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West.Coast.Skippy
06-12-2009, 07:46 AM
about three weeks ago i bought a year's subscription to ron and fez via audible for $35.

the reasons i subscribed were: xm charging for online access, the show lengthening and starting an hour earlier, replays starting an hour later, and the replay schedule on the weekend. listening on audible addresses the last points by allowing on-demand listening with the ability to pause and replay.

the audio quality is fine, but more grainy and dynamically compressed than through my marantz xm tuner. it's great having the commercials omitted. just imagine- not enduring obnoxious commercials in premium content you pay for. i really like that the files are encoded with section breaks typically aligned with the commercial breaks. someone (tanley?) goes to the trouble of writing a thorough rundown that covers 90% of the show... handy. each file is about 35 MB. the download and streaming buffer is very fast. and due to the cumbersome audiblemanager windows client, i usually stream the show.

the desktop software is a weakness of the services. i had two mp3 players handy before subscribing, one from sony and one from iriver. both of them are recent models. neither is 'supported' by audible. understand that the audible files have use restrictions that require the host to implement a propitiatory mechanism. i have ordered a sansa clip that is advertised as audible-compatible. if you hope to podcast your subscription, check first if your device supports audible. and speaking of podcasts, the automatic downloading helper app is unreliable. it usually doesn't grab the show and when it does, the file isn't loaded into audiblemanager's library (think itunes), despite this option being enabled. could i browse forums and uninstall / reinstall the software? yes, but if it takes hours to function correctly, it doesn't function correctly!

there are a number of bugs and inconsistencies that speak to a niche or hurried product. for some reason, the audiblemanager progress bar doesn't display the length of the show correctly. the progress bar keeps inching along past its right boundary, and you can't click within the progress bar to seek the audio. there must be an issue with escaped characters in the download manager because 'ron & fez' always shows up just as 'ron ' (and the label doesn't include the date of the show, either). back in audiblemanager, the file names are inconsistent in the formatting for the date and show name, making sorting a pain. a nice touch in the client is remembering your playback position on the current file if you close and reopen audiblemanager.

if you're listening from a pc, you can stream the show and sidestep the clunky audible manager. a helper app from audible appears to give section break controls. although this isn't perfect - the stream has caused windows media player to crash about once a week - it is the easiest way for me to listen throughout the day.

assuming 6 weeks vacation a year for the show, each new episode costs 15 cents with a year's subscription. a topic that's made rounds many times over online is micropayments. a micropayment could be a fraction of a cent to check the weather, 2 cents for a new york times editorial, or a quarter for an episode of the office. i think audible's subscriptions represent this concept well. but truly, siri must recognize the demand for ip-delivered, live and on-demand original programming. if they have any brains, they are developing a platform to 'out audible' audible, itunes, amazon, and others in the very near future.

KingModem
06-12-2009, 07:53 AM
Me too.

nate1000
06-12-2009, 07:53 AM
I podcast the show through audible to my ipod- never had a problem. just plug it in at night and it is ready to go in the am.

Goatweed
06-12-2009, 08:38 AM
since you mentioned moving to audible in lieu of paying for online, I'm going to assume you have another unit from which you can hear XM - why not just record the show off of it? You can use Audacity to grab and I'm pretty sure its easy to edit out the commercials - plus you can control the bitrate and even split it up into manageable chucks (at the show breaks, for example).

it's not about the cost since 15 cents is nothing, but it seems there's a lot of issues with their software, not to mention your media player requiring Audible compatibility. If you record your own mp3s, you'll be right as rain.

West.Coast.Skippy
06-12-2009, 08:48 AM
since you mentioned moving to audible in lieu of paying for online, I'm going to assume you have another unit from which you can hear XM - why not just record the show off of it? You can use Audacity to grab and I'm pretty sure its easy to edit out the commercials - plus you can control the bitrate and even split it up into manageable chucks (at the show breaks, for example).

it's not about the cost since 15 cents is nothing, but it seems there's a lot of issues with their software, not to mention your media player requiring Audible compatibility. If you record your own mp3s, you'll be right as rain.

you're right, that's possible. but for me, the time required to do that would outweigh the subscription cost.

something i forgot to include for anyone curious- the show is consistently uploaded 3 to 3.5 hours after the end of broadcast.

Goatweed
06-12-2009, 08:58 AM
you're right, that's possible. but for me, the time required to do that would outweigh the subscription cost.

something i forgot to include for anyone curious- the show is consistently uploaded 3 to 3.5 hours after the end of broadcast.

well time is $$, but it seems that you have a lot more cons to pros with the scenario as it is, except for the time involved at least.

Drunk Dialer
06-12-2009, 07:13 PM
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the desktop software is a weakness of the services. i had two mp3 players handy before subscribing, one from sony and one from iriver. both of them are recent models. neither is 'supported' by audible. understand that the audible files have use restrictions that require the host to implement a propitiatory mechanism. i have ordered a sansa clip that is advertised as audible-compatible. if you hope to podcast your subscription, check first if your device supports audible. and speaking of podcasts, the automatic downloading helper app is unreliable. it usually doesn't grab the show and when it does, the file isn't loaded into audiblemanager's library (think itunes), despite this option being enabled. could i browse forums and uninstall / reinstall the software? yes, but if it takes hours to function correctly, it doesn't function correctly!


I download pretty much every show and have never had an issue with the download manager. It's been 100% reliable for me. If you have an ipod/iphone you don't need install the audiblemanager... the download manager automatically imports the show into your itunes library. From what you're saying it sounds like other media-players aren't always as painless, though. :(

West.Coast.Skippy
06-12-2009, 08:26 PM
I download pretty much every show and have never had an issue with the download manager. It's been 100% reliable for me. If you have an ipod/iphone you don't need install the audiblemanager... the download manager automatically imports the show into your itunes library. From what you're saying it sounds like other media-players aren't always as painless, though. :(

yup, i'm sure that what you and nate say is true. if a person wants r&f on demand, audible is worth it even with the eccentricities i wrote about, which as you inform the thread are not universal, and maybe not even common. and, i'm picky about software. it is too easy, and too common, to program something that only works 95% of the time (or to put it another way, for 95% of your users). and incidentally, their streaming and the windows media player integration is good enough that i'd expect their emphasis on a thick windows client to shift to flash and on demand delivery.

JBLouisville
06-12-2009, 10:54 PM
Audible is awesome.

I have a Zune and its one click, and bam, the show is on my device.

There is a problem in the Manger with the timebar.

Small..Balls
06-13-2009, 09:27 AM
You can set up iTunes to automatically dowload your audible subscriptions like any other podcast. It's somewhere in the subscription options for your audible account. It's easy.

My iTunes downloads the new Ron and Fez everyday around 5:30, and then I just drag and drop it onto my iPhone. Piece of cake. I never have to open any of that audible software (I agree with you, it blows)





I'm one of the people that made the switch from XM to audible. It's way more convenient for me, and cheaper too.

instrument
06-13-2009, 09:42 AM
Someone e-mail me the cliffnotes for this "review"

Drunk Dialer
06-13-2009, 11:14 AM
yup, i'm sure that what you and nate say is true. if a person wants r&f on demand, audible is worth it even with the eccentricities i wrote about, which as you inform the thread are not universal, and maybe not even common. and, i'm picky about software. it is too easy, and too common, to program something that only works 95% of the time (or to put it another way, for 95% of your users). and incidentally, their streaming and the windows media player integration is good enough that i'd expect their emphasis on a thick windows client to shift to flash and on demand delivery.

I'm with you... as a software engineer I'm very picky about software also (and understand your statement about buggy applications).

A couple of years back I had downloaded the AudibleManager (to transfer O&A episodes to a Palm device) and was anything but impressed. I'd loathe to even have it installed on my system. The Download Manager is lightweight enough and has been reliable (for me), though.

GameRelatedSig
06-14-2009, 06:36 AM
I've been using Audible for a few months now, and other than the occasional late show, I've had no real problems.

aquamonkey
06-14-2009, 01:51 PM
I podcast the show through audible to my ipod- never had a problem. just plug it in at night and it is ready to go in the am.

I use an iPod and iTunes as well and I have no complaints. I can't speak for how well it works when using the audible software though.

Through iTunes I can sync the show to multiple iPods. Now my wife is a fan of the show as well. Certainly worth the money at $35 a year.

I still have XM in the house and car. I like the idea of listening to the show live best of all, but can't always make it happen with my work schedule.

Hosstetler
06-14-2009, 05:39 PM
SoundTaxi (http://www.soundtaxi.info/)+ Audible Download ManagerŪ for Windows Media Player 11 (http://www.audible.com/adbl/site/softwareWizard/SoftwareOtherOptions.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes)

Make MP3s from Audible files.

The audible folks are very aggressive about deterring people from converting their files so write it down. :tinfoilhat:

RENFIELD
06-14-2009, 05:56 PM
my mp3 player isn't supported by audible...
instead of getting a new one...

i went a completely different way...
you can get a 1 gig sansa player (the old kind)
from buy.com for under $20

holds music, has an fm tuner... AND A VOICE RECORDER
(runs on 1 AAA battery.. i use recharge-able.. same ones for years)

when i go to bed...
i turn on 202, set the sansa to record...
and put the recorder between the (rubberbanded) cups
of headphones...

next day, i listen to the o and a few hours till i get to r & f
and have complete shows and then some...
but big files easily edited with windows sound recorder
to JUST whatever you want...
i can fast fwd commercials... but i usually use the time to make phone calls
or whatever else i have to do...

it sounds like alot of work... (it's not) and i pay the full xm subscription...
but i hang the tiny sansa around my neck and i'm good to go for the day...
(i can listen at work all day.. on the street)
and the day goes alot faster without dragging an xm portable with me..

SOUND QUALITY IS FINE...
and i listen a day late.. but i hear it all...

plus i can edit anything i want to save.. like if i get a mention...
so i have 'bragging' copies of stuff...

Jericholic51
06-15-2009, 06:23 PM
I love Audible it`s there when i get home and plug in the ipod and boom Ron and Fez through my Stereo when i`m making dinner...Thanks Audible

WabbyTwax
06-16-2009, 12:00 PM
I absolutely love Audible. I use Audible for O&A and R&F and have used it for the past year. I have never had a problem and rarely late episodes. Quality is perfect and having the commercials edited out saves me the hassle of fast forwarding my ipod. I work overnights and listen to every single show every night and don't know what i would do without this service! I hope I never have to live without it!!!

West.Coast.Skippy
06-16-2009, 12:42 PM
hi all, i need to update something. for several days before (and days after) writing my observations, the download manager only displayed

ron
downloaded xyz mb on [date]

for each download. useless, right?

well last night i noticed that that day's download had come through as

ron & fez, stephen frears, june 15, 2009
downloaded xyz mb on 6/15/2009

so that annoyance is fixed. i don't "take back", though, that i "sense" a lot of haste in the software. for example, after that download was done, audiblemanager launched... but the file hadn't been added to the library. oh well.