now and it just hit me how much I love this show. What am I going to do once it finishes in May?

[sailor]

I have re-watched LA X a few times now and it just hit me how much I love this show. What am I going to do once it finishes in May?


Buy the box?

[Doctor Manhattan]

Do you guys think the lost luggage thing is significant (aside from Christian's body being missing) as a result of "the reset"? The coffin is missing as is Locke's Box-O-Knives. I bet we find other people are missing things as well that came up on the show, the Marshall's Halliburton case (with guns, ammo and Kate's toy plane) for example, things that were important on the show.Buy the box?Then what? I already have Seasons 1-5 on DVD or Blu-Ray, I don't think I will by a giant set unless it have something REALLY cool in it that I can't get with the separate sets. I got the regular version of Season 5, not the Dharma box, so the full series box would need to be extra special for me to get it.

[Aggie]

OK a friend just posted this Just notices Sayid's passport is from IRAN!! Iran mustve won the war in the 80's!!! Jack changed more than just their lives...he changed HISTORY!!!

[Furtherman]

I don't recall seeing Sayid's passport, but that's a nice touch.

I also read that Desmond was possibly wearing a wedding ring.


Here is a stretch: It was never really explained why there were polar bears on the island, was there? Why didn't they just have regular bears? Maybe there was another portal somewhere in the Arctic, allowing easy access to bring in polar bears.

Maybe, the nuclear explosion didn't happen on the island, (it looked too intact underwater) but happened somewhere in the Arctic, therefore melting a lot of ice and raising the sea levels - and thereby submerging the island!




Ok, that's a big stretch.

[Aggie]

I don't recall seeing Sayid's passport, but that's a nice touch.

I also read that Desmond was possibly wearing a wedding ring.


Here is a stretch: It was never really explained why there were polar bears on the island, was there? Why didn't they just have regular bears? Maybe there was another portal somewhere in the Arctic, allowing easy access to bring in polar bears.

Maybe, the nuclear explosion didn't happen on the island, (it looked too intact underwater) but happened somewhere in the Arctic, therefore melting a lot of ice and raising the sea levels - and thereby submerging the island!




Ok, that's a big stretch.


ok, day after tomorrow!

he followed that comment with: YES! On his customs declaration form, he handwrites as his country of citizenship what I THINK is Iraq (illegible) BUT his passport PLAINLY states The Islamic Republic of IRAN. He was born in 1972, so he considers himself iraqi, even tho iraq's been occupied by iran since the 80's???!!!

if u wanna see for yourself, right after desmond disappears, sayid looks at his passport.

[Furtherman]

When they brought Sayid out of the pool in the Temple, he was stretched out, very christ-like. I thought maybe - at the end of the season, he goes back in time (he'll end up in the middle east after all) and becomes.... Jesus!






STRETCH!!!!

[Doctor Manhattan]

When they brought Sayid out of the pool in the Temple, he was stretched out, very christ-like. I thought maybe - at the end of the season, he goes back in time (he'll end up in the middle east after all) and becomes.... Jesus!

Jesus was a torturer?

[Furtherman]

Jesus was a torturer?

Have you ever listened to his sermons in church? OY VEY!

[Aggie]

Iraq is written...Iran on passport.

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs194.snc3/20159_284999973378_739563378_3450317_5684580_n.jpg

[Contra]

Do you guys think the lost luggage thing is significant (aside from Christian's body being missing) as a result of "the reset"? The coffin is missing as is Locke's Box-O-Knives. I bet we find other people are missing things as well that came up on the show, the Marshall's Halliburton case (with guns, ammo and Kate's toy plane) for example, things that were important on the show.

I do think it means something as far as bringing jack and John together. Because of the missing things they meet and jack give John his card and something is born there.

[K.C.]

Anyone have any ideas on the Asian dude at the temple? Something tells me he is related to Miles. And the whole Cindy the stewardess thing still perplexes me. What made her part of this new group of others.

I don't see him as being really anymore important than Tom and Mikhail were in Season 3. I think he's just an Other with some rank who leads in Richard's absence.

I imagine a lot of those people are going to be among Smokey's first kills when he comes looking for the Temple.

[K.C.]

I was thinking about this today, as I occasionally do, and I think one of the major questions we need to ask over and over again through this season is "Was Oceanic 815 suppose to crash?"

And much of the show would seem to indicate, Yes, based on the numerous references to fate and destiny.

But then, I constantly find myself going back to Desmond and his ability to kind of manipulate fate (i.e. saving Charlie from death numerous time), and when you realize that Desmond is the reason 815 crashes, but not pushing the hatch button, it calls it into doubt.

But you also have to consider this....the Smoke Monster's plan to kill Jacob cannot be carried out without the 815 crash.

So I think that's two fairly compelling pieces of evidence that 815 was probably never suppose to, in 'fate' terms, crash on the island.

That everything we've seen up until this point has been for all intents and purpose, the "alternate timeline" and that we're finally seeing what was suppose to happen to these characters through these new flashes.

Ultimately, this doesn't mean much in terms of how the show will turn out...but it's interesting context in which to view this season.

[K.C.]

By the way, a neat little difference in the premier....in the Pilot episode, Cindy gives Jack two bottles of alcohol...Jack puts one in his pocket which he later uses to sanitize his wound when Kate stitches him up after the crash.

She gives him just one bottle in the premiere last week.

I expect a ton of little 'bleed through' moments between timelines.

[Servo]

By the way, a neat little difference in the premier....in the Pilot episode, Cindy gives Jack two bottles of alcohol...Jack puts one in his pocket which he later uses to sanitize his wound when Kate stitches him up after the crash.

She gives him just one bottle in the premiere last week.

I expect a ton of little 'bleed through' moments between timelines.

Wow, great pickup... one that my chick noticed, was that Rose wasn't wearing Bernard's wedding ring on the chain around her neck like she was in the pilot.

[JDE]

I was thinking about this today, as I occasionally do, and I think one of the major questions we need to ask over and over again through this season is "Was Oceanic 815 suppose to crash?"

And much of the show would seem to indicate, Yes, based on the numerous references to fate and destiny.

But then, I constantly find myself going back to Desmond and his ability to kind of manipulate fate (i.e. saving Charlie from death numerous time), and when you realize that Desmond is the reason 815 crashes, but not pushing the hatch button, it calls it into doubt.

But you also have to consider this....the Smoke Monster's plan to kill Jacob cannot be carried out without the 815 crash.

So I think that's two fairly compelling pieces of evidence that 815 was probably never suppose to, in 'fate' terms, crash on the island.

That everything we've seen up until this point has been for all intents and purpose, the "alternate timeline" and that we're finally seeing what was suppose to happen to these characters through these new flashes.

Ultimately, this doesn't mean much in terms of how the show will turn out...but it's interesting context in which to view this season.



What you say is interesting, however all of these people were supposed to be on the island, that's why Jacob visited them years before the crash, so this was all in a greater plan to what end we not yet know.

[K.C.]

What you say is interesting, however all of these people were supposed to be on the island, that's why Jacob visited them years before the crash, so this was all in a greater plan to what end we not yet know.

And that's the big flaw with that potential reading on it...

It's tough to explain the Jacob visitations under that scenario, unless, both he and the monster aren't bound by time, at which point, those visitations could have been put into the timeline after knowledge that they were going to end up crashing.

We do know Jacob doesn't age, but neither does Richard, and there's never been evidence that Richard has jumped through time, so it's hard to say Jacob would without more evidence.

[Furtherman]

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[Furtherman]

http://fusedfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/1246554501058.jpg

[Servo]

Wow, two nerd-worlds collide!

[IamFogHat]

http://fusedfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/1246554501058.jpg

That's fucking awesome.

[disneyspy]

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did anyone see the 24 style LOST that some fan put together? awesome

[Willmore]

are you saying they die in this order?
please expain because i dont see the tie in



It's a spoiler. No idea how it ties in, but that's something that was reported on one of those spoiler web-sites. Maybe that's what was written on the piece of paper that Hurley gave to the chinese pirate.

[OGC]

It's a spoiler. No idea how it ties in, but that's something that was reported on one of those spoiler web-sites. Maybe that's what was written on the piece of paper that Hurley gave to the chinese pirate.


but sawyer and locke weren't with them when the asian guy read the note.

[mikeyboy]

but sawyer and locke weren't with them when the asian guy read the note.

Well, no one said that all of the people on the list were there. Kate was there, though, and she wasn't on the list.

[mikeyboy]

For anyone who doesn't already know, the new podcast with Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof is up. (http://abc.go.com/shows/lost/podcasts)

[Pestz4Evah]

This is pretty funny.

http://supersonicelectronic.com/post/370624132/lost-explained-by-people-who-have-never-watched

[TooLowBrow]

someone just said to me: do you think that locke is now in sayids body? I was going to make fun of him--- but...:unsure:

[PD]

For anyone who doesn't already know, the new podcast with Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof is up. (http://abc.go.com/shows/lost/podcasts)
:clap:

[OGC]

If LOST was a Quentin Tarentino production

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[Aggie]

This is pretty funny.

http://supersonicelectronic.com/post/370624132/lost-explained-by-people-who-have-never-watched

the first time they show ben, "that guy is creepy. he looks like a pedophile."

:lol:

[instrument]

So did anyone notice that they showed everyone but desmond leaving the plane? And that his dissappearance coincides with the same time the plane originally crashed? (When charlie was in the bathroom)

[instrument]

And someone said the luggage was missing but the marshalls halliburton is clearly cuffed to his hand when hes laying on the floor in the bathroom.

[Willmore]

Well, no one said that all of the people on the list were there. Kate was there, though, and she wasn't on the list.

So, maybe she's expendable. But then, Sayid is dead, and supposedly someone else is in his body. Who knows, at this point, I try not to make theories and just wait for the finale, it's the final season, whatever happens, happens. I just hope they actually answer most of the questions. If not in the show, then at least from their mouth and defend their claim that there was always a plan and it should all fit together.

[hammersavage]

so, I'm sure this has been asked but I don't feel like going back to read everything.

So in this alternate reality that exists because of the bomb exploding, the only things that are different are that Shannon isn't on the plane but Desmond is?

[Furtherman]

so, I'm sure this has been asked but I don't feel like going back to read everything.

So in this alternate reality that exists because of the bomb exploding, the only things that are different are that Shannon isn't on the plane but Desmond is?

We don't see Michael & Walt, nor any other of the "tallies".

[hammersavage]

We don't see Michael & Walt, nor any other of the "tallies".

cuz their tall?

and we don't see them, doesn't mean they aren't there.

[Furtherman]

cuz their tall?

and we don't see them, doesn't mean they aren't there.

No shit, you're the one that asked, Stay Puft.

[hammersavage]

their tailies. not tallies. dummy

[Furtherman]

You're a tallie.

[Willmore]

so, I'm sure this has been asked but I don't feel like going back to read everything.

So in this alternate reality that exists because of the bomb exploding, the only things that are different are that Shannon isn't on the plane but Desmond is?

Plus Jack is now nervous, as opposed to him being calm in the Pilot, he orders a different amount of alcohol, and some other stuff I don't remember now. Not to mention ... you know ... the plane not exploding.

[PD]

yeah a bunch of diff stuff.

[instrument]

I was kinda surprised they didnt show lapedis flying the plane just to further f with us

[Doctor Manhattan]

I was kinda surprised they didnt show lapedis flying the plane just to further f with us

I have a feeling Lapedis is going to show up in a flashsideways.

Darlton said that we should not think of the 2004 timeline as an alternate timeline, which implies that it is not real. They said that both timelines will converge before the show is over. That will be interesting to see how this will happen since the timelines seem to contradict each other.

[Aggie]

i now love tuesdays! bring on the new episode!

found this on ew.com's "totally lost"

INVOCATION FOR THE NEW SEASON OF LOST
A poem, by reader Tom Holland

May Lost be all you hoped for with answers swift and sound;
May the hours ripen quickly and joyfulness abound.
May Juliet not have died in vain with the pounding of her rock
Let Sawyer live free of pain and survive the coming shock.
May Jack and Kate deal with the things that frustrate us so much
And Sun and Jin share a time that allows them love's fine touch.
Provide us with more moments that shine on Daniel's mind
Oftentimes these are the clues the viewers need to find.
May Hurley break the ''curse'' that follows him around,
Let his spirit salve the cuts our Losties may have found.
Give Sayid a solid peace he so desperately desires
Shield him from the evil plans that Ben tried to inspire.
Let us know where Claire has gone and how she stayed alive
And lead her back to Aaron's life so motherhood survives.
Help us to remember Charlie's sacrifice
Let it have more meaning than simply tumbling dice.
Give us a bright future for Desmond and his Penn
If a reboot is in store, let them find their way again.
Protect our dearest friends, the lovely Bernard and Rose,
Explain the young Walt's powers before the end of shows.
Know we have a special place for Vincent in our hearts
Keep in mind our knees are weak from all the stops and starts.
Tie up the big loose ends like what happened to John Locke
Let us know what happens to the shepherd's misled flock.
Inform us on the feud that has stained the beach's soil,
Is Jacob the white light or just the loophole's foil?
Does the Man-in-Black represent all that is so evil
Or does he just protect the island from upheaval?
But all these questions pale to one from our Lost designers
Are the eyes of Richard A. really natural or guy-liner?

[PhishHead]

this was posted to a message board I frequent and it seems like the best theory out there and some people "in the know" have said it is very interesting and will have to wait and see. I will hide with spoiler text

I am building on *several theories* of others but I have something I would like to add to the discussion.

It has been argued by others that:

*Every season of lost has started by showing us how the flashes of each season end. Season 1 flashbacks show how they end up on the beach, Season 2 flashbacks show how Desmond ends up in the hatch, Season 3 flashbacks show who the others are, Season 4 flashforwards show how Jack concludes "We have to go back", the Season 5 time flashes show how Daniel was at the Swan construction site and met Dr. Chang.

*Season 6 will be the same. The first thing we saw was how the season ends. This time there is a new story telling device. Now we are seeing flashforwards of flashbacks. The off island LA X stuff IS NOT an alternate reality created by Jughead. We are seeing the reset timeline that has not been created yet.

*Jack looks older in the season 6 premiere. That's because he is.

*In the same way that Charlotte mumbled about chocolate when she was dying, Juliet talked about coffee and going dutch. Her mind is flashing to another period of time... I think in the off island scenes, we are going to see a lot of character resolutions. Juliet will meet Sawyer, they will flirt with each other, and she will ask him if he would like to go get a cup of coffee, for instance.

Basically the idea is that the off island alternate we are seeing right now is going to be the result of what happens on the island this season... not the result of Juliet hitting Jughead.

What I want to add to this theory is this: I think I know how Jack will reset everything AND how the island ends up at the bottom of the ocean.

We know this is the final season and the writers have promised us that all of the major questions that are important to the characters will be answered. One major question that is of obvious importance to the Losties is how the island can move through both time and space.

I predict that at some point in this season, probably somewhere around episode 12-14, Jack will learn what the island is and how it can be moved and the nature of time travel. In the mean time, I predict many of the characters on Lost will die. In fact, I would not be surprised if by the end Jack is the only one still living.

I predict that Jack, the man obsessed with fixing everything all the time, will come to the conclusion that blowing up the swan's pocket of energy was not sufficient to change everything. I predict the major battle we are all predicting for season 6 between "Good" and "Evil" will involve Jack deciding that the island itself has to be destroyed.

Jack is going to move the island. This time he will move it to a place where it can't possibly cause 815 to crash. He will move it to the bottom of the ocean (space) and at some point around 1970 (time).

This explains why the island was at the bottom of the ocean, yet everything seemed to be basically normal there. It didn't look like a nuke had exploded. It didn't look like a volcano had erupted. It simply looks like it ended up there.

I predict it was placed there around 1970 because I think Ben will be seen off island, which means he never made it to the island in 1973. Yet the New Otherton was seen, so it was moved to a period in time after The Dharma Initiative arrived.

Because Jack moves the island to the ocean floor at this point in time, all of the people Jack cares for will be saved, including Juliet since she will never go to the island. Heck, he might even realize he can save Ben by ensuring he never goes there and is never shot by Sayid. Heck, Ben might even be a decent guy when we meet him off island.

The show is going to end with Jack, who's neck was scratched up in the final battle, on Flight 815 headed to LAX. At this point, I think Jack remembers everything that happened. That is why he was frightened this time at the turbulance, That is why he was looking at everyone so curiously and why he looked confused when we first saw him. I think he asked Desmond if he knew him simply to try to gauge whether or not he was the only one who remembers what happened.

This is also why Jack told Locke, "Nothing is irreversible."

The off island flashes we see this season will turn out to be the true ending of Lost. Everything else was just progress.

[IamFogHat]

It's Tuesday!
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j110/IamFogHat/lockenessmonsterlarge.jpg

[instrument]

I don't like the fact that ras al ghul from batman begins has shown up on the island, and i still dont like the shadow of the statue people.

They couldve at least made sayid give them a purple flower.

[pussyhound]

this is hurley's bands website. www.myspace.com/drunkdancrawford

[hammersavage]

yeah a bunch of diff stuff.

In the scope of a completely different timeline, you call that a lot of stuff?

[K.C.]

Plus Jack is now nervous, as opposed to him being calm in the Pilot, he orders a different amount of alcohol, and some other stuff I don't remember now. Not to mention ... you know ... the plane not exploding.

Of the things that I would imagine are different or could be different:

1) Hurley's going from cursed to the "luckiest man in the world" because he will have won the lottery with different numbers this time (seeing as the island was underwater, the crazy guy in the mental institution never would have heard them, thus never giving them to Hurley)

2) Aaron will be given up for adoption of raised by Claire (unless Kate kills her in the getaway, as we last saw Claire in the hijacked Taxi last week).

3) Michael may never raise Walt....the implications of Walt being special and his mom dying of a phantom rare blood disease always seemed to have some tie to the island written on it...perhaps neither occur. Could also explain why he wasn't shown on the plane...perhaps he never goes to Australia (it's also an easy way to give Michael a cameo without bringing back 8'5 Walt and pretending he's 11).

4) Jack may or may not still be with that Sarah chick...there were some implications that his character traits are substantially different in demeanor...his inability to let go ruined his marriage.

5) Locke's paralysis may never be caused by Anthony Cooper...it's implicated in The Man From Tallahassee that Anthony Cooper was tied in some how, because he's known to both Richard and Ben in that episode, but the damning piece of evidence is from the Season 5 finale, which basically shows that Locke is dead on the ground until Jacob breathes life back into him by touching him. Jacob would not visit them in this timeline, which means Locke would be dead. This could also mean...

6) Anthony Cooper never kills Sawyer's parents, thus making him a substantially different character.

7) Juliet obviously never goes to the island, nor does Desmond...both have entirely different back stories in the new timeline.

8) Ben and Richard's fates are unknown.


Just a few of the potential differences.

[K.C.]

And then just to touch on a theme from last week...the Smoke Monster wants to "go home"...perhaps the ocean floor has something to do with that and that the alternate timeline is actually an account of the Monster's success in its mission.

[TooLowBrow]

Of the things that I would imagine are different or could be different:



7) Juliet obviously never goes to the island, nor does Desmond...both have entirely different back stories in the new timeline.




juliets sister should be dead maybe with juliet raising her kid

[paulisded]

And then just to touch on a theme from last week...the Smoke Monster wants to "go home"...perhaps the ocean floor has something to do with that and that the alternate timeline is actually an account of the Monster's success in its mission.

Entertainment Weekly talked about the possibility of the Smoke Monster's desire to leave the island, and that this may be the action that leads us to the finale.

[TooLowBrow]

Entertainment Weekly talked about the possibility of the Smoke Monster's desire to leave the island, and that this may be the action that leads us to the finale.

i think it showed a lot in last weeks episode that the monster cant cross the ash circle yet it can figure out how to knock someone or something out of the circle without crossing it itself

[paulisded]

i think it showed a lot in last weeks episode that the monster cant cross the ash circle yet it can figure out how to knock someone or something out of the circle without crossing it itself

Here's the exact quote:

Fake Locke said, "I want to go home." So...where's home?

the Smoky Mountains, perhaps? Nah - too easy. While the producers won't reveal a location, Cuse does offer up the warning: "He wants to leave the Island. If you start thinking about the ramifications of what happens if the Smoke Monster can leave the Island...it's maybe not a good thing."

[K.C.]

Here's the exact quote:

Fake Locke said, "I want to go home." So...where's home?

the Smoky Mountains, perhaps? Nah - too easy. While the producers won't reveal a location, Cuse does offer up the warning: "He wants to leave the Island. If you start thinking about the ramifications of what happens if the Smoke Monster can leave the Island...it's maybe not a good thing."

Hasn't it be suggested that it can leave, though?

During the whole Oceanic 6 story, Jack sees a vision of Christian off-island, and things like the bus that hits Juliet's ex-husband and kills him, and the car that hits Locke's mother sending her into early labor...the latter two may be some fate-linked coincidence, but Jack seeing Christian would have to be the Smoke Monster, unless we're suppose to believe it was drug induced.

[Furtherman]

Leaving the island and going home might not be the same thing.

[IamFogHat]

10 minutes.

[IamFogHat]

They got the cell phone right in the flash sideways.

[IamFogHat]

Here we go!!!

[TheGameHHH]

Did I just see Mac again?

[IamFogHat]

Whaaaat. Why is the guy from Sunny in Phillidelphia who was an other at the other island in season three at the temple now? Or did he just not die I guess?

[IamFogHat]

What, no nipple clamps?

[IamFogHat]

Clearly an influence.
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[TheGameHHH]

Whaaaat. Why is the guy from Sunny in Phillidelphia who was an other at the other island in season three at the temple now? Or did he just not die I guess?

seriously. at least have the curtousy to throw in Charlie, Dennis and Sweet Dee as well

[K.C.]

I think Mac was actually suppose to have a slightly bigger role than the cameo he had, but It's Always Sunny hit big right around that time.

[TheGameHHH]

So, when the detonate the hydrogen bomb they go from 1977 to 3 years into the future from their present on the island? What about the people on the beach like Sun and Lepides? Obviously the Temple people know about the plane, so was the plane always in the 3 years future present and just Jack, Kate, Hurley & Sayid go back to 1977?

[TooLowBrow]

So, when the detonate the hydrogen bomb they go from 1977 to 3 years into the future from their present on the island? What about the people on the beach like Sun and Lepides? Obviously the Temple people know about the plane, so was the plane always in the 3 years future present and just Jack, Kate, Hurley & Sayid go back to 1977?

the plane was always in their future.

ben was having the others build the runway just after 815 crashed

obviously he, or someone, knew that 316 would need it sometime in the future

[TheGameHHH]

the plane was always in their future.

ben was having the others build the runway just after 815 crashed

obviously he, or someone, knew that 316 would need it sometime in the future

right ok, forgot about the building of the runway in season 3. so then when the bomb went off everybody that wasn't in the present got sent forward to it, such as Sawyer and Jin and Miles?

[Furtherman]

Everyone on the island is in the same time period now, present.

[IamFogHat]

Holy fuckaroonie.

[TheGameHHH]

Everyone on the island is in the same time period now, present.

perfect, thanks.

Ha, Ethan saying I dont want to stick you with needles if I dont have to. Love it.

[IamFogHat]

What is wrong with this whore? The Juliet's body is still warm. Let the man grieve for christ's sake.

[Furtherman]

Jacob might be in Sayid, and the poison is meant to draw him out?

[TooLowBrow]

Jacob might be in Sayid, and the poison is meant to draw him out?

i think theyre trying to test his immortality

[paulisded]

Claire is so hot.

Edit: Now she's a badass, too!

[IamFogHat]

Say whaaaat.

[Furtherman]

A bear trap! Hahahaha!

[Dan G]

So I guess Jack's dad was "claimed" much like how Sayid and Claire have been.

[JDE]

So I guess Jack's dad was "claimed" much like how Sayid and Claire have been.

No I don't think he has ever been anything but a spirit, unlike Locke and Claire who have new souls in their bodies.



They are setting up a possibility of where the MIB and his reunited soul bodies along with a few of the 815 crew if they convince them they are good, going to war with the other others.

Now the question is, who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.


So we know Ethan was never on the Island now, so it sets up a bunch of others people being in future side ways parts of episodes.




Jason

[Willmore]

Every Lost episode should end with:

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[Furtherman]

So I guess Jack's dad was "claimed" much like how Sayid and Claire have been.

Good point.

No I don't think he has ever been anything but a spirit, unlike Locke and Claire who have new souls in their bodies.


I think Dan G. has a point, being that Christians body was never found on the island (the coffin was empty), so his body was most likely "claimed" as well.... I'm guessing by Jacob.

[Aggie]

Every Lost episode should end with:

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I don't know why but that made me LOL!!!! :lol:
So silly!

[CountryBob]

I dont think that Jacob has posessed Sayid's body - unless it is all just a test for Jack to find redemtion. When Sayid said he would take the pill if Jack asked him too - that he trusted him completely, was based on past experiences with Jack on the island. Jacob wouldnt have those feelings.

[K.C.]

I dont think that Jacob has posessed Sayid's body - unless it is all just a test for Jack to find redemtion. When Sayid said he would take the pill if Jack asked him too - that he trusted him completely, was based on past experiences with Jack on the island. Jacob wouldnt have those feelings.

The inference from the episode is that Sayid and Claire were claimed by the Smoke Monster, and could be utilized as emissaries to achieve its goals.

The problem is determining what 'claimed' means.

Being claimed would seem to be different than actually being an incarnation of the Smoke Monster (like Locke and Christian are).

Dogan described it as a dark shadow that falls over the person and corrupts them. But does that mean that they are directly under the influence of the Smoke Monster, or that they just lose their purity and innocence (as Richard said would happen to Ben as a child if they healed him in the Temple).

The parallels between Rousseau and Claire raise the question as to whether Rousseau was claimed in the past. She constantly talked about fighting the sickness, and how she killed her team because they were sick, but at the same time she had a certain cutthroat, merciless quality to her character.

Is that what being claimed is? That you become a sort of merciless, base individual with animalistic tendencies?

Ben certainly exhibits those qualities, and he presumably exhibits all those qualities and was healed the same way Sayid was, yet Ben was put in charge of The Others, whereas they now seem to want to kill Sayid.

Why would Ben get one treatment and Sayid the other? Is there perhaps a rift between this group under Dogan, and the group with Richard, to where there are two warring factions, or ideals, within The Others?

The episode raises a lot of interesting questions.

One of the themes Damon and Carlton say about the season is that it is, at its core, a Good vs. Evil struggle, but that the audience needs to mindful of whether or not Jacob is the greater good, or they're pulling the switcharoo on us.

I think this episode definitely casted doubt on both sides.

[CountryBob]

Dude, you have great ideas! I was assuming that the reason Jacob told Hurley to take Sayid to the temple was so he could claim his form - to fight the smoke monster Locke later on.

[JDE]

Some possible clues on this link, a bit spoilery if the author is correct.

Very interesting stuff.

http://www.docarzt.com/lost/9765/

[TheGameHHH]

Ok, another question. If Ben and the Hostiles wiped out Dharma sometime in the 80's why did Dharma still drop food in the jungle sometime around 2004?

[instrument]

Well game hhh, the theory is that dharma wasnt aware that the hostiles had taken over until that episode where locke engaged the distress signal by winning that chess game in that episode.

I mean hell...the submarine was still making trips too.

[instrument]

My question is when did claire die?

We do have to assume it had to be before she appeared in the cabin with christian right? Maybe thats how the ashe around the cabin got disturbed.

Ohh and remember when they said "jin is one of them" "oh he could be" was the reply.......one of who?

[TheGameHHH]

Well game hhh, the theory is that dharma wasnt aware that the hostiles had taken over until that episode where locke engaged the distress signal by winning that chess game in that episode.

I mean hell...the submarine was still making trips too.

who's to say the sub was part of dharma? did they ever say that specifically?

a quarter century they weren't aware that the people they had in charge weren't there anymore?

[Ocho Cinco]

My question is when did claire die?

We do have to assume it had to be before she appeared in the cabin with christian right? Maybe thats how the ashe around the cabin got disturbed.

Ohh and remember when they said "jin is one of them" "oh he could be" was the reply.......one of who?

at this point it is assumed claire "died" when the freighter folk blew up dharmaville trying to get ben, the same time they killed his daughter. claire was in the house when it blew up when sawyer was trying to save her, it was shortly after that she saw her "father" and left w/ him, only to be seen next time in jacobs cabin. so somewhere at that point is where she was "infected"

i heard somewhere the producers said they would explain why there were food drops to the swan hatch all this time this season.

as far as jin being "one" of them, i think they just mean a oceanic survivor, or at least one touched by jacob. dogen was telling sawyer to please not to leave, they obviously need all of them there. so they can't kill jin if they need all the survivors that jacob touched for this upcoming war

[K.C.]

at this point it is assumed claire "died" when the freighter folk blew up dharmaville trying to get ben, the same time they killed his daughter. claire was in the house when it blew up when sawyer was trying to save her, it was shortly after that she saw her "father" and left w/ him, only to be seen next time in jacobs cabin. so somewhere at that point is where she was "infected"

i heard somewhere the producers said they would explain why there were food drops to the swan hatch all this time this season.

as far as jin being "one" of them, i think they just mean a oceanic survivor, or at least one touched by jacob. dogen was telling sawyer to please not to leave, they obviously need all of them there. so they can't kill jin if they need all the survivors that jacob touched for this upcoming war

They took this scene out of the episode she suppsoedly dies, but threw it on the DVD...it more strongly suggests she died and then was claimed similar to how Sayid died and resurrected this season

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[mikeyboy]

No podcast this week? Bah.

[instrument]

who's to say the sub was part of dharma? did they ever say that specifically?

a quarter century they weren't aware that the people they had in charge weren't there anymore?

you're joking right? so the sub wasn't part of dharma, they just drugged people and put them on it for the ride to the island...but it wasn't theres?

and maybe the outside part of dharma knew that things were still in place because the button was still being pressed? i really don't know, but the drops were for the swan..and i'm guessing they would've seen an anomaly if the button wasn't being pressed..sort of like that arctic team saw when they were able to locate the island for penny?

[Aggie]

Tonight's episode, "The Substitute" is Locke-centric! YES!

There is a 50 sec clip from tonight's ep and a Locke recap list...some may be relevant and some may not but I enjoyed reading it:

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/16/lost-doc-jensen-locke/?ew_packageID=20313460

[booster11373]

My stupid hayseed TV station is pre-empting Lost tonight to show a stupid college basketball game I go to the damn college and Im not even interested show the damn show at its proper time not 1 in the morning!!

I hear Torrential rain is in the future!

[instrument]

Locke centric is way better than kate....or even worse the suncentric..ugh.

[K.C.]

Locke centric is way better than kate....or even worse the suncentric..ugh.

House of the Rising Sun was pretty good (her 1st season episode)...Glass Ballerina was ok (early 3rd season)...

The rest are pretty awful, although the This Place Is Death (which is an awesome episode) from the 5th season is supposedly a Jin/Sun centric, but a lot of those 5th season episodes are barely centrics to anyone, so I wouldn't really count it.

[K.C.]

My stupid hayseed TV station is pre-empting Lost tonight to show a stupid college basketball game I go to the damn college and Im not even interested show the damn show at its proper time not 1 in the morning!!

I hear Torrential rain is in the future!

You need to attend more classes so you learn how to use commas. :innocent:

But, yeah, that sucks.

[IamFogHat]

These pop up episodes really are for the retarded.

[IamFogHat]

Here we go...

[disneyspy]

sweet a locke episode

[IamFogHat]

Randy the cunt.

[IamFogHat]

Richard got his ass beat as bad as Ben it looks like.

[Furtherman]

Another ghost kid.

[IamFogHat]

Sawyer is hammertime:drunk::lol:

[IamFogHat]

Hurley: "Yeah, that guy is a huge douche." Line of the night!

[Furtherman]

Good to see Hurley is still cool in any timeline.

[disneyspy]

oh shit,smoke locke is going to beat his dick some more now

[Furtherman]

Rose! Nice.

[disneyspy]

john is LOCKEd up on the island

[disneyspy]

i wonder if that use to be jacob's ladder

[Furtherman]

Was that Farrah written on the cave? Didn't recognize any other names.

[IamFogHat]

I'm scared.

[disneyspy]

Was that Farrah written on the cave? Didn't recognize any other names.

i saw jarrah as in sayid

[IamFogHat]

Was that Farrah written on the cave? Didn't recognize any other names.

Jarrah, Ford, other Losties last names.

[Furtherman]

i saw jarrah as in sayid

*smacks forehead* that makes sense

[Furtherman]

No f'n way!

[dino_electropolis]

someone posted about the numbers correlating with each character.


pretty freaky

[disneyspy]

ha,it was jacob's ladder

[IamFogHat]

I'm scared again.

[IamFogHat]

Oh shit, oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit.

[dino_electropolis]

that big statue foot is sawyers


this show just won me back after last weeks mac debacle

[dino_electropolis]

that big statue foot is sawyers


this show just won me back after last weeks mac debacle

although, this picture is a bitmuch.

http://www.daemonstv.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lost-s6-cast-550x366.jpg

http://wemakethefunny.com/wp-content/uploads/last_supper_davinci.jpg

[paulisded]

No number for Kate???

[hammersavage]

No number for Kate???

a woman can't protect a whole island

[Furtherman]

No number for Kate???

I think he only pointed out 5 numbers.

And is that how they're going to be explained? Jacob has a thing for numbers.

[dino_electropolis]

a woman can't protect a whole island

No number for Kate???

Dont be silly.

A woman cant achieve candidate status.:king:

[hammersavage]

I think he only pointed out 5 numbers.

And is that how they're going to be explained? Jacob has a thing for numbers.

nope there was six of them. including Farrah Fawcett

[Furtherman]

nope there was six of them. including Farrah Fawcett

She is the key.

[dukester]

Jacob has a thing for numbers.



Synesthesia?

[Servo]

Only men can be "candidates"? (Although, if so, why did Jacob visit Kate when she was little?)

Is this how the numbers became significant, or is this just another example of these 6 numbers showing up coincidentally?

The blond kid in the jungle... Aaron, anyone?

[Dell]

Only men can be "candidates"? (Although, if so, why did Jacob visit Kate when she was little?)

Is this how the numbers became significant, or is this just another example of these 6 numbers showing up coincidentally?

The blond kid in the jungle... Aaron, anyone?

very interesting...didn't think about it, but worth further consideration...

[disneyspy]

why could sawyer see the kid but richard couldnt?

[johnniehardrock]

Can the alternte timeline be the timeline if Jacob did not touch or interact with anybody?