Fez Just Let It Go

[Farthammer]

Enough about this wedding dinner invite.

[spainlinx0]

Eh, I think this is good on the air. I enjoy this conversation. Whatever keeps gay marriage off the show.

[yojimbo7248]

beats the hell out of listening to Fez's opinions about gay issues

[yojimbo7248]

Eh, I think this is good on the air. I enjoy this conversation. Whatever keeps gay marriage off the show.

just saw that you made the gay marriage point, too. I agree

[Serpico1103]

Fez is 100% wrong. ESD should giggle until he quits, like Franklin and Black Earl.

[BlackSpider]

I hope to God they sent Fez a thank-you card...

[STC-Dub]

I think he got a towel warmer which he then gave to Ron for Christmas.

[drucifer]

I think Fez should literally let it go, ejaculate and then let this go.

Drop a batch, forget the hacks.

[Death Metal Moe]

This is the way Fez is. I'm so sick of everyone else saying Fez is wrong and Fez has to change but people like Dave or Earl get to just say "This is the zany me, love it or leave it."

Fuck that, Fez gets hurt and Fez holds grudges. That's part of who he is, fucking deal with it. I'm so sick of these cocksuckers on the phone calling up and taking their free shots at Fez just because Ron starts a couple jabs at him. That doesn't make it open season on Fez.

What did you really expect to happen? It's 2 years later, so fucking what? If it never got worked out the problem is still there. Did Fez let too long go? I don't know, no one seemed to give a fuck the 2 guys who were responsible for the wedding and honeymoon were invited to the after dinner, maybe he was just waiting to see if Dave ever noticed the problem.

The point is it was disrespectful and Dave's on air attitude towards Fez isn't helping things at all. Everyone says "Well what is Dave supposed to do now 2 years later?" Sure, Dave SAID he's sorry, how about you fucking act like it. Not continue to take your jabs and half-whispered comments at Fez, continuing into a live read.

All you can do is apologize to someone you wronged and try to move on but when you don't act sorry, and then continue to break balls, you weren't sorry at all.

[GreatAmericanZero]

This is the way Fez is. I'm so sick of everyone else saying Fez is wrong and Fez has to change but people like Dave or Earl get to just say "This is the zany me, love it or leave it."
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Dave is comfortable with who he is and is happy in his life. Fez makes the audience sympathize with his problems and feel bad for him, and then he does these things like living in the past and holding silly grudges that show absolutley no effort in him trying to make himself better. Its like someone complaining about how hard it is to lose weight, but then eats chocolate donuts all day long...so people goof on it. I think its fair. I don't understand bringing Earl's name up though, he was pretty fucking crazy and i don't think anyone ever gave him a break about it either

[Death Metal Moe]

Dave is comfortable with who he is and is happy in his life. Fez makes the audience sympathize with his problems and feel bad for him, and then he does these things like living in the past and holding silly grudges that show absolutley no effort in him trying to make himself better. Its like someone complaining about how hard it is to lose weight, but then eats chocolate donuts all day long...so people goof on it. I think its fair. I don't understand bringing Earl's name up though, he was pretty fucking crazy and i don't think anyone ever gave him a break about it either

I don't think Fez is changing as much as he's finally becoming comfortable being who he is, in my personal opinion. Sometimes you need to forgive yourself for not being whatever you thought you should and just be yourself. Just because Fez has been more open about his problems doesn't mean he's any more wrong or any weaker.

Dave is great on the air but he's not exactly what I would define as comfortable or stable.

[Gvac]

If I know these two crazy kids as well as I think I do they'll be just fine!

Fez AND Dave are both awesome! I love 'em both!

[GreatAmericanZero]

I don't think Fez is changing as much as he's finally becoming comfortable being who he is, in my personal opinion. Sometimes you need to forgive yourself for not being whatever you thought you should and just be yourself. Just because Fez has been more open about his problems doesn't mean he's any more wrong or any weaker.

Dave is great on the air but he's not exactly what I would define as comfortable or stable.

but Dave doesn't talk about how depressed he is either and all his mental problems in a serious manner. If he did, then it would be acceptable to be frustrated with him when he is acting crazy and doesn't see it because, i believe, when Fez did that stuff he extended his hand to the audience for help so they have every right to goof on him when he says or does crazy things. Fez has made it clear that he wants to be normal..he even checked into the nut hut, so its the most logical thing in the world to call him out when he is acting abnormal because he made it such a huge focus of the show

i think dave is a great ballbuster and i think its hilarious when he goofs on fez. if dave started "treating fez with respect", i don't get how thats funny or entertaining. its not like they work at a paper factory or something, they are putting together a radio show so i think their only concern is letting the show member's comedic talents shine. And from what i remember on WNEW, Fez got goofed on a lot then too. His catchphrase was "Rude And Rude!"....he said it because someone said something rude to him...its no big deal

that being said, i also don't find anything wrong with fez being crazy and i think some of the outlandish things he says and believes is a hugely important element to the show. it creates the perfect comedic dynamic with Ron. I just don't think neither dave or the callers have done anything out of line towards him

[Serpico1103]

This is the way Fez is. I'm so sick of everyone else saying Fez is wrong and Fez has to change but people like Dave or Earl get to just say "This is the zany me, love it or leave it."

Fuck that, Fez gets hurt and Fez holds grudges. That's part of who he is, fucking deal with it. I'm so sick of these cocksuckers on the phone calling up and taking their free shots at Fez just because Ron starts a couple jabs at him. That doesn't make it open season on Fez.

What did you really expect to happen? It's 2 years later, so fucking what? If it never got worked out the problem is still there. Did Fez let too long go? I don't know, no one seemed to give a fuck the 2 guys who were responsible for the wedding and honeymoon were invited to the after dinner, maybe he was just waiting to see if Dave ever noticed the problem.

The point is it was disrespectful and Dave's on air attitude towards Fez isn't helping things at all. Everyone says "Well what is Dave supposed to do now 2 years later?" Sure, Dave SAID he's sorry, how about you fucking act like it. Not continue to take your jabs and half-whispered comments at Fez, continuing into a live read.

All you can do is apologize to someone you wronged and try to move on but when you don't act sorry, and then continue to break balls, you weren't sorry at all.

To be clear, we (me, posters, callers) should accept Fez for who he is because that is what a healthy person does, accept people for who they are.
Yet, your post is directed at correcting everyone and criticizing how they should act towards Fez.

ESD had nothing to apologize for, and he did any way. Yet, Fez continued with his hostile attitude to ESD and his wife. Fez knows he has a horrible track record with "friends", yet somehow he is confident that he is right. Hmmmm, maybe it isn't everyone else, maybe it is him. He demands a high standard from himself (doesn't live up to it so he hates himself) and he demands the same high standard from others and gets mad when they too don't live up to it.

[Mr.Positive Pants]

These two gloomy guses need to share a soda pop and a hug. Then they'll be a bowl of sunshine

[jetdog]

I don't think Fez is changing as much as he's finally becoming comfortable being who he is, in my personal opinion. Sometimes you need to forgive yourself for not being whatever you thought you should and just be yourself. Just because Fez has been more open about his problems doesn't mean he's any more wrong or any weaker.

Dave is great on the air but he's not exactly what I would define as comfortable or stable.

So harkening back to the recent Matty banning...just because he is consistent (Matty)/newly emboldened (Fez) about being an asshole (Matty)/childish (Fez) means he is justified in being an asshole (Matty)/childish (Fez)?

[Brad in Bama]

I agree with most of you guys, but I'm going to take a page out of the Opie handbook. Don't make this about you Fez. If your whole point to the wedding was not doing somthing nice for your friend, but more or less putting on heirs and wanting credit and adulation, you did it for the wrong reasons. He holds grudges to the end of time even after an appology. I don't blame Dave for having a "fuck it" attitude. I'm sure some of this is a work, and it plays good on the radio, but just like the day he was on an elevator and someone asked for the elevator to wait, he let's the littlest shit bug him. It's hard to tip toe around someone with that kind of attitude.

[Death Metal Moe]

i believe, when Fez did that stuff he extended his hand to the audience for help so they have every right to goof on him when he says or does crazy things.

So you break someone down when they ask for help?

Classy.

[Death Metal Moe]

So harkening back to the recent Matty banning...just because he is consistent (Matty)/newly emboldened (Fez) about being an asshole (Matty)/childish (Fez) means he is justified in being an asshole (Matty)/childish (Fez)?

Not exactly. Fez hasn't been consistent lately, he's actually been coming out of whatever funk he was in. I don't think he's that different, he's just accepting the way he is in more than the "secret" sense.

You have to accept someone for who they are and eventually figure out if you really want to remain friends with someone.

[Death Metal Moe]

To be clear, we (me, posters, callers) should accept Fez for who he is because that is what a healthy person does, accept people for who they are.
Yet, your post is directed at correcting everyone and criticizing how they should act towards Fez.

ESD had nothing to apologize for, and he did any way. Yet, Fez continued with his hostile attitude to ESD and his wife. Fez knows he has a horrible track record with "friends", yet somehow he is confident that he is right. Hmmmm, maybe it isn't everyone else, maybe it is him. He demands a high standard from himself (doesn't live up to it so he hates himself) and he demands the same high standard from others and gets mad when they too don't live up to it.

So you feel that everyone dog piling, shit talking, insulting, threatening and trying to make Fez cry is acceptable?

ESD had an EXTREMELY large problem to apologize for. He did, but he didn't act sorry. That's bullshit.

As for Fez's track record with friends, that's something Dave needs to take into consideration as he decides if he wants to remain Fez's friends.

[jetdog]

Not exactly. Fez hasn't been consistent lately, he's actually been coming out of whatever funk he was in. I don't think he's that different, he's just accepting the way he is in more than the "secret" sense.

You have to accept someone for who they are and eventually figure out if you really want to remain friends with someone.

I get your point...but damn, you have to admit, Fez is making it hard for people to be on his side, ie. want to remain friends with him.

[lleeder]

This thread title reminds me of that top country songs music bit O&A did with Patrice. They would try to guess the song by the title.



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[Death Metal Moe]

I get your point...but damn, you have to admit, Fez is making it hard for people to be on his side, ie. want to remain friends with him.

I will agree with that, Fez isn't an easy friend to keep it seems. But Ronnie did it somehow and Fez is fiercely loyal to him. I'm not even going to try to say it's not Fez's fault some of these things happen, but after awhile it's other people's fault too for not realizing this is how Fez is. He seems to be accepting it and adjusting to it. I think others around him may need to as well.

You don't remain friends with people forever.

[Brad in Bama]

So you feel that everyone dog piling, shit talking, insulting, threatening and trying to make Fez cry is acceptable?

ESD had an EXTREMELY large problem to apologize for. He did, but he didn't act sorry. That's bullshit.

As for Fez's track record with friends, that's something Dave needs to take into consideration as he decides if he wants to remain Fez's friends.

I agree with this. I wonder though if Dave know's he'd never be forgiven anyway based on Fez's past grudge holdings, and just figured fuck it.

[styckx]

YAYAYY Another thread where someone voices a opinion that isn't out right trashing anyone and in swoop the ronfez.net ethics police to start useless back and forth drivel about what they feel should be said on here. Followed up by yet another board character and stupid thread.

So much micro fucking managing on this dump.

[WampusCrandle]

If I know these two crazy kids as well as I think I do they'll be just fine!

Fez AND Dave are both awesome! I love 'em both!

i don't like this newer, happier Gvac.

[Death Metal Moe]

YAYAYY Another thread where someone voices a opinion that isn't out right trashing anyone and in swoop the ronfez.net ethics police to start useless back and forth drivel about what they feel should be said on here. Followed up by yet another board character and stupid thread.

So much micro fucking managing on this dump.

Hmp. Looks like a discussion to me.

[jetdog]

ESD had an EXTREMELY large problem to apologize for. He did, but he didn't act sorry. That's bullshit..

I don't see that at all, are you talking about the after dinner? the flowers-sponsor, the Notre-Dame club...what was the other one?

It just seems like none of this is something a friend would hold against you, let alone air their grievances on national radio...

[jetdog]

i don't like this newer, happier Gvac.

I guess he let a little bit of his new board character, Mr. Positive pants spill over...

[GreatAmericanZero]

So you break someone down when they ask for help?

Classy.

years ago when Fez started complaining about his mental problems and crying on the air and talking about how he wants to get better, it is safe to say that the audience was absolutely with him

now its years later and he still won't say his secret, he holds these silly grudges and he never puts any effort in seeing things from an outside perspective. It makes him an entertaining radio personality but it certainly shows no even attempt at trying to make himself a better/happier person

so the audience feels that, in a way, Fez has spit in their face. So they goof on him now because he isn't taking his progress seriously so why should they? That is my theory why the audience treats fez the way they do. You can say thats not right but clearly the audience is frustrated with his problems and turned it into fodder. All i'm saying is that i find that understandable and acceptable.

but i understand your point-of-view. Its like, the people that watch "Big Brother" and vote out the people that cause the drama and keep the quiet boring people because they are "acting right". I'm not too interested in who is treating who with respect or who is doing more work at a given point or any of that, i'm interested in entertaining radio. Fez saying something crazy and Dave and the listeners busting his balls entertain me. i make no apologies for that

[drjoek]

I have a theory
Supppose Dave has gotten another job somewhere and they are setting us up for a ESD goes out in a blaze of glory by getting into it with. Fez theres a big blow up and Fez throws him off the show. knowing full well he was leaving?

Speculate?
!!!

[jetdog]

I have a theory
Supppose Dave has gotten another job somewhere and they are setting us up for a ESD goes out in a blaze of glory by getting into it with. Fez theres a big blow up and Fez throws him off the show. knowing full well he was leaving?

Speculate?
!!!

meh.

[Death Metal Moe]

I don't see that at all, are you talking about the after dinner? the flowers-sponsor, the Notre-Dame club...what was the other one?

It just seems like none of this is something a friend would hold against you, let alone air their grievances on national radio...

I don't see how people are giving Dave a pass on the dinner thing.

The only reason Dave is on XM is because of Ron and Fez.

One of the reasons Dave met his wife was his exposure on Ron and Fez.

Ron and Fez gave Dave a HUGE on air wedding, a wedding they seemed to enjoy a great deal, and a very nice honeymoon on XM's dime.

If these 2 guys did all this for me, I'd make DAMN SURE they were included in every part of my wedding party, given free access to come and go as they please and I would make sure I asked them in person since I worked with them everyday.

The fact that the 2 guys who were so responsible for so many great things in my life weren't included in a dinner were a few fucking listeners got to go is a major diss.

[Death Metal Moe]

years ago when Fez started complaining about his mental problems and crying on the air and talking about how he wants to get better, it is safe to say that the audience was absolutely with him

now its years later and he still won't say his secret, he holds these silly grudges and he never puts any effort in seeing things from an outside perspective. It makes him an entertaining radio personality but it certainly shows no even attempt at trying to make himself a better/happier person

so the audience feels that, in a way, Fez has spit in their face. So they goof on him now because he isn't taking his progress seriously so why should they? That is my theory why the audience treats fez the way they do. You can say thats not right but clearly the audience is frustrated with his problems and turned it into fodder. All i'm saying is that i find that understandable and acceptable.

but i understand your point-of-view. Its like, the people that watch "Big Brother" and vote out the people that cause the drama and keep the quiet boring people because they are "acting right". I'm not too interested in who is treating who with respect or who is doing more work at a given point or any of that, i'm interested in entertaining radio. Fez saying something crazy and Dave and the listeners busting his balls entertain me. i make no apologies for that

You say these things like Fez owes the audience something. He owes the audience nothing.

Just because some people are ready to give up on him doesn't mean we all are.

[jab]

people goof on fez because the running bit has always bit 'goof on fez' and then he goes 'hey!'. welcome to the ron and fez show everyone.

[Serpico1103]

years ago when Fez started complaining about his mental problems and crying on the air and talking about how he wants to get better, it is safe to say that the audience was absolutely with him
now its years later and he still won't say his secret, he holds these silly grudges and he never puts any effort in seeing things from an outside perspective. It makes him an entertaining radio personality but it certainly shows no even attempt at trying to make himself a better/happier person
so the audience feels that, in a way, Fez has spit in their face. So they goof on him now because he isn't taking his progress seriously so why should they? That is my theory why the audience treats fez the way they do. You can say thats not right but clearly the audience is frustrated with his problems and turned it into fodder. All i'm saying is that i find that understandable and acceptable.
but i understand your point-of-view. Its like, the people that watch "Big Brother" and vote out the people that cause the drama and keep the quiet boring people because they are "acting right". I'm not too interested in who is treating who with respect or who is doing more work at a given point or any of that, i'm interested in entertaining radio. Fez saying something crazy and Dave and the listeners busting his balls entertain me. i make no apologies for that

I agree. I could only care about Fez getting better for so long. Now, I honestly feel let down. As if, I wasn't invited to a family dinner.
Every time I hear him say "I am trying," I feel I am being lied to. He hasn't hit rock bottom, until he does he will remain in his comfort zone of unhappiness.

[GreatAmericanZero]

I don't see how people are giving Dave a pass on the dinner thing.

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because dave apologized and said it was a mistake. his explanation was as acceptable as one can be, it was a dinner for the McDonalds to meet the Elans and HTG was there because shes friends with both Casey and Beanie. It makes 100% sense that dave wouldnt even think it would be something that fez would want to attend in a million years and since fez was hurt, dave apologized. so he earned his pass because he did everything right in light of the mistake

[jetdog]

I don't see how people are giving Dave a pass on the dinner thing.

The only reason Dave is on XM is because of Ron and Fez.

One of the reasons Dave met his wife was his exposure on Ron and Fez.

Ron and Fez gave Dave a HUGE on air wedding, a wedding they seemed to enjoy a great deal, and a very nice honeymoon on XM's dime.

If these 2 guys did all this for me, I'd make DAMN SURE they were included in every part of my wedding party, given free access to come and go as they please and I would make sure I asked them in person since I worked with them everyday.

The fact that the 2 guys who were so responsible for so many great things in my life weren't included in a dinner were a few fucking listeners got to go is a major diss.

So what about Dave giving back by having his wedding on the air? His wedding was basically one huge bit for the Ron and Fez show, it was all aired!
Does he really owe them anything? Is everything Fez did out of consideration for ESD as a friend? If so then let him have his time with his family without malice, without regard for reimbursement.

[Serpico1103]

You say these things like Fez owes the audience something. He owes the audience nothing.

Just because some people are ready to give up on him doesn't mean we all are.

You seem very contradictory to me on this subject.

ESD owes R&F for a wedding that they convinced XM to pay for, that was a radio show.
But, Fez owes an audience that pays to hear a show nothing?

Ok fine, he owes the audience nothing, and they owe him nothing. Thus, "disrespectful" calls and insults.
I think Fez owes the audience 100% effort at a good show and the audience owes him the opportunity. The opportunity is there.

To reference your post below:

1) ESD's and Casey's families do not live close, so a "lifetime" of getting to know one another is not simple
2) Again, you judge ESD's actions, but think the audience is not allowed to judge Fez.

[Death Metal Moe]

because dave apologized and said it was a mistake. his explanation was as acceptable as one can be, it was a dinner for the McDonalds to meet the Elans and HTG was there because shes friends with both Casey and Beanie. It makes 100% sense that dave wouldnt even think it would be something that fez would want to attend in a million years and since fez was hurt, dave apologized. so he earned his pass because he did everything right in light of the mistake

I just don't see it that way. The families are supposed to have some sort of deep discussions that night? They have a whole lifetime to get to know one another. That dinner was a celebration, one that the 2 men responsible for the occasion were excluded from.

Unacceptable.

[GreatAmericanZero]

You say these things like Fez owes the audience something. He owes the audience nothing.

Just because some people are ready to give up on him doesn't mean we all are.

if he owes the audience nothing then the audience doesnt owe him anything either. so the show naturally goes into the direction of comedy that works for them

people goof on fez because the running bit has always bit 'goof on fez' and then he goes 'hey!'. welcome to the ron and fez show everyone.

thats what i always thought. On WNEW his catchphrases were "HEY!" because someone just insulted him and "RUDE AND RUDE!" because someone just said something rude to him. i don't see the big deal in goofing on him, it seems to be the dynamic that has worked for the show for as long as i can remember

[mikeyboy]

I don't see how people are giving Dave a pass on the dinner thing.

The only reason Dave is on XM is because of Ron and Fez.

One of the reasons Dave met his wife was his exposure on Ron and Fez.

Ron and Fez gave Dave a HUGE on air wedding, a wedding they seemed to enjoy a great deal, and a very nice honeymoon on XM's dime.

If these 2 guys did all this for me, I'd make DAMN SURE they were included in every part of my wedding party, given free access to come and go as they please and I would make sure I asked them in person since I worked with them everyday.

The fact that the 2 guys who were so responsible for so many great things in my life weren't included in a dinner were a few fucking listeners got to go is a major diss.

Getting married is, I think, an extenuating circumstance. You are so stressed out and focused on the things you need to personally deal with (actually getting married), that once that is done, it's all almost a blur. Whether Dave and Casey should have invited Fez to the dinner is one thing, but whether it's okay for Dave and Casey to have neglected to make the invitation because they were so overwhelmed by their wedding day is another thing altogether. I think it's a justified mistake.

[Death Metal Moe]

You seem very contradictory to me on this subject.

ESD owes R&F for a wedding that they convinced XM to pay for, that was a radio show.
But, Fez owes an audience that pays to hear a show nothing?

Ok fine, he owes the audience nothing, and they owe him nothing. Thus, "disrespectful" calls and insults.
I think Fez owes the audience 100% effort at a good show and the audience owes him the opportunity. The opportunity is there.

But "new Fez" and "old Fez" both entertain us in different ways. Even at his worst Ron bounced stuff off of him. I have been entertained by the show this whole time.

[Death Metal Moe]

So what about Dave giving back by having his wedding on the air? His wedding was basically one huge bit for the Ron and Fez show, it was all aired!
Does he really owe them anything? Is everything Fez did out of consideration for ESD as a friend? If so then let him have his time with his family without malice, without regard for reimbursement.

It's not a running debt kind of "owing" them anything. It's just some fucking respect.

[lleeder]

Getting married is, I think, an extenuating circumstance. You are so stressed out and focused on the things you need to personally deal with (actually getting married), that once that is done, it's all almost a blur. Whether Dave and Casey should have invited Fez to the dinner is one thing, but whether it's okay for Dave and Casey to have neglected to make the invitation because they were so overwhelmed by their wedding day is another thing altogether. I think it's a justified mistake.

so what you're basically saying is you blame beanie and patty cakes

[Death Metal Moe]

people goof on fez because the running bit has always bit 'goof on fez' and then he goes 'hey!'. welcome to the ron and fez show 2002 everyone.

Fixed it for ya.

[styckx]

Hmp. Looks like a discussion to me.

Yeah, I'm just in a dirt bag mood and kinda released at the wrong place (sounds hot right?)

I just cracked open a bag of S&V chips to fix that.

[Death Metal Moe]

Getting married is, I think, an extenuating circumstance. You are so stressed out and focused on the things you need to personally deal with (actually getting married), that once that is done, it's all almost a blur. Whether Dave and Casey should have invited Fez to the dinner is one thing, but whether it's okay for Dave and Casey to have neglected to make the invitation because they were so overwhelmed by their wedding day is another thing altogether. I think it's a justified mistake.

I do agree that it was a crazy time for them, and if you wrong someone all you can do is apologize.

That's my other point. Dave is just continuing to break Fez's balls now that he sees he pissed him off. If you don't act sorry you're not sorry. Fez is no one's on-air bitch.

[Serpico1103]

But "new Fez" and "old Fez" both entertain us in different ways. Even at his worst Ron bounced stuff off of him. I have been entertained by the show this whole time.

So, as long as you are entertained I should send in my money?

[Death Metal Moe]

Yeah, I'm just in a dirt bag mood and kinda released at the wrong place (sounds hot right?)

I just cracked open a bag of S&V chips to fix that.

Fuckin' stavin now.

[GreatAmericanZero]

I just don't see it that way. The families are supposed to have some sort of deep discussions that night? They have a whole lifetime to get to know one another. That dinner was a celebration, one that the 2 men responsible for the occasion were excluded from.

Unacceptable.

but he apologized dude. Dave didn't see it from that perspective

you can't see outside of your own perspective? you are talking about what happened that night and what you would believe would be the right thing to do if you were Dave. But you aren't Dave and he didn't see it that way. And he said he made a mistake and apologized. What more can he do?

in your life, you never did anything that someone found rude and you didn't understand why? You never did anything where you didn't think it was a big deal but someone you knew found it to be a really big deal? i would think everyone had a situation like this one and it would be a terrible thing if the person on the other end acted like Fez.

jeez, my parents visited me this weekend and my mom thought i was the biggest asshole in the world because i wouldn't let her buy me a piece of furniture she wanted me to buy. People think differently and part of being an adult is being understanding

[Death Metal Moe]

So, as long as you are entertained I should send in my money?

Point is your opinion isn't anymore right than mine. And I feel that the majority of people are entertained no matter which Fez we get. You obviously are or you wouldn't be here having this discussion, right?

[jetdog]

It's not a running debt kind of "owing" them anything. It's just some fucking respect.

I get it, but as a friend you don't hold something like that against somebody (see also Mikeboy's post)...and having typed this, I think we may have argued ourselves in a circle.
Oh well...I would love nothing more than RnF busting our balls for analyzing this shit to pieces.

[jab]

Fixed it for ya.

heh. but really they know the calls they are getting when they pick up, and i dont think its to hurt fezzie's feelings, its because hearing the words 'homotron 9000' is fucking hilarious.

Yeah, I'm just in a dirt bag mood and kinda released at the wrong place (sounds hot right?)

I just cracked open a bag of S&V chips to fix that.

styckx are you feeling ok? this almost sounds apologetic! :aaw:

[Death Metal Moe]

but he apologized dude. Dave didn't see it from that perspective

you can't see outside of your own perspective? you are talking about what happened that night and what you would believe would be the right thing to do if you were Dave. But you aren't Dave and he didn't see it that way. And he said he made a mistake and apologized. What more can he do?

in your life, you never did anything that someone found rude and you didn't understand why? You never did anything where you didn't think it was a big deal but someone you knew found it to be a really big deal? i would think everyone had a situation like this one and it would be a terrible thing if the person on the other end acted like Fez.

jeez, my parents visited me this weekend and my mom thought i was the biggest asshole in the world because i wouldn't let her buy me a piece of furniture she wanted me to buy. People think differently and part of being an adult is being understanding

When I wrong someone, I don't continue in a direction that shows I'm not actually sorry.

[Death Metal Moe]

heh. but really they know the calls they are getting when they pick up, and i dont think its to hurt fezzie's feelings, its because hearing the words 'homotron 9000' is fucking hilarious.



styckx are you feeling ok? this almost sounds apologetic! :aaw:

Yea, I was lauging at the Homotron line as they picked up my call today, and I was calling in on Fez's side. That was funny.

[jab]

I get it, but as a friend you don't hold something like that against somebody (see also Mikeboy's post)...and having typed this, I think we may have argued ourselves in a circle.
Oh well...I would love nothing more than RnF busting our balls for analyzing this shit to pieces.

and that is why we need eddie van halen.

[jetdog]

When I wrong someone, I don't continue in a direction that shows I'm not actually sorry.

Even if you were an on-air personality for a national radio show?

[Serpico1103]

I just find it amazing that someone without any ANY! healthy relationships (family, friends, romantic) is so confident about how a relationship should work.

His view on lying in a marriage today was just more proof that he doesn't understand relationships.

[Death Metal Moe]

I get it, but as a friend you don't hold something like that against somebody (see also Mikeboy's post)...and having typed this, I think we may have argued ourselves in a circle.
Oh well...I would love nothing more than RnF busting our balls for analyzing this shit to pieces.

Yea, we have argued this in a circle, you, me and everyone else. I guess I've said what I have to say a million times, I'm just gonna leave it. I even get tired of hearing myself talk sometimes.

Whatever the off air truth is I hope Dave and Fez can find a way to stay friends.

[jetdog]

and that is why we need eddie van halen.

Eddie who? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJv5qLsLYoo)

[Death Metal Moe]

I just find it amazing that someone without any ANY! healthy relationships (family, friends, romantic) is so confident about how a relationship should work.

His view on lying in a marriage today was just more proof that he doesn't understand relationships.

Lol, yea. I do have to agree that for a guy who hates being judged, he judges a lot. But again, that's Fez and if that's the way he is, he needs to accept that.

Also, I think a lot of that may be Ron and Fez just taking the opposite side of a topic to get us knucklehead listeners involved.

[Death Metal Moe]

Even if you were an on-air personality for a national radio show?

Yea, as I type all my responses I can just feel 'The Ring Master' Ron Bennington laughing at us all for falling for another brilliant bit. It's hard to say any of this without knowing the whole truth so we speculate with what we hear on air.

And we know that's not full truth.

[Serpico1103]

Point is your opinion isn't anymore right than mine. And I feel that the majority of people are entertained no matter which Fez we get. You obviously are or you wouldn't be here having this discussion, right?

No, I have discussions about world hunger, but I don't consider world hunger entertaining.

Yes, you may have your opinion, and I have mine, that has never been the issue.

Fez, and you seem to agree, thinks that his opinion is right and ESD is not allowed his own. ESD apologized for what may or may not have been a wrong. Fez, like a child, let it bother him for years, until finally bringing it up on the weekend of ESD's anniversary. After, having recently called his wife lazy and a drug abuser. Yeah, nice and cuddly Fez.

[jab]

I just find it amazing that someone without any ANY! healthy relationships (family, friends, romantic) is so confident about how a relationship should work.

how do you know this? because you listen every day? come on.

Eddie who? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJv5qLsLYoo)

thats why we need a triumphant video.

[Caseyelan]

One of the reasons Dave met his wife was his exposure on Ron and Fez.

.

This is not true FYI. He has been friends with Irish Alkey and Silera for years before being on the show and I met him through them.

Kthanx

[Green Lantern]

It could be Fez is off his meds?

[lleeder]

This is not true FYI. He has been friends with Irish Alkey and Silera for years before being on the show and I met him through them.

Kthanx

Yeah but they might not have met if there was no O&A and Ron &Fez Show.
If they never met then Dave wouldn't have been friends with them.
Then you wouldn't have met him through them.
:innocent:

I'm tired.

[Caseyelan]

Yeah but they might not have met if there was no O&A and Ron &Fez Show.
If they never met then Dave wouldn't have been friends with them.
Then you wouldn't have met him through them.
:innocent:

I'm tired.


That's true... But that's also not what was stated.

One of the reasons Dave met his wife was his exposure on Ron and Fez.

[Death Metal Moe]

That's true... But that's also not what was stated.

OK, ya got me on a technicality. You would have physically met Dave even if he wasn't on Ron and Fez.

I think you know what was meant by it though.

[Serpico1103]

how do you know this? because you listen every day? come on.



thats why we need a triumphant video.

I am guessing that was sarcasm.

[GreatAmericanZero]

i hope i meet my wife at a Wilco concert, I'd love to invite Jeff Tweedy to dinner with my family

[jab]

I am guessing that was sarcasm.

nope.

[Serpico1103]

nope.

Since you challenged.
Let us review.

Mother- he resents, yet is drvien to visit every holiday, and can not reveal his secret to.
Father- he seems to like, but does not trust to reveal his secret to.
Brothers and sisters- has not revealed his secret to them, maybe one recently.
Friends- not sure anyone would be considered a real friend. Even Ron, how long did Fez "hide" his secret. How much has Fez struggled to lessen the load on Ron, instead of just remaining in his comfort zone; of loneliness and sorrow.
Co-workers- Earl: couldn't be honest with him, waited until he quit, but wouldn't fire him or ask him to return, ESD: insults his wife, holds a grudge for years, Opie: goes to management instead of talking to O&A
Anyone else?
Name a positive relationship.
But, I am sure that is all a bit for a rube like me to believe.

[jab]

Since you challenged.
Let us review.

Mother- he resents, yet is drvien to visit every holiday, and can not reveal his secret to.
Father- he seems to like, but does not trust to reveal his secret to.
Brothers and sisters- has not revealed his secret to them, maybe one recently.
Friends- not sure anyone would be considered a real friend. Even Ron, how long did Fez "hide" his secret. How much has Fez struggled to lessen the load on Ron, instead of just remaining in his comfort zone; of loneliness and sorrow.
Co-workers- Earl: couldn't be honest with him, waited until he quit, but wouldn't fire him or ask him to return, ESD: insults his wife, holds a grudge for years, Opie: goes to management instead of talking to O&A
Anyone else?
Name a positive relationship.
But, I am sure that is all a bit for a rube like me to believe.


'since i challenged'? what are you, a knight defending someone's honor?

anyway, you are reviewing things you heard on the radio right? am i wrong about this? how do you know his relationships outside of a once 3 hour, now 4 hour show.

[jab]

shit ive been got havent i. whose board character was that.

[chefdoug68]

Yea, as I type all my responses I can just feel 'The Ring Master' Ron Bennington laughing at us all for falling for another brilliant bit. It's hard to say any of this without knowing the whole truth so we speculate with what we hear on air.

And we know that's not full truth.

It's so funny that we feel comfortable and compelled to discuss a show that may be poking us with a sharp stick.

[Caseyelan]

i hope i meet my wife at a Wilco concert, I'd love to invite Jeff Tweedy to dinner with my family

hahhaha

[GreatAmericanZero]

Since you challenged.
Let us review.

Mother- he resents, yet is drvien to visit every holiday, and can not reveal his secret to.
Father- he seems to like, but does not trust to reveal his secret to.
Brothers and sisters- has not revealed his secret to them, maybe one recently.
Friends- not sure anyone would be considered a real friend. Even Ron, how long did Fez "hide" his secret. How much has Fez struggled to lessen the load on Ron, instead of just remaining in his comfort zone; of loneliness and sorrow.
Co-workers- Earl: couldn't be honest with him, waited until he quit, but wouldn't fire him or ask him to return, ESD: insults his wife, holds a grudge for years, Opie: goes to management instead of talking to O&A
Anyone else?
Name a positive relationship.
But, I am sure that is all a bit for a rube like me to believe.

he's mentioned friends he has who i think are genuine. Kathleen from the bronx, flipper, jonah bobo's mom, the commish, whoever's little league game he went to, piano bar friends..i'm sure he has a lot of healthy friendships that he doesn't really get into on the air.

i've actually known a lot of people that are like Fez. I call them people with "disposable friends"...they are good people but you do one thing that slightly offends them and the friendship seems to be over. Actually, most people i've known are like that. i'm sure i've been like that in my life too. I just think, as someone who wants to "get better" they should learn from the mistakes of the past

my only judgment of Fez isn't that Fez is Fez. I love Fez as Fez. Its just that because he complains about his life and doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes its hard to me to sympathize at this point, so i laugh at him

[ShowerBench]

Dave is comfortable with who he is and is happy in his life. Fez makes the audience sympathize with his problems and feel bad for him, and then he does these things like living in the past and holding silly grudges that show absolutley no effort in him trying to make himself better. Its like someone complaining about how hard it is to lose weight, but then eats chocolate donuts all day long...

I think disclosing these grievances now does represent an effort by Fez to try to make himself better.

Everyone has told him forever that he's too nice and needs to stop trying to figure out what is in everyone's heads as far as expectations of him, and then trying to behave in a way that accommodates those expectations. Maybe that was why he held a grudge this long instead of saying something.

Everyone has been urging him to take positions on the show that are different from Ron's. He has obviously been trying to do that, and to defend those positions. Sure, his streams of consciousness on topics like mass deer relocation and dead pilot protocol take us to some unorthodox places, but these are probably his first attempts he's made to rock the boat in his entire life.

So it's obvious he's making efforts now to fix certain aspects of his personality that people have told him to change.

He might be alienating a pretty good friend in the process, but maybe he thinks his life depends on it, and that's his call to make. Same goes for any secrets he might decide to disclose to his family. Right now it sounds like he recognizes that he has to be willing to be loathed, disapproved of, and ridiculed (all of which are happening daily now on Ron and Fez) instead of "liked by everyone."

Discovering he didn't die from people not liking his opinions or behavior will likely mitigate some of his inner turmoil/conflict and egocentrism. Then, ironically, he probably will be "liked by everyone."

[Serpico1103]

he's mentioned friends he has who i think are genuine. Kathleen from the bronx, flipper, jonah bobo's mom, the commish, whoever's little league game he went to, piano bar friends..i'm sure he has a lot of healthy friendships that he doesn't really get into on the air.
i've actually known a lot of people that are like Fez. I call them people with "disposable friends"...they are good people but you do one thing that slightly offends them and the friendship seems to be over. Actually, most people i've known are like that. i'm sure i've been like that in my life too. I just think, as someone who wants to "get better" they should learn from the mistakes of the past
my only judgment of Fez isn't that Fez is Fez. I love Fez as Fez. Its just that because he complains about his life and doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes its hard to me to sympathize at this point, so i laugh at him

I don't think any of those qualify as real relationships. They are either long distance, where you can pretend to be someone, or even the close people he has not opened up to for the most part.

Again, Fez's problem is that he knows he has a problem yet he thinks his viewpoint is right.
If you wanted a house built and you saw that the contractor's house was sliding off the foundation, would you hire him?
Fez should say, "Wow, I was really hurt by ESD. But, I guess I am putting more into this then it deserves. I blow other little things out of proportion, so I guess this is another one. I am hurt, but I will try to accept ESD's apology and move on."
Instead of,"I am right, I am right, I am right."

[Serpico1103]

'since i challenged'? what are you, a knight defending someone's honor?

anyway, you are reviewing things you heard on the radio right? am i wrong about this? how do you know his relationships outside of a once 3 hour, now 4 hour show.

I love how Ron mentions "bit" and everyone scurries away like everything on the show is an elaborate bit.

For almost a decade the story has not changed. Fez wakes up, calls Ron, nervously boards a train, paces until Ron shows up, does a radio show, returns home, vacuums, orders diner food, watches wrestling or reality TV, read People, goes to bed, REPEAT

Yeah, they agreed on that story years ago, and no one has deviated. That is Fez's life. Nothing is hidden. His secret? Yeah, not much of a secret. Every "date" he goes on Ron's brings up in a round about way.
When would they have these elaborate bit planning meetings? The minute Ron gets there as the show starts?

[ShowerBench]

Whether Dave and Casey should have invited Fez to the dinner is one thing, but whether it's okay for Dave and Casey to have neglected to make the invitation because they were so overwhelmed by their wedding day is another thing altogether. I think it's a justified mistake.

If it's a mistake they should regret, and they offer an apology, should it be accompanied by sneering? Don't get me wrong, Dave's Tourette's was funny as usual, but I thought Fez's grudge was even better.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Again, Fez's problem is that he knows he has a problem yet he thinks his viewpoint is right.


thats an accurate statement

sometimes i feel odd talking about the R&F show because I want to talk about it like its storylines on a tv show but then you get into discussions about what they are really like and it becomes this weird complicated mess in my head

like, i can watch the show "House" and say to myself "Dr. House was a real asshole in that scene..i can't believe he was such a dick" but that doesn't mean its a bad show or i dislike House...its just fun talking about the show.

I think Fez has been pretty crazy recently in the way hes been reacting to Dave. But its entertaining as hell. That "jim ieyritz" thing was hilarious. And I think Dave is really good and keeping things funny even when Fez seems to have a "serious" problem with him. I think the show is top notch...Fez's mental stability? eh, no big deal

[jab]

I love how Ron mentions "bit" and everyone scurries away like everything on the show is an elaborate bit.

yes, how can fez possibly know people outside of the show. :wallbash: dimwit.

[ToiletCrusher]

This tread sucks!

[Foster]

I love how Ron mentions "bit" and everyone scurries away like everything on the show is an elaborate bit.



you do realize the "nature boy" was never really in the studio right?

[jab]

you do realize the "nature boy" was never really in the studio right?

next youre gonna say they never talked to andre the giant.

[ToiletCrusher]

Wait, Ron didn't interview a zombie?

[Hottub]

I'm glad all of you amateur psycologists are here for analysis.

[Foster]

next youre gonna say they never talked to andre the giant.

don't be a dope, only one man sounds like that

[jab]

don't be a dope, only one man sounds like that

i shall review that challenge.

[ToiletCrusher]

I'm glad all of you amateur psycologists are here for analysis.

You want to have sex with your mother.


Pay me!

[Hottub]

You want to have sex with your mother.


Pay me!

Only because your mom is on the rag.

[ToiletCrusher]

Only because your mom is on the rag.

Oh NOEZ YOU didunt!!!!!!!111!!!1!!1!!!1

[jab]

oh dip.

[Foster]

Wait, Ron didn't interview a zombie?

sorry that was Robert Osborne

[Hottub]

sorry that was Robert Osborne

Oh snap!

[Serpico1103]

yes, how can fez possibly know people outside of the show. :wallbash: dimwit.

Fez does know people outside of the show.
Maybe if you listened you would remember a show where Ron asked Fez to name his friends. Fez had trouble naming any. Then the ones he did name Ron easily pointed out how they were not really friends, more acquaintances.

Keep believing that Fez is leading some life that doesn't get mentioned on the air, but it isn't happening.

Maybe you remember when they were comparing Earl's and Fez's life, who was more social. Fez had to admit that while Earl had social issues he was more social BECAUSE all Fez did was go home and vacuum.

Sure, they do The Nature Boy, Fezatorials, Andre, Ron interviews Zombies, but these are all short scripted bits, not a decade long free flowing "Fez is really a social butterfly" cover up.

I know I am the rube, because I think Fez has social issues and is sad and lonely.

[ToiletCrusher]

Fez does know people outside of the show.
Maybe if you listened you would remember a show where Ron asked Fez to name his friends. Fez had trouble naming any. Then the ones he did name Ron easily pointed out how they were not really friends, more acquaintances.

Keep believing that Fez is leading some life that doesn't get mentioned on the air, but it isn't happening.

Maybe you remember when they were comparing Earl's and Fez's life, who was more social. Fez had to admit that while Earl had social issues he was more social BECAUSE all Fez did was go home and vacuum.

Sure, they do The Nature Boy, Fezatorials, Andre, Ron interviews Zombies, but these are all short scripted bits, not a decade long free flowing "Fez is really a social butterfly" cover up.

I know I am the rube, because I think Fez has social issues and is sad and lonely.

Niagara Falls!

[Foster]

I know I am the rube,.


Hey Tub can you do something with this?

[Hottub]

Hey Tub can you do something with this?

Done and done.

[jab]

Fez does know people outside of the show.
Maybe if you listened you would remember a show where Ron asked Fez to name his friends. Fez had trouble naming any. Then the ones he did name Ron easily pointed out how they were not really friends, more acquaintances.

Keep believing that Fez is leading some life that doesn't get mentioned on the air, but it isn't happening.

Maybe you remember when they were comparing Earl's and Fez's life, who was more social. Fez had to admit that while Earl had social issues he was more social BECAUSE all Fez did was go home and vacuum.

Sure, they do The Nature Boy, Fezatorials, Andre, Ron interviews Zombies, but these are all short scripted bits, not a decade long free flowing "Fez is really a social butterfly" cover up.

I know I am the rube, because I think Fez has social issues and is sad and lonely.

you are in love with fez.

[ToiletCrusher]

Done and done.

While you're at it, I'm game for something fresh!

[Serpico1103]

you are in love with fez.

you are love with me.

[Juliejulez]

I said it before, I'll say it again.
If Fez was invited, he wouldn't show up.
Dave proved it on the air today.
Fez is always invited to things, he doesn't show.
People are called something when they don't ever show up...FLAKES!!!:annoyed:

[jab]

you are love with me.

somehow i have the feeling you would flip out if i said something and then did something else. you will believe everything i say and then throw a chair if something changes. it will never work between us. i am sorry.

[Serpico1103]

somehow i have the feeling you would flip out if i said something and then did something else. you will believe everything i say and then throw a chair if something changes. it will never work between us. i am sorry.

I never loved you. And your lack of capital letters has always been an irritant to me. However, you are not worth a tantrum. Don't be sorry, just be gone.

[jab]

I never loved you. And your lack of capital letters has always been an irritant to me.

you are paying to much attention to things. this is creepy. and yet im tempted to use that for a sig quote lol

edit- thats right, i spelled 'too' wrong.

[Hottub]

I misspelled legally, today.

[West.Coast.Skippy]

I never loved you. And your lack of capital letters has always been an irritant to me. However, you are not worth a tantrum. Don't be sorry, just be gone.

you kind of have a deal with holding on to trivial irritants. 'serpico just let it go'

[Foster]

you kind of have a deal with holding on to trivial irritants. 'serpico just let it go'

holy shit, serpico is fez!

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

I'm glad all of you amateur psycologists are here for analysis.

No psycologists here sir; just psychologists. I'm so :banning:.

[drjoek]

I think what struck me most today was that Fez was pissed by being attacked by the fans who emailed him this weekend more than being pissed at Dave. He was justifiably pissed and was taking it out on ESD

[Serpico1103]

you are paying to much attention to things. this is creepy. and yet im tempted to use that for a sig quote lol

edit- thats right, i spelled 'too' wrong.

you kind of have a deal with holding on to trivial irritants. 'serpico just let it go'

holy shit, serpico is fez!

Made it all about me! :laugh:

[weav]

I can't believe people would actually e-mail Fez about a show bit...get a life.

[WampusCrandle]

now i feel silly - what happened? i'm not caught up with audible yet.

[Death Metal Moe]

I can't believe people would actually e-mail Fez about a show bit...get a life.

That part really did scare me. I've been listening to Ron and Fez since 2001 and the ONLY time I've ever Emailed anyone on the show was to thank them for playing my band's songs on their show.

It would never even cross my mind to write them about on air shit, problems I have or any bullshit of that nature.

[weav]

All these posuers just want to date Ron...a bunch of fucking hanger-ons that feel like they are owed something. It's a bunch of shit, frankly. If they actually listened to the show they'd realize how little Ron likes fucking hanger-ons and lackeys.

I don't always agree with Fez, but it also isn't my place to. I am just trying to enjoy a radio show, end of discussion. He can be as bat-shit insane as he wants, it makes me no nevermind. if I didn't like Fez, i wouldn't listen. E-mailing him is pathetic.

[Death Metal Moe]

I think Ron would be a great date. He'd take you out to a fine place to eat, some cinema, but he'd expect you to service Lil' Snoots after all that.

[West.Coast.Skippy]

just re-listened on audible... you could guess that conflict was imminent when esd gave a lukewarm review of the movie and fez responded, 'no surprise esd disagreed with me.'

this show gave me more respect for eds's talents. he did buckle a little. during the live read he teased fez, though if you listened closely, ron started it. but overall he took yet another brutal and - imho - unfair lashing from a raving madman (who cheaply pulled rank at one point leaving dave briefly dazed) and tried to stay above water, keep laughing, and making lighter radio. sometimes it seems that if fez was in charge of the show, we'd be listening to jerry springer for 4 hours. whereas esd consistently cares, really fundamentally, about doing anything for a laugh. thank you esd :drunk:

[CruelCircus]

I'm so sick of these cocksuckers on the phone calling up and taking their free shots at Fez just because Ron starts a couple jabs at him. That doesn't make it open season on Fez.

In fairness, Ron doesn't have to take those calls.
If they thought those callers were so terrible, they wouldn't put them on the air.

[PapaBear]

In fairness, Ron doesn't have to take those calls.
If they thought those callers were so terrible, they wouldn't put them on the air.
You're assuming they have actual call screeners now.

[CruelCircus]

You're assuming they have actual call screeners now.

He knows their names and where their from, doesn't he?

[GreatAmericanZero]

i think i can't relate to those who think "Fez should've been invited" because...have any of you ever been in a situation where you had to eat dinner with your friend's family? It fucking sucks! Who would ever want to do that? You can't curse..you have to be extra polite...you can't bring up controversial issues..its just lame as fuck.

Its not like Fez wasn't invited to a grand event, it was two families eating dinner. I don't understand whats so great about it that he should feel bad that he wasn't included

All i've heard about this situation was on this board and the show, but if i had to put together clues, i would think the only reason htg was there was just because shes really good at being friendly and keeping conversations going and keeping everything positive and fun. Which the bride and groom would most likely need being that they just had this crazy/unique wedding and then would have to switch over to "lets eat dinner with a new family" mode. It appears to me that htg was doing a favor by showing up. Not only do i think that Fez shouldnt have been invited, I think htg should get a beanie cup for just showing up (which would be good because i feel like the show has been snubbing her of beanie cups lately)!

[ToiletCrusher]

I don't know about the whole "you can't say certain things around a friend's family" thing.

I guess it depends on the crowd. Given the crowd in question, given Dave's antics (albeit, he can act like a gentleman when he needs to) and given the career that the two families in question are fully aware of Dave being involved in, I doubt very much that not being able to speak freely was anything close to a concern.

As for HTG and her being there, ask her what she edited out of her post in this thread.

She was and is (I assume still) a very close friend of Casey. End of conversation.

I'd invite a close friend of mine too, no matter who they might also be associated with.

[TjM]

Also, I think a lot of that may be Ron and Fez just taking the opposite side of a topic to get us knucklehead listeners involved.

True when they talked about Fez being crazy for tipping the gas guy I could have sworn Ron used to always say he tips everybody

[bodie406]

honestly I hated Dave but as time goes by I see the "comedic" genius its a gift just like but not equal to the great Ronnie B conversely as time goes by I find myself thinking just how much I dislike the"new" Fez he has turned into a fukn bitter old queen the thread should be JUST LET FEZ GO!!!

[jlehane3]

He had his decades,his riches,his media hype,his sweepstakes,his beer....let him go Fez. God must have needed another Yes Man. http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a65/j3lehane/HughDownsLaughTrak.gif :thumbup: You are RIGHT SIR !

[foodcourtdruide]

This thread is long and I don't want to read the whole thing, but let me just say.. even if Fez is wrong I love that he's standing up for what he actually thinks and not just pandering to Ron and others and saying what they want to hear. Fez has been awesome lately, even if I don't agree with him.

[Farthammer]

This is the way Fez is. I'm so sick of everyone else saying Fez is wrong and Fez has to change but people like Dave or Earl get to just say "This is the zany me, love it or leave it."

Fuck that, Fez gets hurt and Fez holds grudges. That's part of who he is, fucking deal with it. I'm so sick of these cocksuckers on the phone calling up and taking their free shots at Fez just because Ron starts a couple jabs at him. That doesn't make it open season on Fez.

What did you really expect to happen? It's 2 years later, so fucking what? If it never got worked out the problem is still there. Did Fez let too long go? I don't know, no one seemed to give a fuck the 2 guys who were responsible for the wedding and honeymoon were invited to the after dinner, maybe he was just waiting to see if Dave ever noticed the problem.

The point is it was disrespectful and Dave's on air attitude towards Fez isn't helping things at all. Everyone says "Well what is Dave supposed to do now 2 years later?" Sure, Dave SAID he's sorry, how about you fucking act like it. Not continue to take your jabs and half-whispered comments at Fez, continuing into a live read.

All you can do is apologize to someone you wronged and try to move on but when you don't act sorry, and then continue to break balls, you weren't sorry at all.


Calm down.

[Farthammer]

These two gloomy guses need to share a soda pop and a hug. Then they'll be a bowl of sunshine

AMEN

[Death Metal Moe]

Calm down.

No.

And good addition to the thread.

[Farthammer]

No.

And good addition to the thread.

Please.

I know.

[Death Metal Moe]

Please.

I know.

OK dude, I'll bite.

I have to say that I felt VERY calm on my end, honestly. I wasn't in a frenzy when I wrote my responses, hitting F5 constantly, waiting for people to challenge me. I was just online last night drinking a few beers as I discussed things with other members.

This thread is actually one of the most civil discussions about Fez and Dave I've seen in awhile and feel it's a positive step in the right direction.

So I am calm, it's just a radio show. But it's a show we all have somewhat strong feelings about from time to time and it seems especially on this topic.

[MacVittie]

Honestly you can't expect Dave not to take shots at Fez when he talks about insane things like giving money to a gas station attendant. Fez needs another stay in four winds for admitting to behaving like that. It goes against every social construct we have in 21st century society.

[Farthammer]

OK dude, I'll bite.

I have to say that I felt VERY calm on my end, honestly. I wasn't in a frenzy when I wrote my responses, hitting F5 constantly, waiting for people to challenge me. I was just online last night drinking a few beers as I discussed things with other members.

This thread is actually one of the most civil discussions about Fez and Dave I've seen in awhile and feel it's a positive step in the right direction.

So I am calm, it's just a radio show. But it's a show we all have somewhat strong feelings about from time to time and it seems especially on this topic.

Ok sounds good.

[hydee]

Honestly you can't expect Dave not to take shots at Fez when he talks about insane things like giving money to a gas station attendant. Fez needs another stay in four winds for admitting to behaving like that. It goes against every social construct we have in 21st century society.


I don't think shots need to be taken period. Regardless of what Fez decides to do with his money or his life there is no reason to be cruel or mean or take shots because Ron is taking them.

I find a lot of the negative or less happy interactions with Fez and Dave start because Ron starts in on Fez,and dave starts feeling his oats and joins in. What needs to happen is Fez needs to stand up for himself without resorting to digging up past grudges or insults to Dave's family.

He needs to jump on Dave and make him realize that it's his name on the show and that Dave does have a place in the pecking order. I just can't see that happening and the longer it goes on Fez is never going to get the upper hand in this relationship.

[MacVittie]

I don't think shots need to be taken period. Regardless of what Fez decides to do with his money or his life there is no reason to be cruel or mean or take shots because Ron is taking them.

I find a lot of the negative or less happy interactions with Fez and Dave start because Ron starts in on Fez,and dave starts feeling his oats and joins in. What needs to happen is Fez needs to stand up for himself without resorting to digging up past grudges or insults to Dave's family.

He needs to jump on Dave and make him realize that it's his name on the show and that Dave does have a place in the pecking order. I just can't see that happening and the longer it goes on Fez is never going to get the upper hand in this relationship.

I was being sarcastic, that's why my post was in italics.

[Death Metal Moe]

I don't think shots need to be taken period. Regardless of what Fez decides to do with his money or his life there is no reason to be cruel or mean or take shots because Ron is taking them.

I find a lot of the negative or less happy interactions with Fez and Dave start because Ron starts in on Fez,and dave starts feeling his oats and joins in. What needs to happen is Fez needs to stand up for himself without resorting to digging up past grudges or insults to Dave's family.

He needs to jump on Dave and make him realize that it's his name on the show and that Dave does have a place in the pecking order. I just can't see that happening and the longer it goes on Fez is never going to get the upper hand in this relationship.

Yea MacVittie was being sarcastic, but I agree with you none the less.

[TjM]

ALlright finnaly heard the replay.


Dave was a fucking dick during the live read.

[jetdog]

ALlright finnaly heard the replay.


Dave was a fucking dick during the live read.

Yea, but it was fuckin hilarious!

[Dan 'Hampton]

ALlright finnaly heard the replay.


Dave was a fucking dick during the live read.

Bit! Holy hell.

[Serpico1103]

I like ow Ron directs the conversation into a fight between Fez and ESD. He throws in insults at Fez, eggs on ESD, starts a "stupid" chant, but if ESD giggles Fez is all over him.

Man up Fez. Insult Ron, yell back at Ron. But, I guess making snide comments about his stay at home wife is easier.

[Hilge]

When Fez said he was coming out of a frog, do you think he shot his load on the frog's back or the frog's face?

angry Fez = better Fez. At least he's talking now...

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Just reacting to a tiny piece of this "debate", but the whole Fez needs to learn to stand up for himself garbage that a lot of you lunkheads have been spewing these past X years is getting to the point where it's nauseating. He's not a 7 year old child who is getting picked on by a group of teenagers. He's not going to learn jack shit about "standing up for himself" at this age, and if he ever made a conscious effort to "stand up for himself", he'll not know what he's doing, overdo the whole thing, and make himself look and feel worse. So all this psuedo-life advice that people are prattling like they're his fucking enabling mothers is not helping. And you're pretentious scum for thinking it does.

Fuck you all who disagree with me. (except DMM, he's aight)

[mikeyboy]

What did Fez just let go?

[CofyCrakCocaine]

What did Fez just let go?

I have a million replies to that one.

[Death Metal Moe]

Fuck you all who disagree with me. (except DMM, he's aight)

This one's for you bra!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/njdmmoe/Picture008.jpg

[Tall_James]

This one's for you bra!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/njdmmoe/Picture008.jpg

You're looking more and more like our Lord and saviour every day.

Praise Moe!

[Tall_James]

This one's for you bra!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/njdmmoe/Picture008.jpg

You look just like "Skiing Jesus"!!!

http://catholicshopper.com/products/media/DE_3986.jpg

[CofyCrakCocaine]

It's been 1987 since I last saw the show so forgive me if I'm off, but he kinda also reminds me of one of the giants in Fraggle Rock.

[Death Metal Moe]

It's been 1987 since I last saw the show so forgive me if I'm off, but he kinda also reminds me of one of the giants in Fraggle Rock.

Im going to go piss out that beer I tipped to you in an angry fashion.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Im going to go piss out that beer I tipped to you in an angry fashion.

What'd that toilet rim ever do to you?!?!?!? :glurps:

[paulisded]

i hope i meet my wife at a Wilco concert, I'd love to invite Jeff Tweedy to dinner with my family

I always wanted to meet my wife at a replacements show. Too bad that will never happen.

[Serpico1103]

Yeah. ESD knew that Fez made unbreakable plans in Fl., then he and his wife conspired to throw a B-day party in AC. They would invite Fez, know he wouldn't be able to break his mysterious plans, and ESD could claim high road status. :wallbash:

Fez wants to change, but he continues the same routine- definition of insanity.

ESD laughs because he is unable to deal with Fez's "issues" without getting nervous. He probably should yell at him," Come or don't come, but stop this BS about how I exclude you. Get your shit together and then focus on your relationships." But, ESD is not in a position to yell at his boss.

[paulisded]

Yeah. ESD knew that Fez made unbreakable plans in Fl., then he and his wife conspired to throw a B-day party in AC. They would invite Fez, know he wouldn't be able to break his mysterious plans, and ESD could claim high road status. :wallbash:

Fez wants to change, but he continues the same routine- definition of insanity.

ESD laughs because he is unable to deal with Fez's "issues" without getting nervous. He probably should yell at him," Come or don't come, but stop this BS about how I exclude you. Get your shit together and then focus on your relationships." But, ESD is not in a position to yell at his boss.

I really do hate that all of these little fights creates a line in the sand on this board. Saying you agree with Dave makes you anti-Fez and vice versa. It makes no sense - I'm a fan of both of these people.

Yet, in the dinner and summer party debate, I do have to side with Dave but either way I don't understand that passion of certain people. No offense, Moe, but I've read more words from you on this subject than everything else combined over the couple of years I've been here. What can Dave do to convince you that he is sorry about whatever mixup occurred TWO years ago?

As for the party, it is ridiculous to think that Dave and Casey sat around earlier this week and decided to make Fez feel bad. They have vacation time coming up - of course that's the time that everybody on the show would be making plans for trips, parties, etc. Should Dave and Casey do absolutely nothing during that time because Fez will be in Florida? Of course not. Fez, like the others that were invited, have to decide whether the event will work in their schedule.

BTW, why is nobody busting Ron's balls for playing that audio clip over and over all day? Any small comment Dave makes adds fuel to the fire of these debates, but clearly Ron does more to push Fez's buttons than anybody...as he should, as it makes for great radio.

[jab]

I really do hate that all of these little fights creates a line in the sand on this board. Saying you agree with Dave makes you anti-Fez and vice versa. It makes no sense - I'm a fan of both of these people.

Yet, in the dinner and summer party debate, I do have to side with Dave but either way I don't understand that passion of certain people. No offense, Moe, but I've read more words from you on this subject than everything else combined over the couple of years I've been here. What can Dave do to convince you that he is sorry about whatever mixup occurred TWO years ago?

As for the party, it is ridiculous to think that Dave and Casey sat around earlier this week and decided to make Fez feel bad. They have vacation time coming up - of course that's the time that everybody on the show would be making plans for trips, parties, etc. Should Dave and Casey do absolutely nothing during that time because Fez will be in Florida? Of course not. Fez, like the others that were invited, have to decide whether the event will work in their schedule.

BTW, why is nobody busting Ron's balls for playing that audio clip over and over all day? Any small comment Dave makes adds fuel to the fire of these debates, but clearly Ron does more to push Fez's buttons than anybody...as he should, as it makes for great radio.

hater.

[stormy1065]

No one will bust ronnies balls. You should know that.

[Evolved]

I really do hate that all of these little fights creates a line in the sand on this board. Saying you agree with Dave makes you anti-Fez and vice versa. It makes no sense - I'm a fan of both of these people.

Yet, in the dinner and summer party debate, I do have to side with Dave but either way I don't understand that passion of certain people. No offense, Moe, but I've read more words from you on this subject than everything else combined over the couple of years I've been here. What can Dave do to convince you that he is sorry about whatever mixup occurred TWO years ago?

As for the party, it is ridiculous to think that Dave and Casey sat around earlier this week and decided to make Fez feel bad. They have vacation time coming up - of course that's the time that everybody on the show would be making plans for trips, parties, etc. Should Dave and Casey do absolutely nothing during that time because Fez will be in Florida? Of course not. Fez, like the others that were invited, have to decide whether the event will work in their schedule.

BTW, why is nobody busting Ron's balls for playing that audio clip over and over all day? Any small comment Dave makes adds fuel to the fire of these debates, but clearly Ron does more to push Fez's buttons than anybody...as he should, as it makes for great radio.

Completely agree with all of this. Particularly the last paragraph about Ron.

[Serpico1103]

BTW, why is nobody busting Ron's balls for playing that audio clip over and over all day? Any small comment Dave makes adds fuel to the fire of these debates, but clearly Ron does more to push Fez's buttons than anybody...as he should, as it makes for great radio.

I mentioned earlier that Ron is the shit stirrer. But, Fez lets him slide, while taking out his angry on ESD.

[red_red_red]

I really do hate that all of these little fights creates a line in the sand on this board. Saying you agree with Dave makes you anti-Fez and vice versa. It makes no sense - I'm a fan of both of these people.

Yet, in the dinner and summer party debate, I do have to side with Dave but either way I don't understand that passion of certain people. No offense, Moe, but I've read more words from you on this subject than everything else combined over the couple of years I've been here. What can Dave do to convince you that he is sorry about whatever mixup occurred TWO years ago?

As for the party, it is ridiculous to think that Dave and Casey sat around earlier this week and decided to make Fez feel bad. They have vacation time coming up - of course that's the time that everybody on the show would be making plans for trips, parties, etc. Should Dave and Casey do absolutely nothing during that time because Fez will be in Florida? Of course not. Fez, like the others that were invited, have to decide whether the event will work in their schedule.

BTW, why is nobody busting Ron's balls for playing that audio clip over and over all day? Any small comment Dave makes adds fuel to the fire of these debates, but clearly Ron does more to push Fez's buttons than anybody...as he should, as it makes for great radio.
there might have been a time when i needed an explanation of the ron and fez show, but after 3 or 4 years, i do not. perhaps some people are stupid and have no comprehension?
i quit listening today after a certain person called in, just throwing that out there :thumbdown: