Manny On The Juice

[joeyballsack]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez8-2009may08,0,6324894.story

Manny gets a 50 game suspension for PED's.

Wow.

[badorties]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez8-2009may08,0,6324894.story

Manny gets a 50 game suspension for PED's.

Wow.

wow, ha-ha and maybe a little less focus on the yanks rough start

[hammersavage]

Fucking unreal. Now another avalanche of steroid talk. This is the biggest though

[epo]

I'm not shocked...but holy shit.

[razorboy]

I do want to hear what EXACTLY he tested positive for as in any other case, but this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

[hammersavage]

Boy am I glad we didn't sign that guy

[brettmojo]

Wow.

[TjM]

I'm saddened I truly thought he was one of the ones who did it clean. Then again I thought the same of Arod

[foodcourtdruide]

Not shocked, this is HUGE. The two best hitters over the last decade have both been linked to performance enhancing drugs.

[hammersavage]

I'm saddened I truly thought he was one of the ones who did it clean. Then again I thought the same of Arod

I thought he was clean too. Too stupid to stay on a regimen. I'll wait til all the info comes out but its really really shocking

[razorboy]

By the way, Canseco is right again.

[brettmojo]

Not shocked, this is HUGE. The two best hitters over the last decade have both been linked to performance enhancing drugs.
It really should show what not a big deal PED's are since everyone has been taking them. You can't flush the whole league out.

[IMSlacker]

By the way, Canseco is right again.

Still a rat though.

[KingGeno]

What a HUGE find. Wow. Talk about all of these big name players being fuckin' cheaters all along. Just wow.

[Hottub]

http://www.luds.net/galeries/nelson.gif

[jetdog]

what a fucking idiot.

[ChrisTheCop]

I'm saddened I truly thought he was one of the ones who did it clean. Then again I thought the same of Arod

Well, all signs point to that he did. Until recently.
He had mounting pressure to carry both the dodgers and his ego.

Of course, if it turns out he was doing them toward the end of his tenure in Boston as well,
it sure would explain alot about his behavior there.

But as far as we know, the Bosox remain untarnished.

[TheGameHHH]

How is anybody shocked about this? We even brought this up in the arod thread months ago

[KingGeno]

Bosox remain untarnished.

Stinkin' cheaters.



World Series Winners*






:p:devil2:

[joeyballsack]

I guess the Dodgers win the contract battle with him after all.

Manny just lost 7 million dollars from his salary.

[hammersavage]

But as far as we know, the Bosox remain untarnished.

You forgot the sarcasm tags

[King Hippos Bandaid]

its just steroid Manny being steroid Manny

[brettmojo]

But as far as we know, the Bosox remain untarnished.

http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/mlb/players/65/3748.jpg

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[brettmojo]

How is anybody shocked about this? We even brought this up in the arod thread months ago
Him getting caught is shocking, not that he may have done anything.

[drjoek]

Manny being Manny?

[razorboy]

Still a rat though.

I don't disagree. It's just that every time he comes out with a name that people think is more improbable...

[Suspect Chin]

How long until they announce Pujols is on the juice too?

[TheGameHHH]

Notice how this never came to light when he was with the Sox. Mitchell does a great job of protecting his boys

[King Hippos Bandaid]

its just steroid Manny being steroid Manny

Manny being Manny?

tisk tisk tisk

[joeyballsack]

He will opt out of his contract next year and sign a record deal with the Yankees. That will put asses in the seats.

[OGC]

I'm saddened I truly thought he was one of the ones who did it clean. Then again I thought the same of Arod


Agreed.

[ChrisTheCop]

Notice how this never came to light when he was with the Sox. Mitchell does a great job of protecting his boys

This was a recent test, no? What am I missing?
Just because I became a raging alcoholic at age 21 doesnt mean I was one at age 19.

[ChrisTheCop]

tisk tisk tisk

agreed. neither one was funny.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

agreed. neither one was funny.


why be hurtful

tisk tisk tisk

[Suspect Chin]

This was a recent test, no? What am I missing?
Just because I became a raging alcoholic at age 21 doesnt mean I was one at age 19.

This definitely tarnishes both Red Sox World Series wins. Its not like Manny was tiny with the Sox then got huge once he got to LA. If he is using them now, obviously he was using them then.

[TheGameHHH]

This was a recent test, no? What am I missing?
Just because I became a raging alcoholic at age 21 doesnt mean I was one at age 19.

Right cause nobody would have ever dreamed of tipping him off while he was in Boston. and if you truly believe this was Mannys only time juicing then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you

[ChrisTheCop]

This definitely tarnishes both Red Sox World Series wins. Its not like Manny was tiny with the Sox then got huge once he got to LA. If he is using them now, obviously he was using them then.

Oh. OBBBViously..... where ARE those sarcasm tags I always hear about? lol.

Right cause nobody would have ever dreamed of tipping him off while he was in Boston. and if you truly believe this was Mannys only time juicing then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you

Clever.

Let's just deal with the facts we've been given.
It's fun to speculate, but for now, it's just a sad story about a man with a huge ego making some bad decisions. especially bad (IMHO) because others have been so publicly ridiculed and condemned for the same thing.

[Suspect Chin]

Oh. OBBBViously..... where ARE those sarcasm tags I always hear about? lol.



Clever.

Come on buddy step out of your Red Sox haze for a minute and be realistic.

[ChrisTheCop]

Come on buddy step out of your Red Sox hate for a minute and be realistic.

See what I did there?

Oh, and it's spelled b-u-d-d-a-y.

[TripleSkeet]

Motherfucker. I swear my fantasy baseball team is fucking cursed.

[joeyballsack]

I would like to hear what the hit was on the test.

If its a JC Romero situation then I can give the guy some slack I guess.

[OGC]

This definitely tarnishes both Red Sox World Series wins. Its not like Manny was tiny with the Sox then got huge once he got to LA. If he is using them now, obviously he was using them then.


maybe it tarnishes them for you, but it doesn't for me :tongue:

[Suspect Chin]

Does this mean no HOF for Manny?

[TjM]

Gammons and Verducci reporting it is not a steroid but it is on the banned list (Gammons said it is a prescription he is taking for a "Personal Problem" and that he is being suspended under 8G2 or the CBA (Commissioners discretion). This thing is getting weirder

[hammersavage]

Gammons and Verducci reporting it is not a steroid but it is on the banned list (Gammons said it is a prescription he is taking for a "Personal Problem" and that he is being suspended under 8G2 or the CBA (Commissioners discretion). This thing is getting weirder

BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!!

[TjM]

This definitely tarnishes both Red Sox World Series wins. Its not like Manny was tiny with the Sox then got huge once he got to LA. If he is using them now, obviously he was using them then.

Much like the Yankees with Petit and Clemens?

[razorboy]

Does this mean no HOF for Manny?

No.

[TheGameHHH]

I would like to hear what the hit was on the test.

If its a JC Romero situation then I can give the guy some slack I guess.

Of course Manny will try and say it's a Romero situation. In this day and age why would you put substances in your body if you weren't absolutely 100% certain it was all legit. On top of that no doctor is going to prescribe medication to a ball player of Mannys stature without also being 100% certain it's all legal. So you can believe what you want, the rest of us will live in the real world where Manny's a juicer

[Suspect Chin]

Much like the Yankees with Petit and Clemons?

I'm not saying the titles should be taken away or anything that drastic, just saying it makes things interesting. I personally am not a big PED critic. I say if they are not going to take the step to truly test for them, then they should just make them legal.

[TjM]

From Will Carrol at BP

UPDATE 2: Two sources confirm for me that Ramirez did not test positive for an anabolic steroid. What the substance was remains unclear. The press release from MLB indicates that it was not a “drug of abuse” or a “stimulant,” the other two classes of banned substances. Ramirez’s positive test came during Spring Training, which follows his story that he received the substance from a doctor this January.

UPDATE 3: Ramirez’s statement issued through the MLBPA indicates that Ramirez will not appeal his suspension and that he received the banned substance from a doctor. Ramirez was suspended under section 8.G.2 of the Joint Drug Agreement, which is “other.” In his statement, there’s no clear statement that Ramirez ever tested positive. Combined, those two facts point to a non-testable drug, but this is not confirmed. The only other known 8.G.2 suspension was Jordan Schaefer.

[TjM]

What is it?

[Suspect Chin]

Medical Marijuana? He is in California...

[ChrisTheCop]

Well, if theyre saying it was similar to Jordan Schaefer, that was HGH right?

[TjM]

That would be funny. Mang I'm so good I hit 40 a year high

[Suspect Chin]

Well, if theyre saying it was similar to Jordan Schaefer, that was HGH right?

I think Schaefer was HGH but I don't think it was a positive test (since HGH can only be found in blood test). I think it was by association...In other words, he was suspected to be associated with known HGH suppliers. So he was found guilty by suspicion.

[Fallon]

What are the chances he didn't start till last August?

I mean, it's possible right?

[ChrisTheCop]

What are the chances he didn't start till last August?

I mean, it's possible right?

Of course it's possible. There's no provable reason to think otherwise.
That said, if he started prior, it sure would explain his actions those last few months.
And conspiracy theorizing here, maybe the Sox brass knew, and wanted him out asap, no matter what the cost.

But back to reality... this was a recent test that he failed...wouldnt he also have gone thru tests upon his arrival in LA?

[Fallon]

Of course it's possible. There's no provable reason to think otherwise.
That said, if he started prior, it sure would explain his actions those last few months.
And conspiracy theorizing here, maybe the Sox brass knew, and wanted him out asap, no matter what the cost.

But back to reality... this was a recent test that he failed...wouldnt he also have gone thru tests upon his arrival in LA?

By prior do you mean between 93-00, then he stopped for a while for no particular reason and then started up after the deadline last season. Seems highly reasonable.

[Snoogans]

Manny is sayin he went to a doctor and the doctor gave him a drug that they thought was ok.

[badorties]

What are the chances he didn't start till last August?

I mean, it's possible right?

it's possible ... but it seems that there's an eventuality that all teams will be tainted, and any championship team of this era will have its users

i still go to bed every night just hoping for something horrible to be revealed about schilling, penny, piazza and randy johnson

[underdog]

Not shocked, this is HUGE. The two best hitters over the last decade have both been linked to performance enhancing drugs.

You mean the three best hitters.

[nate1000]

This just in:

Dodgers- Hammersavaged

[foodcourtdruide]

You mean the three best hitters.

Duh, forgot Bonds. Not to mention the best pitcher.

[Snoogans]

shit everyone took roids. Even in 61, Mantle went to the doc to get a "special" new shot, ended up with an abscess on his ass. Hank was on Roids in Milwaukee. just deal with it, and be thankful someone would do that to themselves to better entertain you

[ADF]

Aaaaaaaguh!

[DOHO@HOME]

Oh that's the best news of the day so far:clap:
He is a fucking great hitting asshole and deserves bad things to happen to him, fucking pushing down a old man and bitch slapping Yuck.
MANNY BEING MANNY----FUCK OFF YOU NAPPIE HEADED DICK:furious::lol:

[badorties]

here's deadspin's (http://deadspin.com/5244230/the-case-of-manny-not-being-manny) accusations

[KingModem]

Anybody drink coffee during their work day?

BAM! 2 month suspension, without pay.

Sensical?

[MacVittie]

Manny being ban-ny?

[underdog]

Duh, forgot Bonds. Not to mention the best pitcher.

Pedro Martinez and Tim Lincecum have no tested positive for steroids.

[badorties]

from yahoo:

At least not on the baseball diamond. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the substance is supposed to boost sex drive. It is not Viagra, but a substance that treats the cause rather providing a temporary boost in sexual performance, the source said. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AlyJxL3j_OJdWV7t83_96RQ5nYcB?slug=ys-ramirezsuspension050709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

[KingModem]

Manny being ban-ny?

Ah Gee Gee Gee!

[led37zep]

I don't give a shit what it is.

It was like Christmas morning waking up and hearing that news.

50 games without Manny...sounds like the .500 Giants are going to be a first place team after all.

[Snoogans]

how funny would it be if he fails a roid test for a dick drug. OH MAN


Although steroids can cause those problems too

[foodcourtdruide]

Pedro Martinez and Tim Lincecum have no tested positive for steroids.

I don't think Tim Lincecum's has had more of an impact on baseball over the last decade than Roger Clemens.

[MacVittie]

ESPN is reporting that its a female fertility drug called hTG.

[TripleSkeet]

I believe him, and Im not even a Manny fan. I just think MLB and their list of banned substances are fucking ridiculous. If someones using pot or coke, their suspensions should be up to the team, not the league. If its anabolic steroids, then thats all the league should test for and suspend for. This bullshit of getting suspended for something that is prescribed by a licensed medical doctor and not even illegal is just ridiculous.

Then again Im from the school of thought that steroids not only shouldnt be illegal but they shouldnt be banned from sports. To me its no different then an athlete that uses creatine, protein powders and other supplements. Its no more harmful then alcohol or pot if taken in moderation like its supposed to be. If an athlete wants to take it they can. Does it give them an edge? Sure. But dont guys like Derek Jeter have an edge over players that make the league minimum? Im sure he can afford to hire personal trainers, dieticians and chefs to make his every meal that regular players cant.

Shit scientists still havent found anything harmful about HGH. In the articles Ive read they were saying it should be legallized and prescribed by doctors to people over 40 to improve the quality of life.

[cougarjake13]

ill admit it doesnt look good with what he's been accused of taking but i dont think he was juicing

[TheGameHHH]

ill admit it doesnt look good with what he's been accused of taking but i dont think he was juicing

LOOK AT CLEVELAND MANNY vs. BOSTON MANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Death Metal Moe]

Fuckin' cheater.

[cougarjake13]

LOOK AT CLEVELAND MANNY vs. BOSTON MANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




yeh theres a difference but is it as glaring as the pirate bonds vs giants bonds ??

[TheGameHHH]

yeh theres a difference but is it as glaring as the pirate bonds vs giants bonds ??

no.....but i also think Bonds juiced. my point was Manny does/did roids

[cougarjake13]

no.....but i also think Bonds juiced. my point was Manny does/did roids

theres no doubt in my mind bonds did




manny i never thought he did but its looking like he did something

[underdog]

LOOK AT CLEVELAND MANNY vs. BOSTON MANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeh theres a difference but is it as glaring as the pirate bonds vs giants bonds ??

Was there really that much of a difference between the two manny's? When the Sox signed him, he was basically #2 to A-Rod.

[TheMojoPin]

ESPN is reporting that its a female fertility drug called hTG.

Correct. Men who take it typically take it after coming off a steroid cycle to, ironically, restart their natural testosterone production. Like ESPN and others have pointed out, it's similar to a drug called Clomid that Bonds and Giambi were found to be taking.

[A.J.]

ESPN is reporting that its a female fertility drug called hTG.

Oh Deb, how could you?

[brettmojo]

http://deadspin.com/5244230/the-case-of-manny-not-being-manny

[Snoogans]

LOOK AT CLEVELAND MANNY vs. BOSTON MANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://blog.cleveland.com/photos/cf8d10e38bf9ca6596105da0377d2289.JPG

http://allbaseballallthetime.mlblogs.com/Manny%20Ramirez.jpg

I mean the evidence is right there. He gained a good 240 pounds

[ChrisTheCop]

Big Papi talks about ramirez suspension. (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090512&content_id=4688654&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

[hammersavage]

Big Papi talks about ramirez suspension. (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090512&content_id=4688654&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

Papi should be just as shocked he didn't get caught. He should be just as shocked that he hasn't hit a home run in 2 months cuz he stopped. This is all quite shocking to him, I'm sure

[Doctor Z]

Interesting read -
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=bryant_howard&id=4163281

[ChrisTheCop]

Interesting read -
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=bryant_howard&id=4163281

Agreed.

[brettmojo]

Interesting read -
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=bryant_howard&id=4163281
But but... He's a Red Sox. Just because he was mediocre before he got picked up by the Red Sox and became a super star after being picked up by the Red Sox isn't suggestive of anything! He's never tested positive for steroids while he's been a Red Sox. Just like Manny...

[TjM]

But but... He's a Red Sox. Just because he was mediocre before he got picked up by the Red Sox and became a super star after being picked up by the Red Sox isn't suggestive of anything! He's never tested positive for steroids while he's been a Red Sox. Just like Manny...

Also he had power in the minors also Bryant is right it is unfair to accuse a guy of doping with no evidence

[TjM]

Could also be he is declining on the wrong side of 30 like players use to back in the day

[TheMojoPin]

Could also be he is declining on the wrong side of 30 like players use to back in the day

It's unusual when a player falls so hard off a cliff production-wise without some kind of serious recent injury.

[epo]

It's unusual when a player falls so hard off a cliff production-wise without some kind of serious recent injury.

I've been saying that David Ortiz and Travis Hafner reek of steroids for years. Their recent numbers and gigantic dropoffs only add fuel to that fire.

[JimBeam]

It's unusual when a player falls so hard off a cliff production-wise without some kind of serious recent injury.

Didn't he have a wrist injury last year that most agreed was fairly tough on hitters ?

Plus he's probably not on steroids because he never played for Joe Torre like Manny, Rodriguez, Giambi, Shefield, Petite and Clemens.

[TheMojoPin]

Didn't he have a wrist injury last year that most agreed was fairly tough on hitters ?

Wrist injuries are usually the prime culprit when a skilled power hitter suddenly falls off. I honestly don't remember if Papi did or not.

I also don't care if he juiced or not.

[JimBeam]

As far as Haffner goes I think he was a one trick pony that the league finally solved.

No different than an 80's power hitter like Incalviglia.

[underdog]

Didn't he have a wrist injury last year that most agreed was fairly tough on hitters ?

Plus he's probably not on steroids because he never played for Joe Torre like Manny, Rodriguez, Giambi, Shefield, Petite and Clemens.

Wrist injuries are usually the prime culprit when a skilled power hitter suddenly falls off. I honestly don't remember if Papi did or not.

I also don't care if he juiced or not.

He had a torn tendon in his wrist.

[TheMojoPin]

He had a torn tendon in his wrist.

Well there you go.

[Pestz4Evah]

Manny's testosterone was 4X the average male.

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There wasn't a trace of HCG in his system.

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His original defense was DHEA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydroepiandrosterone) (not banned) caused the spike, but DHEA doesn't raise your testosterone 4X.

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He was on the roids. (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-hgc15-2009may15,0,5088726.story)