Paul McCartney Used Michael Jackson To Stay Famous

[lleeder]

This weekend there was a ton of Michael Jackson music on the radio. Today on the show they discussed the popularity of The Beatles Vs. Jackson. As I listened to the duets McCartney and Jackson did together its obvious McCartney was the weaker of the two. He saw a shooting star and ran right over and hitched his ass up to it. Michael carried him through those songs and gave McCartney a little boost that convinced people he still had something left.

[paulisded]

That's the craziest thing I've ever read.

[Tall_James]

I just bought two tickets to see the non-deceased one at Fenway Park in August. I'm psyched.

[TheMojoPin]

So you're the McCartney to R&F's Jackson?

[lleeder]

So you're the McCartney to R&F's Jackson?

exactly.

[SatCam]

I think he had a vested interest in keeping Sir McCartney famous. He owned the rights to a good chunk of the Beatles' catalog between 1985 and 1995. If anything MJ won in the end

[Gvac]

I'm with lleeder.

McCartney's sucked balls since the late 70's.

[Hottub]

McCartney's sucked balls since the late 70's.

http://www.ronfez.net/gallery//watermark.php?file=4997

[Doogie]

I'm with lleeder.

McCartney's sucked balls since the late 70's.

While I dont entirely disagree with this statement, I will say that McCartney is a gigantic name. Was his stuff with MJ weak. Yes. But it still is Paul McCartney one of the few Beatles that people still loved, and adored. The guy could have of put out an album named "Wet bag of shit" and people would still buy it cause of McCartney's name.

[TheMojoPin]

But it still is Paul McCartney one of the few Beatles that people still loved, and adored.

What th-?!?

This makes no sense because, for one, it makes it sound there's like scores of Beatles out there and, for two, like any of the other surviving Beatles were hated at some point.

[Doogie]

What th-?!?

This makes no sense because, for one, it makes it sound there's like scores of Beatles out there and, for two, like any of the other surviving Beatles were hated at some point.

Ok...I should have of said more than the other LIVING ones. How is that pete picky?? Happy?!?!

[mikeyboy]

I'm with lleeder.

McCartney's sucked balls since the late 70's.

but...but...but...

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[Hottub]

but...but...but...

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Point Gvac.

[mikeyboy]

Point Gvac.

Thanks for not getting the bit.

[Hottub]

To be totally honest, I thought you were serious. No kiding.

[hammersavage]

To be totally honest, I thought you were serious. No kiding.

Point mikeyboy

[DolaMight]

I missed the show again but I was talking to a friend today about how globally Jackson was the biggest star ever in any form of entertainment, no one ever peaked that high. Individually Madonna and Elvis are the only ones to ever come close.

No one short of Jesus 2 will reach that level of fame because the media is no longer a narrow channel, it's too big, with the infinite options of the internet and 500 direct tv channels it'll never happen again.

The only thing you could compare his fame to was the beatles. Jackson wasn't bigger than the collective band but he was bigger than any one member. Even John Lennon.

go anywhere in the world in any language and they know jackson. His persona crossed language barriers like no one ever.

[epo]

Let's not get too carried away and remember how in the shits Michael's solo career was before Quincy Jones. It was Quincy who did Off the Wall and changed Michael's career. It was Quincy who convinced Stevie Wonder and Sir Paul to work with Michael.

You Lleeder, are a hack.

[paulisded]

Let's not get too carried away and remember how in the shits Michael's solo career was before Quincy Jones. It was Quincy who did Off the Wall and changed Michael's career. It was Quincy who convinced Stevie Wonder and Sir Paul to work with Michael.

You Lleeder, are a hack.

Finally a voice of reason.

[styckx]

LordZero is contagious.

[TheMojoPin]

I missed the show again but I was talking to a friend today about how globally Jackson was the biggest star ever in any form of entertainment, no one ever peaked that high. Individually Madonna and Elvis are the only ones to ever come close.

No one short of Jesus 2 will reach that level of fame because the media is no longer a narrow channel, it's too big, with the infinite options of the internet and 500 direct tv channels it'll never happen again.

The only thing you could compare his fame to was the beatles. Jackson wasn't bigger than the collective band but he was bigger than any one member. Even John Lennon.

go anywhere in the world in any language and they know jackson. His persona crossed language barriers like no one ever.

I thought this was interesting: (http://idolator.com/5247672/chartwalker-why-billboard-geeks-remain-fond-of-michael-jackson)

To hear some of the breathless analysis over the last 24 hours, you’d think that Jackson had set every pop-music record, ever. The fact is, some of Michael’s stats aren’t all that staggering. His 13 Grammys are less than half of those of his mentor/producer Quincy Jones, and they don’t even place him among the awards’ Top 10 recipients. His total U.S. album certifications of 61.5 million — nearly half for Thriller alone — place him below everyone from Garth Brooks to AC/DC to Billy Joel and are just barely above one-third of the Beatles’ lifetime total. His 13 U.S. No. 1 singles land him fourth on the all-time list, below the Beatles-Mariah-Elvis trifecta. None of his singles has ever been the No. 1 hit of the year, and bizarrely, none of his videos ever won MTV’s Video of the Year award. (Oh, and by the way, “King of Pop”? That was a marketing term coined by Jackson’s own people in 1991 in an attempt to hype the overblown album Dangerous.)

Here's what he actually did accomplish in those areas:

Youngest act to top the Hot 100. When the Jackson 5’s “I Want You Back” reached the penthouse in January 1970, lead singer Michael was just shy of 11 and a half. Amazingly, this record still stands; only Hanson drummer Zac Hanson, a month past 11 and a half when “MMMBop” topped the chart in May 1997, has come close to beating Michael’s record. (Among solo acts, “Little” Stevie Wonder still holds the record, a chart-topper with “Fingertips” at age 12.)

First act to reach No. 1 with all four of his/their first singles. A benchmark Jackson shares with his brothers — before 1970 was over, “I Want You Back” was followed in the top slot by the Jacksons’ “ABC,” “The Love You Save” and “I’ll Be There.” Four decades later, this remains a mind-blowing level of Hot 100 consistency and dominance in a single year, comparable only to the Beatles in 1964 (and maybe Usher in 2004). However, the record for debutante No. 1–song series has been beaten: in 1990-91, Mariah Carey reached the top with all of her first five singles.

Most Top 10 hits pulled from a single album. Having gone solo, Jackson achieved this twice, with two consecutive albums. In 1979-80, he tied the record set in 1977 by Fleetwood Mac’s Rumours (and set it for solo acts) when Off the Wall produced four bell-ringers: the No. 1’s “Don’t Stop ‘til You Get Enough” and “Rock with You,” and the Top 10s “Off the Wall” and “She’s Out of My Life.” He then obliterated that benchmark in 1982‒84 when Thriller produced seven Top 10s, starting with “The Girl Is Mine” and ending with “Thriller.”

First R&B-to-rock chart crossover. Many commentators in the past 24 hours have noted Jackson’s breakthrough as the first black face on MTV, which for its initial two years on-air was programmed as a “rock” video channel before “Billie Jean” changed everything. But it’s easy to overstate this achievement. Had Jackson not broken through, Prince was poised to do so with “Little Red Corvette” mere weeks later in the spring of 1983. And in retrospect, MTV’s capitulation to nonwhite pop seems inevitable.

Thriller, the…top? album of all time. The granddaddy statistic of them all, mentioned within the first few paragraphs of practically all Jackson coverage, the record-breaking sales total of Thriller is actually pretty slippery. Yes, it’s widely agreed to be the world’s top-seller at a supposed 100 million copies. But like the jumbo figures we hear quoted every year for global-TV viewership of the Super Bowl and the Oscars, there’s likely to be a good deal of padding in that total (which is probably not even Sony’s fault, given the shiftiness of global distribution arrangements). I find it suspicious that the album was quoted at just over 40 million in global sales in the mid-’80s and suddenly shifted to the 100-mil figure less than two decades later — in the absence of additional hits, where’d those 50 million in new sales come from? On the flip side, consider all the likely undercounting — in China and elsewhere, countless copies of Thriller have been sold on the gray and black markets.

First album to spawn five No. 1 hits. That would be not Thriller, which only produced two chart-toppers (the immortal “Billie Jean” and “Beat It”), but rather Bad. In a compressed period from the fall of 1987 to the summer of 1988, Jackson’s über-hyped followup disc spun off “I Just Can’t Stop Loving You,” “Bad,” “The Way You Make Me Feel,” “Man in the Mirror,” and “Dirty Diana.” To date, no one has matched this feat — an elite handful of acts, from George Michael to Paula Abdul to Usher, have pulled four No. 1’s from a single album, but that fifth one has proven a bridge too far.

First song to debut at No. 1 on the Hot 100. Jackson’s last chart milestone came in 1995, when “You Are Not Alone” burst onto the list in the top slot, a feat that had eluded even the Beatles in their heyday. The HIStory ballad was Jackson’s final penthouse-dweller, and it ushered in a brief period from 1995 through 1998 when the biggest hits of the day, from Mariah to Lauryn Hill, routinely debuted in the Hot 100’s top slot.

[paulisded]

Every album after Thriller sold less than half of its predecessor, despite progressively higher costs in production.

[GreatAmericanZero]

i hear a lot about how media has changed so much to the point where there will never be another Elvis, Beatles, Jacko and i have 2 thoughts about that

1.) there could be...i think thats where innovation comes in, it is possible that out of nowhere something would come along with that effect. Its def harder, but im not ruling it out

2.) i think its a good thing that its so much harder for everyone to like the same thing. It seems that people look back at it as a better time "we all liked Michael Jackson!" But thats just what was forced on you

its like, during the inauguration so many news stories kept saying "men always wore hats until JFK didn't wear one, then every guy stopped". What a bunch of fucking sheep, not wearing a hat anymore cuz the president did? Thats sad to me.

I think its a cool thing that we are a bit more individually minded these days. Hopefully we will continue this trend til a movie like "transformers 2" wouldn't make 200million dollars in a weekend

[lleeder]

I didn't say he was the greatest I just said McCartney used him to reboot his fame. In the songs that they did together its clear he's better and carrying McCartney. If McCartney had the chance he'd pull a Madonna and team up with Justin Timberlake tommorrow.

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[epo]

i hear a lot about how media has changed so much to the point where there will never be another Elvis, Beatles, Jacko and i have 2 thoughts about that

1.) there could be...i think thats where innovation comes in, it is possible that out of nowhere something would come along with that effect. Its def harder, but im not ruling it out

2.) i think its a good thing that its so much harder for everyone to like the same thing. It seems that people look back at it as a better time "we all liked Michael Jackson!" But thats just what was forced on you

its like, during the inauguration so many news stories kept saying "men always wore hats until JFK didn't wear one, then every guy stopped". What a bunch of fucking sheep, not wearing a hat anymore cuz the president did? Thats sad to me.

I think its a cool thing that we are a bit more individually minded these days. Hopefully we will continue this trend til a movie like "transformers 2" wouldn't make 200million dollars in a weekend

Can somebody reduce this into a cliff notes version?

[sr71blackbird]

I didn't say he was the greatest I just said McCartney used him to reboot his fame. In the songs that they did together its clear he's better and carrying McCartney. If McCartney had the chance he'd pull a Madonna and team up with Justin Timberlake tommorrow.

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Why couldnt Michael Jackson have stayed the way he was in this? Why did he have to go and get weird with the skin and operations and stuff? Something must have pushed him over the abyss. Its a shame really.

[lleeder]

Can somebody reduce this into a cliff notes version?

I can.

Gaz wants everyone to have a cuddle party.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Can somebody reduce this into a cliff notes version?

7 sentences is too much?

i know its the hip messageboard thing to take a guy down a peg when he writes a lot, but it only works if they really do write alot. Dolamight wrote just as much as me

pathetic attempt

[epo]

I can.

Gaz wants everyone to have a cuddle party.

Fuck that. Also, I don't buy a word of his bullshit theory which says nobody will be as popular as Jacko/Elvis AND people are sheep.

That's the logic of a child.

Poster of the year my ass.

[disneyspy]

Fuck that. Also, I don't buy a word of his bullshit theory which says nobody will be as popular as Jacko/Elvis AND people are sheep.

That's the logic of a child.

Poster of the year my ass.

you have a poster of your ass?

sweeeeet

[Hottub]

Why couldnt Michael Jackson have stayed the way he was in this? Why did he have to go and get weird with the skin and operations and stuff? Something must have pushed him over the abyss. Its a shame really.

Mental illness due to chemical imbalances?
A long term drug dependency? (Usually ending the day with a drug cocktail)
Inability to deal with the fame thrust upon him? (see Neverland Ranch)
Having the physique of a 12 year old?

There's a few for you, sport.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Fuck that. Also, I don't buy a word of his bullshit theory which says nobody will be as popular as Jacko/Elvis AND people are sheep.

That's the logic of a child.

Poster of the year my ass.

my point was that i believed that it was possible for there to be another person as popular as them

you werent kidding about not being able to read. You barely got past the first 3 words of point number 1

[disneyspy]

I ONCE MADE A MOLD OF MY ASS USING A BIG SHEET OF TINFOIL,i gave it to a chick,she wasnt impressed

[Hottub]

From the time he could crawl, Mr. Jackson was never a part of the real world.
Thrust into stardom as a child, living an entirely sheltered life for so many years. It's no wonder he created an amusement park and petting zoo for himself. He was never a child. (that may also have some bearing as to the allegations that were brought up against him)

He was destined to be a nut case from the cradle.

Sir Paul at least did some growing up before he went mental.

[epo]

7 sentences is too much?

i know its the hip messageboard thing to take a guy down a peg when he writes a lot, but it only works if they really do write alot. Dolamight wrote just as much as me

pathetic attempt

Personally if I'm going 7 sentences, I'll actually complete a fucking thought or a sentence. To each their own.

And to attempt to strawman me for message board hipness via the "short post" is fucking weak. I cut my teeth on this site with uber long posts, so please go fuck yourself you self-inflated douche.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Personally if I'm going 7 sentences, I'll actually complete a fucking thought or a sentence. To each their own.

And to attempt to strawman me for message board hipness via the "short post" is fucking weak. I cut my teeth on this site with uber long posts, so please go fuck yourself you self-inflated douche.

oh, well sorry if i havent "cut my teeth on this site"

so ridiculous :laugh:

[epo]

you have a poster of your ass?

sweeeeet

Damned straight. Still in for July 9th?

[Hottub]

No personal attacks, gentlemen.

[hammersavage]

If epo is hip, then I'm Steve McQueen

[epo]

oh, well sorry if i havent "cut my teeth on this site"

so ridiculous :laugh:

And yet you can't address my other point about your lame attempt to strawman me. Do me a favor and shut the fuck up.

[GreatAmericanZero]

And yet you can't address my other point about your lame attempt to strawman me. Do me a favor and shut the fuck up.

Can somebody reduce this into a cliff notes version?

[epo]

If epo is hip, then I'm Steve McQueen

Go to your room!

[disneyspy]

Damned straight. Still in for July 9th?

hell ya

[epo]

Can somebody reduce this into a cliff notes version?

Gladly.

1. GAZ is a jerkoff.

[epo]

hell ya

Contact me on Wednesday night so we can put details together. I think Rhino is in.

[disneyspy]

Contact me on Wednesday night so we can put details together. I think Rhino is in.

sweet,now we need to get mojo to leave his zone,i'm comin by myself

[epo]

sweet,now we need to get mojo to leave his zone,i'm comin by myself

I'll get tix tomorrow at the stadium.

Are u taking the flyer over?

[dino_electropolis]

Say Say Say was one of my favorite MJ songs......

Just because i was young, and really starting to discover music.


Whenever i think of Michael's voice, my go-to verse is "You sayin that, my love ain't real...."

That, to me, capture's his voice when it was at its peak.

[A.J.]

I just bought two tickets to see the non-deceased one at Fenway Park in August. I'm psyched.


Everybody knows that the real Paul died back in 1966. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead)