TV shows that hold up over time

[PD]

I was watching Seinfeld (yet again) last night, and it occurred to me, there are very few old TV shows that I can watch now- that truly hold up.

Seinfeld, The Honeymooners, I love Lucy.

there are plenty of other shows that I watched when they were new, but now won't watch - like Friends or Cheers.

what shows still hold up for you?

(I know ronnie discussed part of this in the past, so excuse me if there is a thread for this)

[burrben]

http://www.tvcrazy.net/images/andy/wallpaper/andygriffith_show.jpg

[GreatAmericanZero]

never been able to sit through a full episode of "I love lucy" or "the andy griffith show"

i don't even know, was "andy griffith" a comedy?

[nocountryjon1]

man i couldnt tell you if it was or not. ive never been able to watch it. Thats a show that grandmothers watch. but what about like the simpsons i think that still holds up (early episodes i know it still on)

[slurp mercury]

never been able to sit through a full episode of "I love lucy" or "the andy griffith show"

i don't even know, was "andy griffith" a comedy?

TOOooo cool. I love you.

[underdog]

Manimal.

[slurp mercury]

Manimal.

Punky Brewster

Airwolf

[pennington]

Shows that aren't topical seem to hold up better than those that are. For example, in "All in the Family", does anyone want to hear Meathead's view of the Nixon economic policies? Would "I Love Lucy" still be watchable if they were discussing Eisenhower?

Of recent shows, I still like "Two and a Half Men" and "King of Queens".

[boobieman]

Honeymooners definitely
Seinfeld..except the last season

Star trek
Homicide:Life on the street
Early M*A*S*H*
Barney Miller

Great now I am going to be thinking of old shows all night long...Thanks

SEEEEEEEEYYAYAAAAA

[TheMojoPin]

ILL does not hold up at all.

[GreatAmericanZero]

i think a show that people can genuinely watch today and laugh just as hard as when it first aired is "monty python's flying circus"

[TheMojoPin]

Most of Cheers is still strong as hell.

[Furtherman]

ILL does not hold up at all.

ILL. Really? You got some 'espainin to do Mojo!!!!



Most of the shows that I loved as a kid are just cringy watching them today.

I've even caught episodes of Cheers that didn't make me laugh (but yes, there are some strong ones).

Magnum PI still hold up. The Star Treks too.

[slurp mercury]

Sandford and Son

Chico and the Man

Soap



Seriously though, Taxi.

[TheMojoPin]

Sandford and Son

Chico and the Man

Soap



Seriously though, Taxi.

All good picks.

The Jeffersons, too.

The Mary Tyler Moore Show.

Barney Miller.

[fezident]

Seriously... I think THE GOLDEN GIRLS is still f'ing funny. Except for the shoulder pads and hair-mousse, the show is still great because of the timing of those four old birds. Comedies don't usually age well because each generation has it's own tempo but, maybe because those broads are so old... it just can't be "dated".

I LOVE LUCY doesn't hold up but, THE HONEYMOONERS definitely does. I have no explanation for that.


THE TWILIGHT ZONE holds up for me. Even though the technology & stuff is laughable now, the general tone and the twists are enjoyable. I think the older series holds up even better than the various remakes.

Shit like MORK AND MINDY and SAVED BY THE BELL can go fuck itself.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Shit like MORK AND MINDY and SAVED BY THE BELL can go fuck itself.

although, if the first run charm of "Saved By the Bell" was being a cheesey shitty teen sitcom, its probably better now than ever because its even cheesier. I don't know if "tweens" enjoy "Saved By the Bell" repeats but people who watched it ironically back them probably like it more now


The tv series I have on DVD that i watch over and over again more than anything else is "Kids In the Hall". I don't think they are the slightest bit dated

[Liverspot]

Boobieman mentioned it above but I like "Homicide, Life on the Street", great show that still holds up for me.

Honeymooners is a classic for sure. Most of the stuff I grew up watching in the 70's was great for the time but does not hold up now. 70's era was the king of the sit-coms though.

[GreatAmericanZero]

i wasn't alive when "All in the Family" was on the air, but whenever I seen an episode i laughed and liked it, so I gotta say it holds up

[realmenhatelife]

Married With Children is still very solid, although in first run I probably laughed just because it was crass and now I realize how ironic and cartoonish it's supposed to be.

[KnoxHarrington]

The "monster of the week" episodes of The X-Files still hold up for me as some of the best sci-fi TV ever. The "mythology" episodes, on the other hand, just seem increasingly silly, and serve as a warning to shows like "Lost" that you can indeed stretch things out to the point of silliness.

[silks]

Punky Brewster

Airwolf

Silver Spoons

[STC-Dub]

Start Trek
Twilight Zone

[Mullenax]

Pete and Pete

[slurp mercury]

Silver Spoons

NICE!

I needs me a train to ride!

[underdog]

Pete and Pete

That's my wife's favorite show.

[Mullenax]

That's my wife's favorite show.

I missed it as a kid and was introduced to it as an adult. It holds up extremely well and I'm nuts about it.

[Gvac]

None of them.

All TV shows are stupid and dated.

[boobieman]

Boobieman mentioned it above but I like "Homicide, Life on the Street", great show that still holds up for me.

The show is just great. I guess that is why I think The Wire is so good...same setting and almost the same creative group.

I forgot all about Golden Girls and Taxi..they are still funny.

Early Cheers was ok. Friends is just plain old dog shit. I can't stand it. How the hell did that show get so popular.

Also those guest appearance show...Love boat, Fantasy Island...dog shit.

SEEYAYYAYAAA

[Crispy123]

The Rockford files.
Twilight Zone.

[TheMojoPin]

I LOVE LUCY doesn't hold up but, THE HONEYMOONERS definitely does. I have no explanation for that.

Pretty easy to figure out.

Jackie Gleason: one of the funniest motherfuckers who ever lived.

Lucille Ball: funnier as a corpse...but still not actually funny.

[MacVittie]

None of them.

All TV shows are stupid and dated.

Its true. I was watching an episode of good time and J.J. was talking about how handsome someone was, comparing their looks to that of OJ Simpson. Once a show is made, it becomes dated.

[TheMojoPin]

Its true. I was watching an episode of good time and J.J. was talking about how handsome someone was, comparing their looks to that of OJ Simpson. Once a show is made, it becomes dated.

Wait, OJ Simpson stopped being handsome back in the day?

A brutal double murder doesn't suddenly make someone turn un-sexy. He just went from being a handsome football player to being a handsome murderous fotobll player.

[KEITHJAY]

Mash seasons1-4
Barney Miller
Sanford@son(bad acting though) Watching Redd Foxx read his lines is fun
Jeffersons
All in the family
Honeymooners
Flintstones1-2 years
Colombo
Seinfeld 1-5
WKRP
Hogans Heroes
Newhart
The Bob Newhart Show

[MacVittie]

Wait, OJ Simpson stopped being handsome back in the day?

A brutal double murder doesn't suddenly make someone turn un-sexy. He just went from being a handsome football player to being a handsome murderous fotobll player.

but no one would ever use him as an example of a handsome man in a serious way. there's no way to look at it and not say to yourself, "this must be pre-alleged homocide"

[Cyber Trucker]

Mash seasons1-4
Barney Miller
Sanford@son(bad acting though) Watching Redd Foxx read his lines is fun
Jeffersons
All in the family
Honeymooners
Flintstones1-2 years
Colombo
Seinfeld 1-5
WKRP
Hogans Heroes
Newhart
The Bob Newhart Show

Al are good but wat about The Cosby Show, Good Times, old Law and Orders. To bad non the gearhead shows like B.J. and the Bear, Dukes of Hazzed, Knight Rider or A-Team

[Kublakhan61]

Gaz is right about Python. I watched it all for the first time just last year - it was outrageously funny. Not only did hold up but was as funny as that which followed it.

Mr. Show is almost 15 years old - still strong.
The Prisoner is also a ton of fun to watch.

As for shows being dated - anything once its made is dated, true. That's why we go back to it. It a record. Why read the Odyssey? Why watch a Peter Sellers film? Why listen the Band? Its all so old and dated. Geesh, guys.

[TheMojoPin]

I missed it as a kid and was introduced to it as an adult. It holds up extremely well and I'm nuts about it.

Damn right.

Though the final season on DVD is still in limbo.

P&P definitely had my favorite intro theme of all time:

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Holy shit, that is gloriously power pop-y. Good ol' Polaris/Miracle Legion.

Plus what an amazing list of guest stars:

Selma Blair — Penelope Ghiruto, school bus passenger from whose name Big Pete can make 27 words. ("Das Bus")
Steve Buscemi — Phil Hickle, Guidance counselor and Ellen's father. ("X=Why?")
Jude Ciccolella — Mr. Slurm, high school shop teacher with a claw for a hand. ("Tool and Die" )
Ellen Cleghorne — Bus driver Sally Knorp, on-again, off-again girlfriend of Stu Benedict. (Appears in "Day of the Dot" and "Yellow Fever," though she is mentioned in other episodes.)
Marshall Crenshaw — "Lightning" Mel Ratner, a meter reader who joins Little Pete's band. ("A Hard Day's Pete")
Art Donovan — himself, talking to Big Pete about playing with Johnny Unitas. ("Space, Geeks, and Johnny Unitas")
Martin Donovan — crossing guard Kenneth G. Keegan who passes messages between Big Pete and Ellen in "Apocalypse Pete"; also Smith ("Smitty"), a security guard whom Little Pete and Petunia distract in "Space, Geeks, and Johnny Unitas."
Richard Edson — school janitor and field chalker Mr. Beverly ("Valentine's Day Massacre").
Chris Elliott — Meterman Ray, a meter reader who foretells Little Pete's future ("Sick Day").
Gordon Gano — Mr. Zank, the first of many substitute math teachers ("X=Why?").
Janeane Garofalo — Ms. Brackett, an English teacher ("X=Why?").
Frank Gifford — himself, a customer at Dad's driving range ("Rangeboy").
Ellen Greene — Abilene Jones, Drive-In film operator ("Time Tunnel").
Debbie Harry — a neighbor whose lawn the Petes sweep for land mines ("New Year's Pete").
Eliza Harris — girl in the straightjacket ("Last Laugh").
Juliana Hatfield — Emma, a young lunchlady ("Don't Tread on Pete").
Patty Hearst — Mrs. Kretchmar, a member of the family that moves into the Wrigley house ("35 Hours").
William Hickey — Grandpa Wrigley, Dad's dad ("When Petes Collide").
David Johansen — Park Ranger Thorsen, who scrutinizes Dad's activities until learning he is hunting for Bob ("On Golden Pete").
LL Cool J — Mr. Throneberry, Little Pete's teacher ("Sick Day").
Luscious Jackson — the band that plays at the school dance ("Dance Fever").
Ann Magnuson — Eunice Puell, mail carrier and object of Little Pete's affection ("Crisis in the Love Zone").
John McLaughlin — himself, devoting a portion of his show to support Big Pete's bid for Dad's bowling ball ("When Petes Collide").
Miracle Legion — the four-piece version of Polaris that Little Pete sees in a garage ("A Hard Day's Pete"). Polaris, in turn, was Miracle Legion minus guitarist Mr. Ray.
Bebe Neuwirth — Mail Lady McGintee, a mail carrier whom Little Pete comes across on his sick day adventure ("The Call," "Sick Day").
Larisa Oleynik — a nurse who rushes Little Pete through the hospital ("Dance Fever").
Vincent Pastore — Plays Vincent Park, A neighbor and bowling agent who is impressed with Artie's bowling skills and gets him to sign a bowling contract.
Kate Pierson — mysterious blind millionaire Mrs. Vanderveer ("What We Did on Our Summer Vacation").
Suzzy Roche — PEO MacMillian, meter maid and Inspector 34's love interest ("Inspector 34").
James Rebhorn — Supervillain John McFlemp, who rallies the neighborhood to get rid of little Pete's superhero Artie and turn him into a respectable and conservative adult.
Sarah Shannon — a grocery store employee who gives Little Pete a label from an expired can of tapioca pudding ("Sick Day").
J. K. Simmons — Barber Dan, who refuses to talk to Big Pete ("Saturday").
Michael Stipe — Captain Scrummy, ice-cream vendor known for the Sludgecicle ("What We Did On Our Summer Vacation").
Syd Straw — math teacher Miss Fingerwood. Played bass in the Blowholes("A Hard Days Pete")
Liza Weil — Margie Corsell, a girl for whom Big Pete abandons his brother ("35 Hours"). Weil also played a bully in "Yellow Fever", with her mother Lisa as a teacher in the same episode.
Brittany Whittington — the Kretchmars' daughter, another member of the family that moved into the Wrigley house ("35 Hours")
Matthew G.Cliff — "Chalkface", the name young Pete gives to shortlived neighborhood villain Roger SanGreko. Often seen in the background of episodes sporting a lime green hoodie with a purple lizard on the chest. He is given the name due to his fair skin and constant body odor that is easily mistaken with the scent of classroom chalk. ("The Call," " Dance Fever").

What a great show.

[TheMojoPin]

but no one would ever use him as an example of a handsome man in a serious way. there's no way to look at it and not say to yourself, "this must be pre-alleged homocide"

That's fine. I just wanted to make sure you weren't denying the sexiness of Juice.

[MagillaGorillaz]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Gilligan's Island.

[MagillaGorillaz]

P&P

What a great show.

I forgot it was a show. I just remember the 5 minute clips on Nick. It must have been a show while I was in college. We didn't get Nickelodeon at my school.

[PD]

for those that say that I love lucy doesn't hold up, did you ever like it?
I may be old, but not old enough to have watched it when it was new; however I liked it as a kid, and I like it now - it's not Honeymooners, but I like it as much as I ever did. If you never liked it at all, that;s a different thing.

Monty Python definitely holds up. Homicide, Life on the Street was a fantastic show, and yes, it holds as well.

Twilight zone also holds up great.

[GreatAmericanZero]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Gilligan's Island.

oh..thats cuz this is a thread about Tv shows that DO hold up

[PD]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Gilligan's Island.

oh..thats cuz this is a thread about Tv shows that DO hold up

but does Magilla Gorilla hold up?


Another "show" not mentioned- Bugs Bunny / Loony Tunes.
definitely holds up.

[TheMojoPin]

for those that say that I love lucy doesn't hold up, did you ever like it?
I may be old, but not old enough to have watched it when it was new; however I liked it as a kid, and I like it now - it's not Honeymooners, but I like it as much as I ever did. If you never liked it at all, that;s a different thing.

Doesn't that just speak to how badly it's aged if so many people never liked it any point in their lives? When I was a kid I loved practically every "oldies" show that was on WGN and Nick at Night. If some dumb. TV-addicted kid wants to watch Dobie Gillis or My Three Sons over another show, that other show probably hasn't aged very well.

[drusilla]

Magnum PI still hold up. .

about a year ago sleuth used to show magnum pi ever night at 1am. i would always watch because i love detective shows, but i thought it was terribly 80's. there's a lot about it that just made me shake my head from awfulness.

i'll watch any law & order re-run that's on no matter how old it is. plus i love the really old ones for the shots of the city & all the cars.

i think the golden girls still holds up too. even though bea arthur's clothes were were very dated i still enjoy watching the show.

[RAAMONE]

any law & order

married with children

seinfeld i usually wont turn off

and malcom in the middle

edit: oh and of course roseanne

[Ritalin]

most underrated great television comedy:

News Radio.

[IamFogHat]

http://www.tvcrazy.net/images/andy/wallpaper/andygriffith_show.jpg

Is that you Fez?

[jab]

most underrated great television comedy:

News Radio.

win

[TheMojoPin]

win

Definitely. Still my favorite sitcom of all time. Nobody is gonna touch that cast as an ensemble, and that includes shows like AD (as great as it was).

[PD]

Doesn't that just speak to how badly it's aged if so many people never liked it any point in their lives? When I was a kid I loved practically every "oldies" show that was on WGN and Nick at Night. If some dumb. TV-addicted kid wants to watch Dobie Gillis or My Three Sons over another show, that other show probably hasn't aged very well.

not necessarily; it may not be your style. This is more about shows that you may have liked at one time, but now you can't watch it.

Oh and Newsradio is still good.

[who6489]

Surprisingly..... MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE still holds up. They run them on some rerun channel at night. Even though the gadgets are dated, some of it was way ahead of it's time. Like the whole "face mask" thing, that's only becoming a reality now!

Also, MASH, Married..., Spin City, and The Equalizer
:smoke:

[boobieman]

but does Magilla Gorilla hold up?


Another "show" not mentioned- Bugs Bunny / Loony Tunes.
definitely holds up.

Gilligan's Island is just plain awful. I wish lovely would get raped by the gorilla..Actually the guy in the bad gorilla outfit.

Bugs bunny is classic...."I don't mean la Antoine of FLATBUSH"

One show I have not seen listed...Odd Couple...still makes me laugh.

"Aristophanes....ridiculous."

SEYYAYAYEEEEEAYYAYAYA

[epo]

I can't believe there wasn't a single mention of the Larry Sanders Show.

You cavemen disappoint me.

[razorboy]

I might be biased, but I loved Hill Street Blues when I was a kid and I still do.



Blows away every shitty cop drama on TV today.

[jessicaduh]

you are biased. i call you biasboy. and like my grandpa always said, never trust a biasboy.

[GreatAmericanZero]

watching a "Married with Children" marathon on Spike right now, haven't watched it in a few years...I'm laughing my balls off. And its spanning all eras, with Steve and with Jefferson. I remember the show kinda died near the end of its run, where every episode revolved around "No Ma'am" and Lucky replaced Buck, but if a show reaches a point where it sucks when its presently on then you can't say those episodes don't hold up in the future cuz they always sucked

[epo]

watching a "Married with Children" marathon on Spike right now, haven't watched it in a few years...I'm laughing my balls off. And its spanning all eras, with Steve and with Jefferson. I remember the show kinda died near the end of its run, where every episode revolved around "No Ma'am" and Lucky replaced Buck, but if a show reaches a point where it sucks when its presently on then you can't say those episodes don't hold up in the future cuz they always sucked

If this thread was about "Timelessly shitty television shows", then you might have a point.

[GreatAmericanZero]

If this thread was about "Timelessly shitty television shows", then you might have a point.

its not sophisticated but its fun and has its own unique charm about it. Definitely funnier than "critically acclaimed sitcoms" like "Everybody loves Raymond" or "Frasier". And I always thought that David Faustino was a good actor...I wish he could get work today. I'd pay to see him in a movie

[epo]

its not sophisticated but its fun and has its own unique charm about it. Definitely funnier than "critically acclaimed sitcoms" like "Everybody loves Raymond" or "Frasier". And I always thought that David Faustino was a good actor...I wish he could get work today. I'd pay to see him in a movie

That statement invalidates everything you've ever said.

Seriously, Married with Children is so fucking dated. If you can't see that then there is no hope for you.

[epo]

its not sophisticated but its fun and has its own unique charm about it. Definitely funnier than "critically acclaimed sitcoms" like "Everybody loves Raymond" or "Frasier". And I always thought that David Faustino was a good actor...I wish he could get work today. I'd pay to see him in a movie

Lets point out something too....Frasier was critically acclaimed, but Raymond was not something that critics adored. Raymond in fact is a perfect example of a show that is "timeless" because it doesn't take chances and doesn't get caught into the issues of the day.

And David Faustino is still a shitty actor.

[spoon]

That statement invalidates everything you've ever said.

Seriously, Married with Children is so fucking dated. If you can't see that then there is no hope for you.

Half of what even makes Married with Children funny now IS THE DATED material. This however doesn't mean it "holds up" in the traditional sesne.

Did some tart just say David Faustino is a good actor!? Come on, nobody can be that stupid. Or is it an attempt to be a reverse retarded hipster!? Time to go recruiting giants freddy mercury!

[fezident]

the Larry Sanders Show.

.


The best of the best.

Good call.

[realmenhatelife]

Married with Children isn't dated, it's a satire and what it's satirizes is dated. Part of the reason the Cosby style sitcom is now completely dated is the ambivilance of Married with Children.

[Donnie Iris]

No one mentioned the Larry Sanders Show?

[Donnie Iris]

Never mind. I read through the first two pages and not the third.

I stand corrected.

[ADF]

Married with Children isn't dated, it's a satire and what it's satirizes is dated. Part of the reason the Cosby style sitcom is now completely dated is the ambivilance of Married with Children.

Married with Children wasn't funny when it was current, much less more than a decade later. Really, any time you have a tv show that's based on the studio audience cheering whenever a character walks in the door, you know it's crap.

My vote is for the aforementioned News Radio. Phil Hartman was the best.

[realmenhatelife]

Married with Children wasn't funny when it was current, much less more than a decade later. Really, any time you have a tv show that's based on the studio audience cheering whenever a character walks in the door, you know it's crap.

My vote is for the aforementioned News Radio. Phil Hartman was the best.

News Radio is great, even the Jon Lovitz season.

I did think Married was funny in its first run, but I was an adolescent and it was very base humor. I now think its funny because of how absurd it is, and I realize how ironic they're being. They wound up making fun of the lowest common denominator reputation they had. I think the audience reaction was over the top on purpose, to help amplify how trashy the show was. To borrow a line from Steve Coogan, they were being Post Modern before it was fashionable.

[Dude!]

some SCTV sketches but not most

Leave it to Beaver
timeless

i tried watching MASH reruns
but can't get into it

[KC2OSO]

Blind Date - the Rodger Lodge years

[Kublakhan61]

Did some tart just say David Faustino is a good actor!? Come on, nobody can be that stupid. Or is it an attempt to be a reverse retarded hipster!? Time to go recruiting giants freddy mercury!

A good example of what's wrong with the internet. An attack where there is no reason. Petty.

[walking joint]

i'd probably enjoy watching the Wonder Years again.

[ANC]

http://www.cultv.co.uk/FawltyDVD.jpg

[SatCam]

I can't believe there wasn't a single mention of the Larry Sanders Show.

You cavemen disappoint me.

I wanted to post that when the thread was first posted, but I felt like maybe it wasnt old enough for this thread. I mean the entire premise of the show was pop culture (not that that's what made it funny). I think maybe we should give it another 10 years and let the next generation judge..


With that said, Hank and Arty are probably the two best acted/scripted characters I've ever seen on TV

[burrben]

Married with Children isn't dated, it's a satire and what it's satirizes is dated. Part of the reason the Cosby style sitcom is now completely dated is the ambivilance of Married with Children.

i always thought the first couple of seasons seem dated but the 90s episodes didnt. and No Ma'am episodes are my favorite. griff, jefferson and bob rooney are great.

[ADF]

News Radio is great, even the Jon Lovitz season.

I did think Married was funny in its first run, but I was an adolescent and it was very base humor. I now think its funny because of how absurd it is, and I realize how ironic they're being. They wound up making fun of the lowest common denominator reputation they had. I think the audience reaction was over the top on purpose, to help amplify how trashy the show was. To borrow a line from Steve Coogan, they were being Post Modern before it was fashionable.

You're giving the show way too much credit. The show was formulaic, hack, and unfunny.a

[epo]

A good example of what's wrong with the internet. An attack where there is no reason. Petty.

While that may be a problem with the internet, one of the problems with our society is that people actually think that David Faustino was a "good actor".

[AKA]

There were only three sitcoms that went out literally in 1st place - "Seinfeld," "The Andy Griffith Show," and "I Love Lucy" - and I think all three still hold up.

The point that was being made about the people hating "I Love Lucy" are people who never enjoyed it is 100% right. People who loved it then, love it now. Students of television and old Hollywood dig it - the DNA for most everything you have ever loved go right back to Lucy and Desi (and I'm not even talking about the "Three Camera" idea that Desi took credit for in his book, but was really the brainchild of Hugh Ackerman - but that's something else). I can pick up a Lucy at any time and never be bored - I can't say with all of the "Andy Griffith" shows - towards then end of that run, when it went to color, it became unwatchable.

I can always watch a "Good Times," "Simpsons," "Leave it to Beaver," "Mary Tyler Moore," or "Malcolm in the Middle." Some shows like "Everybody Loves Raymond" or even "Three and a Half Men" I have only caught in reruns and was surprised I actually enjoyed what I saw.

I have never gotten tired of any of my favorite Brisith comedies - "Young Ones," "AbFab," "Python," etc - If "Married with Children" had been done in England, it would be considered one of the funniest Brit-coms of all time, and PBS would still be running back to back with "Are You Being Served?"

[TheMojoPin]

The point that was being made about the people hating "I Love Lucy" are people who never enjoyed it is 100% right. People who loved it then, love it now. Students of television and old Hollywood dig it - the DNA for most everything you have ever loved go right back to Lucy and Desi (and I'm not even talking about the "Three Camera" idea that Desi took credit for in his book, but was really the brainchild of Hugh Ackerman - but that's something else). I can pick up a Lucy at any time and never be bored - I can't say with all of the "Andy Griffith" shows - towards then end of that run, when it went to color, it became unwatchable.

I "get" why ILL is so important. I understand what it set the stage for. I just don't see the revolutionary format actually carrying over to quality of the content. Sitcoms thrive on repetition, but goddamn if every episode of ILL is the the sam damn thing. Shit, The Lucy Show is infinitely funnier just because Mr. Mooney is there.

[GreatAmericanZero]

While that may be a problem with the internet, one of the problems with our society is that people actually think that David Faustino was a "good actor".

not only can he act, but he can rap too!

[paulisded]

While that may be a problem with the internet, one of the problems with our society is that people actually think that David Faustino was a "good actor".



How dare you besmirch Grandmaster B!

[biozombie]

Red Dwarf, British & way better than Star Trek.